for regular torghast
#protection
chilly brook
Theres only two real classes I enjoy it on. Monk and warrior tbh
All the rest I've done it on are just meh
mighty valley
uneven mason
is it just me or are mobs leashing faster now?
patent osprey
I heard pally is lit
chilly brook
like they only follow me for a little bit before turning around
Yes
uneven mason
big angry
chilly brook
It messes with my big boi pulls
But then again just get an overzealous hunter to MD you while jumping around with the jump power
uneven mason
like I hit soulshape and jog as far as I can go in and then find a corner to group em up, and 5 mobs show up
chilly brook
Yea
uneven mason
everything else just goes back
uneven mason
considering of just making a 190 leaper and speed running it if thats the case
literally don't need powers to beat the bosses as prot
undone jacinth
I heard pally is lit
this applies inside and outside of torg xd
chilly brook
Torghast as rogue is ass
chilly brook
this applies inside and outside of torg xd
Hey do you convoke in boomie or cat as feral
uneven mason
torghast as a DPS in general is garbage
undone jacinth
cat
some theory mongos think you should boomie convoke at like 6+ mobs or whatever due to starfall
but it's just trolling imo
chilly brook
Huh
undone jacinth
? o.O
undone jacinth
cat convoke is just as insane as boomie if not better
but boomkin can high roll full moon
chilly brook
Idk I was looking it up and things have been saying in dungeons boomie it
Raids do it in cat
Just curious
undone jacinth
yeah because people think 5+ targets is better as boomkin
but its just small brain
it might be true in a vacuum
but you also get combo points and bloodtalon procs etc from cat convoking
so I generally prefer it
chilly brook
HotW seems like it's just being used as a moon/sunfire damage boost
uneven mason
if you're specced into that 5hit jazz as a cat, its burst is nutters
undone jacinth
on single target you have to owl weave with hotw for max damage yea
and on aoe too really but its more complicated
uneven mason
so every other convoke you owlweave?
undone jacinth
not in raid no
uneven mason
erm wait whats HoTw 5min?
undone jacinth
yea
undone jacinth
its hotw then starsurge - sunfire - cat form
uneven mason
ah
undone jacinth
hotw gives u instant starsurge
uneven mason
OP
undone jacinth
outside of hotw you also owl weave for just sunfire
when ur resource starved basically
uneven mason
so finisher - owl - sunfire - cat 4 combo
or do you not drop combo points when swapping anymore>
undone jacinth
you dont drop cp
uneven mason
(cataclysm was my last attempt at feral)
jagged pier
🤔
undone jacinth
but you would do the finisher first because ur only owl weaving due to being empty on energy and cp
if youve got cp or energy u shudnt be weaving
undone jacinth
but the way feral works is basically a pooling spec, so you have to wait for your buttons sometimes, so its natural to owl weave
undone jacinth
should be a way to add tertiary stats
strong forum
Vers LEECH
strong forum
should be a way to add tertiary stats
Sockets are tertiary 
jagged pier
can put a socket on it 🤔
undone jacinth
secondary dumbo
strong forum
Don't use it jackey...
undone jacinth
put a socket on your socket
jagged pier
nah im probs gunna use it for arms in pvp or somthing
strong forum
The only use this ring has is pvp or to be sold
uneven mason
Use it
strong forum
Sell it
uneven mason
uuuussse it
Be the first
we'll remember when leech stackng comes back
you were the vanguard
strong forum
More like
jagged pier
leech stacking??? im in
strong forum
450
strong forum
My 226 weppy has 30
undone jacinth
avg 35 = 560
strong forum
You always assume the worst amount to get the best results
undone jacinth
even if we say 500 thats 23% leech
modern brook
Ur not counting the back enchant
modern brook
Ezpz
undone jacinth
wait isnt there a trinket that gives leech
in the active
or is that speed im thinking of
modern brook
The problem with this is that it's less good than speed still 😬
strong forum
25%, with the low amount of dmg we do, it's not really great
And in moments we deal the most dmg, we're tanky enough anyway
strong forum
I know how to make pala good
undone jacinth
it gives a good feeling on the meters
strong forum
With 1 shiny button
glass vector
Hey guys, do you think it's worth replacing one of my old rings?
uneven mason
wtf mastery gem
glass vector
Dont look at the mastery gem tho
strong forum
Also get the proper enchant
undone jacinth
that mastery gem makes me very happy
strong forum
16 stats is proper enchant, not 12
jagged pier
12 haste enchant 
strong forum
Unless im omega sperging
modern brook
Ur not
undone jacinth
vocal carbon
Friends, I require opinion.
I am heroic raiding warrior, piss about in the 10-15 range of m+ a bit so nothing stressful.
I got a 213 BOE with a socket from our clear tonight. 38 Crit / 115 Vers Current rings are 203 114 haste/ 63 vers and 39 Cirt / 133 haste.
