protection

[chilly brook]

Too smooth brain for that

Or really I just cant be bothered to start

[sweet summit]

So at least 4

[undone jacinth]

above 4% beneath 100%

I can work with that

[sweet summit]

Roughly

[chilly brook]

Lol

[undone jacinth]

I believe the vault will successfully carry me to end of expac

without the need for pvp

feels good

[sweet summit]

Tbh, even the stygia is nice

[undone jacinth]

it gives stygia?

[mighty valley]

if you don't want any of the gear, you can choose 300 stygia

[undone jacinth]

wtf would I use stygia for 😂

[chilly brook]

I'll try to find that article that had the loot chance

[mighty valley]

sockets? conduits?

[undone jacinth]

haven't been to the maw since week 1

[mighty valley]

ok

[undone jacinth]

it wasn't for me

didn't suit my vibe

[mighty valley]

fair enough

[sweet summit]

I got full sockets today

Now its time for conduits :/

[undone jacinth]

how much are the conduits

[sand obsidian]

In raid, how do you guys know when to pop shield wall? Do you wait for specific mechanics or just use as oh shit button?

[undone jacinth]

and how long for the rep

[sweet summit]

1900

Like 2 weeks idk

[undone jacinth]

u can do the whole rep in 2 weeks?

[sweet summit]

Use sw to fill sb downtime

Oh, no

But rep for conduits like 2-3 weeks idk

[feral gale]

blood-soaked scale (216) or heroic sire trinket (220)? Any thoughts?

[undone jacinth]

so its less rep for conduits than sockets?

[mighty valley]

it's not a great "oh shit" button if your health is already low and you're not getting healed or whatever. with wall/AM, you can just pop it for tankbusters whenever it's up and save healers some stress, or cover gaps in SB uptime

[sweet summit]

Scale imo

[undone jacinth]

scale m+, whichever in raid

[sweet summit]

Ye

[jagged pier]

we have no oh shit buttons you use your cds and externals to cover gaps in SB

[sand obsidian]

So I assume last stand with bolster would work the same way?

[undone jacinth]

hm I might grind for the conduits then

[sweet summit]

Last stand with bolster is literally just shield block

[mighty valley]

the conduit option just gives you a random roll to upgrade any of your lowest level conduits

gacha shit

[jagged pier]

yes

[undone jacinth]

is there any other way to get 226 versions of the dungeon conduits tho?

[signal plover]

Nope

[sweet summit]

No

[jagged pier]

nope

[undone jacinth]

horrific

[sweet summit]

Maybe pvp if ure lucky

Some can come from pvp

[sand obsidian]

Yes, I meant it as in just use last stand as SB when I run out of charges

[chilly brook]

@undone jacinth

[mighty valley]

just be happy our conduits aren't huge impact, some dps really really want good conduit rolls

[undone jacinth]

cheers

so my odds of getting any of my 3 slots of upgrades with 5 options

have gotta be massive

[signal plover]

Def good odds

[mighty valley]

tell yourself the odds are low so you're happy when you get something

[undone jacinth]

i've got no chance

[mighty valley]

genius

[undone jacinth]

last time I got given advice to rig the system by speccing holy to get a shield

it worked first dungeon

after like 40-50 without

I believe it

[mighty valley]

I bully my plate dps friends to spec tank

[simple mural]

Thoughts? Ring or Trinket? I have a 200ilvl in both slots.

[mighty valley]

what're the ring stats

[jagged pier]

decanter pumps

[simple mural]

I can also buy 213 pvp gear

[mighty valley]

oh, then decanter, sounds like you can get other rings ez

[simple mural]

Fair enough

[chilly brook]

Def trinket

[simple mural]

Sounds good to me

[stray sierra]

I think I will too. Which is why im just slowly gearin it on the side

[chilly brook]

Same

Taking mine to heroic clear tonight

[undone jacinth]

side note but delete pawn XD

[simple mural]

So, I'm assuming drop the Scale since Decanter is dps leaning while my Vintage is more def focused.

[undone jacinth]

in m+ keep scale

in raid its your choice

[simple mural]

lol but I like to use pawn for alts when I level them!

[jagged pier]

id run thoughs 2 in m+ tbh

and run decanter in raid

[undone jacinth]

hell nah

decanter m+

[jagged pier]

or is that vintage

casue u shouldnt be running 2 on use anyway

in any instance

[undone jacinth]

that is vintage

but wouldnt matter what it was

[jagged pier]

ewww

double on use

[undone jacinth]

decanter 226 would dump on any 207 afaik

[jagged pier]

^^

[chilly brook]

It's still trash, stat weights are dead sim top gear is the way

[simple mural]

I aint simming for some little level 50! 😛

[chilly brook]

I mean if you're under 50 ilvl is king lol

[mighty valley]

optimizing for 0.2% dps on an item i'm keeping for maybe two levels

[chilly brook]

Not much of value thAt pawn will give you

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[simple mural]

lol

[nimble drift]

zzzzzzzz i got poop

[mighty valley]

??? two great trinkets

[jagged pier]

herald and decanter 🤔

[chilly brook]

226 decanter

Bruh

[jagged pier]

both thoughs trinkets are amazing

[nimble drift]

i got herald and decanter already lmfao

[chilly brook]

At that ilvl?

[nimble drift]

mhm

[chilly brook]

Unluck

[uneven mason]

I'm expecting to get a scale and shield in my vault today, to force me to pick

[mighty valley]

suffering from success

[chilly brook]

I'm expecting to actually not get an upgrade

Only did 2 m+ last week

[uneven mason]

I Mean TBH so am I

because vault has never given me a solid upgrade

[chilly brook]

So I only get 1 slot from m+

[nimble drift]

I actually was wondering. What is better, the decanter or stone legion heraldry for m+ and raid?

[chilly brook]

And only 1 of my raid things will be mythic

[uneven mason]

decantur

[nimble drift]

how many people in my pty do I need to make the stone legion heraldry better?

