protection

[hazy fern]

Add another stack of shield block and call it a day 🙂

[uneven mason]

would rather have something that helps us with community perception

like, a DPS increase

or make it so IP is a 90% absorb vs magic

[hazy fern]

Yea some people won’t even take me into their 10s lol no one wants to heal a warrior

[blissful pebble]

Basing AM and BV would be a DPS increase but I agree our previous niche as the damage tank seems a distant memory.

[uneven mason]

except if they actually heal you, we're the easiest tank to keep alive when actively tanking

[waxen cradle]

versus

[uneven mason]

ok

What are the other loot options you have in the vault?

is what I was asking

upgrading the bracers is a no brainer

ifi ts just those 2 items in consideration

[limber magnet]

joined a group doing a +12, we stayed lf tank for 1+ hr, kept having 1 prot warrior apply throughout that time to be perma ignored lol

[livid dawn]

:<

[limber magnet]

dunno how u guys playing prot deal with m+ right now, at least pugs

[livid dawn]

Was his io bad??

[limber magnet]

not even

its was ok

not the best

[hazy fern]

Lmao It’s a struggle for us warriors

[limber magnet]

but I guess if ur not a rockstar ur getting ignored

[uneven mason]

getting a good .io as a prot war is hard atm because of flipperhanded meme monkies

[livid dawn]

When I play on my main, I don't even look at class

just io

[blissful pebble]

Only thing to consider with bracers is if you are a big spender you can easily get haste versa bracers on AH and socket them via Ve'nari.

[livid dawn]

Wew

weapooooon

[limber magnet]

honestly, if u have 1k io+ as prot warrior, I'm impressed

[livid dawn]

I have a survival hunter I do keys with

the dude does big uncapped aoe yo

The two highest io tanks on my server are warriors

[waxen cradle]

Stitchflesh ring I have a 207 of exact same stats the 226 is just a higher item level of it

My shield is better than the one I would get from the Anima Bead

[uneven mason]

ok that is what I was going to ask

[waxen cradle]

Cloak I have is better than the 213

[uneven mason]

yes take bracers unless your belt is garbage

[waxen cradle]

my cloak rather is better than the 213 also

[blissful pebble]

Buy bracers off AH and take Haste Versa ring imo that is a very nice ring.

[waxen cradle]

chest also better than shit 200 chest from vault

[uneven mason]

socket on the 220 bracers

so no, don't buy bracers off AH

[hazy fern]

It’s okay though because the more the community belittles is the more chance we have ofblizzard noticing us drowning haha

[uneven mason]

no

[blissful pebble]

Depends on Ve'nari position sockets you can add

[uneven mason]

it really doesn't

[solemn magnet]

How likely are you to wipe your group blowing up from kael trinket?

[blissful pebble]

Please justify your logic

[waxen cradle]

sockets can only go in specific slots and nowhere else unless I am remembering wrong

[sick sentinel]

only not on trinkets

[hazy fern]

Yea justify your logic

[sick sentinel]

or, i don't think you can add a socket to a trinket rather

[undone jacinth]

there’s only 5 slots that can have sockets

[blissful pebble]

If you can personally add sockets then a 19 i level upgrade on ring with BiS stats is superior to meh stat bracers that will be replaced in a slot with a great boe option.

6 techincally (2xring)

[sick sentinel]

i thought anything can have socket, but only if its from drop, u cant add them to trinket and helm and shit

[chilly brook]

Bruh

You gonna buy those boe bracers?

Cuz I sure as hell am not

[waxen cradle]

If I have them drop yay for me, but not terribly interested in dropping that much gold on bracers

[chilly brook]

Exactly

[blissful pebble]

I bought them some time a go with a tertiary stat because I can invest an hour in gold making and get an item that will last me the remainder of a tier. Time vs reward = high.

[chilly brook]

I mean

I think you're overvaluing secondaries especially on bracers

[sick sentinel]

that's how i got 207 haste versa neck

[chilly brook]

Bracers are arguably the least impactful item

[uneven mason]

Logic - he can obtain an upgrade from either ring or bracers, but being like "Go get the massively over priced bracers for a (not upgrade) over what you have in front of you FOR FREE - then spend hours grinding maw crap for minimal upgrades"

Opportunity cost - the time spent in the maw could be used for many, many other things

[sick sentinel]

i could have sold it, but there was no other one same stats and it dropped, i needed it

[chilly brook]

Spending corruption money on a boe is just not worth

Unless you're a RWF guild

[waxen cradle]

Yeah its one thing if I get super lucky and see a BoE fall, in that case sure yeah I may use them, or hell I may even turn around and sell them and use them to make gold to use on other more lucrative things. Either way that much gold spent on a item that overpriced I can't justify

[blissful pebble]

I think this is the problem with tell me what to get questions. I caveated my post with if you have gold and if you have Ve'nari rep consider this alternative.

[chilly brook]

Especially when that item is arguably the worst piece

I wouldn't even consider it if i had the gold

[blissful pebble]

For me personally 200k on 226 bracers is pocket change. But server pricing and peoples relationship with gold varies.

[chilly brook]

200k for a very very very negligible benefit

👀

You probably get more benefit from stat food than properly itemized bracers tbh

I'd rather spend the 200k on consumables or something

[waxen cradle]

The bracers I have are 213- Crit/Haste -24 Crit/49Haste, the Bracers I can go to are

So even swapping I gain 7 item levels and a socket so I lose a little haste and gain a little back plus a small main stat boost

[chilly brook]

This is just me

But I'd probably go for the ring

[blissful pebble]

Ring you are unlikely to change this tier it is a permanent upgrade that is where I am too.

[waxen cradle]

The ring I have I would be swapping against is a 207 equipped of exact same stats but a 226 exact same stats

[blissful pebble]

You can spend Stygia socketing and be confident you wont replace it this tier.

[chilly brook]

Should be a big stat budget gain

From 207 to 226 on a ring

[waxen cradle]

the 226 in vault is replacing a 207 exact same ring

[chilly brook]

Yea

And how much extra stats are you getting from it?

[waxen cradle]

from the ring upgrade going from a 207 to 226, 20 haste, 18 stam, 10 vers

[strong forum]

Huge

[chilly brook]

And what's the gain on the bracers?

Like 3 armor 2 stam 3 strength 2 of each secondary

Probably

Any way you cut it you're likely getting more stats out of the ring

Even if you include the socket

[undone jacinth]

naw, only 5 pieces

[blissful pebble]

Bracers you will likely replace again at some point, either in weekly chest or the boe you can buy or Huntsman Mythic if that is or will become an option for you. The ring however I dont see you replacing this tier.