Equip or sell?
strong forum
Sell
modern brook
Sell
jagged pier
equip for pvp
strong forum
Sell
vocal carbon
o7
modern brook
Tmog also fine
strong forum
Woah there
modern brook
Spend it on me erga :)
vocal carbon
I only have 11% vers and it hurts my soul
strong forum
Subscribe to my OF with your gold
modern brook
Boomeratur of 👀
strong forum
Gotta go fast
strong forum
Vers is irrelevant outside of omega keys, and maybe even then it's not the best thing to stack
vocal carbon
yeah I have 24% haste. and my flying monkeys are giving me max ITtF
vocal carbon
glorious
modern brook
Is itf a modifier or flat %
strong forum
All haste %increases are modifiers
sweet summit
something haste modifiers something other stats flat%
strong forum
You have 100 % haste baseline
If you have 0 haste, you have 100%
So yes, itf will give 10%
It's basically (100%+(your haste%))x1.10
sweet summit
not for haste
strong forum
Ye haste is modifier
chilly brook
Itf gets better the more haste we have
It's not just flat 10%
Can be more
Because of the modifier
strong forum
As I've maffd
chilly brook
At least that's how it was in BFA
strong forum
I'd imagine only for the raw SB uptime
chilly brook
Prolly
strong forum
Once you get really smacked out of your socks
chilly brook
Ravager still gonna be better for aoe damage likely
strong forum
And on demand rage
undone jacinth
is this message on wowanalyzer recommending I dont use it for my spec new for all
chilly brook
That being said
undone jacinth
or has feral just broken it
chilly brook
Itf actually doesnt feel bad in keys
strong forum
Not every wowa module is updated
Especially now that alot of writers have quit wowa
Since its now behind a pay wall
Or some services of it
chilly brook
Yikes
chilly brook
No because they likely don't get anything
undone jacinth
when you are out for one boss kill and you hear them say dps is too low
feelsgoodman
chilly brook
Iirc a lot of the people who did wowa profiles just did it for free
chilly brook
It'd be like IV putting portions of the guides behind a paywall
undone jacinth
I can't really disagree with it if they can't afford to maintain it without doing it
just a shame
undone jacinth
ah that sucks
undone jacinth
they generally rely on super high engagement though
I would think they thought about the ads vs premium model already
but maybe not
deft vessel
what's wowa again?
ionic fern
Eh, it is what it is. Most services like that are done by the community for "free"...e.g SIMC as well.
WoWAnalyzer
chilly brook
Yea but wowa could have just made some value added services and had that be the paid content
Like raidbots
undone jacinth
well raidbots you're paying for the removal of the delay
chilly brook
Nah
undone sun
the funny thing is, the payment thing is just a trap. as far as i know you can still use the timeline regardless
chilly brook
You pay for a lot tbh
undone sun
it's just a speedbump
chilly brook
More permutations etc.
undone jacinth
hmm
never found any need for it personally
the only thing that bugs me is waiting time on a raid night
undone sun
really just for larger sims, for a while most if not all of the TC communities had premium accounts for trinket sims and such
that's pre-bloodmallet
undone jacinth
yea just think that's not relevant for the average user
undone sun
probably
undone jacinth
doing all dungeons is decent but like
if you're a decent player you know all your best gear
chilly brook
Eh
Things change as you get different gear
Especially factoring in legendaries and talents
undone jacinth
I mean if I really need to find out what dungeon has an upgrade for me I just open 8 tabs lol
but its rare
chilly brook
Maybe I'm just thinking on the extreme
Like ret paladin where you have several different builds and several different good legendaries
undone jacinth
personally I've played like 10 classes and never found a need for it but even if there's value there, not quite sure what wowA could add that people would want
I've only ever used it for timeline and the main page
past roost
how is everyone liking Prot currently?
karmic scroll
strong forum
Pretty fun
Could be more fun with more damage / mitigation uptime
But for SL levels, pretty fun
eternal pilot
what conduits are other rageybois using
ive dropped shield wall cdr for shockwave cdr + rumbling earth and i think i like it more
strong forum
Spear+sw+ls+rally
lofty widget
im playin piercing, unnerving, show of force and SW cdr
lofty widget
imp retty sure a 20 sec shockwave cd messes with the dr on your entire groups stuns
undone jacinth
any SW does
I try to avoid casting it
only really use it if I am with a bad group or to line up SR
strong forum
I'm 90% of the time the only person using stuns in my group cuz lmao firemage + elesham
The only stuns we have are random incaps thrown by the rsham
strong forum
Many monks?
lofty widget
or rogues
lofty widget
6 sec kidney over a 1 sec shockwave any day
strong forum
Who wants rogues in 2021
Yikes
I'd rather pick a hunter, even if they suck they deal dmg
Unlike monks or rogues
undone jacinth
I find every m+ pug I ever join has a monk these days
maybe they are following me
hoj is 6 seconds also which is kinda nuts
and ret has that aoe 5 second stun or whatever it is
strong forum
Idk haven't seen any rets
lofty widget
actually true
lofty widget
im pushing with ret and they are so underrated
lofty widget
pre-freedom in plaguefall is so nice for that 65 % slow
lofty widget
yep
undone jacinth
so good
but theres just spots like sanguine depths the big guys chain, immune to that too
undone jacinth
and whenever theres puddles on the ground its so nice to just run through them without slow
also nice to bop whichever one of your group does 100k dps burst
undone jacinth
yet to see any priest do even remotely good damage
lofty widget
218
chilly brook
im pushing with ret and they are so underrated
Ret is pretty underrated
cedar nimbus
I got a question and I need to know if I’m ass or what. So my buddy’s a 206 Havoc DH and ive been gearing my prot warrior. Got him to 188 in 2 days and every time I do a dungeon with my DH buddy he pulls threat off EVERYTHING in like 2 seconds.
