protection

[heavy sail]

Like I almost couldn’t tell if I was playing it wrong at first

Because I had like 3 buttons to press

[surreal thunder]

Whats the talents for prot warriors using the wall legendary?

[jagged pier]

the same as the TL leggos

[frail wyvern]

Hey guys how would you rate the slimy consumptive organ trinket?

[jagged pier]

no

[frail wyvern]

it's that bad? xD

[jagged pier]

yes

[sick sentinel]

@chilly brook Hey matt, taunt DR guy again, can I pm you with my logs for you to take a look at, I cant seem to see massive overlaps that would lead to it!?

[jagged pier]

just post them here

[valid zodiac]

Guys do I go from 220-226 weapon upgrade or 200-226 Helm. Those are my only two that are upgrades

[sick sentinel]

Not up for every 'pro' being leet, just a pm will do, you fancy em @jagged pier

[jagged pier]

helm probably

[sick sentinel]

sorry using slang, you fancy em = would you like them.

[jagged pier]

i can have a look

[blazing condor]

You reckon that AM has better survivability for CN than Bolster?

maybe for magic-heavy encounters?

[strong forum]

For inerva and hungering prolly yes

Outside of that, for survival not really

Maybe sunking

But that's a meme boss

[blazing condor]

true

just feels nice to be able to get some extra SB uptime and health on some damage heavy fights

[strong forum]

AM is actually also better on xymox I reckon

Cuz you have SW for every tank mechanic

And xymox is also a joke for tanks, which I absolutely adore btw

[blazing condor]

yeah for sure

[jagged pier]

100% depends on the fight

[nimble drift]

On mythic huntsman do the sinseekers do "lethal damage" to the targets every phase or just phase 1?

And if they do lethal damage every phase then they gotta be soaked every phase right?

[mental scarab]

soo how much haste do we need to get SB to 12 sec cd?

[cyan bluff]

Yes, they need soaked every phase

[strong forum]

40%

iirc

[nimble drift]

I get to like 11s

[mental scarab]

dafuc that much

[nimble drift]

I believe with ITF and naturally at 26-27%. Dont actually remember

[mental scarab]

have 27% now unbuffed

[nimble drift]

With ITF in raid you shiuld be at 11s. Maybe im only hitting that in my anime field emitter? But i swear i get to 11s before 40%

Id have to get online and check lol

[lofty widget]

im getting 12 sec at 28.7 % haste

[mental scarab]

oh soon ther then 😄

[reef ferry]

This might be a dumb question - I'm a Fury warrior generally but want to start tanking. Do I need a completely different set of gear or will I be able to just tweak my existing fury stuff with the right legendary, shield and trinkets?

[jagged pier]

just need a shield tbh

most tanks will run dps trinkets anyway

[reef ferry]

ah okay

[jagged pier]

leggo is nice to have

but not required

[reef ferry]

cool, okay, cheers for the help!

[visual drift]

Damn, never got so bad loot from vault till now 😦

[fringe marten]

HM...any actual prot wars see the ..really cool synergy of the 2 <35% hp nodes on Mikanikos' tree?

We can't get it until 2 weeks away from this week though.

[visual drift]

What would you choose? :/

[fringe marten]

You lose the mastery from Pelagos, which is huge.

but that looks like a really neat combo for M+

[visual drift]

I have not many trinket options so far
200er spliiter heart, 207 haste pvp trinket and 213 glut spikes

[fringe marten]

I wonder if that stun is effected by DR, etc..?

[jagged pier]

no mikanos is shit if your dipping below 35% regularly your doing somthing wrong also it spunking you pot when u dont need it isnt a good thing at all

[fringe marten]

There's plenty of times you're gonna' dip low even if you're doing things right in some nasty keys.

[jagged pier]

cirt vers ring ove the 197 one

[fringe marten]

But I just don't think the damage loss is worth it.

Mastery scales too well for us, and those orbs extend that buff significantly.

[jagged pier]

okay but that still doesnt stop though bits in the tree being really bad for you

and useless

but if u want to run mikanos be our guest no one will stop you

[deft vessel]

for real though, mikanikos is not worth running

displacement alone can be an issue

[fringe marten]

Bron is just such total trash; if that summon were strong, or popped up exponentially faster that could be a really cool tree to try.

[visual drift]

are you sure?
Not sure how strong the trinket would be. the heart trinket safe my live from time to time. so i guess trinket will be not a question

[deft vessel]

heart trinket only really good for pushing beyond/at the edge of your gear level, for throughput the new trinket would simply be superior

[fringe marten]

and I kinda' wish it was still last week and for the hell of it give Kleia a try on her right side phial buff, explicitly for Plaguefall, the part after boss 1 where you're setting up kills using the barrels and borers.

[jagged pier]

kelia if good this week

8 second imunity to necro

[deft vessel]

necrotic is not that hard to manage

in critical situations vial helps

[fringe marten]

BAH nm..

[jagged pier]

no its not

[fringe marten]

No, the really bad stuff is "nature" damage

[deft vessel]

it's really only on a few fast bosses, like plaguefall spider lady

[fringe marten]

it's not classified as poison or disease.

[visual drift]

hm, sometimes, or better said very often it helps me. I'm not good at kiting :/

[deft vessel]

fair enough, but using it as a crutch won't really improve your ability to kite 😛

don't get me wrong, it's a good trinket if you're uncomfortable with certain content or mechanics (kiting)

[fringe marten]

As a fire dwarf necrotic doesn't bother me at all; no I was thinking about that section where you're using the barrel bombs and bug borers to blow stuff up; You have to try and stay planted long enough to get stuff to blow up. But most of the stuff ravaging you in that pack is nature damage.

[visual drift]

Well, sometimes it safe me from doing mistakes

ithappens with randoms i pull a second group

i think the heal from trinket will be minor?

[sweet summit]

Vicera is eh. Id personally take the HoA ring to replace the 197 ring

[visual drift]

i would drop with random groups from 22% hase to 19% and with my friends i would go from 25 to 21%

[sweet summit]

Ok

[visual drift]

well then it's decided to go for the 223 ring

Thank you

[sweet summit]

[orchid frigate]

how do you guys play mistcaller, do you trust dps to solve which add to blast or move there with boss? been watching streams and tank usually just stands with mistcaller in middle

[lofty widget]

i move there with boss but also call it out

[sweet summit]

I zoom over to nuke unless pattycake is comming

[orchid frigate]

goodie

[fringe marten]

I do as well, I jump/charge to the right one to kill to help. However; in more organized stronger groups...They probably want the same thing people want in mythic raids. Keep the boss in a set predictable position so we can move around for mechanics and have a stable 're position'

IE so where the little orbs or whatever? are shooting out, are always coming from the same area

gives the arrows more room to 'spread' due to the angles of them. Also there's less a chance of the vulpin spawning on you and freezing you, since the whole group is clumped in 1 spot..

if you get frozen on a high/ish key...that's a wrap.

