like Skirmishes
#protection
uneven mason
uneven mason
But right now if they did 1v1 arena
heavy sail
So there aren’t specs just permashut out of R1
uneven mason
Arms actually has a strong chance of killing whoever they're up against.
heavy sail
I feel like ret just destroys everything
uneven mason
gotta SR that 🔨
heavy sail
Except like a really good fire mage
uneven mason
as venthyr I loved watching a mage pump up their combustion and then hitting em with Door of shadows then if they broke that, intimidating shout
"aww no combustion pewpew?"
heavy sail
Tbh the more I think about it
What does fire mage even lose to
Assuming that it’s played optimally
heavy sail
WW with the tiger palm legendary is so fucking annoying
You can’t get them off you
Literally impossible
undone jacinth
pvp legos are a whole different world
undone jacinth
o.O
heavy sail
But it’s hard to not just die to combust
Does it work like that?
I know like nothing about shaman beyond the basics
vague jetty
You may have to purge 2 or 3 times
vague jetty
But without a healer with buffs on a mage it’s usually 2-3 global at most to get combust
They can also slot machine lava burst someone to death in like 4 seconds
uneven mason
yeah if elemental gets rolling they truck
uneven mason
I did some 2s with a Ele shm as arms and anytime they didn't get focused I Just had to pop survival CDs for like 6 seconds and then the ele just would explode the other team
double cast + overload lavabursts hurrrt when they're 100% crit
heavy sail
Ele is pretty dope I’ve pugged with a couple.
Something about people who play PVP elemental too
They’re always just good players in my experience
uneven mason
SO the people who are playing it have probably been playing it since TBC 😄
I did a 5x Elemental shaman arena team in TBC
was hilarious
the gates would open 5 ghost wolves pop out, all drop grounding totems, hit elemental mastery and then 5x Chainlighting destroy everyone on the other team.
worked until like 1800ish I wanna say
heavy sail
I have a resto druid at 60 and geared for TBC arenas if the servers transfer over
uneven mason
lol
undone jacinth
anyone got any warnings for DOS
inspired mobs
pls say theres not one in shadowcore pack
uneven mason
big dude I think
patent osprey
there is an inspired in the first and 2nd pack of dos
first one u dont relaly have to cc it, just nuke the pack and kite early
the 2nd one, i would advise just ccing it
mighty valley
Last pack before hakkar has an inspired priest too, maybe worth CCing and pulling away if your dps isn't huge
so you can interrupt hexer heal
or if you can blow it up, you can jar the rest
signal plover
A jarring strategy
mighty valley
it ignores inspiring? wild
undone jacinth
dungeon weapons ignore stuff
uneven mason
put the lid on that one
undone jacinth
ive opened a jar of worms
tardy parcel
iirc the second pack's inspiring mob is the raptor at the front of the pack, beyond that inspiring isn't too bad on dos
signal plover
I think hakkar would be ashamed that he left his door ajar
undone jacinth
iirc the second pack's inspiring mob is the raptor at the front of the pack, bey...
it was
luckily we just blasted it
tardy parcel
i'm proud of you, mr. devito
barren socket
is there any better way to deal with Millificent Buzz-Saw?
jsut did a 15 and the damage was insane
jesus
sweet summit
you can deflect one application with spell reflect
vague jetty
One stack or application
sweet summit
application of one stack
vague jetty
Yuuge
strong forum
and then just look at your healer
vague jetty
does anybody know the calculation for condemns shield compared to an IP cast
or rather condemn's prevention
sweet summit
The primary target is weakened, preventing up to [(0.6 * Attack power) * 2.0 * (1 + Versatility)] damage they would deal to you.
Fight through the pain, ignoring 50% of damage taken, up to [(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility)] total damage prevented
vague jetty
Does condemn prevent all damage, or at a x% per instance
undone jacinth
he means only from the mob you used it on I think
lol
3.3k overall in mists
at 190 ilvl
has got to be decent
not mists sorry, de other side
astral crystal
is there any better way to deal with Millificent Buzz-Saw?
kyrian pot removes it
just let her put all 8 stacks on you then clear with pot
vague jetty
Well that is one set lol
astral crystal
ya i do swall/pot/healer CD
strong forum
Pmuch this ye
And if you have LS up it's basically a def CD
So don't need to overlap shit there unless you're actually dying
astral crystal
shouldnt need CDs for millhouse
strong forum
Ya millhouse is ez
astral crystal
not people as far as im concerned
amber herald
dwarf furry is simply the best
chilly brook
I mean milly sucks in tyr
Not so much on fort
You can also spell reflect one application of the dot from her
fierce lantern
nf prot warriors let's goooo
chilly brook
Niya go brrrrrr
amber herald
wicked lantern
Niya go brrrrrr
Is this a A-10 reference when people say this?
vapid sage
When do you guys Demo Shout in dungeons? to cover gaps in Shield Block?
tardy oak
guys what ilvl is good to go tank mythic0?
woeful vine
When do you guys Demo Shout in dungeons? to cover gaps in Shield Block?
you want to demo shout whenever its off cd in packs or against bosses. especially if you have booming voice
amber herald
on cd, but might save it for a specific mechanic I know is coming
woeful vine
on cd, but might save it for a specific mechanic I know is coming
that too
its good practice to use it on CD until you're very familiar with how damage is about to hit you
vapid sage
gotcha
im still leveling and i find myself not really using my cds so trying to figure out when best to use em
amber herald
get used to popping them on cd so you get a feel for how long you need to wait between casts
vapid sage
like this Necrotic i did a moment ago i realized in hindsight i should probably shield wall that 4 caster pull right before the bridge with the 2 fear guys between 1st and 2nd boss
amber herald
it's better to think of it as when do I need to hold cds? rather than when to use them
that's how I learned anyway
woeful vine
if you have no melee in range you can use beserker rage to immune the fear when those guys cast
vapid sage
yeah i'll try to keep that in mind
woeful vine
and that will give you an extra interrupt on the casters
vapid sage
wait
amber herald
they're fun buttons
vapid sage
i know you can zerker out of fears
amber herald
so press em
woeful vine
press it before he gets the cast off and you're immune for its duration
outer solstice
Niya go brrrrrr
heck yeah
vapid sage
removes it
woeful vine
it can nullify it
unique shale
bur you can preempt them too?
