if ur going for numbers then ur going to be padding
#protection
undone jacinth
or else u wont be getting them
but it doesnt matter
gotta have something to do on farm
heavy sail
I think it’s fine to play for numbers during farm, I just think that’s what padding is.
Like definitionally
You have to pad your stats to be the top parse
sick sentinel
if the tank doing more damage and being more beneficial for the raid team how is that padding though
undone jacinth
definitionally 😂
soft matrix
Sorry for noob question that is generic to tanking. What is the best way to track if a mob is attacking someone else?
sick sentinel
padding is when what ever you are doing doesn't benefit the raid team
undone jacinth
that's the same argument that every padder uses
if you want logs your numbers are going to be inflated by maximising your damage on pointless stuff like adds that somebody else was going to kill anyway
I doubt you're going for boss damage logs
sick sentinel
that is be definition what it means though. its a sports term so i think you are a bit confused
undone jacinth
what
heavy sail
The “sports term” just means stats that don’t contribute to winning
And yes you using signet absolutely does not contribute anything
Other than you improving from 98 to 99 or w/e
So I think it’s actually very apt
sick sentinel
that's the same argument that every padder uses
you are choosing a really weird hill to die on
heavy sail
Yeah this is dumb semantics
heavy sail
But anyway, that’s the gist.
sick sentinel
rank 4 shoulders 25k
undone jacinth
I'm sure your contributions are very valued
sick sentinel
expensive
rough needle
tanks job is to do dmg and not die
sick sentinel
apparently we cant optimise damage without 'padding'
what a weird raid team u must be on
rough needle
tbh most content outside of prob right around m sludge progress or high keys
you don't need any defense
undone jacinth
it has nothing to do with needing defense
your increase in numbers does nothing for ur chances of a kill
the entire place is on farm
rough needle
well if youre mythic progging on first half of nathria right now
very unlikely you are limited by tank survivability
so you should optimize for dmg
undone jacinth
hes not
onyx abyss
Feels like he already knew the answer to his own question but just wants to flex
onyx abyss
Se la vie
sick sentinel
all i was asking for was a good legendary to deal more dmg and not flex
nothing about raiding came into question
but nice try
undone jacinth
hi guys I'm only rank 2 on my parses
any recommendations on how I can get 1
it's really consequential to our teams reclears
please help
onyx abyss
Go chase ur 100s peace
rough needle
just thinking out loud i wonder if venthyr is legit better than kyrian for first half of nathria
heady plaza
i put my logs for a hoa 15 just now in log review. ive brought it up before, but if anyone can check it out and see the problems on why my dps is so low, that'd be amazing
rough needle
bc of single target dps, i also wonder if signet or another dps lego would be better than wall if you have the soul ash to spare
obv you want wall for later bosses
undone jacinth
think the point is it doesn't matter
if you're progging in lesser prog gear then just play it safe unless your guild is missing damage for the kill/shield/add etc
if you're overgearing, on farm etc, do what you like, smash logs, kill fast such wow very nice
venthyrs definitely decent overall in raid though
heavy sail
It’s not possible to be a 98/99 parse tank with CN on farm and not know what the other tanks at the top are doing to maximize DPS
100% just came in here for the weird flex
Venthyr is great in raid, but condemn is still an uncomfortable press if you’re rage starved
But the damage potential is huge
undone jacinth
it's actually not a bad button if you are actively tanking
the absorb is like 3/5 an IP or something
my issue with it was that it doesn't really do much more than execute
if it did a lot more damage I think it'd be really good
heavy sail
Yeah I agree
Either an improvement on the damage front or the rage economy front
It’s not bad though, covenants matter a lot less than a lot of folks anticipated
vestal moat
Does Pelagos' Let Go of the Past require any skill to manage whatsoever or can we imagine it will be 3% with 100% uptime on long fights.
opal fox
undone jacinth
its always good to do it if you have time
especially if you have the thing that gives bonuses
just realised hymnal of the path does holy damage
prot pala 😳
deft bridge
it's a single target spell right?
undone jacinth
think they fixed that twinblade
pallid frost
hey new to the discord cause there was nothing online for my question
any1 know if there is a haste soft cap for prot warriors
honest echo
I’ve been told by elitists 15%
pallid frost
dope ty
sick sentinel
do a +7 mists, do it near perfect and +2 it, do a 8 mists, screw up everything and go over 3 minutes
undone sun
I’ve been told by elitists 15%
Wrong, don't do that
undone sun
any1 know if there is a haste soft cap for prot warriors
There's no secondary caps or breakpoints
pallid frost
so just run up haste as much as possible?
sick sentinel
pretty sure nomer said something about 40%
undone jacinth
you get 10% dr at 30% and 20% dr at 40% from gear
personally I don’t go in to DR at all but some people are comfortable with 10%
you’re not breaking your character either way and I’m not sure where the 15% thing comes from
sick sentinel
yeah, so i'll stop at 30%
undone jacinth
it’s also 30% from gear not just on character sheet
sick sentinel
yeah, when i say haste, i mean, buffed only with standard buffs no lust
haste food is fine
undone jacinth
so it’s just haste from gear
no buffs
any buffs, trinkets, procs, base % increase, talents etc won’t contribute to the DR
coarse kestrel
hey guys whatsup with dmg on heroic council feel like i cant hardly take it even phase 1
sick sentinel
i think i understand, but im at 25% haste, and i was at 26 or 28% haste last week
undone jacinth
if you hover over the % it will say the amount of haste your gear has and what % that is giving you
coarse kestrel
maybe stavros just hits way harder than i realize
undone jacinth
when you aren’t buffed
you need logs ysengrin
it’s likely you’re taking too many stacks and not blocking
coarse kestrel
hmm kk starting the log now will touch back in a bit
undone jacinth
yep that’s it
pallid frost
ty for the help guys
grand drum
patent osprey
physical
ionic pewter
maybe stavros just hits way harder than i realize
Make sure you always have SB up for lunge and swap on two stacks and it should be manageable
coarse kestrel
that's good to know, wasnt sure SB blocked evasive lunge
where do you tank them?
i'm tanking them in the center of room, rotated 90 degrees so that the dps all have lots of room for their recitals and its easy to get to the dance macabre locations
and are you supposed to take this guy out for the lunge? we just let him lunge the tanks and don't bother moving him for it since it doesn't hit dps
signal plover
It also hits dps of they're in the lunge path. Imo the best way is to side step out a bit and face away from the stack right as he lunges.
