protection

[lilac bloom]

so have u guys seen my log

[uneven mason]

Ele and Enhance are doing very well this Xpac so far.

Yes Eddie, but

there is almost no phase 2 on there

[undone jacinth]

enhance is the sleeper m+ spec I’m just saying

[heavy sail]

It’s good.

[lilac bloom]

darn..

[heavy sail]

Every shaman spec is decent right now

[undone jacinth]

I will check your logs when I get on my pc soon bro

[heavy sail]

Blue men rejoice

[uneven mason]

you're also tanking BOTH the sword and Denathrius at once Edd

[lilac bloom]

thanks

[heavy sail]

Ele PVP is fun

Very fun

[lilac bloom]

cos the other tank didn't taunt

[uneven mason]

ok

that isn't on you

[heavy sail]

Well it could be on you

[lilac bloom]

well.. he's like suppose to taunt and tells me that i taunted too early when wrecking pain finished casting

[heavy sail]

If you failed to communicate it

I mean you shouldn’t need to but still

If you don’t and die you can only really blame yourself

[lilac bloom]

yah ... well i thought he knew

but even though i should have able to survive that shouldn't I? or not with carnage

cos i probably have 3 stacks

[heavy sail]

Hell nah

You can’t survive tanking both with stacks

[undone jacinth]

3 stacks of Denny debuff?

[heavy sail]

Not even with decent gear

[undone jacinth]

wtf

[lilac bloom]

thats what ppl think i can survive with that

[undone jacinth]

lmfao

[uneven mason]

3 stacks of sword debuff

[undone jacinth]

ohh

[lilac bloom]

i could clear it with my kyrian potion

but then i wont have it for long cos its a 3min cd

and i can't keep using it

[undone jacinth]

it doesn’t go on cd

only one use per fight

[heavy sail]

Yup

[lilac bloom]

oh there u go then

that sux

[undone jacinth]

tilts me every time

makes me wanna be necrolord

[heavy sail]

But then you can’t ascend dolphin

Not very poggers

[lilac bloom]

but being kyrian is fine for this fight right?

[heavy sail]

Yes

[undone jacinth]

kyrian is good

[heavy sail]

Your covenant choice means dick

This is normal CN right?

[undone jacinth]

hc

[lilac bloom]

so i'm not sure if u can see if i teleported boss to my position when i got that 50% hit from him

i dont know what ive done to take such big hits other then getting hit from sword as well

and when i went pass the mirror with the spell reflect.. not quite sure was it hte sword that followed and hit me as well

[patent osprey]

Lets do it dolphin. Necrolord bromigos

[undone jacinth]

finally my calling

[heavy sail]

If you do it we’ll have to collectively acknowledge that Necrolord is bis

[modern brook]

i didnt actually look at the logs

but this is questionable

are you sure your cotank is playing the game?

[lilac bloom]

he is he's like raid leading

but only 7/10

[modern brook]

Did you have tank swaps

[lilac bloom]

i dont thinhk he know what to do in phase 1 but think he does

[modern brook]

i just realized the metric im looking at is like every single person in your guild

[heavy sail]

Phase 1 is ezpz

[lilac bloom]

suppose to be.. i'm suppose to tank boss to the wall leaving abit of space for the ppl in the group to stand behind me then he tells me not to move the boss.. cos they say by leaving him like 2 square away should be fine and everytime i do that he teleports right behind me

and i moved him then they complained and .. knight hunters are like everywhere.. and ppl couldn't soak properly cos they are too far out

no idea why .. they say tanking to the wall have been fixed

and we struggling just to get to p2

and when i did get to p2 we end up dying cos of something

[heavy sail]

Sounds like your raid is struggle bus friend

[undone jacinth]

@lilac bloom I'm going through your longest pull at the moment

this is the 30 seconds leading up to your death

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t28qhY1fmKabHr3C/#fight=59&type=casts&phase=3&source=2&start=51912294&end=51944598

what do you notice not in this list

[lilac bloom]

ignore pain

[undone jacinth]

wait

[lilac bloom]

i did'nt cast it

[undone jacinth]

I just checked the entire pul

[lilac bloom]

probalby

[undone jacinth]

you didnt cast it in the entire pull

once

[heavy sail]

No demo shout

[lilac bloom]

thats the problem

[heavy sail]

No IP

No shield wall

[spiral wave]

oof

[uneven mason]

wheres your HP Pot

health stone

rejuv pot

phial

[lilac bloom]

was that in phase 1 or 2

[undone jacinth]

you also don't cast demo shout

p2

[uneven mason]

you're not using CDs

warriors pop CDs like pez

[lilac bloom]

oh ok..

[undone jacinth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t28qhY1fmKabHr3C/#fight=59&type=casts&source=2

this is the full pull

you cast demo shout 1 time

and IP 0 times

in 4minutes 45 seconds

[heavy sail]

53 revenges compared to 11 SB

[undone jacinth]

11 SBs 0 IPs 53 revenges

[lilac bloom]

i was trying to dps adds 2

[uneven mason]

no

you're not a DPS

[lilac bloom]

i would think revange would quickly give me sb

[undone jacinth]

so your demo shout helps you do damage as well, but you aren't casting that either

[fierce tendon]

revenge doesn't proc shield block

[heavy sail]

Revenge is a spender not a builder lol

[uneven mason]

SB doesn't have interactins with revenge

[undone jacinth]

you should have 5 demos shouts in there

[fierce tendon]

Shield block / shield slam are 2 different spells

[undone jacinth]

you have cast 2 spears of bastion but you could have cast 4

[uneven mason]

@lilac bloom read the guides

[uneven mason]

Shield Bash isn't even a spell anymore (Its all pummel)

[fierce tendon]

er not bash but slam sorry

[lilac bloom]

ok.. so ignore pain spam and demo everytime

[heavy sail]

No

[fierce tendon]

not every time, read the guides man

[lilac bloom]

and sb

[spiral wave]

no spam

[fierce tendon]

the guides will help you a lot

[heavy sail]

SB uptime is paramount, don’t spam IP use it with the flow of damage and as necessary.

[undone jacinth]

also I think you are the same guy that I saw do this before

but why are you casting battle shout after pull?