[waxen cradle]

bracers would be going from 213 bracers to 220 bracers, 4 armor, 3 str, 6 stam, 48 vers, 28 mastery, 1x socket, lose 24 crit, 49 haste

[blissful pebble]

5 Pieces, 6 slots (2 x ring).

[undone jacinth]

tru

[uneven mason]

if you 100% ignore the 3armr and 3 str

which are worth 4x the 2ndaries

[mossy sluice]

never gonna replace stitchflesh ring, will replace bracers is what i would base it on

[chilly brook]

Not to mention you'll probably bump that 20 haste gain up to 36 because you can enchant it and your current ring is already likely enchanted

[waxen cradle]

yeah it is

[blissful pebble]

And dont under estimate the value of a permanent upgrade that you can safely spend your hard earned stygia on.

[undone jacinth]

^

the only good answer

😄

[chilly brook]

Even if we go that route it's still a lower number than the ring

[waxen cradle]

yeah that is why its been a tough choice the option to turn around and add a socket has hinged my choice between the 2

[undone jacinth]

there’s no choice dude

[chilly brook]

The ring is the go to tbh plenty of other ways to get bracers

[undone jacinth]

ring every day

[chilly brook]

And bracers are not that impactful

[mossy sluice]

once xrealm mythic opens up huntsman will be 100% puggable

even if you're not going into mythic raid

[undone jacinth]

it already is on server yeah

[mossy sluice]

low pop realm struggles

[undone jacinth]

for sure

that’s why you leave them!

[uneven mason]

then they just merge them into a mega realm with negative community

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[undone jacinth]

never look back

[uneven mason]

should just supershard wow

[waxen cradle]

nice kirby table flip

[undone jacinth]

go with the masses and be strong

[uneven mason]

1 server

[outer solstice]

damn that's a nice keyboard

[lavish oracle]

is a 13 ilvl ring upgrade worth it if it loses me 4% haste?

it doesn't feel worth it but it probably is :c

[outer solstice]

oof

[chilly brook]

People actually pug huntsboi?

[outer solstice]

yeah

some even pug destroyer

with infinite raid tools

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile progging on inerva

[livid dawn]

Isn't it?! My fiance is buying one asap

[chilly brook]

Btw

Inerva actually isn't all that bad

[mossy sluice]

just dps her 4head

[undone jacinth]

it’s a patchwerk

it’s hard if you suck

[chilly brook]

Playing with game sound makes any issue you might have 100x easier

[waxen cradle]

Can trinkets come from the weekly event ? I forget ? I am sure they can but its usually something I never see so just wondering

[fickle terrace]

i was lucky getting a 226 shield last week in my vault. should i swap to fury unless i want blood-splattered?

[chilly brook]

Cuz just turn in the direction you heard the sound

[sick sentinel]

this week in a nutshell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoS-pMWCnvk

[chilly brook]

Dont even have to see the shades

[frail wyvern]

But dps can barely cope with 3 orbs on heroic 😂

[undone jacinth]

that’s what I’ve been doing but it’s up to you, depends how much you off spec probably

[chilly brook]

Really it's a DPS and healers gotta learn their job fight

And uhhh

The later is where the problem seems to come in with lines

[frail wyvern]

With the spinning ones?

[outer solstice]

do you even get the spinny ones?

[frail wyvern]

Not anymore on hc, but I imagine progging mythic we will

[chilly brook]

On mythic yes

[mossy sluice]

think lines are empowered on the 3rd jar so probamaybe

[chilly brook]

But uh no just lining it up and living as a healer seems to be an issue

[fickle terrace]

@undone jacinth ill try that. if i feel i need that trinket ill try and farm one since i dont have m0 even. might be greedy to hope for a 226 after the shield 😄

[mossy sluice]

is infinite raid tools sick? never heard of it until it was mentioned like 5 mins ago

[waxen cradle]

in the dungeon journal Blood Splattered is classified as a tank trinket so why swap to fury to try and get it ?

[undone jacinth]

tbh the 210 scale is still insane so just go for that

[outer solstice]

for hungering destroyer it seems super strong

[undone jacinth]

it’s very good for hungering

[mossy sluice]

we just killed destroyer last week and had to use like 2 diff weakauras with ERT

and it was a headache

[chilly brook]

We just did some big brain strat for hungering

[undone jacinth]

but tbh once ur guys understand hungering all you need is the one weak aura for their hp and marks

[chilly brook]

And by big brain I mean smooth brain

[jagged pier]

@livid dawn just checked vantus runes are 700g on my server C:

[chilly brook]

We separated into two groups

And all 4 miasmas jumped between the two groups

[fickle terrace]

@waxen cradle i got a shield last week, swapping to fury would be for a one-handed weapon

[outer solstice]

lol

[frail wyvern]

Only thing I would change is for IRT to have more sounds for hungering so tunnelling dps notice they are supposed to be soaking

[chilly brook]

Because apparently having anyone other than miasmas be responsible is too difficult

[mossy sluice]

big true

[undone jacinth]

stand on your mark, move out at 12 stacks

gg

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[waxen cradle]

@fickle terrace Ah I see I missed that part my fault

[chilly brook]

I disliked the new strat ngl

[undone jacinth]

best strat I’ve seen is 4 tanks but we’ve never done it because duck it

[chilly brook]

Taking random spikes of 9k or more because all 4 miasmas moved on top of me at the same time as tanking the boss wasn't fun

4 tanks

Wat

[signal plover]

Fuckin'...what

[undone jacinth]

u have 4 tanks and two of them do all the soaking

people move to them when they need soaking

and move off when they don’t

[signal plover]

https://c.tenor.com/wamL_NeO8-wAAAAM/bunnies-what.gif

[chilly brook]

But why

Hungering is honestly so simple

[undone jacinth]

because it frees literally everyone else up

[signal plover]

This

[waxen cradle]

How many weeks we have left in the affix rotation I forget ? this week and 2 more or 3 more ?