And use SR even if there is not casters it will you 20% magic reduction normally
woeful vine
that too
vapid sage
Spell Reflect is about the only CD i use liberally af
ocean yoke
thats good
vapid sage
specifically for that 20%
woeful vine
the boss in DoS that you have to jump on portals
ocean yoke
it rocks
woeful vine
if you spell reflect when it tells everyone to go up, you don't have to go up, and you take no damage from his big cast
unique shale
specifically for that 20%
use it after 10 stacks of pride
amber herald
big warrior brain is shockwave caster mobs and then spell reflect so you catch all of them 
ocean yoke
you can also straight reflect the scythe on last theater of pain boss
does like 15-20k damage
woeful vine
yep
vapid sage
yeah utlilty/cds i use liverally are SR and Bolt/Shockwave
unique shale
big warrior brain is shockwave caster mobs and then spell reflect so you catch a...
it always get kick XD
vapid sage
i stun all the goddamn time
amber herald
it always get kick XD
very true 😔
woeful vine
lots of stuff they made SR good for this time around
vapid sage
its mainly Demo Shout, Wall, Last Stand and Commanding Shout idk how/when to use
woeful vine
if you're doing M+s a lot, you'll get a feel for it. you kind of roll each cd into each pack. use 1 or 2, even trinkets for a pack, then when you're getting to the next pack another 1 or 2 should be up
bolster gives you shield block for the duration of last stand
so 15 seconds of shield block is nice on melee fights
amber herald
demo and last stand on cd (with bolster)
woeful vine
^
amber herald
wall for when you're going to take a big boss hit or a nasty pack of adds
commanding shout when the dumb dumb dps pull aggro off you
woeful vine
lol the other warriors
grand drum
niyas burrs go burrrrrr
woeful vine
i'm still kyrian thinking of going venth
amber herald
they're all good
vapid sage
I see all the pvp warriors going kyrain cuz their like "but i can spear them and they eat my blade storm" meanwhile theres clips of Bajheera for example critting f or like 20k with AA
amber herald
I went NF primarily because I'm dwarf otherwise I'd have stayed kyrian for phial
unique shale
btw guys i looking to farm two trinket for my prot war which ones are good i still living on my darkmoon
vapid sage
I went NF primarily because I'm dwarf otherwise I'd have stayed kyrian for phial
Ahh, I'm Orc
amber herald
you can't really farm with the way loot works :/
just gotta do dungeons and hope and pray, but blood splatter scale is bis
unique shale
you can't really farm with the way loot works :/
amber herald
I mean NF is really good on it's own
dmg wise it beats kyrian (technically) just a bit harder to pull off
vapid sage
Yeah
NF is really good but i find theres people like one guildy i have that are like "nf bad kyrain best cuz spear godly"
woeful vine
play what you want to play
amber herald
nah kyrian is good but damage wise they're very comprable
woeful vine
leave them in the dust
unique shale
venthyr tank here 🙂
amber herald
venthyr also good
I'm always a little jealous of condemn, it feels really good to press
modern gale
Damage is one thing, but theres nothing better than spearing a group of mobs and then standing over in your safe place where nobody can hurt you anymore
unique shale
I'm always a little jealous of condemn, it feels really good to press
you gtg be more jealous after i unlock wasteland propriety
condemn = 6% versa ally 3%
amber herald
yeah but niya go brrr
unique shale
quiet nexus
Oh @patent osprey I seen you on the YouTube bro
I been having trouble holding aggro on my warrior. But I don't have the same issue on my bm monk
Any advice?
amber herald
revenge more
amber herald
open pulls with ravager
quiet nexus
Maybe it's the dps/ heal fault for jumping the gun before I can establish
amber herald
like before you've even charged in
unique shale
Maybe it's the dps/ heal fault for jumping the gun before I can establish
it is sometimes
quiet nexus
Some time is fine,
mighty valley
bully a hunter/rogue into redirecting aggro to you
amber herald
remember, it's always the dps's fault
quiet nexus
Like 65%of the time is fine
unique shale
i always have problem hold aggro with dh dps
amber herald
seriously though try pulling with ravager it'll make a big difference
mighty valley
if they blow all cooldowns when you don't have avatar, it's gonna be rough
unique shale
bully a hunter/rogue into redirecting aggro to you
lol never
i had hunter last week who wouldn't dare drop slow trap
quiet nexus
Yea I usually try to save either ravager or shock wave, or cov ability
I think prot war is most fun tho
Do you usually have to double up ignorepain and SB?
Or usually try to alternate for max up time
unique shale
Yea I usually try to save either ravager or shock wave, or cov ability
i do my opener like this sometimes avatar charge clap keep aggro all of time then drop ravager and kite
quiet nexus
And double for tank buster
amber herald
too much rage not spent no revenge
it's really situational but you can probably get a way with shield block only a lot more than you think
vapid sage
what talents yall run in dungeons? Like i said earlier i'm runnin 3/3/2/2/2/1/1 but you mentioned bolster so considering switching
amber herald
if you pump that rage into revenge you'll be good
vapid sage
im not really dying
quiet nexus
amber herald
bolster is how the spec will play at higher levels
unique shale
what talents yall run in dungeons? Like i said earlier i'm runnin 3/3/2/2/2/1/1 ...
bolster is good for pug but if you have good team stay on other ones
mighty valley
bolster is definitely the stronger defensive choice
vapid sage
gotcha
quiet nexus
If you are not dying you could even try the other talent for more dps and rage
For funzies
vapid sage
Repercussions?
quiet nexus
Yea
vapid sage
also is the revenge talent any good?
