compared to like group ability
#protection
undone jacinth
lost oracle
true uvu
uneven mason
TBH Venthyr's soulbind/conduits are stronger than Kyrian or NF so it somewhat balances out, but will be less overall DPS in M+
heavy sail
That’s what I said just with more words
modern brook
yeah but kleia's thicc
uneven mason
and a man
modern brook
a dumptrucks a dumptruck bro
uneven mason
I mean, whatever floats your boat
modern brook
doesnt matter
undone jacinth
niya is as good as anything from anyone else
heavy sail
Dolphin is right about them being fairly inconsequential though.
undone jacinth
she’s broken
uneven mason
besides necrolord
ocean bloom
its funny how they destroyed banner yet kept PI the way it is lol
uneven mason
ACtually in a vaccume necrolord soulbnd/conduit that gives you like 30s of 27% increased str
is fairly pumper
undone jacinth
don’t think it gives that much str
uneven mason
mmhmm
Lead by example is 5% + 2% Per ally (up to 4) so 13%, then Veteran's Repute (the necrolord conduit) at 200ilvl is 14% str
The 13% is for 30s, the 14% is while banner is down so 20seconds of 27% and 30seconds of 13%
its still a ton of str.
stack it with a pot, that is a lot of atk
and armor
modern brook
or u could huck stick
uneven mason
but like I said, the rest of it sucks, and the 3min CD sucks
heavy sail
Especially when by comparison you have spear on almost every pull
uneven mason
yup
thats what "in a vacuum" means 😄
if you don't consider anything else - this thing is great!
modern brook
confirmed better than nothing
woven trellis
should i consider dying purposedly every 8 min with heart of alar trinket to maximize dps
simple mural
My work bought me a birthday cake. 😀
amber herald
big
strong forum
should i consider dying purposedly every 8 min with heart of alar trinket to max...
The trinket resets on actual death, so make sure to Die every pack twice
woven trellis
The trinket resets on actual death, so make sure to Die every pack twice
the best tips are definitely on Skyhold
strong forum
My work bought me a birthday cake. 😀
Big
modern brook
My work bought me a birthday cake. 😀
hbd!
strong forum
The game tells me to start kiting when it says "release spirit" on my screen
amber herald
entirely the healers fault if you're seeing that
lost oracle
i dont know when to kite, but when my guildies start screaming at me for not moving i think thats a good moment (?
simple mural
With my guild group I can just plant my feet and tank. With pugs even when I don’t need to kite I have healers yelling at me to kite for no reason.
chilly brook
TBH Venthyr's soulbind/conduits are stronger than Kyrian or NF so it somewhat ba...
I'm no longer a winter queen simp
merry bronze
Hello all 🙂 could somebody confirm for me if i've understood this correctly? Ignore Pain can stack to two times on-cast. Meaning if i had 80 rage, i could add my IP twice, and get a 2x absorb, then i'd have to wait for it to run out or be drained before adding it again, otherwise it would be a waste of rage?
merry bronze
Thank you ! 😉
chilly brook
Run to General's arms have we Griff?
I have un/fortunately depending on how you look at it
uneven mason
although, if you're actively tanking the chances of going 3 of IPs ICD without going far enough below cap that the 3rd one wouldn't be fully applied is unlikely.
Eh, I mean pumping is pumping griff
I only went NF because I was trapping myself on prog with too many condemns
undone jacinth
Lead by example is 5% + 2% Per ally (up to 4) so 13%, then Veteran's Repute (the...
isn’t every tank running heirmir?
uneven mason
and rage starving myself.
chilly brook
It's more because if I keep playing the warrior it'll be in a dps role with offspec tank
Cuz I pumped as NF prot
uneven mason
🤮
my biggest issue with being Venthyr as prot was there isn't really any potency conduits
"oooo revenge increases my TC damage"
chilly brook
Just ashen Bruv
uneven mason
(really my DPS are flipperhands and need the attention from the healers more than me)
considering going necrolord for a week to bulldoze the story
then swapping back to Kyrian that Monday/tuesday
chilly brook
That's a meme
uneven mason
I've done it 3x already
chilly brook
But not a meme worth it
strong forum
If I have to invest more than 2hrs to get up to speed it ain't worth it
And the grind is more like 6hrs+++
modern brook
It gets longer every week too
chilly brook
Some stories aren't as bad
strong forum
Like you need to commit a full weekend to catch up on a different covenant, I CB fucking A that
chilly brook
The NF one is pretty easy and fast tbh
strong forum
If you don't wanna power grind 1 session
chilly brook
Kyrian I wanna kms because of all the bs
sick sentinel
Does the Triple leap leggo have value in the current tank kite meta?
strong forum
No
chilly brook
Lol
sick sentinel
I love how fucking fast that no was
undone jacinth
see I told you
sick sentinel
like he answers that question 8 times a day
strong forum
Is going on
chilly brook
What does 3 leaps get you that 1 doesnt?
modern brook
What does 3 leaps get you that 1 doesnt?
