I'm confused how 5 get off and the group is alive
#protection
midnight stone
modern brook
^ honestly that
undone jacinth
necro is a bleed not a disease
sick sentinel
i thought a big thing we discussed was on necro we take kliea
undone jacinth
because it dispels bleeds
sick sentinel
like this
undone jacinth
and necrotic is a bleed
sick sentinel
oh, bleed, right, that's another one i can't remove
deft vessel
the only rough spot that's kind of dicey is third boss in plaguefall
that's literally it
ocean yoke
the kiela advantage was the immunity after the phial got used
undone jacinth
generally reset alone is enough but there are spots where the immunity is good
chilly brook
@modern brook is there even a reason why I shouldn't commit at this point?
undone jacinth
gauntlet, birds in spires etc
sick sentinel
yeah, i gotta level another toon or something haha
deft vessel
I haven't had issues with either of those, did PF 15 and SD 15 last week with tyrannical and necrotic
you have ample room and space for SD gauntlet to clear
chilly brook
I did
modern brook
everything there is dog
chilly brook
Claws alone were noticeable
modern brook
I was talking about Griffs outlaw
strong forum
Before the 2nd/3rd cast they're dead
deft vessel
yeah I didn't notice anything different, stradama is a bit easier on healers and that's more or less it
chilly brook
It comes up more than once in your reflect downtime 4head
modern brook
PF is ez af until your group decides to lose a collective 40 iq and burn 23 minutes on lastboss
strong forum
Stradama would've been easier prolly if my dps weren't 2 fire mages
Having 2 fire mages on PF is so terrible
deft vessel
23 minutes?!
strong forum
It's actually sooo bad
modern brook
23 minutes?!
ive seen some pugs dude
deft vessel
I timed it like this on 15 last week xD
undone jacinth
does comp matter in pf
sick sentinel
so, if i run into this scenario again with inpsiring abomb trash, what do i do, sheep the guy or something?
chilly brook
But things definitely don't just disappear from the map like firemages make it
sick sentinel
sheep the debuff guy that is
chilly brook
I mean....
deft vessel
just pull the first pack alone and focus down inspiring lol
deft vessel
you don't need to pull the whole room, though if you do, same advice applies
deft vessel
it's one of the squishy dudes that's the inspired mob, just nuke it and poof
sick sentinel
we pulled like normal, just dps was low, standing in everything including tornadoes so
undone jacinth
I’m not sure you can entirely blame dps when 10 casts are going off
deft vessel
I mean, you sort of can, but really that's so excessive I don't really understand how it gets this bad
not that many casts
undone jacinth
it just doesn’t seem possible
modern brook
i mean yeah
sick sentinel
they are immune to cc right, that's pummel too?
undone jacinth
no matter what
deft vessel
if you leave the inspiring mobs then yeah
undone jacinth
it’s definitely the packs in the room you are talking about and not the patrol with the abom and two guys?
chilly brook
everything there is dog
Bruh wdym 200ilvl doing 4.5 overall in a shitty pug key
deft vessel
the inspiring mob itself is not immune to CC so stun (so it doesn't jump) or root with spear, burst down
sick sentinel
well, i'm not entirely sure how it all went to hell, but it did.
modern brook
Bruh wdym 200ilvl doing 4.5 overall in a shitty pug key
smh
sick sentinel
my stance is incompetent group, but i mean......
undone jacinth
you should log
chilly brook
Didnt even get to pad because it's not even a prideful key
modern brook
did u pull verything 1 pack at a time?
chilly brook
Yep
modern brook
There u go
sick sentinel
i'm getting a 500 gb ssd, and i might get more storage, would allow me to save video of runs
chilly brook
It was a 6 SD lmao
deft vessel
modern brook
Lmao
chilly brook
Literally I swear people 15 ilvl higher are just allergic to doing good numbers
modern brook
SD is actually sucha good dungeon for outlaw tbh
a little ass w/ storming though
check your talents btw
modern brook
MA+KS is pulling ahead of Celerity+BS now
deft vessel
worse with necrotic/tyrannical and even that's fine
chilly brook
Cuz I've seen plenty of people in 210-215 who struggle to do 4.5k
chilly brook
MA+KS is pulling ahead of Celerity+BS now
I'll have to sim
undone jacinth
there’s ppl in here who are 215 who literally don’t cast spells
can’t really compare yourself to the average
sick sentinel
modern brook
There was a bug in the APL causing BS to flurry which was making it over perform
sick sentinel
ordered this comes in few days
sick sentinel
i'm not stream friendly kinda person, haha
i'd get banned in about 4 days probably
chilly brook
There was a bug in the APL causing BS to flurry which was making it over perform
I'm assuming by BS you mean blade rush
deft vessel
I streamed some dos 15 attempts the other day, was after a long day of work, downright ashamed of how shit I was lul, didn't time anyway, timed the day after
chilly brook
deft vessel
quite
chilly brook
Literally every day that passes I just feel like saying "yea fuck tanking"
daring robin
Quick question, i play all tank specs (all at 200ilvl now) but with prot warrior i just CANNOT hold threat on a pack, i have no chance
chilly brook
You're not playing properly or you just have big blasters
undone jacinth
Ravager
chilly brook
My money is on the first
daring robin
i charge in, shield slam - thunder clap - revenge
chilly brook
Avatar?