[heavy sail]

Use demo on CD when tanking

Like actively tanking I mean

Not swapped

[lilac bloom]

where u get the guides from icy vein?

its commanding shout

[fierce tendon]

If you go into the discord tab for this server, 3 tabs up from Prot (this channel) is the faqs and guides for each spec

[lilac bloom]

they wanted me to mitigate everyones' damage b4 blood price

[undone jacinth]

no

[fierce tendon]

commanding shout isn't rallying cry

[undone jacinth]

one second in to the pull

you cast battle shout

as your first global

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t28qhY1fmKabHr3C/#fight=59&type=casts&source=2&view=events&phase=1

[lilac bloom]

must have click by mistake

[heavy sail]

If you’re trying to smooth as much damage as possible I guess it would be worth saving demo for predicted downtime in SB but I usually just let em fly

[lilac bloom]

i only do battle shout b4 the pull but ok

[undone jacinth]

you also say about wanting to kill adds

but you hold spear until 37 seconds

when adds spawn after 10

[lilac bloom]

well i try to hold it b4 adds come but thats in phase 1

phase 2 i didn't use it at all as much

[undone jacinth]

I think what I would say is that you just have a ton of spells that you aren't using... my main recommendation would be to focus on your defensive buttons (IP, SB) a lot more but mainly just get a good set of weakauras or UI set up that really prominently shows your buttons

if you ever see demo shout off cd, hit it, if you see shield wall or last stand off cd, think to yourself 'I can use this if I want', if you see spear, use it etc

just click way more buttons

[heavy sail]

You’ll make your healers lives a lot easier

[lilac bloom]

i do have luxthos warrior cooldwons

not sure whats the best out there

[undone jacinth]

ok good well maybe delete parts of it to make the main things more prominent or just focus more on it

maybe remove your revenge button for a while

[modern brook]

T-T

[undone jacinth]

I used to do things like that back when I had to learn, ideally it's not necessary

[golden pollen]

It all comes down to practice and being comfortable with ur defensive/rage management

[undone jacinth]

but you have to cast your other spells way way way more

[fierce tendon]

the best way to do it is to make your spells as readable as possible to you, it might be hard to set up a ui if you've never done it before, look up youtube guides on cookie cutter setups tbh

You can even copy ones you like if you use popular ones that take import

[devout pike]

What you can do is

[lilac bloom]

i use only revenge to hold aggro on multiadds but yah.. i guess i can try to take it out

[devout pike]

Swap some bindings so u will use revenge less

[heavy sail]

What do you need to hold aggro on Sire

You should have plenty

[undone jacinth]

you're using all of your rage on revenge atm apart from an occasional SB

the way to fix that is a) cast more spells that generate rage and b) cast less revenges

[heavy sail]

You aren’t losing threat by not casting 53 revenges

[lilac bloom]

sometimes ineeded jsut for the trash b4 sire..

but on sire.. i probably wouldn't and just take it out

[undone jacinth]

revenge is a good button

you are just neglecting your other stuff right now

[heavy sail]

And it’s totally fine to pump revenges out by the way

[golden pollen]

Revenge is good to weave in

[heavy sail]

It just can’t be at the cost of your other defensives

Gotta have the right priorities

[lilac bloom]

yah.. i have to wait for my rage to build up b4 i can cast

thats the thing

[golden pollen]

TC ss demo

[fierce tendon]

Demo and spear give you rage, which you're clearly lacking uses of

[lilac bloom]

i rely on shield slam and thunderclap plus demo shout to get my rage up

yah i should not hold spear back

i should cast more

[fierce tendon]

Also don't be afraid to use charge when you're not active tanking if you need rage

[lilac bloom]

ok

ok will do

and the spell reflect does help me with the transition through the mirror right?

i also see a video it helps when wrecking pain comes

not sure if i should use it or save it for mirror phase during hand of destruction

but i've been saving my spell reflect and used it on hand of destruction when its cast

and straffing boss to the mirror

[fierce tendon]

I'd use it on hand of destruction, not sure if it works with wracking

[lilac bloom]

i just saw a video of prot warrior horde doing it.. so not sure if i should or not

[chilly brook]

Hand of destruction does damage?

[undone jacinth]

it's not that important where you use it, focus on the other stuff

keep using it on mirror its fine

[fierce tendon]

Hand can reflect the max dmg to boss

[uneven mason]

narp

[fierce tendon]

no??

[uneven mason]

didn't they nerf that?

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure no

[fierce tendon]

oh

[uneven mason]

fun detected

[fierce tendon]

lol

[uneven mason]

they Fun Detected a ton of stuff with SR on Denathrius

after seeing Limit do it

[fierce tendon]

that's what I was basing it off

[heavy sail]

A ton of stuff with SR period

Not just with that fight

[uneven mason]

yeah, can't let us be stronk for anything

[uneven mason]

RIP solo tanking Lady Darkvein

[lilac bloom]

but it will help me to survie right?

[modern brook]

i read that too fast and read it as shattering porn 😦

[uneven mason]

yes it'll reduce dmg

[fierce tendon]

U can sr blood price but not the other garb lulw

wtf

[chilly brook]

But again

[lilac bloom]

just as long spell reflection would help me live

[chilly brook]

Hand of destruction does damage?

Like

[uneven mason]

ONly if you stand in it

[chilly brook]

You go through the mirror

And it does nothing

[fierce tendon]

In the last phase yeah

[lilac bloom]

i seem to be the last one that goes in

[uneven mason]

you should be first so hedoesn't cleave

[lilac bloom]

maybe cos i'm slow

[chilly brook]

You're better off using it on shattering pain

[uneven mason]

you use SR on HoD for the inevitable

to reduce the shadow hit

[lilac bloom]

phase 2 is the one that i died most on

thats what i've been doing

[fierce tendon]

From mechanics or boss dmg??

[chilly brook]

But the 14k from last hit of shattering

[lilac bloom]

and when i gone through the mirror.. i either get hit by somthing or got infront of a tanks' wrecking pain thats the problem

[uneven mason]

mmm I suppose

[chilly brook]

You're only ever at danger when actively tanking him

[chilly brook]

Then you're late af going through

Like super late

[lilac bloom]

i cant leap through the mirror

[fierce tendon]

Realistically you should be tanking him near the mirror so when he does hand everyone gets pulled close to mirror

[lilac bloom]

or else i get more damage taken right

[uneven mason]

but looking at your logs Eddiel, while you have issues, your entire guild is somewhat flipperhanded.