Cuz the active tank's facing effectively aims the lunge
coarse kestrel
ok, we let him just lunge through the 2 tanks and hit none of the dps. seems like some avoidable damage is happening there
ionic pewter
the tanks shouldn't be stacked. there's no point cleaving so tank them a little bit apart
signal plover
Yeah he def shouldnt be lunging through both tanks
ionic pewter
if the tanks are eating every lunge it will never fall off
signal plover
It'll fall off during the dance intermission which is why it's even remotely doable
But it's completely unnecessary
coarse kestrel
ahh i see, we kill him first so maybe that's why it hasn't seemed like a complete raid stopper
signal plover
But yeah you can keep bosses separate as well
Stop having him lunge through both tanks and your dmg taken should drop off significantly. Just swap niklaus and starvos at 2 stacks
quaint ledge
We keep both tanks close to help out with kicks, and mark both tanks so melee knows where we are standing
ionic pewter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryh866Ddk9s check out the positioning here
karmic scroll
do prot warriors have a preferred healing class?
or a healing class that prefers to heal a prot warrior
a joke of a question brought up in friend circle, wanting opinions
undone jacinth
not really, maybe resto Druid for the trickle heal and regular DR
and utility that fills warrs utility gaps
healers like sham that benefit from you being low or holy with it’s guardian spirit are kinda bad but the rest are all fine imo
and those are still fine
undone sun
personally I don’t go in to DR at all but some people are comfortable with 10%
The changes the DR makes is quite small, going past won't be noticable for quite a while. Even mentioning caps/breakpoints puts people in an unnecessary fixation
undone jacinth
the changes are exactly what they are... don’t need to describe them in vague terms, there are exact numbers
ppl have different opinions, the information is there and they can do what they want with it... people aren’t generally gonna have enough gear to where there’s even a decision to be made anyway
high folio
how does prot optimally use Condemn? I cant wrap my head around how pika is running venthyr clearing 20's
coarse kestrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryh866Ddk9s check out the positioning here
thats good advice, will watch this video
fringe marten
Because clearing 20's has nothing to do with being kyrian or venthyr or Demon hunter or whatever; it's knowing how you can make it work for your class (prot war) then playing well enough to make that happen, and that's only 20% of it..literally. The other 80%..is your team 🙂
high folio
ive always wanted to run condmen bc its fucken cool and if this dude is out here running 20's w it then ill gladly learn how to use it
fringe marten
Like... Boomkin with force of nature? DEM TREES BRUH...now a super nasty pack of fortified trash..High necro stacks with no way to self clear (no racial/phial)..and a zillion other things with M+ Just got WAY WAY easier, because 1 guy on the team took an ability to help you..and help the team out.
high folio
it was explained to me that prot just takes a massive survivability hit running it
this is facts
fringe marten
I know I'm a good prot warrior, maybe not among the top prot warriors in the world ...but I know I play the class well and properly. That being said..I've jumped into 'low' keys like 12's and stuff in pugs trying to farm a Scale from DoS or whatever...and it's pure unfettered horror. I'm dying constantly.
Or I can do a 16 fortified DoS with some buddies I know are good..and could probably go higher if we all pushed together a lot more often.
high folio
agreed, pugging keys is a mess
my highest clears are w my guild, we ran a 13 mists today while carrying someone that was 190, no conduit slots unlocked and no legendary
and timed it w ease
fringe marten
That is to say; even if you're a good tank but you're just learning and starting to dip your feet into M+...you may get a very false image of how 'good' or 'bad' a tank you are because your group/s might be horrible. Then you get discouraged and start buying into the "prot warrior is bad" garbage.
high folio
i know prot is strong, they are amazing at mitigating damage and its only gonna get better as haste values go up
i still have some work to do on when the right times to kite are and such but overall i think im a p good tank
fringe marten
Yes there's a lot of weight put on the shoulders of the tank in M+ (especially by pugs who expect you to somehow know they ran it a different way, used a different route, tanked something in a different spot..in their 'normal' group)
high folio
i always link my route
and tell my group we are running it my way, open to suggestions tho
fringe marten
Just be ready to accept a failure if it's your fault; and learn from it. If you're doing things right, have a solid route...know you can handle the content, and came prepared for it. AND THEN the group doesn't..? Nothing you can do about that but hope they learn from it.
high folio
well yeah, im p good at spotting my mistakes and learn pretty quick. i just wanted to know if you guys had tips on optimally using condemn, bc if i can make that shit work well then im 100% going to
fringe marten
I'm always ready to say I'm the dumb person in the group..please teach me things I don't know. When you're too proud to learn and think you have absolutely all the knowledge and tricks in the game... You're either really wrong, or you're one of the best players in the world and already know you are.
golden tapir
Yea I have been debating on going Venth as a prot main. But idk...
high folio
Yea I have been debating on going Venth as a prot main. But idk...
same here, it looks so fun but im just concerned ab losing the utility of AA. tons of damage, rage, and cc
golden tapir
Especially for raid bosses I see how it could be strong.
More so the cc and cleanse
fringe marten
Yeah I don't know too many who are accomplished tanks, who are venthyr. Usually venthyr is the fury warrior pick and much of the time they don't invest into tanking serious content. Plka is obviously an exception to that.
high folio
for sure, id see it as dumping rage into condemn insted of IP unless youre getting wacked
golden tapir
Yea its a dmg ignore paid. If I have it right in my head
high folio
Yeah I don't know too many who are accomplished tanks, who are venthyr. Usually...
yeah thats my thing, definetely as me wondering if the number 1 tank in the world in M+ is venth then why couldnt i at least be proficient at it
fringe marten
I'm sure venthyr is cool too, I remember leveling and had condemn..it was spicy for sure. plus door of shadows.
high folio
Yea its a dmg ignore paid. If I have it right in my head
a weaker IP, but more or less yeah
high folio
I'm sure venthyr is cool too, I remember leveling and had condemn..it was spicy ...
yeah door is hella cool, no one complains ab more mobility lmao. condemn just bops so hard too
fringe marten
The more important thing to of course realize is...Plka would be the top rated M+ prot warrior if he were kyrian too. He's there because he wants to push that hard on M+, is a very strong player, and has a base of strong players to play with.
high folio
yeah i understand that, just has me thinking. i want to push to atleast KSM and i think the flex potential of doing it venth would be fun
fringe marten
I think for a lot of other classes that's the huge allure of Night fae. Sure their covenant ability is ludicrously strong for a ton of classes...but it gave a lot of classes an AMAZING mobility ability they never had before.
high folio
soulshape is super handy for kiting, espeacially w the little heal it gives
fringe marten
Everyone I've ever spoke to who changed to night fae after it became pretty clear it was BiS for most classes...that's the FIRST thing they talk about.
Not convoke the spirits, or Wild spirits? or whatever...or Ancient aftershock..
It's the blink, they INSTA fall in love with the blink.
fringe marten
Yeah for M+ where kiting is a big thing as keys get into scary territory...the signature ability of Night fae has the edge over kyrian there. Kyrian is built to plant and tank...which is what I wanna do LOL.
high folio
i hate the kiting meta w a passion
golden tapir
I dont agree spear inter and leap
high folio
so backwards for what tanking actually is
fringe marten
Because I'm Darkiron dwarf...I would actually trade the kyrian phial for the fae blink honestly...I know I'd really miss the phial though; but I think I'd find more clutch uses for soulshape.
high folio
yeah true
fringe marten
What do you mean 'you don't agree' ? with what?
I didn't say we "can't" kite, I'm saying I don't WANT to.
fringe marten
...NOBODY rolled a protection warrior to run away from a fight bruh..
high folio
it looks like plka build is geared towards burst rage gen and having more uptime on defensives, which makes sense
golden tapir
I agree
fringe marten
Sure you give up spear, but you gain ancient aftershock (longer cd, with knockdown on mobs)
high folio
the conduit reduces the cd to be equal w spear
fringe marten
But the fae blink is still better for 'mobility' than the spear is. VERY short lived duration and doesn't work on A LOT of mobs in M+...Soulshape lets you run away from EVERYTHING.
fringe marten
I'm still not changing covenants; just saying I would be willing to trade phial for soulshape ONLY for M+. For raiding phial is of course superior.