daring robin
and they get ripped off of me
chilly brook
Ravager?
undone jacinth
ravager
chilly brook
Spear?
modern brook
demo
deft vessel
I haven't had much threat issues, at the start of a pull perhaps until second GCD sure, but while you are fighting mobs actively, in melee range, you are having threat issues?
daring robin
once they're up yes, and i'm also retarded and am venthyr
undone jacinth
it’s ravager
sick sentinel
early ravager is a strong play
modern brook
avatar-charge-demo-ss-block-clap-revenge
ravager if its up after block or before slam
undone jacinth
ravager always
deft vessel
and even the whole "2nd gcd" thing is not much of an issue unless you're with a bursty dps
sick sentinel
drop ravager early let it do its thing get rage for u
modern brook
I dont prepull ravager and i have no problem holding aggro tbh
daring robin
i usually dont drop ravager before charging in, no
modern brook
that is to say i think theres more to it than that
chilly brook
It can help
daring robin
usually after my first revenge
sick sentinel
don't forget also, that by using heroic leap, it resets your taunt CD so you could go taunt, attack, leap taunt
undone jacinth
it’s just free threat free rage etc
chilly brook
Theres no reason to not drop ravager before you charge
undone jacinth
if you’re struggling it’s what will push you over the edge
modern brook
yeah its def a thing you should do dont get me wrong
undone jacinth
waiting 2gcds or whatever to do dmg is always gonna be bad
sick sentinel
no, not before you charge, but still early on
modern brook
but i dont think its the deciding factor in "how we hold aggro"
undone jacinth
before you charge yes
chilly brook
It probably won't be
chilly brook
no, not before you charge, but still early on
Why would you not?
daring robin
but still it doesnt seem to generate much threat
chilly brook
Charge isn't on the GCD
daring robin
it does damage sure but not alot of threat, revenge is the only one that actually generates SOME threat
sick sentinel
avatar or spear
undone jacinth
??
sick sentinel
mid charge bis is avatar
chilly brook
You can still hit avatar mid charge
modern brook
mid charge bis is avatar
avatars also off gcd
chilly brook
modern brook
you're thinking of bfa lol
undone jacinth
you ravager pre charge to free up a gcd and because it’s just overall better at everything
including ensuring it’s off cd for your next pull
uneven mason
TFW your guild goes on a meme kick at your expense
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/798360735654084638/806901908232077342/4438c2_1.png
modern brook
mordigrim is the most dh name since Illidan with 7 special characters
uneven mason
I mean, at least my DHs name makes sense.
Kiraikaze
its an anagram of my warriors name!
undone jacinth
I don’t watch anime
uneven mason
I mentioned that and the healers all screamed
also so did the melee DPS
but mostly the healers
Prior to the guild reforming we had a DH tank
and uh, they like having a tank that doesn't look like they're going to turn inside out when a mouse farts
chilly brook
Dh is solid tho
undone jacinth
not seen a havoc in ages
when your raids have more ferals than havocs
what a world
also our logs right now are literally split in half with all the ranges at the top and all the melee at the bottom with like 1 melee competing with the worst ranged.. idk if that’s the same for all
prog seems pretty brutal for melee
chilly brook
Prog doesnt seem that bad for melee tbh
modern brook
also our logs right now are literally split in half with all the ranges at the t...
thats me in my guild
undone jacinth
I know ideally they are but they seem to lose way more on prog
idk if it’s possible to see prog logs only
modern brook
THe meteres are generally mage-> hunter hunter boomie->me ->garbo melee dps
undone jacinth
we just got 3 warlocks who are untouchable
strong forum
Idk why prog should be any different from farm except people know what to do a bit better
modern brook
fight timer, mostly :/
chilly brook
This tier is just favorable for classes that have like 2 minute burst damage
uneven mason
also our logs right now are literally split in half with all the ranges at the t...
higher ac on mobs
undone jacinth
prog logs always different to farm
chilly brook
Because so many intermissions
Hunter sustained single target isn't that amazing
But their CDs line up so well with so many of the harder fights that they're super desirable
sturdy sable
Still better than every melee tho
chilly brook
Plus ranged and immunities
No not better than every melee
Lol
WW and Unholy are better DPS
sturdy sable
That whole package you just described
chilly brook
By a significant margin
sturdy sable
Is better than any melee
undone jacinth
again you’re just talking target dummy
chilly brook
Again UH is a far better DPS
Even with them not having a pure immunity
AMS/AMZ/Icy Fort/Death Strike/Deaths Advance
Literally UH is absolutely nuts
Oh you need to clear traps? Lemme pop Icy and clear them
sturdy sable
Yeah but like a hunter could do that faster and safer
chilly brook
Oh theres a movement mechanic? Lemme just pop deaths advance and ignore it
strong forum
Uhdk is stupid this tier
sturdy sable
A hunter could run seed
strong forum
It's so insane
chilly brook
This is something that Max even talked about in regards to this tier
strong forum
They're so fucking stupidly strong, ams amz grip and deaths advance all important buttons
chilly brook
UH just does everything
strong forum
On almost every boss
chilly brook
And they dont die
sturdy sable
So was the booty claps
ocean yoke
im still upset at not being able to reflect inervas dot
they tease us by letting it still do it to the trash before
uneven mason
Yeah but like a hunter could do that faster and safer
?
