i mean your discounting the amount of rage ravager gives u
#protection
crisp dragon
@sweet surge Just play BfA Classic when that comes out in 2030, that sounds about what you're asking for
sweet surge
cant wait
gaunt crane
you guys use bounding stride?
crisp dragon
It's probably more like 2040, hope that doesn't suck too much for oyu
crisp dragon
you guys use bounding stride?
On some mythic bosses like Artificer amongst others
ionic fern
you guys use bounding stride?
SOme do, some don't.
sweet surge
thats okay, I'm a patient guy
ionic fern
In raid you should definitely play it.
gaunt crane
maybe I should use it for this weeks affixes
strong forum
I prefer bounding
ionic fern
I prefer Double Time.
strong forum
I'm used to having the movementspeed after heroic leap since cata
ionic fern
strong forum
Playing without it makes me hurt my back and legs
sweet surge
or, OR, and hear me out here, go for this:
strong forum
♿
sweet surge
idk dude its right there
crisp dragon
Nomeratur has no balls
strong forum
🎊
crisp dragon
There they go, they went pop
strong forum
But they also make people happy
crisp dragon
A dead scrotum is a happy one
Now we went off topic
Can we talk about how big of a joke Mythic Articifer is for a tank?
jagged pier
so boring 😴
crisp dragon
You're a funny man
Ive killed 19 Mythic bosses now
I've gotten 1 drop
And I traded it
crisp dragon
Not when some of your dps are apes, but they're friends with the guildmaster so they take the item you desperately need to push 2100 rating in pvp for 226 items, just for them to get an instant 7 ilvl upgrade on offhand
Sorry, did that situation seem too generalized?
sweet summit
Dps>tank for loot
mossy night
Nope that's never happened to me. Not once never
sweet summit
I see nothing wrong with that
sweet surge
What item would one desperately need to be able to push 2100 rating in PvP?
strong forum
Weapon I guess
mossy night
Rootkits to all other players in pvp
amber herald
you guys seen the dungeon nerfs?
sweet surge
210 ilvl wep is plenty fine for 2.1k
amber herald
pretty much every hard hitting mob has received the hammer
visual drift
is there any chest with haste ver?
crisp dragon
Yeah, I needed HC Sire weapon, I needed like 40 rating, my GM was like "just get it for conquest" - LITERALLY ALL THE PVP I DO IS FOR YOU, YOU UNGRATEFUL FOOL
jagged pier
is there any chest with haste ver?
pvp chest
sweet surge
I mean that sucks for you, but it's really not going to change much in PvP unless you're upgrading from, like, 184ilvl or something
jagged pier
i still have a 203 wep for pvp
crisp dragon
I got 200 ilvl with wrong stats, I should probably just get 197 with vers, but man I was looking forward to getting that weapon, he's our worst dps and all
weapon dps is just a huge
amber herald
jagged pier
the changes hardly fix that they need to fix the issues with the tanks first
on top of that they need to make m+ more rewarding instead of easier to get ppl to run them
crisp dragon
I mean, I dunno about you @jagged pier but the most effective way to get 1k anima is running 30+ m15s
undone jacinth
you’re arguing you should take an item for pvp rating over someone else who needs it?
orchid frigate
hahaha
crisp dragon
Im planning on getting the last 300 anima tonight!
undone jacinth
wut
crisp dragon
wut
Ive noticed you like striking up a lot of arguments, Im simply going to block you before you try to instigate anything 🙂
visual drift
only the pvp chest. damn 207 is so low. But thank you Jakey
undone jacinth
sounds like somebody knows they are a problem lmao
sweet summit
sweet surge
@jagged pier good thing is we benefit so muich from these exact mobs being scaled down, i'd argue more than some other tanks like VDH
crisp dragon
Im really happy about the nerfs to the Mechagon mobs, you might be able to double pull those Clients
A big shockwave -> spellreflect = 150k dmg right there
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> good thing is we benefit so muich from these exact mobs b...
how do u get that? we are the highest physical mitigation tank in the game if anything this helps other tanks out more like DHs and Paladins as they can sit in longer now to do damage
undone jacinth
yea looking forward to the changes a lot on my pala
sweet surge
look at the abilities they're nerfing. ALmost exclusively magic/bleeds
jagged pier
also helps all the other tanks as we are all week to thos
plus we have like the second strongest magic mitigation in the game
sweet surge
I mean, a VDH has a passive -15% dmg taken
crisp dragon
I agree, the bleeds will be nice, but it's mostly just bleed staggering, so they dont cast it as often
sweet surge
that includes Soulcrushers and the Ghouls etc, incl. bleeds
crisp dragon
But I do also agree with Jakey, nerfing mobs without buffing us, will just add to the strength of DH
sweet surge
Yes, once every 2-3minutes you cleanse it, okay
crisp dragon
Yeah, if you can't cleanse every other stack or so, it isn't reliable to say "I mean I just cleanse"
jagged pier
and inbetween that time i have cds and SR and externals
undone jacinth
what bleeds are killing people
jagged pier
i dunno i dont die to bleeds
undone jacinth
the things we struggle with are the same thing all tanks struggle with
sweet surge
you don't have to die for the nerfs to matter
undone jacinth
the ridiculous spells like the ghouls stuff
amber herald
the carvers in NW when the healer forgets about it as you climb over the thing
every time
crisp dragon
Well they only bleed that is really scary is probably gargons, and they're easy to kite as long they're stunned
sweet surge
For example, in SD, after the miniboss after 1st boss, if you chain it into the trio withthe Opressor, its nasty AF
and you're forced to CD
undone jacinth
no tank is tanking gargons though
amber herald
less casts on the ghouls in SD might be good depending on how slow it now is, might be able to spell reflect every one?