2 leaps
undone jacinth
Sway tell us
sick sentinel
Mythic keys involve alot of kiting
modern brook
lol
sick sentinel
modern brook
KSM btw
chilly brook
Mythic keys involve alot of kiting
I guess if you're bad ya
undone jacinth
I knew it!”
sick sentinel
lmao
undone jacinth
there’s a YouTube video
undone jacinth
called it
strong forum
No, leaper is very bad for m+
You get 0 value out of it
Because you will not be able to use more than 1 charge without dropping aggro 24/7
You will die more often than you will leap because you will have less rage gen and defensive uptime
So it's a dps and survival loss
modern brook
there isnt a single part of this prot war section thats agreeable yet
strong forum
Let's see this bs
modern brook
it just sounds like a guy
who has never played prot warrior
talking about prot warrior
chilly brook
"Pity mention"
modern brook
after reading the spells
chilly brook
Imagine thinking shield wall is 4 minutes
undone jacinth
to be fair nobody is playing it
modern brook
no mention of demo shout
chilly brook
modern brook
"we had avatar as a defensive casue it let us spam ip in bfa"
undone jacinth
can’t expect him to be one of the 20 Prot players haha
so I guess because he says you charge in and leap out
people think that’s what you actually do
chilly brook
Avatar as a defensive smh lmao
patent osprey
i feel like... this video is def not made with prot warrior input
undone jacinth
avatar was a defensive in BFA tbh
patent osprey
I never really complain about my defensives much
undone jacinth
but it was just everything
modern brook
avatar was a defensive in BFA tbh
yeah not cause it let us spam ip though
undone jacinth
well tru
chilly brook
It was just big mastery
strong forum
Hes wrong even on the kiting part
modern brook
ip hasnt been good since legion
chilly brook
Which was just an all around buff
strong forum
You didn't even kite in bfa ever
ionic fern
Is there another juicy video?
chilly brook
Dps and defensive in terms of crit block
uneven mason
Where do people pick up on this shit
From me, when people ask why prot is so bad in M+ I say "Because no one runs Leaper, it lets you run away like VDH"
I guess its been spreading
strong forum
Fuck me
undone jacinth
he also hides the key level on the weak aura in the background video
modern brook
ban ikari 😠
patent osprey
I guess its been spreading
one day ill have enough ash to make leaper 😉 and ill just run it baseline for ya
strong forum
Good
strong forum
You're already making people reroll venthyr
Dividing the weak from the strong
Weeding them out
undone jacinth
if I main my warr and get in to top 10 with necrolord leaper
strong forum
Now he's gonna make people run leaper
undone jacinth
how many people will I influence
strong forum
Hooo the memes
patent osprey
if I main my warr and get in to top 10 with necrolord leaper
if you do that , i will bow out and just refer to you as rank 1
strong forum
Pls don't. People will start actually thinking that
undone jacinth
sheeeet
strong forum
That it's good
undone jacinth
ok I have a goal that will allow me to quit raiding
modern brook
@undone jacinth bro do it
then when ppl come and ask "necro leaper good?"
you can go "no im just better than you"
undone jacinth
I wanted top 10 on night fae pala but maybe it’s time to dust off the warrior again
strong forum
As warri it should be fairly easy to get top 10
undone jacinth
not a massive player count for sure
also you could just do it all as kyrian wall then switch and log off and never log on again
strong forum
Yeah nobody is pushing
patent osprey
top 10 is all 18s
strong forum
1800 is already top 5
undone jacinth
oooh ok doable
strong forum
undone jacinth
alright this is realistic
strong forum
Very realistic
undone jacinth
gets up from bed
patent osprey
I like how people come to skyhold discord to get advice to play better, and what it actually is, is a trollfest on how to spread misinformation the best
undone jacinth
hahaha
patent osprey
I actaully want Seismic
like so bad...
do i make that instead of TL?
i want to just blast
strong forum
Well yeah
Having it nerfed from 100 to 30% bonus dmg
Kinda omega rough
But imagine for a second
Imagine they didn't nerf dragon roar....
We'd be actually so busted
Uncapped big dick aoe every 30(35?) seconds
ionic fern
That would have been fun jeah
uneven mason
Uncapped big dick aoe every 30(35?) seconds
Imagine if they didn't nerf thunderclap
chilly brook
We'd be actually so busted
More like we'd be in line lmao
chilly brook
Lmao hold up
uneven mason
bring back 8.0 TC
uneven mason
"Missing the point"
undone jacinth
no
strong forum
How much, I cba to check
chilly brook
105
chilly brook
uneven mason
lol OH boy, now I get twice as much NOTHING
ionic fern
😂
undone jacinth
and I guess you get the same anima in normal as you do mythic
and the same in a 10 as you do in a 20
that'll solve it blizzard
gj
uneven mason
Golly getting that thing that does less than nothing for my characters progression really makes getting no loot feel rewarding
undone jacinth
right as we hit 30 renown and unlocked all the first tree traits anyway
so anima has literally no value
ionic fern
Just casually sitting on 11k Anima cause there's nothing to do with it.
patent osprey
Hey man, don't knock my anima gains. That buff is actually nice 🙂
ionic fern
Give me more.
patent osprey
i can finally afford things in my sanctum if i get 3x
undone jacinth
man I was really thinking currency addition to m+ or something...
modern brook
honestly its nice to be able to clear the raid and not have to do world content still for a weekly
uneven mason
man I was really thinking currency addition to m+ or something...
this.
undone jacinth
thats true but the weekly no longer has a value
unless you need to unlock third tree maybe
modern brook
it will for u :^)
modern brook
lol
chilly brook
honestly its nice to be able to clear the raid and not have to do world content ...