amber herald
last stand is also a dps cd, get the rage increase conduit
you don't have to spend rage on mitigation as much so you can spam revenge
unique shale
also is the revenge talent any good?
no always revenge in m+
vapid sage
last stand is also a dps cd, get the rage increase conduit
not quite 60, just hit 58 actually
amber herald
what content are you interested in?
vapid sage
probably mostly M+/PvP but not against extending to raids eventually
amber herald
Always revenge talent for m+??
never revenge talent for anything 😛
booming voice all the way
woeful vine
i prefer booming voice
quiet nexus
Yea I use BV
mighty valley
Booming Voice is the only talent on that row, a million percent
quiet nexus
I feel like I need that rage
woeful vine
bounding stride on fights like artificer
undone jacinth
did you mean ravager not revenge
trim condor
I just dinged 60 on my prot war, my main is DH tank So I am excited to see diferences in gameplay And survival haha
woeful vine
ravager for m+, into the fray i think is more dps on single target for raids
quiet nexus
Personally I think raid is boring. I mained heals but recently switch prot war got up to ilvl 194. I feel like all the pug healers like 90% r trash
unique shale
I just dinged 60 on my prot war, my main is DH tank So I am excited to see difer...
different is big
woeful vine
raid time. bbl tank bros
amber herald
bb
quiet nexus
I would do like 5k hps and these pugs doing 1.5k hps and complain
trim condor
@unique shale yeah, I was like, its bottom tank Now, I want to try that, because same was about survival Hunter in BFA DPS And I was topping dps meters...So I think Its more about player than fotm haha
quiet nexus
Tank more fun i think but feels bad if dps or heals r bad, cuz it always feels like you r the one messing up
mighty valley
pug raiding is miserable to me, but raiding with a squad you actually like and progressing every week is my favorite thing in this game
waxen cradle
so yeah never doing another pug key this week with more than 1 melee dps, just did a 14 NW and had a myself, a warrior dps, a DK, and a pally healer, was horrible with all the storms
craggy harness
and you're like "that's what its like"
quiet nexus
For m+, rav is really really useful
mighty valley
Ravager for dungeons, ITF for raid usually
vapid sage
gotcha
unique shale
should i be using ravager instead of Into the Fray?
ravager
quiet nexus
But actually you can prob manage either
Up until like over 10+
Or maybe bigger
Huge
vapid sage
also i had whirlwind on my bars but i dont think theres literally any reason to use it
quiet nexus
Higher
mighty valley
It's cool to start with ITF while you're still learning and don't want another button press but you'll want to get used to rav when you start doing keys
quiet nexus
Whirlwind lol remove from bars
amber herald
you want ravager because it'll pull more aggro on packs greater than 5<
vapid sage
in m+ ravager is our highest hit capped spell
Am I missing something? Thunder Clap and Revenge dont seem to have caps??
amber herald
think revenge is 3 or 5 and thunder clap is 5
mighty valley
They have damage falloff after 5 targets
amber herald
and that's less threat 🙁
quiet nexus
I think it's ok
vapid sage
i figure maybe make certain packs really dangerous to pull two of to prevent wall to wall pulls liek before
quiet nexus
No cap means kite meta would be 100 x more meta
mighty valley
I think caps are fine in theory, I just don't get why some classes get uncapped spells and others don't lmao
vapid sage
lol
quiet nexus
Yea caps should be more universal
vapid sage
I think caps are fine in theory, I just don't get why some classes get uncapped ...
you leave my shadow priest alone
mighty valley
NO
quiet nexus
In fact maybe tank should not have caps to hold aggro
vapid sage
^
quiet nexus
Make it easier to hold aggro and not necessary to kite
vapid sage
bUt tHen tAnK dAmAgE iS tOO hIgH
last mason
bought a boe cloak for 200k, do i flip for potential 60k profit or use for 13 ilvl upgrade
unique shale
bought a boe cloak for 200k, do i flip for potential 60k profit or use for 13 il...
stats and ilvl
exotic spoke
Depends on how much you need the gold honestly
last mason
226 crit vers, replacing 213 crit mastery
lowest ilvl slot, esides gloves which im buying with conq next week
unique shale
it is win win
exotic spoke
Its a personal opinion thing. PErsonally I wouldnt care about the 60k profit.
But if 60k is a lot to you and you dont mind waiting a few weeks for prices to drop then flip it
last mason
do you think flask prices will drop further
or stay around where they are
with stuff like hof closing, etc
thats my main expenditure
exotic spoke
Prices tend to drop later in the tier. However thats server specific and hard to say. It'll be different this time than last
unique shale
by the end of exp everything prices will drop
exotic spoke
well, tier is what matters given his question
last mason
ya
exotic spoke
since he mentioned hof closing.
last mason
if it was end of xpac i would oviously sell lol
exotic spoke
And yeah, that does influence prices indirectly. As more guilds finish progression there are fewer people who need flasks(or who need fewer flasks). Demand drops and supply remains static or increases
sharp steeple
Where does prot rank rn with tanks? Looking try tanking out and prot looks fun
last mason
on a side note, i sold a mythic boe ring for 100k 4 days before SL came out lol
from nyalotha
XD
livid dawn
The jumpy leggo is not useful for M+ at all is it?
amber herald
all tanks are very similar but all tanks are weak
exotic spoke
Prot is fine. It may not be the best but its certainly not the worst
amber herald
The jumpy leggo is not useful for M+ at all is it?
nope
exotic spoke
Other than maybe 1 outlier... all tanks are close - like sausagerolls said
amber herald
you can fuck around with it if you want though
last mason
what do flasks go for on your servers rn
amber herald
why the hell not
last mason
theyre 750 on mine and just curious how they compare
livid dawn
Well, it's an alts so they have like 1300 soul ash
exotic spoke
743 on Sargeras NA
exotic spoke
Vision
last mason
dope, slim pickings on this server
my bfa one died during nya
and do boes not contribute to bag ilvl
undone jacinth
healer dies to halkias thrash
ankhs
dies again to halkias thrash
"tank bad route"
amber herald
tell me he was a druid with the extra range as well
undone jacinth
he can just stand at max heal range
amber herald
oh ankh duh
undone jacinth
u dont even need the extra range
u can just stand at max range
and it does nothing
of all the things to blame when theres literally one mob alive
the route!?