[lilac bloom]

yah the other tank wasn['t

[chilly brook]

Tank him next to mirror before hand of destruction

[undone jacinth]

this is not the problem

[chilly brook]

Problem solved

And why would your cotank be pointing the wracking pain at the mirror?

Wadu

[undone jacinth]

he isnt

this guy is taking 1 wracking pain stack

max

[lilac bloom]

he's pointing at the adds like ppl telling him

[undone jacinth]

every pull

I have been through your longest pulls and you never take more than 1 stack

[lilac bloom]

i taunted the boss everytime he getsit

[undone jacinth]

dude

you're dying because you don't use any of your defensive buttons

that's it

[golden pollen]

Use more IP if needed lol

[undone jacinth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t28qhY1fmKabHr3C/#type=auras&source=2&view=events&phase=3&spells=debuffs&ability=329181&boss=2407&difficulty=4&wipes=1

[lilac bloom]

oh well ok

[undone jacinth]

in all the pulls you linked to us, 39

you took 3 total wracking pains

in 3 different pulls

it is not an issue

[chilly brook]

If you're pointing at adds it should either be off the platform or through the middle which isn't anywhere near the mirror so idk how this happens if it's not pointed at the mirror

[lilac bloom]

so i just do more defensive spells

[chilly brook]

Yes but no

[lilac bloom]

if i can get my rage up and is off cd

[chilly brook]

It's not as simple as just I press this more

Its using them effectively

[golden pollen]

Rage management

[lilac bloom]

the thing is when i want to use it.. its off cd

but yah ill read up the guide

[golden pollen]

It's nothing a guide would solve I think

[lilac bloom]

and sometimes they hit me realy hard that i end up spending the cd like shield wall or avatar or last stand then end up dont have cd for other things

[undone jacinth]

denathrius doesn't even cast wracking pain after hod btw

[golden pollen]

R u always out of rage because u always want to press a button?

[uneven mason]

You need to break the habbit of pressing revenge as often as you do

thats why you're rage starved

[lilac bloom]

i try not to i try to use only shield bash , thunder and demo if its up

[undone jacinth]

you're also rage starved because you don't cast demo shout or spear of bastion

[uneven mason]

during progression hit revenge if you have an open GCD and its lit up

otherwise, use IP

to dump rage

because you need to not die

[lilac bloom]

just that if he starts hitting hard and healer doesn't get enough time to heal me then i pop big cds

[uneven mason]

pop CDs when you know damage is coming

[golden pollen]

Don't take Devastor, manually spam those devestaor between TC/ss

[uneven mason]

warriors are 100% preemptive

[sick sentinel]

if we are not taking extra damage, how can healers pad logs?

[uneven mason]

we get ahead of damage.

[uneven mason]

NO

stop

[golden pollen]

Ull always have something to press during gcd

[uneven mason]

horrible advise

[fierce tendon]

Devastator is so good honestly

[lilac bloom]

devastator tallent?

[uneven mason]

he's having rage issues, don't tell him to not take the best RPS talent

[lilac bloom]

i should take it off?

[uneven mason]

no

[fierce tendon]

No

[uneven mason]

you should not

[sick sentinel]

Devastator talent is very good

[golden pollen]

His rage issue comes from spamming revenge

[chilly brook]

During prog you say?@uneven mason

[golden pollen]

And if he prefers to always press something during a global

[fierce tendon]

U don't take a talent off for a gameplay issue

[lilac bloom]

ok i got to stop using revenge

[sick sentinel]

@lilac bloom Listen to Griff

he knows his shit

Im living proof of it

[chilly brook]

Dont listen to me

I'm just dummy

[uneven mason]

@chilly brook the sad thing is, our DPS is so horribly low compared to Pal/VDH/BrM that even pumping like that, we're never going ot be the difference between a kill/not kill

[sick sentinel]

Not really

If you are reliant on tank DPS to make a kill

[fierce tendon]

heroic throw pad smh

[sick sentinel]

thats a yikes

[chilly brook]

Oh trust me I know

[modern brook]

thats prog tbh

[uneven mason]

Heroic throw is massive aggro bro

[chilly brook]

What else am I gonna press during consume

[fierce tendon]

shattering:^]

[uneven mason]

squeeky bat

[lilac bloom]

i use heroic throw as well

[golden pollen]

Be a goblin, hit ur rocket

[lilac bloom]

shattering not so much

[sick sentinel]

Im assuming that we are comparing 2 equally skilled tanks, not a tank to a good one

[lilac bloom]

btw.. i get caught alot of times when i went through the mirror and i'm infront of wrecking pain.. is there a way to stop that

[undone jacinth]

dude

[lilac bloom]

from getting hit by it

[undone jacinth]

eddie

please stop

what you're saying

literally isn't happening

the boss does not cast spells in that order

at that frequency

and you are not getting caught by anything

[chilly brook]

I cry

[undone jacinth]

the most stacks of wracking pain you have ever taken is 1

you are dying because you don't cast any defensive spells

that is literally it

change this adn you are fine

[sick sentinel]

Tbh, I find prot pala so squishy

[uneven mason]

they are

[lilac bloom]

oh wells

[undone jacinth]

prot pala is missing a defensive spell tbh

like it's just not there

maybe if wog was off gcd or something

[undone jacinth]

there were some more significant issues than that unfortunately

[chilly brook]

Comparison to my most recent kill

[signal plover]

Pssh not even 69 blocked hits

[chilly brook]

Can't really dig into this too deeply

Because mobile

But there definitely seem to be issues

On your end

[lilac bloom]

i need more shield block

need more rage

[lilac bloom]

probably my haste at 14% at the moment

[chilly brook]

Stop using revenge so much

And you can block

And use shield wall

Or last stand

Not used once

And you died without using them

[lilac bloom]

cos i dont know when it comes

[lilac bloom]

its like a big hit all of a sudden

[patent osprey]

But the parse

[chilly brook]

Lol no IP either

[patent osprey]

but the parse

[golden pollen]

feels like ur playing a gladator not a prot warrior 😄

gladiator*

[chilly brook]

