uneven mason
because strength is armor
#protection
chilly brook
Niya really gonna pump next week
midnight jetty
how much item lv is a gem socket worth?
just got a 207 haste mast helm with socket
undone jacinth
I dont know it item by item
sec
yeah around 5-7
was a good guess xd
depending on how high you value str
3-7
I'd go with 5
waxen cradle
Hell I am wondering if we are ever going to hear from Ion as to the lack of balance in terms of tank damage dealt in ST, AoE were more than fine but ST š¤®
sick anchor
how many items can you carry in necrotic wake
can you hoard all of the items as tank
spears, hammers
undone jacinth
1 item
waxen cradle
I feel he is setting around patting himself on the back and telling himself how great a job he did on SLands
undone jacinth
they have said they don't want tanks to compete with dps but ST is particularly bad atm
I imagine they'll just nerf DH a bit rather than change the others too much but I have no idea
lofty widget
can you hoard all of the items as tank
you can have one of each item
sick anchor
coool
waxen cradle
Yeah that does tend to be there way of "balancing" things. Nerf the one performing well rather than buffing the ones that are not
undone jacinth
yup DH probably gonna get the 8.0 BDK treatment
and we'll never see it again
long live our paladin overlords
waxen cradle
I wonder if to become a class dev if as a requirement you have to look Ion in the eye and tell him how great he is so he can see your soul die
undone jacinth
I like an Ion
I imagine they are just pretty poorly run internally
happens with lots of old companies where they are too inflexible
can still produce good stuff just takes a long time
waxen cradle
well with poorly ran Indie companies like Blizz anyway
I have to admit that there idea of lets restrict the item level of loot in M+ to below heroic level, but also restrict it to at best 2 pieces for M+ was a pretty retardedly bold move
turbid horizon
tried tanking CN for the first time
saw we did this on sludgefist
neat
now I'm the tank for Mythic sludgefist
waxen cradle
Its all good though the 35 anima you get for completing and timing the key pushes in really really high keys is legit worth it I suppose
undone jacinth
just in time for my 5th character to get to layer 8
f u bliz
but also good change
wait
more buffs
arms and fury buffed again lmao
how many times will it be..
lofty widget
arent they doing pretty well already?
devout pike
can u link the buffs @undone jacinth
chilly brook
Fury went from dead last to being better than arms
And its gonna get better now
Where the prot damage buffs at tho
shut summit
š¢
gaunt dawn
I tried guys
I sent a letter to the lead dev
Saying 'buff prot warrior dps'
The ink may have run and made prot smudge
So they buffed dps warrior instead
blazing condor
Dear Blizz, i wrote you but you still aint calling
i left my bnet, discord and rio at the bottom
chilly brook
Saying 'buff prot warrior dps'
Maybe they'll take your next letter titled "make tanking great again" to heart
amber herald
the pug was curious
foggy vapor
So as prot warr we wanna try to keep sb as high as possible uptime right? and do we use whirlwind in aoe situations?
gaunt dawn
Tanks are taking too much damage.
Ink smudge on are taking.
Tank nerfs
chilly brook
So as prot warr we wanna try to keep sb as high as possible uptime right? and do...
You want to have as many effective block casts as possible while minimizing block casts that wouldn't do anything or aren't getting taken full advantage of
And WW is not a good button no
chilly brook
Sounds more like he was griefing
amber herald
I don't even know
undone jacinth
ppl say this dumb stuff
constantly
the classes that are meta are the classes that offer the most to the raid
enhance has no immunity, no raid buff
it will always be tragic unless its literally top 3 dps
chilly brook
Well that's the point
foggy vapor
Ok and whats with ignore pain? is it right to overlap with sb? i just pressed it as soon as i could if i felt like i die without it might be a mistake?
chilly brook
Is that hes saying enhance and feral will gain a lot from the gear
But I mean also it's a pointless prediction
undone jacinth
doesnt matter
gaunt dawn
Did you know all specs scale with ilvl
chilly brook
Ok and whats with ignore pain? is it right to overlap with sb? i just pressed it...
IP is just a damage smoother
gaunt dawn
Melee kekw
chilly brook
You press it when you are taking a lot of damage
undone jacinth
and feral doesnt gain anything particularly special from gear
chilly brook
Otherwise you revenge
chilly brook
I just want my token enhance shaman
undone jacinth
people make up this 'scaling' thing whenever it suits them
chilly brook
So I can gain 200dps
gaunt dawn
There will be a single tank fight next tier
On ptr
And fixed for live
Same for a 0 tank fight
undone jacinth
I already have my token enhance shaman and it is actually nice
gaunt dawn
Did you know sludgefist was a 0 tank fight on beta
undone jacinth
but still dies to everything
gaunt dawn
Pets could taunt and stay alive easily.
chilly brook
Scaling is a meme imo
undone jacinth
it is a complete meme
chilly brook
The whole "ww doesnt scale well" thing is bonkers to me
undone jacinth
just a random term people make up to describe something being randomly better or worse in the next tier
chilly brook
Its mainly just an excuse for poor balance
undone jacinth
exactly
right now main stat is super value
and ww loves that
bfa secondary was king all the way through
chilly brook
People like to conveniently forget WW being good for most of Legion
undone jacinth
yeah like I said just make it up when it suits them
undone jacinth
its like how people say timegating when they complain about caps per week but then conveniently also flame blizz for infinite grind heart of azeroth
just buzz words that nobody really understands
chilly brook
That's not really the same
undone jacinth
its just another example of people using pointless terms
static shore
Hello guys, I see top tier protection warriors pushing versa over haste why is that ?
chilly brook
Hello guys, I see top tier protection warriors pushing versa over haste why is t...
Because of the keys they're doing
Damage scaling
Or rather damage intake scaling
chilly brook
It's not something you need to worry about in a 15
static shore
They get around 20-22 % versa and only 13-15 % haste
undone jacinth
they are not targeting a %
they just get vers because they don't wanna die
very simple
static shore
I wanna push mythic raiding , which of the two should I chase ?
chilly brook
Well scaling isn't a buzz word because scaling is the actual reason why
chilly brook
I wanna push mythic raiding , which of the two should I chase ?