mighty valley
i'm all about them no-shard HOA routes
amber herald
it doesn't even make sense they're necessary mobs for the dungeon
undone jacinth
he just scrambled through his head to try and think of what he didnt like about the run
mighty valley
next up i'm gonna try no-bosses
undone jacinth
because he didnt wanna accept his death lmao
last mason
I did an 18 halls today and the hunter whined about me kiting gargons out of his spirits
He literally became a meme
last mason
Ya I should lower the bar a bit
Funny thing is we timed the key
And he still complained after
Can’t tell if it was ego brain or just mongo dps brain
Or both
undone jacinth
full mongo always
its like just
yeah you died mate
get over it
im not saying anything about how bad ur playing
so just keep ur opinions to urself lmao
amber herald
you can kite in a circle sometimes but I find that hard in hoa with the mob placement
he's a hunter though so 100% mongo
waxen steppe
Any chance of some advice for a old prot player
Used to play prot alot last 2 expansions..
Now it seems from reading that being a prot warrior has zero self sustain and if I actually want to he a poor tank then a blood dk is just the same.
Are they hopefully not telling the truth or is that unfortunately how if currently is with prot warr
lavish oracle
can you swap weapons in a raid encounter?
undone jacinth
think so
undone jacinth
that was how it was but im not 100%
chilly brook
undone jacinth
im pretty sure it is because they had to literally patch frost dk
chilly brook
Niya go brrrrrrrrrrr
lavish oracle
well, worst case we wipe and I swap back
unique shale
Are you guys using oil or wightstone ?
unique shale
which one
lavish oracle
Shadowcore
unique shale
why
lavish oracle
because I want the extra damage and not the healing
If you want the healing use embalmer
Ez 👏
unique shale
oh it is personal choose then
lavish oracle
Yeah, pretty much
unique shale
because I want the extra damage and not the healing
but wouldn't wightstone gives more dps then Shadowcore ?
lusty karma
Hey QQ on execute spam for prot, should we be waiting to be rage capped (40 rage) before executing or just spamming when up?
assuming I don't need mitigation of course, was comparing my log vs top log and looks like only 2 ip casts on m shriekwing for example vs my 10 and way more revenge/execute casts
i normally save up execute for 40 rage and also keep up SB
valid kraken
what do you guys think of the cheat death trinket from CN
ocean bloom
useful for keys that go bad lol but other than that meh
valid kraken
yeah thats what i figured. just couldnt find much about it online
unique shale
Hey QQ on execute spam for prot, should we be waiting to be rage capped (40 rage...
Are you a venthyr ?
lusty karma
No I'm Kyrian, but comparing execute casts it looked like the top war was NF
and my SoB actually outdamaged his Aftershock
unique shale
No I'm Kyrian, but comparing execute casts it looked like the top war was NF
i wouldn't bother to use execute if i not a venthyr waste of rage
i bet shield slam does more damage then execute at least in my logs
lusty karma
fair but if you were to execute, would you wait for full 40 rage or cast asap?
amber herald
I do it at 25-40 but I honestly don't know if that's right
gonna lurk and hope someone answes
lusty karma
for non-venthyr execute
proper crest
If you are not actively tanking it's definitly worth it to spend on execute
unique shale
fair but if you were to execute, would you wait for full 40 rage or cast asap?
i would w8 until i rage cap so if something happen i can use defensive
stoic zenith
have i missed a prot buff? i just went through the hotfixes and i dont see anything, the only tank change i see is blood getting +20% armour like a month ago
patent osprey
no buffs
amber herald
hey plka do you use a plater profile I can grab off wago?
lavish hare
undone jacinth
😛
patent osprey
@amber herald I don't currently use one from Wagio. I have a custom one made by a friend :/ They asked I don't share it publicly. I used to share it and then got mad at me >.<
undone jacinth
need to sell it for subscribers
patent osprey
i asked them that actually but then how would u know if people subbed just for the plater or normal subs 😮
undone jacinth
everyone complains about wowanalyzer having a pay wall, nobody complains about naowh putting his ui behind a paywall 😛
patent osprey
alot of streamers do that though
patent osprey
do you even hit mitigation griff!?!?
patent osprey
i always wondered if hitting shield wall was worth the rage for the crit u get on SS
or if u just use that rage for revenge
or is SB worth for the crit only in ravager
patent osprey
cause venthyr can also get adversary thing which is 3% more dam
which is pretty good
undone jacinth
Niya got mastery buff tho
chilly brook
Nadjia is just a little behind
patent osprey
why do i even need to think
undone jacinth
and nf lines up with avatar so u get it all at once
patent osprey
when blood mallet is a thing
undone jacinth
I imagine nf significantly easier to realise the damage
chilly brook
and try to beat ur parse griff
It was Mythic Hungering tho
patent osprey
raid tanking only gets kinda fun after or @ council of blood
undone jacinth
u really love parses
chilly brook
Eh just an easy way to relate the issue
But yes I do enjoy parsing
But I like not having a headache and bosses not enraging too
woeful vine
parsing is fun lol
undone jacinth
idk
equipping a trinket and not pressing IP
would probably just go dps instead!
chilly brook
equipping a trinket and not pressing IP
I had my tank trinkets on
And I clearly pressed IP just not more than I needed to
graceful leaf
I'm replacing our DK tank. How much harder/easier of a time will I have?
Raid btw not m+
maiden ravine
I wanna like warrior so much, but of my 3 tanks it's the one I feel weakest on
unique shale
guys what is wrong with pugs
i used website route and all were diffcult for dps to do the dps so i made up easier path way and everybody just left key
maiden ravine
Which dungeon and what key level?
maiden ravine
There's not a whole lot of variation available in Mists
Did you not have a night fae?