Cant parse if you're dead

[patent osprey]

thats a lie. I just have to live long enough for the boss to be almost dead

[signal plover]

25 SS also seems...rly low

[patent osprey]

Ive parsed many times like that

xD

[undone jacinth]

that one last execute

[lilac bloom]

i dontknow what i'm playing ilm trying to live but can't .. its not my fualt all of a sudden a big hit on me and spam everythign tryitng to stay alive

[chilly brook]

Everything the boss does is predictable

He follows a pattern

[signal plover]

I mean technically you "parse" every fight

[undone jacinth]

eddie

[patent osprey]

Id rather wipe than parse grey

LOL

[signal plover]

Respect

[undone jacinth]

thats a true

but finding ways of wiping your raid without them realising

sometimes difficult

[patent osprey]

every pull on SLG Mythic was like... if I get wicked blade on the opener for first set of adds... I hope we wipe

[signal plover]

Having to leap out glyph during hero on artificer = big sad

[lilac bloom]

i dont have answer for them why i'm dying

[undone jacinth]

I set up all our priests to grip me back in

ez

[lilac bloom]

they just say i'm a bad tank and grab another one thats it

and my days of prot warrior is over

[signal plover]

Ppl have given you like 20 answers here

[undone jacinth]

why don't you try casting some defensive spells

[signal plover]

Ppl have given you like 20 answers here

[undone jacinth]

before you give up

[lilac bloom]

yah i know.. i hear and listennig it

[undone jacinth]

you arent listening because you're still saying it's not your fault

[lilac bloom]

but i'm just saying how it is

[signal plover]

Prot warrs have to know the fights so that you can prevent the dmg before it hits you

[chilly brook]

I mean

This is gonna sound harsh

But you are

[lilac bloom]

because i just said it .. idont know when big damage comes.. cos i was still on full health then suddenly wacked me

[undone jacinth]

you don't need to know when damage is coming to use your basic defensive abilities

demo shout on cd, use IP more than 0 times

[chilly brook]

You have to know what's going on and use your abilities properly to mitigate

[signal plover]

Right that's also true

[chilly brook]

And you aren't doing that

[signal plover]

Like literally there would be huge improvement just from using SB and DS on CD when actively tanking

Instead of just blowing the majority of rage on revenges

[lilac bloom]

that was a mistake i own up to it

so i just keeping getting nuked here by doing revenge

ok i get it

wont use it

[signal plover]

Have you read through the icy veins guide?

[chilly brook]

It's not a blanket don't use revenge

Your priority just seems very off

Especially when you're spec'd into bolster and dont cast last stand

[signal plover]

I don't mean opened up and selected talents and glanced at abilities, I mean actually reading the texts in the abilities and cool down sections

Because to me it seems like that would be a huge benefit to you

Otherwise pwarr will keep punishing you

[chilly brook]

^

[lilac bloom]

i didn't think ineed to cast it as much unless i realy do need it

[chilly brook]

Bolster with last stand gives you tons of shield block uptime

[golden pollen]

can it be that, u dont think urself as a tank but more of a damage dealer?

[lilac bloom]

ok..

[ocean bloom]

[lilac bloom]

i didn't realy think of it that way just though it be shorter time.. for last stand but yah i saw it

will use it

i have always been tanking not damage dealer.. look just cos i use revenge.. and i used it cos i thought it recharge my shield bash quicker so i can build up my rage

[chilly brook]

I'm thinking the problem is you're just not bothering to look at your abilities or read anything about them in the guides

[lilac bloom]

thats the only reason i used it not.. to kill adds

[cedar nimbus]

Shield slam to build rage. Yeah?

Revenge is more for maintaining threat, at least that’s how I use it.

[lilac bloom]

yah

that 2

[cedar nimbus]

Depends on the key level I guess.

[lilac bloom]

but i see it rechages shield slam quicker which is why i used it often

[chilly brook]

It doesnt recharge it at all

It has a chance to reset the CD

[lilac bloom]

it lights up for me

[chilly brook]

Like all our offensive abilities

[cedar nimbus]

It’s a proc tho, not guaranteed.

[chilly brook]

^

[cedar nimbus]

Kinda like the lottery just...less shitty.

[chilly brook]

You can get the proc from devastator or thunderclap as well

[lilac bloom]

thats what i've been relying on.. proc

[cedar nimbus]

Thunderclap more dude.

Hold your challenging shout til when shit hits the fan.

[lilac bloom]

thunderclap i ahve to wait for my rage

[undone jacinth]

I made a guide for you

[lilac bloom]

and yes i know shield slam and thunderclap do build rage.. but takes time

[chilly brook]

Thunderclap doesnt cost rage

It gives you rage

Its F R E E

[cedar nimbus]

Omg a real artist here, damn @undone jacinth I love it.

[undone jacinth]

it took me a long time

snipping tools really need an upgrade

[cedar nimbus]

Loool

Kinda like prot warriors...ha...haha

[chilly brook]

@lilac bloom this isn't denathrius but you might find it useful

[undone jacinth]

budum tshh

[chilly brook]

https://youtu.be/-nPShmyequ4

[lilac bloom]

thanks dolph.. illl study it..

[chilly brook]

Rage should rarely be an issue sometimes you just have to think ahead and pool

Which means you might have a few globals where you dont press anything that costs rage

[cedar nimbus]

@chilly brook I asked a question here about DH kyrian ability generating assloads of threat. Is that a thing?

[chilly brook]

Which means you might not have anything to press

That happens

[chilly brook]

I would assume it does

[cedar nimbus]

My buddy pulls threat constantly but when he ain’t there is have 0 issues.

[chilly brook]

Oh from a dps DH?

[cedar nimbus]

Yeah.

[chilly brook]

Shouldn't be more than normal threat values

But DH has a lot of on demand burst

[cedar nimbus]

That’s what I thought but we’ve tried to figure out what it is that causes him to pull it, can’t figure it out. I’ll try to get some footage tonight maybe you can tell me where im messing up.

