So thatd be 6am for me lmao
#protection
chilly brook
vague jetty
We raided 4 hours a week in nyalotha, 6 hours this week. Anything more than that IMO you should be 6-7 bosses in at least
Tier*
Not week
chilly brook
9am EST is 5PM moscow
Only a russian would know this
twilit siren
next week we can use Mikanikos or we will stay at Pelagos?
uneven mason
Only a russian would know this
Or google
undone jacinth
google = russian
twilit siren
Venthyr Protection is useable for M+ and Raiding? 😛 Just asking
ocean yoke
youll get a lot more use of it in raids than m+
timber lagoon
Venthyr is fine for prot offspec
That's what I do, spear would be nice for trash but can pump condemn on bosses
timber lagoon
That too
And rage gen
But unless you're trying to push really high you'll be fine
undone jacinth
you will be more than fine
timber lagoon
Are you venthyr now or kyrian?
misty tartan
Last week 226 haste vers shield, this week 226 haste vers weapon. Life's good
fringe oyster
The wall better or thunder lord for mostly mythic. Plus
twilit siren
Are you venthyr now or kyrian?
kyrian
ocean yoke
comes down to preference really, the wall is really popular here though
i like it more
timber lagoon
The more consistent rage gen feels really good
misty tartan
I also prefer the wall. I feel I'm not taking nearly full advantage of thunderbird in m+ too much kiting and saving demo for next pack
uneven mason
TW big fun
fringe oyster
Ok imma build a wall and make torghast pay for it thanks y’all
sacred quarry
Anyone know of a weak aura or addon that detects if you are hit in the back?
fringe oyster
For every time I get stabbed in the back
Yes lol
torn gulch
good evening
is anyone using a beating abomination core how it is working for you?
i have a 181 version and it does between 8 and 14-15% of my healing per dungeon
seems like a very good trinket
astral crystal
Ok imma build a wall and make torghast pay for it thanks y’all
lol
torn gulch
why are WQ trinkets so broken for some classes
wq trinket with 12% vers on a 90s cooldown
strong forum
good evening
is anyone using a beating abomination core how it is working for yo...
No, it used to be good on beta but it's nerfed and not 226 ilvl
torn gulch
it does close to 15% of my healing
i know there are other better trinkets but the one from dos does not drop
outer solstice
well 15% of nothing is still close to nothing
strong forum
well fuck
its 20 haste loss but 50 crit gain and 19 ilvl for ring
or pick anime when i have 210 in bags
patent osprey
Draven soulbind blows btw, at least right now. The stone ability only healed me 25k to 50k in an entire dungeon
patent osprey
tested it though 4 dungeons last night
modern brook
getting a good one is op
strong forum
Draven soulbind blows btw, at least right now. The stone ability only healed me ...
F
patent osprey
def pick nadiya from now on ^.^
modern brook
this mf has a plague of bounty smh
mighty valley
yeah i'm on the 2x endurance conduits plus exacting preparation path for nadija just now
might go draven in raid once his bottom row opens up
modern brook
Draven soulbind blows btw, at least right now. The stone ability only healed me ...
isnt the stone ability just DR? would that show up on meters?
strong forum
wotn shows up on healing done
cuz it acts as absorb
and this service in stone acts the same way
the dmg it prevents is shown in healing meter
guess im a trinketboi now
jagged pier
guess im a trinketboi now
modern brook
Better than being a ringboi tbh
sweet summit
hot
ionic fern
Ah. i'm finally a real tank.
sweet summit
p o g g e r s
sweet summit
brisk rain
can I block evasive lunge and whatever riposte on council?
timber nest
Anyone here playing Venthyr prot?
timber lagoon
Yes
timber nest
what last conduit are you going with for Draven?
the crit one? strength one? or the stamina one?
timber lagoon
Mmm not sure yet. That unlocks next week right?
timber nest
i just unlo9cked
sweet summit
can I block evasive lunge and whatever riposte on council?
yes
sweet summit
i just go nadija
brisk rain
hmm
sweet summit
turn 180 after he tps
sweet summit
cant block from behind
sweet summit
but im not sure which conduit i should take
this is what i run
jagged pier
what do we think upgrade?
sweet summit
id use pvp neck
strong forum
PVP
sweet summit
thats a big neck for pumping tho
timber nest
@sweet summit i dont run Nadija though, i go draven
sweet summit
nothing is stopping you from running nadjia 🤔
timber nest
i know, but i feel like the DR below 40% hp is nice
wild sandal
with pelogs do u go 3 endurance and 1 potency or 2 each?
since it fortifed with the extra endrance help or not needed?
outer solstice
can I block evasive lunge and whatever riposte on council?
have you seen the cheat-sheet by sense? it's in the pins it doesn't only list the reflectables but also the blockables ^^
uneven mason
have you seen the cheat-sheet by sense? it's in the pins it doesn't only list th...