And since my 'priority' is still being guild main tank, raid tanking has to be my #1 priority.
fringe marten
I mean..of course you could still raid tank just fine as ANY of the covenants. It's just that the phial still cures a few abilities from the raid so it's still very powerful. Plus having an additional heal on demand is potent.
and as we scale through shadow lands, there will be more raid abilities that the phial will cure.
golden tapir
Yea agreed
fringe marten
I really like doing M+, I've always honestly enjoyed small group content over big raids. (bring back 10 mans) But if I were THAT solely focused on M+ performance and not raiding at all...I'd really just roll a DH.
golden tapir
I just hate how m+ gearing vs raid loot is
fringe marten
If I'm willing to lock in my covenant because it's slightly better for M+...and not taking the covenant that covers the 'most' content. Then I may as well simply change my class to be the (currently) better tank for M+ if it mattered THAT much to me.
golden tapir
Raid should > than m+
fringe marten
It is.
What it's NOT..is better than PVP gearing.
That's the problem right now; I personally do not like pvp, I haven't done a single PVP activity in shadowlands other than level up in warmode.
I don't enjoy pvp because I only tank, and prot warrior has very very few places in PVP 😦
golden tapir
No you can get better IL gear and stats in m+ vs raiding
fringe marten
Only from the vault.
void moat
Have you tried to apply urself to pvp with friends?
golden tapir
Prot in bg is fun
fringe marten
Yeah but I'm a mythic raider so I have access to the ..very VERY rare... drops in mythic raiding =\ and also from the Vault as well @sick sentinel6.
void moat
I gotta say, as with most content, it just might be more enjoyable because you have people do it with u enjoy
I jumped into pvp woth some friends and its been loads of fun
And its like oh shit yeah GEAR
fringe marten
Aovnick the guild did a run ? last week or two weeks ago...where they all got up to 1800. I had to work, and then when I logged on I didn't want to join for the last little bit of it.
fringe marten
They would have invited me; You're missing the point bud..I don't WANT to pvp, at all..ever.
I don't subscribe to play a cooperative MMORPG...to go play a super imbalanced 'competitive' fighting mode.
golden tapir
^
void moat
Im just suggesting the content might be more tolerable that way. That is all
It was not a commentary on the state of pvp or how its gearing works
golden tapir
A big part would also be if mastery could be more beneficial than vers
fringe marten
If I wanna kill other players I want the environment to be fairly balanced..like..we all have access to the same guns/move the same speed..etc etc IE playing a shooter or something else.
void moat
Lmao you dont play BR's i take it
fringe marten
I have. As long as you survive the first few minutes and get geared up..you're going to hvae similar competitive guns to anyone else you'll fight towards the end of the map.
I played the PUBG hype a bit, and Fortnite.
void moat
Getting slapped by some dudes kraber night say otherwise lmao
fringe marten
(because a buddy played...shooters are fun for a bit, but I had my addiction to shooters back in college on Quake)
yup and apex legends we did too
void moat
Me too hahah
fringe marten
I enjoyed apex the most I think.
void moat
Well i do know a badge system is in the works so hang tight dadugan
I know they plan to bring pve content to par of spot upgrade potential of pvp
fringe marten
I know; I'm honestly not that heated about the loot system because I've been getting close or at max vault gear since it was available..so I'm fairly geared.
void moat
Which seems to be its major strength imo
fringe marten
However I do see the drought of loot in raiding. I had 2 full heroic clears..20 bosses in a raid; and didn't get an item. I don't even care if it wasn't an upgrade and I would just put it up for loot council...I just did NOT get an item from 2 full heroic clears..how the FUCK is that possible?!
fringe marten
anyway; this went way way off topic. Back to actual original point...LOL...ask Plka when he's around or whisper him if you wanna know about Venthyr M+ tanking stuff.
I have a feeling though he wanted to play dps warrior, and was planning on tanking M+ only (I know he dps's for raid) So I think his covenant pick was based on what he wanted to run for his raid dps. That's just an assumption.
So he simply had to utilize whatever Venthyr offered him for M+ tanking.
If I'm wrong he can clarify that.
void moat
Who did?
fringe marten
Plka
Again; that's just an assumption from knowing he dps's in raid and doesn't tank there.
patent osprey
/wave
mellow patio
fringe marten
No..there was someone specifically asking how he utilizes the Venthyr covenant abilities in M+..I think specifically Condemn?
I dunno..lol.
fringe marten
Right hawgz..lol I wasn't the curious one, was someone else..was just stating what he was asking about.
Side discussion; DEM Table mission unit buffs!
WOOO 181 Hymnal of the path up on a worldquest..yes pleez
sadly probably won't overtake my trinkets now.
woven trellis
so
about mythic+ chests
can u get item from dungeon u didnt do
this week
?
ive heard so many different thigns
midnight burrow
weekly vault? yes
woven trellis
ye weekly vault
is there any correlation from the keys u did
and what u get in vaul
t?
midnight burrow
not a bit
midnight burrow
do 10 mists
woven trellis
and in every of the 3 slots
midnight burrow
it doesnt matter
fringe marten
One of my guildies made a statement..and I don't know where he got the info from. He said that the choices in the vault for M+ are always from your highest runs. I don't know if that has any merit? But he wanted to test it this coming week when he gets his vault.
woven trellis
One of my guildies made a statement..and I don't know where he got the info from...
one guy told me the same
but
i have no idea what truth can be in this
fringe marten
Like, your highest run is the far left one...then of the next 3, that comprise the 4 next highest runs.. it's the high one from that.
yeah I don't either
midnight burrow
thats true for ivlvl and the key # only
the actual gear drops
irrelivent
irrelevant*
woven trellis
wdym the key #
midnight burrow
its pretty well documented at this point
woven trellis
oke
karmic scroll
there was a week i only ran HoA, the vault had nothing but ToP gear
that is fake news 4sure
woven trellis
sweet
fringe marten
NOPE holy crap
holy crap
181 hymnal of the path is ludicrously strong.
(thank you naz for the actual tested info)
Yeah, SimC doesn't sim it right, same thing with the battleflame and some other trinkets. But if you have a 181+ Hymnal of the path on your bastion WQs...get it immediately.
vestal moat
What would we use it over e xactly?
i have a 210 scale, 220 stone legion, 226 anima field emitter
so there's a lot of competition
fringe marten
Ok I have 226 shriekwing, 220 stone legion, 226 gluttonous spike, 213 macabre sheet music..etc..I have most of the trinkets you'd want to get.
the 184 bell, the 184 flame,
The shriekwing trinket is designated as a 'dps' trinket, so we auto lose 25% of the damage on the proc, but sims won't show it. they sim it at full damage..which we do not get in prot.
So imagine the mythic shriekwing trinket does the damage you 'expected' the heroic one to do.
Also have a 207 phial of putrefaction
and I"m telling you right now
it obliterates all of them
the 181 hymnal makes them all look like dookie in actual game damage.
It's not flagged as a 'dps' trinket so we get the full damage from the proc, it triggers with decent frequency
Now I'm only testing atm on light stuff, the elite bosses in the maw etc.
it's around 10% of my damage every fight.