[chilly brook]

Hence why you might be having issues

If he uses beam+kyrian sigil

Hes gonna burst hard

A lot of people can lose aggro just from the beam

[undone jacinth]

kyrian sigil

is

[chilly brook]

If it's at the start of the pull

[undone jacinth]

one of the craziest threat spells there is

I would say it's probably 2nd behind chain harvest

then maybe bladestorm and combustion

but combust is obviously different

[uneven mason]

When I was kyrian/venthyr I'd lose aggro to DH burst, ancient aftershock is the only thing bursty enough to hold against it

[undone jacinth]

losing threat to my cotank when he casts sigil

feels good

watching the nameplate colour change from one spell

[uneven mason]

sigil is lit the reason why VDH is meta

[undone jacinth]

big part of it yeah

my damage is still pretty intense on necrolord though

[strong forum]

Cotank didn't log off or prot pal for trash after sunking

204 prot pal did about 50% more damage than 220 pwar on trash, I had aggro on nothing

It's so fun bros

I totally don't wanna kms

[jagged pier]

^^ this

tbh

[undone jacinth]

they are so fun

die to everything but super fun

[jagged pier]

if my ret/prot on sunking doesnt heal

i would have no aggro

[patent osprey]

oh man griff, my next video Im putting on youtube is actually a commentary on Sanguinie depths +19 lol

great minds 😉

[chilly brook]

Oh no

I'm about to look like a scrub

Jk I already do

[strong forum]

"okay so you go in, press buttons, be cool aaaaand that should do it! Tune in next for for more dipsndricks"

[jagged pier]

Plka making us all look bad

[undone jacinth]

hmm got a real problem

[chilly brook]

Ngl I kinda feel like SD is free

[undone jacinth]

does anyone know if the badge of justice clown tmog is still purchasable

[jagged pier]

probs is now after nerfs

[patent osprey]

I dunno about that lol the gaunlet on high fort keys hurts

[modern brook]

Sd gauntlet is a little 🔥 but everything else is fine

[chilly brook]

The timer tho

Feels generous

[undone jacinth]

sd timer has always been nice

dungeon is just rough

[chilly brook]

Gauntlet is truly the only part I dislike

[undone jacinth]

nobody got to the timer because of first two bosses and gauntlet xd

[sick sentinel]

griff did u time the 11

[chilly brook]

Yea I have a 14 SD done

Still felt free

[sick sentinel]

if so im gunna watch the video so i understand this pride buff shit

[chilly brook]

Dont watch it for good prideful timings lol

Was just a random pug weeks ago

[silver trout]

second boss is kinda bleh still.

[patent osprey]

Griff u have so many youtube views T_T Teach me how! Im just starting youtube now

[uneven mason]

2nd boss is the race track right?

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh

[silver trout]

I ended up soloing the last 20% on our last run.

[chilly brook]

I just post things sometimes

[uneven mason]

He's ezpz

[chilly brook]

[modern brook]

@patent osprey you gotta call to action

[uneven mason]

centrifuge I guess is a better term for him.

[silver trout]

condemn spam to the rescue 😂

[undone jacinth]

find out what the YouTube algorithm likes and then spam it everywhere

gg

[chilly brook]

People tell me I'm good at it but like I'm bad at actually posting

[patent osprey]

Where should I post 😮

[modern brook]

WHATS UP GUYS PLKA here with another LEEEEEEGIT key. Today we're gunna be doing a 19 SD as prot warrior HA yeah PROT warrior

Before we begin if yall like this content be sure to SMASH that like button and DMEOLISH that subscribe button and of course remember to SLAM the ltittle bell

[patent osprey]

People told me they prefer when I put the audio in my keys where im yelling at my team to kick instead of music in the background

[undone jacinth]

hey guys it’s ya boi

yea audio for sure

[modern brook]

you can steal that format from me no royalties

[silver trout]

haha

[undone jacinth]

I used to just straight up copy things I heard streamers say when I was learning tank

comms are useful

[chilly brook]

Ask me about cameras, premiere pro and audio and I got you covered though

[patent osprey]

I might take you up on that offer 😉

[undone jacinth]

how long did it take you to get the basics of editing

[sick sentinel]

just put any basic stock music and your set

[chilly brook]

Not super long, I dabbled in it in HS but probably like a few days of class

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Editing is honestly a lot of trial error and just getting a feel

[undone jacinth]

I’d like to do a welcome to wow, you suck series

it was insane how helpful that was in Dota

dunno if the same thing exists here

[jagged pier]

i thought of doing all thoughs things but im lazy

[undone jacinth]

Dratnos does a lot of that style of video but it’s probably a step above what I think most players struggle with

[chilly brook]

You'd honestly likely just need to know your way around the cut tool which is ez pz and then just some basic keying for audio balance and some text which is again pretty easy. Premiere is great. Theres also davinci resolve which is free but I've not really used it

[jagged pier]

sounds like effort to me

[undone jacinth]

Don’t mind paying, just looking for simplicity

I draw/write a fair bit etc so have been looking of ways to translate that to videos as well

animation is difficult 😦

[chilly brook]

Animation takes a lot of time

Doing video work is a lot of fun though

[strong forum]

I've been told to mute my audio in videos

Because of very "unknown" reasons

[chilly brook]

Take what you see in comments with a grain of salt

Gonna sound snobbish

But a lot of people think they know what good audio or video is

[strong forum]

If there are no gamer words or excessive screaming, I shant mute

DW

[jagged pier]

yer my keys are generally me shouting at pugs for not doing stuff right

and if i do them with the guild

nah cant have audio XD

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

would stream as well but griff Nom sense and Plka will just make me look bad

[modern brook]

stream so i can support the boys 😦

[jagged pier]

might do some scuff keys tomorrow

but will see not that keys are hard this week

just I feel like if i do more than 4 i need to go for 10

[patent osprey]

did a 19 mists yesterday and a 18 halls. Those a still pretty chill keys this week

[uneven mason]

My goal this week is to get 10 keys in

Also, I got my first loot from a M+ lastnight

[modern brook]

Im pushing for my master i have to do SD ToP and SoA still

[uneven mason]

entire Xpac

first loot

[modern brook]

so this is the week for it, /s

[uneven mason]

it was from SD

[patent osprey]

something like theatre on the first boss is a bit rough on higher keys

[uneven mason]

picked up a loving

[jagged pier]

yer see i just pug 15s and am happy with that

[modern brook]

Theatre tyranical is just a sad time

[jagged pier]

19s are out of my reach

[modern brook]

Theatre bolstering is a doubley sad time

[jagged pier]

its not too bad ive timed 2x15s ToP this week

[modern brook]

I've been pugging the keys tbh

[jagged pier]

same

[patent osprey]

yeah 15s are ok. Just hard to get that reset for necrotic on first boss on high tyran

[modern brook]

❤️ good

[patent osprey]

I have leap + door of shadows

[modern brook]

I' actually have more 17s than 15s done

[patent osprey]

to get a reset, but only can do that once a minute

[modern brook]

the problem ive found more than anything is getting into a key lol

[jagged pier]

i had it worst in my run yesterday they kept interupting the adds

not the adds

the casters

and didnt kill the MS guy

[uneven mason]

lol

"Can plz kill dude which is an actual threat"
"NO WE FIRST PUG DPS IN HISTORY TO FIND KICK BUTTON!"