[orchid frigate]

mhm

[fringe marten]

You're gonna' get PattyClapped

[lofty widget]

the balls are easily dodged by just taking a step to either direction, imo it helps a lot more, especially in higher keys to have your dps on the add as well

[fringe marten]

And sure on AoE with a bunch of targets we have some meaningful dps to add to the encounter, on a single target it ain't so spiffy.

[lofty widget]

the dog should be stunned/feared as soon as it spawns as well

i mean all dps matters

[orchid frigate]

just wish i wasnt such an ape when it comes to figure out which add to blast 🐒

[fringe marten]

Right; and I always want to hope whoever is in my rando pug is a 'decent' player. But people tunnel, you're watching for pattycake and trying to make sure you aren't breaking the cc on vulpin, or trying to see where the little star is flying to to spawn it..etc.

Of course, and we add a couple extra K damage.

[sweet summit]

🐒

Ook ook

[fringe marten]

But if your dps is strong, they don't really need you..they need you to be in the middle, see what the puzzle is..and call it out for them.

I would think the more valuable argument for moving her to the proper image to kill would be higher uptime on boss since melee aren't moving back to engage it.

[zenith monolith]

Thinking of race changing from Highmountain Tauren. Any suggestions on what would be good for M+ etc ?

[orchid frigate]

female orc for looks

[fringe marten]

I always try and find the right image to go to; and jump over and help dps..and pummel off pattycake because one is always hitting during those images.

But if the encounter were just more stable, she's always centralized..stuff is easier to dodge...that has a lot of value as well.

[twilit siren]

I was Tauren, then Orc, then Vulpera, then Highmountain Tauren. H.Tauren is the best race for M+ dungeons by far for me.

[fringe marten]

The spawn position of the freezetag vulpin is ON a player? Or a random position around the boss?

[orchid frigate]

vulpera has a good size

[fringe marten]

I think it's a random position around the boss? (or a random position near the chosen player for the fixate?)

[tardy sequoia]

When they ask you which is your favorite legendary but you also listen to Pink Floyd

[amber herald]

I usually tank in the middle until pattycake and then go help kill the add

[tacit glacier]

question; any prots tried running "Tormented kings lego" instead of wall or thunderclap for m+ ?

[undone jacinth]

I have

[orchid frigate]

i use it all the time

[restive flax]

In lower keys its fun ye

[maiden ravine]

Anyone ever have Devos's spear kick you out without using and orbs stop spawning?

[undone jacinth]

spear kick you out?

oh

no

[maiden ravine]

yeah, I was waiting for her to stop moving, suddenly I'm back on the ground, no one can click the spear and no orbs respawned

[undone jacinth]

never happened but nothing in SL surprises me

[maiden ravine]

as if I didn't have enough anxiety about that mechanic

[undone jacinth]

I once jumped off the platform and floated all the way to bastion

time to open the vaults

[polar radish]

That happened to me once I think because I took too long to throw spear

[restive flax]

haha I had something similar happen in a mythic +. Everyone died and I was the only one surviving, so I tried to reset (but the boss was in the intermission phase). Took me literally a minute to die because I also had the splintered heart LUL

[undone jacinth]

ooh

hard choice

the trinket has 45 avoidance xd

[exotic belfry]

Hey guys im new to prot warrior, so i was wondering what is more important, a good shield or good 1 hand? got conquest points for 1 of them

[native coyote]

shield

[lofty widget]

a shield

it will give you the biggest survival boost of any item by far

[astral crystal]

That’s happened to me after hitting her with the spear

The intermission continues and orbs don’t spawn

[exotic belfry]

Alrighty thanks!

Will a "okay" tank have a better chance of joining keys than a "okay" dps?

[undone jacinth]

yes

[maiden ravine]

this was strange cause I didn't even get to throw the spear haha

[exotic belfry]

Nice time to practice those tanking skills then

[amber herald]

it's a tough week for tanks so just bear that in mind

[exotic belfry]

Might just use this week to get to learn the spec and then the "real" tanking start next week. Havent touched tank in over 2 expansions

[stoic mural]

Its Heroic Leap Week guys

[lofty widget]

did someone say leaper?

[stoic mural]

Ahah ! Bad day for Maldraxxi ones !

[stoic mural]

You godamn right

[stoic mural]

Yup, because OK tanks will always try to use his CC and kick i think. Ok dps think more about being 1st on détails without bringing utility imo

[undone jacinth]

It’s more just because nobody needs to invite an ok dps - there’s a hundred dps players queueing for every key

[maiden ravine]

And unfortunately, you tend to get burnt taking that 900 rio dps to a 13-15

[exotic belfry]

@stoic mural I see, well gotta practice my tanking skills then

[subtle island]

220 inscrutable quantum device or 213 hands?

[undone jacinth]

probably hands

[jagged pier]

device is such a bait take hands

[odd verge]

Was doing a +3 yesterday and was the 2nd highest DPS (by a big margin) and was the main person that's kicking. 38 kicks vs 3 kicks from the 1st DPS and 0 from the rest.

Used this time to practice my rotations of having SB, IP consistently up and helping the healer and not panicking during 'oh-sh!t' moments.

Utility is super important.

[limpid burrow]

no

[exotic belfry]

Should i use shield block and ignore pain every time they are ready in fights?

and demoralizing shout of cd?

[odd verge]

I think the answer is some other classes have it easier than Warriors. But Warriors are still viable and VDH is the FotM.

[odd verge]

I'm still learning. But you should keep the uptimes up on SB and IP. Demoralizing Shout on CD yes.

But uptimes also depend on the situation. Eg if you know there's a phase where the boss won't be active then i'd save the rage and CD.

[undone jacinth]

while you are learning use everything on cd and do this, but your goal should be to use shield block always vs blockable damage, then use IP when you need it to smooth your damage in take, then use the rest of your rage on revenges for damage

[exotic belfry]

Thanks guys, gonna take some time learning it for muscle memory, but im excited to try prot

[jagged pier]

no its not bad, but it is probably the most punishing tank to play right now, so if you have a bad prot warrior it will really really show

[odd verge]

What helped me tons is looking at guides, learning mechanics, running lower keys to learn the dungeon, and scrutinizing my combatlogs.

One YouTube-er helped me tons is Quazii on mechanics: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbvPkKY6RIhQyo3jMRVQusA

[exotic belfry]

I will check it out thanks!

[odd verge]

Also, Tiqqle has a Google Sheet that you can alt+tab to just incase you need to copy/paste strategies to the PUG. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tJPNr_dRF96EAc5u41vUOkRTYdKh36RERYaYpuL6xys/edit#gid=227857681

Good luck! It's already nice to see someone want to learn to be better.

[jagged pier]

we are also around in here to help you improve and people are always happy to try and help

best way to do that is to log your run tho we much prefer logs alone with a question, instead of just 'i take a lot of damage help'

[vale bear]

Quick Question; How worth are sockets?

[jagged pier]

big worth why?