strong forum
A hunter cant clear traps without wasting his immunity
A dk can just pop ams
Every minute, or IBF like or twice a fight
undone jacinth
they are good at different things, it’s a dumb comparison
strong forum
Yes but it was specifically meant vs traps
uneven mason
hunter do seeds!
undone jacinth
and there is no comparison
DK is good at traps Hunter isn’t
Hunter is good at seeds DK isn’t
strong forum
Yes
uneven mason
they're both fine at traps, hunter just has to use their major CD while a DK can use a fast reuse AMS
uneven mason
but yeah, mythic bosses have like 66% armor iirc
undone jacinth
doesn’t matter
strong forum
Wha
uneven mason
its the primary reason why classes that rely on physical hits are hurting
undone jacinth
ferals dmg comes from bite
lavish oracle
I mean, looking at logs, warrior Isn't too far behind UHDK after the last buff except on pure ST fights
uneven mason
uhlol
undone jacinth
melee are perfectly fine on target dummies, the issue is with mechanics
uneven mason
maybe a50% UDK vs a 99% Fury
undone jacinth
not dps
chilly brook
I mean, looking at logs, warrior Isn't too far behind UHDK after the last buff e...
Fury has always been insane in cleave
undone jacinth
melee have a harder time realising the dmg
lavish oracle
Nah, 95% overall over the last 24 hours
chilly brook
Anything where fury can cleave their targets they're nuts
chilly brook
Their problem is their single target
lavish oracle
That is what I said
uneven mason
yeah, so, where it counts in raiding
lavish oracle
There's a lot of cleave fights this tier
chilly brook
I'm still considering just playing fury over rogue just simply because warriors are actually in demand
uneven mason
why bring a spec that is good for 30% of a fight.
lavish oracle
I'd play fury just because they have actual raid utility
undone jacinth
because that 30% still matters even if the argument is a simplistic one
if it means they perform high overall then it’s worth
uneven mason
right but you're hurting yourself when you could bring in another spec that is good for 100% of the fight?
undone jacinth
ww boss damage on sire is dogshit but they are still the highest dps overall
there isn’t a 100% good spec that isn’t affliction
chilly brook
Fire?
chilly brook
Well that's kinda how they work
chilly brook
But that doesnt make it a bad class for every fight
undone jacinth
I’m not saying it’s a bad class for any fight?
undone jacinth
what the fuck lmao
lavish oracle
Anyways, I think Fury somehow managed to pull it's way into like 3rd best melee this tier from the very bottom of the charts
chilly brook
There isn't a fight in the raid where I wouldn't want a fire mage
undone jacinth
ok..
4th best melee maybe because competition is weak
ww feral unholy all above imo
uneven mason
I mean if ou ignore UDK, Feral, Outlaw, FrostDK, Enhance, and now, HDH
sure 3rd best melee
undone jacinth
you have a strange ranking
lavish oracle
Yeah, I don't think you bring more than one DPS warrior still, but it's a pretty dramatic improvement
uneven mason
thats not ranking
just classes above fury, WW and ret are not listed
so pick any from that list
lavish oracle
Lol, why are enhance and frost up there?
uneven mason
because they're actually above fury still
undone jacinth
above how
uneven mason
nobody even plays frost...
which is why they don't show up much, but they are better than fury
undone jacinth
better how
uneven mason
ST damage
undone jacinth
...
uneven mason
...
undone jacinth
LMAO
uneven mason
no matter how much you pound on the "BUT CLEAVE MATTERS TOO"
you're not going to favor the spec that is absolute shit for a big chunk of a fight
fury has its niche, its extremely strong in M+
lavish oracle
You picked a pure ST fight
lavish oracle
We literally already said fury ST is dogshit, lol
novel ruin
@sweet summit I wanted to stop by and wish you well. Hope you haven’t died to the Maw yet
undone jacinth
why don’t you pick the relevant fights in the tier like slg and Denny and tell me how enhance or frost are doing on those
sweet summit
@novel ruin hello 
ive died in the maw many times 😔 , how's the bear life?
vague jetty
Is sludge really that inconsequential?
undone jacinth
no but the others are obviously the big ones
uneven mason
So, my point was Fury has crap ST damage
lavish oracle
It's one of like 3 relevant bosses
undone jacinth
sludge is clearly a st burst fight exclusively
uneven mason
and folks are like "BUT LINK THE CLEAVE FIGHTS!"
vague jetty
Idk about after the nerfs but most people acknowledged sludge being harder than denathrius
uneven mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vague jetty
Before the nerfs
chilly brook
I mean considering how much time Sludge took the top guilds.....
novel ruin
<@!155452240772071424> hello <:catman:769917539835969587> ive died in the maw ma...