crisp dragon
Oh right, I never do SD, those ghouls by 2nd boss, they fucking sting
sweet surge
Another example is Fortified Kaal in the gauntlet
with the bleed
only way you mitigate that is IP. a VDH has -15% on it baseline
jagged pier
i mean SR
20% DR on a low cd
healer externals
our own CDS
so IP is not the only way
sweet surge
I mean of course you can pop CDs
jagged pier
thats how prot warriors work
you use your cds to mitigate the damage
you dont save them
sweet surge
Okay, you use them. Next pack you need them again, but you don't have them. What now?
jagged pier
well SR will be back up
and again externals
u dont stack them all at the same time
like the issues your bringing up arent issues
ionic fern
Not sure what the argument here is.
Most tanks need to rotate their CD's in order to deal with constant bleeds/Magic etc damage.
sweet surge
No, the argument is that the nerfs are to specifically terrifying mobs for prot
and I mean at higher keys, not +10 of course
jagged pier
they are the terrifying mobs for all tanks tho
ionic fern
These are just the "tank-busters".
jagged pier
and making them weaker just makes the high dps tanks better
as they can stay in longer
as i said they need to change the issues with the tanks not the mobs
sweet surge
less terrifying for VDH for sure
since he baseline ignores 15% of that damgur
was my point 🙂
crisp dragon
Imagine playing the tank doing the least damage and having to run the most, pathetic
sweet surge
IDK, I think our overall isn't bad at all
amber herald
warr has to run the most?
sweet surge
My biggest issue is burst
ionic fern
since he baseline ignores 15% of that damgur
What? I'm not a VDH main but how do they baseline ignroe 15% of that?
sweet surge
I did 4.4K overall in a 19 mists
undone jacinth
they get dr from their passive
sweet surge
Thick Skin or something
undone jacinth
demonic wards
sweet surge
its -15% damage taken
amber herald
hipster tattoos
undone jacinth
except it’s not yeah
ionic fern
Ok, and?
amber herald
I thought DH were actually squishier than us?
ionic fern
Each tank has their strengths and weaknesses. 👀
undone jacinth
vs melees they are
sweet surge
And so, VDH already had a pretty decent buffer, passively, without CDs, against M dmg and bleeds
sweet surge
Yes. And physical damage is largely remaining the same from the latest pass of nerfs
Bleeds and Magical shit is what's getting hammered
ionic fern
Yes..cause it's what most tanks struggle with.
VDH is going to remain the meta because it deals a stupid amount of damage while remaining relatively sturdy/easy to kite with.
undone jacinth
& Utility
sweet surge
Yes, but the point is, VDH struggles less with that. We struggle more. So we're eking out more out of the nerfs. That was my original point anyway 🙂
light in the tunnel type thing, you know?
hope dies last?
ionic fern
Hope never dies.
undone jacinth
it makes sense, it just sounds extremely rose tinted
ionic fern
#BuffWarrDmg.
sweet surge
I mean, it's not going to change the meta or anything, I'm just saying that these are the exact mobs I personally struggle with the most
strong forum
I don't like the "but warri needs to use CDs for that" that's literally the point of having CDs for stuff
sweet surge
That's a meme. Of course you use your CDs.
jagged pier
but you can literally say the same for every tank yes DHs have 'more' magic mitiagation but the change is the same for them they will still mitigate more, the change isnt gunna make us better
strong forum
Yes but it gets brought up alot when people talk about comparisons
Which is just a weird point
undone jacinth
if vdhs are picking mobs to nerf it’s all the same mobs
sweet surge
All tanks benefit from the changes. I'm just saying that we benefit more than some.
crisp dragon
Last thing Ill say here before things get too heated
I understand what @sweet surge is saying, the effective tanking time of Warriors are lower tahn the effective tanking time of DH
sweet surge
I don't think it'sgetting heated, I am not at least. Just discussing with you guys 🙂
It's my opinion is all
undone jacinth
the guy seems to be very scared of debating stuff lol
jagged pier
Last thing Ill say here before things get too heated
I understand what <@!51849...
i understand as well but if our effective tanking time goes up so does VDHs, so the change is the same for both
hazy fern
Is there any changes today that will benefit tanks?
jagged pier
the VDH doesnt sudden get less or stay the same
sweet surge
But the thing is @jagged pier you're operating udner the assumption that you always have CDs and extenrals and you're never in danger of dying
ionic fern
Is there any changes today that will benefit tanks?
A bunch of damage nerfs forthe more relevant enemies in the dungeons.
undone jacinth
I think saying that it helps warr more is a fine argument, it’s just inconsequential when the disparity in spec is as high as it is
sweet surge
The fact is, you can easily die there. More easily than a VDH.
hazy fern
Oh can I get the link?
ionic fern
Scroll up a bit - it was linked here before.
sweet surge
@undone jacinth for sure
hazy fern
Ok ty
jagged pier
But the thing is <@!179993058186625025> you're operating udner the assumption th...
but if your not planning around that stuff as a prot warrior. I'm sorry but your playing the class wrong theres a reason its not a mongo tank like a DH
sweet surge
You can plan and plan and plan. Stuff changes during a run. STuff goes wrong
undone jacinth
the cd argument isn’t a good one
jolly thistle
The fact is, you can easily die there. More easily than a VDH.