Facts
modern brook
LOL why is it in comic sans wtf
undone jacinth
bruh thats action man font
ionic fern
Asking the real questions
modern brook
is the action failing a 7th grade power point project?
chilly brook
undone jacinth
lol
I rigged the system
I just deposited all my anima items
in to necrolord fountain
came prepared
ionic fern
What are you trying to do?
modern brook
What are you trying to do?
make our lives harder
ionic fern
? 👀
modern brook
he watns to get top 10 war w/ leaper necrolord
undone jacinth
its now my life goal to get top 10 on necrolord leaper prot war
for at least 1 week
then I will be back on pala train probably
sick sentinel
If im new to the spec, is it cringe to run the wall in M+? or should I stay with thunderlord
ionic fern
It's fine
undone jacinth
ionic fern
Some people prefer The Wall.
undone jacinth
feels good man
ionic fern
So you'll do great.
sick sentinel
ty. Im a warrior dps that cant get into anything lol
fury is so good what is wrong with people
patent osprey
Dont worry. I sign up to 15 keys all the time as fury for fun
and i dont get in either
LOL
undone jacinth
social stigma 😦
undone jacinth
lmao theres like 15 people in the necrolord hall... they are literally ALL shamans or DKs
rancid ember
Lately I been getting pumper fury warriors. As long my the group can fit them I take them
sick sentinel
fury is fantastic for M+. cleaving condemn to 5 targets.
undone jacinth
they do good damage just a bit lacking in utility thats all
sick sentinel
ye
I wish I had more tbh. I alted a mage and it felt like those old mech games with the $500 controller with pedals and 3 joysticks
"sheep, rewind time, immune, cleanse, massive damage and bloodlust." lol warrior goes brrrrr tho.
modern brook
not as brrr as pressing flame strike 12 times in a row :/
sick sentinel
sad brrr
modern brook
T-T
rancid ember
undone jacinth
I wish I had more tbh. I alted a mage and it felt like those old mech games with...
rofl
good description
when do those anima changes go in?
modern brook
LOL
chilly brook
modern brook
undone jacinth
my spirit will not be dampened
just got the banner conduit off the world boss, we're off to a good start
undone jacinth
yea
modern brook
actually nuts
the stars are alligning for this
I only just got the at on my rogue after 13 weeks
modern brook
Well now its 1.4x of a really bad pillar of frost
undone jacinth
well when you put it like that
things are looking up
oh god im gonna have to also do the meme from that guys forum post with merciless bonegrinder
patent osprey
gods speed @undone jacinth
undone jacinth
thank you boss
undone jacinth
first key incoming
smoky saffron
Which soulbind is estimated to be best at the end for prot is it still Pelagos?
chilly brook
Pepegos is the play
smoky saffron
well then i hope in the future they add new pot conduits for prot cause ours are dogshit
uneven mason
ah that reminds me I never got to try out mikanikos
LIterally the anti warrior soulbind
"Yo I heard you liked stuff being knocked out of melee range so we gave you 3 ways to do it randomly with this little Swolkin"
uneven mason
really is like a caster who likes PVP soulbind
undone jacinth
doesnt he have the stun every 45 seconds thing
undone jacinth
sounds good to me
putting the banner down before the key starts...
i'm so smart
chilly brook
I would have booted that boi if I saw a banner
errant oriole
so im acually confused with bolster and it being 2 minute cd on last stand.... i read it fills in the gap for shield block but how does it fill it in if last stands a 2 minute cd?
vestal moat
Youll still have some gaps. Just less.
errant oriole
oh atm i am trying out heavy reprecussions and it seems to close the gap even further? maybe im a weird player
uneven mason
Last Stand without Bolster = "Hey I have 30% More health, but I'm taking 38% more damage, this is good right?"
errant oriole
ah ok
chilly brook
so im acually confused with bolster and it being 2 minute cd on last stand.... i...
Gives you a very large uptime of shield block like 30 seconds or more
And it allows your shield block charges to recharge as well
Which means more shield block uptime
errant oriole
so just keep stacking SB while last stand is going is from what im gathering from this?
chilly brook
Heavy Repurcussions is extremely RNG dependent and theres no guarantee that said RNG actually happens during your shield block windows anyways
Hence why it's just worse
At least keep one charge on CD while last stand is up
vestal moat
You want to use at least 1 SB during LS to put it on CD
Whether you use both charges is situational dependent.
uneven mason
yarp
modern brook
too many matts 😠
and not really
its not that its bad
its that Devestator is just better in every situation
modern brook
40yds
sick sentinel
yike
modern brook
hmmm might be 30
sick sentinel
Honestly I see alot of people saying "white damage is the scariest shit in m+ for tanks, save a few abilities, ie the bleed in SD"
Do yall forsee prot warriors hopping back into big meta?
sturdy trench
if they fix signet
sick sentinel
I mean critical blocks were really nice in BFA
sturdy trench
warr will be the meta
chilly brook
Big doubt
sick sentinel
How so?
timber lagoon
There's still a lot of magic damage in SL
sturdy trench
if signet procs ravager instead of BS = a lot more dmg and rage regen
chilly brook
We'd still be woefully behind in damage lmao
sturdy trench
theres alot of legendaries that havent been looked in for prots
sturdy trench
like no1 talks about Reprisal
chilly brook
If damage was the only thing that mattered prot pally would be top
sturdy trench
or siesmis reverberation
chilly brook
Lol
Bruh
We've used them
Seismic is a good meme with BSC
But it got nerfed pretty hard
sturdy trench
200% revenge tho
uneven mason
a single revenge.