Or was the skip the problem
maiden ravine
because generally you want prideful for the first boss, especially on tyrannical weeks.
unique shale
well if we kill those two adds fast we have around 20 and 30sc pride
maiden ravine
I mean this week killing those two faster may be worth it, but in general, I'd just stick with the normal route
unique shale
well i did for some of dung but it didn't went well on big packs
i kind of don't know what to do for 14 and 15 keys
it is too difficult then 13
last mason
can resto take trees or just boomy
unique shale
i think only boomy
exotic nebula
/wa
patent osprey
/wave @livid dawn
livid dawn
Your raider io profile told me to add you as a friend
But I don't think you ever replied
And I was watching your stream
cinder storm
I gave in and got DH tank, I timed a DoS 11 with 181, with my prot 212 I feel that no matter what I do, I m always dry on Rage, I'd love if we could get at least 5-10% rage regeneration increase
devout pike
well, if u spam revenge and ignore pain it will happen, make sure your ignore pain isnt active before recasting it
chilly brook
If you're rage starved you're not playing properly
devout pike
rage shouldnt be a huge problem tbh
cinder storm
Its not a huge problem, its just doesnt feel as before. Its not bad but does not feels fun
Maybe its just the kiting meta
chilly brook
After the dungeon nerfs you shouldn't be doing a lot of kiting
deft sapphire
Are those nerfs really that noticeable
chilly brook
yes
cinder storm
They are
deft sapphire
That’s nice
Seems like necrotic wake is super easy now compared to before
That place got giga nerfed
unique shale
what quantum device does for tanks ?
sweet summit
Same thing it does for other specs
devout pike
U can use itwhen low to heal, on bloodlust to boost dps, when boss is low for execute tbh on cd
unique shale
ok thx
woven trellis
so
im having dmg issues
i think
im lf any tips cause so far i have hard time to improve
if u guys have any tips
chilly brook
@sweet summit So I'm going Venthyr now
unique shale
why
unique shale
im lf any tips cause so far i have hard time to improve
buy lvl 226 one hand weapon and choose dps soul bind and use damage consumables
chilly brook
why
stepped down from the raid team so if I keep playing the warrior it'll likely just be as DPS
unique shale
well i stop raiding plus joining any raid guild because they keep nagging to roll other class or covenant
dull zodiac
DMF haste trink, 200 ilvl pvp haste /stat proc trink and 184 phial of putrification, what 2 would u guys use for m+
sweet summit
unique shale
stepped down from the raid team so if I keep playing the warrior it'll likely ju...
we had holy priest who forced into playing disc and he just fucked up. He is still playing holy and he is top healer
quiet nexus
Games should be fun
There are too many obligations irl to force yourself to play any way you dig want to
deft sapphire
I mean it doesn’t matter in a lot of cases, a lot of people are better or will have more fun playing the spec they want
Then there’s the case like sun king where you do more as holy by pressing gs on the boss no matter how much you like disc
That’s the kind of case where I would just suck it up for one boss for my raid
unique shale
outer solstice
we had holy priest who forced into playing disc and he just fucked up. He is sti...
Holy and disc are so crazy different though, I totally get it...
And holy is not bad... It's just that disc can cheese stuff and looks great on meters
orchid frigate
hmm thought i saw some post somewhere about a mission addon?
ah maybe covenant mission helper
still looks like too much hassle. ill just continue sending my adventurers on xp missions 🙂
sweet summit
Venture plan 📈
orchid frigate
Venture plan 📈
seems nice, ty!
tight tree
cinder nova
Most of my sims say that ITF is more DPS than Rav, is this true or just misleading bullshit quirks of the simming?
sweet summit
No thats probably true
jagged pier
what are you simming?
deft sapphire
ravager is like burst aoe in m+ dunegons
dull zodiac
any of u guys has made LEaper for memes?
strong forum
Na, waste of soulash still
ocean bloom
useful in pvp a bit i think
dusky sentinel
I honestly use Leaper to get places faster. Im a Demon Warrior 😎✌
patent zealot
Leaper in tier 3 maybe
twin comet
How do y'all deal with the first boss in spires of ascension? I can't reliably dodge his tank buster
ionic fern
You can't dodge it.
twin comet
I spent 20 wipes on him trying last night because someone told me I could. I took my 180 ilvl tank into a 10 because my guild couldn't find a tank and almost deleted my warrior.
jagged pier
i mean you should be fine to take that at 180 on a 10
its blockable just have SB up and a cd rolling
twin comet
With shield block + ignore pain his tank buster was taking from 100% to 20-30% or dead if I wasn't topped off .
I was using last stand when shield block was down and shield wall on the next one of it was down. We finished the place with 80 deaths.
jagged pier
do you have logs?
i mena you should be fine ive never had an issue with overhead strike and ppl did 14s/15s in less gear than you
twin comet
I don't have any logs. I did some arenas after that and upgraded my shield from 184 to 200.
jagged pier
well cant really help without logs im afraid, weve had a lot of people coming and saying they are doing somthing when the logs say somthing completely different 🤷
unique shale
I don't have any logs. I did some arenas after that and upgraded my shield from...
Are you running correct talents ?
and soulbind
plus rotation
jagged pier
soulbinds and talents mean very little compared to proper play, which is why i asked for logs
people come in here are say they are doing the rotation correctly but logs show that they arent
TL DR log everything
jagged pier
true but that still wont cause u to die to overhead stirke on fortifed week
there are ppl playing bfa build in mythic CN it doesnt hamper u that much
undone jacinth
it does chunk a decent bit especially at that ilvl but not that much through CDs
anyone know a decent m+ community on EU alliance? my alliance char is lonely
urban portal
any of u guys has made LEaper for memes?