VDH don’t die, they proc Meta
sweet surge
You mess up here and there. At least I do
crisp dragon
Yeah, I think using CDs is more naturally for Warriors than it is for DHs and others, it just has to be in our rotation, it's all about preemptive tanking
But maybe instead of the 10% shield wall damage reduction it should have been like +4 seconds of shield wall
jolly thistle
The nerfs are good, but they’ll change nothing without a dmg buff for protw, dk etc
sweet surge
I finished a 19 Mists last week with 4.4K. Are VDHs doing 5k there or something?
hazy fern
These changes don’t change much IMO
sweet surge
I mostly see 3.5k-3.8K on Twitch from VDHs, though they're mostly higher keys too so mb they facetank less
undone jacinth
VDH do a lot more damage than warrs on average yeah
hazy fern
They nerfed minor mobs that I didn’t seem to have a problem with
sweet surge
These are among the scariest mobs in dungeons tho, wdym
amber herald
it's also how they do damage it's all pretty much instant which creates huge threat so dps can go ham quicker
hazy fern
On the other side they nerfed headless client and the r4 robot like what!?
crisp dragon
Ey man, anything on a 10 is easy
hazy fern
That’s not even a nerf
amber herald
even if they buffed our damage we aren't getting close to DH's snap threat
sweet surge
Those mobs scale crazy
crisp dragon
Ye, those nerfs are really welcome
sweet surge
the headless clients are nuts
amber herald
more dmg is always nice though
crisp dragon
Every time they spin they get damage
sweet surge
the Deathwalker in Hakkar are also insane
crisp dragon
Crazy bleed
hazy fern
In my runs hakar is dead before even two waves of those come out
crisp dragon
again, anything on +10 is izi
sweet surge
its trash before hakkar
undone jacinth
I finished a 19 Mists last week with 4.4K. Are VDHs doing 5k there or something?
Dungeon logs are a bit of a meme as you can see but top VDH is 1.2k log dps higher... like 30% more overall damage
data is hard to come by but if you play both of them it’s pretty glaring
the mists argument is also not a good one
every time anyone says how they think the dps is ok they always quote their mists overall lol
sweet surge
I mean, that's just what I remember, but I'm usually averaging 3.5k or so
undone jacinth
yeah people tend to remember it because it’s the dungeon where they can actually get good output
sweet surge
could be
undone jacinth
any data you look at will show you the gap but like I said you can just play them and see
sweet summit
Anime
strong forum
Maybe sitting in melee :cringe:
strong forum
Ohno
jolly thistle
Decent sized packs. Not much casters... mists is the new FH
strong forum
Hoa is more like the new FH in terms of trash
orchid frigate
mhm
strong forum
Mists is very fun though
undone jacinth
it’s actually limited size packs but that is a good thing for most classes target cap
orchid frigate
mhm
sweet summit
Motherlode
strong forum
Yeah lemme pull 20 mobs onto bosses
jolly thistle
I never get hoa keys
undone jacinth
mists got good vibes
strong forum
orchid frigate
i actually got an HoA key this week and wanted to do it as weekly but in comes a boomie that runs away like a headless chicken on 2nd boss
deft vessel
can someone explain to me why so many people pull the right side pack in mists even if the path doesn't go that way?
especially if they pull it 60% into the first pull
so they just get bolstered
and take for fucking ever
undone jacinth
for count
deft vessel
and save us no fucking time
sweet summit
Free %
deft vessel
you have super easy count at the end
sweet summit
It saves time if your dps are not apes
undone jacinth
it’s easy count there
they have the same hp as the others
shouldn’t be bolstering
sweet surge
You have easy count at the end, yes, but otherwise you're fighting 2 mobs only
Never be fighting just 2 mobs in M+
hazy fern
Easy packs on first pull
orchid frigate
i like how dps cant kill things evenly and then goes to blame the tank for pulling bad
sweet surge
unless they're like, Ragers in DoS or the Trashers in Mists etc
deft vessel
well, again, my only experience from this week is people pulling them mega late and them bolstering early into hitting them or as they're still running
sweet surge
well thats dumb
deft vessel
it's like
sweet surge
I pull them before I pull the 2
undone jacinth
u pull them first
u grab them then run in to the 2 then defensive as they come through the door
sweet surge
thats bad for your DPS too
deft vessel
yeah, the druid just sat there fiddling around jumping at the wall for like 30 seconds
I don't know if I can pull them
undone jacinth
he’s probably learning how to do it after seeing it in a video
deft vessel
have never been able to
sweet summit
You can
sweet summit
Any ranged attack can
undone jacinth
it’s really easy just look through the window
deft vessel
it told me out of sight
sweet surge
goes right through the 'window'
sweet summit
Just look through the opening
deft vessel
😦
sweet summit
And pow
deft vessel
okay I'll just take note for next time then and pull it myself
undone jacinth
if you move your camera you can more clearly see the gap you’re aiming for
deft vessel
I mean, don't get me wrong, the run was easily timed still but yeah
sweet surge
its not just the count really
its also the fact that otherwise you're fighting 2 pansy mobs
its time savings
deft vessel
it just strikes me as unnecessary, as one of those "we saw this in a video but have no clue how to do it" approaches
undone jacinth
because of the count lol
sweet surge
nah, it makes sense
deft vessel
yeah no I get it
I just pug a lot, so my actual experience of that has been super ...just....inconsistent
hazy fern
It’s not a bad pull however.. the quicker you get to those seeds the better
orchid frigate
does dratnos approve?