chilly brook
Uhhh
modern brook
not even close
sick sentinel
Honestly if your talking about just getting your 15's in, damage isnt as big of a topic as pushing above 15
uneven mason
tank damage anyway
sick sentinel
ye
uneven mason
If your DPS is still a pack of howler monkies sniffing eachothers ass you're going to not time that key
But all in all, Protections DPS could go up a bit
chilly brook
No single legendary is going to fix this
uneven mason
I Hate having to pump DPS to hold aggro off of my paladin co tank, who is "taking it easy"
sick sentinel
lol true, but the reality is dh and pally tank damage is out of control. lol
chilly brook
uneven mason
yes
chilly brook
Like
sick sentinel
I would love to be brought up, but ill take "normalized"
distant iris
What was the nerf to TC?
chilly brook
Like I'm doing all I can and still he does 500dps more than me while playing defensive
grand drum
It used to do more than melee attacks
chilly brook
Thunderclap was cooler than revenge change my mind
mighty valley
i'm always above my paladin cotank, living the venthyr life
sick sentinel
ThAnK gOD rErOLliNg iS eAsY
chilly brook
If you're above your paladin cotank hes not good
uneven mason
So in 8.0 it was 300% of attack power in dmg
and UF doubled its damage and halved its CD
its now, 42% AP in damage (about the same as an auto attack)
and is scaled at 5 targets
it trucked
modern brook
the glory days
sick sentinel
I dont understand why they dont take the Azerite trait combo and just make it a leggo. Most people really liked that version of warrior
modern brook
👢 🍵 👏 -> 🥿 🧋 🎬
sick sentinel
Avatar procs and tc dmg
uneven mason
What was the nerf to TC?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xLPT3MBGtAfpH2Db#fight=41&type=damage-done
This is what TC used to do.
undone jacinth
it would address at least some of prot issues too
modern brook
smh zul
uneven mason
shut your mouth
modern brook
lol
uneven mason
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xLPT3MBGtAfpH2Db#fight=27&type=damage-done&source=35
fine, fetid, mostly ST TC is top damage
sick sentinel
that log has 2 tanks. The dps literally swapped to prot
uneven mason
TC used to slap, and slap like a truck swinging a truck
uneven mason
You 3 tanked Zul on mythic didn't ya 😛
trim condor
Hi all, I am new to the protect, what Is safest bet fór mythic + pug leggo, both wall And booming voice seems similiar
sturdy trench
so here comes the math Elysian decree on my 220 venge dh =7.5k dmg (x1.33 if u run conduit = 10k) /min
Reprisal dmg revenge(normal) = 1.3k x 1.5(from parry ) x 1.2 (from avatar) x3 (from reprisal)= 7k /30sec or 14k/min
sick sentinel
did you? Zul slaughtered my processor so I never saw it on myhthic.
uneven mason
TW for raw defensive value and raid value
uneven mason
did you? Zul slaughtered my processor so I never saw it on myhthic.
yeah, prot basically held adds
sturdy trench
so either i cant do math or u guys are crybabys that only complain
modern brook
Hi all, I am new to the protect, what Is safest bet fór mythic + pug leggo, both...
Wall or THunderlords are basically equivalent take whichever you prefer. if you intend to raid, wall wins out, generally
sick sentinel
so either i cant do math or u guys are crybabys that only complain
complaining is easier than math
modern brook
so either i cant do math or u guys are crybabys that only complain
you cant do math
sturdy trench
you cant do math
plz then correct my math and provide evidence
uneven mason
so here comes the math Elysian decree on my 220 venge dh =7.5k dmg (x1.33 if u r...
now reduce the revenge damage by 67%
because thats what boss armor is
high M+ uses high K values for mobarmor
modern brook
50% multiplier from parry also only comes up i think 2rppm?
uneven mason
I mean we're talking bout spell damage vs physical damage, one is mitigated the other is not
grand drum
3rppm
modern brook
i was close
sturdy trench
50% multiplier from parry also only comes up i think 2rppm?
no mob has 67% physical mitigation
uneven mason
we're also talking about osmething that cna be done at range vs something you have to face tank to do
sturdy trench
where do u get those numbers from
67% means that my warrior would do 2k dps as arms in raids
uneven mason
By checking AP calculations on my attacks vs what I actually hit the mob for
sturdy trench
By checking AP calculations on my attacks vs what I actually hit the mob for
PROOF then
i can believe 20%
thats it
undone jacinth
your math assumes you get the intervene off every cd, don't lose any damage by moving to intervene and then also you somehow have avatar up permanently
sturdy trench
which still makes it comparable
u can have avatar up on every pull with anger management
undone jacinth
but u took a limited widnow and did it over a minute
sturdy trench
the assumption is reprisal can do a lot of dmg not if its practical
undone jacinth
u wont get it again
sturdy trench
or not
undone jacinth
int he minute
...
u wont get the same damage in the first 30 seconds as u will in the 2nd 30 seconds
grand drum
In what level of key can you get away with that leggo AM and BSC
undone jacinth
vdh doesnt have the same restriction
grand drum
Probably a 10 or lower
undone jacinth
so ur average over 1min makes no sense
and the way u are achieving this high damage is by losing all of your other damage
another thing vdh isnt doing
sturdy trench
only giveaway is the leggo
undone jacinth
and you need to find a way for ur teammate to have an attack you can intercept
sturdy trench
the revenge talent is doing a lot of dmg alrdy
undone jacinth
every time
sturdy trench
a dh can taunt under intervene
or a monk
or a druid
or another tank tanking in raid
undone jacinth
sorry what are u trying to prove here
modern brook
Revenge is also capped
undone jacinth
ur math doesnt add up and the scenario is non existant..