Haste
static shore
Iām currently 3/10
chilly brook
Really
You should be gravitating to highest ilvl
Worry about secondary stats once they're all 226
static shore
Thanks guys
I got the 220 dena ring and I wasnāt sure if I want to use it since it has mastery haste and not versa
Iām sitting @ 23 versa and 14 haste
undone jacinth
stop thinking about your %s
static shore
Btw Iām co tanking with a blood dk and on details I see the Dmg taken Iām 30% less but I donāt do dmg
chilly brook
Welcome to warrior
static shore
I try to keep up with shield block / ignore pain but I donāt spend my rage on dps
Should I say fk it and spam excecute and ravage ?
Revenge *
chilly brook
You're still behind everyone else by a good few hundred dps
Oh wait
Wrong screenshot
chilly brook
There it is
Literally dump as much rage as I could afford into dps
Still 600dps behind my cotank
chilly brook
Should I say fk it and spam excecute and ravage ?
Only if you're not in danger
Like you dont sacrifice your life for a few extra dps
static shore
For example shriekwing fight , my co tank starts tanking and until he get the debuff I use 2x ignore pain instead of dumping my rage on revenge
Maybe I should say fk it and go full dps
undone jacinth
yea try to get damage in where you can
but priority is staying alive
ur dps is pretty inconsequential
vestal moat
So I guess they arent touching tanks with latest tuning.
undone jacinth
the main time to focus on getting dps in is when ur guild needs it for a kill like inerva or sun king or something like that
vestal moat
I was hoping for some m+ buffs. anything.
static shore
I thought it was my fault of not bringing dps but it seems everyone is struggling
undone jacinth
tanks are probably in 9.1
your dps will help but most bosses shouldn't be a tight dps check
so usually staying alive is more productive
static shore
Thank you !
chilly brook
For example shriekwing fight , my co tank starts tanking and until he get the de...
If your cotank is tanking
Theres no reason to press IP over revenge
coarse kestrel
im guilty of hitting ip instead of revenge when not tanking if there's some raid wide damage
probably the wrong play
foggy vapor
How is your feeling as pwarr do you get "easy" in pugs or you get the off-meta punch?
undone jacinth
you get in pugs based on your experience the same as anyone else does
theres a few vdh fanboys but not that many
ocean bloom
IO/Prog speaks way more than class
ionic pewter
you should just never hit ip and blame your healers
For real though, stop pressing IP and see how it goes, I found my healers kept me up no trouble. Then just use IP at specific pain points.
sick sentinel
i cant comment about legion m+ but in BFA whenever i had a monk healer i alway feared for my life a bit
outside of that giga bubble thing, didn't feel like they doin shit some times and uses way too much mana
same for paladin too but for different reasons, not good at 5 man healing then
cinder nova
I feel like I'm weak and slacking.
Raidlogged, no M+ all week.
Just staring at my GME Mon-Fri.
This weekend is all catch up.
Are we Kleia this week for Necro?
trim bay
Pelegos for life
cinder nova
I mean yeah, but can you still immune necro with Kleia/Phial?
lofty widget
yea
cinder nova
Then I'm gonna go Kleia. Something about being able to reset Necro stacks on Tyr bosses in high keys gonna be more useful than some extra Mast.
This whole week is just fucking exhaustion.
Steady on, lads. Thanks.
heavy sail
Damn 5% baseline to frost DK
A spec that is totally fine but just worse than Undead
heavy sail
It wonāt
Enhance got buffed too which is surprising
Iām pretty sure frost after the 11% is actually decent.
They were a bit of a sleeper before
Maybe an overreaction by blizzard seeing them at the bottom idrk
undone jacinth
they are just all literally the bottom melee performers at the moment
all in need of buffing in raid
undone jacinth
specs like enhance need to be buffed massively to stand a chance
affli just too dumb strong atm
trying to out dmg them in raid is a nightmare
heavy sail
I just hate how much ramping is necessary
undone jacinth
they feel really nice to play too
heavy sail
Like using 8 GCDs to do damage
undone jacinth
set up and pay off in Malefics is super satisfying
good balance of skill reward
thereās a few specs that could do with those high moments
heavy sail
I think arms and fury will be pretty good in future patches with different borrowed power mechanics entering the game
Like tier sets could really set them over the edge imo
3% wonāt do shit for the moment though
undone jacinth
the game will be completely different in 9.1
theyāve still got another 5 rounds of buffs to come in 9.0 first
heavy sail
Surprised to not see any MW monk buffs also
Not like a throughput buff, theyāre already fine
But mana efficiency needs to be tweaked to match other healers imo
Going OoM halfway through a pull and needing to drink between every one just sucks
undone jacinth
they clearly want that otherwise woulda fixed it between BFA and SL
has always been their problem
would be nice if mana was actually used by more than 3 specs in the game
heavy sail
Mana problems make them terrible in PvP right now also
Despite having some decent utility
Maybe blizzard intends that but idk, feels like shit.
undone jacinth
itās definitely too much
could give them more damage or something
but they only really do numbers changes outside of big patches
slow pace of change
sturdy sable
I feel like every time I hear about mistweavers it's about how mana hungry they are
simple mural
Woo guild downed 4 more bosses tonight on Heroic.
coarse kestrel
guys i stopped casting ignore pain when not tanking and now im all orange!
simple mural
Why would you cast if you're not taking damage?
coarse kestrel
im bad?
simple mural
Ah
dark lark
Guys, I'm making the switch to Venthyr and it feels so good to be out of the permanent flashbang that is Elysian Hold. What soulbinds are you guys liking? Seems like all 3 have their strengths for tanking, even if Condemn doesn't necessarily
deft bridge
you can use mounts in kyrian sanctum tho
lusty marsh
Kyrestia the Firstborne will now hover a little further back from the Devos encounter, eliminating most camera interference she once caused.