[sweet summit]

Depends

[vale bear]

Got some on 3 - 7 ilvl lower items and am considering using the higher itemlvl ones giving up the socket

But if they are "big worth" imma keep the sockets 😄

[jagged pier]

sockets in general are worth about 10 ilvls

[solemn magnet]

For 7ilvl,they don't seem worth to me

[exotic belfry]

Thanks guys appreciate it!

[vale bear]

Thanks for the Infos ~

[undone jacinth]

sockets are not worth 10 ilvl

[strong forum]

Depends on piece, but on armor pieces it's 3-7 ilvl

Depending on slot

3 on bigger slots, 7 on smaller ones

Rings and neck 10-15

3-4 Str = socket

[undone jacinth]

they are not worth 10-15 on ring neck

they are more like 7

not 100% on neck but ring gives you like 18 stat for 10 ilvl plus stam

[strong forum]

18 stats on 10 ilvl rly now

Thought it was less

[undone jacinth]

unless it changes at different ilvl, I checked a 197 to 207 and a few others

they were worth a lot more in BFA

[vale bear]

Its as Dolphin says at least for 197 to 207 the stat difference is 18

Can Provide Screenshot if wanted

at least for ring its an 18 stat difference

[tardy sequoia]

Guys which reward should i get from weekly?

i'm undecided between these 3

[vale bear]

What ilvl is your shield?

[tardy sequoia]

200

but it's only 13 ilvl upgrade whereas trinket would be 23

but that trinket is shit for tanks

gluttonous spike would be nice but again is only 10 ilvl upgrade

[strong forum]

Take shield

[vale bear]

i personally would go with the shield as for its a rather strong defensive upgrade imo but you should wait for other peoples opinion

[strong forum]

Bigger survival gain

It's the most important slot

[tardy sequoia]

ok even if trinket ilvl 223?

[strong forum]

Yes

[tardy sequoia]

just asking

Ok!

[vale bear]

yes you only get strength no other defensive value

[strong forum]

Trinket ilvl doesn't matter as much as main armor pieces, especially shield

[vale bear]

while with the shield you get Stam, Blockrate and Armor

additionaly

[undone jacinth]

it’s shoulders or shield not trinket

[tardy sequoia]

no shoulders it's for leggo slot

[undone jacinth]

Rip

[tardy sequoia]

Thanks everyone

i'll go with shield

[hazy fern]

How does the maw and socket work do you just get the rep and buy a socket for a piece of armor?

[uneven mason]

yeah for like 7500 stygia

IMO they need to move the socket item into a choice for the great vault

rather than awarding you 1/10th of a socket

at least when I have a choice between "vendor garbage, or less valuable vendor garbage" from the vault each week I'd have somethign where I can make my currently craptastic loot a little better.

[charred hinge]

Good morning guys what % of versatility I should be aiming for?

[uneven mason]

whatever you get

with your highest ilvlgear

can someone shoot this vers meme in the head

seriously, take it out back and cap it

[amber herald]

if rage capped with a shield slam proc during dps cooldowns should you just use shield slam

or use revenge/ip and then use shield slam?

the problem being spamming revenge will probably mean more wasted shield slam procs

[lofty widget]

ip is off the gcd with an internal 1 sec cooldown so spam ip

[charred hinge]

So is there a cap on Vers?

[amber herald]

for more context I'm only really having this problem during my burst when I have last stand/ravager/AA up

wondering which is more dps

[astral crystal]

i dump into revenge and SS when it's up;

when it procs/when it's up

[lofty widget]

depends how many targets tbh, on ST SS is more worth but in aoe revenge is more worth

[lofty widget]

no cap and you shouldnt be focusing on it

[uneven mason]

If capped and you have a SS proc, use IP + SS

[uneven mason]

Vers was a meme that some jokers used to do like +40 keys in the last season of BFA because of how obtuse the corruption stacking could get, that being said, Warriors never actually needed it.

[charred hinge]

10/4 ty

[uneven mason]

we don't focus any stat besides haste, and thats only equal ilvl, or 5~ ilvls on necks/rings

so ilvl > all
if ilvl = haste

[amber herald]

I'm having a hard time asking the question

I'm asking which is more damage?

shield slam with the wasted rage?

or the revenge spam which doesn't waste rage

[ebon hound]

I only see myself in that situation if I've completely disregarded Ignore Pain over a longer period of time.

[amber herald]

I'm a nf so during last stand with the rage conduit I'm being fed a bunch of rage passively

because of ravager/AA

[lofty widget]

revenge does more damage in aoe, shield slam in single target

[strong forum]

You wanna avoid rage capping, sitting at 1 global without using SS insta isn't hurtful

[amber herald]

is 3 globals ok?

[ebon hound]

I think you maybe want to replace more Tclaps with Revenges, than worrying if you should replace Shield Slams with Revenges

[strong forum]

During ravager + last stand I just spam away with revenge

Especially in aoe

[amber herald]

same here

I was wondering if it was a dps loss, it feels bad to have shield slam procced knowing revenge is gonna keep proccing it

[uneven mason]

If your single target

[strong forum]

Depends on target count

[uneven mason]

SS will do more dmg

if your 2, its a toss up (I think)

[amber herald]

ah ok

[uneven mason]

3 targets + Revenge is better

[amber herald]

ty that makes sense

[uneven mason]

I heard people used to mod the wow files to change the gun sound so it wasn't so obnoxious, wonder if I can do that still with Thunderclap, so it makes the orc weeping noise each time I press it....

[quaint fjord]

Is ravager better if we play thunder lord?

[ionic fern]

You don't pick UF regardless of your legendary choice if that's what you are asking

[quaint fjord]

OK thx @ionic fern

[heavy sail]

Unless you’re a Chad

[clear pond]

have had some trouble with threat in m+ at ~15 level at pull, how do you guys get solid threat on pull?

[heavy sail]

In which case UF

[quaint fjord]

:D

[heavy sail]

And run misshapen mirror also

https://tenor.com/view/yes-chad-gif-18386674

[quaint fjord]

Oh BTW I was talking for m + if it matters

[ionic fern]

You should have at least one of :Avatar/BV/Spear(AA)/Ravager up at the beginning of a pull in most situations which makes holding aoe threat a non-issue unless you have a trigger happy fire mage with combust or a ret paladin who won't give you a few globals to establish threat.
For AoE in general you want to use Revenge early as TC won't do enough damage to actually get you any decent threat.

[uneven mason]

TFW being Chad means doing less damage and having shittier threat and garbage RPS, no wonder the DH discord is obsessed with them.

[clear pond]

I think revenge is what I'm missing then, probably overprioritizing defensive uses of rage vs revenge to get threat

[heavy sail]

Being a a Chad is tanking with no shield and cloth

[exotic belfry]

I just did my first mythic+ (only +2) run as prot and managed not to die and think i did decently well, thanks for the tips in here!

[heavy sail]

And still timing +15s effortlessly

Babysteps @exotic belfry

[ionic fern]

You should still aim to get SB up as early as possible but other than that dump rage into Revenge early in the pack to establish threat and once that's done you can dump some into IP.