[chilly brook]

But they're already freed up

[undone jacinth]

obviously they aren’t

they have to soak and manage it

[chilly brook]

Like oh hey guy is around 50% lemme hop in

[undone jacinth]

yeah so not freed up

[chilly brook]

Aight hes full lemme hop out

[undone jacinth]

exactly

[chilly brook]

But like it takes minimal brain power for that

👀

[undone jacinth]

minimal is more than 0

even if true

we don’t do it, I just think it’s a cool idea

if it were a later boss it’d be nice

[chilly brook]

The biggest benefit to that I could actually see is ranged could just pre spread

And that's about it

[waxen cradle]

Bless all you poor souls that trust people to use even half of there brains for more than 2 mins

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly brook]

Oh I dont

[waxen cradle]

lmao

[signal plover]

GL on like, artificer if you have to 4 tank fuckin Hungering

[outer solstice]

yeah artificer looks like a massive roadblock compared to the other fights there

[undone jacinth]

we aren’t 4 tanking it

[chilly brook]

Remember how I was talking about healers struggling with staying alive on inerva

[undone jacinth]

it’s just a cool strat

[outer solstice]

especially if personal responsibility is an issue

[signal plover]

"cool"

[outer solstice]

I'd say it's a padding strat

make DPS move less

they can pad more

[chilly brook]

That's in 32 pulls btw

[undone jacinth]

you don’t have to agree lol

[chilly brook]

And the specific person gets targeted every time

[undone jacinth]

I like it when ppl get creative with strats

[signal plover]

Cool

[undone jacinth]

why are u being such a mong lol

[outer solstice]

well that has always been a part of myhtic (heroic) raiding

[signal plover]

Top tier humor coming from u dude lol

[waxen cradle]

Alright dammit dont go using that word creative in here, Blizzard will here about it and call it a exploit and ban people

[undone jacinth]

how is that humour

I’m laughing at you

[outer solstice]

[signal plover]

K lol

[undone jacinth]

you just trying to be shitty because of a raid strat

don’t get it

[signal plover]

You can think it's cool and I can think it's dumb

0 difference

They're opinions bud

[undone jacinth]

not bothered by ur opinion just the way ur presenting it

[signal plover]

It's not mong to have an opposing viewpoint

[undone jacinth]

You didn’t present any viewpoint just responded like an asshole

[signal plover]

Thanks for the feedback lol

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

@signal plover

[signal plover]

Dude I know

Just gonna move along here

[undone jacinth]

oh yeah I forgot you’re allowed to be assholes and put it on me

[signal plover]

Yep that's it

[undone jacinth]

cool boy club

[waxen cradle]

Ok on to a new subject, seeing as I am Kyrian it feels really underwhelming to know I will reach the end of Pelagos's conduit tree to get a rather meh conduit bonus. I say this because of what the final conduit once was for Pelagos

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/drdisrespect-the-doc-drd-slouch-pudge-gif-18045171

[signal plover]

Thats just his first one now tho

[undone jacinth]

go mikanikos and have a laugh with the knock back

then reroll necrolord like a real man

[chilly brook]

I mean the last row for pepegos is still good

Theres a lot of non physical damage

[signal plover]

I wish there was a way to reliably summon Bron :/

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[signal plover]

3% is 3%

[chilly brook]

And that 3% only gets better as the damage goes up

📈

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I suppose that is true

[chilly brook]

Partially why vers isn't as good at lower key levels

But actually becomes more useful at higher key levels

Btw the blizzcon mount is dope

[undone jacinth]

Is that the frost bear?

[chilly brook]

Yea

[undone jacinth]

I saw one yesterday

Didn’t know what it was

[chilly brook]

The mount special is cool

And you drop snowballs

That can be looted

[waxen cradle]

I would go necrolord probably only for the sick mogs and mount, something about the whole "HEY guys I got a banner that will buff you but you gotta stay really close, AND >_> yeah only 2 of you" feels like shit

[chilly brook]

[undone jacinth]

it looks dope yeah

[undone jacinth]

I think you mean everything about the banner feels like shit 😂

[chilly brook]

Kinda annoyed that I bricked that 15 NW last night

[undone jacinth]

but that’s why you go necro... it’s a statement

[waxen cradle]

@undone jacinth Exactly

[chilly brook]

Rogue had to relog

Came back

Got prideful

And then went AFK after prideful died

Wiped at 40% on second boss

[undone jacinth]

It being shit makes it better when you think about it

[chilly brook]

Because the man was AFK right after prideful without saying anything

[undone jacinth]

Cool

[waxen cradle]

Its hilarious though the banner, I can envision it, a Warrior comes running up with the banner and uses it like a idiot when a mechanic in raid requires spreading and the whole thing is wasted or damn near is and that is if they are smart enough to realize how shit it is on any situation where 2 others could not be stacked close to get the buff in the first place

[chilly brook]

Necrolord is like

[undone jacinth]

it’d be even better if bliz just forgot about it and made it like other abilities where they disappear after they are cast

so the guys couldn’t even see it

[chilly brook]

"We heard you liked banners heres a banner with nothing that made your old ones good"

[waxen cradle]

I am envisioning a meme for it I must go create it

OH WAIT it is a meme itself, job done

[undone jacinth]

the only true way to create it is rerolling

become the meme

[waxen cradle]

lmao

[undone jacinth]

dream to imagine

[waxen cradle]

honestly I dont know who came up with that covenant ability for us at Blizzard, but I hope they did not pay them to well for it because they got ripped off

[undone jacinth]

well it was actually good, super good

it got nerfed a bunch of times

[safe fulcrum]

Quick question, is Gluttonous spike a good trinket for tanking? I see a lot of warriors use it but neither Wowhead nor Icy veins mentions it

[chilly brook]

It's fine

Likely just using what they have

[orchid frigate]

so weekly heroic loot quest next week. wouldnt dreamed in the beginning of expansion that it would be relevant 2 months in 😄

[undone jacinth]

as on tomorrow for eu?

[orchid frigate]

mhm

[undone jacinth]

oh that’s nice actually

[chilly brook]

Barely relevant to me anymore tbh

[undone jacinth]

it’s not arena is it

[uneven mason]

this

[undone jacinth]

or pvp of some kind

[uneven mason]

its mythic dungeons

[chilly brook]

Only things I have left are a ring and legs

That are under 213

[undone jacinth]

oh perfection

the alts are getting a boost

[safe fulcrum]

So would Gluttonous spike be better than Sanguine vintage or Stone legion heraldry?

[uneven mason]

this far into BFA even just from M+ I would've been full "max ilvl (barring extreme TF)"

[chilly brook]

It'll be super nice for my rogue

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I have a very fleeting non existant hope that I can get a trinket from it but as I have never seen that happen I doubt it will

[chilly brook]

Itd be better than vintage if you dont need survival otherwise vintage would be better

Since vintage doesnt have any damage attached

[undone jacinth]

alar trinket from it plz blizz

[chilly brook]

Stone Legion Heraldry is just a slot it and forget about it imo

Good from a damage and survival perspective

[uneven mason]

best type of trinket

[waxen cradle]

I like how the Alar trinket flys under the radar as a cheat death and not a terrible self heal trinket to boot. I mean I think people ignore it sometimes because well they may be a tank class that has a cheat death and the fact that its cd is so long

[frail wyvern]

Gluttonous & heraldry is the lazy boi dream

[uneven mason]

its not really a cheat death

[chilly brook]

I like stat sticks tbh

Loved arcanocrystal

[uneven mason]

are they not a "slot and forget"

[chilly brook]

Yea they are

That's what I'm saying

[uneven mason]

right

[chilly brook]

I love stat stick trinkets

[uneven mason]

so, I agree.