Thank the gods
astral crystal
he doesnt pop an inky black potion and make bastion even comfier
chilly brook
>he doesnt pop an inky black potion and make bastion even comfier
inky black potion is the best thing to happen to the game change my mind
chilly brook
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Kyrestia the Firstborne will now hover a little further back from the Devos ...
apparently not lol
sturdy sable
Just a little bit
eternal ice
turn your camera lol
wraith hemlock
hi, noob question
I checked the tinyurl for the spell reflection spell list. I'm on hungering destroyer on my alt but I don't remember something about SR
Does it get consumed if the warrior has miasma? Like the warrior has miasma on him, they use SR... will it only reflect one tick? Cuz the image in the link for that part shows it deflects more than one and my 2 warrior guildies are being kinda stubborn SR is useless in this fight to also deflect the spunge
since we are on mythic (and I haven't done mythic hungering on the warrior) i don't know this
sturdy sable
It's 1 tick
SR is massive ok hungering tho lol
It allows you to soak an orb for free or not take damage from the big circle thing before that (blanking in the name)
wraith hemlock
okay, tyvm
sturdy sable
It's huge and up for every one
subtle island
Consume?
signal plover
Expunge
subtle island
guy here saying he gets 3k dps on generals hc with it
signal plover
majority of top parses on HC SLG are using ITF https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2417&difficulty=4&class=Warrior&spec=Protection
highest kill with ravager is 2.7k
signal plover
You think someone would do that? Go on the internet and tell lies?
undone sun
nonsense
fallow mortar
They can't lie, the internet has fact checking
chilly brook
@patent osprey look what you've done
last mason
do u lust and pride this week on halls first bboss, or hold lust for 2nd boss with pride
in pugs
patent osprey
lol
sacred quarry
Anyone run 15+ DOS this week?
vagrant cape
I think lust+pride first boss and having pride for 2nd is fine (for HoA)
patent osprey
@sacred quarry yeah why whats up
sacred quarry
@patent osprey any and all advice (no matter how simple) would be appreciated for bosses. Its last one I need for KSM and about 5 runs have all been stuff by a different boss. If we wipe on any of them it feels like the key is toast, so I'm hoping I can play as perfect as possible
Timed PF, NW, and SD much easier this week. Going crazy at DOS though
sacred quarry
Ooo, tyvm watching now
void moat
I LOVE THIS MAN ^
sacred quarry
Seeing a warrior in +20 is inspirational haha
void moat
I'm always watching his stream now just to glean all the little things I can
sacred quarry
@patent osprey going to shoot questions as I watch video. At Hakkar now. To what extent as a tank are you helping with adds? Do you do anything different if an add fixates you?
My strategy so far has been target adds in melee, toss of stuns when I can, and try to pull boss out of blood pools
last mason
can u kyrian pot stigma of pride
vague jetty
he is venthyr? interesting
patent osprey
<@!133743762999476224> going to shoot questions as I watch video. At Hakkar now....
Hello Cypher, You should CC adds with stuns as much as humanly possible and drag boss near adds whenever you can. Anything to assist your group.
Make sure u spell reflect any piercing barbs you can
On Dealer Xy'exa, make sure you spell reflect explosive contrivance and then you dont need to use a trap to avoid the damage
graceful cobalt
Hi wich convernant as Tank Warrior? and i have conduits Unnerving Focus Show of Force Stalwart Guardian should i play with Anger Managment or Bolster?
graceful cobalt
ok. and whats with Into the frey or Revanger? I find that it plays a little bit better with into the frey
lilac bloom
i've been doing into frey
i dont realy use revanger
but not sure about mythics
maybe good for mythic keys no die
no idea
i've been playing prots for raids
alot
ocean bloom
i use ravager on any fight with cleave and ITF otherwise
maybe at lower haste levels ITF will feel better but i feel fine currently
graceful cobalt
ok thx
strong forum
Hi wich convernant as Tank Warrior? and i have conduits Unnerving Focus Show of ...
Has a neat cheat sheet
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graceful cobalt
thx. yeah i have checked the pins but see some with ventyr some with kyrian
from Transmog defently the Ventyr wins, becouse Kyrian i look like a Paladin
strong forum
Covenants aren't gonna make or break anything but will help in different situations, kyrian is overall the best
lilac bloom
i just like the kyrian potion and the spear of bast great for warrior rage regen
paper gorge
Does it make sense to space out ravager and kyrian spear usage from a defensive standpoint?
Currently I'm either capping on rage or ignore pain when using both ravager + spear on pull, and after that rage gen is much too slow to reliably keep up both IP and SB on pulls with both phys and magical damage.
Any advice on how to play these two abilities better?
190ilvl running +10s if that matters
strong forum
They naturally space out
By the 15sec difference in CD
Don't hold their CDs for long, it's a waste to just not use it
Even if you're about to rage cap, 1 more IP and/or then into revenge spam is a great way to deal dmg with Ravager up
chilly brook
he is venthyr? interesting
Yes he's a DPS main in raids
paper gorge
Yea that makes sense. I've been saving spear to better help me kite and ravager to get some threat from afar
paper gorge
Will try that. I've been using them more as defensives currently due to the extra rage gain they give.
fringe marten
Uhhhh..??? Did they buff our Kyrian troops for our mission table; or is it a renown level we recently reached that boosted up their power some?
humble mason
Honestly I really wanted to go Condemn, but the fucking spear of bastion is WAY too good for m+ to pass up, mainly because you can tether the mobs, leap away and just laugh at them as they vainly flail at you as you stiffarm their heads like a schoolyard bully.
strong forum
Yup, so much this
humble mason
Unless you are fighting the undying giants in DoS, in which case you just kinda pray.
strong forum
Well they just suck
humble mason
Indeed. Warriors can straight up facetank their rage, but its also really easy to end up not blocking one of the hits, and get instagibbed.
native coyote
Uhhhh..??? Did they buff our Kyrian troops for our mission table; or is it a re...
they were boosted, maybe not the troops but the companions https://www.wowhead.com/news=320688/kyrian-and-venthyr-adventure-companion-buffs-night-fae-trapper-troop-rework
fringe marten
Ok, thanks Psonica. I was just setting up missions and looking at the actual 'kyrian' mobs (not the ones from torghast) and noticed their numbers were all higher on their abilities, some a LOT higher.