If only you had a travel form. Smh. I took a 5 week break due to starting a business but back playing. Been going pretty well so far. I thrash, switch to boomy and Voke and laugh as moons fall from the sky and I lose threat and watch a melee die during my channel.
chilly brook
And SLG was just dumb broken
vague jetty
Yea
chilly brook
Kinda still is
lavish oracle
Well you said Fury St Is bad and we said 'yeah, we know, luckily most this tier is cleave' and you said frost and enh were better than fury
Without explaining that you meant pure ST
vague jetty
Well, comparing dps meters to say one spec is better or not is kind of....pointless
undone jacinth
Aza said that fury are competitive for 3rd spot and I said 4th, then u made it a st dps race
somehow
sweet summit
If only you had a travel form. Smh. I took a 5 week break due to starting a busi...
i went kyrian on my baer 👀
lavish oracle
@vague jetty Fury also brings rally + battle shout so it's pretty much set on the raid utility front
novel ruin
i went kyrian on my baer 👀
I hope one day Blizzard ascends your Baer and grants ya wings
undone jacinth
yeah that’s another reason you see more than 0 of them killing denathrius
quoting parses isn’t as easy when nobody playing the spec has been able to clear the tier
chilly brook
I really might end up going fury tbh at this point
vague jetty
Not saying frost is good in any way
chilly brook
Fuck
vague jetty
But
chilly brook
lavish oracle
Like, Warrior is still an auto include for most rosters so if you can get that one spot you're set 😄
uneven mason
That would be the issue, rather include a prot warrior any day (regardless if its my favorite spec) and a VDH over a HDH and FUry warrior, because its way better to use the DPS spots for DPS that are not ♿
But like I told my guild - if everyone would just play specs that deal magic damage, we wouldn't need a monk or warrior!
chilly brook
I mean
undone jacinth
The power level between uh and frost is huge
okay? a lot of the DK guys don’t think the gap is that big now but it means nothing to me either way?
chilly brook
Warrior overall isn't that great
uneven mason
Prot is great
vague jetty
Can we just have tdev back so we can ignore this conversation and run 20 vdh
chilly brook
But their "burst" is up so often it coincides well with the fights
I mean warriors overall dps
uneven mason
yeah
chilly brook
Plus condemn is bonkers in execute
uneven mason
condemn bonkers for 55% of a fight
even with condemn being bonkers
you're going to be way behind nearly every spec
DURING condemn
lavish oracle
You're not
undone jacinth
you are clueless sorry
lavish oracle
That's provably false, the logs are literally there
Either way, limit killed almost every boss with 2 warriors, so you're not exactly shooting yourself in the foot by playing one
heady plaza
Which is worse in your opinions. Venthyr prot or kyrian arms/fury for pve
lavish oracle
And they were using arms which at this point is just worse than fury
chilly brook
Echo as well had a dps warrior for most of it
Because rev is just dummy good on his warrior or w/e his name is
lavish oracle
I like Kyrian Fury in dungeons but it does hit like a wet noodle in ST, haha
chilly brook
Which is worse in your opinions. Venthyr prot or kyrian arms/fury for pve
Which do you play more?
uneven mason
Either way, limit killed almost every boss with 2 warriors, so you're not exactl...
they did cover that in the interviews though, basically - if we had not had the arms warrior the kill would have been sooner.
heady plaza
I play them equally
uneven mason
Regardless, condemn isn't going to magically make your ST burst stronk
heady plaza
I raid arms and m+ prot
uneven mason
But, at least you won't feel like a limp fish
heady plaza
They are equal lol
Rhats why im asking
I'm just curious if there's statistics or whatever showing the differences between each
chilly brook
And I'm asking because it's relevant to the answer
heady plaza
I understand
lavish oracle
Top ranked warrior is Venthyr in M+
chilly brook
Like are you in a CE guild? What's your goal? KSM, pushing high keys? Which one is more important
uneven mason
for prot, altho that has more todo with that team than covenant
heady plaza
They are equally important
heady plaza
If they weren't equally important id know the answer
chilly brook
I'd argue if you dont have intent to push 20 keys and you have CE aspirations then raid is the more important one but eh w/e
deft vessel
I mean, play necrolord if you really like it, but it's quite underwhelming
heady plaza
So from the answers I'm getting, the difference between venthhr prot and kyrian arms is negligible
uneven mason
correct
uneven mason
Venthyr for prot actually has some really strong tanking conduits
general is badass
timber lagoon
That's what I'm rocking
lavish oracle
Kyrian Arms is also sick in PvP if that matters at all 😄
heady plaza
But so is venthyr arms
uneven mason
the only weak point is Kyrian and NF really give us some massive AE Burst for threat when tanking M+
timber lagoon
Just shooting to get KSM so I'm fine as venthyr
heady plaza
I do pvp and more people are switching to venthyr arms in arena
uneven mason
I loved doing Venthyr arms
Door of shadows as a AE disorent
really messes with people in arena
"SURPRISE, YOU"RE STUNNED!"