[jagged pier]

^^

like the fight was so long

[uneven mason]

/makesflipperhandedslapsonkeyboard

[jagged pier]

i think i used pot at like 45 stacks or somthing

then just leaped around

[patent osprey]

Imagine having pot T_T

what a life it must be

on necrotic

[jagged pier]

its a nice one

expect in the run i just did I used it twice

to reset stacks in the whole run

but i guess at your lvl of keys would be more useful

[patent osprey]

i just use brez as a cd

instead

😉

[jagged pier]

that is a good idea tbh

[patent osprey]

brez into aoe taunt

ez

[uneven mason]

400 IQ answer to necrotic

🖕 kiting

[jagged pier]

yer fuk kiting

that why i only kite gargons now

[uneven mason]

HPal "Shouldn't you kite at 30 stacks?"
"shouldn't you DPS harder when you can't heal me?"

[jagged pier]

generally didnt reach 30 stacks in that run

[chilly brook]

Well today is gonna suck

I'm gonna be drenched

Fml

Already banged my head

[uneven mason]

🤘Health?

got that stuck in my head now.

[undone jacinth]

had 87 stacks on my bear

healer still trying to heal me

lol

[uneven mason]

I'll never forget the first time I heard that on LP

[sick sentinel]

pvp vendor says i need renown 7 to upgrade gear but im at renown 15

what gives

[uneven mason]

what ilvl to what ilvl?

[jagged pier]

if your trying to upgrade conquest gear you need rating, and also the cap of honor gear is 197

[sick sentinel]

171 to whatever the next one is

[undone jacinth]

maybe you have to hand in the quest you get from your sanctum for pvp rated gear?

not sure

[solemn magnet]

There is a quest to talk to the vendor dude, if you missed that

[sick sentinel]

yea its the stupid quest

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason just got back inside from cleaning off all the branches and shit from the storm and I'm getting emails about whether things will edited in time for the show

[solar spear]

hey guys ive been asked to tank instead of dps raids by by GM, but ive only really tanked m+ seriously, how steep is the learning curve for tanking mythic compared to dps?

[chilly brook]

Mythic raiding is easy as a tank

If you can tank m+ you can fo mythic raid

[uneven mason]

hardest part is not falling asleep

[chilly brook]

^lol

[uneven mason]

Although Denathrius has enough interaction to be fun.

Stone legion can if you have some flipperhands who like to put glave across your face

[mellow patio]

The boss that is omega annoying is mythic darkvein

[snow harbor]

Lmao flipperhands

[uneven mason]

tape all of your fingers together and then play

[mellow patio]

GOOD LUCK distinguishing what is what that is just all red

[snow harbor]

Hahahaha. Amazing

[uneven mason]

I'm 90% sure that is what my DPS are doing

or playing with mittens on

[snow harbor]

I think you are correct

[solar spear]

alright thanks il go for it then

[snow harbor]

Tell him you're a big strong arms warrior ain't need no man

[deft bridge]

or kaal stacks on you for no reason

[uneven mason]

tell him your DPS should increase now that you're prot

[snow harbor]

Lmao

[silver trout]

LOL

[uneven mason]

Darkvein on any difficulty is like that.

[solar spear]

hahaha

[uneven mason]

The # of times my melee die because the orb spawns in the big adds taint

and the anima webs put the DOT on before they're visible

[snow harbor]

I have a serious question for tanking m+. How bout seismic leggo + best served cold? It sims like.... considerably high aoe damage. But has anyone given it a go?

[uneven mason]

no

[snow harbor]

I guess if one never pushes ignore pain or shield block then one could spam revenge and do damage. But this is never the case

[deft bridge]

using defensives is for cowards you have a healer for a reason

[snow harbor]

Sad. Seems like a nice and good combo if defensives could still be used

Ahahah

[uneven mason]

Found the monk

[sick sentinel]

I feel like BV paired with Avatar deals more damage than any amount of extra Revenge casts at 40%

[snow harbor]

Mmmmmm idk. That sim doh

[uneven mason]

40 rage

[sick sentinel]

^^

[deft bridge]

i mean if you're planning your m+ build for dps you're already missing

[snow harbor]

Ahah fair fair fair

[uneven mason]

Think of it this way

[deft bridge]

leaper best leggo leggend

[uneven mason]

If you take BV, you're getting 2 free revenges at full damage which is equal to FIVE CASTS of the lego!

[snow harbor]

That way you can run away crying much better

[uneven mason]

Leaper is 4 W S G

[sick sentinel]

If you pair leap leggo with Dragon Charge, you can knock enemies off the map, killing them fast

just remember to have Warmode on

[uneven mason]

Dragon Charge, the only reason why I can make myself enjoy EoTS

"Oh your on the flag" HAHAHAHA

[snow harbor]

This is truuuue. I feel like... hmm. What am I saying. If you super over gear the content I think that seismic and served cold has some real nice and good damage potential. If you never push ignore pain or shield block xD

[sick sentinel]

yeah, like farming old dungeons

[snow harbor]

Ack hahah

[deft bridge]

ah yes, i too like farming ragefire chasm on retail

[modern brook]

gotta get those 5 poly xmogs

[deft bridge]

make sure to bring a mage so he can poly 1 enemy off each pack to make pulls easier

Ok actually please start doing that on retail mages why is it not done more

[foggy vapor]

How tanky would u guys rate prot warr atm? If shield block is up prot is quite tanky because most of the dmg in dungeon/raid is physical right?