[nimble drift]

Cuz in my raid I can get like a full party of people with the trinket, but in m+ its a bit harder. Just wondering if its worth over the decantur

[mighty valley]

just kinda sounds like stone legion for raid, decanter for m+

but someone could do some real math

[signal plover]

I pray for neck piece

Or a scale

[undone jacinth]

it's more like what you need it for than it is math

if you're in need of any kind of defense only one gives it

and if you just want pure damage decanter will be better

even with full party

(assuming 226 decanter / 220 heraldry)

[nimble drift]

hmmm, well I also have the 220 trinket off sire

for defense would that be better than the heraldry?

for raid

[undone jacinth]

almost certainly

heraldry is giving you like 2% DR at most

[nimble drift]

well I have that trinket as well so it sounds like i have no use for the heraldry anymore

[undone jacinth]

vintage will be giving you a crap ton of absorb

[nimble drift]

since I got bis offensive and defensive trinkets

not bis, but better than heraldry

[undone jacinth]

let me quick maffs the vintage

whats the absorb

[nimble drift]

14,800

[undone jacinth]

alright well picked a few random sire logs

heraldry would be worth between 1-3 uses of vintage depending on how you played

and you could get 7 uses of vintage

you can also prio use of vintage at key moments

I'd say it's massively better, but remember heraldry is giving you some dam too

again quick maffs on sire means in an ideal scenario its giving you about 35k damage

[uneven mason]

vintage is just great for that on demand

I mean 15k absorb, thats basically a health stone on a 1m CD

[undone jacinth]

so in the sire scenario you're trading like 70k healing for 35k damage if you take heraldry

that is pretty worth if you don't care about defensiveness

[simple mural]

So that was my best runs out of 3 each on the tank dummy, 15 vs 19 stacks. So, probably gonna lean with the later setup for now. Slightly less dps for almost 5 more tank stacks is pretty nice.

[undone jacinth]

don't understand what you're trying to show in the picture

but that's what sims are for buddy

[simple mural]

it's heals and dps

It's fun to do it myself!

[undone jacinth]

yeah you're just missing about 10k repetitions 😛

[simple mural]

Ture lol

[undone jacinth]

what stacks are you referring to

[simple mural]

Dungeoneer's tank dummy

[undone jacinth]

is that like

a thing people actually use

[tardy parcel]

i must be super off in regards to the decanter conversation - wasn't the discussion a few weeks ago about it being super buggy or something? has that been addressed and i'm not aware of it? i was under the impression that it was generally kind of meh

[undone jacinth]

it's consistent for me tbh

the meh part of it is the lack of stats

or defensive value

[simple mural]

I mostly just pop it when shield block is down and not off cooldown yet to fill in my gaps

Er

vintage

lol

Why do they look the same!

[undone jacinth]

what does the dummy even do

[ionic fern]

Smacks you with stacking damage iirc,.

[outer solstice]

yeah hitting the tanking dummy is fun

[uneven mason]

being a DPS and accidentally hitting it with a cleave back when they were close together was the best

[outer solstice]

KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[uneven mason]

Grinding away on your rotation and then "RED MIST!"

[late notch]

I miss when you could move them

[ionic fern]

I think they also increased in size..atleast they used to.
So you could get them to the size of a house.

[uneven mason]

BrM chilling at 100stacks in Legion~

size of orgrimmar

[simple mural]

Yeah the grow in size, I managed 170 or something in BFA. Was starting to grow through the floor outside.

[uneven mason]

I can imagine with corruptions

I missed 8.2 - 8.3

[undone jacinth]

you kept your innocence

[uneven mason]

I was too irritated at being alliance on a dead server

[strong forum]

Well dhs easily reached max stacks

[uneven mason]

after my guilds leadership disappeared overnight

[strong forum]

In 8.2 most I got to was 121 as prot war I think

No 8.3

8.2 I didn't test

Corruption I didn't bother

[prisma dust]

scale 100%

[strong forum]

Scale is generally better ye

[feral gale]

thanks, yeah grabbed scale my weekly box gave a dps trinket 😦

well, whatever we can call the macabre sheet music

[undone jacinth]

a troll trinket

[cunning parcel]

In general, should I be prioritising haste over Ilvl (Str+stam)?

[livid dawn]

No

[uneven mason]

we call that vendor gold

[uneven mason]

never

[feral gale]

lol, I threw it to my arms set

[uneven mason]

its hot garbage

those stupid ghosts spawn like 15 feet away

its a massive troll

seems good, but to get the stacks you'll almost always have to leave melee

[outer solstice]

it's somewhat playable as NF

but that's about it

[uneven mason]

hows NF make it better?

[outer solstice]

it's still hot garbage

blink and movement speed buffs

[uneven mason]

I mean, I suppose if you can manage to perfectly blink out to grab one then chrge back in between autos

but you can blink PAST them

(personal experience)

[outer solstice]

yeah that's why it's only somewhat better

and still garbage

[uneven mason]

since soul shape is a true blink

and not a charge like other things

[outer solstice]

226 anima field emitter here

love that thing

[uneven mason]

mm

jealous

[outer solstice]

you haz scale?

[uneven mason]

I'm using a 207 vintage and 213 kael

lol me get loot from M+

I've looted one trinket from M+

[outer solstice]

oh well, I use 220 PvP and 226 field emitter

[uneven mason]

[outer solstice]

well M+ trinkets high level are only from box

so shrug

good luck

[uneven mason]

never had a trinket in my vault either

plenty of cloaks, gloves and belts

[outer solstice]

also keep checking your WQs

[uneven mason]

rings too for a bit

[outer solstice]

for high lvl hymnal

[feral gale]

wq are going up this week too i believe

[uneven mason]

I don't think a 187 hymnal would beat a 213 kael and 207 vintage

[outer solstice]

yeah I hope for a 197 hymnal

my 168 hymnal was close to a 213 spike

I think it 187 hymnal beats 213 kael in DPS

but it can vary because of versa

[uneven mason]

I'm not one of those DPS pumpers

I accept what I am

Protection is never going to be amazing DPS

so pushing for 2% more

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[outer solstice]

well yeah depending on the context

[uneven mason]

rather be able to face tank a fucking planet

[outer solstice]

if everyone is pushing 2% more

yeah

that's why I go for haste

and not mastery

[uneven mason]

healers can deal more damage than me

[outer solstice]

so I can still face the planet

[uneven mason]

if I take less damage!

[outer solstice]

well our healers are retarded...

they sit on their CDs for 5 minutes

and don't even DPS in the opener

[solemn magnet]

Currently have:
belt 207 mast/vers

trinket1 197 hymnal
trinket2 200 gluttonous spike

pants 213 crit/mast

suggestions?