twilit siren
whitch one
patent osprey
210
undone jacinth
probably mastery sims
twilit siren
the mastery. it's 1% block
strong forum
1% crit block chance isnt it
twilit siren
Okay
strong forum
like, the 7 ilvl are way better
chilly brook
Stop thinking about secondary stats
undone jacinth
mastery is block as well
grand drum
shield block gives 100% block
undone jacinth
block and more crit block
strong forum
mastery is block as well
yes but at reduced effectivenss
chilly brook
Block chance only matters when you dont have shield block
undone jacinth
ofc
chilly brook
undone jacinth
ur using it for the crit block anyways
sick sentinel
yeah, so that trash is 10 times easier when you tell the monk about the disease
strong forum
ye you dont plan around getting blocks outside of SB
sick sentinel
and have your potion ready
undone jacinth
its even easier if you dont let it go off 😛
sick sentinel
depends how fast we killed the inpsiring i gues
sick sentinel
unforgiving for uncoordinated groups on 2 parts of trash there,
undone jacinth
casting 1 cc is unforgiving?
werent you just posting about the soul trap like 2 days ago?
sick sentinel
i was yeah
no, just tornadoe guys too is if someone not paying attention they have to run back, huge time loss
undone jacinth
huh
sick sentinel
and group will brick if no disease removal/kick
undone jacinth
you have a kick..
undone jacinth
yea?
you pummel the withering discharge
which is casted by the small leaper guys...
you can interrupt every one yourself
sick sentinel
i set it up to play a sound whenever they are casting that shit anyways
and got potions to remove it
undone jacinth
you dont want to be potioning it
the rest of your group wont be doing that
you need to kick it
sick sentinel
well, if its a shaman healer, which alot are, i don't think they can hit diseases
chilly brook
Meat shield just keeps you there for an extra few seconds
sick sentinel
we had a DH with a brain in this group, still low keys but i mean, if im screwing up on 5 stacking that debuff, clearly aint learned enough to go into 14s
have to run them till i can time it everytime
chilly brook
If you have 5 stacks of that debuff you're standing in the swirly when they died
undone jacinth
if you have 1 stack of the debuff you have probably messed up
chilly brook
Also those things are a lot simpler when ranged stack on melee
So they dont leap 30 yards away and start their stupid cast
high folio
how big of a deal is it if i dont craft the wall using the shoulders
open monolith
does weapon DPS actually factor in to anything other than white hits nowadays?
All of the formulas on Wowhead just say "%of attack power"
stark sage
its part of the AP formula, it goes into basically every ability
open monolith
ooooh, so there is a formula hidden within the attack power
stark sage
ye
open monolith
is there anywhere that I can actually see that?
stark sage
probably
open monolith
I'm trying to win an argument
sick sentinel
@high folio the difference is the armor from shoulder compared to other slot, possibly stats?
sweet summit
ap is just strength+(mastery for tanks)+Ap shout+weapon stones
brittle owl
hello is warrior still a meme
sweet summit
yes
karmic scroll
always has been
open monolith
I'm talking specifically about "Attack Power" in relation to ability formulas
brittle owl
i*
sweet summit
ya that is attack power
open monolith
they say they deal % of attack power, but that attack power is apparently a separate formula that factors in weapon DPS
high folio
<@!119291354516946944> the difference is the armor from shoulder compared to oth...
well yeah i know shoulders will give me more armor then the cloak but im not paying 45k for the 225 piece
sweet summit
thats not what mwahi told me :(
stark sage
@open monolith this is how it was in BFA, there's variance added now, i cant find the current formula, but it'll look similar to this
(Attack Power + Weapon DPS * 6) * AP Coefficient * Damage Multiplier
sick sentinel
my shoulders r4 costed me 22k i think
high folio
the 235 piece is 21.8k but im 2-3 weeks worth of ash away from being able to make it
stark sage
the 6 in this example formula is a constant, and is very likely different now
sick sentinel
you can go from rank 0 to rank 4 if u have enough SA too
just need to buy 1 item only and ur misives
high folio
i know, i just wanted to get this leggo made for a build i want to do rather then having to wait 2 more weeks to farm up ash
like wtf why
it was 80k yesterday
sick sentinel
i have no idea why it would be like that
some dude out to make a scam get some ez money, not a clue lol
high folio
hella annoying
uneven mason
some dude out to make a scam get some ez money, not a clue lol
I Mean, its not a scam. I do that occasionally if I see a gap in something that is frequently bought, called playing the market
gotta support my Xmog habit somehow.