[heavy sail]

You’ll be doing +10 in no time chief

[uneven mason]

Yeah, charge + avatar will give you enough for a Revenge + Shield block on engage

[exotic belfry]

@heavy sail soon i might hope to evolve into Wartortle and do higher keys

But man i find it more stressing that doing it as dps

[uneven mason]

When you do your first +10 you're now required to buy a namechange.

[exotic belfry]

So much to keep track of

[uneven mason]

DPS have a ton to keep track of too.

[exotic belfry]

Hahaha might need to happen @uneven mason

[uneven mason]

good ones anyway

[exotic belfry]

than*

[uneven mason]

since its kind've on the DPS to properly interrupt/CC

most are bad in ealry keys tho

expect the tank and healer to do everything

[exotic belfry]

True, but i actually enjoyed this run way more than i thought i would, the aesthetic, the spells all that, made it enjoyable to play prot

But i still need tons of practice

When i one day manage to do a 10+ i will put a screenshot in here!

[strong forum]

Big

[amber herald]

prot best spec

[undone jacinth]

anyone know how much % avoidance is per stat

10 = 1% or so?

[sweet summit]

30 is 2.14%

[undone jacinth]

I got 45 on a trinket so a little over 3% I guess... decent

could get like 10% dr with a few items lol

I wonder if leech and speed are the same %s

[strong forum]

Leech is less % I think

When I log on I can check, I have 1 leech piece iirc

But that is still a bit away cuz I'm working a bit overtime today 👍

[undone jacinth]

making bank

[strong forum]

More like, catching up the slack of others

How could it be any different

[dull zodiac]

guys i got a prot warr alt, with 3 vault options , 187 gluttonous spike, 210 vers>mastery ring, 207 haste vers helmet,
current helm is 171 haste mastery
trinkets are haste/stat proc trinket pvp and DMF haste trinket

Rings are 194 haste mastery and 200 vers mastery ring

idk how to decide i cant sim it like my main char thats a dps

[undone jacinth]

helm

armour is more valuable than anything other than shield and the ring isn’t great anyways

[dull zodiac]

trinket isnt worth it then?

[uneven mason]

Helm

Shield > weapon > Chest > Helm/shoulder/leg > Glove/Boot > belt/bracer > cloak > ring/neck > trinkets (barring super effects)

[dull zodiac]

what trinkets am i hunting for

[uneven mason]

spike is an impressive "Meh" for a trinket

flat +str and haste

[dull zodiac]

okay

[uneven mason]

Its not a horrible trinket

but its also not anything to write home about

[dull zodiac]

how r my current trinkets? pvp haste +str proc trinket and DMF dps trinket

the on use haste

[uneven mason]

also, a 36ilvl increase in an armor slot

thats good

they're solid trinkets

[dull zodiac]

so its worth upgrading the pvp one to 197

[uneven mason]

sure

until you get something like the scale from hakkar

[dull zodiac]

took the helm

🙂

thank you for the help

i appreciate it

[uneven mason]

atm I think the best 2 functional trinkets might be sanguine vintage and scale

but it varies per situation

[dull zodiac]

i looked at wlogs for all prot warriors on dena hc and alot of people like using spike and ston elegion general trinket

[uneven mason]

raw str/haste with a str/haste proc is never going to be bad for prot

yeah

folks do that

spike is just very easy to obtain

and it does an ok amount of healing

but at 187 ilvl

🤮

it won't do much damage/healing at that point

[dull zodiac]

i d like to focus more on m+ tho

[uneven mason]

Spike IS decent enough for Dena because of adds

ok so it'd be ok

[midnight jetty]

is the haste pvp trinket alright for prot?

the one that gives flat haste

[uneven mason]

its not the best, far from the worst

[midnight jetty]

aight

[dull zodiac]

but ye the helm ws deffo the play here

thx!

time to replace my 138 sword and 158 shield

lol

2 more campaign chapters

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[dull zodiac]

guess i can pick up the lfr weps for now

got to 60 3 days ago haha

but rly enjoying prot

[uneven mason]

yeah

I can't really bash bad weapon/shield

since I"m still using a 197 weapon and 200 shield

because literally 0 weapon/shield drops for me all Xpac

in all tiers of content

[dull zodiac]

im like 190 ilvl ive been doing some keys but idk whst it is with wep and shields

they dont drop

exactly

;p

[undone jacinth]

you can buy a shield with 550 conquest

[uneven mason]

8/10 heroic using PVP purchased garbage

[undone jacinth]

200

[uneven mason]

wtf you think I'm using

oh for him

yeah

[dull zodiac]

yea need to get some conquest first tho

arms?

for bgs

[uneven mason]

go arms do 2s

[dull zodiac]

oki

[undone jacinth]

thought u said u had pvp stuff already

[uneven mason]

get 500 conquest in like, a day

[dull zodiac]

well

my trinekt sure

197 honor trinekt

;p

i messed around a bit in random bgs in prot spec

not very enjoyable tbf

[undone jacinth]

how do you get that much honour with no conquest

[uneven mason]

because random BGs give you like 45

[dull zodiac]

what do u mean

the first one indeed

[uneven mason]

conquest each day

[dull zodiac]

after that its like

8 conquest ;p

[undone jacinth]

sad

[dull zodiac]

i got 300

[uneven mason]

I got 600 conquest doing arena/random bgs

[dull zodiac]

actually

[uneven mason]

and had 14,000 honor

so

[dull zodiac]

what stats does conquest shied have

[uneven mason]

bit of a gap for how fast you gain conquest vs honor hah

its a shield

all that matters

don't fixate on stats

[dull zodiac]

haha ok

[uneven mason]

just fixate ilvl

[dull zodiac]

sooo

imagine i have a 190 haste vers shield

a crit mastery 200 shield

would shit on that

because armor?

[uneven mason]

yes

our stats are very close together

but above them all

is strength, and stamina and armor

[dull zodiac]

the helm gave me 1600 additional hp

lol

[uneven mason]

yes

ilvl > all

[dull zodiac]

oh no

i fucked up

i didnt kill world boss

first

and it dropsa helm

time to get punished

[undone jacinth]

world bosses drop loot?

[dull zodiac]

no but now it will

to punish me

[undone jacinth]

disenchant value

[exotic belfry]

Is thunderlord legendary better to craft than "the wall" legendary?

for mythic+

And if yes, should i craft for boots or gloves? (same with "The wall" for shoulder or back)

[sterile moss]

Shoulder for tw, boots for tl

[true wind]

afaik Thunderlord on Boots is good

[sweet summit]

pick your poison, both are good
shoulders for wall
boots for TL

[exotic belfry]

Is there a reason why another armor slot is better to craft items for than the other?

[sweet summit]

more raw stat gain

[sterile moss]

Legendaries get to high ilvl

[sick sentinel]

TW 3

[exotic belfry]

ahhh okay

thanks all!