The 184 bell sims accurately, and it's I think still the strongest damage trinket in game for us.
The 226 hungering maw trinket isn't 'great' damage, but it's VERY nice healing, plus decent damage for a trinket. Making it an excellent M+ trink.
I need to do some real raid bosses to get some 3/5 minute fights in, to see how it stacks up in long fights. In 'very' short stuff the shriekwing would still be better but it has to be quite short.
The bell is straight busted, because mastery just scales purely linearly. There's nearly no DR on it.
So ATM I'm running 226 gluttonous, and 184 bell in keys...since that mastery is so good for the opening 'burst' window for threat.
The alternative would be my 194 Blood scale, and 226 gluttonous spike.
But I may be running 226 glut, and 181 hymnal for a few keys to see how it really performs in real environment. Sims aren't seeing a lot of these trinkets right at all.
IE the sim shows the hymnal of the path being below trinkets I know for SURE It out damages. (I have a 223 decanter too)
I think I'm going to join a random oceanic heroic pug, and tank some raid bosses with the hymnal to see some real raid numbers and not short fights on easy content.
Knowing how strong the 155 hymnal was from literally the beginning of the xpac, I've been waiting to see one of these again.
and it...is as good as I thought it would be.
the only thing tough to see the real differences in, is the str vs the versa on the hymnal.
it gives a little less attack than a similar ilevel mainstat trinket. and of course solidly less than a 220+ mainstat.
So the stone legion might realistically be close. But the proc on the hymnal is SO strong it's still way outstripping the losses in str versus the Versa.
I think a realistic test would be to fight that ? Fire demon thing right outside of venari's refuge
it has right at 1m hp right?
So that's a decently long fight. Gonna' go mess with him for a bit.
So gonna' get some more realistic data on longer fights here in a min.
Did some rando rare elite in maw, minute long fight..7% of my damage.
SLG trinket may still be better. So might still be rocking Gluttonous/bell for keys or Gluttonous/SLG
And if I get a decent scale it'll be Scale/Gluttonous.
patent osprey
My eyes are bleeding from the wall of text haha
main vault
fringe marten
Sorry, just kinda' tabbing into game, testing some. typing a bit.
I've just been typing for a long time, so can type fast. So it doesn't bother me to key out stuff I'm thinking on the fly.
jagged pier
froma quick scan of what youve written and that is a quick scan you seem on the right track
vestal moat
THanks for the hard work. i cant see myself replacing scale for anything where survival is an issue in keys. but that still leaves one slot.
jagged pier
you wouldnt its probs the best trinket in the game for us
fringe marten
The reason I now use the glut spike is exclusively because I got the mythic one. Because the healing is a 300% multiplier of the damage..the healing is now substantial on it. and the damage is 'ok'
So I still think I'd rock the scale/glut or glut/bell or SLG. The bell gives ridiculous burst window for quick aggro.
At equivalent ilevels, nothing competes with the Hymnal though
a 220+ Hymnal would, for damage...erase every other trinket.
fringe marten
Right, Blizz knows you can't get a WQ trinket from the vault. or they would be forced to tone them down.
yeah I think if you got the forged up WQ hymnal, it beats every other trink for damage except maybe some specific 226 M+
or a 233 SLG.
fringe marten
yarp, 1 month of 2021 gone.
fringe marten
hm ok, it's fairly equivalent to a similar ilevel Phial of putrefaction (the hymnal is) it just has a chance to look really nice in a quick fight if you get lucky procs since it's all DD instead of DoT.
ionic fern
It's roughly 4-5% overall damage in m+ dungeons.
fringe marten
It's a bit better than equal ilevel Phial of putrefaction. But since you can obtain phial at higher ilevels, phial will outperform it.
yeah so is phial. can be a bit higher depending on it's ilevel.
fringe marten
Yup that's what I was saying.
on quick fights, with some lucky procs..it'll get stupid. But once it gets averaged out over time...it becomes equal to like a 200'ish phial, maybe bit less. But that's ONLY the raw proc, doesn't account for base stats on trink where str is better than versa per point.
..Queensguard Vigil..? whattup with that?
Why were you using that?
Or is that someone else' parse?
ionic fern
It's my early log when i had no other trinkets.
fringe marten
The beating abom core got nerfed right?
I threw on my queensguard vigil 187 and 171 abom core the other day to see how other 'healing' trinkets were stacking up against the Gluttonous spike and the abom core was still doing quite strong healing.
chilly brook
I had one on my monk
It took a 30ilvl upgrade for it to get replaced
The hymnal that is
fringe marten
Right but that's the situation we're in now
lot of us using SLG heroic trinkets, or vault trinkets.
so it can't quite get there.
Because simc isn't seeing or parsing some trinkets right I don't rely on it, and just test them myself.
on 5 and a half mins of solo fighting the dungeoneer dummy my 207 phial beat the 181 hymnal
now for shit's and gigs I'm gonna' do the mythic shriekwing
The phials damage is calculated from attack power isn't it?
I remember seeing a link to I thought it was Phial of putrefaction on? Oh yeah raidbots..showing that it's an attack power calculation.
sweet summit
Its not from AP
chilly brook
Yea there are definitely better options
sweet summit
Ilvl and vers
chilly brook
Hymnal is just nuts for what it is
fringe marten
for it's ilevel yeah. if it could reach the 220's it'd be a power house.
chilly brook
If you could get it above 184 itd likely be huge
fringe marten
ok erga..for whatever reason I thought it was ATK, because I was thinking you could possibly snapshot the damage proc buff, using the bell.
chilly brook
I wish you could tbh
fringe marten
yeah because the heal would be strong too.
chilly brook
Like some of the world quest trinkets are nice
The huge vers on use one on like a minute and a half CD for example
fringe marten
I used that one all last week.
even at 184 ilevel
it's 12% raw damage boost, 6% dr.
so every time I'm engaging a pack with avatar I'm getting 6% dr and the damage boost. It's not as much damage as the bell, but 6% less damage is not trivial.
solemn magnet
If you could get it above 184 itd likely be huge
I got a 197 hymnal today from maw calling
fringe marten
Yeah that's the max it can be right now I believe.
chilly brook
Wat
fringe marten
that's what jakey was saying
chilly brook
fringe marten
yeah you can get titanforged versions of those trinkets from either the callings, or if the WQ forges it up
jagged pier
Chree is how i know and ill say it again FUK YOU @solemn magnet
fringe marten
like my queensguard vigil is 187 from a purple calling box like 3 weeks ago.
Chree have you been using it?
if you haven't, definitely give it a shot.
chilly brook
That 197 has gotta pump
fringe marten
Do you play prot or something else?
According to the channel we're in..we're ALL supposed to be prot warriors here. ...but we know that isn't true.
solemn magnet
I play prot.
Here's a log from earlier.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7nwZyQHAhbDg3cJB#fight=41&type=damage-done&source=100
chilly brook
That's actually so good tbh
jagged pier
I know its not to do with the trinket but looks like u need to work on your SB usage
solemn magnet
If anything sticks out in that log, lemme know. Doing 13s is pushing for me and that one had a really good parse
Hah, yeah :(
What should it be so I can work on it?
jagged pier
you can get 70+ depending on dungeon
jagged pier
but above 50%
chilly brook
jagged pier
9 casts in 30 mins 
chilly brook
More last stand casts would help fix that
Btw last bosses casts can be blocked
Idk if that's relevant to your lower block %
Hard to dive deep on mobile
solemn magnet
I try to block last boss >_<
fringe marten
yeah that's 4.1% of your damage in a dungeon where you had anima exhaust/etc so that's quite strong.
solemn magnet
And SR
fringe marten
Chree we all do it~ it's ok you get more damage.