open monolith
nobody buys rank 3s
uneven mason
I had made my wall a cloak
because it was an offspec at first.
and the cloaks were like 5k
vs 40k
redid it at shoulders
hence - rank 3
exotic spoke
I've made some rank 3s. But Im impatient and dont really care about gold
uneven mason
☝️
exotic spoke
On one toon I have two rank 3s. Cause I dont want to wait for rank 4s when my legendaries are already some of my lowest ilvl pieces
chilly brook
I get enough gold either from gullible guildies or from carrys
mellow patio
I have been absolutely farming gold in carries
Wish bliz would stop nerfing stupid dungos and cutting into my profit
chilly brook
Wish bliz would stop nerfing stupid dungos and cutting into my profit
I mean your profit is getting cut as the weeks go on because people are getting more gear and there just isn't as much of a demand
Prices naturally lower over time
mellow patio
I understand how carries work lmao
But they were cut harder than normal after nerfs not that it matters tho I am still rich
lavish thorn
hey guys.!
mellow patio
Hello gamer
lavish thorn
please tell me, what dps shall be comfortable to pass 14-15? overall, per damager
like 4.5?
or is that not good enough
lavish thorn
so if we demonstrate more and struggle to pass it means we act inappropriately
lavish thorn
ah
mighty valley
are you asking about your dps? or the actual DPS members' dps?
mighty valley
yeah, it's ok, not huuuuge
overall dps changes based on a lot of things, like how you're pulling etc
lavish thorn
I deliver like 4-5k, depends. as arms. considering taking, cause my damagers look not strong enough
fire mage
3.7
*tanking
well thanks a lot
I will look for the ways to increase the group dps
👍
undone jacinth
overalls can be misleading but generally if you're not over 4k its probably a player problem
last mason
are there any benefits besides sm since im not night elf to staying alli
if my focus is m_
m+
or is a no brainer
mighty valley
your race is like, the least important choice you make
last mason
ik
i didnt say race specifically
bbut many people consider shadowmeld important for alli
mighty valley
they patched out the shadowmeld m+ cheese
jagged pier
because of MDI
jagged pier
🤷
last mason
thx for the input
mystic ridge
Dwarves are pretty sweet, everyone plays Horde though
sweet summit
wtb horde dwarf tbh
undone sun
stark sage
who even cares about the story, just make merc mode work for pve
stark sage
😔
jagged pier
ill get swapped to a horde race
silver trout
wtb Merc mode for pve
uneven mason
Although Dwarf Dwarfs have some snazzy customizations now
livid dawn
Resto sham discord and prot war discord have such different vibes
Here, people be complimenting eachother on their mogs
there...
people be flaming me because of how I set my ui
and hotkeysd
uneven mason
who heals with hotkeys?
Footpads and 20button mice! Keyboards are a babies toy! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
livid dawn
XD
uneven mason
So that's quite the shift, I always felt the resto shm discord was quite helpful
in telling you that you should play another healer!
seriously tho, my main alt is a Rshm
timber lagoon
Same here! Rsham is best
uneven mason
same reason why my guild wiped 3x to the boss we 1 shot during progression, but 1 shots the boss we wiped 20+ times to when we do our farm night
sometimes you just gotta die a few times to shake that brain outta the ole buttcheek squeeze.
strong forum
i hate my guild
sweet summit
i also hate your guild 😔
strong forum
😔
chilly brook
AFTER WIPING TO HUNGERING FOR 5 PULLS
I imagine we're gonna be wiping several times on hungering tonight despite the fact that it'll be a reclear
heavy sail
How many pulls did it take to prog?
strong forum
for sks
heavy sail
Oh
strong forum
for hungering was 50 smth
still dogshit
literal trash tier guild
but is ok, we are a meme guild
strong forum
but atleast i unfucked my logs a bit
strong forum
i played Arms conduits on shriek tho
chilly brook
For hungering?
I think we had 90+ pulls on hungering
I actually wanted to put my head through my monitor
heavy sail
Jesus
uneven mason
Was it one of those "The GMs GF is a healer and thinks she's a DPS"
heavy sail
Why so many? Like what were you dying to?
chilly brook
Wanna know what the best part was?
heavy sail
Just wondering so I can do some research
uneven mason
88 pulls on Twin Orgron in WoD says I understand.
chilly brook
So we spent another 20 pulls or so learning a new strat
strong forum
if people cant think for themselves, hungering is a bitch
chilly brook
if people cant think for themselves, hungering is a bitch
Basically this
Something something people taking two steps is hard
heavy sail
Easy for tank mains to say
uneven mason
😄
chilly brook
I mean....