The kyrian troops were trash, the nightfae could beat really hard missions just because of the synergy of a couple of their guys abilities.
Was looking at some of their numbers and was like "why is this owl dudes attack like WAY higher than it used to be?"
Whoh ? when do we get Bron?
Aww damn Kleia was the only one who didn't get buffed. I can see why too..she was the only one who clapped cheeks.
fringe marten
Also...the final upgrade for the Anima Conductor in the kyrian base. Anyone know off hand what "Kyrian Enhancements" are? (I know what the elite foe is)
lilac bloom
the best i could do on h sire https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YaX7rzxn3H28qbG1/
jagged pier
can help after this m+ run what do u want looking at
lilac bloom
i was in p3.. just need movement of boss got him down to like 17.2% or something
i wish we could have gone closer but rely on other tank to move the boss.. i kinda know with the diagram for phase 3 but not confident
this time i took revenge off
fringe marten
Why would you take revenge off?
jagged pier
well from the quick look i had movement is the least of your worries your only blocked 30% of hits against u
lilac bloom
i need more i gues
i dont know how to get more blocks unless i dont have as much haste
my haste is at 14% which is low
lilac bloom
i used it with thunder clap to generate my rage
perhaps i been spamming too much on other things i didn't get that opening to use it
jagged pier
SB doesnt generate rage
lilac bloom
ohhhh
i use it when its up
as much as i can
but it doesn't come up fast enough.. usualy after shield slam.. thunderclap i get enough rage and when its off cd i use it
i am not sure how its not keep comming up.. it stacks every 2 times i used once.. then .. wait till its up.. use 2nd time
frail wyvern
Don't overlap your use of the charges on SB
fringe marten
Now..you can use shield block when you aren't the active tank, when you're pushing for parsing for the damage boost to shield slam. But if you're pushing tough content you want to not be burning blocks when you are't the active tank. The other thing that can wreck tanks on P3 Sire Denny is not letting your stacks drop before you take him back.
jagged pier
but if your using it when its up then you wont have charges when u are tanking
like i just looked at one of my logs
and i had 3 less casts of it but blocked twice the amount of melees
fringe marten
Yeah he's habitually burning block when not tanking; either he does it out of habit or has macros set up that do it.
Prot warrior..IS block management.
Like..it's our whole thing.
slim current
fringe marten
So if you are using shield block when not tanking, you need to be conscious of the fact you're doing it ONLY for damage, and you may not have a charge when you take the mob back.
slim current
Soon the mountš¤£
lilac bloom
ok
fringe marten
yeah I have 3 zones I haven't timed at 15 or over. one is necro wake..which I did last week a few times. One two of the runs, a 15 and a 16? two..DIFFERENT hunters managed to die on the last boss early on and we have 7 mins or more going in. And the battle became such a long slog we eventually wiped before we could kill him before the 7 mins.
lilac bloom
its either that i'm tanking remoria if thats why i used shield block for
fringe marten
TWICE...a hunter..
What kind of curse is that on me?
Just ..clean run..got up to the end, 7mins+ for final boss, NON tyrannical..and it turns into a charlie foxtrot because some hunter just dies.
slim current
Ye we had 6 mins i think going in (16) last boss without bloodlust. Still had like 45 sec left only I think
fringe marten
(was same group each time so didn't have Brez's...the group was very strong so I was like "pssh ..we've already done this it's NP)
jagged pier
its either that i'm tanking remoria if thats why i used shield block for
u should always use SB as the bosses always melee u
slim current
Been really close to time it but people always fuck up on 2nd last boss for me specially this week
slim current
SB doesn't stack like IP
jagged pier
you can over lap it it just increases the duration
frail wyvern
If u cast 2 shield block too close to eachother you don't get the full time on it
slim current
Sadly
jagged pier
If u cast 2 shield block too close to eachother you don't get the full time on i...
yes u do
sweet summit
SB stacks
fringe marten
No it even says on the tooltip the duration stacks.
sweet summit
even with last stand
slim current
Ignore pain stacks and refresh duration
jagged pier
so does SB
sweet summit
ignore pain stacks to two times
frail wyvern
Mine seemed to cap at 9s if I do it 2 globals next to each other
slim current
2.3 times I think IP stacks it's a bit more than 2
fringe marten
Oh I'm sorry..it doesn't now. It used to? At some point it said on shield block tooltip that it stacked the duration.
jagged pier
no its to 2times its size
slim current
Aah ok
jagged pier
Oh I'm sorry..it doesn't now. It used to? At some point it said on shield bloc...
it does
fringe marten
Yeah, IP is a 'bit' better than it used to be.
slim current
When using IP talent you increase the amount tho. You can have like 30k shield
fringe marten
Umm..I don't see it any more jakey. Just says blocks all melee for 6 sec, these can be critical blocks, increases shield slam damage 30%
slim current
I guess 70k+ health is better tho.
fringe marten
Aye but that IP talent conflicts with our best self healing talent that ALSO gives 10% more max HP.