Am I fucking up my opener? Is havoc busted? Is prot THAT busted for threat gen?
Can’t tell if it’s his Kyrian decree or what it is that he does that is making every pull chaos.
But I don’t have this problem with any other class, even other DHs are fine.
lusty marsh
My dh buddy pulled threat off me all the time early on.
The double beam just pulls so much threat
I ended up using ravager pre pull when I knew he had it up followed by spear.
Was definitely sloppy.
silver trout
yep, really he should be chilling for a gcs or two to let you get initial threat before going bananas
lofty widget
https://pastebin.com/wBJgz1Zq can try this, that skips g17 but works super well
amber sedge
What conduits are people using for raid?
tardy sequoia
What conduits are people using for raid?
amber sedge
Thanks. I just got 226 of the ignore pain one (Brutal Viality). Worth using over a 200 of the Last Stand one or nah?
undone jacinth
probs not
anyone ever compare your log to someone and they are just critting 20% more than you on every spell even though you have more crit than them? :X
lofty widget
ocarina?
undone jacinth
no idea
lofty widget
idk that sounds weird
undone jacinth
the top feral druid
critting 30% more of his shreds
and 10% more of his bites
even though I have 100 more crit lol
polar radish
197 scale or 207 sanguine vintage? my other trinket is 223 anima field emitter
patent osprey
197 is better cause it actually does damage but vintage would be better for survivability
but in m+ typically damage is better
cerulean tusk
Yo boyos, got a kinda late call that I am going to tank Sire HC. Mind shareing me some of yer tips and tricks for the fight?
thin nexus
<@!689959648576798792> https://pastebin.com/djyQnVSS
THANK YOU!
polar radish
dont die
sick sentinel
should i quit cow life and become sexy elf man instead
thin nexus
<@!689959648576798792> https://pastebin.com/djyQnVSS
says it's a private paste
sick sentinel
so tired of look at ugly cow man every day
cerulean tusk
P1, P2, seems quite easy to handle. P3, to survive shatter, I might want to rotate CDs, not sure exactly how to do so optimally.
sick sentinel
or, could go undead for memes
chilly brook
P1, P2, seems quite easy to handle. P3, to survive shatter, I might want to rota...
Just block
And spell reflect
Should be fine as long as you dont have a bunch of stacks
cerulean tusk
Aighty, if that is all thought that is needed - it should be guchi
sour phoenix
Who is all horde on here
sour phoenix
lol why is that? my dwarf has a 10% damage reduce 😛
well...for a few seconds. Thought it would be a good race to play prot because of that
sour phoenix
Stormrage theres a few
I mean im not hardcore, im casual we raid saturday nights, but i'll pick up a few pugs here and there. Transffered my Druid to be horde though, because i see a lot more horde raiders than alliance.
patent osprey
THANK YOU!
what 😮 its public on mine
thin nexus
maybe i need to log in ? not sure 😛
chilly brook
There are some good guilds on alliance
undone jacinth
but theres way more on horde is the issue
chilly brook
Its just not a great place to be in if you're not a good player already tbh
If you're a good player you can usually nab a spot in a good guild if prog is all you care about in an alliance guild
chilly brook
But if you're an average player, alliance isn't a great place to be unless you pvp
chilly brook
Because your recruiting pool for your average guild is bad
undone jacinth
I have all good logs, good history etc and I had about 50 guilds to apply for on horde and like 2-5 on alliance for the servers I was on
chilly brook
if you're a good player you still have 3-5x the options
I guess, I mean the CE options I had before I got into the guild I'm in now were alliance
But that's from a tank perspective
Not a dps
undone jacinth
have never looked for a guild as tank
always seemed like why would anyone need a tank
xd
I just end up tanking when one guy ends up hating it enough
loud badger
Hey guys, is there a good prot youtube guide anybody can recommend?
chilly brook
Probably not
patent osprey
Hey guys, is there a good prot youtube guide anybody can recommend?
Hello Nyceyo, what are you specifically looking for?
sour phoenix
Ive learned the most by experience. and failing. and learning to tank
you can only watch so much, but you need to put it into practice 🙂 there are some great resources out there!
thin nexus
<@!689959648576798792> https://pastebin.com/JrZF8J6k
Thanks that one worked
sour phoenix
Also question - where can i grab a better neck piece other than huntsman
undone jacinth
stairway to heaven
sour phoenix
one more to go
sour phoenix
lol 2 in 1
sour phoenix
go get your sword 😛
sour phoenix
how much are the mats?
neat dirge
8k each bar
sour phoenix
wow
neat dirge
i just spend 350k on Blackrock bulwark
sour phoenix
they arent really that hard to farm
neat dirge
so me no moni for that
ill just #nolife in silithus for a couple of days
dont worry my life is fucking garbage anyways 🙂
sour phoenix
what server are you on
neat dirge
Stormreaver-Eu
sour phoenix
ahhh
neat dirge
i wouldnt accept any money or help anyways
sour phoenix
dont say your life is garbage!