Hitting block gives your shield slams more damage for him...but yeah he's all magic, so spell reflect/IP
solemn magnet
I also have very little executes so that's also a thing.
chilly brook
Hitting block gives your shield slams more damage for him...but yeah he's all ma...
The last bosses casts are physical and can be blocked
fringe marten
Once you hit execute phase, if you aren't in serious danger...I rage dump into execute.
Oh shit really? ok.
chilly brook
Yes
fringe marten
I just figured he didn't melee so it was all spell damage.
solemn magnet
I figured last boss was mostly magical.
fringe marten
But I block anyway for the damage boost.
solemn magnet
The more you know~
fringe marten
so it works out either way.
chilly brook
The cast he does on the tank is physical
fringe marten
Anyway did another 5.5 mins on dungeoneer dummy, casting every time it came up Mythic shriekwing trinket was 5.5% of my damage...and another cast was coming up had the fight gone another 30 sec.
But yeah..207 phial of putrefaction > 226 mythic shriekwing trinket.
chilly brook
fringe marten
=\ the fact we lose 25% of that trinkets damage is super duper lame. (is it 25 or 30%?)
But simc will keep telling you that mythic shriek trinket is one if, if not your best....lies~
Lemme guess...are there burst squads..like double or triple DPS..all running shriekwing trinket in PVP...trying to global people with double or triple trinkets + rogue/whatever stun BS
pastel vector
nah usually just mage /rogue killing you in cheap shot with combust
fringe marten
Yeah I think pvp is complete garbage and a waste of developer resources because there's no possible way it can ever be balanced in a class based mmo with dozens of classes; talents/conduits/azerite powers..whatever~ That being said, watched some of those Xaryu/Pikaboo duels.. I dunno wtf those guys are doing but their APM and reactions are mad spicy..gotta' respect it.
pastel vector
thats just not true. This is the most balanced PvP has ever been. There are a small amount of outliers current and thats it
fringe marten
and I would forever love my boy Pilav...but he sold out and went horde and is dead to me.
pastel vector
Also conduits /soulbinds are more or less not-noticeable for the most part (again save for a few outliers)
idle urchin
Did they nerf the Hymnal of the Path trinkeyt? The damage portion doesn't seem to proc, just got the 181 from WQ. Voracity. Tested it on a tanking dummy then on a regular dps dummy and I got 1 damage proc during 2, 2min tests....
Health proced quite a bit when I was low tho
fringe marten
Ok. When blizzcon's pvp 2's tournament is won by a prot warrior and survival hunter. lemme know. Or mistweaver and disc priest... or Fury warrior and Fury warrior...
jagged pier
becuase it procs hp when your under 50%
and damage when your over
and a dumby is a really bad place to actually test stuff imo
fringe marten
Balance means you're a platform..for a gun/car/mario bro..your aim and skill are the only things that matter. These are different classes with different abilities with all varying interactions..it cannot possibly ever be balanced.
pastel vector
- 2v2 isn't the competitve bracked. 2) Tanks aren't played in arena for a reason. 3) Survival was played, ALOT last expansion. 3) Disc priest is currently the top tier spec for healing
idle urchin
I mean a 2min fight on a dps dummy and it procced once. Seems like its not OP anymore...
fringe marten
Brodda.. I get that..but you see my point.
fringe marten
If it were balanced, literally any 2 people..any class..no matter what could be competitive with anything. That is not the case.
jagged pier
plus m+ more targets to proc it
idle urchin
Gotcha Ill test it out more then sounds good
jagged pier
my 168 ilvl does more damage than Chree's but that probably due to the fact im higher hp more of the time
pastel vector
Your point was just invalidated? There is always going to be a meta to the game. Classes rise and fall, and comps rise and fall. That's how the game works.
However, ill agree to disagree
fringe marten
I know I'm just being semantic and literal. I know where you're coming from on pvp balance being 'good', I'm not trying to say you're wrong. Just for me personally if what I want to play has nearly no reason to be in any competitive pvp setting...something isn't right. I shouldn't have to play a different class, if I want to do well in 1/3 of the content in the game.
pastel vector
If everything is strong, then nothing is strong
shrewd steeple
i do wear the stone legion Heraldry 220 and i am wondering if i should pair it with Hymnal of path... but i assume thats a versa overkill?
fringe marten
If everything is the same, it is balanced. IMO an environment where you are going to have people fighting against each other, they have to be the EXACT SAME THING in order to say that skill was the absolute decider in the victor.
jagged pier
i do wear the stone legion Heraldry 220 and i am wondering if i should pair it w...
i usually swap out herald for hynmal as if no one else has herald its only like 2% vers so only does 2% of your damage where hymnal does like 4%
fringe marten
Brodda I really do get what you mean bud, and I'm positive you're right because you'd know way more about pvp than I do. I just utterly hate pvp because I play 1 thing..and that thing has no place in MOST of the pvp settings of the game. Battlegrounds I can maybe have some functionality.
pastel vector
if everything was the exact same, there would be no point to have different classes
shrewd steeple
well i am not really planning on increasing my DPS too much. since warry is bad in damage anyway. i rather be more tanky. (ofc dps needs to be enough to hold aggro)
pastel vector
thats understandable
jagged pier
well i am not really planning on increasing my DPS too much. since warry is bad ...
eh? you play correctly u dont need to be any tankier
fringe marten
Right ...this is a cooperative MMO. Our goal is to join up, and kill giant dragons and evil gods..get loot...do dungeons..etc. Even though I actually started wow to do 2's arenas with a buddy when BC launched (arms war/shaman..horde).
But that's my take on it; you enjoy pvp obviously..that's cool. I just feel it has no place in an mmo.
shrewd steeple
eh? you play correctly u dont need to be any tankier
so whats ur best pair of trinkets for an 15key?
pastel vector
YOUR goal is to kill giant dragons and evil gods to get dungeon loot. Others is to be competitve in a PvP environment with CC setups and cooldown trades. Two sides to the coin.
jagged pier
so whats ur best pair of trinkets for an 15key?
scale and somthing like spike or decanter
or emiiter
heraldry isnt bad
fringe marten
I did 4 of my 15's last week with Stone legion+ Flame of battle. I did the other 4 this week (to finish KSM) with mythic Gluttonous Spike+ the bell.
Sometimes I used Glut spike+ SLG heraldry.
jagged pier
heraldry isnt bad but it misses alot of it not buffed
fringe marten
(yes brodda that's why I said..you aren't wrong, it's just how I see it.)
pastel vector
is the only place to get the Kyrian conduit from world boss and wq?
yeah you good mate no worries, just two different opinions 🙂 I repsect that!
fringe marten
it's solid still, high str (good) and then just a full 2+% of versa permanently. So 2% more damage, 1 % less damage taken.
jagged pier
is the only place to get the Kyrian conduit from world boss and wq?
venari
fringe marten
Yes, but once you get it..you can upgrade it from venari.