sweet surge
its an awesome pull that will, sooner or later, be hotfixed 😦
undone jacinth
meh sometimes that stuff makes it through the whole expac
it’s not buggy, there’s a window there
deft vessel
true enough
sweet summit
Doubt theyll hotfix that
sweet surge
Hopefully not I guess
undone jacinth
the warlock portal through the wall is more buggy and that’s still alive
deft vessel
I'd rather they make the first pack more interesting and hotfix it tbh
less awkwardness, same result
but they won't do that
orchid frigate
seen some weird shit with warlock portals in necrotic wake
appearing here and there
deft vessel
such a straight forward dungeon too, I've seen so many weird approaches to it
undone jacinth
the phantom gates
orchid frigate
had a warlock portal appear up by the 3rd boss for no reason
undone jacinth
mists is just skip one pack then decide at the end if you need to pull the extra gorm pack for count
the lowest % you can get is 57 I think
and the highest is 71 or 73 I think
and depending where in the middle you are you just need 1 or 2 gorm packs
sweet surge
I'd know that if we ever got anything outside of DoS and SD
I got a HoA from this week's reset. My last run there is from 3 weeks ago
undone jacinth
haha yeah think I’ve done like 1 DoS since a month ago
I like it though, top 3 dungeon
despite a couple of horror packs
deft vessel
I really only dislike the skeletons with whatever magic damage they have on their basic attacks
I never actually like...tank them in any relevant key
I just sort of wave at them, throw some weapons on top of them and peace out
it sucks
it's lame
undone jacinth
it’s an instant cast but yeah they are the ones I’m scared of
deft vessel
besides that DOS is manageable, as long as you have sufficient DPS to handle tyrannical bosses
but then again so is SD
orchid frigate
im scared of that cast that knocks you away
deft vessel
did it on 15 this week without much trouble at ilvl 215
undone jacinth
yea I think depending on your camera position the effects on that spell are a bit weird
like it’s hard to see sometimes
SD is pretty decent after the nerfs imo
especially with the second round of nerfs this week
livid dawn
Hmm
Are there any offensive prot legendaries for M+?
Something to use in lower keys?
orchid frigate
i use signet in lower keys
jagged pier
or the revenge one
livid dawn
Recklessness tank? :O
Oh huh... Reck doesn't cause you to take bonus damage anymore
I'm behind the loop
jagged pier
i mean u get it for 3 secs it hardly matters
livid dawn
Also, my friend who is a KSM warrior tank has been telling me about how The Wall wasn't so far behind, if at all vs thunderlord in high M+ keys. The benefits of having Shield Wall up every other pull vs having demo shout up every pull
What are ya'lls opinion on this?
Really? Wowhead says it was 6 seconds. Is that not the case for prot?
jagged pier
u have demo up like twice a pull but its basically preference one choice of leggo
on is more consistant rage and more uptime of SW
the other is more rage but its front loaded and slightly more damage
both are viable and both are good its which ever you prfer
i prefer the wall so do some others, other people like Mwahi our theorycrafter prefers TLs
so pick which one u think will be the most fun
jagged pier
your leggo wont stop you getting KSM same with covenant choice
orchid frigate
hehe leaper
livid dawn
I'm already close to KSM with my shaman so I'm not quite worried about not being able to get it
I'm just very behind on Soul Ash atm because this is my alt so I wanted to get a second opinion
before pulling the trigger
(also poor)
jagged pier
plate leggos are the second cheapest in the game only more exzpensive than cloth well if you onmy server anyway
orchid frigate
wtf i thought i was poor
livid dawn
Mail leggos are no joke
orchid frigate
😦
livid dawn
vantus runes are bankrupting me
jagged pier
eh?
livid dawn
required for raid nights :/
orchid frigate
oof
livid dawn
We're progging on bosses
jagged pier
do u mean augement runes?
livid dawn
No, vantus
jagged pier
i mean just get an incriptor to make them
that what our guld does
we all put mats in get flasks feasts and runes
livid dawn
You see, that's the other problem
jagged pier
they really shouldnt be bankrupting you
livid dawn
Well the real problem is that I had to buy two 90k leggos
jagged pier
but im on a very high pop realm so things tend to be cheaper
livid dawn
and on prog, we're chugging two int pots per pull :/
livid dawn
My income must be godawful then
livid dawn
I've started at 200k, went up to 300k. Then bought two leggos and I've been suffering since
orchid frigate
can i appear offline if i start wow.exe instead of going through the launcher?