uneven mason
I tank because I suck at mechanics
heavy sail
But sounds about right for any raid
uneven mason
👍
chilly brook
heavy sail
Well you’re a Chad what can I say
chilly brook
Literally slapping
But then again I get to claim the benefit of being a tank and watching what other people do so I don't fall to the same trap
indigo pumice
Loot gods please bless this necrotic wake to drop my weapon
chilly brook
heavy sail
It’s pretty good tho
heavy sail
I enjoy raidleading and it’s just hard to do that when you’re playing anything other than tank
chilly brook
But realistically I'm hard considering just swapping
heavy sail
So I enjoy the benefits of having braindead mechanics
heavy sail
Previous raidlead was a healer and it was just a disaster lmao
undone jacinth
raid leading as healer sounds insanely toxic
heavy sail
He was pretty good actually
heavy sail
It was just obvious that the HPS tanked when he did it
undone jacinth
its just like
strong forum
yup
undone jacinth
as healer ur literally staring at friends
frames*
the entire fight
must be so difficult
heavy sail
Yeah
undone jacinth
and u also dont get dps mechanics which is the only draw back of playing tank RL
strong forum
MT RL is kinda chill
jagged pier
DID WE JUST 1SHOT SKS
sounds like my runs tbf XD
chilly brook
Its something both echo and limit have talked about
How ranged sets you up for best success for raid leading
uneven mason
I enjoy raidleading and it’s just hard to do that when you’re playing anything o...
I mean yeah there is that too, because I don't have to yell at the tanks constantly "move it to the moon, no thats a star, don't brin it to...sigh, well we wiped, lets go over shapes and colors again shall we class!"
undone jacinth
they are playing at a different level than anyone else
max has said stuff like tank is the worst possible RL
its just complete bs
uneven mason
ranged have most braindead mechanics
I mean, if you could apply "Braindead" to "doesn't exist"
heavy sail
I don’t see how tank could be the worst, seems obvious that heals are
undone jacinth
yeah it is obvious
heavy sail
But eh’ he’s better than me
undone jacinth
but he's just being dramatic
strong forum
from my experience, tanks usually know the most and are more capable people
uneven mason
Heals you have to tunnel the bars
strong forum
uneven mason
we has motivate ¯_(ツ)_/¯
undone jacinth
from my experience, tanks usually know the most and are more capable people
this and also they get way less mechanics to deal with
so can see everything
look at frames etc
and their output is not required
uneven mason
so can see everything
IDK about that, I Mostly see monster balls
#Firstpersonbestperson
chilly brook
Idk I'm usually too busy looking for red shadows in a sea of red
heavy sail
I don’t know if capable is the word I’d use, I think the type of people who elect to tank generally have more confidence and leadership skill.
undone jacinth
I have my bleeds on name plate and I just cant even see hungerings nameplate
uneven mason
My favorite fight for monster balls was Nightwing in Karazhan
heavy sail
But yeah I guess capable describes that
uneven mason
back in TBC
undone jacinth
But yeah I guess capable describes that
haha
uneven mason
no matter how you spun your camera you could only see orange and black
undone jacinth
didnt play tbc :<
uneven mason
Confidence; Read "Ego"
heavy sail
Not sure what I’m gonna play in TBC classic, I played Hpally at the time.
heavy sail
Thinking warlock
undone jacinth
how long did u stick wtih classic for
undone jacinth
pretty cool tbh
heavy sail
After I got it I was just content, didn’t feel a need to keep playing
open monolith
I can't wait to not play TBC classic just like I didn't play normal classic 🙂
undone jacinth
classic has such a good vibe just wasnt the same not playing with like 10 mates or whatever
uneven mason
I stayed with classic until the first raid night rolled around and the dudes I had joined were like WHY DON'T YOU HAVE #Laundrylistofpointlessbuffs YOU'LL SCREW OUR PARSE!!!
uneven mason
I was like 🖕 ya'll need help if you think this is hard
undone jacinth
trying to imagine someone saying that in vanilla lmao
heavy sail
Make your own guild 
open monolith
the magic of vanilla was... not knowing shit. Not knowing exactly what was optimal. Not knowing every mechanic. Not having sims.
that magic is long gone.
uneven mason
Literally got into an argument about Fury being #1 DPS
undone jacinth
yeah sock
and also social
there werent really good online social channels available
so it was a massive social experience
like playing with all your mates
open monolith
Yep. Classic doesn't recapture what made vanilla fun.
heavy sail
The journey of hitting level cap in classic is most of the fun imo
undone jacinth
100%
heavy sail
There’s pretty much no real endgame
undone jacinth
the levelling is amazing
undone jacinth
even though my warrior is still stuck in a cave somewhere unable to get out with a 20min res timer
open monolith
Diablo 4 waiting room, tbh
undone jacinth
watching people going for r14
was when I knew classic was just awful
and should be abandoned
turning a game in to that shambles
heavy sail
Oh yeah r14 is absurdly cancer
undone jacinth
depressing
heavy sail
I thought about grinding for it
But it’s inhuman the time it takes
Like you have to literally treat WoW like a job
10 hour days every day
For like 2 straight months
open monolith
I had been struggling so hard to get even a +15 done on time (with this guild I joined who are mostly okayish at best players)
like I was so confused, we're all geared, we know the shit, what is going on?
and then I started clearing 15s on a 197 ilvl holy pally
oh.