I think you have to GET it first though.
pastel vector
ugh gross
fringe marten
Can the venari upgrade give you conduits you don't HAVE yet?
jagged pier
u can get any lvl of it to upgrade it
pastel vector
i cant be asked to grind the maw 😭
jagged pier
venari will raise your lowest conduit
fringe marten
that would be really REALLY nice, would make changing covenants a LOT easier.
Right; OH that's right
jagged pier
so if it is your lowest is granted to be upgraded
fringe marten
Is there a spot to get the 184 of piercing verdict?
You'd get the 184...and then uhh..well...be a mawrat~
strong forum
Callings 👍
strong forum
I just bought conduit upgrades from venari
Cuz I didn't get 200 for the longest time
fringe marten
I have 3 conduits left that are 200, soon they'll all be 213. I have a handful of 226s. So doing the math once I get them all 213. It'll be a 5 in 15 chance to upgrade one of the 213's that I 'want' each time I get a venari token.
fringe marten
It sucks that I'm so opposed to pvp too...it's literally such a great way to gear now. I'd at least have another 220 ring, probably another really nice trinket..and belt
When I play mmo's though I pick at the start "I wanna play a...this role.." then I pick the thing that I think will do that role well (if I don't have any other research to go on) and then that's it, I play that.
Like I wanted to play a ranged dps in everquest 2...so played ranger for 7 years.
I never do alts or other classes.
pastel vector
imo unless you're a world first pushing raider... class balance doesn't matter much. The avg skill level difference based on balance is so small it just doesn't matter
You'll pull more dps playing the class you know and enjoy vs swapping to whats "meta" in the PvE race
fringe marten
No, but my particular class is one of the few utterly useless classes in pvp. Only larger scale skirmish pvp (bg's) does prot warrior have some utility/value.
fringe marten
yes yes..spec. true.
jagged pier
our class is very good actually
fringe marten
In bfa I just rando'd enough 2's with whomever would join to get enough rating to get the essences I needed, then never went into arena again.
wet compass
just do rbgs as arms, arms is a good tc and then you can get your pvp gears and a decent rating pretty free
since a ton of pvp gear is really good
fringe marten
However once I get 4 reinforced ? conduits or whatever it is in Bastion. I can buy that memory book to give me the 2 legendary essences I'm missing (from pvp)
pastel vector
problem with RBGs is people wanting "2.4xp" for everything and not having it
fringe marten
so I never have to pvp at all now.
pastel vector
I have 2.1k on my NA acc but im playing in EU currently so... im shit out of luck
wet compass
Make your own group? It's really not hard and most groups are full yolo with no voice up to probably 1800 is free atm
pastel vector
LOL just rolled the 184 Piercing Verdict from my calling xD
"Speak of the devil" XD
wet compass
plus as prot you will be the actual good cov that can put someone in a babycage until they die unless raiding dps wars
fringe marten
I'm guessing arms runs that conduit where execute gains in crit each time you use it?
pastel vector
I just swapped from Venth to Kyrian because im going prot for the guild so...
jagged pier
I'm guessing arms runs that conduit where execute gains in crit each time you us...
if condemn yes
pastel vector
Arms runs Ashen + MC
jagged pier
else no
pastel vector
IF condemn
wet compass
It's not bad for sure but the baby cage is so good if you coordinate with a dk
jagged pier
u run MC and overpower
wet compass
dk grips in the caster you root them cross cc healers and caster die
pastel vector
u run MC and overpower
correct
fringe marten
Brodda, aren't all the conduits the same except the covenant specific ones? so you should still have all your old ones..just needed to get piercing verdict right?
pastel vector
Yessir, just didnt have the Cov specific one
wet compass
Hm do you keep the adventures that are non cov specific just reset back to 1 if you swap?>
Like meatball croman etc
fringe marten
If that's the case, then the venari token will guaranteed upgrade it.
pastel vector
Brutal Vitality, Inedible and Fuled are 184. and then Inspiring and Safeguarda re 184
pastel vector
iLvl 201 after 1 week so im satisfied with htat
fringe marten
Obviously it's not the most critical upgrade in the world, so you don't have to push that hard for it...I'd just save up stygia, and work up venari rep. And once piercing verdict is your lowest ilevel conduit..upgrade it.
But as prot in M+ spear is your top, or second dps..depending on the dungeon.
so getting 3% damage on it, per 'tier' is pretty nice.
3% damage 3% rage gain.
pastel vector
yeah thats why i swapped. Spear was just too valuable
fringe marten
And atm..absolutely nothing outsims that instructors divine bell (that I have..I dunno what you can get from vault that would?)
LLEEELLLLL
The maw Emissary cache
that the other guy got the 197 Hymnal from?
I just got 197 bell
I was sitting in bastion with the quest ready to turn in for the last half hour
crimson tiger
does anyone knows if spell reflect works on the ghosts in artificer fight?
fringe marten
Dunno about ghosts, it 100% will dink one of the light traps though.
crimson tiger
yeah I know that, I was wondering if anyone has tried it on ghosts and if it worked/failed
fringe marten
Would have rather the 197 Hymnal though =\ Grats on getting yours though!
I'm never targeted by ghosts..so I have no idea...I don't do that mechanic.
(the seeds)
Brodda are you explicitly raid tanking or also going to be pushing on keys too?
pastel vector
both
fringe marten
are you horde or alliance?
pastel vector
horde EU kazzak
fringe marten
ok. darn..was gonna' say if you're going alliance I'd also recommend going either dwarf.
I was tempted to go mecha gnome but since I'm always raid MT I will stay dwarf.
Mecha Gnome xmog game is hella weak though.
pastel vector
eww gross gnomes
ionic fern
Dwarf ftw.
ionic fern
Yes but it upsets me that i can't mog properly.
And i have my priorities in order.
😂
pastel vector
LOL TRUE
fringe marten
Yeah that's why I said..their mog game hella weak~ 0/10 Where's all my spikey armor bitch?!
pastel vector
play orc. Big shoulder pads = better tank
pastel vector
I said what i said
fringe marten
Dwarf shoulder pads scale pretty large...but so do our boots. You can't mog with half the cool boots in the game because they're giant galoshes on a dwarf.
jagged pier
kind of wish i could play alli tbh
pastel vector
Dwarf's in mog are the same size as my shoulder pads
dont @ me
everyone knows Shoulder Pad size = tanking prowess
jagged pier
i love getting stuck in doors
strong forum
I love not seeing shit!
jagged pier
im gunna be that guy i dont mind fmale tauren :Shrug:
undone jacinth
they’d be ok if they didn’t run like mongos
undone sun
all tauren bad
strong forum
Female tauren have better mogs and better animations than male tauren
ebon hound
no u 🥲
jagged pier
i mean i judge on animations tbh but tmog does make a point like i really like fmale panda but thos belts are yikes
ionic fern
I just play the tiny races like gnome and dwarf to maximise my screen space.
strong forum
ionic fern
I made the mistake of making my Mage a NE ...forgot their ears are clipping through every helm.
undone jacinth
having helm mog turned on 😂
ionic fern
Ofc.
jagged pier
good on some races
ionic fern
I don't have it for my warriors cause i'm representing baldness.