[patent osprey]

I would rate them pretty high on tankiness, especially against physical damage. Probably top 3 for pure tankiness

[blazing condor]

i feel like if you got SB/SW up youre pretty darn tanky

but as soon as theyre down its pretty shit

[signal plover]

A tank isn't tanky when their mitigation isn't active? What a surprise...

[blazing condor]

well there would still be difference in tankiness

between classes

[lavish oracle]

I think prot is one of the tankier tanks outside mitigation, tbh

[signal plover]

^

[feral gale]

Problem being others can fill their gaps with a a self heal and we rely on our healers to know the mit is down

[lavish oracle]

Our base armor is absurd with Vanguard

[signal plover]

Self healing is a part of other tank class mitigation toolkits

[foggy vapor]

ok currently im bdk but iwanna reroll to prot or guardian biggest issue i have with bdk is how squishy bdk feels atm vs all sorts of content i guess even with mitigation prot is still tankier then bdk

[signal plover]

All tanks need healing

[strong forum]

alot of it

during CDs less, with CDs down you kite cuz game is shit

[feral gale]

Just saying all the others can self top and we cannot hence reliant on healer more. IP is a decent filler of course

[strong forum]

but without CDs up prot war is the tankiest tank next to maybe monk cuz they dont really have CDs

but thats not saying much

[feral gale]

It feels like a haste issue right now. We have a lot of hasted cooldowns including shield block.

[strong forum]

"self topping" doesnt help when you get smacked right down the global after

pwar drops slowly in HP(unless you fuck up), when others HP bars are ping pong bars

so theres the balance between self healing vs not self healing

same outcome

just not as obvious

[signal plover]

On pwarr I can basically tell you that I'm gonna be in danger of dying like 5-7 secs before it happens

"you" being healers

[strong forum]

for example i hate playing self healing tanks cuz i feel uncomfortable when i take big hits cuz im used to never losing HP as pwar

its a very unusual thing to just lose 60%+ of your HP as warrior in a few hits

you take more like 5% maybe 10%

[uneven mason]

Warriors are preemptive in our tanking, you know you've doomed yourself long before your death occurs

[strong forum]

yea

[uneven mason]

And the true key is

that when you see how flubbed you are

you scream PAIN SUPRESSION

[signal plover]

I actually think the "self healing reactive tanks vs reactive mitigation tanks" argument is rly dated because no tanks are self sufficient atm. I think we're at a point where player comfort level on a class is the key factor to tank performance (until you hit a point in infinitely scaling content where a specific toolkit is needed)

[strong forum]

absolutely

bring the player, not the class

[uneven mason]

Funny they finally got tank balance right this Xpac (more or less)

[strong forum]

thats INCREDIBLY vital when playing tanks

[uneven mason]

and DPS balance is fucked

[feral gale]

Hold on though it’s a different experience in raid vs keys

[uneven mason]

worse than its ever been

[patent osprey]

See I don't like saying Tankiest because we would be #1 or #2 in physcial damage prevention (Maybe bear #1) but our Magic Mitigation is pretty abysmal

[strong forum]

raid everything is viable

[feral gale]

Depends on your context here

[patent osprey]

so like i think it pushes us down to #3 tankiest

[strong forum]

overall yes

but without any CDs up, vs regular dmg damage pwar is pretty solid with IP alone ( but thats a retarded metric that HOLDS NO VALUE )

as i said just below that

[uneven mason]

we're certinaly above bear

for physical mit

[signal plover]

I don't have any issues in raid unless mechanics/raid is scuffed and I'm either covering for my own or someone else's mistakes

[uneven mason]

rather, for blockable physical mit

bear is 75% mit, 25% healing (its not all self)

we're just mit

[feral gale]

Yeah raid I have zero complaints actually. Keys are another story, and it’s a bit untrue to say there are tanks who are not self sufficient in keys. There is a reason we are not in the top 100 for tanks on rio

[strong forum]

in raid you cover your weaknesses with externals, tank swaps, and playing to each others strengths, in high high high m+ underlying issues become more clear

[strong forum]

its not because of self sufficiency...

[undone jacinth]

m+ you need a more sustained way of tanking

[strong forum]

there are other factors at hand

[undone jacinth]

if you have any downtime its bad

warrior with no block is a sad story

[strong forum]

i mean, every tank has gaps

[signal plover]

Sorry I should have clarified that I meant self sufficient in a self-healing regard, not in a "tool kit allows em to hold threat while being 100yds away" regard

[undone jacinth]

some have far less though

[foggy vapor]

Ok yea i see the thing is as bdk u just dont feel tanky at all i mean yea u can heal yourself pretty much alone but meh if u take like 30-40% with one hit(in raid) it just doesnt feel like your a tank
i heard prot warr and bear are the "facetanks" atm thats why i want to reroll because i wanna feel tanky again :d

[undone jacinth]

and the difference is far greater

bear pretty much always has something going on defensively

[uneven mason]

So case in point, my Pwar can face tank a pack with necrotic +12, and my HP drop so slowly that I'll be at 49stacks and the pull ends, and I'm not dead.
The Bear in my guild tanked a 10, and if he wasn't booking / vortexing around stack 35 he was in serious trouble.

[strong forum]

ye i barely kite in my keys unless its for a specific mechanic

often you dont need to kite out necrotic stacks at all for example

cuz the pack dies before you do

[uneven mason]

We're not in the meta because we can't hold aggro while running away

[feral gale]

Yeah it’s a kite meta

[uneven mason]

Its literally DPS during CDs - running away while dealing damage

[undone jacinth]

well yea thats why arbitrary tiers and stuff dont really work

if ur dps are just overgearing 15s

[uneven mason]

VDH/PAL/BDK can all do these things

[undone jacinth]

then nothing matters

[uneven mason]

it has 0 to do with self sustain or actual tankyness

[mellow patio]

BDK

[uneven mason]

well maybe not BDK

that D&D is pretyt nice tho

for a snare

[strong forum]

tank meta is a meme currently, its 80% dps and healers, 20% tank CDs i feel like

for higher keys

imo

if you dont have CDs, well you dont tank

[uneven mason]

But yeah, Prot war can pop CDs and facetank bigass pulls, but our DPS is so low (even without needing to choose between DPS or survival) that we just cna't finish the pull ot

who wants to stand there for 2min between pulls

while bolster comes back up

[strong forum]