[mighty valley]

isn't that the haste/vers belt

[solemn magnet]

belt is big haste/vers and pants big haste/mast

[mighty valley]

seems like ez belt to me!

[solemn magnet]

should i wait till after doing the 4 mythic weekly? i need immediate gratification

[mighty valley]

I also wouldn't be that responsible

I dunno... that belt is basically best in slot, not sure what you'd get from the chest that would change your mind

[strong forum]

Belt

Like, easily

That's not even a choice

That belt is bis for the rest of the tier

[solemn magnet]

Aight

[chilly brook]

F

Preach's guild imploded

[solemn magnet]

We gonna get a preach guild drama time?

[chilly brook]

Lol

[undone jacinth]

what happened

incoming video blaming torghast for it

[strong forum]

Game bad

[undone jacinth]

oh they got sire at least

oh... he didn't get sire

woops

[stray sierra]

How many weeks are left of s1 m+m

?*

And u cant get ksm after its over im guessing

[strong forum]

Prolly like... 4 months?

Maybe 3 months

Maybe even 6, it's defo not even close to be over

We just started

[lavish oracle]

Season probably ends sometime in the spring, yeah

[hazy fern]

alright i need some help

[strong forum]

Weppy

[hazy fern]

but i already got a 223 sinsmasherr

[strong forum]

Well

Then what's ring vs ring

[hazy fern]

17 ilvl upgrade

[strong forum]

Ye but stats

On rings it actually matters

A bit

[hazy fern]

crit mastery on 220 ring or haste verse on 203 ring

[strong forum]

Eww

Cringe choice

[hazy fern]

yea

welcome to my world

[strong forum]

Weppy has haste?

[sand pebble]

Well do you want to look cool with correct stats or look cool with higher ave ilvl

[hazy fern]

nope crit and mastery

[strong forum]

CRINGE

Fucking /roll 2

Idk

[amber herald]

play smf?

[strong forum]

Or pick stygia

Idk

Pick the ring so you can trade stuff maybe

Tbh

[hazy fern]

its a 17 ilvl upgrade too

13*

[strong forum]

Ye but non haste ring

And thats yucky

[hazy fern]

what about

the necklace

iits a bis but not an upgrade

[strong forum]

That's like the 3rd best necklace in the game

So... Eh

What about dem legs

[hazy fern]

213 haste mastery to replace a 213 crit mastery

[strong forum]

That is an upgrade indeed

[hazy fern]

220 legs verse mastery to replace 220 legs haste mastery

[strong forum]

Oh yeah lmao no

So yeah between neck or ring

[hazy fern]

i already have the cape

[strong forum]

Up to you

Both suck

but neck is better upgrade I guess

[hazy fern]

i agree

[lost spear]

current trinkets are 213 skulkers wing and 216 viscera of coalesced hatred

vs a good chest upgrade

having to stand in a pool to get a haste buff sounds meh?

[woeful vine]

viscera has the healing maggots?

[lost spear]

bah sorry, in wrong channel. arms

ignore

[woeful vine]

lol

[hazy fern]

i get the absolute worst loot in the game ik

[woeful vine]

would have preferred haste/vers

but a 26 ilevel upgrade can't be beat

[strong forum]

For some reason that name resonates with me

Or well, your name

[woeful vine]

lol

i might start streaming my key runs

[earnest frost]

are there any good trinkets from the raid for prot that youd spec dps for?

[strong forum]

Maybe dreadfire vessel for raid

Besides that, not really

Maybe shriekwing trinket

[undone jacinth]

dreadfire so you can trade it to someone else

[fading quiver]

I got mega lucky this week

[woeful vine]

very nice

[fading quiver]

now if only i can get over M+ tanking anxiety

[woeful vine]

what's your haste at

[fading quiver]

641 haste, 19.42%

[woeful vine]

whats your recharge on shield block

[fading quiver]

13 secs

but in raids its at 12 with the talent

[woeful vine]

thats a good spot

[last gazelle]

Whats the idea behind running tormented kings leggo in M+ for prot. Dont yeah just get clapped during bladestorm?

[fading quiver]

i imagine its just dps specced prot with nothing else

[mighty valley]

you can use defensives during bladestorm, but yes, probably raid DPS mains who offspec for M+ spots

[fading quiver]

I used it for a while, really bummed it doesn't consider prot ravager in the lego consideration

[woeful vine]

do you prefer ravager over unstoppable force

@fading quiver

[fading quiver]

for M+, yeah

great for kiting, just drop ravager on a pack and leap away, dont have to worry about threat much

[woeful vine]

yeah. my spear helps with that as well.

[fading quiver]

unfortunately im venthyr, dont have the luxury

[woeful vine]

did you go draven

[fading quiver]

yeah

[mighty valley]

bottom tier nadija abilities this week, probably time to hang out with her again

[neat dirge]

@strong forum I have 220 legion and sanguine vintage trinket, 220 wep and shield, I can still get upgrade on gear and rings, I have 226 quantom device, should I open vault as tank or DPS?

I have 200 ilvl weapon

For arms

[brisk rain]

Is heavy repercussions a good choice for mythic progress?

[neat dirge]

Nein

Bolster is bae

[brisk rain]

Fuk

Even for sludge?

[neat dirge]

Especially for sludge

[brisk rain]

:(

[neat dirge]

I want as much uptime on shieldblock as possible on that guy

You*

He hits very hard and very fast

Luckily all he's attacks are blockable

[brisk rain]

Fair

[sturdy trench]

im still waiting for them to fix the leggo

signet

i at least hope they are aware that it doesnt work

[undone jacinth]

its probably intentional

if they changed it, it'd be very strong

probably too strong

[frozen fox]

Hey team, just got my warrior to 60 with the intention of focusing on M+, as I'm limited with soul ashe, which legendary should I aim to build first between the wall and thunderlords. Had a few guildies advise the wall over thunderlord which seems to contradict most sources I've seen.

[undone jacinth]

I would craft wall personally

it's personal preference though

[woeful vine]

does thunderlords cap at 4.5 seconds reduced total? off of the 45 sec cd?

[sturdy trench]

y

[undone jacinth]

per thunderclap

so if you did two 3 target claps you still get 9 seconds

[sinful pivot]

Thunderlord seems bad compared to the wall. That's because for maximizing Thunderlord, you are not taking Bolster talent. That talent is REALLY GOOD for M+

Also raiding, of course.