Indom is just too good to pass up atm.
jagged pier
eh?
slim current
I wouldn't mind swapping for the self healing tbh. 10% tho is alot
jagged pier
i pass it up all the time
fringe marten
For what? the vic rush one?
jagged pier
i take stalwart and unvering
slim current
IP talent is nice for generals tho. Some heavy spike dmg right there
lilac bloom
other then sb.. is everything else ok?
fringe marten
The IP talent is kinda' lackluster because, Unless it's been changed from BFA, the % it increases is a direct % to how much missing HP you have.
jagged pier
other then sb.. is everything else ok?
not your literally missing casts of SS
which is a lot of rage
fringe marten
Never Surrender would actually be cool if you could get the 100% boost fairly 'early' in your missing HP pool.
jagged pier
your prio TC which is our lowest prio spell
slim current
And even if you got 25k shield and timer is running out. Just refresh it last second and timer refreshes
fringe marten
If Never Surrender gave the 40 to 100% boost in IP strength early in our missing HP total, AND made it function like it did in legion (prevent 90% of incoming damage) It ..would probably be worth taking over indomitable.
jagged pier
other then sb.. is everything else ok?
you casted the wall once yet your running the wall leggo
lilac bloom
thats when i was going through the mirror
i didn't want to die.. if during that magic phase
slim current
Yea, indomitable is better now for sure. I'm just saying there is a few cases where never surrender can actually be "good"
lilac bloom
i think was like 40% hp or less
fringe marten
^^ You know I'm probably guilty AF of that too....in some fights anyway. I run the wall and then on heroic fights like..never use shield wall LOL Except maybe sludge in last phase.
icy dirge
Is 60 percent damage mitigated on heroic sire good ?
fringe marten
I'm just so used to running the wall though I don't even bother to swap to my boots on content where I probably won't ever need SW.
jagged pier
i think was like 40% hp or less
right thats fine but it seems like u dont understand the class all that well, we are a premetive tank meaning u need to us your cds to reduce damage
fringe marten
Just used to the rage gain at this point so I just revenge more for dps.
lilac bloom
its not enough.. for some reason
jagged pier
with the wall leggo u can cast it a lot more to reduce damage
u dotn pop osmething when you drop
lilac bloom
its just extra caution for me to pop it if anyhting happens
jagged pier
thats the wrong way to play the spec
fringe marten
But if you are only blocking 30% of active hits against you, you're wasting shield block, or not using it much. And if you're missing Shield Slam procs..oh man~ Just pick up some WA's..or make some easy basic custom ones for yourself.
So you see a nice centralized visual indicator when shield slam is up or something.
lilac bloom
what do u mean cast it more with the wall leggo
slim current
With leggo and conduit you will have wall up every 1.5-2 min
jagged pier
what do u mean cast it more with the wall leggo
right okay
slim current
In sire you can use it 4 times
jagged pier
to the wall leggo reduce the CD of sw so u have it more often
slim current
If not 5 tbh
fringe marten
The big point of running 'the wall' legendary is to reduce the cooldown of "Shield Wall" but it also has a nice boost in rage gain from shield slam as well.
lilac bloom
its on 4 min cd
jagged pier
what do u mean cast it more with the wall leggo
as a prot warrior u should be using bolster and SW to cover the gaps in your SB uptime
jagged pier
its on 4 min cd
not with the wall
as every tiem u SS u reduce the CD by 5 seconds
did u even read your leggo
lilac bloom
it says by 5 ec
slim current
Conduit takes away 30 sec. The wall makes SS reduce CD ALOT
jagged pier
it says by 5 ec
EVERY TIME U SS
slim current
5 sec each time yes
fringe marten
plus the conduit reduces it by 30 seconds (at the 213 one) and if you run anger management you can push it down even faster. But you won't generally be running anger management on anything YOU feel is "difficult" content.
slim current
And you use SS every 5 sec+proca
So it's like 1.5-2min cd mostly which is great if used right
In m+ I run the wall and pop it every 2nd pack. Helps alot 15+
lilac bloom
i dont know if it pops that fast cos i never use it unless i have to
jagged pier
thats not how prot warrior works
u need to use SW and LS(with bolster) to cover when u dont have SB up
you dont pop stuff when u get low
slim current
Then you can facetank for 8sec+last stand to get threat then kite the rest
jagged pier
u shouldnt be getting low
lilac bloom
so if i dont have sb i just jump into sw and ls
jagged pier
your supposed to stop the damage not take it
lilac bloom
then sb when i have it up
jagged pier
no its ither
slim current
You should use your cds proactively not reactively
lilac bloom
and if i use my sw it will come back 4 secs less then normal
like 3.6 secs
i mean
3min and 6 sec
it will come back again
jagged pier
no it comes back about every 1:30 mins
fringe marten
Well jake just said you're missing shield slams.
frail wyvern
5 sec per shield slam, you are missing shield slams so not getting the reduction you should be
fringe marten
As a side note~ Mythic Hungering destroyer trinket is ..damn good. Got it Tuesday and been rocking it this week in keys/etc. It's strong.
Same raid I also got mythic shriekwing trinket..and was reminded when stuff didn't match up with sims...that DPS 'intended' trinkets are reduced in potency for us by like 33%? or 25%?
whatever it is..it doesn't hit as hard as the tooltip says, and simC doesn't sim it that way either.
The damage isn't phenominal (on the mythic hungering trink) but because the healing is a multiplier of the damage, at the 226 level the healing portion of it starts getting damn good, and the damage is 'ehh' bit less than other dps'y trinkets but the healing is now worth equipping it for.
So..if you're a mythic prot progression tank; and see hungering destroyer trinket..don't just pass it up thinking it's not great because the heroic one is 'meh'.
(in your vault)
stoic mural
Hey bros, does it require different stats prio for raid ? I see most "best prot" going haste > mastery > vers . Where i'm told to go haste > vers in MM+
placid oar
I think it was due to the gear they got Krizx. From what I gather here, ilvl is what we wanna aim for first. Then try to get as much haste as you can.
When u hit the high keys, thatās where u want to value versa.
jagged pier
Hey bros, does it require different stats prio for raid ? I see most "best prot"...
it really doesnt matter
ilvl is better than all the rest are all very close after haste
cedar perch
Hey guys thinking about raid tanking with my warrior what legendary would you guys recommend?
heavy sail
The wall
cedar perch
tyvm if you dont mind would be the same for m+ ? or sould i make another one for that?
oh btw what piece would you recommend for the wall shoulder or back?
heavy sail
I did shoulder.
And Thunderlords is preferable in m+ imo.
But if you want a catch all legendary to dump soul ash into for now, the wall
cedar perch
what stats are best for tanking nowadays when i last tanked it used to be mastery + something
heavy sail
Haste is numero uno
For your missives if thatās what youāre referring to specifically you want haste and vers
Haste just speeds everything up, which improves rage gen and GCD time and thus uptime on your defensives.