"ravager grants 8 seconds of shieldblock"

now thats a talent

and totally not just Demonic but pwar

[uneven mason]

yeah Nom you know

if they put anything on ravager

we'd see that aura mod damage % -80

show back up again

and it'd be a meme once more

[mellow patio]

Conduit that each time ravager deals damage it extends SB

Hire me blizzard

[strong forum]

pls

ravager is a talent

[patent osprey]

no that change would be really bad. then you would have to choose to use ravager for rage or survival

[strong forum]

i mean just use it on pull

[patent osprey]

u wouldn't want to use ravagee on pull for threat

[strong forum]

every time

use 1 SB charge

[patent osprey]

u would want to use it to fill gaps in sb

[blazing condor]

would you boys say Bolster or HR for sludge? never played HR so dont know in practice how good it is

[strong forum]

AM

[undone jacinth]

naw you would use it like bear uses bark

on pull

every time

[uneven mason]

AM

[strong forum]

you would always use Ravager on pull +1 SB Charge Plka

[mellow patio]

Use sb to fill gaps in ravager

[undone jacinth]

to reduce the number of SBs you need to cast

[uneven mason]

I tried HR

for 1 pull

[strong forum]

so you get CD rolling on both

[uneven mason]

sub 30% you want blocccckk

[strong forum]

for max rage and max SB uptime

ykno

[undone jacinth]

yea

AGREE

this talent idea here has solved the puzzle

[strong forum]

by the time your SB runs out, you will have 2 charges again

[undone jacinth]

phone Ion

[strong forum]

and by the time those2 charges run out, ravager is almost ready again

[uneven mason]

TFW that legendary that gave Revenge a chance to reset a charge of SB

[strong forum]

and or / use bolster

[uneven mason]

that idn't get put in

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[undone jacinth]

it was a conduit

[strong forum]

legit this change would result in close to 100% block uptime

[undone jacinth]

even better

[strong forum]

my god

[uneven mason]

true

[patent osprey]

just give me more damage and my prot war will feel fine

[strong forum]

also this

but also Plka, consider Kyrian

😄

[blazing condor]

:p

aoe damage is pretty good

[patent osprey]

no :) I don't want my dam from the cov

I wanna play necro

[strong forum]

OOF

[patent osprey]

:)

[strong forum]

yeah okay

thats just.

okay

😄

[undone jacinth]

DO IT

imagine all the ppl coming in here

uhh guys is necrolord good now?

I saw on rio..

[mellow patio]

Kekrolord

[patent osprey]

on my stream ill say i did it to piss nom and griff off

ultimate troll

[silent grove]

i went necrolord

bannerboi gang gang

[undone jacinth]

I would switch mains to war if I went necro probably but then I would get booted from my raid

[strong forum]

[silent grove]

but im not pushing high keys

so idgaf

[mellow patio]

Pushing keys suckssssssss this tier

Sucks big nuts

[undone jacinth]

3 boomkins in a row with trees

[blazing condor]

ez

[undone jacinth]

ppl are learning

[blazing condor]

off tanking in your own m+

[undone jacinth]

feels good

[mellow patio]

Boomkin uses trees and turns large cleave towards group

Key bricked

[undone jacinth]

I did a 30k full moon as bear

[mellow patio]

Now that is a good meme

[undone jacinth]

never seen numbers like that in my life

[blazing condor]

got extremely lucky today in CN

managed to get one piece of loot 🙂

[strong forum]

sick

i forgot to swap away from prot lootspec and got huntsman trinket

[uneven mason]

Kill some DPS with it

Just leash a DPS on sluldge and don't hit block

[strong forum]

aint seeing sludge for a good few weeks

also, all you have to do is just do a fancy step back

[sweet summit]

sludge is fine once you learn you can charge

[strong forum]

and a melee will also flop

[sick sentinel]

i'm set for prot but often times see 2h reward from WQ

[uneven mason]

WQ cares nothing for your loot spec

[undone jacinth]

my WQs offering me a 168 trinket

blizz taking the piss

[uneven mason]

they cap at 184 (I think)

so its really a hugely moot point

[undone jacinth]

yea just seems like you shouldnt be offered below 184

after a certain ilvl

theres a trinket or two I'd like for other specs

[chilly brook]

Jokes on you maybe the real troll is getting you to say that in the first place

[strong forum]

We just don't want him to find out

How broken necro is

Its the sleeper OP

[uneven mason]

Swapping ot necro tonight

cuz I'm a rebel

[strong forum]

Boost is playing it for Super secret strats that the world just isn't ready to see yet

He's hiding it super well behind his blue parses

[uneven mason]

it only works on 2 group memebers

and it has to be group members right?

time to buff my Feral druids DPS

[blazing condor]

someone's gotta press those banners

[jagged pier]

nah dude hes got a pink

[uneven mason]

I mean, Banner can boost your str by 27%

on top of the crit

[jagged pier]

true

but its not giving the parses

he needs

[uneven mason]

nope

its also

a 3min CD

[jagged pier]

once a fight

[uneven mason]

I'd probably suck it up and be Necrolord for Xmog

[jagged pier]

[uneven mason]

if banner wasn't a 3min CD

course I'm hooked on soulshape

[jagged pier]

i really like spear and potion tbh

but i will lvl my other warriors

to try them all again

[uneven mason]

we get renown 30 next week yeah?

[jagged pier]

yus

[uneven mason]

Burrrrzzzzzzzz

[undone jacinth]

do banner stacks refresh the duration

or just overlap

[uneven mason]

the Glory buff?

hmm if it refreshed the duration

that'd be something

would be what like, 50seconds with increased crit?

[undone jacinth]

increased crit damage

yea

[uneven mason]

still would be kinda 🤮

cause 3min CD

[undone jacinth]

thought the str conduit was also part of the stacks

but its only while its placed

and only like 20%

still decent though

[undone jacinth]

oh so its fixed

[uneven mason]

so, glory stacks last 30s after banner poofs

[undone jacinth]

I mean

that would be pretty good

if it wasn't crit damage

if it was the crit or the str

[uneven mason]

if it was raw str from banner and then conduits on top of it

and it lasted 50s

Thats how to fix necrolord right, give us 57% strength for 1 minute every 3