jagged pier
you can just appear offline on the launcher
orchid frigate
thought so
limpid tide
Every one in guild friends list will know you on
orchid frigate
mhm
turbid lantern
if there is anyone from vol'jin or chantéternel, i can make leg craft for you for free ^^ (with compo :p)
orchid frigate
its more if i log on my wifes account and help her a bit i dont want ppl wonder 🙂
turbid lantern
i am blacksmith with all R4 🙂
orchid frigate
also annoying to explain to all guys whispering that its me not her that is playing
hmm my hpala friend somehow think his class is sub par for keys
livid dawn
reported for account sharing
jagged pier
its friendlist in game that will see not bnet if that makes a difference
orchid frigate
its ok if its family members 🙂
jagged pier
^^ also this
livid dawn
Try explaining that to the popo
orchid frigate
uh oh
orchid frigate
yes
jagged pier
yep
livid dawn
So the person boosting my rbg rating is my cousin right?
thorny saddle
make macro for sending weiner ascii thats on /r so its easy to explain?
orchid frigate
if youre married to your cousin, sure
orchid frigate
😄
hmm all these m+ changes, wonder if they will make guardians a bit worse pick since theyre the tanky tank?
deft vessel
I mean, all the non-DH tanks are ...fine , most are equally as unpopular, with the main outlier really being...well...us
I don't think Guardian will be any less popular
still has the druid utility, still has the necrotic-immune legendary, still has the uncapped AoE dot
and still has the innate tankyness
so yeah, the changes won't change tank preference much I Think
they'll just make some bits of dungeons less obnoxious
orchid frigate
im hoping the same
orchid frigate
🙂
uneven mason
I read the tank changes and literally went "oh so VDH can do +30s now instead of just +25s, golly Blizzard, you missed the point"
Anti kite mechanics when?
frail wyvern
My thoughts were similar...now DH can stay and do even more dps than before
uneven mason
LIke, make aggro drop above 20 yards.
better think would be to reduce VDH damage based on distance
kiting range - you do 1%
keep em as tanky as they are, but reduce their damage ffs
or make tanks aggro bonuses only work in melee (bad idea, but you get the jist) anti kite
lofty widget
blizz havent made any tank tunings yet right? so maybe theyre coming soon (tm)
frail wyvern
My money is on nothing until 9.1 for tanks, judging by their odd 3% buffs instead of fixing certain abilities for dps classes
jolly thistle
yeah probably
Some of the aura changes are completely worthless tho
HDH needs a single target buff eg
same for frost mage
uneven mason
blizz havent made any tank tunings yet right? so maybe theyre coming soon (tm)
Tank balance is fine, its the damage that needs a look at across all specs, we have some that are just flat out not able to perform to raid expectations and some that are doing double what their alternatives are capable of at 100%
they won't do any actual changes until 9.1, they've made it clear they won't shift meta in the middle of a tier
TBH since Activision just injected a whole bunch of their people into blizzard I'd expect balancing to get worse, not better.
jolly thistle
even a 20% dmg buff won’t shift meta 
uneven mason
for prot?
a 20% DMG buff to prot (like flat 20% aura increase) would probably put us capable of doing as high keys as VDH
because we can face tank MUCH longer than them.
a 20% buff to HDH would shift the meta
since you'd see BrM/Pal become the better tank
since HDH would provide the 5% spelldmg
orchid frigate
am i an cheap skate if i get the intellect dmf trinket on my fresh 60 dudu?
neat dirge
undone jacinth
LIke, make aggro drop above 20 yards.
It already does
bitter crest
https://clips.twitch.tv/SuaveTsundereOxOneHand
Why is this in the protection-warrior-channel?
neat dirge
why not
sweet summit
neat dirge
You mean except vdh, fuck those
@strong forum thoughts on the M+ changes?
Give me the insight
strong forum
Good start, but need more
They're mostly mechanics you already avoid pretty aggressively, but won't get punished as much if you can't
solemn magnet
Not enough DoS changes
neat dirge
Yeah like soul cleaver
strong forum
Mainly thinking the severing smash or w/e from the sentinels in SD
Vdh can dodge every single one
neat dirge
Oof
strong forum
We need intervene and heroic leap to be ready to run out
strong forum
Ye
neat dirge
We can dodge those?
strong forum
Yes outranging with movement abilities works
strong forum
Theyre good changes, but obv not even remotely enough
Need more changes especially DoS mobs
neat dirge
Those first packs in DoS
strong forum
Gargons, and gauntlet
neat dirge
Are fucking hard
strong forum
Those 3 need to be properly looked at
neat dirge
The gauntlet with necrotic
Is a nightmare
My group did +15 on every dungeon this week
NW was pain
This week was pain
strong forum
Last week I think I did triple pull and double pull in NW
That was fun
In the necropolis
neat dirge
Yah that's the good shit
They capped it now doe
pepehands
But I guess capping it was a healthy change tbh
I dreamed about orange juice
neat dirge
And woke up, had no orange juice went back to sleep and dreamed ablut it more
strong forum
It's dogshit
undone jacinth
the way they capped the orb is how they should have done all target caps
neat dirge
(I'm omw to buy more orange juice)
undone jacinth
after you reach target cap your damage is evenly spread across all mobs
strong forum
Oj is 👌
neat dirge
Yeah
strong forum
Yes
neat dirge
It's really nice
strong forum
Everything should be capped the same, or nothing at all
But not this oh well I'm 5 target capped, I'm 8+ and I'm 20+
signal plover
Mfw can't tell if OJ refers to something in game or actual OJ
neat dirge
True
strong forum
Like fucking dogshit
undone jacinth
having bolstering as an affix that still exists with non spread target cap is just a gap in their brains
signal plover
nods
undone jacinth
as in pure max sugar oj or diluted?