[sick sentinel]

what should my 3rd lego be after i max out this TW that i'm working on

i got TL4 TW3

[patent osprey]

pvp legendary to get dem gains 😄

[sick sentinel]

honor one?

leaper or proclamation

[patent osprey]

if u play Capture the flag as prot then leaper is good

otherwise u probably just want to play arms

[sweet summit]

unhinged 📈

[vocal bison]

Too funny not to share, rip this week my fellow tanks

[quaint fjord]

https://i.imgur.com/IcGl4ej.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jCfvfO4.jpg
what would you guys take ? the weapon probably right cause of +30 despite not the greatest stats ? (sorry for the french game kekw)

[uneven mason]

weapon

[quaint fjord]

ok thanks a lot !

[shell fox]

whats the stats for prot?

[sweet summit]

ilvl>haste>vers generally

[shell fox]

so more haste than vers?

im doing some 12's but kinda confused

[uneven mason]

Yeah, rule of thumb is going to be Shield > weapon > chest etc...

[quaint fjord]

ok thanks @uneven mason 🙂

[uneven mason]

more ilvl than vers

[shell fox]

lol

[sweet summit]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

why not take the weapon

oh, he did i guess

[quaint fjord]

yes i did :d

maybe it was a dumb question tho lol

[shell fox]

he already had a weapon

idk why he did that

same ilvl lol

[uneven mason]

err? Did I miss read the ilvl in that screenshot?

[shell fox]

uh same

[uneven mason]

No, that wsa a 194ilvl to a 223

[sweet summit]

nah, weapon is the play there yeah

[quaint fjord]

yes @uneven mason

[uneven mason]

big play

big smash

[exotic belfry]

What is the cap for when vers become a more important stat than haste?

[sweet summit]

there is no stat cap

[shell fox]

there it is

DR dude

[sweet summit]

good luck

[uneven mason]

DR isn't a cap

[exotic belfry]

thats what i meant, the DR

[sweet summit]

DR starts at 30% from rating

[uneven mason]

when we have 100% effective SB uptime

[shell fox]

wtf? isnt?

oof

[sweet summit]

even then you want haste

[uneven mason]

for rage

but, like

that level of stats won't be reachable anyway

[exotic belfry]

so is it like haste>vers>all other stats?

[modern brook]

[uneven mason]

ilvl > stats

but yeah haste > v => C > M

[exotic belfry]

awesome ty!

[uneven mason]

Let me know when they reactivate corruptions so that matters 😄

[shell fox]

lol

[modern brook]

counter argument:

[shell fox]

you did that in

3 seconds

how?

[uneven mason]

Do you have that secret Never Surrender Update still?

MS paint

it even hasa keyboard shortcut

[shell fox]

lol

[sweet summit]

whats that graph

[shell fox]

alright thats better

about the DR

[exotic belfry]

just started playing prot today and im trying to learn all i can, but man its the best thing since sliced bread

[sweet summit]

yeah

but that doesnt make it a cap

[shell fox]

why not

cant see why

[sweet summit]

unless you somehow get 106% from rating

[modern brook]

because its still going up

[sweet summit]

a cap is where a stat has no additional value

[undone jacinth]

Wtf is that graph

[shell fox]

dr

[sweet summit]

i dont know

never seen it before

looks cool tho

[undone jacinth]

none of the numbers are close to correct

and why is it dodge

[uneven mason]

we can dodge?

[modern brook]

Everyone can dodge im p sure

[sweet summit]

druids get dodge, not parry from str and crit

[modern brook]

or maybe thats miss

IDK i just fucking use the shield

[uneven mason]

☝️

[sweet summit]

and yeah idk why the others has dodge there

[shell fox]

stat/(100+stat) = damage reduction percentage

So at 100 armor, you take 50% less damage. At 200, you take 66% less damage.

MS has a 20% reduction in additional increase after 415, and 50% after 490.

[undone jacinth]

dude

what are you on about lmao

[placid oar]

Hi guys, if equipping my highest ilvl gear only gives me 14% haste. Is it better to equip my haste neck with no socket (current neck is Crit + Mastery with a socket and 3 ilvl higher) and replace a chest (Crit + Master and 3 ilvl higher) with the ilvl 200 pvp chest (haste + versa)?

[shell fox]

ah nvm

[modern brook]

crit mast w/ socket is better than haste esp at a higher ilvl

3+ilvls on chest is > pvp chest

[placid oar]

Ahhh

[modern brook]

unless you're planning on pushing for rating and upping it

I would save your conquest and keep both of what you have

[placid oar]

I’m very casual so I only pretty much do keys during the times I play

[modern brook]

14% haste is fine

the stat loss trying to itemize for it would be overall detrimental

[placid oar]

I’m just worried with my Low haste it may affect keys

[modern brook]

Just gem and enchant for haste

[placid oar]

Ah I see

Okay, thank u

[undone jacinth]

your skill is what affects your keys

[placid oar]

Okay, got it

[uneven mason]

more like your DPS ability to interrupt necrotic bolt

affects your keys

[modern brook]

T-T

I was leveling an alt through legion

and i forgot how fucking impossible legion dungeons are if people arent kicking

Mistmender never got kicked, made that pull last 4 and a half minutes

[uneven mason]

Oh..yeah...maw of souls

that boat

[modern brook]

Maw of souls is actually a death sentence to power leveling

[uneven mason]

If you were going to bone that key

that first pull on the boat would be it

Lantern dude on Fortified weeks

[undone jacinth]

I chose legion TW to level in, but I do dungeons... did one maw and then immediately just went back to BFA dungeons

[uneven mason]

🤮

[shut summit]

Just belf silence them 🤓

[modern brook]

I did a 30 minute Normal Maw followed by "watching people fuck up the huntsman portion of Halls" before quitting, requeuing and getting that same group

i left; went to ogrimar, moved to Warlords

[silver trout]

lolllllll

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[silent fog]

Your thoughts on decanter trinket ?

[uneven mason]

I mean, back in Legion, at least if you got to Helya you could complete the key no matter how flipperhanded your DPS were

[modern brook]

i hate it other ppl like it

[uneven mason]

since tanks could solo it.

[modern brook]

note: you cannot solo it anymore

[uneven mason]

yeah

[modern brook]

I learned that on pull 5 of "guys pleas stop walking into the holes"

[exotic belfry]

Im at 188 ilvl as prot, but i feel like mobs keep getting de aggroed (not agro on me?) on me in mythic+ (around 2-4) is it because of my ilvl or my skills?

[uneven mason]

ilvl probably

[tropic cypress]

Has anyone tried Signet of Tormented Kings as Prot and if so is it viable or suicidal

[uneven mason]

if your weapon is garbage DPS will pull offa you.

[modern brook]

Dropping aggro in 2's; assuming you're playing with ppl at that same ilvl; is most likely your messing up your damage rotation

[uneven mason]

its fun

IDK if I'd run it in higher keys hto

[tropic cypress]

Higher as in above 15 or

[modern brook]

above 10 tbh

its a meme

if you're doing anything meaningful its not worth while

[tropic cypress]

Man, Im feeling RISKY tho

[exotic belfry]

yeah my weapon is around 164 if i remember correct

[tropic cypress]

As long as I dont get a BS proc I on a bad pack its fine right? and I can just cancel it anyway

[sweet summit]

BS is fine

big damage

[modern brook]

You can still block etc in BS

[tropic cypress]

Damn

So whats the downside?