Don't expect warriors to read.
outer solstice
oh well I'm a gnome warrior
brisk rain
ye i checked it later
outer solstice
shrug
brisk rain
;]
outer solstice
the 2 points of higher base intelligence may have changed thigs for me for along time
until they took it away
now I'm a real warrior
pastel vector
When we are looking at Tank parses, what are we looking at? Just damage done or?
chilly brook
Yes
pastel vector
nvm answered my own question
twilit siren
noob question but 220 shield is better than 213 from Anima Bead yes?
signal plover
The
dark lark
THE
signal plover
THE
signal plover
Tea
uneven mason
👢 🍵 👏
blazing condor
strong forum
yes
chrome osprey
Just checked the pins, shout out to those that help put it together. Thanks!
uneven mason
the cheetsheet is because we noticed the same 4 questions got asked hourly
heady ivy
What is it best to spend conquest on if im just mainly interested in pve? I already have a shield so i suppose a weapon would be nice too?
ionic fern
A weapon would be nice indeed
fallen rose
what are the ideal stats for M+?
fringe badger
Anyone doing +15 as prot on time around 205 ilvl?
fallen rose
i feel i'm a bit vers heavy
valid zodiac
With a lot of downtime due to kiting I just did +15 HoA and Burrs did 6.1% of the overall dmg. Not bad
jagged pier
Anyone doing +15 as prot on time around 205 ilvl?
ppl have i was around 210 i think
ionic fern
Jeah, burrs is really good.
jagged pier
what are the ideal stats for M+?
ilvl
ionic fern
I'm thinking of going NF as well now that Niya has Burrs. 👀
jagged pier
no thats the most important stat
fallen rose
i an get to 30% but then i am on 20% hast
ionic fern
i feel i'm a bit vers heavy
Yes, i did +15 on time at 206 ilvl
And plenty of others as well.
jagged pier
i an get to 30% but then i am on 20% hast
just as highest ilvl you can get with as much haste you can have
fallen rose
what would an ideal amount of hast be when not running into the fray
uneven mason
whatever your highest ilvl stuff gives you
jagged pier
^^
mellow patio
As much as you c an get your paws on with high ilvl
mellow patio
366
uneven mason
OVER 9000! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
fallen rose
stats with all my highest ilvls on
mellow patio
deft vessel
what would an ideal amount of hast be when not running into the fray
higher than the haste you have 😄
uneven mason
stat % literally don't matter, we're here for armor
mellow patio
🚪
uneven mason
🧱
uneven mason
🤘
woeful vine
lol
fallen rose
good to know
chilly brook
Stop thinking in terms of how much of a stat you should have
It's irrelevant
Unless you're fully 226 and have options to choose from
chilly brook
So if you dont have two choices between two items of the same ilvl it's as simple as picking the one with the highest number attached to the ilvl
timber nest
hmm, so i went venthyr because i was supposed to DPS in a guild. that guild didnt work out, now im back to tanking m+ and heroic raids. kinda feeling like going back to Kyrian...
what do you all think?
pure sun
I mean sometimes stats matter more
fallen rose
if you dont pvp NF might be better
uneven mason
I mean sometimes stats matter more
Lets not get into semantics
pure sun
If you have a 226 crit mastery or some garbage and a 223 haste vers
amber herald
just do it on the reset or else there's a mechanic where changing back to a covenant is bad
or something
I don't remember
timber nest
just sucks because I have to do all the campaign over again 😦
chilly brook
If you have a 226 crit mastery or some garbage and a 223 haste vers
No
You'd still go 226
uneven mason
there isn't anything in Venthyr that is going to hold you back
pure sun
I disagree
chilly brook
More stats>ideal stats
timber nest
i miss my spear 😮
deft vessel
Let's see, finally getting around to my vault...Is this the week? IS THIS THE WEEK I FINALLY GET A NEW SHIELD?????
deft vessel
the answer is a resounding no
uneven mason
Let's see, finally getting around to my vault...Is this the week? IS THIS THE WE...
Are you me, because besides being a tauren that looks like me
chilly brook
Or relevant to the person's situation
pure sun
Id rather have 1% less damage from mythic darkveins dmg than do 1% more crit
jagged pier
at 226
uneven mason
"220+ everwhere" but fuck that offhand slot in particular
chilly brook
1% more crit is also damage reduction dummy
chilly brook
/ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
pure sun
Ay man you do you but some stat prio is better esp in higher tier content
uneven mason
I mean
chilly brook
More parrys could easily add up to the 1% youd gain from vers
deft vessel
it doesn't look that amazing without any main stat ;-;
deft vessel
lyric meteor
the answer is a resounding no
Id give my left nut for that ring / neck
chilly brook
True
deft vessel
really tired of my vault being dumb and me never getting a shield despite probably hundreds of m+ dungeons that can drop one
all above 12
;-;
uneven mason
really tired of my vault being dumb and me never getting a shield despite probab...
everyone in my raid has literally gotten a 213 or higher shield, even the people who re rolled new mains 4 weeks in
deft vessel
how bad/good is this one
uneven mason
the good news is, that everyone will be going a spec that can loot that OH item tonight when I kill artificer
timber nest
@deft vessel p bad
uneven mason
so, my chances of getting a shield are higher than 0
the necklace will be better than taking that spike
chilly brook
uneven mason
not by much tho
chilly brook
Spoiler alert
deft vessel
jagged pier
1% more crit is also damage reduction dummy
also 1% crit is more damage and boss cant kill you if its dead
uneven mason
gloves are better Diruuo
I mean, all of our stats contribute to defense/damage
almost equally
the only thing haste has over the others is increasing your SB uptime
rather your potential SB availability
deft vessel
I mean, I know, but it's still meh
chilly brook
I mean, all of our stats contribute to defense/damage
But magic damage bro
uneven mason
but on something like, Lady D the tank swap is often enough that you're going to have near 100% effective uptime on SB
deft vessel
I already took a weapon upgrade last week with no haste, but 226 weapon vs. my old 207 so you know, easy choice
uneven mason
But magic damage bro
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
chilly brook
Your block time is kinda fucked on darkvein because sometimes you actually have to turn your back
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
pure sun
griff whats ur current prog
jagged pier
Your block time is kinda fucked on darkvein because sometimes you actually have ...