WTB Str/vers stat stick

but no stat sticks this Xpac

because bliz knows us too well

trinkets have to be creative

[undone jacinth]

I think it gets a decent amount of props at the top end and the cd resets when you die so you can game it

[torn gulch]

good evening
does incrustable quantum device give random secondaries?

or it favors certain secondaries

[undone jacinth]

it favours certain ones

[torn gulch]

in what way would you be able to direct me to a resource with more info about this?

[undone jacinth]

it’s basically based on your highest stat but there’s variance - the best thing to do is get the weak aura that shows you what it’s going to give you

I don’t have a link but just search the trinket on wago and you’ll find it

it’ll show you what it’s going to do before you press it then you’ll get used to how to game it

you really wanna avoid using it as Prot if you can find a better option though, if you were wondering that too

[sick sentinel]

would the leaper legendary be considered mandatory for high keys ?

[jagged pier]

no

[undone jacinth]

Yes

But only if you’re equipping a 2hander

[cinder nova]

Sheet music any good?

[jagged pier]

if u can get it in a corner yes

as all the adds spawn on top of each other

[pastel sleet]

question:

logs show that the wall is roughly = thunderlord for keys. for awhile i assumed that was because people had higher level walls because raid tanking... now i am not so sure. is there a pros/cons list that someone can point me too. ive been running Thunderlord, but am considering switching if it is worth.

[undone jacinth]

it’s preference

your lack of clarity is probably because the group the player is in matters way more than Lego

[uneven mason]

TL Is a DPS step up over wall, wall is more survivability.
Use one or the other, they're both more or less equal in both raid and M+

TW is stronger "where it counts" for raiding though, giving you the major CD reliably for most tankbusters

[pastel sleet]

how much of a cdr is wall?

[uneven mason]

considerable

[undone jacinth]

2.5min most of the time

[prisma swift]

heroic, [Splintered Heart of Al'ar], think its worth getting over a 200 > 213 belt uprade?

[lofty widget]

1.5-2 min cd

[uneven mason]

between AM TW and Conduit my Shield wall is available every 1minute

what other trinket do you have?

[pastel sleet]

damn

[lofty widget]

if you need it, aka raid prog or key push imo

[amber herald]

trinkets more fun

[prisma swift]

i have glutiouns spike and 220 coleasted hatred for m+ and 207 stone legion

[uneven mason]

except for that one, I can honestly say the alar trinket is very bland

it'll save your group from wipes for sure

[amber herald]

you can proc it on purpose

[uneven mason]

utility wise in M+

yeah

[prisma swift]

it seems very situationally uesfull for high keys and progression raid fights only

[uneven mason]

gives you that good feeling that BDK and VDH get to enjoy

during progression it goes off pretty reliably for me

[mighty valley]

it's not bland when you successfully kill a DPS with it

and finish out the fight while they complain

[undone jacinth]

^

[mighty valley]

chef's kiss

[undone jacinth]

a connoisseur

[prisma swift]

any idea what the radius on it is?

[mighty valley]

it's small, it doesn't hit friends in most normal positioning

[undone jacinth]

someone in here said it's 5 yards

but not sure

[prisma swift]

lol, gonna kill my OT durring sludgefist, i can feel it

[undone jacinth]

just hope he doesn't have one too and kills you back

[chilly brook]

In our 6:22 Hungering kill this is the CDR from just TW

In minutes

And itd be higher on other fights because no downtime

[urban portal]

can i safely unbind ww?

revenge is a strictly better version right

[chilly brook]

Yes lol

[uneven mason]

uh

[chilly brook]

Just take ww off the bar

[uneven mason]

should've never bound WW

[timber lagoon]

You have ww bound?

[uneven mason]

the only time WW Is good

[sweet summit]

thoughts on signet+bonegrinder @chilly brook

[uneven mason]

is when you have 100% chance for SS to proc WW and WW Pulls 3 targets to you in torghast

[chilly brook]

What're those

[uneven mason]

its quite hilarious

[livid dawn]

So I just tanked my first M0

and I was told to switch out devastator for warmachine

[sweet summit]

signet lego+this

[livid dawn]

and booming voice for best served cold

thoughts?

[chilly brook]

Oh

[sweet summit]

bv

[chilly brook]

Uhh

[pastel vector]

gross

[chilly brook]

Not worth

[pastel vector]

absolutely nt

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

bsc with the revenge lego if you wanna slap dps and dont care about anything else

in aoe

[chilly brook]

^

It's also fun ngl

[livid dawn]

It's a guild farm group to get us quickly geared

maybe that's the context

[pastel vector]

Tbj i was just looking at the Revenge Lego and wondered if dmg is an issue in M+ vs Survivability, why that isnt used

[livid dawn]

I'm trying to hold threat against people who are 210+ ilvl when I'm 148

[chilly brook]

Lmao

That's not gonna happen

Period

On any tank

[pastel vector]

if you are 148 you shouldnt be anywhere NEAR M+

[livid dawn]

Challenging shout on cooldown

Hey, they insisted I come

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly brook]

You're not holding threat on any tank at that ilvl against people above 200ilvl

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12g8HbeHtc i know this isn't world of warcraft, but we talk about doing m+ here alot, which is alot like speed running an NES game in under 1 hour

i just enjoy his content and how he goes into how it's all done.

[uneven mason]

Literally impossible

unless you have a hunter/rogue who are just tricksdirecting to you constantly

[lunar perch]

Had an ilvl175 druid tank as an ilvl203 warrior and was constantly taking aggro away from it

[livid dawn]

But like... would the talent choices make more sense in that context

[torn stump]

is anyone pointing out that these M+ nerfs are just going to increase the level of key doable by kiting

[livid dawn]

or is he just wrong

[uneven mason]

no

[lunar perch]

ilvl148 is nooot gonna cut it

[uneven mason]

He's wrong

War Machine has a niche

[pastel vector]

hes not wrong, notihng is going to change your aggro problem

[uneven mason]

a very small one

and that isn't it

[livid dawn]

So he's a baddie

[uneven mason]

ehhh

he's probably misinformed

[pastel vector]

That much of an iLvl difference is a huge problem

[uneven mason]

Warriors are a low damage tank to begin with

but just those changes would do nothing

also, Devastator is higher aggro than WM

[pastel vector]

shit im 202, and when my Fire mage buddy pops combust i HAVE to Spear + Ravager just to hold aggro because hes bursting 15k

[uneven mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, some DPS will yank no matter what

[chilly brook]

I mean I applied to a 16 yesterday and got asked this

So yes

[uneven mason]

its literally why MM hunters are somewhat part of the "meta" for M+

[chilly brook]

People are just uninformed

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[pastel vector]

Which further takes me back, if our damage is so low, why is the Revenge Leggo not a better option?