[undone jacinth]

you're not taking AM with TL

[woeful vine]

so up to 4.5 seconds per TC.

[sinful pivot]

Unless you're overgeared for what you're doing. But if you're overgeared for what you're doing, it doesn't even matter what talents you take

If you're not taking AM with TL then what's the point?

[undone jacinth]

the point is TL gives you decent reduction even without it

and bolster is a better talent

primarily because you're never taking UF

[sinful pivot]

You're not taking the 2 talents that make Thunderlord a build

So I don't understand

[undone jacinth]

they arent what makes thunderlord a build

[sinful pivot]

The way the packs feel in timing, in higher keys, doesn't seem conducive to taking TL

[undone jacinth]

you still use TC without those talents..

[woeful vine]

how is AM a build with TL

[undone jacinth]

because he's thinking you want the lower TC CD from UF

[woeful vine]

to build rage faster to make am better?

[undone jacinth]

and more avatars

to make it useful

[woeful vine]

gotcha

[sinful pivot]

too many acronyms, i can't do this

[undone jacinth]

but UF is a garbage talent

[woeful vine]

lol

[undone jacinth]

so you just don't take it

thunderlord is still giving you decent reduction, without the talents

because thunder clap cooldown isnt high

[woeful vine]

right. the origional question was the wall versus thunderlords.. do you want shield wall up 1.5 more times or do you want demo shout up a lot more

per fight

[undone jacinth]

and that's why it's preference

[smoky sparrow]

Key takeaway too is that booming voice also syncs great with tl

[undone jacinth]

because neither are like massively altering your world

both give you nice boosts

[sinful pivot]

I personally want Wall opener more often than I want Demo like twice per pack or whatever

[woeful vine]

i agree

[undone jacinth]

so do I, I don't think thunderlord is good but many people do, including many at the top

there's a benefit to it, point was just that the benefit isn't tied to a talent build

[sinful pivot]

Sure. You may very well be right.

There's also the added benefit that Wall is the legendary for raid tanking and there's really no other

[undone jacinth]

yea if anyone asked me for a recommendation there's only one answer I'd give

[patent osprey]

Preference :)

[undone jacinth]

there ya go

[sinful pivot]

is that THE Plka?

everyone stop

bows to the master

[undone jacinth]

oh lord

[patent osprey]

Rise champion

[amber herald]

uWu

[sinful pivot]

I am unworthy of your attention

[woeful vine]

hahaha

preference and play style. everyone's rotation is slightly different

[patent osprey]

I actually think TL will win out long run. that's just because damage I the end of the day will carry keys

[sinful pivot]

there you go

TL is better

[patent osprey]

but I use tw

[woeful vine]

lol

[sinful pivot]

there you go, TW is better

[woeful vine]

do as i say not as i do

[patent osprey]

lol

[undone jacinth]

in my exp tl is just clunky because it's coming back up in your kite time and it woulda been ready for the next pack anyway

[ocean yoke]

virgin the wall vs chad the leaper smh

[undone jacinth]

so that damage you might be getting from it isn't very real

[woeful vine]

i think with TL you could have the 20% damage reduction up for most of the fight, versus 50% for a small percentage

[lucid holly]

what is tl

oh

[sinful pivot]

this is what I think

[lucid holly]

thunderlord

[sinful pivot]

nvm this is the correct take

[lucid holly]

yeah but if u use thunderlord then you have to press thunderclap

[woeful vine]

lol

[undone jacinth]

its a real problem

[lucid holly]

I wonder if theyll throw in the towel and just turn us back into what we were in BFA again

[sinful pivot]

Well, I'll just stick to TW because having it fully upgraded will almost certainly be better than a lvl 1 TL

And I want to upgrade my PvP leggo eventually as well

I think TL will be just a meme dream with the AM build

[undone jacinth]

i'm still on the signet wagon tbh

[sinful pivot]

mega chad

[undone jacinth]

it's a hard ride to get off

[sinful pivot]

i know the feeling

I stopped with the AM memery fishing for 100% parses finally

[lucid holly]

signet sounds fun until you play a prot paladin and realize ur damage is shiiite

venthyr prot pal is sooo good

[sinful pivot]

Have you tried Kyrian prot pal?

It's dumb in dungeons and pvp

there's just something about interrupting everything at the press of a button, and getting massive burst and a giant shield

[lucid holly]

Yeah but the single target is where you can flex the hardest

just speaking damage

[undone jacinth]

Kyrian Prot pala is the most satisfying class in the game

there’s no single button that compares to divine toll

[lucid holly]

covoke is close

[sinful pivot]

The Hunt?

[undone jacinth]

it’s so close but the problem is it’s channeled

so you gotta wait for the juice

[sinful pivot]

4 moonfires 4 rejuves 4 enraged regen KEKW

[undone jacinth]

convoking in bear form

what a loser

I did find a little niche on my bear of moonkin convoking prides to let people use CDs on packs

[sinful pivot]

true

actually casting it in bear is just a waste

[undone jacinth]

wouldn’t say it’s great though

it gives you full rage which is handy

if you go bear

[sinful pivot]

I'm sure you can do way better by planning differently

chicken convoke 2 stronk

[undone jacinth]

I’m boomy convoking most of the time but damage is still pathetic tbh

[sinful pivot]

if chicken convoke is pathetic damage, what is prot warrior?

[patent osprey]

it's more for the synergy of demo shout spear of bastion

[undone jacinth]

I currently find doing it prides most useful purely because it lets people who can do damage actually pump

[patent osprey]

so the 20% would be real

[undone jacinth]

you mean spear while kiting with second demo?

or?