THIS 
chilly brook
Griff is a parse whore
In fairness I play with a prot pally I'm forced to be a parse whore
mighty valley
sin stained at 226 is pretty great, why cry
mighty valley
turn to the dark side and IP won't even make top 5
chilly brook
THIS <:pepsihands:589678101446000670>
You play with game sound on?
chilly brook
turn to the dark side and IP won't even make top 5
I've considered it
We were like 1% of her health off of missing the first cast of adds
And I was like "condemn would be the difference"
stray sierra
Does anyone know if u switched covenants once, can u go back without any penalties? (I know u start from 1 renown again)
Did they remove the thing thwt made it a pain to go back?
chilly brook
Does anyone know if u switched covenants once, can u go back without any penalti...
It takes two weeks
But it's technically really just one
Do it before reset
Do it right after
Boom
Back in
rancid ember
If you're going back to a covenant you already were everything should be the same as you left it. Anima/Reknown/Conduits.
stray sierra
what do u mean
rancid ember
Going to a new one means you start back at 1
rancid ember
So whatever you were as Venthyr is where you will pick up again
rancid ember
Since you want to switch back you have to go through a "Trial" of sorts.
ionic fern
It basically means you have to do some WQ's in the Covenants place.
Then wait for the reset.
And do some more WQ's.
rancid ember
Essentially it takes 2 'resets' but if you do it on Monday, you can be done by the following Tuesday if you do the requirements like world quests / dungeons
ionic fern
SO it's just a pointless timegate.
rancid ember
^
Mwahi during that timegate do you have access to anything from your Cov do you know?
ionic fern
From, your old COvenant.
rancid ember
So in his case he will be Kyrian until the 'pledge' is completed?
ionic fern
Yes
rancid ember
Ok that's not horrible. I thought maybe it would leave you in limbo
sage shell
Hey guys, please tell me. Is condemm that bad for prot?
I watched one guide in which some guy favoured venth over kyrian
Then I realized that top m+ prot warrior is also venthyr
And now I wonder..
sick sentinel
if all the choices were balanced and it didnt matter i would have gone necrolord
weak flower
to be completely honest with you I doubt having condemn would have saved my imperfect tanking as many times as the spear did during m+ trash
weak flower
if you push extremely high keys were every bit of tank dps is key then yeah but otherwise I'd go kyrian
that's just my personal opinion tho
sage shell
Yes but above that I don't want to limit myself only to prot
And cand see me as arms playing kyrian 😄
weak flower
;p then why did you even ask, I'd get my covenant for the main spec I play
phial + spear in pvp is superior imo to condemn + DOS
sage shell
fair enough
mighty valley
counterpoint: venthyr is cool and hot
do what you want, follow your dreams, they're all viable obviously
sage shell
Ok, then I'll go necro ;p
mighty valley
do it!
sage shell
no!
mighty valley
everyone's gonna have egg on their face when necrolords get some new hot thing in a major patch that makes them busted
sage shell
But what if not? Thats too risky, I'm sweating
chilly brook
Hey guys, please tell me. Is condemm that bad for prot?
No it just has no value outside of single target. Your covenant ability WILL NOT be the realistic difference in your ability to do content
Can it have an impact and make some things easier? Yes
Is it the thing that will hold you back? No
midnight stone
Went live with weekly reset
undone jacinth
we definitely cant get 31 renown this week right? 😛
undone jacinth
fook
amber herald
kyrian fury is really good in m+ for trash
chilly brook
Are the dungeon nerfs live everywhere already ?
Yes they went in with reset
wispy solar
for next patch, will we equip two legendaries? if so.. how about the Wall and Unbreakable Will?
chilly brook
No one knows
And I assume unbreakable will is the shield wall for other people?
If so no
Trash tbh
Youd likely see Wall+TL or one of those two mixed with Signet if they fix it
wispy solar
i know but trying to think outside the box here.. for old timers and returning players like our gang.. to.. damper the damage for all that are unawared of let's say.. some affix like bursting perhaps
good ol' prot warrior like to care a bit too much about others
but i hear ya for sure
summer lagoon
Anybody notices if any stat goes to waste after certain margin?
I've like 42% haste with my anima emitter and 32% master but am pretty low on vers, I have 8
should i maybe swap a bit of haste for vers, as my and my guildy were talking about this
wispy solar
would a bit of haste squeeze one more block or would you need lots more for your GCD. Sometimes you better wait for a secondary trinket to reorganize your build / talents. And keeping your idea close by for that moment
chilly brook
should i maybe swap a bit of haste for vers, as my and my guildy were talking ab...
Equip ilvl
Dont worry about your stats
When you have multiple 226 items in that slot you can start playing around with trying to get haste vers on everything
Until then ilvl is king
wispy solar
true that
chilly brook
i know but trying to think outside the box here.. for old timers and returnin...