In comparison to TL or Wall

[undone jacinth]

I got asked if I had a lego as I required one to time a +7

[uneven mason]

Because TL and TW are both DPS gains

[quaint glade]

Apparently one priest with 1.3k rio cannot keep me full hp in DOS 11+ thus I spam ignore pain and shit block by cd

[undone jacinth]

very smaht

[quaint glade]

Then they blame me

Do you guys think it’s ok? To keep tank at 30%

[undone jacinth]

you need to post logs

for a real answer

[chilly brook]

No but it could also be you

[uneven mason]

IDK

[chilly brook]

Too many variables

[pastel vector]

SR + BSC seens like it would be a significant dps increase as well no?

[uneven mason]

I Mean, DOS has some packs that truck hard on Fort

[chilly brook]

Lots of people think they play prot well

[undone jacinth]

usually if you are dying then there is something you could have done differently

[chilly brook]

But they dont

[quaint glade]

I’m not the best but I was spamming ignore pain and shield block

And it’s 11+ not 15+

[chilly brook]

Doesnt mean it was effective

[quaint glade]

A healer who has 1.3k rio shouldn’t be like that no?

[uneven mason]

THink about it this way, BSC is buffing 1 ability by 20%

[undone jacinth]

you gotta realise this is the same thnig tons of people say who come in here

[uneven mason]

BV buffs all abilities by 20%

[undone jacinth]

til we realise they actually arent casting spells

[chilly brook]

No healer is gonna keep someone up who isn't doing their job

[uneven mason]

the math has been done, yeah its a slight DPS upgrade

[undone jacinth]

its not your healers rio score that keeps you alive

[uneven mason]

Remember that one warrior who was literally not using IP and SW on Sire?

[pastel vector]

Yeah that makes sense, i totally missed that portion of BV

[quaint glade]

Can I see the logs even if it was left?

[chilly brook]

You can spam IP as much as you like

It wont save you from not kicking shadowcore

[uneven mason]

the SR + BSC DPS gain is larger than BV + TL, in a very miniscule amount if you can pump all rage into Rev

but you sacrifice a TON of survivability to do it

so, its like, something @strong forum would do

[lunar perch]

LOL

[pastel vector]

Makes sense. Im crafting my Prot leggo tomorrow... just trying to figure out which one will be of more benefit

[late notch]

Is it possible, at all, to make venthyr work for prot, or do I need to swap to kyrian since my guild needs me to tank now.

[pastel vector]

TL vs TW

[uneven mason]

I prefer TW

[undone jacinth]

craft wall

[uneven mason]

but I do more raid tanking

[undone jacinth]

quality of life better

[uneven mason]

TW is huge rage gains

[pastel vector]

Ill be doing both raid tanking AND M+ tanking

[undone jacinth]

easier to get the most out of

[uneven mason]

TL is a perfect balance of Offense and Defense

but TW certainly makes my Rev/IP pumping feel smoother

[glad lintel]

woops

wrong chat

[uneven mason]

we like signet too

big prot bladestorms

[glad lintel]

its a great legendary

[chilly brook]

No we dont

[lunar perch]

My favourite part of Torghast is proccing Signet anima power and having a 20 year duration Bladestorm

[undone jacinth]

careful ikar or you'll end up agreeing with me on something

that'll exclude you from the cool boy club

[pastel vector]

sounds like TW is my option

[uneven mason]

I only agree with logical reasoning

or table flips

[chilly brook]

I'm only salty about signet because it doesnt work with ravager

[glad lintel]

how is prot rn?

[uneven mason]

right

[glad lintel]

havent heard much from prot

[uneven mason]

Prot is 🧱

[undone jacinth]

its alright

[uneven mason]

thats the way we like it

[undone jacinth]

just not one of the big boys

[uneven mason]

under the raidar, passively OP

we can't kite while casting spells like some purple and pink boys do

but in the arena of face tanking we're unsurpassed (by like, a nose hair amount)

[sturdy sable]

yeah but we block good

[uneven mason]

actually I'll revise that, we're head and shoulders above pal brm and vdh in the arena of facetanking

[glad lintel]

yeah i wanna get back into tanking but also id have to learn how to kite WAY better cause thats what this xpac is

[uneven mason]

poor protadins

glass cannons

[uneven mason]

Whats your expected content ceiling?

if you're not already doing top content, I'm assuming you're looking to work your way up

in that case, you don't need to kite

like, outside of necrotic

kiting is for +20s and above

which is what, like, 0.001% of the population right now?

[glad lintel]

yeah im just trying to get as high of ilvl as possible, wiht my guild rn we're about to clear normal and so we'll be doing heroic next, and for mythics im only up to like +9

[chilly brook]

Normal is ez pz

[glad lintel]

i would be WAY hiogher ilvl if i could get rid of this fucking 158 ring

[chilly brook]

Do m0s

And if that doesnt work you should be able to get a 171 ring from world quests

Or just buy a 500g 168 socketed ring off the AH

[glad lintel]

yeah could do that

[frail wyvern]

I play prot as venthyr, it's fine. I did do a race change to get the dwarf racial in place of phial though

[undone jacinth]

dark iron or no?

[frail wyvern]

yah

[uneven mason]

#1 Rio prot is venthyr

[undone jacinth]

phew

[frail wyvern]

+str for 8s is pog

[amber herald]

venth dwarf is probably pretty sweet

[solemn magnet]

Plka debating switching to kyrian on stream yesterday, if that means anything.

[uneven mason]

would allow more push

[undone jacinth]

I think you'll find if pika follows his heart he will soon be necrolord

[frail wyvern]

wait until 9.1 and they mess with covenants, maybe you will get your wish dolphin

[uneven mason]

buff that fire mage deepus

[frail wyvern]

Necro bis

[solemn magnet]

I'd love to switch to necrolords.

[uneven mason]

I Mean, its 20% crit damage right?

[undone jacinth]

best to make the move now and preempt the change

so that you can switch away from it when its bis

before the next rebalance

[uneven mason]

I enjoy NF

but their Xmog is 🤮

[undone jacinth]

only you get the crit damage

allies just get crit

[amber herald]

WRONG

[late notch]

So it's possible then

[undone jacinth]

if allies got crit damage it would actually be good on some specs

[late notch]

It just feels pointless to ever use condemn

[undone jacinth]

in aoe it is

[amber herald]

honestly they're all good depending what you want except necrolord

[late notch]

I'm debating kyrian a bit because I like to PVP too, but I really like being the target killer in RBGs as arms, and venthyr does that.

I am being swapped with our blood dk since she's going to go Unholy.