[patent osprey]

and eventually u won't need the wall once we get perfect stats

[undone jacinth]

or spear every other demo

[patent osprey]

both initial and second spears. I'm venthyr so doesn't matter right now so wall is fine

[undone jacinth]

yeah I’m not sure

I just think the way big keys are with the concept of like big pull, nuke, kite, big pull in 1min time, that seems to suit wall a bit better if you can get it low enough

but maybe Prot just has to play differently than that I don’t know

[patent osprey]

if you do more initial threat u can leave faster technically. I dunno for sure I have to test

but tank damage is super importsnt

[undone jacinth]

I was watching the WF 23 hoa and just thinking like how can Prot actually play like that

AM maybe or something

[patent osprey]

never

[undone jacinth]

yeah it’s bad but like that pull structure

it just didn’t seem to fit

do you get 3 blocks with your haste rating?

or is it too low

[patent osprey]

too low. I favor verse

[undone jacinth]

ya I thought so

idk too hard for me to figure out, I just cast bark skin 😋

[sinful pivot]

The more I play prot the more appreciate the intricacies

When I first picked it up at the start of SL, I thought it was braindead

Couldn't be more wrong

[patent osprey]

yeah it's the most thought out tank imo

cause everything is preventative instead of reactive

[undone jacinth]

I honestly feel that way about all tanks, there’s so much you can do with experience

but Prot is particularly so

[sinful pivot]

Yeah, it feels like the tank that requires the most planning out of any I've ever played

It's beautiful

Now can we get buffs pls

[undone jacinth]

every time I waste a SB charge as the mob starts casting I sigh

[sinful pivot]

Your extensive usage of acronyms makes my tiny brain hurt

But same

[undone jacinth]

it’s honestly learned behaviour from this discord

I’ve been brainwashed send help

[mighty valley]

it's better than the mage discord where IB means Fireblast

[sinful pivot]

Nothing hurts more than pressing the wrong key and blocking twice tho

[undone jacinth]

lol

blocks stack so it’s normally ok

but can be punishing

[sinful pivot]

Nah I was referring to mage

Kappa

[undone jacinth]

oh god

that’s why you use acronyms

[sinful pivot]

Jk

[undone jacinth]

and that’s why you always leave a note

[sick sentinel]

i swear to god i am going to go maldraxxus endgame SL for the shiled mog

[undone jacinth]

💪

[sick sentinel]

proper tower shield

[undone jacinth]

link pls

[sinful pivot]

Can you believe I once saw a guy fully mogd into night fae?

I almost sudokud my eyes

[undone jacinth]

haha I secretly don’t mind it

yogi where’s this dang shield

[sinful pivot]

Never speak to me again

I bet you like pineapple on pizza

[undone jacinth]

it’s worse

I don’t even like pizza

[sinful pivot]

Evil incarnate

Emperor Palpatine

Cat

[patent osprey]

pineapple pizza is a high io thing.

;)

[sinful pivot]

You're now my second favorite warrior in the world

[undone jacinth]

right behind kungen

[sinful pivot]

No

Just anyone else.

[undone jacinth]

if I go necrolord can I still mog the kyrian shield?

[dusky mica]

no

[patent osprey]

sorry to disappoint:(

[dusky mica]

if you are kyrian then go necro it will keep the kyrian look

but you can never mog another shield into kyrian

[last mason]

decanter is pretty dog right

[dusky mica]

it's does ok dps in dungeons

[last mason]

i kinda wanna try it over insig but feel that might be greedy

stuck with 203 scale in other slot still

its sims like 1.2% higher

[dusky mica]

whats insig? haste pvp trinket?

probably not worth losing 4% haste or whatever it is, from a tank perspective

if you have them to try (dps trinkets) then there's no reason not to try them, I just wouldn't pick them from the vault

[undone jacinth]

whaaaaaaaaat

😦

[dawn imp]

on a scale from shit to even more shit, how decent is a H barhasts leash

[fallow beacon]

Link it to your least favorite dps player before a big hit

[dusky mica]

👍

[nova vector]

Need help on my vault decision. Have option for 213 weapon (207 currently equipped) or 226 wrist (203 equipped) or 226 boots (wearing 235 TL legendary but planning to get Wall on 235 shoulders this week

Other boots are 200 so going with the boots would allow me to swap out my TL legendary for Wall legendary without losing to much ilvl

[neat dirge]

What stats does each piece have?

Does any of the 226 pieces have Bis stats?

[dusk walrus]

Does anybody know what the cross-spec interactions are for conduits? The +revenge damage one procs** off of overpower in arms - does crash the ramparts increase revenge dmg in return?

[nova vector]

@neat dirge Neither boots or wrist have haste 😩

[neat dirge]

Aw unfortunate

[nova vector]

But if 6 ilvl on weapon is that important then I guess it doesn’t matter

[neat dirge]

I dunno

Ask someone better then me, I'm chilling with my wep

[woeful cypress]

is sinful rev simming higher for anyone else?

[undone jacinth]

I would take one of the 226 pieces

the weapon is a nice upgrade but it’s gonna feel like crap when you replace it

if you’re gonna use wall and dont have a good boots item to replace TL then go for that, otherwise just grab the bracers and forget about needing to fill your bracer slot this patch imo 🙂

[sick sentinel]

is it better to upgrade transport or path to 2 first?

i've really been slacking on anima collection

[mighty valley]

neither has combat benefits, do whatever you feel like

portal to oribos is pretty handy

[ocean bloom]

just got darkvein down 😄

[mellow patio]

Gz

[chilly brook]

Council can go eat a fat one

[lavish token]

can you spell reflect hand of destruction on Sire? and if so how?

never mind its in the sticky. Tank notes lied to me

[sand obsidian]

You guys like ravager or fray for raid?

[patent osprey]

fray

100% uptime basically

[karmic scroll]

does the dungeon bonus event apply to M+?

[ocean bloom]

fuck sunking lol

idk how to get that last 1% for pinks

gotta press my buttons harder

[sand obsidian]

Wouldve thought bolster would be the better option, but looks like anger management is used a lot more and is what wowhead suggests for raid

[chilly brook]

Tbh idk how I got it on sun king either

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly brook]

Because Anger Management is more damage and also reduces the CD on Shield Wall and since you're already using The Wall it's like double dipping

Raids are more suited to having mitigation downtime as well

As there are usually taunt swaps

[sand obsidian]

hmm okay, ill giving anger a try

give*

[wicked lantern]

Anyone have a good ignore pain weak aura? I have one that displays it as a bar with the absorb amount but I think I’ve been pressing IP when the absorb is full, wasting rage. Any bar type absorbs that maybe change color when it’s full or something?