We didn't have any good healers LOL
undone jacinth
maybe it was the tank... 😉
open monolith
lol
man I was doing the pulls right, not getting hit, pressing muh buttons
DPS was constantly dying... stopped as soon as I started healing
heavy sail
Tbh healing does feel better
If only because you’re more in control than the tank is
For the most part
heavy sail
As long as the tank is following an extremely basic route and doing the minimum
Healers control pretty much everything
heavy sail
I would agree past like 15+
But I think it’s important, but less so, than throughput at lower keys
Because you can heal through most everything up to that point
undone jacinth
well you cant really do good routes lower yeah
heavy sail
As long as everyone is doing mechanics
uneven mason
I considered making my own guild in classic but the new EQ TLP had just opened up so I made one there instead for the first bit
heavy sail
I made a guild with like a dozen online and irl friends
open monolith
my guild's healers who like to do m+ are all.... real bad lol
heavy sail
It was very comfy
open monolith
like, inability to pay attention to mechanicswhile dpsing and healing.
and... wow, holy pally feels SOO GOOD right now
it is fun af.
heavy sail
Most of them eventually quit or moved to SL though so we officially disbanded the guild
open monolith
I still don't like raid healing, but dungeon healing feels great
heavy sail
Might remake it if there’s continuity from classic to TBC
open monolith
I imagine there will be continuity
heavy sail
Blizz hasn’t officially announced anything though
open monolith
for different reasons
uneven mason
fresh TBC would be best
open monolith
my favorite, ilke most people, is wotlk
but I still won't play a "classic" wotlk
it isn't possible to recapture what made it special
heavy sail
I honestly think my favorite is MoP
open monolith
I was young, I had time.
heavy sail
I feel like MoP is such an underrated expansion, or was
I guess people view it more favorably now
open monolith
I didn't play MoP or WoD
uneven mason
She pushed the TLP servers for EQ bigtime, ended up being what is keeping Darkpaw games afloat
heavy sail
But enough with each of them that I just didn’t feel like logging in
Yeah I felt like I was done with WoD after like a month lol
Just logged out, canceled sub
No content.
I mean the content that was there was decent
uneven mason
I mythic raided for the first half, got booted from my mythic team when I requested to swap back to Fury warrior (since they had fixed it) over Resto Shaman
heavy sail
It just felt like they released it turbo unfinished and never actually fixed it
uneven mason
they put too many resources into Garrisons
open monolith
Look. All I'm saying is the only game I would play a TRUE classic server of, is RIFT (not the bullshit "prime" server they put out recently)
chilly brook
WoD for all the crap it got had some pretty good class designs imo
uneven mason
and then stripped half the team at launch to work on Legion
rather than contiuing to make content for WoD
chilly brook
Look. All I'm saying is the only game I would play a TRUE classic server of, is ...
Facts
heavy sail
Yeah I don’t hate WoD conceptually, I actually liked it at first
open monolith
server first lord greenscale, by the way
undone jacinth
bruh rift was literally wow
uneven mason
Rift release patch
heavy sail
I just didn’t have shit to do
undone jacinth
just ugly
chilly brook
server first lord greenscale, by the way
Loved that raid dude
uneven mason
Nothing but tank Clerics and ChloroNecLocmancers
chilly brook
Trion literally knew how to make a good game
uneven mason
Yeah they put basically all of WOD Development resources into doing legion
uneven mason
Trion gave in to to many complaints
heavy sail
That’s how it felt for sure.
heavy sail
Like they just released WoD and then immediately started working on legion lol
Wasnt WoD only like 16 months long or some shit
open monolith
watch the "death of a game" series about RIFT
uneven mason
they were working on legion before WOD was released
uneven mason
it was Metzen's final hurrah
basically the core story of Warcraft was brought to a conclusion with Legion
midnight stone
They're working on every xpac before the "next" one launches
open monolith
I can't wait for "World of Warcraft: Rise of the Void Lords"
uneven mason
but with the WOD/Legion mess they hired a ton of new people and didn't train them then basically pushed more resources into Legion rather than taking the time to flesh out WoD, hence the term "that'll cost you a raid tier" because they admitted in interview - Garrisons cost WoD a 3rd raid tier.
undone jacinth
wod was dope tbh
heavy sail
I liked WoD conceptually more than BfA
chilly brook
WoD was a really cool idea
uneven mason
Oh don't get me wrong I liked WoD it was the lack of WoD that bothered me
I'm all about them Orcs
chilly brook
It just had shitty execution
I was actually so hype for WoD
The raids were cool af too
uneven mason
I saw that vid
chilly brook
PvP was amazing
uneven mason
Blackhand still my #1 favorite
heavy sail
SL is my favorite PVP in like
uneven mason
Only got AoTC on him
heavy sail
Forever
uneven mason
yeah SL is doing PVP right
heavy sail
Yeah
heavy sail
No like you queue up and the arena games are match made
uneven mason
I know 😛