[frail wyvern]

Once I hit around 210-212 ilvl, I could just condemn & SB on bosses without losing much survivability. It brings nothing to the party for AoE though, as they guys already said

[timber lagoon]

Does feel good to pump bosses with condemn

[late notch]

My damage is good, I'm consistently getting 94+ parses, but I'm still not impacting the meter at all aside from Huntsman and SLG

[mighty valley]

It's not even that rage inefficient compared to IP against a single target, and also rips

[undone jacinth]

honestly kero whatever you pick is more than viable

just pick the one that suits you the most

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason you know what's sad?

[frail wyvern]

Do around 5-6k dps during condemn windows at 217 ilvl, which boosts overall quite a lot

[uneven mason]

besides me?

[late notch]

I honestly just don't want to have to switch to feel like I can be a good tank for my guild

[amber herald]

no one's talking about furrygang

[chilly brook]

I really dont care what I get on my warrior this week

All I care about is my rogue

[undone jacinth]

you absolutely do not have to do this

[amber herald]

you don't

[late notch]

Thank you

[undone jacinth]

your covenant is not relevant on the scale

[late notch]

Then the cleave god stays

[late notch]

Don't get me started on the clowning I get for being pandaren

[undone jacinth]

i'm panda too bro

[late notch]

We are not even on the pie chart lol

[undone jacinth]

haha I know

are you female?

[late notch]

But the double food is so pog

[undone jacinth]

yea double feast is actually dope

[late notch]

Yup

[frail wyvern]

you get double food buff? ;o

[undone jacinth]

pandas get 2x food

[late notch]

Because the armor actually looks good on female pandaren and not stretched out like some races

[undone jacinth]

yea indeed

[late notch]

I'll post in tmog, hold on

[undone jacinth]

the combat stance with 2handers on male and female is sick as well

[chilly brook]

Pandaren are sick

[frail wyvern]

Well I guess that racial synergises somewhat with Nadjia's final slot as Venthyr for you Kero, if you need an excuse to use to your officers 😄

[late notch]

I am an officer

That's why I'm so conflicted

My dps is consistent, I parse well, but I'm still stuck at the bottom

[frail wyvern]

I out dps our VDH on single target now, similar gear

condemn is god

[late notch]

I'm 223

I'm being beaten by our 215 WW

[frail wyvern]

is that as arms/fury?

[late notch]

Arms for ST/Hunts/SLG, Fury for Sun King and Sire.

[chilly brook]

I mean

My guy

Ww

[late notch]

My arms/fury is equal on Sire

[frail wyvern]

I wanted to be dps, went tank this tier because dps is looooow

[undone jacinth]

wheres ur tmog bro

[late notch]

It's in #transmog

[undone jacinth]

oh wtf theres a transmog room

[late notch]

Yeah

[subtle oak]

thoughts?

[undone jacinth]

holy hell wtf is that fur fucking coat youve got

[late notch]

That's things pretty beautiful my dude

It's the current tier chest

[undone jacinth]

😮

[chilly brook]

My guy

[undone jacinth]

bruh I've got like literally 2 plate items for tmog lmao

check mine out

[chilly brook]

Just take a look

[late notch]

Look at it again

[chilly brook]

WW is just better

[late notch]

I know WW is better

The running rule in my raid team for awhile was I don't get benched until people actually start beating my dps

[undone jacinth]

uh oh

that's not a game you wanna play with warrior

[frail wyvern]

so now instead of benched you switch to tank to keep your spot? Big brain play right there

[late notch]

Yeah, because our blood dk is almost equal in gear to me, but doesn't really know Unholy

[undone jacinth]

where did you get your shoulders

[late notch]

So, she's practicing that, and once she is at least above me, we swap

Mythic Nighthold dk set

[undone jacinth]

your char looks super unique

[late notch]

Like, I'm also just not happy with my dps overall even though the parse is good

[undone jacinth]

that sounds like warrior life

[late notch]

So, we tank now

Built Thunderlord last week, building The Wall this week, I have a 235 Signet, a 225 Unhinged.

[mighty valley]

you're about to get 3% for free, that isn't nothing

[chilly brook]

I mean are you just heroic or are you doing mythic?

[late notch]

It's not nothing, but it's not game changing

We are at mythic Sun King

[chilly brook]

Ah k

[late notch]

I max out at about 40k on the shield

[chilly brook]

Was just gonna say that honestly if you're parsing well I dont know if youd need to swap roles lol but hey it is what it is

[signal plover]

Are u shattering it?

[late notch]

Like, heroic was fine, my mythic shriek sucks, mythic huntsman is my best fight overall.

[late notch]

I really hope that doesn't actually work.

[undone jacinth]

it does

[mighty valley]

does 500% extra damage to absorb shields

[signal plover]

It does giga dmg to absorbs

[frail wyvern]

2 target Cleave fights are where it's at for DPS warr tbh

[late notch]

WHAT THE HELL

[mighty valley]

right there on the tooltip

[jagged pier]

i mean it does 10-12k and you can cast it on first and last shield

[late notch]

...

Yeah, I'm getting benched for stupidity now

[signal plover]

Beeg bada boom

[undone jacinth]

sire is a pretty well designed fight for warr though

I'm thinking about swapping to warr main for rest of prog

[mighty valley]

just say you "discovered new tech" and it'll make you look smart

[undone jacinth]

as dps

[late notch]

No, we just don't bring this up

[frail wyvern]

Generals is pretty good for DPS warr too I believe

[late notch]

Pretend like it got hotfixed in

[undone jacinth]

ya it is

and both are horrible to play as my main

so 😛

[late notch]

Might save my whole damn career

[signal plover]

Then since Inerva is prolly next u should get a spot cuz of spell reflect cheese

And the same can be said for artificer to an extent

[frail wyvern]

I thought I saw a hotfix for the Inerva SR, or was that something else?

[mighty valley]

they patched out the biggest inerva reflect cheese sadly

yeah

but people still undervalue 20% magic DR

[shadow pike]

Spell reflect is getting nerfed so hard that pretty soon its just gonna reflect itself off our hot bars

[mighty valley]

it's still huge lol

[frail wyvern]

wait I can reflect blood price on Sire? Do you not get picked up in the air then?

[undone jacinth]

you do

just stops the dmg to you

and does like a tiny bit to him

[frail wyvern]

nice trick, I shall use that

Dunno why I didn't check the sheet in the pins before

[chilly brook]

Spell reflect on inerva is huge

[undone jacinth]

croman looks like he has actual 0 brain cells

[late notch]

I love Spell Reflecting Blood Price as dps

[woeful vine]

@dawn imp i'm 67th. there are 955 prot on ZJ currently

[frail wyvern]

With all that SR can be used on for Inerva, what is it best to use on?

[chilly brook]

You might be 67th for prot

But you're #1 for beard and hair combo

[woeful vine]

haha thanks mate

[late notch]

I'm 51 overall warrior on Tich, top 100 bros

[woeful vine]

hell yeah

[chilly brook]

I'm 10 on thrall

I need to actually push

[late notch]

People still play on Thrall?