But on my NE idc.
jagged pier
and depends on the helm
undone jacinth
only acceptable helm mog is goggles
ionic fern
What's a paintbrush hairstyle?
strong forum
undone jacinth
oh god burn it
undone sun
ionic fern
No, not yet. I'm still not in my 30'ies for another 1 month.
undone jacinth
cling on!
strong forum
29+1
ebon hound
bröther
pastel vector
What should we be "farming" in regards to M+ trinekts?
jagged pier
scale and something else like spike decanter or emitter
deft vessel
spike?
lofty widget
gluttonous spike from raid
deft vessel
🤔
i was confused
gluttonous spike is not that good from everything I've seen and from the LFR copy I got of it
I can definitely recommend scale tho, scale is awesome
anime emitter also, but I have grown to dislike it since I've used it for almost the entire expansion
decanter okay sustained cleave, viscera okay (less so than decanter I think) in sustained single target
stone legion trinket is honestly one of the best things you can get (as far as equip trinkets go)
jagged pier
gluttonous spike is not that good from everything I've seen and from the LFR cop...
because u have the LFR version LFR version of anything is bad
deft vessel
well I'm sorry, all the normal and heroic kills I've done of him haven't given me an updated version ;-;
it's still pretty bad, I think, comparatively to other trinkets
the world quest queensguard vigil or whatever it's called does its job but literally better (and at lower item levels)
I just use scale and a viscera, those are really the only two trinkets I have of reasonable item levels
scale i'm happy with, viscera less so
but my RNG sucks balls so don't take my experience as indicative of anythin, here I am almost having key stone master (and pushing most of it this week) with a 200 shield (while 215 equipped overall)
side note - I really dislike PF paths and how they work out with prideful, you either go for a dangerous pull where pride spawns in the middle of the pack (but then timing is correct for all bosses) or you go a safer route and waste most of pride everywhere, doesn't help that it's one of the packs with the dudes that explode into little swirlies that you need to stomp out
and the third boss is a fucking pain in the ass on necrotic + tyrannical weeks
undone jacinth
don’t think there’s any dangerous pull you have to do for perfect prides
third boss is made a lot easier by having a mage and kyrian phial but it’s tough
ionic fern
I did it as Paladin yesterday..was fun.
BoP first set of adds.
DS second set of adds.
Phial 3rd set of adds.
😂
undone jacinth
yea they got that divine toll juice for aggro too
hazy fern
Trying to get gold plated parse, anything I could be doing better here besides eating food
Lol
And good morning maw walkers
jagged pier
i mean u could press execute
also probably gunna want to run AM if u want damage logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cd6GhvN9PmjqW2Fy#fight=7&type=casts&source=6 this is my best log on sire and i cast like 20 more ss than u in less time
hazy fern
You’re right At this point I and wasting bolster I will do that for my next run nice thank you
jagged pier
i never said your wasting bolster, im saying if u want to parse u have to give up defensive benefits like bolster for anger management which will give you more damage
that being said
you shouldnt be going for damage when u arent even blocking 50% of melees against u
with bolster
u need to learn to play corretly before u can go for damage
hazy fern
Ok I’ll work on that how do I see how much I blocked
It’s gotten better tho from last time I’m casting shield block as much as I can
And doing it before the melees
jagged pier
damage taken > hover over melee
hazy fern
I might be looking at it wrong but I blocked 195k with Sb and you blocked 205k with Sb I’d say I’m doing a good amount of blocking comparatively
strong forum
I mean total values depend on fight duration and time you're actively tanking and yada yada
What matters more is % of blocked hits
You could say "I blocked the same amount as you did" but the fight is taking 2min longer, so you did actually block less in comparison ykno
hazy fern
Right but I’m not seeing % I only see the amount and I’m not trying to flex I’m just trying to improve.
jagged pier
sire is a bitch to get a high positive % of blocked hits tbf, but you are running bolster and only cast LS twice would
well the way we tank it anyway like i tank the whole of phase one so cant block them all 🤷
jagged pier
nothing to do with tanking
it was easier for our dps to stack on one colour mark
instead of 2
🤷
strong forum
That's just..
jagged pier
even no when we only do like 4 casts in phase i still tank them all
plus easier for me to keep the boss still after the knockback as co tank is bdk
strong forum
Fucking wheelchairs
jagged pier
^^ this
modest oxide
Hi all - question on amarth in NW: If the adds are cc'd and then die during final harvest do they still cause explosion dmg and tortured echoes?
jagged pier
depends on the cc still i believe
modest oxide
e.g., frost trap
jagged pier
they didnt used o in that but could have been fixed now they have made it easier
ionic pewter
No frost trapped mob didn't explode yesterday
modest oxide
Ok; thanks. Thought all adds definitely needed to be killed before final harvest
vague thistle
Is there a rough "if you have this ilvl you should be able to do this level mythic+"?
jagged pier
whatever your comfortable with tbh
but that doesnt mean people will agree with u
you can actually do m+ below 60 for some reason atm
but you can run m0s in like 120 ilvl even less
strong forum
Alot of us did 12-14s already with 180 ilvl early on
But for general purpose, I'd say anything the key drops -10 to -15 ilvl
Is a good starting point
vague thistle
But for general purpose, I'd say anything the key drops -10 to -15 ilvl
That's a good rule of thumb, thanks.
undone jacinth
It was a better rule of thumb when m+ dropped real loot lol
doing 15s with 195 is not where most players are gonna be comfortable
undone jacinth
I would think most players are gonna want at least 205
jagged pier
more now i see 210-215 requirements to 15s
strong forum
Well how
undone jacinth
I mean dude the amount of people that come in here who literally don’t cast their spells...
ppl need some gear lol
strong forum
Ye so it's Motivation saying they should be able to do 15s at 195-200 :^)
That's how I hold myself responsible to stuff aswell, if people could do it with X, so can i
But yeh the difference between +10 and 15 being only 7 ilvl in rewards is a joke
Compared to the increase in difficulty
signal plover
"Do" as in finish or complete in time?
undone jacinth
in time imo
jagged pier
i mean end of dungeon reward ilvl is not worht it intime or not
undone jacinth
you can slog through a weekly with pretty much any ilvl as long as it’s not like NW or something
if it’s not in time
jagged pier
i mean NW is ajoke now
undone jacinth
you just literally won’t kill the last two bosses
if you can’t do damage
or live
modern brook
Living and damage is like 80% of the game
strong forum
@modern brook good that you're up, imagine not having this
distant iris
Question... do you guys do mouseovermacros for interrupts and stuns? maybe I'm old but I'm struggling with reaction time
strong forum
Na i tab target
Or just click
Although I should probably do mouseover for stormbolt 🤔 good suggestion
jagged pier
i tab or click as wel
jagged pier
Although I should probably do mouseover for stormbolt 🤔 good suggestion
this
strong forum
99/100 tab target actually makes me target the correct one
So I just tab kick insta
And it works most of the time
distant iris
Really? is that by design?
strong forum
No clue
distant iris
or just lucky?