[ocean bloom]

i use bolster on prog for most fights

[chilly brook]

The only fights I touched bolster on for prog were sludge for the first few pulls, SLG and Denathrius

Sludge its unnecessary

SLG kinda feel the same

Denathrius is a hard fight in general so would be worth if your healers are struggling

But I always start with AM and then swap to bolster if needed not the other way around

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ocean bloom]

maybe ill try that

gonna start progging on xymox soon

the extra rage from avatar is noticeable\

i mean laststand

[chilly brook]

Like I haven't felt the need for bolster on any of the fights in mythic so far

[ocean bloom]

laststand conduit

[chilly brook]

Currently on darkvein

Speaking of

Game sound is clutch on that fight

[ocean bloom]

so true

that fight is such a clusterfuck on prog

then your dps figure out orbs and then start blasting and its like wait the fights dead

[nimble drift]

downed huntsman on mythic today PogU

only took 10 pulls

FeelsGoodMan

[ocean bloom]

nice! i like huntsman as a fight a lot

[stark lion]

Is unbreakable will legendary really party only?

I was hoping it worked the same as 4 piece from the Cata set: https://www.wowhead.com/item=78800/colossal-dragonplate-legguards

[inner goblet]

HOWCOME I CRAFT THE PROT LEGENDARY FOR THE SHOULDERS AND NOT THE BACK?!?!

[stark lion]

Shoulders have higher stat allocation

a 235 shoulder will give you way more stats than a 235 cloak

[inner goblet]

power.....

[ocean bloom]

Also its pretty easy to get high ilvl cloak compared to shoulders

[modern gale]

Also stop yelling

This is a library

[lunar perch]

Warriors don't read!

[sweet summit]

Yeah, even in a raid group it still only applies to party members

[sand obsidian]

is it normal that at 203 ilvl I feel like I can't cast a single revenge in H CN? Feel like I'm taking a lot of damage and have to save everything for IP

[sweet summit]

That does not sound normal, cant remember being in that situation

[heady plaza]

is the stone legion trinket good for tanking m+ if theres just you in the group with it?

[sweet summit]

Its like over 2% vers with full uptime

But also depends on your other trinkets

Its solid

[ionic fern]

Do you have any logs? Are you using SB?

[sand obsidian]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/akhpRtfZP6Ncd8TL/

I'm Tankysweet

thats our current raid right now'

I'm pretty new to warrior tank, usually playing hunter for raid, but tank couldnt make it tonight

Using SB as often as its up, unless I know the boss is going to do something where they dont target me for a few seconds

[ionic fern]

From a quick glance - you can always run Bolster instead of AM if you're feeling squishy for the extra SB uptime.
You are also using THe Wall but only casting SW like 2 times per fight. 👀
Your HP does not seem to yoyo too much except for the parts where it's expected, e.g Bleeds/Magic damage and your block uptime is fine.
You could also cast more Demoralizing Shouts, especially when running with BV.

Seems like you are on Lady Inerva right now, keep the reflectable sheet in mind:

[pure sun]

Does anyone here have a WA for Hidden Desires for Mythic darkvein? Would be nice to have an arrow or smth especially for the second one during a 3 ad moment.

[sand obsidian]

Okay wow yeah, thats a lot of reflectable. I been trying to use it on the only one that's not reflectable lol when would you suggest SWing? Just on CD when I expect some big damage to help heals? I'm pretty bad at noticing when Demoralizing is up, that and bolster so I'll try and work on that more.

[pure sun]

Also does mythic darkvein heart explosion have the ability to be spell reflected?

[graceful cobalt]

Hi guys i have 220 Quantum Device or 220 Hands with versa/mastery

what should i choose on my Great Vault

[ionic fern]

What do you have currently for those slots?

[ionic fern]

SW should be used in preparation for big damage or if you don't have SB up.

[graceful cobalt]

darkmoon deck 200 Gluttron spike 213 hands 197 pvp

[solemn magnet]

I'd go hands

[graceful cobalt]

ok than i have choose the right

[solemn magnet]

Trinkets are Hella tempting tho

[outer solstice]

ooof, dreadfire(220) vs crit/versa chest(226)

running 226 anima field emitter + 220 PvP trinkets and 220 versa/haste PvP chest.... I bet the chest is best ... even though it's a haste downgrade

[chilly brook]

to give you an idea

That overlaps with his first expunge iirc

[subtle island]

best wep enchant?

[outer solstice]

I prefer sinful, though it's purely offensive

[chilly brook]

and the reason I'd want to cast it there is because the healers are busy running out the boss is still meleeing and I will take damage

[outer solstice]

common sense is probably celestial guidance

lightless force is nice for AoE in M+ though

[crisp dragon]

Let the jealousy begin, 226 ilvl Hakkar trinket

[sweet summit]

Nice!

[outer solstice]

*GASP

[crisp dragon]

And I only did one dungeon this week :pog:

[outer solstice]

BIG GZ!

[crisp dragon]

Thank you!

[chilly brook]

I got the meme trinket

I.e. 226 skulker

[crisp dragon]

Big f

Im pretty happy with my trinekts through vault

Plaguefall dps trinket and now Hakkar

[chilly brook]

I mean it's actually good single target dps

[sweet summit]

226 phial gang

[chilly brook]

And I have a 220 scale

And a 220 stone legion

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[outer solstice]

226 anima field emitter 😛

[crisp dragon]

226 Scale and 220 stone I think will be my raid setup, maybe phial for farm bosses

[unique shale]

no idea take which one i need all of them

and play both prot and arm

[chilly brook]

Shield

No contest

Both those weapons are 1h are they not?

Dont remember a 2h axe from dungeons

Certainly no 2h maces

[unique shale]

already have lvl 213 Shield

[crisp dragon]

Engorged is BIS weapon

[chilly brook]

Still shield

It's your most important item

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, Im 222 ilvl still ruinning around with ilvl 207 shield :/

[chilly brook]

Block is most important stat

[unique shale]

ok thx for output

100 more Block yeahhhhhhhh

[jagged pier]

25.8% unbuffed haste

we getting there

[chilly brook]

So you have 3.125% haste?

F

You edited it

[crisp dragon]

BIG STATS BOOOYS

[jagged pier]

cant complain had 226 haste ver helm and 226 haste vers bracers the last few weeks

but im opening in arms hoping for a wep i cant seem to get

[crisp dragon]

Im on 28% vers, maye I should get some Haste

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Take highest ilvl

[jagged pier]

^^

[crisp dragon]

And that's what I have, which is pvp xD

[chilly brook]

Worry about secondaries later

[crisp dragon]

I do just feel sad putting on like Crit/Mastery

[sand obsidian]

If you open vault as prot, is there still a chance to get a 2h weapon?