The problem with that line of thinking is that you're sacrificing a major defensive CD that has a very real place in your defensive rotation in order to try and save other people, when they have their own defensives and healers and dps in your group even have group defensive abilities
summer lagoon
was thinking the same, but for sake of mythic+ I wanted to check if maybe getting a bit more versa can be good
wispy solar
we were just talking about that yesterday. dd have to know the fights for sake of healers
summer lagoon
running 14 and 15 with prot warrior is a nightmare
chilly brook
14s and 15s isn't bad at all as prot
Especially not with the changes for dungeons that just went live
ocean bloom
yeah prot is really tanky we have so much CD during pulls
chilly brook
summer lagoon
with the new changes probably
still have PTSD from before
also nobody takes warriors
ocean bloom
very rarely do i feel like a pull is too hard unless something is going wrong
also getting a good shield helps a lot
patent osprey
also nobody takes warriors
We will change their minds 🙂
wispy solar
Immune. if you play warrior like a DH and jump ahead never looking back, never using LoS or looking back at what's going on.. leaving trash where they stand.. you wont compete with them. If you pull them to you, have em stacked in a 1-2 yards radius by a corner wall or what not.. this is how you leave a mark in their minds
this is how one tank can leave a mark, this one way among other ways
pulling them to where you want them.. often leaves the range an extra 1-2 seconds to anticipate, instead of trying to catch up one mile away before they can start casting
i find we get more burst that way
undone jacinth
pika are u necrolord yet or what
patent osprey
pika are u necrolord yet or what
sire isn't dead yet ^.^ but .... ill probably have to go kyrian...
undone jacinth
u wot
patent osprey
the people im playing with, we won't have a kyrian unless we run with double melee all the time
undone jacinth
u got a sham necrolord or something?
mighty valley
sad to see you go :< but it'll leave me one step closer to number one venthyr prot warrior on the server
woeful vine
We will change their minds 🙂
agreed
deft vessel
Brief rant - I am so fucking fed up with LFG. I genuinely can not find a DOS 15 group. I've done every other dungeon at 15 in time, almost all of them in the previous week with the shit affixes, yet I can't even get into a DOS group.
1280 r.io prot warrior, 216 equipped, can't even get invited in a 15
patent osprey
u got a sham necrolord or something?
yeah shaman... that is still raiding is necrolrod
patent osprey
monk atm
me - Venthyr
Rogue - NF
Mage - NF
Monk - Kyrian
Shaman - Necro
i think most groups just forgo the necro eventually though
its just not impactful enough
undone jacinth
ya
although I do think its a bit underrated in top maybe
guess the timer is just lenient enough
man it never felt like there would be a world where two melee in m+ would be a bad thing
waxen cradle
melee this week feels like ass, had a DH dps in a key earlier and I swear he was fel rushing into Storming spawns
double eye beam off the pull and standing right on Storms
mighty valley
I end up repositioning a lot to save melee from themselves
and like, avoid fighting in tiny ass corridors lol
undone jacinth
theres actually a pack in mists you could do with ccing inspire in
who woulda thought it
misty tartan
theres actually a pack in mists you could do with ccing inspire in
Double healer pack? I pugged a 15 there today and we disbanded over that pull. Group leader insisted on fighting through the heal
modern gale
and like, avoid fighting in tiny ass corridors lol
I do this too, only to have the ranged/healer stand in them
undone jacinth
Double healer pack? I pugged a 15 there today and we disbanded over that pull. G...
yes!
undone jacinth
and do no damage 😛
mighty valley
the guy in my groups is a hipster frost dk, so he doesn't lose much by doing it
amber herald
looks correct to me
gentle hamlet
As venthyr, do i replace IP entirely with condemn/Harrowing Punishment during the first and last 20% of the boss?
dense flame
Think of it more like replacing revenge
waxen cradle
Yeah seems a pretty accurate grade for tanks
gentle hamlet
bet, thanks bloodguilt
dense flame
IP is still your defensive rage spender
gentle hamlet
i have been doing that, i just wanted to make sure i was still putting a decent damage output
so as long as everyone selse isnt just full on replacing the defensive spender, ill stay safe with the IP casts
patent osprey
As venthyr, do i replace IP entirely with condemn/Harrowing Punishment during th...
you should always think of condemn as, am I dying? no = condemn spam, yes= save rage for mitigation like shield block or ip
mighty valley
Sometimes you can spend most of your rage on condemn! Sometimes you can spend it ALL on condemn, it all comes with feel and experience
patent osprey
sometimes I don't even use shield block :) cause I'm using that rage to condemn
prot war is all just experience and knowing what will or will not kill you
misty tartan
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/220668969948938240/806682861512032307/u...
Is that based on amount of completed keys or what's going on?
dense flame
Think so.
gentle hamlet
its based on 1588 16 to 22 keys
misty tartan
Well if not many play prot then not many will complete keys
dense flame
Yeah exactly. Sorry, was meming when linked.
misty tartan
Yeaj
waxen cradle
We just simply cannot kite and do our entire rotation while kiting as some tanks can whom will remain nameless.