Leaper is really good in pvp
And its ok for m+ but not really
Since you need to wait for your boys to catch up
smoky wave
What's the expected uptime on demoshout in a longer fight? Our first sire normal kill last night mine was 14%, which even with transitions and non tanking bits seems low to me.
lofty widget
i had rougly double on my last sire kill, then again i play TL
smoky wave
OK, so not as bad as I thought then, but could be better. Thanks. We weren't expecting to actually get that far and I spent the entirety of phase 3 flapping cos I had no idea on mechanics. My blocked hits was lower than I'd like but turns out I might have done better than I thought 😅
strong forum
P3 you can learn fairly quickly
All that matters is calling the knockbacks
And getting the hand of destruction away from the raid
Swapping when shattering pain debuff drops
Seeds are sometimes fucky where you get 6
jagged pier
mine was 15% but i hold it for a little bit so i can put it on boss remornia and 2 adds at one point
plus i m not tanking when i hold it so doesnt really make a difference
jagged pier
yah but i would have got that high cause no extra damage on the adds with spear
strong forum
Also remove PI already
It's so toxic
It's actually insane
Or nerf it to like 10% or smth
25% is waaaaay too much
1min CD Lust external, who thought this was a good idea
sweet summit
PI on warrior is cringe
strong forum
I'm not asking for it, but they're so annoyed with dps wanting it
That it's a hard btfo to PI tank
Atleast our arms war got PI on p3 sks 
sweet summit
O
strong forum
If anything PI our mage
Legit 20% ahead of everybody
Top 10 parses, R1 EU parse
Only China nightfae priest pi buffed mages are ahead
jagged pier
PI should just be a person thing imo
strong forum
99 average mythic parse 
sweet summit
Can we steal him
jagged pier
theres like 50 of us even if i get liek top 10 thats like 95
sweet summit
Why not
strong forum
Hes got an issue with authority
Is our GM
And has been striked multiple times in boosting communities not for fucking up
But for bullying and being toxic
Also hates raiding
autumn pendant
Sounds like your average GM
blazing condor
do you avoid the damage from the plague-pool in the last boss-room in Plaguefall by just jumping?
jagged pier
no
strong forum
no
blazing condor
i know you can kill the both packs before pulling the big guy by skipping there but some die and some dont
strong forum
That's just asking for a wipe
blazing condor
so how does it work?
blazing condor
idk man i literally ran through it
maybe im just built different
thats why im curious
i jumped though
strong forum
You got Pixel perfect thing
Cuz if you fuck up even a tiny bit
You get a dot that just fucks you
Real hard
blazing condor
hm
strong forum
Not worth the risk
Just do the room normally,
Pull all the smallies
All 3 packs
And have ranged kill them all
Kill big guy last
He teleports to those mobs that are alive
blazing condor
do you still get damaged after completing the dungeon? like on HC or something
unique shale
Is it a thing anti melee tanking ?
strong forum
Well you can't really tank those mobs, and holding aggro is somewhat iffy there
Those mobs hurt a fuckton
strong forum
do you still get damaged after completing the dungeon? like on HC or something
You can take dmg yes
unique shale
imagine playing meta class and still don't know to jump in dos 14
strong forum
Often what happens
The people that reroll fotm but don't actually push content, are usually bad players
unique shale
game is full of mage hunter and dh and people still rerolling to them
it is crazy when i lvling up and our dung group is full hunter
deft vessel
there's always going to be people who push for FOTM because it's popular at the high end
and there will always be people at the high end who reroll to those because they are strong right now
¯_(ツ)_/¯
deft vessel
it definitely didn't feel as crazy in BfA, no
well
in season 1 it kind of did with BDK
but that's it
unique shale
BDK ?
deft vessel
blood DK
undone jacinth
do you avoid the damage from the plague-pool in the last boss-room in Plaguefall...
You do actually
you just jump, isn’t hard or anything
I’m not sure what your question was about the adds but if ranged pulls the side adds first, let’s them all group on top of the front pack before you aggro it, then a mage can nuke all 3 packs and the mini boss at the same time
undone jacinth
no
blazing condor
well in that case there's no real reason to skip right?
unless ranged use it to pull?
dunno if they can reach
undone jacinth
I really don’t know what you mean by skip
blazing condor
as in pull the big guy last
idk pugs ive played with had wanted that
instead of pull all and nuke
im just trying to see whats best
dull zodiac
need to find me some haste vers wrists and belt still
undone jacinth
doesn’t make any sense tbh
just group them all and nuke them
no reason to skip him he doesn’t do anything
just kick
undone jacinth
203
dull zodiac
oof
blazing condor
well its more that you would kill the last two packs first and then grab big guy
but i agree
it seems a bit wonky
dull zodiac
would be fair imo to raise the ilvl of m+ loot by 5 overall
undone jacinth
all you’re doing is delaying how long it takes you to kill it
waxen steppe
In our guild group we shroud to back of room
Kill the 2 packs
Then the first
unique shale
as in pull the big guy last
many pug people don't's use cds to nuke only use during boss fight dunno why
undone jacinth
if you’ve got ranged dps you should be pulling them all together and slowing them
unique shale
idk when people can understand it is fortified week
undone jacinth
In our guild group we shroud to back of room
Kill the 2 packs
Then the first
why though?
waxen steppe
Means you dont have him jumping arohnd
And he will stay at the front of the room for pride
undone jacinth
bring all the packs together and he doesn’t jump anywhere
pride spawns on you not him
waxen steppe
I know but if you all at front of room with no other skeletons to worry about it just flows easier for us
undone jacinth
yeah it’s just a slower way of doing it
twin comet
@unique shale yep. With thunderlord leggo.
undone jacinth
with no benefit
unique shale
<@493219369648783371> yep. With thunderlord leggo.
what is killing you big packs ?
waxen steppe
with no benefit
Just told you the benefits for us
twin comet
I was asking about the first boss in spires.