[candid path]

no

[pine raven]

Quick question, should i go for the trinket, when i already got the ring on 207, and got no other good "defensive" trinket?

[jagged pier]

trinkets pretty strong tbh

but that ring is also really nice

depends do u need a defensive trinket?

[pine raven]

there are some situations where i'd rather have the trinket than the ring, as i got that on 207 anyway, so it wouldn't be the biggest of ugprades imo

[jagged pier]

what are your tinkets atm?

[pine raven]

situational, usually got Anima Field Emitter on at all times (pretty low ilvl), and switching between a a few different, depending on if i need to be offensive or defensive, then it's either Spare Meat Hook (single target), Queenguard's Vigil (AoE), or the Kael'thas one for a cheat death

Never had the luck to get the scale from Hakkar

[jagged pier]

just take the triinket

[pine raven]

alright, ty mate

[pastel vector]

this weapon struggle is real

220 haste vers helm tho pog

[limber temple]

What have people got Versatility at the moment? None of my ilvl increases seem to have it lately. I am sitting at 4% at the moment.... 40% Mastery/22% Haste.

[jagged pier]

i mean secondary stats dont matter

its all about ilvl

[ionic fern]

Think i got around 8% currently.

[pastel vector]

18%

[limber temple]

Yeah I get that. Just....that seems low I was expecting it to ride a bit higher than that.

[placid oar]

Hi guys, if i chose a 3 ilvl increase for my shield (223 to 226) over a 226 weapon when my weapon is only 210. Did i actually make a wrong choice?

[limber temple]

Shield gotta own all.

[pastel vector]

oh... does iLvl matter only on mainset? or for rings /neck/trinkets as well?

[placid oar]

i took the shield ilvl as gospel and took the shield

[ionic fern]

Ngl, i would have chosen the weapon there. 😂
But ilvl increase on shield is definitely not a bad thing. 🙂

[placid oar]

but started wondering if i made a bad call

T-T

thanks Mwahi

[jagged pier]

i would have gone with wep, but 226 shield is nothing to snuff at

[placid oar]

it was a haste vers weapon too 😦

[jagged pier]

F

[jagged pier]

only really mainstat

[limber temple]

I'll take that weapon if you dont mind!

[ionic fern]

Eeh, it's fine.
A 226 shield is pretty much maxed out for your avg player now.

[placid oar]

i guess i should have asked u guys first

[ionic fern]

So you're golden on that front.

[placid oar]

thank you

[ionic fern]

I think PvP gives a higher shield or somethinG?

And mythic raid.

[jagged pier]

so rings and trinkets are uneffected but in general rings and neck if its 10 ilvls higher its better regardless of stats

more stats are better than less better stats

[placid oar]

Another question if i may... I am more focused on M+ since i stopped Mythic raiding as a dps... would it actually be worthwhile farming for the Sunking trinket if i am lucky enough to have a Blood and Anima Emitter trinket at 226?

[jagged pier]

no

[placid oar]

ah

can you kindly share why Jakey?

am hoping to understand and learn the rationale why behind it

[jagged pier]

i dont like sun king trinket i dont think its worth, its only useful if your pushing very very high keys and even then u need to play around using it

blood and emitter are already far better

[placid oar]

i see

[jagged pier]

99% of the time

[placid oar]

so if i have blood and emitter, there is no other trinket better for M+ unless it is for dps or cheat death purposes?

[jagged pier]

pretty much imo

[placid oar]

ah

[jagged pier]

the only reason that trinket was used in high keys was because tanks were likely to die and you could play around dying and using etc, if u arent gunna try and do 20+ (which is a very small %age of the payerbase) I see 0 value in the trinket

like im watching Plka right now doing a 20 i dont think hes using it

[strong forum]

The thing I've noticed the most is the lack of spear

[placid oar]

i see

[ionic fern]

?

[jagged pier]

hes venthyr

[strong forum]

Makes me wanna backseat game alot

[strong forum]

Exactly

[jagged pier]

he is dps in raid tho so makes sense

[strong forum]

Sacrifice raid for the greater good

[jagged pier]

XD

[blazing condor]

any vaulters?

[jagged pier]

nope only trash

[strong forum]

I ain't seeing vault for another 8hrs

[ionic fern]

Yes, i got 1 choice of a 226 helm with haste/mastery which i sold.

[strong forum]

8.5hrs

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

well haste ver socketed bracers

cant complain

[blazing condor]

i got three rings 🙂

226 haste vers at least so

[jagged pier]

i had a NW ring in valut as well but would have dropped haste on my rings already

[ionic fern]

I just want my Hakkar trinket. 😦

[blazing condor]

same

[jagged pier]

SAME

[blazing condor]

i just want a trinket by now

still got two ilvl 200

[ionic fern]

Imagine complaining about having a 200 ilvl trinket.

I'm rocking a 168 Hymnal cause my other trinket choices are 3x

[placid oar]

Hope you guys get good loot the next cache

[blazing condor]

thanks

[jagged pier]

can we get an F for mwahis loot luck this expansion so far?

[ionic fern]

I'm hjuuuuge.

[frail wyvern]

goodbye 197 wep

[ionic fern]

👍

[jagged pier]

oof u have a better wep neck and chest than me 😦

[ionic fern]

Jeh, i had like 3x weapons last week from the chest.

[jagged pier]

thats some luck right there

[ionic fern]

Atleast this week i can do keys again.

[jagged pier]

hopefully

[strong forum]

Was actually not terrible doing keys yesterday ngl

[ionic fern]

Our DH re-rolled to hunter as well and it's mostly geared now (meaning he does roughly the same damage on his 198 hunter that he does on his 20 ilvl higher DH) so it should be OK.

[strong forum]

I forgot bolstering was a thing for like 2 dungeons

[blazing condor]

its just tyrannical being a bitch tbh

the other affixes are kinda non-affix

[ionic fern]

Yes, i also forgot Bolster was a thing and pulled everything together only to see 10+ stack bolsters.