[undone jacinth]

10 prot warrs do

[woeful vine]

this week will be much nicer to us in keys.

[chilly brook]

Still the largest server or one of lol

[late notch]

True that

This week is my "Push my tank io up" week

[chilly brook]

This is my actually take KSM seriously for once week

[frail wyvern]

89 on Silvermoon....with 860 rio xD

[undone jacinth]

silvermoon ally or horde tho?

[late notch]

I got KSM two weeks ago, so I'm happy

[frail wyvern]

I been a lazy boy with the keys 😦

[late notch]

I pushed so many I was burnt out last week.

[mighty valley]

Good week to be burned out on

[undone jacinth]

you mean you missed all the necrotic bolster fun?

[woeful vine]

i think i did 35 last week

[late notch]

Oh yeah, perfect week for it

[chilly brook]

I just couldn't be bothered

And anytime I could

The people I usually do keys with weren't able to or willing

I swear everytime I want to push keys they just wanna do 13s or 14s

[late notch]

I played the pug life and sat on read for 2 hours at a time

[woeful vine]

i learned my lesson with pugs last week

dps not wanting to cc, telling me to just kite lol.

[undone jacinth]

when your dungeon starts and healer tells you how many stacks to go up to

you know they've seen a lot of horrors that week

[frail wyvern]

didn't you know? kiting is the new tanking, apparently

[chilly brook]

Pugging is a mixed bag

[woeful vine]

yeah.. kiting.. so tanky

[late notch]

I had a vengeance DH just decide to leave a key last week on me because he was angry at the unholy dk for dying.

[chilly brook]

Tbh pugging is at it's best when it's your key

Just be a picky asshole

Wait for good io players and check their logs

[late notch]

He got picked up for another key I was in, so I just threw his ass under the bus so fast he tried to make fetch happen.

[chilly brook]

It goes a long way

[frail wyvern]

We had a hunter join our 4/5 guild group, look at my rio and leave...got another and timed the 14 no problem

[cinder storm]

6th on Hyjal, havent pushed in a few weeks

[woeful vine]

nice

[chilly brook]

Checking peoples logs is honestly one of the best changes I've made tbh

It's kinda extra

[woeful vine]

i started the xpack as a prot paladin. my guild leader told me warriors were going to be shit (i've been prot warrior since BC) then i started seeing warriors climb so i switched back. i'd be about 215 or so on him if i started warrior

[chilly brook]

But it also works

[woeful vine]

yeah just takes a few minutes to set up the group

[chilly brook]

I'd rather spend a few extra minutes getting a good group

[woeful vine]

but chekcing first saves headaches

[chilly brook]

Than failing the key

[late notch]

I told my raid leader that I was going warrior, he said, "warrior is going to suck, but I know you'll be the best sucker we have"

[frail wyvern]

the kind of people you don't want to play with are the ones who leave because you're taking a few mins to setup a good team

[woeful vine]

exactly

they're the kind of person likely to just leave after 1 wipe and then you have to drop your key

[frail wyvern]

indeed

[frail wyvern]

You mean even your battleshout wasn't worthy of inclusion? 😄

[late notch]

My guild title is "Buff Bitch"

[woeful vine]

lol

[chilly brook]

I went prot because blood is ass

And it let our arms boi go ww

Because our old WW was ass

Oh plus prot is just fun af

[late notch]

I tried WW, just never liked the rotation.

Everyone says it feels like arms.

I call them liars.

[chilly brook]

Wat

Ww is nothing like arms

[woeful vine]

i prefer arms over fury.

[chilly brook]

I'd say it's the best designed dps spec in the game

[late notch]

Same

[chilly brook]

But I would never say it's like arms

[late notch]

I am just not fond of it

[chilly brook]

Understandable

[late notch]

Personal taste.

Glad I didn't swap to it

[chilly brook]

Good design doesnt always mean fun for everyone

[frail wyvern]

I love the playstyle of fury, just hits like a noodle right now

[chilly brook]

[late notch]

I hate fury, it just feels so boring.

[chilly brook]

I mean if I was gonna go dps I'd play outlaw

Which a lot of people hate

But I love it

[frail wyvern]

outlaw I enjoy too

[chilly brook]

Still very much considering rerolling to it

[woeful vine]

i've never really dps'd on anything . i've always preferred to tank. even when i dps on my warrior i feel like i'm cheating on my shield

[chilly brook]

The recent tuning of dungeons though gives me hope

That tanking wont remain in the gutter

[frail wyvern]

I think Blizz are aware of some tank related issues, I just don't think we will see tuning until 9.1

[woeful vine]

i think it was on here that someone posted the dev team said " we're seeing that tanks are feeling like they're kiting more than they're tanking, and we want to fix that"

[chilly brook]

It's a shame they didn't listen to these issues during beta....

[woeful vine]

i agree

[chilly brook]

That were raised by high end players....

[uneven mason]

I Mean

[frail wyvern]

When do they ever listen to issues during beta?

[undone jacinth]

as long as they keep trying to make high keys less depressing we're good

[chilly brook]

They did listen to a lot on beta

[uneven mason]

It was hard to sort through the 1000s of hours of bullcrap that was produced during beta

[chilly brook]

But for tanks for some reason

They just kept nerfing us

And now they act surprised when the dungeons are overtuned and tanks are undertuned

[frail wyvern]

I mean they spent loads of resources messing with tourghast rather than using it on class design

I know different teams and all that

[chilly brook]

Not true

[undone jacinth]

pretty sure most of their time went on covenants

and class balance

[chilly brook]

Considering how many reworks a lot of things went through

They did a LOT of class/covenant balancing

[undone jacinth]

all the way up to literally launch week

[chilly brook]

Priest got reworks like 3 times

Feral got a few looks

[undone jacinth]

ha!

[uneven mason]

sadly we're at the bottom of the alphabet and they start at A every time

[chilly brook]

BrM got a major rework

[woeful vine]

lol

[chilly brook]

Prot paladin completely changed

[uneven mason]

"Major rework" - removed boring button and made spec more boring by making said button baseline

Prot is more or less the same as it has been in uh legion

[chilly brook]

Holy pally changed

[uneven mason]

Holy paladin got kicked in the knees

[chilly brook]

Nah man

Hpally pumps

Lots of bad ones though

[frail wyvern]

Our holy pala is really good, no problems in any content

[uneven mason]

I guess compared to late BFA we call got kicked in the knees

yeah HPal pumps for sure

[chilly brook]

Also

BrM getting shuffle but also getting stagger nerfs and adding in CB is a pretty major change

[undone jacinth]

brm feels way better to play now

[chilly brook]

Yep

And it actually can hurt you if you don't play well

I just wish BrM would go back to WoD playstyle

[undone jacinth]

well its just overall not designed as the natural take no damage tank

[chilly brook]

But I'm also fairly happy with current BrM

[undone jacinth]

any more

take a lot more damage but more you can do about it

which is how tank life should be

[mighty valley]

sometimes think Blizzard expects everyone to be happy going slower and waiting for gear before pushing up higher keys

but if we see one tank pushing past 15 on week one with ease, well...

was the same with torghast, where they thought everyone would be chill missing out on soul ash every week until they could gear up

but no, they ended up having to gut torghast

[jagged pier]

i mean people in here did 14s and 15s week one

[uneven mason]

there is slow and then there is literally not getting an upgrade from M+ chests or raid for 8 weeks

[frail wyvern]

I think they just made raiding an integral gearing mechanic this time around tbh

Especially for the average player who maybe does max +10 keys

[livid dawn]

You mean pvp?