He was almost one shotting me through IP and shield block
undone jacinth
yeah those aren’t real benefits is the issue
unique shale
are you staying between her and pet ?
twin comet
No. Should I be?
undone jacinth
no
unique shale
there is line link to her and the pet
if you get pass you get stacks and dead with more stacks
undone jacinth
it’s very unlikely it was nearly one shotting you through CDs unless you were turning your back or something
twin comet
I saw the line connecting them and thought it would be bad to touch it so I never did lol
unique shale
are you dodging black bolt too ?
dull zodiac
anger management is always beter in thorgast han bolster right?
regular thorgast not TC
twin comet
I was trying to run through him to avoid the damage because someone in the group told me I could dodge it. The first 10 times it probably was hitting my back because I ran through him.
unique shale
Thy guy trolled you so hard
undone jacinth
you can’t dodge it
and you won’t be blocking in the back
but it still doesn’t do crazy damage any more
the more you prep for it the better
opal escarp
I assume it's normal to still have dead gcds running Devastator even with like 22% haste? It's rare but it happens
deft vessel
anger management is always beter in thorgast han bolster right?
Yes, also generally applies to TC as well, you can swap around to Bolster and/or Heavy Repercussions depending on anima powers (sometimes you'll get the reduced CD on last stand, sometimes you'll straight up get anger management as an anima power, etc
strong forum
I assume it's normal to still have dead gcds running Devastator even with like 2...
Yes
deft vessel
I assume it's normal to still have dead gcds running Devastator even with like 2...
It just happens sometimes, I wouldn't worry about it, my haste has sadly gone down from my last two upgrades, used to chill at like 27-28% so I notice it a bit more, but yeah, nothing you can do about it, nothing to change about it
strong forum
Into the fray
dull zodiac
into the fray
strong forum
Raid talent
opal escarp
Ok thanks for the quick response
dull zodiac
execute back to prot was the best thing they could ever do for prot
in terms of fun atleast for me
i used to like my druid main for tanking, untill i tried prot
and i can never go back
druid is so boring ;d
guardian atleast
deft vessel
meh, execute is so boringly tacked on that I'm not too happy with its inclusion
but i digress, better than whirlwind
hidden goblet
hey guys this may be a stupid and very often question but im rly struggling.
ima Venthyr Fury/Arms and pushing keys as DPS is a pain so im trying to push my keys as a Prot(206ilvl).
I'd farmed some gear with haste/ver and after digging trough icyveins and wowhead guides im still kinda lost.
when trying +9 to +11 keys (that is where im stuck at) im very often losing aggro on pulls when some DPS is too stronk, most of times it gets him killed. Im used to tank in lots of MMOs but in WoW im struggling hard. do you guys have any tips for me?
my usual opening is Charge+Demoralizing->Thunderclap->Revenge+Ravager but some pulls are pretty hard and i need to put up Ignore Pain asap when this is needed i rly dont know how to hold the aggro
Thx in advance
ionic fern
Ravager before you charge in. If AoE aggro is a issue you can also just Ravager->Charge->Revenge->DS to get the Revenge out there earlier.
Remember that you also have a AoE taunt and 2x ST taunts.
ionic fern
Heroic Leap resets Taunts CD.
undone jacinth
pre ravager is always the answer
limber temple
ye, Either before you go in or straight after Charge.
undone jacinth
always before
hidden goblet
hmm i'll try that, do you guys think the ilvl is too low for 10+ keys or it can be managed?
hidden goblet
ok then ty all, that heroic leap reset wasnt on my mind, i'll break some keys and practice
undone jacinth
I’m doing it right now on my alt from 180 to 196 like I am now
ionic fern
If you know the class/dungeon 180 is chill.
undone jacinth
with total randoms
deft vessel
ofc , but my point still stands, also good luck getting invited to a 10 key at 180
maybe my perception is mildly skewed to be fair but still
hidden goblet
yeah, being confortable with the class takes it to another level, im still trying to figure out how to maximize mitigation so i need to get used to the packs
undone jacinth
I literally get invited to like 5 keys a day lol
I’ve been 3rd on dps in my last 5 keys
just gotta slam
deft vessel
I dunno man, I still struggle to get invited into groups as a 216 equipped for 15s, even though i have no trouble with the content itself ;-;
ionic fern
yeah, being confortable with the class takes it to another level, im still tryin...
It will get better as you get more comfortable. 🙂 If you have any specific issues just feel free to ask again.
deft vessel
though to be fair my m+ progression was mostly "on curve" as the season progressed
undone jacinth
score is what gets you invited over ilvl
deft vessel
1.3k here
makes no difference lol
I have KSM, have completed everything at 15 on time
sometimes I'll insta get a group, sometimes I'll queue for 20 minutes
sucks
acoustic stratus
jesus christ, doesnt matter how many times i do it DoS is horrible
deft vessel
well, let me rephrase, I was queueing for a specific dungeon
so that slows it down ofc
but yeah
shit sucks, i play mostly in prime time (evening EU) so I imagine there's mucho tanks available and most people prefer to wait for vdh/paladin/monk for 15s or above
acoustic stratus
on fort weeks first pack in DoS i have to use everything just to live, then the hakkar one just bonks me dead
deft vessel
but yeah, obviously problem is overstated a bit, nowhere near as bad as a dps, or even a healer (there's on average more healers than there are tanks it feels like)
the first two packs of DOS you kite
undone jacinth
I queue bear warr and pala all at peak times and have never had an issue on any of them
unles the key level is above my score
deft vessel
well, as i was finishing up KSM, was just missing DOS, have done DOS 14 on time, 15 on time for everything else, it took me around 15-20 minutes per dungeon run in queue, queing for just dos 15/16
was i think 1280 r.io at the time, 216 equipped
literally, like, on curve
acoustic stratus
and inspiring makes this week even more shit
deft vessel
I don't gain anything from dos 14, i don't need any items, i've done it in time so no r.io really (unless it's much faster) and dos 15 queues were fucking abysmal
but anyway, enough of my rants, it might be a difference beteen EU/NA?