neat dirge
I dunno
undone jacinth
one has water in
strong forum
Pure 100% natural oj mixed with water
undone jacinth
we just left Europe xd
strong forum
neat dirge
Hehe
signal plover
The variance in OJ is insane
neat dirge
Yas
undone jacinth
one is like the one you have a small glass of at breakfast
and the other is like more see through
neat dirge
Bro I chug OJ
undone jacinth
yeah I’m tryna figure out what you mean bro
neat dirge
Everyone be popping sodas at raid
strong forum
Bro breakfast OJ is goat.
neat dirge
I be chugging OJ
strong forum
Back when I worked with hotels
neat dirge
Breakfast OJ is op
neat dirge
Poggers
neat dirge
Oof
strong forum
Sometimes I miss it, but I was never at home
undone jacinth
all I’m thinking is honeycomb ice cream
strong forum
I was only home on weekends
undone jacinth
now you get to be home all the time xd
strong forum
Na
undone jacinth
can’t leave
strong forum
I'm at work rn wdym
undone jacinth
you’re allowed out of your homes?
strong forum
Yes
undone jacinth
must be nice
neat dirge
Did you facetank in bfa?
strong forum
Yes
neat dirge
Nice
strong forum
Never had to move away
undone jacinth
I’ll get fined if I travel 5miles xd
neat dirge
Niiice
sweet summit
Only if they catch you 👀
undone jacinth
some tanks kited in BFA but it was more of a play style and less of a requirement
neat dirge
My fighting game locals closed down untill corvid is over
undone jacinth
pretty much everything has closed down for a while
haven’t had a hair cut since I can remember
undone jacinth
ya my sister works in transport and it’s crazy for her
especially with Brexit fucking her
wild hemlock
NA is just yeeting shit with covid
silver trout
it's fuckin stupid. California is in a bad spot right now
signal plover
So prot warrs right
undone jacinth
I guess getting vaccines etc is probably harder with all your health care stuff
signal plover
Not even, just shitloads of ppl
silver trout
I depends on how much money you have 🤣
but yeah. prot warriors.
wtb damage buff. or uncap aoe
undone jacinth
thunderclap + 100% damage
silver trout
I mostly do m+ but I can see the need there
undone jacinth
shield slam + 50%
signal plover
I'd love for em to buff our dmg without making UF meta again
silver trout
revenge buff and SS dmg buff, TC aoe cap removal and higher threat% would be nice
signal plover
That's probably the most conservative set of dials to turn up yeah
Plus fury execute kek
undone jacinth
imo would feel weird to have revenge do even more and TC still be complete poop
jolly thistle
also you can’t revenge spam unless it’s trivial content
wild hemlock
i have a 180 pally that ive always mained (not this expansion) thinking im going to dive into warriror. never played one but i cannnnnot wait.
but reading this chat scares me lmao
signal plover
Warrior is great
We discuss ways to make us better, doesn't mean we're dogshit as some folks would say
wild hemlock
im super excited and only expect them to go up in power
jolly thistle
That means if they want to buff AoE dmg and not touch any talents, the only thing that’s left is deep wounds 
wild hemlock
i was blown away by an 1100 io warrior tank the other night when i was on my ele
it was magical
in a 14
signal plover
I guess that is one positive atm, well played prot straight up shocks ppl
jolly thistle
What is this brown class?
undone jacinth
‘Will be fun to see’ aka ‘I’m waiting for you to die repeatedly’
silver trout
lolol
ionic fern
Just flat out buff all of our abilities damage. 😒
uneven mason
all dmg not just ability damage ><
wild hemlock
i hope people think that about my elemental shaman lmao
seriously though so excited to level and gear my tank up
neat dirge
Pepehands buff warrior
jolly thistle
all dmg not just ability damage ><
Protw are now able to equip 2h+shield?
undone jacinth
2h goes on the back
and we use it to throw for heroic throw instead of a little axe
and heroic throw is unlimited targets
you’re welcome blizzard
undone jacinth
I support it
jolly thistle
I don’t want to be a ranged kiting coward
sweet summit
Im not a boomer 😡
neat dirge
Coomer?
undone sun
doomer
signal plover
You and Nom can glyph it to Zoomerang*
silver trout
^
undone jacinth
Perfect
signal plover
Well executed
undone jacinth
heihachi will not be pleased
undone jacinth
I play sudowoodu and yoshimitsu
signal plover
weeb radar ping noises
signal plover
Idk I'm just throwing feelers
undone jacinth
tekken is new weeb
uneven mason
Boomer is what you call someone when you feel their ideals are outdated
undone jacinth
weeb-wave
neat dirge
@inland silo waited 4 seasons for her to be reAdded
uneven mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
inland silo
i waited 4 seasons to play her for 2 days and stop playing again
neat dirge
With my 4th sub bryan
She's really good in this game
I played for like 5 days and got Tekken god
With her lol
inland silo
Im a guilty gear player.