neat dirge
bruh depression for like
its part of me now
over atleast 7 years everyday depression, anxiety
sleep dreprived, i learned to live with it
sour phoenix
ouch, sorry to hear that. thats rough
neat dirge
dont worry
i got good friends
helps alot
this also helps me, i cant sleep anyways so ill just spend that time mining
sour phoenix
watch studens gold farming videos 😛
sour phoenix
if you have high enough ilvl you can join a mythic boe farming group in Castle Nathria. Ive made at least 1.5 mil so far 😛
sour phoenix
there you go 😛
sour phoenix
where does one do that? lol
neat dirge
👀
sour phoenix
👀
undone jacinth
I used to go to the island off of jade forest and farm turtles for 3 hours a night
those were the days
quasi dove
So if I focus mainly crit and haste will that give me the most dmg gains?
undone jacinth
mastery is the biggest dmg stat
but its not really something you wanna optimise for
dull zodiac
can best served cold or dragon roar ever compete with boomin voice?
undone jacinth
Only played it at the end of mop so never really got in to it
it was a cool place but it was my first exp of modern wow since vanilla and it seemed way over crowded
I miss big areas with like 5 mobs in
that forest area north of the barrens is perfect
fringe marten
Wooo...I guess it does happen. There is actual loot from the raid.
Got mythic Gluttonous spike
astral crystal
rip
sick sentinel
how to brick your key 101
get knocked off ledge by purpy boy (de other side), twice, and bolster the dragon in faerie zone
cinder nova
Is there a fucking way to avoid getting clipped by Wicked Blades?
I'm standing on the very edge of Kaal's hitbox and getting hit by both bounces and it's unfuriating.
Feels like RNG
sand torrent
I got bullied for playing prot warri
viral barn
gluttonous spike. everyone says it sims terribly and not use on guides. but in m+ this thing doin lik 3% of my dmg. that seems good no?
sick sentinel
oh look its 8.0 all over again prot warrior is trash tier garbage
craggy harness
Protection Paladins blocking Giant Fists should now trigger the damage component of Holy Shield (Talent).
Does that mean prot war should get rage from giant fists soon too?
or do we already
soft kindle
oh look its 8.0 all over again prot warrior is trash tier garbage
it's not though.
fresh wind
could you elaborate methuselah
sick sentinel
All that I was saying 8.0 same exact reaction to pw
cinder nova
How are the melee clipping me with Kaal's blade.
None of them but the blade targets are getting it.
sick sentinel
Get bullied told your bad delete your char and 8.3 pw was only tank maybe monk
nimble drift
timed my 1st 15 today
ToP
+2 that shit
actually was so easy if you do bolster properly
nimble drift
i'd take the viscera over the darkmoon deck
sand obsidian
That's what I was thinking. Vers is nice on the ring, but don't want to lose haste
nimble drift
whats ur haste at
sand obsidian
Currently not on the warrior but I htink its anywhere between 12-14%
Only 195 ilvl
Nevermind, haste is 15.7%
nimble drift
ya rings are some of my lowest pieces tbh
tacit smelt
has anyone here who killed Mythic Sun King using Shattering Throwing during his bubble burn?
sand torrent
do i go for anger management with the demoshout legendary ?
nimble drift
and take the last stand rage conduit instead of the revenge potency one
depends on what for
your legendary doesn't really change what talents you do anyways
The Wall for Raid and usable to a decent level in m+
TL for M+
In short, if you're in a high m+ and you have demoshout legendary, you should still go bolster. If you're in raid you shouldn't even be using that legendary
sand torrent
na i just wanna play m+ with my prot
nimble drift
okay then na still go bolster
sand torrent
okay thank you
sand obsidian
pretty sure pika likes The Wall for m+, hes highest ranked prot warr for m+ right now
shell fox
tanked generals for the first time at heroic
14 wipes and killed
prot is good af
proud to be part of a true tank team
signal plover
has anyone here who killed Mythic Sun King using Shattering Throwing during his ...
Yeh. Works like a charm. I use on 1st and 4th dps shields.
high folio
pugging in to keys as a warrior is so fucking annoying
meta hugging bitch bois only want brew or veng
fresh wind
well yeah because they're better and its a pug so you want the best possible because you don't know the player
also prot warrs are bottom tier at pretty much everything
signal plover
Kek
fringe marten
Sunking dead... ..no heart of alar.
dull zodiac
so what does block do on shields?
i upgraded shield +200 block
but block chance stayed same
what am i missing
;p
fringe marten
It's not block chance.
it's the amount of damage it filters.
Hover over "Block" in your character page
sand obsidian
so as prot our shield is more important than our 1h, yeah?
fringe marten
Right. Top number says "Block chance" but the real value, is the number underneath.
Mastery does slightly and...?
I think STR does.
STR gives parry and block I believe but in very small amounts. It's so those defensive stats scale with base 'gear' itemization.
dull zodiac
o
fringe marten
But yes, Mastery is responsible for most of your passive block 'chance' and Crit is responsible for most of your Parry %
But passive block chance is very unimportant.
Sure it's nice but how you play prot warrior heavily revolves around using your active mitigation, which is Shield Block and Ignore pain. Managing the ability "shield block" effectively is a huge huge part of prot warrior.