Vers is pretty simple it just makes you take less damage and deal more
Generally more stats > ābetterā stats
So follow the juicy ilvl wherever it takes you
cedar perch
so its like ilvl>haste>vers>crit then mastery?
signal plover
vers mast and crit are basically =
the prio only applies if you're comparing pieces of the same ilvl (cept rings/neck where you can sometimes justify a slightly lower ilvl piece with heavy haste)
undone jacinth
by the time that stat priority matters to you, you will understand what you need enough to not need to ask the question
true wind
in the Tankguide from IV they state that haste > crit > vers for Mythic+ but as mentioned, they are fairly equal so far.
wraith timber
Iām currently kyrian for pvp but wanting to go venthyr, how much would I be gimping myself for raid and M+ as prot?
sick sentinel
if i want to run twisting corridors for the mount
do i have to run all 8 parts in 1 week or something
signal plover
god i hope not
sick sentinel
i ran 1 part of it, and we made it through with 1 life at the end, so, i don't look forward to doing more
wraith timber
No itās just like normal torghast
Run layers 1-7 once to unlock the next layer account wide
signal plover
i've just been doing shadehound hunts lol...my wife got the mount this week....and she's a fuckin druid
sick sentinel
it took longer than a mythic + run
wraith timber
^
sick sentinel
well, if i can run part 2 this week, and part 3 next week, part 4 2 weeks from now etc or maybe faster...
i just don't feel like spending 8 hours at that crap 1 sitting or 1 day 1 weekend probably would be hell
signal plover
my cotank did it solo day 1 after raid
i was like dude
what is wrong with you
he said "vroom vroom gotta go fast"
undone jacinth
Iām currently kyrian for pvp but wanting to go venthyr, how much would I be gimp...
not that much, you will be fine
quaint glade
I try to but the necrotic is killing me š¦
strong forum
go pack by pack, dont pull too much make sure to interrupt casts
undone jacinth
kyrian?
strong forum
abuse spears on bosses
heavy sail
Wanna run at 25ish stacks depending on your CDs and or externals
Let it reset
It helps to plan a route and make it tight
So you can anticipate when and where to go to drop stacks
quaint glade
Also Iām 209 ilvl shall I go full ilvl or by stats?
undone jacinth
ilvl
heavy sail
Like if youāre skipping the miniboss you should have a gameplan in place to tank the two bridge mobs without getting cucked just as an example
Not sure if that pulls actually a problem
I havenāt done NW during necrotic
stoic mural
Anyone know how to track efficiently your Tank mate stacks on Nathria ? i think my WA don't do it properly :/
took WA package from MythicTrap
cedar perch
hey guys quick question should i run Draven as a soulbind for the dmg reduction bellow 40% health or go with nadja for the haste buff with 40 stacks?
strong forum
id run Draven, cuz tanks cant be tanky enough in current meta
stoic mural
Thanks @strong forum
blazing condor
does bounding stride have more vaule this week in m+ or is the movement speed reduc from CT still good enoguh
strong forum
whatever floats your boat
patent osprey
does bounding stride have more vaule this week in m+ or is the movement speed re...
CT is always bis. While kiting the extra range on TC helps
blazing condor
just thinking for dropping necro and stuff, but it hasnt really been a problem using either
so was mostly just curious
but thanks : ) @patent osprey
patent osprey
Thanks guys just did 11+ nw on time :0
Gratz!
quaint glade
Thank youš„°
scenic pendant
How's prot warriors nowadays? Haven't tanked since Legion, might pick it up again. Strictly open world content, probably not doing anything higher than LFR and M0
strong forum
youll be more than fine
scenic pendant
Tanks don't have to worry about daze, right?
strong forum
nop
frail wyvern
The cleanse from kyrial phial...Will stoneform remove the same things in nathria, or is there any which stoneform doesn't work on but phial does?
cosmic oasis
they both work for shriekwing bleed/hunter first dog and stone legion both bleeds
frail wyvern
Thinking of going dwarf from human so I can stay venthyr and not feel pressured by my guild to change covenant š
strong forum
ye they both work on the same abilities
i dont think theres a stoneform / kyrian phial exclusive debuff you can cleanse that the other cant
frail wyvern
Great, thanks both
tardy parcel
with the nerfs to NW, do folks still skip nar'zudah? or is he worth killing now?
patent osprey
he is always not worth
compact hinge
So wowhead says to take unstoppable force for m+ while the pins say ravager. Why is that
patent osprey
usually mini bosses aren't worth the time they take to kill @tardy parcel
strong forum
where does wowhead say to pick unstoppable force
patent osprey
even if they are worth more %
compact hinge
Under the m+ section @strong forum
patent osprey
So wowhead says to take unstoppable force for m+ while the pins say ravager. Why...
i think it's unstoppable force for leveling
patent osprey
but Def always ravager for m+
strong forum
doesnt say Unstoppable for me
sterile moss
ooh, updated š
strong forum
the M+ specific section isnt updated
compact hinge
strong forum
the talent builds are
ebon hound
undone jacinth
why sap it when I can just kill it
timber nexus
Maybe itās just by chance, but I feel like I havenāt seen any Prot warriors in game lately (in raids or m+ keys). Is this spec just really unpopular right now?
fervent axle
It's not FoTM so not as popular as DH and pally but we exist. I don't really pug though. There's ~15k parses on normal shriek if that matters.
lofty widget
it's the least played in m+ and raid but we are definitely out there!
unkempt fox
Any idea if disturbing the peace 226 conduid giving the same 8 sec reduction as 213 is a bug?
sweet summit
i think its decimals
patent osprey
Maybe itās just by chance, but I feel like I havenāt seen *any* Prot warriors in...
it's a little unpopular atm but still very viable and fun
sweet summit
and the tooltip just doesnt show it
midnight stone
I think I still see a fair number of prot warriors. I don't see many prot pallies anymore, which I didn't expect.
minor sundial
is prot warri rly taht bad?