[uneven mason]

above 10 yeah

[modern brook]

You're just throwing away your consistency for wall/Tlords for lol bs

[uneven mason]

You lose the defenive power of TW/TL

[tropic cypress]

Hmm okay

[exotic belfry]

I should try and get a better weapon then, cause its frustrating having mobs keep on and they de agro.

[uneven mason]

TL is a strong hybrid DPS/defensive lego for us

[tropic cypress]

Is there another lego that makes prot do more dps?

[uneven mason]

get a PVP weapon, exz enough to upgrade to 197

[modern brook]

wall or tolords

[uneven mason]

Thunderlords gives you booming voice twice as often (20% bonus dmg during demo shout)

[tropic cypress]

but 20% of fuck all ??

[exotic belfry]

Is it correct that mobs also randomly target other party members with spells that i cant do anything about?

[uneven mason]

in theory TW also is a DPS buff due ot the RPS gain.

??

[exotic belfry]

@uneven mason Okay i will get that!

[modern brook]

if you wanna pump as a tank reroll to pally or dh now

[tropic cypress]

Nah man, I wonna play warr

[uneven mason]

Then learn to pump revenge

[patent osprey]

Hell yeah

[prime nymph]

So with regard the artificer Xymoc on Mythic. i have some question and just wanted to confirm a few thing
1)Spell reflect can be used on 1 trap? can the mirror be used to clear multiple? from what i udnerstand you stand in it - spell reflect till when it arms
2) you can spell reflect the bouncy bolt?

[silver trout]

is the tooltip on thunderlords incorrect?

[modern brook]

no

you're misreading it

its 4.5 per clap

not overall

[uneven mason]

SR will remove one trap once its active. I wouldn't give up TW or TL for mirror just for traps,
I'd also save SR for destruction since that hurts like hell.

[patent osprey]

1. Yes it can be used on a single trap every set of traps. Usually you want to get the far ones that are off by themselves to help your raid group. You just run up into it with spell reflect on. Make sure u pop it before walking into the trap and not after

[tropic cypress]

The issue I have with TL is that warr doesnt do any dmg anyway so gaining 20% is crap

[uneven mason]

As NF prot I can burst with the best of DPS

[modern brook]

🤷‍♂️

[prime nymph]

can SR do anything to gylph of destruc?

[tropic cypress]

Where as BS and Recklessness?? maybe i get more

[uneven mason]

reduces the hit by 20%

[patent osprey]

it just reduced the damage you take cause of 20%

[prime nymph]

got it

[tropic cypress]

dude this is the warr disc

im asking quesions about warr

[modern brook]

I'm answering them

[tropic cypress]

if i wanted reroll advice id ask

[modern brook]

We dont do the damage of other tank specs

period

end of it

[tropic cypress]

i know we dont

but i can do more

[prime nymph]

thanks warrior boys. super helpful

:)_

[tropic cypress]

if i wanted to compare myself to a prot pala or dh i wouldnt be here

i know they do more dps

[uneven mason]

SO you won't gain a ton from Signet over TW or TL

[tropic cypress]

Im gonna make it anyway for Arms but was wondering thanks

[signal plover]

You can also just sim dps if that's all you're interested in

[uneven mason]

But yeah its not going to hinder you until you start running into keys that hurt a ton

[silver trout]

gotcha. thought it was something like that. I still prefer the wall over it for the feel of it but this is good to know

[tropic cypress]

I was under the impression that BS silenced you like it used to

[uneven mason]

even then you could push, but the difference between TL and Signet will be fairly small in the long run.

[uneven mason]

you can use defensives.

[modern brook]

Most people seem to like the wall more.

[tropic cypress]

See thats sick

[uneven mason]

so SB IP DS LS SW

[modern brook]

it oes

nvm ikari got it

[tropic cypress]

i mean, i could make leaper and just ran off like DHs do

and then im meta?

[modern brook]

unironic yes.

bigger problem in that case is holding aggro

[tropic cypress]

true

[patent osprey]

The problem with leaper is that it will never be useful in m+. It doesn't help with aggro(threat) and it doesn't keep mobs in place at all. For dps to shine, the pack needs to not move for as long as possible. If you are kiting the entire time, the key will take forever

[silver trout]

I have a r4 wall and r3 TL and the wall feels better to me at least

[tropic cypress]

i mean, im never making leaper for anything mythic plus wise tbh

and running away just seems super unwarr like if im honest

i know u have to but still

[modern brook]

no its a HEROIC retreat

stilll v war

[amber herald]

i feel like cooldowns sync a lot better without thunderlords

ravager/demo and avatar

[patent osprey]

Both Legendaries are very good. Just comes down to playstyle and group 🙂

[silent fog]

Can i get any thought on that ? I was thinking ring maybe...

already got the same glove as 220ilvl

[patent osprey]

dont ever pick decanter

[ornate pier]

@silent fog https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/simulationcraft + https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[silent fog]

not worth ?

[undone jacinth]

meh probably the ring

[modern brook]

honestly 6 ilvls on gloves might not be bad either

But the ring is just a hatty stats upgrade

IQD sucks imo too but decanter aint much better

[silent fog]

already done that, giving me the trinket as a result

[patent osprey]

@silent fog the hardest thing about people asking these kinda questions is we don't really get to see your character as a whole vs just which is the biggest upgrade. In the SS above, Id probably choose the ring, but it isn't an informed choice

[silent fog]

true got that

[undone jacinth]

don’t go by sims

not relevant for tanks

[modern brook]

Well you go by sims when you only care about damage

[undone jacinth]

unless it’s a pure dps check

[modern brook]

which is probably why decanter is winning

[undone jacinth]

ofc

[silent fog]

yep...

[modern brook]

most likely replaces the defensive trinket

[undone jacinth]

the gloves are probably the best tbh

what stats are they

[silent fog]

well, i can give you a screenshot of my char if you want

[silent fog]

in the GV or on me ?

[undone jacinth]

u said u had the same ones so?

[patent osprey]

@silent fog Screenshots would also not fully allow me to see your stat weight and each piece of gear. Probably armoury is better?

[undone jacinth]

if you take the gloves you will likely never have to replace them again

that’s what I would do

the ring you may want to replace in the future

[patent osprey]

but yeah id probably go ring from all the info you have given if you are talking pure prot warrior

Haste is really really good

but verse also has a place in your survivability

[silent fog]

i was thinking that at first

[silent fog]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/confrérie-du-thorium/menalas

not a lot of option this week 😄

[patent osprey]

End of the day, you want every piece of gear to have haste verse, so saying a 226 haste crit piece you will never replace isn't really true >.<

[undone jacinth]

it’s less likely is what I said

you’re happier keeping it than the ring, probably

but it’s close enough where I’m not sure it matters a massive amount

I just favoured gloves because of the str too

[chilly brook]

I cry over turning down a super haste heavy/crit ring from my vault

Because 13 ilvl upgrade on chest

[silent fog]

well, i would have love to have a head or chest in mine

[patent osprey]

I took this from my vault this week @chilly brook

just for u

[chilly brook]

That's the exact ring too

[modern brook]

I would call a 226 haste crit done

[undone jacinth]

I had to take crit mastery neck over haste vers socket head on my Druid for dps

[modern brook]

tbh

[undone jacinth]

was very sad

[stoic mural]

Haste Vers? Not Haste Mastery?