You're never going to 'rely' on your random block chance as your defense.
dull zodiac
yea
im trying to use the google doc sheet on blocking and reflecting atm
to help me learn where to shield block in dungeons
fringe marten
but sure, as a nice bonus as your str increases..IE your ilevel, you'll get some passive block and parry increases.
When you say dungeons; what content are you doing currently?
fringe marten
Something you're really going to want to use is either a WA or have a UI setup that allows you to monitor when you have block up, weather or not you have another charge ready, or how 'long' away another block charge is, and managing the rage to make sure you can cast it the moment you want/need it.
fringe marten
Yeah I use my own custom WA suite I made for myself..you don't 'have' to have WA"s or tell me whens or anything but they really help a lot.
You'll see the UI most higher end tanks use is either a heavy weak aura setup or a plater or custom UI setup where all their main abilities and cd's are all centralized on screen, so you're looking at all of it while you're manipulating your toon around.
If you're randomly just using shield block as 'much' as you can all the time; and not managing it as a resource you'll end up with large gaps in your active mitigation and start taking heavy damage. Especially if you're trying to push your way upward in key strength...M+ is honestly much nastier than even mythic raiding atm once you get into the mid teens on keys.
fringe marten
Another big tip you'll see from plenty of the tanks in here is; don't over mitigate. Meaning don't panic and blow like every cooldown to completely turtle up for 8 or 10 seconds...and then have absolutely nothing afterwards .
fringe marten
Even after you have a lot of experience as you push into 'new' territory...you usually get to learn some stuff the hard way.
dull zodiac
exactly
fringe marten
did a 16 HoA last week; went into a pull that I thought "ehh? should be ok I shouldn't need anything huge for this pull.." got clapped so fast made my head spin. "ok..guess I needed to ask for pain sup.."
dull zodiac
haha yea its a brutal meta for tanks atm
i did all my keys witha blood dk friend
poor guy
fringe marten
The sad thing is, it's not even so much about the 'difficulty' of it..sure the mobs are lethal. It's what it forces you to do.. Since the damage is capable of doing 15/17/19/20's..and healers can heal boss mechanics up through those key levels. We have to 'find' a way to make the tanking work up to that level (all tanks, not just prot) and the answer is... Don't play your character in the fashion that you wanted to.
dull zodiac
yea sounds similar to what my tank had to say aswell
fringe marten
Imagine if the best way to dps..for whatever reason, was to run your character into a corner, stare at a wall..and make sure your bags covered at least 70% of the screen.. and some bug in the game made you do 50% more damage that way. Would dps do it? yeah.. Are they going to have fun playing? No.
We will tank in whatever fashion we need to, to progress or do the content we wanna do. It's just crappy to DO it atm.
dull zodiac
aye
fringe marten
I'm just jazzed I got mythic hungering destroyers trinket. was using it through sunking tonight (finally killed him too) and that trink is actually damn good.
limpid pawn
hey
when you get 1800 RBG you can access the classic warlord armor right
as transmog?
or did they take that out of the game
mental scarab
Y you can
limpid pawn
you still need 1800 for it?
sweet summit
Ye but not in rbgs
limpid pawn
oh just any 1800 will let you get the mog?
limpid pawn
area 52 vendor?
errant oriole
so with the wall... is it better to run anger management vs bolster? im leaning towards anger management but just want to make sure
vestal moat
bolster always in high keys, particularly fortified
vestal moat
ohhhraid is a tougher call. depends on encounter.
Depends how often you are tanking.
errant oriole
oh ok
vestal moat
Sludgefist for example, i would take bolster.
u have to block everyuthing
and AM will still leave you gaps.
tidal island
Hey guys, new prot warriot question for you re Shield Block and Ignore Pain:
Should you be using them together or should you generally try to use IP to cover gaps for when SB is down?
sweet summit
Keep up SB as long as youre taking blockable damage
Compliment with IP to smooth the damage if needed
Dont spam IP too much you want to have enough rage for shield block, and some revenges
If youre taking heavy unblockable damage, youre in trouble and IP alone will not save you. so youd want Shield Wall/healer external ontop of IP or just kite if possible
tidal island
Hmmm so I should be stacking them if needed to help smooth out incoming damage, but otherwise I shouldn't be using IP if the damage doesn't require it so I can use the the rage for SB/revenge/execute? Makes sense
And your second comment is definitely true. Ive been using IP to help desk with unblockable damage but it doesn't do much. In mythics I suppose I'll need to communicate the need for an external plus my use of SW
Thanks for the guidance!
sweet summit
Yeah, just dont be too greedy with offensive spenders. Your top priority as a tank is still to survive!
orchid frigate
oh found a streamer doing pwar keys https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv
sweet summit
We love plka
remote dawn
leggy the wall on what spot? Shoulders or Cloack, i have good shoulder is the difference cloack shoulder much?
jagged pier
shoulders ideally
jagged pier
We love plka
well you venthyr bois have to stick together
remote dawn
shoulders ideally
yea, but is the difference much to the cloack?