sturdy trench
i mean when people come and think they know everything when this clearly makes sense
anws
im off
undone jacinth
yea thats what I thought
lavish oracle
Wait, what was the argument here?
undone jacinth
that reprisal does damage or something idk
undone jacinth
get in here
lavish oracle
That warrior does more damage than DH or something?
undone jacinth
reprisal does more damage than elysian decree seems to be the argument
modern brook
i want to fight too
thanks for actually logging dungeons btw
its nice not to have to learn mandarin
undone jacinth
which of course in real life it is not
lavish oracle
Is this the fabled VDH downplayer?
undone jacinth
I mean hes also talking about running best served cold and reprisal
I dont think running AM is the biggest offender
lavish oracle
And BSC, and a legendary with no defensive value
sturdy trench
its not like u need The wall/thunderlord to tank
chilly brook
Far more than 1%
chilly brook
5 rage per shield slam is pretty big for overall revenge casts
verbal cedar
My raid lead asked me to reroll from Blood DK to Prot Warrior. I've never played warrior and while it has been serviceable in Heroic CN I am struggling to wrap my head around the playstyle. I am trying to maximize uptime on shield block but still do dps which puts me in rage starvation from time to time. I figure this might be a gear thing needing more haste (12%). I also find with really long cooldowns on the defensive I get caught out with nothing or a single shield block or single ignore pain. Could someone help this BDK understand Port War a bit more.
undone jacinth
from the log we went over earlier you would get 100 revenges in an average key
lavish oracle
Being able to face tank a pull you'd have to kite because you ran out of defensives is a big DPS increase, turns out
undone jacinth
from wall
mighty valley
My raid lead asked me to reroll from Blood DK to Prot Warrior. I've never played...
why does your lead want you to switch?
verbal cedar
for shout as we don't have a warrior elsewhere
modern brook
My raid lead asked me to reroll from Blood DK to Prot Warrior. I've never played...
most of prot warrior is cycling your CDs as apart of your mitigation. witohut logs its hard to give real specific advice
vestal moat
Probably some battle shout shenanigans so they dont have to bring a dps warrior
modern brook
But if you check the pins theres a list of abiltiies that are blockable/reflectable
90% of the time if its marked as yes for blockable, thats honestly all you'll need up for it.
verbal cedar
i can post logs. they are bad. we aren't some ultra competitive guild so please keep that in mind
modern brook
Cycling in LSw/ bolster to maintain uptime, SW for large hits you can otherwise mitigate and rotationally using Demo shout
uneven mason
Probably some battle shout shenanigans so they dont have to bring a dps warrior
BDK gets trucked pretty bad in HC
lavish oracle
I think BDK is fine in raid
verbal cedar
feel free to pick any fight you think is helpful https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/tichondrius/binary
keep in mind i went from boosted 50 to tanking heroic progression in 2 weeks or so
so there is a lot i dont' know
undone jacinth
what fight are you struggling with
chilly brook
its not like u need The wall/thunderlord to tank
I think the biggest thing that you're forgetting is that rn your tank damage doesnt even really matter, what does is having more defensive options to support the fire mage in your group so they can carry the key
verbal cedar
i feel like i'm constantly getting caught without enough rage and then i die because healers are busy elsewhere.
uneven mason
ehhh
verbal cedar
i don't feel confident that i can overcome gaps like that as i do on my BDK
modern brook
feel free to pick any fight you think is helpful https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ch...
Unstoppable force is wrong take itf instead
mighty valley
feel free to pick any fight you think is helpful https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ch...
have you got a legendary yet? you mentioned long defensive cooldowns, but with The Wall and AM your Shield Wall cooldown can get really really low
uneven mason
Protection is 100% preemptive in our tanking
you have to prepare for gaps
and shore up before that
chilly brook
i don't feel confident that i can overcome gaps like that as i do on my BDK
Should be fine
I literally dont play defensive in mythic even
verbal cedar
i need a lot of things
uneven mason
184 on HC
thats a struggle
I mean, I had a 197 and I was having to pump hard to hold offa my OT
when I started HC
I can't imagine, do yourself a favor and grind out some conquest this weekend
or even honor
a 197 or 200 weapon would go a long way
verbal cedar
i have almost enough honor now i started that yesterday
uneven mason
could also push keys hard
mighty valley
I kinda get the battle shout thing, but god, for a non-hardcore guild swapping out a geared tank for a not-geared one that you have to learn from the ground up does not sound efficient lol
undone jacinth
your casts look fine for the most part @verbal cedar ... if you're having rage issues, a bit less revenges and a bit more claps to fish for SS resets
your gear will be the main blocker
modern brook
@verbal cedar you're doing the thing that i think everyone does when they run the wall
undone jacinth
your SS casts are a bit low but that may be gear related also
uneven mason
but yeah atm I see that weapon as being a prime problem, bigger weapon upgrade would put you toward spending more rage on IP
and less on revenge
modern brook
where you're running wall, AM, stalwart gaurdian, and still used shieldwall twice
undone jacinth
overall just try to always be SS reset fishing and casting block as often as possible
chilly brook
where you're running wall, AM, stalwart gaurdian, and still used shieldwall twic...
Guilty of using it only 3x on hungering
uneven mason
Guilty of using it only 3x on hungering
I think I hit it once
mighty valley
only delay for big damage you know is right around the corner
verbal cedar
yeah i was treating shield wall like i tread icebound
modern brook
i said it when everyone was excited about the 1 min CD
ppl go entire raids nights without pressing SW
chilly brook
But I also was using it for specific times on hungering
uneven mason
Because in HC I have block up for every overwhelm and it does 0 through double IP + SB
worn tapir
Hi, is versatility that important for tanks?