digital hawk
@patent osprey are you the guy
misty tartan
I think ppl see this graph and think it's tank strength. Not that prot is so strong but we aren't dumpsters for 16-18 at least
waxen cradle
I will say that at least in the keys I have already done this week, the Storms that spawn must sparkle really beautiful colors because my god
melee dps can't stay out of them
waxen cradle
lol
misty tartan
Yeah those storms can fuck off. Somehow my life saving intervene path is always blocked by storms too
waxen cradle
I mean I love standing in a pretty swirly storm as much as the next guy but when you have 3 or 4 mobs casting and I get one of the casts and the other 3 hit me because well the melee are enjoying playing in the air, well it feelsbadman
To be fair I get one cast and SReflect the other so, ok 2 hit me, and then if the mobs are not dead and the melee are still playing in the air, well again yeah... moral of the story.... sorry melee no love for you this week
undone jacinth
/cheer
deft vessel
eeeeh finally got a DOS invite and got into a group that just...did the basics of the dungeon right
unique shale
lol
undone jacinth
picture isnt loading but im guessing its a ksm mount
amber herald
it is
deft vessel
yes yes
amber herald
gg
undone jacinth
gz
undone jacinth
does that put you in to top 10 wars on ur serv
deft vessel
I've been top 10 for a bit on Argent Dawn
undone jacinth
thats fookin sad
unique shale
how do you guys tank this week healers seems dying under healing me
undone jacinth
I like that you have your dmg meter in reverse order
to make urself feel better
good technique
deft vessel
hah
less that
I attached it to my minimap in teh bottom right of the screen
and removed the border
and then....i realized it looked mega weird in normal order
so i reversed it xD
unique shale
deft vessel
though hey now, I think I do okay damage wise as prot ;-;
undone jacinth
looks like i'm looking at your game in a mirror
deft vessel
teh above is overall for the DOS run
undone jacinth
seems pretty decent
cant really remember what my bear does
probably not a lot more
deft vessel
considering the amount of kiting in the first part of the dungeon with the dumb skeletons
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224> are you the guy
what do you mean lol
deft vessel
I literally chuck some weapons at them (ravager and spear) and run away
deft vessel
yeah...
patent osprey
I literally chuck some weapons at them (ravager and spear) and run away
Taunt ones ur losing aggro, keep chucking heroic throw while tabbing to evenly distribute threat. Spam TC on CD cause u still get rage whether u hit something or not.
deft vessel
aye I know, I do that to the best of my ability
stiff wagon
Does demoralizing shout effect all dmg (physical + magical) only physical?
deft vessel
all damage
unique shale
any tanking tip for this week
deft vessel
take it easy and don't overpull more than you're comfortable with
this week is pretty straight forward
I did my NW, SD and PF 15s last week, that wasn't very fun
well actually I think I did all but 2 of the dungeons last week on 15
spires I did the week before that (fortified spires pre-nerf of last guy also not very fun) and HoA also, the rest were last week except the DOS today
unique shale
nice i am claiming my way to 13 and 14 now 🙂
mighty valley
any tips for speeding up other side? for me it's the one where everything can go extremely smooth and we still don't time it lol
deft vessel
nice, gogogo, get that mount
deft vessel
any tips for speeding up other side? for me it's the one where everything can go...
pull a bit bigger in ardenweald
the first 3-4 packs can be pulled together more or less
the two sets of moths, the little guys and the patrolling elderhorns (or whatever they're called)
then another set of packs (2 or 3 depending on where the pathing ones are) can also be pulled together
unique shale
where can i get route ?
deft vessel
then pride, and another big pull with urn behind the pillar of the 5 bird things + the little guys
unique shale
icy veins have not updated yet
deft vessel
I suggest you devise your own routes but if you want some guidance raider.io has routes here: https://raider.io/news/175-the-weekly-route-fortified-inspiring-storming-and-prideful
unique shale
nvm it is
mighty valley
thanks, yeah, I think that'll help - every accidental huge pull is never actually threatening in ardenweald so I just gotta do more on purpose
deft vessel
if you're not comfortable with the giant pulls
then pull two packs at a time in ardenweald
unique shale
I suggest you devise your own routes but if you want some guidance raider.io has...
made up route is good but 99% pugs like to do standard routes
deft vessel
well, sure, but you're the tank, you set the pace and the route
you know better than the pug DPS what you're comfortable with
undone jacinth
if you’re doing the standard ardenweald route doing two triple pulls at the start is perfect for pride
deft vessel
for example I tend to run my own NW route (many do the circle platform after the ice skeleton dude and skip ice skeleton dude) I tend to do the necro on the left, get goliath and do ice skeleton dude
unique shale
no i don't do two triple pulls even if route say it
deft vessel
many also skip the 4 sets of necrotic bolt casters
unique shale
i did triple pulls in hoa with bl
deft vessel
while you can completely demolish that pack cus you get pride and the orb that interrupts
even on fortified you can demolish it
mighty valley
ardenweald triple pulls are nowhere near as threatening as HOA triple pulls
undone jacinth
the triple pulls in ardenweald aren’t tough
nimble drift
Anyone got a mists weakaura for the maze?
barren socket
I think necrotic wake is actually one of the easiest after the nerf
unique shale
many also skip the 4 sets of necrotic bolt casters
i do but pugs always pulling it for me so i leaving always
deft vessel
indeed
or stagger the pulls even if your healer's mana is keeping up
as one set starts dying pull the next pack
still speeds it up a tad
mighty valley
yeah NW is borderline pleasant, you just erase the bosses with the weapons
and the worst trash is fine now
deft vessel
I enjoy NW because I feel more in control of the dungeon as the tank, in part because I'm Kyrian and in part because I've....done it a fuckton trying to fish for a shield (unsuccessfully)
mental quiver
any prots ever ran with Signet of tormented kings lego?
undone jacinth
try to avoid chain pulling like that, sucks for dps :p
unique shale
I enjoy NW because I feel more in control of the dungeon as the tank, in part be...
omg you like nw ?!
deft vessel
¯_(ツ)_/¯
undone jacinth
any prots ever ran with Signet of tormented kings lego?