jagged pier
more stats, easier to get better cloaks
jagged pier
sweet summit
chilly brook
What'd he say lmao
orchid frigate
skyhold pushing haste over vers, which he thought was fine since skyhold takes into account that no pwar is doing high keys
jagged pier
i mean he doesnt read this very much then as vers is mentioned to be very good in high keys all the time XD
pretty sure Nome mentioned it like 3 times yesterday
chilly brook
Well that's not really flaming
Most people wont benefit from vers over haste
Pretty sure we talked about this at one point
jagged pier
probably but we do talk about a lot shit tbh
and alot of the same thing it all melds together
chilly brook
Yea just saying pretty sure Plka talked about it and he even does the same for most people when they ask
jagged pier
it gives no defensive benfit
what so ever
its fine for low content
the moment you do anything higher .ie push keys
tawdry dirge
sounds like it brings back moe the bfa style
jagged pier
4 secs of bladesotrm isnt great
chilly brook
It doesnt
jagged pier
how?
tawdry dirge
oh sorry miss read
chilly brook
Literally no relation to BFA style
tawdry dirge
trhought it randomly casts avatar
chilly brook
No because avatar is the only thing that will proc it
jagged pier
it will never give you avatar
jagged pier
as it only procs off avatar for us
tawdry dirge
thanks thought i will get the thunerlord then
chilly brook
Because ravager doesnt proc it
patent osprey
skyhold pushing haste over vers, which he thought was fine since skyhold takes i...
IM NOT FLAMINGGGGGGGGGGGGG lol
I just said that was the stat weights i prefer for the content I was doing
T_T
❤️ Skyhold
jagged pier
XD
strong forum
We all know, preferences are illegal
twilit siren
Sin Stained Neck (207ilvl) or Charm of eternal (213ilvl)
strong forum
Sin stained
twilit siren
Sin stained
thanks
twilit siren
2.5% haste thats true
slim current
What trinkets you guys play in raids and mythic+?
jagged pier
herald and vintage for raid herald/hynmal and vintage for m+
strong forum
Scale + decanter for m+
Scale/anima emitter/Crystal + decanter for raid
last yacht
For Hungering Destroyer on mythic i know i need to help soak the Miasma, but how many stacks can i get away with? Is it just a personal call around survivability?
sweet summit
As a dps i am fine up to like 30. Havent tried any higher yet 👀
last yacht
Highest i went was like 10 stacks and it seemed fine. I just wasn’t sure
sweet summit
As long as everyone is helping you shouldnt need to go that high
Like 30 high i mean
10 is absolutely fine
last yacht
Alright thanks!
strong forum
Yea I don't go above 15-20
Actively tanking and taking 20 stacks hurts
But ~10 should be fine
blazing condor
is the darkmoon deck trinket good enough to use if you need some ilvl?
undone jacinth
doesn’t matter what you use if you’re that low ilvl really
I use it to get in to groups on alts
if you can afford the haste one then it’s better
weary quartz
For Hungering Destroyer on mythic i know i need to help soak the Miasma, but how...
Ideal is max 15
tardy sequoia
Guys 2 days ago I posted a log of a mythic dungeon I did, and people correctly made me notice that I was making some mistakes (more notably not pressing enough buttons, capping rage..). I thought that maybe that could happen because I kite a lot in M+ so damage-wise i couldn't perform well. Last evening was raid evening with my guild, so no kiting is necessary and one can solely focus on performing well his rotation and executing mechanics . Is it indicative of something or are M+ and raid completely unrelated to each other?
strong forum
is the darkmoon deck trinket good enough to use if you need some ilvl?
Voracity is good, indomitable is trash
ornate magnet
whats the max renown his week?
weary quartz
On one you need to hold aggro on a group of mobs, kite, pop degensives on right time, do more aoe dmg etc.
On one you taunt off the other tank when its the correct time
And its mostly single target
undone jacinth
@tardy sequoia in your opener... in the first 6 seconds you cast charge twice, heroic throw twice and then there’s a 3 second gap where you cast no spells but then cast avatar after 9 seconds, demo shout after 11 seconds and shield block after 10 seconds
why ?
this is all while you’re tanking the boss
tardy sequoia
you mean in Xymox? @undone jacinth
undone jacinth
yes?
undone jacinth
yea that’s fine
sweet summit
It just looks like thar for some reason
undone jacinth
besides the point
tardy sequoia
maybe I waited for the boss to come to me
tardy sequoia
so then I kited
undone jacinth
you charged in to xymox then kited him?