I have read that ilvl is more important that stats for prot war but idk
mighty valley
ilvl is king, haste is usually best stat
chilly brook
Well
uneven mason
Hi, is versatility that important for tanks?
I have read that ilvl is more impo...
NO (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
verbal cedar
thank you all very much for the feedback everyone
uneven mason
No vers
chilly brook
Hi, is versatility that important for tanks?
I have read that ilvl is more impo...
Where did you read this?
uneven mason
bad vers meme
uneven mason
ilvl > all
worn tapir
wowhead an icy
worn tapir
ilvl > all
and here
lavish oracle
chilly brook
So
modern brook
@ionic fern really made a cheat sheet that no one reads and didnt even include ilvl >all smh
chilly brook
IV
modern brook
probably
chilly brook
Which is maintained by our theorycrafter here, and the discord pins and #guidespoint to ilvl over secondary stats
mellow patio
I fuckin love that the vers meme still lives
chilly brook
So why would it not be true?
lavish oracle
@uneven mason in my experience it's PvPers, lol
PvPers are always shocked that not literally everyone is stacking vers
chilly brook
And because they get 40% extra
verbal cedar
pvpers and the whole "m+ high keys means maxing vert" so it must work for normal right?
modern brook
PVE ppl think verse is good cause you needed it to run 27s
lavish oracle
Well, yeah, I know why they stack it in PVP
modern brook
and 90% of people think "reviewing logs" is clicking 1 and copying the summary portion
chilly brook
Pve people thought you needed it for 10s
mighty valley
i like every time someone comes in and says "isn't vers good" we all lose our entire minds
solemn magnet
It makes your dmg go up and dmg taken go down. Good stat
chilly brook
I mean vers is good
cunning parcel
Is into the fray better than Ravager in heroic CN with low haste
chilly brook
But ilvl is better
chilly brook
Is into the fray better than Ravager in heroic CN with low haste
It's better period in raid
modern brook
Is into the fray better than Ravager in heroic CN with low haste
ITf is better than ravager in heroic CN full stop.
cunning parcel
Even with a range heavy 10 man?
modern brook
is there more than 2 melee?
cunning parcel
So it only takes 2 allies to make it viable?
lavish oracle
Boss + cotank + you is 3 stacks
modern brook
^
lavish oracle
2 melee is 5
modern brook
Pets count
pog didnt know that
lavish oracle
They don't even strictly have to be melee, holy pallies are usually in range
cunning parcel
awesome thanks
uneven mason
<a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
I Kinda wish that was true.
lavish oracle
I dunno, BM seems fine
chilly brook
always thought they were holding a gun
Wadu hek
This looks nothing like a computer
modern brook
nice m4
chilly brook
lavish oracle
DPS is pretty well balanced on the whole, I think, no one is doing low enough damage that you just never in a million years bring them
modern brook
in raid sure
i think theres a very clear divide in "good" vs "bad" specs in raid, but im willing to concede that its just how nathria's set up with sucha huge emphasis on burst windows
uneven mason
Its very noticeable the gap between the specs that are overtuned and the ones that are undertuned
now if you have a group that is made up of the "middle pack" and then undertuned its not horribly noticeable
lavish oracle
Sure, but DPS is close enough and the damage checks are forgiving enough that you can clear it with most comps
uneven mason
That might be true now
modern brook
Sure, but DPS is close enough and the damage checks are forgiving enough that yo...
yeah hard agree
uneven mason
but at the start of the Xpac if you had a comp that was made up of specs below the average mark in rankings
you literally would not kill most bosses in CN
they added so little damage at peak performance you would hit enrages (or just wipe mechanics)
lavish oracle
Yeah, sure, I think the start of raid tiers is always kind of like that
uneven mason
not really
first time where you had your top 3 doing over double the dmg of your bottom 3
this is the worst the gap in performance has ever been for DPS
Its like they forgot they were removing a ton of borrowed power from a lot of specs and kept nerfing their baseline on top of it
lavish oracle
That doesn't sound right but I don't usually pay that much attention to dps rankings
real jewel
what order do i tank theathre in ?
undone jacinth
your choice based on what u wanna do for your route
I find zav -> gorechop -> necro boy best
real jewel
because of the pride
undone jacinth
yea
patent osprey
well u wanna do necro boy
middle
or near start
cause u want to lust him
and last boss
solemn magnet
Xav > first gorechop room > kul > gorechop
patent osprey
the other 2 bosses dont have to have lust
mellow patio
We just pride gorechop
undone jacinth
but at a certain point necro boy just lasts too long for healer mana I guess
mighty valley
another option is half first room of gorechop wing -> all of kul -> other half of gorechop room -> xav -> gorechop, lines up lusts and prides pretty well
undone jacinth
I get pride on every boss apart from last with just 1 invis skip
twilit siren
For M+ only, is better to go from 11% vers to 15% with a ring and downscale the haste from 24 to 20?
rancid ember
What invis skip are you using that you're not setting up lust on last boss? lol
mighty valley
For M+ only, is better to go from 11% vers to 15% with a ring and downscale the ...
can you just link the two ring options? the numbers scramble my brain
twilit siren
sure 1 sec
uneven mason
For M+ only, is better to go from 11% vers to 15% with a ring and downscale the ...