midnight stone
No - (purely anecdotal) I think it just has less room for error, and in general its easier to play around the strengths of others (VDH, Brew, Guardian) than it is to play around a warrior
jagged pier
hm?
midnight stone
Everything is fine up to 15, and then group composition / coordination matters more than what tank is in your group, I think.
minor sundial
Oh i see
I just asking because right now im an arms warr
But thinkin about the tankin
But i must obviously change my covenant
Etc
jagged pier
u dont need to
minor sundial
Idk if its worth the time and energy
jagged pier
can do 15s with any covenant and mythic raid with whatever cov u want
dense flame
Venthyr prot and kyrian prot feel pretty different
midnight stone
Well, feel and viablility are two different things
jagged pier
yer they do but both have their own strengths
patent osprey
I just asking because right now im an arms warr
take it from a guy who is a dps warrior main ^.^ your cov doesn't matter that much to push high keys
you can still be a good prot warrior as a venthyr
midnight stone
Your knowledge of the pulls / your own class will matter more than your covenant
minor sundial
I dont want to change covenant mosty for the damage or the strengths
More like the vibe
minor sundial
Tankin in kyrian with the spear in kyrian
Is more comfortable in my opinion
For me at least
undone jacinth
it's true but as long as you don't mistake comfort for performance
you're still gonna be just fine on venth
minor sundial
Thats good news
patent osprey
kyrian is a little more comfortable for tanking. but u give up so much in dps for raid it feels bad
alpine lichen
which ring enchants is the way to go for HC raiding?
alpine lichen
got it ty
stoic mural
Kyrian is a really good one, used to be Fae and it was really nice too. Venthyr seems really nice and soulbinds looks cool. DOn't go maldraxxus and you already did the good choice š
patent osprey
Kyrian is a really good one, used to be Fae and it was really nice too. Venthyr ...
I'll show you! necrolord plka inc
stoic mural
If they allow us to wield the flag, i fully go Necro
strong forum
ive played with the thought of going nightfae, cuz its more dmg than kyrian, but tether is just too nice
WANT MORE PUMP
wheres my +10% aura buff
stoic mural
What are your WA for MM+ just checked your UI on a Stream, really cool to see dots
stoic mural
ive played with the thought of going nightfae, cuz its more dmg than kyrian, but...
Switched to Kyrian after being Fae since release. Life changing for MM+ atm i swear
strong forum
mine or plkas UI
stoic mural
Plka didn't see your UI
@strong forum Just checking atm, is it a WA the "cd tracker" ?
strong forum
the party CDs? yeah thats a wa
stoic mural
tried on an addon, complete mess but guess yours work fine
undone jacinth
I swapped as well
doesn't bug out etc
highly recommend
plus you can see when stuff is activated
stoic mural
lets try this
is it SuperSecret shadowlands dungeon pack one to see all those "important" debuffs ?
Its improveUI night so .. ^^
barren socket
undone jacinth
yea
lofty widget
has anyone tried prot in rbgs?
lofty widget
maybe arms is better then?
im super new to any pvp and wondering what would be easier
strong forum
you can swap between legos so you have leaper as FC and wall for fighting to get SW back up, buuuut i didnt play RBGs ever so idk
patent osprey
so it's super easy to transition
undone jacinth
arms is pvp god
foggy vapor
How is it possible that prot warr deals so little dmg? is it a gear thing?
vestal moat
i'm 224 and still do about the same as my 203 DH
foggy vapor
hm thats sad so prot kinda struggles if the co-tank is smth like a prot pala?
undone jacinth
if by struggles you mean doesn't do as much damage
then yea
you should still be able to hold aggro unless he's full blasting after you taunt or something
foggy vapor
okay thats good to hear
strong forum
i'm 224 and still do about the same as my 203 DH
thats a š¤
cuz im doing the same dmg as my 218 vdh cotank
strong forum
even then
vestal moat
Im talking keys
strong forum
yeah but vdh wont do much higher than that even at higher ilvl
cuz you aint playing spb then
undone jacinth
o.O
vestal moat
there you go
undone jacinth
10th place warr 3k 10th place vdh 4.3k
my 190 paladin can almost do as much damage as my bear and bear is in warrior territory for damage
strong forum
at 16 dh drops a couple hundred dps
and warri gains a couple hundred dps
yes vdh does more dmg
nobody is denying that
vestal moat
The question is realistically if a 203 DH does the same or more thana 224 warrior.
And I think the chart strongly suggests yes.
undone jacinth
at 16 dh drops a couple hundred dps
if you go to 17
the difference is almost 2k
between the top parses
that is completely insane
strong forum
its just sad man
undone jacinth
and he's not even using spirit bomb
strong forum
idk how thats even possible tbh
strong forum
we have spear
undone jacinth
vdh damage... its a whole different world
strong forum
its the same thing
undone jacinth
uh
strong forum
i just dont understand where the dmg is coming from
undone jacinth
im necrolord on my dh so I cant check the numbers
strong forum
its not sigil
undone jacinth
but im sure sigils numbers arent equal
strong forum
sigil is 700 dps
spear is 700 dps
nvm actually
they have the fucking conduit
adding another 230 dps
undone jacinth
their abilities just all do too much dmg
immo with the talents does loads
soul cleave does a lot more than people think
its competitive with spirit bomb
and ppl dont realise
strong forum
soul cleave hits for the same amount of revenge, they can just soul cleave more often
if you never use IP
vestal moat
even baselines their abilities are good
strong forum
youd get the same amoutn of dmg out of revenge
undone jacinth
they are baseline yea
strong forum
yup
strong forum
i used 199 revenges in my 16 and did 750k dmg with it
dh casted 273 soul cleaves
and did 950k dmg
but soul cleave does like 4 things
when revenge does 1
so its legit just them not needing to sac surv for dmg cuz its their regular rotation + immo aura and ED conduit really
undone jacinth
just get 100% leech
strong forum
cuz their immo aura for some reason is their top dmg
undone jacinth
then itās good
undone jacinth
immo aura just has a lot of talents that nobody used til this expac so they didnāt realise it was busted
vestal moat
Im fine with our raid performance. just need something for keys
strong forum
na
raid dmg is even worse
legit 20% behind other tanks
and then 50% behind prot pally
thats not OK
undone jacinth
idk a lot of tanks do terrible raid damage
undone jacinth
is just palas and maybe monks ahead last I checked
foggy vapor
dmg intake as prot warr is fine if u use sb good right? not just 20-50%hp chunks in 1 hit?