strong forum
It just kinda works for me
ebon hound
^It just works
except on Mistcaller, dont trust it for the Patty Cakes 👀
during the puzzle
dont ask me how I know
ebon hound
Can't even Spell Reflect it 🙃
strong forum
Yeah lemme wait over here real quick cuz I have to kick this cast
It's about to cast and if I charge away I'll get fucked
jagged pier
patty cakes is the worst spell in the game imo
undone jacinth
if you charge away at the right time you can get it to cast on a dps player you don’t like
and I bet they won’t kick it
undone jacinth
Question... do you guys do mouseovermacros for interrupts and stuns? maybe I'm o...
better way of doing this is focus... have a button for set focus and a macro for kick that prioritises your focus kick if you have one and just kicks if you don’t... set your focus on pull then you can do whatever
hazy fern
Did that whole conversation get deleted?
twilit siren
which one
strong forum
210
undone jacinth
oh lord the thought of someone out there wearing that 207
hazy fern
Unsure why all of my convo got deleted hello?
undone jacinth
also why does that 210 say it’s tradeable @twilit siren ... something to tell us?
what convo bro
jagged pier
Unsure why all of my convo got deleted hello?
it didnt scroll up
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MZQhG1kRN9qzmyVr/
looks like your CPM of SS is a bit low and you dont press evenge alot
hazy fern
I can’t see it maybe I’m blind
strong forum
Defo blind I can clearly see it
twilit siren
also why does that 210 say it’s tradeable <@479221951693455360> ... something to...
It's tradeable cause I just dropped it from the dungeon
hazy fern
Confirmed I am blind but now I see
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MZQhG1kRN9qzmyVr/
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kGy2wxhbZnMtcaVW#fight=2&type=damage-done
here one of my logs of the same dungeon I cast over 100 more revenges than u in less time
strong forum
The 210 is very close to the 213
But it's just cloak, the difference is literally 0.1% between the cloaks
undone jacinth
go 213 for the lfg ilvl
heady plaza
Hmm ok. I'll try to cast them more. I know a bunch of the time I'm spamming heroic throw because I'm kiting
jagged pier
you shouldnt need to kite that much in 15s
only gargons later on in a pull u need to kite
heady plaza
Whats my issue if I do then
heady plaza
Should I be managing my bleed stacks or something
jagged pier
@strong forum how do u get that resouce page in logs i can never find it?
jagged pier
Should I be managing my bleed stacks or something
i mean use kyrain pot to cleanse them
use cds till its high then get rid of it
heady plaza
I think I mainly had to kite on the gargons and the shard packs
Hmm ya I try that, but its not always up to use i guess
jagged pier
why are you kiting the shard packs?
heady plaza
Cus im dying
undone jacinth
meh necrotic hoa does require some kiting
don’t get too hung up on it
use phial for the gargon packs
heady plaza
Should I try to stick in it instead of kiting?
undone jacinth
that comes from experience
heady plaza
I can try but usually when im down to 20% I get kinda scared
Especially if I dont have defensive up
undone jacinth
I mean I was watching trance kite a 15 hoa on his 225 warrior, really wouldn’t worry too much as long as you are pushing yourself
heady plaza
Hmm ok. I just feel like a liability cus my dps is so low
And my dps always have to pick up for my slack
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> how do u get that resouce page in logs i can never find i...
Legit resources - rage
jagged pier
but ever time i go to resources tab sas like cant find them etc
heady plaza
I'll try to revenge spam a bit more. Hopefully that'll help
strong forum
undone jacinth
your casts are all pretty ok, warr struggles for damage in general especially with any kiting
jagged pier
Thanks
undone jacinth
hoa is quite a unique case where it’s an easy dungeon but does require more kiting than others
heady plaza
Hmm gotcha
jagged pier
you didnt waste much rage at all tbh
your probably just over favouring IP over revenge
undone jacinth
one thing to try is only staying out until bleeds drop or necro resets then going back in quicker, but bolster makes this super rough too
strong forum
Easy, but alot of annoying mechanics
heady plaza
There was one weird thing that I noticed. Even after the bleed dropped i took damage from something
undone jacinth
usually I would say just focus on pulling bigger then kiting costs you less but bolster is so punishing for that
heady plaza
I didnt check what it was though lol
undone jacinth
bolts probably
heady plaza
Dang ok
I guess now that I think about it, I usually double pull except the shard packs
undone jacinth
won’t pull smaller than like 7 mobs on non bolster or explosive
undone jacinth
next week you don’t have the tyrannical pride issues too
astral crystal
Cus im dying
should only 'need' to kite gorgs
undone jacinth
there’s gorgs in almost every pull is the issue
heady plaza
your probably just over favouring IP over revenge
I'm guessing this is a major reason
astral crystal
ya so kite when necessary
undone jacinth
it will be yeah
astral crystal
use kyrian pot for a little leeway
jagged pier
I'm guessing this is a major reason
i mean you do double my amount IP casts
sure you do waste a little be more rage than me but really not that much and your alot better at using your rage than ppl we get in here
undone jacinth
you can lean on your healer a bit because they normally don’t do good damage anyway
jagged pier
like remeber IP is just a buffer it wont save you so once u have it up just revenge then reapply when it falls off
heady plaza
Gotcha ya that makes sense
jagged pier
i mean if u plan on kiting dont IP at all just SB and revenge spamm then GTFO
undone jacinth
np and for the record the log isn’t bad... you won’t be the reason you miss timer
ocean bloom
I usually IP once or twice during my CDs since the burst amount of rage is hard to spend with just revenge when you pop shout avatar spear and ravager lol
modern brook
<@204081428869283843> good that you're up, imagine not having this
Smh fixing next time I'm around for ur stream
strong forum
Sasuga na
jagged pier
you can follow me for free yet I only stream when a guildy asks me so they can watch progress
undone jacinth
we had an out of game raid leader do that
very useful being told to move 5 seconds after every mechanic
jagged pier
we have that but its streamed in discord if that person isnt in on the boss so the calling is on time
as the delays like .2 secs or somthing
jagged pier
F
heady plaza
Ya I'd love to see any prot war stream haha. I dont see to many so I try to watch most
strong forum
Nobody is pushing besides pika ye
I just do my weekly, this week prolly only 1, key and then peace out
jagged pier
i need 2 more to do 10 this week but i kind of cba
jagged pier
i need legs chest bracers boots and helm for that mog Nome
strong forum
done 4 on 3 alts too
Geez...
Raid mog is omega good
Literal big dick king
Black and gold with red smoke
👌
undone jacinth
looking now, seems nice apart from the helm
jagged pier
helm is trash but i need the 9/9
strong forum
To the best of my ability
astral crystal
STOP
sick sentinel
one more night and no more necrotic
undone jacinth
not sure about the shield
strong forum
Actually love the tiny shield tbh
Big shield doesn't fit this mog
And it's not like you can find a better one
Except legion blood shield from invasiond
Trying to get that one
But it's so fucking rare
undone jacinth
I always use the prison door looking thing from motherlode idk why
jagged pier
this mine
undone jacinth
looking like a final fantasy character
jagged pier
i also think its boring
but got to lay the epeen down on the guilds that do pvp and arent 1800
undone jacinth
is that the kyrian wings shield
undone jacinth
can’t see it but my alt has hc version and looks the same
sick sentinel
i'd do the raid for shield mog if it didnt have the wings
i think the wings look dumb on warrior, paladin maybe
undone jacinth
nah they are hot
jagged pier
female orc is love :3
its not female human or female panda or vulpera animations