[jagged pier]

yer i already had 10 done last week, yesterday evening can u tank dungeons we have 10 raiders that havent had there 14 this week

[strong forum]

Ye we kinda did the same

[jagged pier]

"yes Guild master i will bitch tank for you"

[strong forum]

Wanted to do 1 key

Kinda did 4.5

[ionic fern]

I did only 1. 👀

Hated every second of it.

[strong forum]

Playing with double fire mage

That's pain

Cuz you have 1 pull that absolutely vanishes and then 1 pull where you stack up to like 4000 necrotic stacks on 3 mobs

[ionic fern]

You should play with me.
I'm rocking the real mage spec..Frost.

[strong forum]

So you have to do one quad pull

Then a single

Into quad

Like you absolutely need to pull huge every 2nd pack

Otherwise you're gonna have a very bad time

[zenith monolith]

which should I take ? 😦

[jagged pier]

well device is trash

[frail wyvern]

226 spike isn't the worst trinket if you are in need of something

[zenith monolith]

it would be replacing a 207 device

so either upgrade 207 device to 226 or use Spike

[jagged pier]

again device is an aweful trinket for us

spike is better

[zenith monolith]

ok will do that then, ty

[pastel vector]

alright lets see how many runs in Mists + NW it takes to get this weapon

[nocturne marlin]

what are you thinking about changing to mikanikos with renown 31 because of the haste buff (up to 15% haste+) for m+?

[jagged pier]

the haste buff is shit and so is mikanikos

but if u want to go him feel free

[nocturne marlin]

the haste buff is shit?^^

[jagged pier]

its 10 secs

and its not about the haste buff alone u have to think about what u need to take to get there

[nocturne marlin]

so every new trash grp you have about 10 sec + 10-15 haste

[jagged pier]

like using your pot insta when u fall below 35% not good

knockback when using a pot

not good

[nocturne marlin]

yes

thats true

[jagged pier]

the other conduits in mikanos not good

and the haste buff is only useful if u pull 5 ore more

and only for 10 secs

[nocturne marlin]

thats a good argument

[jagged pier]

most pulls last a lot longer than that

and on bosses it gives nothing

[ionic fern]

If you wanna swap go for Kleia. 👀

Rather than Mlka.

[nocturne marlin]

do you think a 3 % magic dmg reduce is noticeable 🙂

[jagged pier]

will be yer its the reason we sort of go pelagos

[nocturne marlin]

yes agree with that mwahi

[jolly thistle]

but mastery is sooo gooood

[ionic fern]

NF Niya is gonna shine as well from DPS PoV.

[nocturne marlin]

i dont wanna swap from pelagos. just want to hear your thoughts, ty 🙂

[strong forum]

20% dmg gain from pressing spear

Yes please

But yeah niya is big pump

230dps ahead of pelagos according to bloodmallet

That's massive

[jagged pier]

"covenants are going to be balanced"

only 1 or 2% difference

[ionic fern]

Everyone knew that was nonsense as soon as they announced Covenants.

😂

[jagged pier]

i know

[ionic fern]

Sad times.

[ionic fern]

I wish they were balanced tho.

[strong forum]

Disgusting

[jagged pier]

yer gross

[nocturne marlin]

the defense positives arent listed here :)?! 🙂

*advantages

[jolly thistle]

Is that with the interrupt trait?

[ionic fern]

Doubt it.

Probably burrs.

I'm not 100% sure how the interrupt works cause Prot doesn't have Pummel in our APL.

Jeah, burrs.

[jolly thistle]

burrs doesn’t work on bosses or did they change it?

Or rather doesn’t work on mobs that aren’t slowable

[quaint glade]

if i do m+ only shall i go with Nadjia or General Draven? 🤔

[ionic fern]

Draven is a purely defensive option.
I would probably go either Nadjia or Theotar.

[outer solstice]

this is with conduits at 26

[strong forum]

I set it to 30

[outer solstice]

at 30 niya is further ahead

oh wait

my bad

that was weirdly cropped

sry ❤️

[quaint glade]

i went with draven because heals are complaining about me too much 😦

[ionic fern]

It's most likely a gameplay issue. 😦

[outer solstice]

oh well I had a pug raidlead complain at me on sire hc...

the other tank didn't taunt in P2 xD

check the logs if it's actually an issue with you

before you overreact

[quaint glade]

forgive me asking this dumb question but is there any way to record the spell history? Like what I was pressing?

[ionic fern]

Logging.

[quaint glade]

afaik I know i press IP and SB with cds

[ionic fern]

I've also had healers complain at me for being "squishy" when no one is interrupting anything. 😦

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-to-improve-character-performance

[quaint glade]

and SR as well

[ionic fern]

Check out how to log - it will record the fights and provides good overview of what you are doing.

[ebon hound]

Guys how do I reroll a vault

[outer solstice]

fast forward 1 week

[ebon hound]

fuck

[twilit siren]

27,42 Haste unbuffed is good or?

[outer solstice]

sorry ❤️

[outer solstice]

sounds fine

[quaint glade]

thanks

[outer solstice]

@ionic fern is there an APL which ignores IP ? I just checked and noticed it's used quite a lot

[ionic fern]

Jeah, it uses it a lot due to being somewhat realistic.

https://pastebin.com/uvzmVLif

[outer solstice]

yeah but that kinda defeats the purpose of a DPS sim or not? so for a pure DPS sim I have to do my own APL ?

hehe ty

xD

[ionic fern]

I mean - it's not realistic for you to not use IP in a fight.
Other specs also use defensives in their sims.

[pastel vector]

Does which slot we craft TW on matter? I have iLvl 200 shoulder + back, but my shoudlers are pvp so? Better to just go ahead and craft teh cloak?

[outer solstice]

yeah but it seems a tad excessive though

shoulders have way higher stats

though I sit here and crafted TW first on back.... because I had a shit back and good shoulders

[lofty widget]

is this worth in any way?

[strong forum]

For pvp

Otherwise I wouldn't

I said it in bfa and I'll say it now, you won't catch me using a non haste ring

[lofty widget]

thought as much, got 2 trinkets i already have 226 and that ring, sad vault...

[twilit siren]

I have 203 ilvl ring (114 haste , 63 vers), 200 ilvl ring (39 crit, 133 haste) and a new one 207 ilvl (83 haste 99 mastery)

what's the best combo

[strong forum]

The big haste ones