strong forum
overall mythic
hungering
cant go much higher cuz representation screws with it a bit
but legit 15-20% behind
undone jacinth
I also think a lot of that is skewed by reclears
reclear guardians boomy convoking are probably a lot different to prog logs
strong forum
i mean
undone jacinth
warrs are too low on damage for sure
but I think most raid tanks do too little dmg
vestal moat
Our survivability in raid compensates for lowish damage.
and other utility. im not saying we are the best. but i am ok being a little behind in damage.
but keys is just an abomination
we are the worst at everything
and that's not okay. there should be a tradeoff.
molten stream
I hear that about pwar in m+, but are there any basic changes blizz could make to put us in a better spot?
undone jacinth
numbers buff
strong forum
any positive change could make us OP real quick
undone jacinth
is the only thing they do
strong forum
gotta be careful with that
deft sapphire
Warriors damage is a bit low, same with blood
strong forum
gimme 10% more damage and im already happy
deft sapphire
I mean have you seen holy paladin damage
vestal moat
But they have not touched healers or tanks in balance tuning at all with a slight exception to shaman nerf healing a few months ago.
strong forum
then ill do 4.5k+ every key
undone jacinth
not only have they avoided all tanks but also avoided all dungeon mechanics that are hard for tanks
all their nerfs have been to group or healer mechanics
Like castigate etc
strong forum
i aint pushing anyway so surv doesnt really concern me at all in 15-17s, just let me pump
deft sapphire
I kinda agree that the tank damage being so high and requiring kiting for a lot of specs is dumb in m+
Feel like previously it took longer for kiting to be that important
undone jacinth
meh thatās not entirely true
strong forum
or very specific scenarios
undone jacinth
maybe as warrior
strong forum
well, also as vdh cuz gluttony lul
undone jacinth
I kited a fair few times on VDH
strong forum
but yeh when you dont get rolling on vdh you did need to kite
cuz dogshit uptime on AM
but also 0 dmg
legit 20k dps andys
undone jacinth
nah I didnāt play most of that corruption shit, got fed up half way through the patch
dumbest system
undone jacinth
for a week yeah
strong forum
cuz you killed everything with TD before he could
na TD was always fun
dumb, but fun
undone jacinth
after time I was like ok so Iām just not in control of how much damage I do
why am I playing
strong forum
hey
undone jacinth
so I didnāt
strong forum
remember SL
where youre not in control on if you live or not
but your dps are?
fun times
undone jacinth
I still feel like thereās something I can do
strong forum
you cant do enough
undone jacinth
even if that thing is running for my life
undone jacinth
I have found quite a few good los spots
strong forum
dogshit fucking playstyle that needs to die
undone jacinth
I do some decent stuff with them
it does feel a lot better to tank 7s than it does 17s though and I never thought that would be the case
strong forum
i did an 11 back a few weeks
thinking "yo this is easy shit, gonna be fun, meme it up"
nop... felt squishier than in 15s cuz dps did less dmg than me
and didnt even time it, cant boost 3 people at once it seems
undone jacinth
yea thatās why I said 7s lmao, dps doesnāt really matter in them
I can just have fun
deft sapphire
I did an 11 yesterday š trying my hand at tanking
In pugs lower than 14 dps let so many random casts go off
āMake sure you interrupt withering discharge :)ā
strong forum
hah even my premades dont remember kicking that
undone jacinth
people whine a lot about Rio score mattering etc but it is actually insane how much worse players without exp are
strong forum
and i have to spam scream to interrupt that withering writhing thingy cast
everytime we're in ToP
deft sapphire
Iāve managed to convince my premade in top that the ranged need to stack on melee
Took a long time but they released itās better for their dps too
For the jumpy boys
strong forum
spear handles that for a bit luckily
but then the mage blames me for dragging mobs out of his flamepatch
when theyre leaping him
or when hes fixated by a mob, he screams for aggro
god i hate mages
deft sapphire
For some reason ranged brain stops them from realising that those things target ranged
Or the furthest away people at least
undone jacinth
that is the worst thing about ranged meta
strong forum
its also dogshit classic UI
undone jacinth
how dumb ranged players are xd
strong forum
that doesnt show you what you have aggro on, or what cast is happening
fucking hate it
deft sapphire
And then you see them stand in melee on the shards when they can outrange it
Legit no brain
strong forum
but then they make fun of melee brains
not even knowing that theres like 300 more melee mechanics that they also have to deal with
cant just blink away from them and still deal dmg
HATE ranged players
deft sapphire
Ranged never expect to interrupt or deal with void zones
Itās also very apparent if your tank is a bad dps player if youāre melee
Because the way they position mobs and void zones cucks you way harder as melee
But ranged donāt understand that
undone jacinth
I said earlier but I asked a Hunter to trap a praetor and he just ran up and tar trapped it then body pulled the pack
that sums it up for me
why I wish I could double melee every key
deft sapphire
He trapped it though
undone jacinth
he did
strong forum
yeah when i asked hunters to trap something, they often just use binding or tar trap
or just flare
strong forum
or better
deft sapphire
Can you cc the shades (huntsman)
undone jacinth
then just put ? In chat
strong forum
using trap when being told to use flare
deft sapphire
I precast my trap and it misses
strong forum
to get out stealthies
deft sapphire
???
strong forum
you just see the tar trap flying
in spires after first boss
instead of flare at the cats
10/10 move
undone jacinth
I think thatās what I hate about SL the most
I had to take hunters off my ban list
deft sapphire
The thing is good hunters make keys so much easier
undone jacinth
and it actually depresses me
deft sapphire
But there are so many bad ones