[frail wyvern]

PvE gearing I mean

[mighty valley]

eh, I still haven't got a drop from raids that I've actually used, nor the raid vault slots

[frail wyvern]

PvP is just OP for gearing though

[mighty valley]

but every week my M+ vault slots have been good to great 🤷‍♂️

[uneven mason]

you are grossly overestimating the average player.

average player is frightened of M+ all together

mentioning a +2 to some folks and they're like DO YOU THINK WE"D BE GEARED FOR IT??? (at 180 ilvl)

[frail wyvern]

Lol maybe, it's hard to gauge what average is when you are doing higher stuff

[uneven mason]

yeah

like I saw that "Additional loot (But for M+ keys)"

and I was like What the hell is the point

[mighty valley]

honestly, the "average player" might not do any group content at all

we really underestimate what "casual" truly means

[uneven mason]

and some of my friends started making surprised faces like "OMG M0s give additional loot thats amazing!!!"

[frail wyvern]

pet battle's is where its at? 😄

[undone jacinth]

for all of legion literally all I did was log in, do class hall missions then log out

sometimes find somewhere to grind some humanoid mobs

as casual as it gets

I didnt even know m+ existed

[uneven mason]

So, yeah, granted I"m in this limbo where I'm done with normal and basically even +15s won't DROP upgrades too often, but nothings dropping in heroic for me either.

but i Don't quite have 20 people to move into mythic (nor do I think my fledgling guild is ready for it)

[frail wyvern]

are the rest of your guild doing +15's Ikar? I found I got quite a bit of raid gear traded to me

maybe we got lucky on plate stuff, I think our clothies are further behind

[stray sierra]

I just wish BrM would go back to WoD playstyle
@chilly brook

This was the most fun brm has ever been imo

[livid dawn]

Legion BRM though

I hate exploding keg being on a talent that is never allowed to be picked

[stray sierra]

Is thst dizzying haze or whatever

The spam keg thst slowed things

[livid dawn]

no idea

I thought it slowed as a baseline

[stray sierra]

That was a fun ability

I think they had it in mop/wod cant remember now

I dont mean keg smash. It was just some keg u threw did no dmg and just slowed things. Had a tsrget reticle

[uneven mason]

NOpe, I'm like the 2nd farthest progressed in my guild but I haven't had a ton of time to push keys or even do many dungeons.

most of my drops have been traded to me though

[undone jacinth]

brewmaster still has the talent where when you drink a brew it throws a key in the air

and it lands and slows everything

[uneven mason]

I think I've looted like shoulders from heroic

[undone jacinth]

also does damage

[uneven mason]

and kael'thas trinket

[undone jacinth]

but the talent is major poop

[uneven mason]

I got handed a weapon on our last COuncil kill because I was about to flip my desk after watching my co tnak get a shield orb on his 2nd raid ever

literally still wearing a 200ilvl pvp shield

[frail wyvern]

lol I still have a 197 wep 😦

[uneven mason]

yeah I was using the 197 pvp weapon

unil I got handed the heroic orb

then theres my wife who is like QQing about weapon drops being so slow and gets her damn bow first time she's in heroic

her alt mage picks up a MH weapon on her first M+ and then gets a 210 offhand in the vault

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[frail wyvern]

sounds like she has the lucky account, time to swap with her

[chilly brook]

Dizzying haze existed in WoD was removed in Legion when they revamped BrM to no longer have chi

It just costed energy

Did no damage

But generated threat

[chilly brook]

Legion BrM was stupid

It was what ruined the spec

[livid dawn]

D:

[uneven mason]

BFA BrM was even worse

Literally 0 brain required tank

stand there and just slap barrels for aggro

[chilly brook]

I meak BFA brm was just Legion BrM without a good blackout combo and without exploding keg

[uneven mason]

no mitigation tools required

[chilly brook]

That's it

[stray sierra]

I quit brm in legion and played ww

Cos i love the monk class

They ruined it imo

[chilly brook]

And further simplified by addition of ezmode talents like light Brewing

[stray sierra]

It is more like wod playstyle now than before

[chilly brook]

Literally Legion ruined everything monk except for WW

[stray sierra]

Wod still hsd vengeance right

For them big guards

[chilly brook]

Yea

[uneven mason]

Mistweavers uplift sniping...

[stray sierra]

Was fun

[chilly brook]

But no extra damage

But current BrM is great

[stray sierra]

Stopped playing end of brf :(

[uneven mason]

mebbie I'll level my monk next

[stray sierra]

Yeah wish i had tried it sooner, i wouldvd mained it. Instead i am play ele sham 🤔

[uneven mason]

actually no more alts for a bit

I need to get KSM

means its time to grind

this week is a good week for pushing

[stray sierra]

Im 3/8 atm for ksm on my resto. Once i get it all the non raidinf wow time is going into the brm

[chilly brook]

It's funny how adding guard back and shifting damage out ot stagger, giving them ToD back and making Angry Dave baseline can make such a big difference

[proud frigate]

Hey, looking for some trinket help.
220 stone legion vs 226 viscera of coalesced hatred w/ leech. Thanks

[chilly brook]

Stone legion

[chilly brook]

If tanks actually make a rebound in 9.1 I might just go play BrM tbh

I do kinda miss it

[uneven mason]

always shield

[undone jacinth]

anyone know what the odds are on getting an upgrade from vault

if I have like 5 options and need 3 slots

[chilly brook]

I came back in WoD

And I mained monk through Legion

[sweet summit]

50/50, you either do, or you dont

[chilly brook]

Its engrained in me

[undone jacinth]

tru

[chilly brook]

You have like 4% chance to get what you want

Iirc

Someone did the math

[undone jacinth]

what does get what you want mean

[chilly brook]

Like the exact piece

Not just a slot

[undone jacinth]

i've got 3 slots where anything would be an upgrade

and I've got 5 options

not sure where to start with the math

[chilly brook]

Idk