Ive tried a bunch to get into tekken but i just cant
neat dirge
I play GG too
I play all fg doe
Johnny player since zato got fucked
Omw to my friend to play some offline Samsho 7 rn doe
Maybe some kof13 and usf4
sweet summit
They should
undone jacinth
nobody left playing Prot? 😢
jolly thistle
Maybe all US rerolled already?
jolly thistle
meta bitches
ionic fern
I still haven't done my key.:z
undone jacinth
I wonder what the actual numbers of prots who did more than 1 key are
sweet summit
14
heavy sail
I certainly didn’t
jolly thistle
did 7 
lofty widget
im doing my weekly 10 keys as any other (in)sane person...
ionic fern
I'm just going to do 1 key as well.
undone jacinth
they nerfed tyran and changed loads of mobs
heavy sail
Easily manageable tbh
undone jacinth
and maybe cadets you could say
young oasis
Change is with weekly reset or they already did it?
sweet summit
Reset
young oasis
Kk
undone jacinth
did u get the bat signal?
midnight stone
got spammed by 3 people getting 3 226 changelings, got super excited to check my vault
uneven mason
yes chest
heavy sail
Chest is the best there by a lot
undone jacinth
chest for sure
uneven mason
a 26 ilvl increase on chest is about as good as you can get
midnight stone
Yeah, thought so too
sweet summit
Id take head if you can upgrade the chest through pvp
uneven mason
IQD is a massive trap
undone jacinth
what’s your overall ilvl?
sweet summit
I can tell
uneven mason
😄
midnight stone
215 current, I'm sure I could get 1600, 1800 would be a push
signal plover
I think NA just reset so the vault wave is coming
uneven mason
just take the chest 😛
heavy sail
1600 is pretty easy to get
crude whale
hmmm https://www.wowhead.com/item=178808/viscera-of-coalesced-hatred?bonus=6805:1472 at ilvl 226 or https://www.wowhead.com/item=180118/anima-field-emitter?bonus=6805:1472 at ilvl 220
heavy sail
1800 is even easy with RBG, so I’ve been told.
crude whale
my trinkets are both 206 atm ><
tardy parcel
anima
midnight stone
RBG is what I'd go through, I think
signal plover
Animuuuhh
crude whale
even if its a lower ilvl?
errant oriole
went from 200 to 216 gloves but lost some haste and vers 😦
undone jacinth
guy in my guild is getting like 16 rating or some shit in rbgs at like 1600
seemed mega not worth
plain garnet
id go anima unless youre having survival issues, then viscera would be fine
heavy sail
I’ve been up and down all week
sweet summit
Id argue anima is better defensively
wild hemlock
anyone see waht torghast layers are this week?
heavy sail
I’ve heard a lot of people say RBGs are the shit
But it’s hard to get a competent group together so I haven’t bothered
Been doing 2s and 3s with friends instead
sick sentinel
undone jacinth
3v3s seem like the quickest if you are good
sick sentinel
easiest box choice ever
heavy sail
2’s are good also, it’s just highly dependent on comp
errant oriole
hey guys im only 201 ilvl so far do yall think 15% haste is too low outside of into the fray?
heavy sail
Obviously all of arena is
heavy sail
But 2s is practically like, predetermined
undone jacinth
hey guys im only 201 ilvl so far do yall think 15% haste is too low outside of i...
No stats don’t matter
just get your ilvl up
heavy sail
2s are definitely weird right now
plain garnet
the more haste the better, but our stats are pretty close in weight, so the more stats you have the better, even if its not haste
heavy sail
That’s wild
astral crystal
how do i set elvui to show hp with decimals rather than the full number?
heavy sail
I’m almost 2100 in 2s
errant oriole
ok thanks guys 😄
astral crystal
elvui reset that setting for some reason after i updated it
heavy sail
1800 in 3s
heavy sail
Could have something to do with holy paladin just being strong right now also
undone jacinth
pala is a complete joke
every spec
It’s the sole reason I’m not bothering with arena
make them do 0 dmg in bubble
simplez
undone jacinth
just kite xd
undone jacinth
it’s not the biggest issue it’s just one ultra dumb mechanic
an immune guy killing you
mage isn’t blasting u in ice block, Hunter isn’t blasting you in turtle
heavy sail
Hey “just kite” is valid, paladins have absolutely abysmal movement.
undone jacinth
don’t they have undispellable freedom
chilly brook
I mean the real issue with holy paladins is that they just have an answer to basically everything
undone jacinth
yeah exactly
heavy sail
Most classes can just run away and use their personal mobility and they have no chance of catching up
Freedom wouldn’t make a difference
Yeah HPally is broken I admit it
Not having to actually cast anything is insane
undone jacinth
then you try to kill them and they their million defensives
then you also have nothing
and they’re still judgmenting you for 30k while healing full with every wog
heavy sail
Like if you’re playing arms and have leap and intervene up
How is a paladin catching you ever
undone jacinth
tbh isn’t like warriors need a buff in pvp anyway
undone jacinth
why does it matter if you can’t be caught by them, you still can’t kill them lol
heavy sail
The only way they use wings in that scenario and kill you is with heavy setup
You can kill them fairly easily when they aren’t absolute winged up chads.