go with the higher ilvl
undone jacinth
What invis skip are you using that you're not setting up lust on last boss? lol
wdym
we are lusting last boss
uneven mason
most paths have Gorechop to be the last of the wings iirc
vague jetty
I get prid on other two bosses, and pride on the 2 pack right before gore
uneven mason
I get prid on other two bosses, and pride on the 2 pack right before gore
I invis skip the gasbags on the stairs down to gorechop, so prideful triggers at his door
vague jetty
This week I prefer having first prid on the guardian, magus, soulbinder pack that is inspired
That guardian kinda pumps
vague jetty
I can just skip the pack before gorechop as well and get triple pride boss
undone jacinth
that is better imo
uneven mason
😄
IDK my groups always have a harder time with GOre than with the Empress
I have no idea why
timber lagoon
Chains are hard
uneven mason
I no
mighty valley
i'd rather have lust on gore than mordretha too... might be different if i was pugging
uneven mason
its almost like thye wait for them to start moving before they start moving
undone jacinth
its just a really long fight
with constant mechanics
thats why I pride and lust it
mighty valley
yeah it's just a drain
mighty valley
it is satisfying to lust mordretha, she really melts and all her mechanics timings fall apart lol
but doesn't feel necessary
undone jacinth
yea I really would like to not pride or lust her
but ppl get scared
so I keep lust
uneven mason
dodging ghost things is hard
mighty valley
also helps that we just get to ignore her tankbuster
uneven mason
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
rancid ember
wdym
Where are u using an invis potion, that isn't skipping the very 1st pack at all in this dungeon?
undone jacinth
at the beginning of gorechop wing
or you can use it later in gorechop wing
but I do beginning
mighty valley
haven't seen anyone do the skip at the start for weeks, i guess people got less scared of mordretha
rancid ember
Only time it's worth doing is Tyrannical and still debatable cause usually that means no Pride for Xav and it feelsbad
undone jacinth
yea I don't skip that ever
its also just because pride doesnt help you on mordretha for anything other than timer
because you're using it >50%
and you get pretty much the same timer gain elsewhere or more
rancid ember
Sure it does. you kill her 30% faster and possibly avoid another wave of ghosts.
Most Pug groups in a 15 aren't killing the boss in the minute of Pride+Lust
(on tyrannical)
undone jacinth
ghosts don’t matter pre 50
and the timings of the fight are pretty unpredictable afaik unless you push at same time all the time
faster isn’t necessarily better for timers
rancid ember
not 100% on timers, but spells seem to be same below 50% when she effectively 'resets' for p2
undone jacinth
there’s debate on it but either way you’re not killing her in a minute unless you are on a tragic key
so most if not all the pride will be lost for the dangerous phase
rancid ember
what lvl keys are you running regularly Dolphin?
undone jacinth
I do all different levels across my chars
rancid ember
lol what an answer ^^
undone jacinth
depends what I feel like
7-20
that help?
right now I’m struggling a bit with my necro warrior lol
rancid ember
I find that unlikely based on your comments in this channel but IDK 🤷♂️ maybe you're a god.
undone jacinth
oh please tell me which comments you’re referring to
solid tinsel
Hi, for PVE should I go with al'ar broken heart ? Or is the explosive bad for allies ?
undone jacinth
you sound like you’ve got good insight
rancid ember
I'm good. You seem to like this sort of thing. You do you mate.
undone jacinth
that’s what I thought
try to talk shit -> try to take a dig for not being afraid of confrontation
👍
uneven mason
Hi, for PVE should I go with al'ar broken heart ? Or is the explosive bad for al...
Haven't had it kill anyone yet.
been using a 213 alar for a while
uneven mason
yeah, putting it in perspective, the explosion from it triggering is less than a DPS will get punched for in the GCD it takes for you to be battle ressed.
since a DPS with a boss onthem is basically going to be 1 shot
solid tinsel
Thank you, I will go for it then
mighty valley
The radius is small too, they have to be pretty close to you to even get hit
neat dirge
@ionic fern hey man, can i ask u something
or any1 infact that knows
what does this glow mean?
rancid ember
Should mean they're the target of a spell and incoming damage. Maybe Chain Slam in this instance?
neat dirge
@rancid ember ty
rancid ember
np gl!
Did anyone watch Nerftank's stream last night and see this 24 PF Run? They're under by 5 mins
Seems crazy
strong forum
PF is very plague borer abusive
It's an almost entirely ST dungeon
Where you blow up the most dangerous parts with other mobs
lofty widget
has anyone experienced any bugs on first boss in halls?
rancid ember
Yeah I figured it had to be plague borer's but they must've been really abusing them here lol
lofty widget
getting hit by the beams even though you dodge
amber herald
taunting triggers it I believe
lofty widget
does it have something to do wit aggro
strong forum
Yeah I figured it had to be plague borer's but they must've been really abusing ...
Well you abuse plague borers on like 40 - 50% of trash
lofty widget
our priest pulled two gargoyles onto boss and got aggro when they flew away
then we died :YEP:
strong forum
You have prides for every boss
So you have to deal with maybe 8 mob packs total without borers
Mainly you just have to play safe and be able to kill the bosses and pf is timed imo
tardy parcel
has anyone experienced any bugs on first boss in halls?