yeah
unique shale
wild bread here
mighty valley
the NW nerfs were huuuuuuuuuuge
deft vessel
path for reference
I enjoyed it even before nerfs, hell I got my 15 before nerfs
actually wait, no, i think I Had some of the nerfs in place
the necrotic bolt nerf was there
and some of the trash nerfs
mighty valley
i'd still prefer to skip caster miniboss on inspiring week, though maybe the nerfs were enough
undone jacinth
doesn’t orb go through inspire
barren socket
yeah I orb that pack
mighty valley
fucked up if true
barren socket
little mobs insta die
mental quiver
@undone jacinth you get any decent value from it? thinking of making it my 1st lego for prot alt since i can still use it for dps too
undone jacinth
all dungeon specials do afaik
deft vessel
literally always orb that pack
there's no better pack to orb
well
that's an exaggeeration
any set of casters that you struggle with
deft vessel
usually the 4 dudes or the big necromancer pack before second boss
and yeah the necropolis is good to orb if you can save it indeed
but on fortified I wouldn't risk it
barren socket
usually you get pride before that miniboss pack right?
deft vessel
a missed volley kick (or inspired volley) can be real bad already
mighty valley
at least you don't even drop it on death now
deft vessel
before the set of 4 necrotic bolt casters, yes, you usually get pride before it (if you're not skipping it)
some skip it
undone jacinth
<@!132546192105144320> you get any decent value from it? thinking of making it m...
It does damage and can give you a lot of rage... it’s ok, bit annoying that you can’t interrupt during bladestorm... personally I think it’s totally fine especially if you play dps, it’s just up to you 🙂
it’s not gonna prevent you doing good keys or anything
undone jacinth
a missed volley kick (or inspired volley) can be real bad already
If I wasn’t orbing it I’d just never pull that pack
amber herald
deft vessel
it's fine on tyrannical weeks tbh
tall cloud
the necromancer pack felt ok to not orb today, then again i'm only doing 14s
undone jacinth
How am I meant to read these weird graphs
amber herald
dunno
deft vessel
to be fair, during BfA prot wasn't as dominant as vengeance is right now, and, ironically, they're not as far apart in power as they were in BfA
community perception is just far far far worse this time around
(for prot warrior in this case)
amber herald
what's up with guardian?
undone jacinth
Less frost DKs doing high keys than survival hunters... less by hunters than survival hunters... yikes
lime thistle
woof thats a rough statistic
tall cloud
streamers arent running prot, so naturally it's garbage now
undone jacinth
what's up with guardian?
what do you mean?
deft vessel
well it was pretty mediocre in BfA and it got infinitely more dull to play compared to Legion so I stopped playing mine
undone jacinth
perceived as a boring spec I think
tall cloud
i feel guardian is the most boring tank spec to play
amber herald
yeah fair enough
undone jacinth
I’m correct lmao
amber herald
it's my alt for that reason lmao
sit back, talk shit with friends and spam thrash/swipe
deft vessel
now it's less dull and not quite as mediocre so it's picked up a bit
undone jacinth
it’s my main, rip me I guess
deft vessel
but still relatively dull
tall cloud
swipe, swipe, thrash, swipe, swipe, thrash, zzzzzzz
undone jacinth
I mean if I didn’t have convoke I would have rerolled
deft vessel
they're really quite sturdy too, not a bad tank at all this season
undone jacinth
but I do have it
amber herald
incarn was hilarious last week with UFR
tall cloud
guardians are fine as tanks, just boring to play 🙂
deft vessel
but then again, do you really need more than one druid in teh group? with how popular balance is right now....
deft vessel
let me be clear, for the vast majority of the player base that doesn't matter, good play will get you the furthest
but the perception is like that, particularly if you use LFG a lot
my KSM is via LFG entirely
for what that's worth lol
undone jacinth
I legit don’t invite druids to my keys because I don’t want two oranges
deft vessel
though to be fair, the real struggle to get invited to was DOS for some inexplicable reason
everything else was fine and I didn't have to search too long
mighty valley
i'm never pugging more than one player. so my comps are usually terrible, but I trust everyone, and no one leaves for random reasons lol
tall cloud
dos can be rough, lots of magic damage
undone jacinth
they also have the issue of doing rubbish damage
undone jacinth
idk if it’s just that healers are doing less damage now but feels like tank damage is more important
feral does insane st damage
deft vessel
well sure, but it's fort week
tall cloud
there's just more damage intake atm, so healers need to heal more i feel
undone jacinth
that is also my main
deft vessel
he was pretty good though, all things considered
the only "out of wack" dps in that group was the hunter but he was getting PI from the shadow priest xD
undone jacinth
it’s aoe is decent but it’s priority damage is where it shines unless you are pulling massive
it has uncapped aoe but it’s aoe is weak
deft vessel
also to answer your question of top 10 on the realm, I've been 4th...for a bit
undone jacinth
representing
deft vessel
well yeah, but there's a lot of people that are around 1.1k, it's a pretty standard distribution, that's normal
I'm almost 1.3k
amber herald
Heard preach predict enhance and feral were going to be the next meta-specs
no idea why
undone jacinth
scaling bullshit is why
tall cloud
enhance do good damage
deft vessel
it was conjecture
undone jacinth
fake news
undone jacinth
will be a waste of time
feral is already insane and next patch will be a different game
deft vessel
look at all that necrotic tyrannical xD
undone jacinth
new Legos new balance etc
amber herald
gz man, my group refuses to play on tyrannical week 😛
deft vessel
it's not that bad
amber herald
it's not, they're just pussies
deft vessel
I swear people's mental image of affixes is way worse than the actual reality of these dungeons
deft vessel
they're a week behind on affixes tho
undone jacinth
the guy was saying it was with the necro affix
deft vessel
so it's the same as the week before that for us, for them last week was fortified, spiteful, volcanic, prideful
deft vessel
there's really only I think one pain point for necrotic tyrannical and that's third boss in Plaguefall
tall cloud
fortified necrotic bolstering in two weeks
tall cloud
yeah ..