undone jacinth
what on earth
tardy sequoia
I tried to heroic throw him but instantly lost aggro because DPS attacked him
so raid leader asked me if I could kite him
sweet summit
On heroic you usually tank him on one of the sides yeah
tardy sequoia
from where he stands to east location
undone jacinth
ok don’t really understand why that’s needed but if you want to do that then either pull him from far so people can see they shouldn’t be nuking him or move with him and cast spells
you shouldn’t be charging and then still somehow out ranging him after
tardy sequoia
first time I pulled him from afar but DPS like istantly nuked him
undone jacinth
you can use all your buttons on pull and just hit him as you run
tardy sequoia
pyroblasts, chaos bolts etc
astral crystal
You do it on heroic because you pretty much don’t move the entire fight
undone jacinth
you can just do that where he starts
no need to move
but either way casting nothing for 10s isn’t good
astral crystal
Idk haven’t done heroic xymox in a hot minute so
undone jacinth
you also have a brewmaster tank in your raid
nimble drift
Is brewmaster mad
undone jacinth
if you ever need to reposition a boss then the brewmaster should pull
nimble drift
Bad*
undone jacinth
the taunt speed is insane
strong forum
Kind of a weird leftover tbh
We have our WW taunt first on mythic
To position boss quicker
strong forum
Cuz I cba tanking him in middle, when later we move to the sides anyway
So why not get there insta
astral crystal
Just not 100% brain dead anymore
undone jacinth
mythic is different with positioning as you need more space
hc you don’t need to move him more than a few yards
strong forum
nimble drift
So in mythic what bosses do yall run bolster? Starting it today
jagged pier
just run it during progress makes fights ez
you dont really need it on any
maybe huntersman
and sunking if u do it like i do it
but AM fine for most as you dont spend all that time tanking anyway
like hungering last night i got 73% blocked hits
with AM
nimble drift
Hmmm, but you said run it on prog huh
jagged pier
well yer
you have to learn the fight to do that with AM
bolster just makes everything mongo ez
as you have so much block time and can cover your mistakes
nimble drift
So for m+ i use it to cover downtime on SB. For mythic should i treat it the same way or use it for big abilties
jagged pier
same way
nimble drift
I feel like i usually end up holding it a long time till some dps fuck up and reqhire more healing
jagged pier
your shouldnt be doing that anywya
nimble drift
Then i last stand or shield wall to give healers some relief
Okay
Ill work on that then for raid
jagged pier
well u can look at it this way
on sludge hc you dont need but it can make him very ez
as you start
bolster can cover like a whole rotation from 1 stomp to the next
thats how it should be used
nimble drift
True i usually use it on him
jagged pier
and in progress maybe you used your SB a bit too much or u dont have them back when u need to taunt
so bolster will cover that
once you know the fight
you wont need bolster to cover really
nimble drift
Yeah i think itll be fine tbh
Idk how much harder these bosses it
Looking forward to it
jagged pier
like even huntsman i run AM now even though u tank 100% of the fight
it all comes with knowledge of the fight
like once u and your healers are comfortable with the fight do what you want
nimble drift
Thanks :) also im curious what conduits do u run
I feel like i havent seen anyones conduits in forever.
jagged pier
I run SoF/Unerving/stalwart/PV
nimble drift
I ususally go the shield wall, last stand, spear, and rally ones
nimble drift
And i like the double defensive ones
jagged pier
should always have double defensives now
nimble drift
Also next week when we get to the bottom of the conduits
Will pelagos still be bis?
jagged pier
yep
sick sentinel
Sorry cant seem to find it here, whats the haste cap for prot?
jagged pier
166%
nimble drift
Non existent
jagged pier
you arent hiting it
nimble drift
Keep pumping the haste broski
north coral
is thunder lord 4.5sec per clap?
hazy fern
Can someone analyze my prot pally and tell me why my parses are so low? Is it because my ilvl
jagged pier
your in the wrong discord for that my dude
may I suggest taking your question to hammer of wrath the paladin discord
hazy fern
My bad I assumed you all sword and board
kindred warren
Some of us hammer and anvil
hazy fern
Lol that’s acceptable
latent steppe
Ello guys, everytime i try to tank m+ my friends are telling me "you cant tank above 12's with warri tank its the worse tank in current meta. go pally or dh". so i wanted to check your opinion in this. cuz to me warrior is not like bfa yeah but still has high aoe dmg and nice mitigations aswell. can someone enlighten me about this?
hazy fern
True
jagged pier
i mean i have KSM
hazy fern
For us common warriors
jagged pier
and im a prot warrior
any tank can tank at least 15s probably higher
tsounds like your friends are too into the FotM stuff
and need to take their heads out of their arses
that being said though we are a punishing tank to play so play it wrong it will be obvious compared to say a bad DH or Monk
strong forum
I take 0 dmg in 15-17s
So your friends are bullshitting you to no end
Some of us did 12-14s week 1 with 180 gear
So them saying you can't do +12s with 215++ gear is just a sad, dumb and ignorant thing to say
Provided you know how to play and have decent gear, every single spec can easily do 15s and higher
@latent steppe
latent steppe
i agree with you @strong forum , now without any doubts i know that what i know is true. Btw cant agree with DK's about tanking lol.
Fortified mobs penetrates DK's boneshield
Warrior is a walking wall but everybody be like "warriarz damn useless shiet" just community trash talk i think. sorry to bother you guys with such pointless issue
strong forum
Bdk is the single worst tank for m+
But it's still good enough to do almost everything
No tank is truly bad for SL terms
But all tanks are fucking terrible in comparison to previous xpacs
gaunt dawn
Fortified mobs penetrates DK's boneshield
?
hazy fern
Yea tanking just sucks in general everything will kill you if you don’t have something up within .5 seconds
Hence the first two mobs on DoS
Nerf please
outer solstice
tardy sequoia
Ello guys, everytime i try to tank m+ my friends are telling me "you cant tank a...
that's what my guild always say to me as well, but I pug keys lol
tardy sequoia
that being said though we are a punishing tank to play so play it wrong it will ...