no clue
undone jacinth
I’m EU
deft vessel
then yeah, no clue at all then
I didn't really struggle much with queues climbing up, but that dos 15 search was fucking sloooooooow
acoustic stratus
i have attempted dos 15 like 6 times
undone jacinth
it’s just a key you haven’t done is all and obviously I don’t know if those times are exaggerated or not
deft vessel
not really, got a VOD of it, but i digress
really not important
but yeah, it must be the "eh not super strong tank and he hasn't done a 15 on time yet, so maybe let's wait for one who has" approach
undone jacinth
just think a group leader is gonna be nervous if he sees Prot warr +14
as dos is a hard key
deft vessel
they can piss off, the 15 I timed was with like...3 minutes to spare cus people just played the dungeon right lol
undone jacinth
they just protecting themselves
if you’re running your own keys taking any kind of risk is normally a mistake
deft vessel
@acoustic stratus to get back to your question, first two packs are most dangerous, though most groups will pull the whole first section (the two dudes on the stairs and the whole platform) and lust it, your job is to establish early aggro, dump as much damage as you can and then kite, yes it feels bad, it's not that bad though, dump all offensive cooldowns at the start, pop Bolster and once you're out of stuff book it. Remember you can use spell reflect on some of the casts there.
For the second pack the story is more or less the same but you can't quite afford to stay in melee as long as on the first. Ravager/Spear (if available), then book it already, don't stay in melee of the skeleton dudes.
The rest is pretty straight forward tanking fare, pull as big as you feel comfortable with in the next platform and in the Ardenweald area .
If struggling on aggro while kiting remember to taunt regularly and as was pointed out here not too long ago - heroic throw mobs as you are running, heroic throw has an increased threat generated modifier, so use that to hold aggro while kiting.
Depending on how good of a player you get in the group the group may help you with your kiting, but otherwise you should be fine. Don't get tempted to run circles around the mobs unless you have sufficient space, because if two of those skeletons use their instant casts on you and you have no mitigation you might just die
acoustic stratus
im more worried about the fact that the death speakers are getting covered with inspired, i cant interruot shadowcore
deft vessel
that doesn't super change how you play
you can't afford to be in melee of that pack very long regardless if they're inspired or not, if inclined storm bolt the skeletal raptor dude that's inspired and prey the group bursts it down, but from your perspective you can't do much about that particular problem
acoustic stratus
yea, i tried using the shield wall leggo but it felt like shit in m+
deft vessel
how so?
acoustic stratus
i rather have on demand demo shouts for rage
deft vessel
uhm, I'd revise that approach
on packs you need to kite in particular, it wont' do you any good
and if your complaint is "I die to hard packs" then the one extra demo shout/one extra ignore pain allowed from that demo shout won't get you very far
it won't make those packs any more face tankable and it won't even contribute much to your damage because you can't really utilize the offensive aspect of demo shout on that second pack much at all either
ravager and spear will be boosted and then you leave
acoustic stratus
I mainly pug, so the rage for demo shout, even in emergency cases im just used to
deft vessel
well, I think the wall contributes to more overall rage throughout the run than thunderlord (messages below indicate otherwise, so perhaps not, take with grain of salt, I'm unsure)
undone jacinth
take whichever Lego you prefer
deft vessel
but yeah
deft vessel
use whatever you want, neither choice matters for those two hard packs at the start
undone jacinth
if u don’t like wall, don’t use
deft vessel
since your approach to them is as outlined above
acoustic stratus
to be fair I only tried it once
undone jacinth
u will probably wanna cc that raptor if your dps aren’t gonna mega crush it though
deft vessel
yep
jagged pier
well, I think the wall contributes to more overall rage throughout the run than ...
thats not true
TL gives more rage
1 demo = 8 SS's
and you get like double if not more demo shouts with TLs
undone jacinth
lol
deft vessel
hm, I don't want to die on that hill, I'm not convinced you're correct but I haven't really kept track of it that closely
unique shale
i used demo shout before but it won’t worth it tho
deft vessel
so I'll take your word for it
unique shale
the wall is way more better
undone jacinth
unless you have like 200% haste
unique shale
yup
deft vessel
I've tried both, most of my early m+ prog was with thunderlord, for my push for KSM and all the hard 15s and 14s I swapped to the wall
jagged pier
the maths is simple u get the rage for SS anyway but if your talking extra rage from the wall ts 5 per SS so to equal 1 extra demo shout u get form TLs is 8 SS's
deft vessel
of note I also did most of my 15s on time during tyrannical week (last week)
soooooooooooo yeah, I straight up preferred the wall there
undone jacinth
?
jagged pier
with TLs you get more demos in some cases twice per pack
undone jacinth
you don’t have a way to get extra SS?
jagged pier
not on top of normal stuff
undone jacinth
wut
jagged pier
im including procs etc
unique shale
sometimes i got three ss proc
jagged pier
TL gives u extra demo shouts
undone jacinth
yeah all the normal stuff that gives you extra ways lol..
jagged pier
yes thats in account
undone jacinth
????
undone jacinth
do you know what the cpm of ss is
deft vessel
yeah but you cast a lot more SS than you demo shout, and demo shout still provides its rage every 45 seconds thus why I feel like you're wrong, but again, I haven't kept track of it that closely so I can't really comment on it more than that
undone jacinth
he is wrong
jagged pier
yes but with TLs its down to 20ish seconds
deft vessel
if you can consistently hit 3 targets, sure, but sometimes you can't
jagged pier
whichs means u need to to do 8 SS's in that time to = the rage from the demo u get from TL's
unique shale
i saw a prot war with 14 set krys fail or keys tho he never used SR tho how
undone jacinth
TL increases up time by like 6% or something on average, the maximum possible theoretical is just under twice as many casts but you will never achieve that outside of a 3 target dummy set up
jagged pier
@ionic fern do u have logs of your runs?
lofty widget
in a top i did recently i had 411 SS casts, aka 2055 extra rage, to get the same from TL you would need 51 extra casts of DS