deft vessel
but yeah, necrotic is not that bad
tall cloud
it's ok if you have a coordinated group
deft vessel
nah, again, all my runs are with pugs via LFG
tall cloud
it slows down the runs tho
deft vessel
it's your responsibility first and foremost
undone jacinth
first boss top is also rough
undone jacinth
only if your group doesn’t dispel
deft vessel
well it's about damage
undone jacinth
huh
deft vessel
the shields they get at low percentages, the fixate, that's broken by damage
deft vessel
oh well i learned something new
you can soothe the first dude's (on the mount) quake thing
deft vessel
fair nuff
undone jacinth
soothe central
mighty valley
I was begging people not to dispel the fixate so I could reset stacks lol
undone jacinth
top is my favourite dungeon
deft vessel
yeah, it's a bit annoying with storming on the tiny platforms and limited space
but not too bad
undone jacinth
I’ve done over 100 tops I think
deft vessel
the 5 pull with the general is a bit sketchy this week tho
but pride + burst and it should be fine
tall cloud
hmm, general, you mean the ancient captain?
undone jacinth
ye
deft vessel
yeah whatever he's called, I'm not sure
tall cloud
just cc it
deft vessel
the 2 archers + 2 melee dudes + main guy with aura
undone jacinth
just kill it tbh
deft vessel
yeah, you get pride just before it, so it's really just a matter of pushing through it quick
deft vessel
I mean, with 45s CDs and 1min CDs you can CD most prides
I essentially always have a ravager for pride
deft vessel
true, they should indeed keep those for the pack
if used correctly they would be on cooldown anyway from the previous pack + pride
so it works out
I swear the amount of people that hold cooldowns for long periods of time do my head in
like, why
ugh
undone jacinth
I missed a spires 15 like a month ago by 2 seconds when the boomkin and Hunter held CDs for entire mob platform
didn’t even use it on the third helion thing
sat with CA waiting for boss lol triggered me so hard
deft vessel
We lusted the last dude of teh sets of 3 in my spires 15 the other week (fortified)
pre-nerf
xD
deft vessel
it's not that bad anymore
the biggest thing was the stacking debuff, that's now slowr
deft vessel
yeah, ticks every 2s now intead of every second
amber herald
wasn't it from 2% to 1%?
deft vessel
I mean, should still lust it on fortified weeks tbh
amber herald
or two nerfs
tall cloud
the damage taken debuff is 1% now, 2% before
deft vessel
oh what am i thinking of then?
but yeah, you'd lust the last guy anyway on fortified weeks, lust is not used very well on the devos fight on non-tyrannical
undone jacinth
yer
tall cloud
devos flops over on fort weeks so yeah
mighty valley
holding cooldowns is like raiding brain, as if boss damage is the only thing that matters
deft vessel
yeah but the thing is...it's bad for most raid encounters too
if you lose a whole use of a cooldown over a raid encounter
you've actually lost a significant chunk of overall damage
mighty valley
i mean, like, they're treating m+ trash like literal raid trash
where everyone turns their brains half-off until they reach the boss
deft vessel
yeaah that's maybe true
tall cloud
yeah, that wont work
mighty valley
even then i wish everyone would use CDs on raid trash lol
let's get through this boring part asap please
undone jacinth
i mean, like, they're treating m+ trash like literal raid trash
this is exactly it
because that’s what dungeons teach you to do before m+ too
tall cloud
in raids you can just pull boss to reset your cds
amber herald
The one time we invited a raider to our m+ group he spawned three prides at once because he'd never seen one before
and he heroed the first pride out of fear
all raiders are blacklisted now for me
deft vessel
to be fair blizzard shouldn't allow you to spam right click the inquisitor after the time expires
undone jacinth
I’m playing so bad in raid right now, dying to everything, can’t judge them
u ever just have a night where u become at least 50% braindead
and u forget how to play the game
tall cloud
every night
deft vessel
oh wow i just realized that 15 DOS I did i have a shield block uptime of 60%
nimble drift
Got in a group
turned out the rogue, druid, and priest i inv for my 15
were a feral, sub, and holy
I'm so fucking mad
undone jacinth
yowch
undone jacinth
where are your trees bro
undone jacinth
hides in feral main
deft vessel
eh, trees are a nice to have, not a necessity
nimble drift
regardless he was walking around in boomkin form the entire time
deft vessel
I had a priest last week (tyrannical) in plaguefall who I invited to help cleanse cus we had a shaman healer, he didn't know he could do it until the run finished
nimble drift
and then when we started he went feral
amber herald
at best he could've been sunfiring on pull lol
mighty valley
I play with a guy who's like... the number 1 feral healer in the world lol
undone jacinth
go arena xd
mighty valley
his sun king parses are... wild
like #2 healing after a mistweaver, and also good damage
undone jacinth
hotw is nuts
mighty valley
anyway he makes me feel extremely safe in m+
mighty valley
yeah our other raid tank is a prot pala
mighty valley
push KT to shade before the big add is dead
undone jacinth
they should really remove dps parses from sun king
brazen lynx
oh whoops, wrong channel
sick sentinel
what am i supposed to do about the TOP trash that reduces my damage to nothing if no healer dispell
amber herald
the big pack of 5 in the warrior bit?
fringe marten
So trying to pay for a buddies server transfer...the WoW balance gifting has a 72 hour time restriction? What's the best way to do this so it's able to be used right away?
simple mural
Ha, I'm rank 2020
fringe marten
What's the fastest way to gift someone a server transfer, and not have to wait for the 72 hours for the gifted blizzard balance?
cinder nova
How do I keep Denathrius from clobbering me dead during mirrors?