^^^
amber herald
I hear a lot about niya but what's so great about her?
visual drift
her first trait give you some extra stamina %
strong forum
And extemely high uptime on mastery
tardy sequoia
i tried tanknotes tactics but it's completely wrong
it says grab warriors and bring them to crossbowmen
ebon hound
Yeah
amber herald
ranged are supposed to interuppt mages and bring them to the crossbowman as well
because he's the only mob that won't move outside of deathgrips etc
strong forum
Well yes, you grab the melee mobs, so they don't smack dps or healer
You grab the crossbowman so they don't smack dps and healer
And you get to the mage and kill everything
Or well, mage gets brought to you
But chances are you don't have 4 ranged interrupts
uneven mason
ranged are supposed to interuppt mages and bring them to the crossbowman as well
That should be adjusted now that their arrows no longer ignore armor 👏
what a BS bug to have.
So, lastnight, doing HC clear
new paladin tank, been in there twice
geta shield
<--- has literally no looted a single shield all Xpac
about flipped my desk IRL
tardy sequoia
Well yes, you grab the melee mobs, so they don't smack dps or healer
problem is noone interrupt mages so that in meanwhile i grab melee mobs half party died
sand torrent
i think warri tank is the most fun tank to play right now
i just play it as an alt, because my guild needs tanks for m+ but its so much fun
signal plover
Yes
lusty marsh
Funnily enough my biggest problem in m+ is underperforming dps.
That said I'm only doing 13-14 keywise
lofty widget
tank dps isnt that big of a deal tbh
lusty marsh
Don't worry, I didn't mean my own.
lofty widget
yeah i realized lol
modern brook
That said I'm only doing 13-14 keywise
the 2nd up tick is at like ~17
strong forum
Id say moreso starts low, dips below negative from 10-16,then starts ramping at 17
latent steppe
btw is having a venthyr for m+ tanking can be a trouble for most of the times? for min maxing should you go kyrian or nfae?
strong forum
Venthyr offers almost 0 benefits for m+ besides boss dmg
And venthyr specific bonuses in dungeons
modern brook
Id say moreso starts low, dips below negative from 10-16,then starts ramping at ...
it starts high because no one doing anything doesnt matter until like ~10-16 anyways
strong forum
Kyrian/nightfae offer alot more dmg and especially rage gain in m+
lusty marsh
Guildies not pug atm.
lusty marsh
I should try pugging more but people always need weekly clears
latent steppe
hmm im really stuck deciding about night fae or kyrian tho
strong forum
Kyrian has more utility with spear and potion
Nightfae has more damage
modern brook
hmm im really stuck deciding about night fae or kyrian tho
Kyrian is also meta for War in pvp
which can be nice for gearing
lusty marsh
It's the only one I've done since learning how to log
strong forum
The biggest downside to nightfae is, that 
only hits 5 targets max
So you don't generste any threat on the 6th+ target with it
modern brook
p sure ur frost mage needs to icelance more if hes going to run glacial frags
tardy parcel
To whoever said a few weeks ago that it's honestly better to pug than to just bring guildies to your keys... you weren't far off. I have a core group within my guild that I can confidently trust to push higher keys, but whenever one or more of them is offline and I run keys with other folks in the guild, dumb shit tends to happen and keys burn. It's more demoralizing than if you just had a dumb pug lol
strong forum
When spear hits all targets ( even if for less dmg past the 5th,but it still is damage)
tardy parcel
lmao
it hurts because i don't wanna be a mean and exclusionary dude, but the alternative just feels like wasted time
mystic ridge
I definitely feel that same pain
merry kestrel
People in my guild go into our high keys thinking they can fuck around
tardy parcel
yep
strong forum
I only do 4 weekly keys with main group ( and take 1 shitter from guild so they have atleast 1x 15 done)
So we get weekly done for 4 guildies
- my own 4 keys and my groups
Way easier that way
lusty marsh
I'm happy to run keys(theirs) with guildies who need to improve, I just don't have the class knowledge to help out.
tardy parcel
"keys were really easy in 8.3, they'll be a joke here too!" proceeds to leave soaking laser on last boss of Halls and pulses damage on everyone
silver trout
ouch
lusty marsh
Like with my pally offtank dying to H sludge. I just don't know where to start critiquing
merry kestrel
My biggest issue with guildies is avoiding the raid loggers lol
modern brook
makes the fight real free
merry kestrel
And frankly harder
lusty marsh
Avoiding the raid loggers?
silver trout
the folks who just log on for raid
merry kestrel
Sorry
lusty marsh
Aaahhh
tardy parcel
Learn to double soak that btw
Yeh, was just an example lol. Good call either way
merry kestrel
Even the raid loggers want to squeeze out some vault slots
Typically after raid lol
lusty marsh
Tfw I'm kinda a raid logger too.
modern brook
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4Hb39PmhvLx7zR6F#fight=1&type=summary
I havent looked at a WCL of a dungeon ina while but your block % looks low to me
lusty marsh
Fuck that, after raid it's way too late and I'm spent
silver trout
I've been trying to drag one of the DK tanks in my guild to more m+ but he just complains about the lack of loot and the options
strong forum
Unlike raiding?
merry kestrel
Lol
silver trout
and doesn't do any m+
silver trout
yeh
lusty marsh
My block % was definitely low that run.
silver trout
but then he doesn't do anything to fill vault slots
lusty marsh
It was an easy mists and was going ham on revenge unless the pack was big.