[chilly brook]

No mastery is our worst defensive stat

[undone jacinth]

haste mastery if you wanna be a weekly key god

[chilly brook]

Coincidentally it's our best dps secondary

[patent osprey]

Haste verse for the Big keys 🙂

Haste crit for the Imma smash keys

[chilly brook]

Crit big dam

[patent osprey]

i can imagine a big crit with spear of bastion makes everyone smile

[woven burrow]

if you're running 90% M+ and 10% raid, what leggo should you craft ?

[patent osprey]

The wall

[woven burrow]

and is signet good for prot ?

[patent osprey]

cause if you are raiding at all, the wall is the only choice

[chilly brook]

No lol

[uneven mason]

Its fun, I wouldn't say good.

[woven burrow]

cuz i've got a 235 one for arms

[patent osprey]

Its for the memes 🙂 Bladestorming on 15s is fun

[woven burrow]

I mean, assuming you'll talent into ravager using it

[patent osprey]

Just make sure u have a cancel bladestorm macro on your avatar button

[uneven mason]

ravager doesn't proc it

[modern brook]

I have bad news

[chilly brook]

Doesnr work

[patent osprey]

It doesnt u ravager

[uneven mason]

but you should be using ravager anyway

[woven burrow]

WHAT ?

but it works for arms

[chilly brook]

Yea

[uneven mason]

Prot ravager and arms ravager 2 diff spell IDs

[undone jacinth]

we know 😦

[patent osprey]

yeah, it swaps for arms because ravager replaces Bladestorm

[chilly brook]

Either bugged or intentional

[uneven mason]

quite intentional

[patent osprey]

ravager in prot doesn't replace bladestorm 🙂

[stoic mural]

Oh... i aimed for Haste Mastery and thought it was fine but if you say it doesnt work for big keys ill go Vers

[uneven mason]

imagine having double ravager reck and avatar

[chilly brook]

Don't know because blizz hasn't said anything since beta

[uneven mason]

aim for ilvl

[undone jacinth]

it would be too good for Prot

[woven burrow]

How, The, Bloody, Hell

[chilly brook]

Multi dollar indie company

[woven burrow]

brb making a char of a class blizz loves more

[stoic mural]

As usual but i always prefered mastery and its my best stat now ^^

[modern brook]

we might be able to keep up with druids then :^)

[uneven mason]

Blizivision has more indentured servitude interns than the movie industry now

[undone jacinth]

wait someone is behind Druid?

it’s a miracle

[uneven mason]

Blood DKs

[undone jacinth]

true

[uneven mason]

Although I can't confirm that

[undone jacinth]

they are healers though not tanks

[uneven mason]

I literally haven't seen a singleo ne all Xpac

[undone jacinth]

so doesn’t count

[uneven mason]

they tank like healers

[stoic mural]

I'd recommend both. But I think the wall is much value

[modern brook]

Remember all the "I love dk" players from legion smh

[chilly brook]

I still see plenty of blood DKs

[uneven mason]

I remember when Sense ran his DK in the MDI at the start of BFA

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

literally flipped a table IRL

[modern brook]

SMH

i forgot about that betrayal tbh

[undone jacinth]

I still see a few of them due to BFA lag

[modern brook]

we were viable sense 😦

[undone jacinth]

well right sfter that they destroyed dks and Prot was one of the most broken tank specs ever

so it worked out

[stoic mural]

They are no more tanks in SL. You dont say tank, you say i play DH

[woven burrow]

There are two things really preventing me from diving into tanking

• This week affixes
• Being venthyr

[undone jacinth]

being venthyr does not matter

apart from this week basically

[stoic mural]

Plka is venthyr

[woven burrow]

wish i had an extra aoe tool like spear or aftershock

[undone jacinth]

it’s nice but that shouldn’t stop you

[chilly brook]

Bring a hunter

Any and all of your aggro problems are instantly solved

[timber lagoon]

Venthyr feels good to pump on bosses with

[modern brook]

allow me to introduce you to ravager condem openers

[chilly brook]

Assuming you even have any

[stoic mural]

I just switched kyrian and the kiting becomes so much better,kyrian warriors are gonna be ok this week

[woven burrow]

usually, with my usual stomp shockwave opener

[modern brook]

If we're being honest necrotic is a nonaffix in 2021

[woven burrow]

mobs are under 80% hp

[undone jacinth]

using spear to kite 🤢

[woven burrow]

and the above part of condemn is wasted

[silver trout]

condem on bosses is gooood

[stoic mural]

Just used on HoA. Really helped tbh

[modern brook]

if mobs are going down 20% in 2 globals; Spear is wasted tbh

[undone jacinth]

there’s a couple of kite packs in hoa but you do have phial for those too

[patent osprey]

I did a few keys on my stream last night. As long as your not doing crazy high keys, necrotic is ok. Try to be creative with door of shadows this week and you will be fine

[timber lagoon]

Leap, then door back once mobs are close is pog

[patent osprey]

thats the good stuff

[timber lagoon]

Or run with two priests like I do and get two yoinks lol

[undone jacinth]

if there’s literally anybody doing crazy high keys on bolster tyrannical then I feel sorry for them

[stoic mural]

High stacks bolster is the reason i used it on big packs. Necrotic and bleed is fine

[languid heath]

Why didn’t I think of that, thanks!

[patent osprey]

saw some people attacking 18s yesterday. Those are ok

[chilly brook]

Why are you shock waving on the opener?

[undone jacinth]

what do you think the limit is before the depression sinks in

20 DOS sounds like an unsub

[patent osprey]

i think its more the dungeon that than the level. Plaguefall is always depressing on necrotic. 3rd boss necrotic stacks are dumb

[undone jacinth]

yeah I’m kyrian or bear so mostly am ok with that one luckily

[patent osprey]

yeah tyran DOS isn't super fun either. but 15 DOS or things around that are super fine

[stoic mural]

Dont be rude. Its a perfect week to train ahahah ✊

[patent osprey]

Yeah PF necrotic, u have to kinda be kyrian to feel ok

no other way to reset effectively

[undone jacinth]

yup

[patent osprey]

unfortunate

[undone jacinth]

you can get lucky with parry timing, it did happen to me once

[chilly brook]

Just soul shape away

[undone jacinth]

she attacks super slow

[patent osprey]

Ill probably make a video on a PF necrotic week on my youtube channel

just so non kyrian tanks can see

how to somewhat deal with it

or maybe ill just die LOL

[chilly brook]

Oh specifically 3rd biss

[ionic fern]

Step 1: Be dwraf.