Your exact scenario happened to my group two days ago. Thing had like 30% hp left, starts the lasers, we are all quite clear of them, then everyone instantly died
strong forum
Pf timer is very lenient
rancid ember
Yeah PF isn't bad timer is good, but didn't think a 24 would be slammed like that. Are you able to abuse Plagueborer's from the mini-boss without aggroing him to clear 2nd boss trash?
strong forum
Not rly
You can blow up 2 packs with 1 borer if you're fast
After killing the miniboss
But you don't skip killing him to abuse more borers, not worth it or possible
For example, the group that did WF PF 23, +2d a 22 PF just before that
Plaguefall is basically the new Junkyard
Imo
rancid ember
Are the canisters = to Plagueborers do you know?
rancid ember
gotta update my route xd
old monolith
With Forgelite Prime getting the haste trait unlock will it be worth playing?
strong forum
The 2 potion options of mikanikos are quite bad and the general pathing for him is very weird
old monolith
So Pelagos always? Does Keia have anything worth while?
jagged pier
necro weeks shes good
tardy parcel
yeah i enjoy kleia for necro. 8 sec immunity to it after phial usage
strong forum
It's basically the same for every kyrian
Pelagos for everything
Kleia for necro week cuz 8sec immunity
old monolith
Just starting to play prot, hopefully its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be
strong forum
Mikan doesn't exist
tardy parcel
you'll be fine, people are dumb
solid granite
don't go with pugs - find some people that do m+ with you instead
old monolith
Unfortunately Pug life
I pug Keystone S4 as prot in bfa, hope I have time to grind it out
strong forum
It's rewarding if you play properly, but very punishing if you fuck up
old monolith
kk
So whats the major issues in Shadowlands? Lack of Damage, can't survive?
What should I concern myself about
strong forum
Lack of skilled players representing us
But our dmg is a bit behind others
We are amazing at facetanking if done properly with CDs / block up
You have to know when to kite and which pulls are dangerous
old monolith
I know the dogs in Halls, I'm going to pugging dungeons today. Trial by fire
solid granite
and people spamming revenge & than don't have enough rage for defensives
strong forum
We are fairly week against dots and frequent magic damage
Basically anything that can't be blocked / is reduced by armor is quite strenuous
If its infrequent, you can manage it with CDs, but any constant ticking dmg or constant magic dmg is our biggest weakness
chilly brook
Really the biggest problem is that we're weak to bad teammates
strong forum
Well that too
tardy parcel
we also don't have cool wings, which probably hurts our looks
strong forum
That's every tank tho
old monolith
So just keep deep wounds up for threat, save rest of rage for SB and IP?
strong forum
But yeah, even if you play perfectly, if your teams sucks, you die
No
You have to find a healthy middle ground to use revenge for dmg and IP for survival / rage dump
Revenge is our main dmg button
But overusing IP or Revenge is bad
You have to use both
You gotta get practice to know what to use when in which situation
There is no blanket answer
old monolith
Gotcha, well off to pug world. Wish me luck
strong forum
Don't try to do fancy shit, try to figure out what you can and can't do
And then go from there
Make sure to use your buttons on CD, don't hold them for longer than 10seconds unless a pack is literally about to die
Except shield wall / last stand, those you use as you need
acoustic stratus
how the hell do you deal with the hallway in SD
I dont have enough defensives for all of that crap
mystic ridge
If you have time hold Kaal before moving
mystic ridge
Or do you mean the bridge
solid granite
CC if you can, power thru and focus inspiring's if you can't
strong forum
Do pack by pack
Get healed 👍
Phase the boss before pulling the 2nd pack if you have to
valid zodiac
Venthyr for the lamp makes that stuff much easier. Also don't push forward if you can't.
mystic ridge
Yeah so you can take it pretty slow if you need, you can push Kaal and do the second pack without
strong forum
Yes
acoustic stratus
the tornadoes are so frustrating there
valid zodiac
They are frustrating everywhere
mystic ridge
The hall is pretty poorly designed imo and it is extremely frustrating, just don't rush it if you don't have to
solid granite
its fortified, nothing wrong with lusting & major cd'ing trash
acoustic stratus
yea i didnt have a choice but to rush, we were on the clock
unique shale
you make more mistake by rushing
Either rush and make mistake and lose time or take it relax
acoustic stratus
hindsight is 20/20
midnight jetty
Is the slimy consumptive organ any good?
chilly brook
No not really
midnight jetty
is there a source that gives a list of top offensive and defensive trinkets ?
unique shale
Marcellian put prot at A tier now for raid
meh
it just make deve to don't buff prot war
mighty valley
someone always has to be perceived as worst... we had it pretty good for most of BFA
and it's not like we can't do big keys
mystic ridge
Class power is relative
strong forum
Pwar was considered the worst raid tank all of bfa
People keep forgetting that.
They only look at m+, and then say pwar was OP and broken in bfa and they're glad it's nerfed, when it was literally declined for raiding left and right
unique shale
i never had problem as prot war in bfa for raid idk
mystic ridge
Tank is probably the least impactful choice in raiding, but at least pwar handles the boss slaps
strong forum
Yes
undone jacinth
thing is no tank has problems finding groups for content
because nobody plays tank
its just hard to find mythic raid spots and you are limited by the actual power level of your spec
unique shale
Tanking in sl = pain
strong forum
Only masochists actually play tank
Wow this entire sentence was auto predict from phone
I say this alot huh
unique shale
Only masochists actually play tank
lol you got me there
undone jacinth
the experience of doing it in a group is just so different to pugging
undone jacinth
pugging feels pretty torturous right now
in fact who am I kidding group keys are pretty miserable too
unique shale
ok
strong forum
Thx
undone jacinth
someone posted nudes?
strong forum
Na but this is a public forum