Feels like a wing and a prayer.
ionic pewter
What's the fastest way to gift someone a server transfer, and not have to wait f...
bank transfer?
brisk flax
They should really just take devastator off the talents section and just make it passive lol and redo the first tier
liven things up lol
crude whale
whats killing you during it? there could be a number of things that could kill you during second phase of sire
ocean yoke
Might be turning your back to him while youre going through
crude whale
if your getting thrown off the side your not dodging swirls when adds die
vague jetty
What soulbind do you guys prefer most for venthyr out of curiousity, not that I am venth
sick sentinel
Can't track that -100% damage cast on big wigs and not a fan of dbm
last mason
getting downvoted to hell on reddit because i suggested that its understandable for pugs to leave some shitters key after 180 deaths in their plaguefall 11
woeful vine
agreed
last mason
i mean not literally 180
but the idea of leaving a long depleted key
that is fair
and not a great sin
silver trout
yeah. esp if it was a pug key and effort was put in.. there is a point where the frustration gets to be too much
last mason
like some random pug isnt entitlted to your time
unique shale
getting downvoted to hell on reddit because i suggested that its understandable ...
never post something in Reddit or get roasted
last mason
ya that whole subb is full of such bottomfeeders
its all fake stories and "art" thats borderline porn
and people whining about leavers
unique shale
that's not people problem it is blizz problem with low loot drop why would you stay in a untime keys while you have even less chance of getting loot
in bfa i would stay in untime keys for loot but right now nah
last mason
people just want their vault shit
unique shale
then type weekly done
last mason
and sorry but i mean its not like ive known you for 15 years and youre a close friend
ur a random internet stranger
not obligated to carry you to free gear
tardy parcel
unique shale
obviously 226 neck
grand drum
19ilvl is yuge
unique shale
more stamina = more healing plus not getting one shot
neat dirge
lemme just say
ASOBIO WARIDA
@inland silo yo did u see that trailer doe?
my man LOOKIN LIT
inland silo
sand obsidian
Guild still struggling on Inerva, currently 2/3/9 and theyre talking about bringing another healer for 2/4/9. Doesn't that make it more difficult?
chilly brook
If you're struggling on inerva it's one of two things
Someone isn't draining canisters
chilly brook
Or people are failing at doing geometry
neat dirge
also guys, can u transmog to Venthyr gear if ur alt has it?
chilly brook
I'm seriously just contemplating going dps tbh
neat dirge
I CANT
chilly brook
This is so dumb
neat dirge
IM RAIDLEADER AND MT
chilly brook
neat dirge
i want venthyr gear plz
orchid frigate
dont make me want to level my rogue
jagged pier
You play with game sound on?
nope
jagged pier
how so?
jagged pier
fair enough, its not really the adds that are annoying its just sometimes you have to turn your back for like 4 seconds
good game design bliz
chilly brook
yea >.>
jagged pier
i mean they need to fix the add spawns anyway i had one that spawned the other side of the wall
near the end of the fight
and couldnt even see it
chilly brook
When they spawn on top of each other
And you're looking for the second one
But it was just in the originals model
jagged pier
^^
fringe folio
Hello. Trying to get into prot tanking. Based on wowhead I would assume that generally Thunderlord > the wall for pure mythic + content. Is that about right ?
hot quail
Hello. Trying to get into prot tanking. Based on wowhead I would assume that gen...
imo the wall and thunderlord are pretty even, thunder being more offensive while wall is more defensive. so if you have trouble living i would go wall
jagged pier
Hello. Trying to get into prot tanking. Based on wowhead I would assume that gen...
its a preference choice, i suggest looking at the cheatsheet in the pins or the icy veins guide, the wowhead one is not great
fringe folio
Ok, thanks both for the reply
hot quail
np, hope that makes your decision easier. you could also craft both and try them out if you have the ash for it
chilly brook
Niya go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
jagged pier
we had burrs breaking huntsman adds last night
chilly brook
oof
jagged pier
proced of poly some how???
jagged pier
👀
jagged pier
always has been imo
chilly brook
And rally
I crafted signet
And then I realized
I cant even use it
Cuz no replacement shoulders
jagged pier
BIG
chilly brook
Still think rogue is actually the move at least outlaw for me
Its one of the only classes where I can focus on everything in front of me instead of the rotation
icy dirge
Why you don’t like prot anymore ?
chilly brook
Eh
It's not that I dont like prot
Tanking just kinda sucks this xpac compared to last or Legion
icy dirge
Yeah I really hate tanking mythic plus
chilly brook
But then again it could just be me having tanking burn out
quiet crane
I’d say tanking is actually more fun for me personally
chilly brook
Since I've been tanking since end of WoD
chilly brook
It's still not braindead lmao
quiet crane
But actually required you to think about how you approached keys at the 20 mark
Pretty much is at least from my POV since the level I’m at
jagged pier
MoP prot was best prot