[undone jacinth]

I equip thrash Lego and forget necrotic exists xd

[chilly brook]

3rd boss is aids on tyrannical tbh

[sick cedar]

HEllo guys i need some help to choose my loot on chest, i have the choice between a shield +6ilvl and a belt +13 ivll (compare to actual stuff), and i know that shield is really important, so im wondering, thx 🙂

[patent osprey]

mhmm

[chilly brook]

Necrotic is just icing in the aids cake

[patent osprey]

That is a close one. depends on the stats of the items as well, but I personally would probably choose a shield at +6 ilvls

but that is with very little information

[undone jacinth]

no adds should give necrotic

seems like a straight error

[sick cedar]

I will link u image in 2s so you have more info

Belt:

[patent osprey]

polyvalence im guesing is verse lol

[stoic mural]

Fck, just realized i have the Wall R4 haste mastery. Ffs

[sick cedar]

Shield

Yeah sry for french

[patent osprey]

oh no T_T

[undone jacinth]

delete it

[sick cedar]

But the name are pretty the same ^^

[undone jacinth]

start over again

(dont)

[patent osprey]

Shield 🙂

[exotic belfry]

Is haste/vers the only stats you wanna go for legendaries+

[patent osprey]

if you want to do high keys usually yeah

[stoic mural]

Lets play around Thunderlord maybe

[patent osprey]

if you want to just meme or do weekly 15s

u can go haste crit

[stoic mural]

It is Haste Vers. But i feel better with the wall

[exotic belfry]

that does sound like meme

[sick cedar]

Ok thanks you @patent osprey 🙂

[patent osprey]

Im hoping to make the TL legendary in like..... 4 weeks

[exotic belfry]

Got enough ash for 1 r4 item, and the thunderlords seems to be better in m+ but more pref the wall as far as i understood

[stoic mural]

Lets start over a New wall ahaha fck my life want to stop xD

[patent osprey]

its hard being a DPS raider, M+ tanker, PVP player and make legendaries to try

[patent osprey]

Im not 100% sure on why people prefer the wall more TBH. I wonder how many people just look at the highest players and decide whelp thats the legendary im making

[ionic fern]

Majority.

[stoic mural]

Tbh. Thunderlord isnt very insane. But we dont have many choices...

[patent osprey]

do people look at raider io and wonder if they should be a venthyr tank in m+ :/

[exotic belfry]

@patent osprey That i dont know

[patent osprey]

thinking i do some secret tech or something lol

[modern brook]

honestly yes

Thats why 900 people a day ask us about signet

[sick cedar]

Another tight choice for my weapons, i have loot a 210 weapons but stat are meh, should i keep my 207 with good stats?

[modern brook]

as for wall vs Tlords; wall is just consistency and i think that goes a long way for ppl who are used to being global locked

[exotic belfry]

@patent osprey I like the warrior Pikachu picture

[patent osprey]

No I would go ilvl for weapon always

[stoic mural]

Not many prot warriors play The Wall in M+

[modern brook]

this is less tight than you think

[sick cedar]

Can i know the reason?

[patent osprey]

thanks 😄 I had it made specifically for my Stream ^.^ along with other pikachu emotes haha

[modern brook]

weapon damage

its hard to get on other slots and is a huge increase to damage and sruv

[sick cedar]

They add that much?

[modern brook]

yes

[exotic belfry]

@patent osprey Ahhh okay looks cool!

[patent osprey]

Weapon ilvl = more damage = more threat = less dps dying

[sick cedar]

Threat?

[patent osprey]

aggro

[stoic mural]

I saw prot using it. I didnt get it. Its a gimmick

[sick cedar]

yy

i know what it is

i dont need threat

Why the hell a dps should take me aggro

[ionic fern]

...

Then you have not played with decent DPS players.

[patent osprey]

cause fire mage was born T_T

[sick cedar]

Lolz

i talk about raid encounter btw

[patent osprey]

oh.... still though

[gaunt dawn]

Yeah. You can lose threat on pull

[patent osprey]

more damage = bosses dead faster = less you have to tank

[sick cedar]

^^

Ok so i go fury

[gaunt dawn]

Moonkin can easily do 25k dps in the opener

[undone jacinth]

lmao

[sick cedar]

^^ im trolling but ok thx for help

[patent osprey]

im being trolled

[chilly brook]

Tank damage matters

Between the two of us it's almost 10% of a raid encounters damage

[exotic belfry]

I heard raid tanking is boring and m+ tanking is the real deal, is it mostly a pref or is it true?

[chilly brook]

Just sayin

[sick cedar]

YEah i know that tank dmg matters, but we are not all building crit for tank dmg (not yet)

[patent osprey]

Maybe I leave the question answering to the experts like @chilly brook @undone jacinth @ionic fern haha

[chilly brook]

Oh no

Plz don't

I'm a dummy

A toxic boi

[undone jacinth]

we troll each other more than anyone else most likely

[modern brook]

honestly smh

this is why i need yellow.

[ionic fern]

Same.

[stoic mural]

Cmon griff, it is necrotic week youre free

[uneven mason]

@modern brook I found it

[modern brook]

raid tanking is spending 6+ hours a week watching dps fail to grasp basic concepts; m+ tanking is trying desperately hard to hold aggro while 40 yds away from the pull

[chilly brook]

Wdym?

[modern brook]

cursed

[chilly brook]

I'm trying to free myself by playing dps

[exotic belfry]

@modern brook Seems like both are ways to lose my hair in frustration

[modern brook]

Welcome to tanking

[sick sentinel]

does bloody javelin works on boss

[modern brook]

yes

[fierce tendon]

not wrong, I've GPS tour guided dps while tanking to move to correct spots for inerva triangles

[modern brook]

m+ tanking generally requires a stronger understanding of your spec due to the affixes and the fact that the scaling never ends

Raid is awkward for tanks because the gear checks are bianry

either you die or you dont

Once you know your taunt swaps and positioning

there isnt much else to do

[fierce tendon]

other than switxh to AM and try to parse high lul

[chilly brook]

@patent osprey what dps do I reroll to

[modern brook]

^

Just big pumping yeh

[sick cedar]

Dont be rude, we have to place the boss too :x

[uneven mason]

thats what positioning is

[modern brook]

got it covered :^)

[sick cedar]

Oh yeah read too fast, well u get it all so ^^

[uneven mason]

I make sure to place sludge so my ranged stack gets yanked through as many piles of crap every chain slam as possible

[chilly brook]

Maybe I should just go boomie

[uneven mason]

if you ask them that is what they'd tell you.

[chilly brook]

Can't mess up pressing one button every 2 minutes amirite

[ionic fern]

I'm gearing my frost mage this week cause i wanna be special.

[undone jacinth]

trialling for new guild... do I re-enchant my gear for dps to get +50dps or do I keep the enchants that work for tank and dps

[fierce tendon]

I run sludge into wall so my healers can parse good

[uneven mason]

Frost - when you want to do tank like damage but take damage like wet newspaper

[modern brook]

good friend tbh

[ionic fern]

It actually does pretty..solid damage. 😦