undone jacinth
cmon dude
undone jacinth
yeah it’s possible for them to die
not exactly the balance I’m looking for personally
heavy sail
The thing is though, if you take away paladins damage they become dogshit literally overnight
If you even tweak their self heals way way down they’re considerably worse
undone jacinth
I don’t mind what they take away
just make it something
killing you while fully immune just shouldn’t be a game mechanic in my opinion
heavy sail
I agree they’re too strong rn but they are in a super delicate balance lol
undone jacinth
it doesn’t make any sense
heavy sail
Any minor change could be complete irrelevance
At least Ret specifically
Holy paladin will always be meta
undone jacinth
seems like pvp hasn’t really been changed anywhere near as much as m+ or raid
guess people must be liking it
grand drum
undone jacinth
personally I would go neck because I would never replace that neck ever
you’re done
but the weapon you will want a 226
dawn imp
what do you guys think, ring, boots or gauntlets
undone jacinth
tough one
dawn imp
yea ;/
uneven mason
seems like pvp hasn’t really been changed anywhere near as much as m+ or raid
PVP has seen a solid improvement this Xpac, there is an actual reward system
undone jacinth
tru
strong forum
Defo not ring roein
solemn magnet
Prolly boots
sweet summit
is that epic
solemn magnet
Speaking of hymnals, if you're caught up on renown today WQ reward ilvl increases. I wonder what that puts the max ilvl hymnal at.
livid dawn
It's like the bis trinket
solemn magnet
Does the emissary ilvl not scale?
undone jacinth
not sure
livid dawn
hymnal is a sire trink
undone jacinth
there’s two hymnals
solemn magnet
We talking bout a different hymnal
livid dawn
There's another one? O_o
undone jacinth
hymnal of the path
sweet summit
this one
livid dawn
oo
undone jacinth
Might be interesting if you could get it to like 210 maybe
sweet summit
can get it 197 rn
undone jacinth
yup
sweet summit
should be higher with renown 30 i think?
undone jacinth
will have to wait for a lucky person to find out
blissful pebble
How strong is it?
frail wyvern
Stronk
undone jacinth
gets beaten out by high ilvl trinkets
but if it could be a liiiiittle bit higher maybe
blissful pebble
How big a sacrifice on item level vs the known good trinkets do we think is worthwhile?
sick sentinel
i don't even know what my other choices was but a 216 versa haste helm is pretty sick
frail wyvern
Totally depends what you have available to use tbh
undone jacinth
if you’re talking about a scale then no sacrifice, if it’s a decanter or something then maybe like 15-20
blissful pebble
Lets say Anima Field Emitter
undone jacinth
oh boy
really hard to calculate
personally I wouldn’t really go above 10 or something
maybe not at all
blissful pebble
Probably not likely to displace anything I have even with i level increase then
undone jacinth
well dunno what you have but yeah if you have the best trinkets then I’m not sure I’d be swapping anything out
it’s mostly just a damage meme for having fun
uneven mason
Might be interesting if you could get it to like 210 maybe
They've made it very plain that they don't want raid ilvl gear to be easily available outside of raids or high end PVP
I kind've agree, even +15s will tend to be easier than doing heroic this tier
ymmv
undone jacinth
is that raid ilvl
undone jacinth
oki well you’re likely gonna be able to get a 200 one now so
uneven mason
right, but we're also what like 9 weeks in?
so it makes sense, a slow catch up mechanic
over piling on loot early on, the only thing I Hugely don't agree with this Xpac thus far is the reduciton of available loot in raiding and m+
undone jacinth
🤦🏼♂️
lilac sleet
This ends up being about 5-6% of my damage in M+
It was 7.5% on my last +12 mists run
uneven mason
it doesn't look like pvp rewards get further upgrades until next season
blissful pebble
I like loot scarcity if they sort the imbalance between PvE and PvP by adding an upgrade currency I will be happy.
blissful pebble
Meanwhile some things I would like to see on Warrior:
A Defensive Component to Avatar - Could make it deliver its damage increase through Versa, Mastery or Critical or some mix so there is also some def gain.
Anger Management baseline.
Interesting new tier 50 Defensive Talent.
Booming Voice Utility incorporated into Demo Shout Baseline.
Shattering Throw cast time reduced to 0.5s Damage vs Absorb shields increased massively - When I use my niche 3 min cooldown on 1 shield in M+ I want a wow effect not something barely notable.
Two charges of Charge baseline again or Storm Bolt baseline warriors in general need some more baseline utility.
Shockwave returned to a 3s stun.
Dragon charge speed and distance covered maintained when carrying flags in PvP.
Less squishy in PvP so I can actually do some RBGs as Prot Warr.
undone jacinth
a lot of classes got their impactful Azerite traits baked in
would make sense to add in the mastery bonus to avatar
would be a really nice change actually
uneven mason
Meanwhile some things I would like to see on Warrior:
A Defensive Component to A...
hey now, we don't wanna be noticeably OP
sleeper OP is fine.
waxen cradle
Hey guys sockets even if on a small 7 item level upgrade always over take everything else due to the overall value of a socket yeah ?
uneven mason
noticeably OP gets you thundercrap nerfs
hazy fern
I’m patiently waiting for this warrior buff
waxen cradle
meaning going from a 213 to a 220 is what I mean by a small 7 item level upgrade
uneven mason
what slot
waxen cradle
bracers
waxen cradle
yeah is why I said seems like overall best
blissful pebble
In BFA we had the baseline avatar then a ton of mastery on top which was Op I would be happy with it just getting some more innate def from the damage increase.
uneven mason
ok whats it up against
I can say yes 7ilvls and a socket is a good upgrade, whats the other options that it would be negating?
#context
waxen cradle
one sec will link