Why won't i?
#protection
visual drift
undone jacinth
kyrian conduits are mostly bad too
undone jacinth
Why won't i?
because you’re casting ravager on pull not on top of yourself
visual drift
hm i guess i charge, use thunderclap then ravager
undone jacinth
you should ravager before you charge
jagged pier
u rav before you charge
silent fog
for example
visual drift
ah okay
silent fog
you should ravager before you charge
i dont do that often, i'm bad i guess 😦
undone jacinth
just wasting a gcd, threat and rage
silent fog
yeah, i just realized that...
undone jacinth
easy to fix
visual drift
Okay, make sense
silent fog
clearly
visual drift
Since i use bolster i'm thinking useing ravager for more thread since unstoppable force seems to be not in good use
visual drift
so into fray or ravager
on the videos i take a look they use ravager random after pull :/
jagged pier
ITF for raiding rav for m+
undone jacinth
and now you know better than them!
visual drift
Okay. Thank you
Even if i reached ilv 20x now
it feels like i could avoid them all for the way to hit m+10-.-
versed bough
Question guys
If Im talking really heavy damag
Should I still pop shield block
or just spam the hell out ignore pain?
jagged pier
if its phyiscal yes
ionic fern
Ignore Pain is NOT your primary mitigation tool
jagged pier
SB is our MAIN MITIGATION
heavy sail
IP helps ease out the gaps and add a little layer of cushion
It’s not an actual mitigation tool
versed bough
Im still having a hard time when Shield block is up
ended up spamming IP in the process
jagged pier
Im still having a hard time when Shield block is up
in what situation and where/when is this happening?
/ do u have logs?
heavy sail
That would be helpful
versed bough
wait
jagged pier
just saying your taking heavy damage isnt helpful
jagged pier
u need to run logs to log anything your doing
heavy sail
Again I have no idea what you’re referring to.
jagged pier
^^
undone jacinth
tell us where the mobs touched you
versed bough
lets just say the Sanguine corridors
jagged pier
theres a lot of ground effects and traps etc
versed bough
Im not fast enuf to turn the cammeras
jagged pier
but cant tell if you standing in them as no logs
strong forum
Only time you kite in sanguine corridors is to leap away from the gargoyle smash and to get away from the shadow claw cunts
🤔
Everything else is pretty free
versed bough
well
You really cant give a thorough guide if I cant give logs
I'll just proceed to another question
heavy sail
Sure
versed bough
Can I Macro target mouseover and at cursor at the same time?
undone jacinth
wut
strong forum
Yes, it'll prio whatever comes first in the macro, but what do you want to mouseover and that can be aimed at cursor
versed bough
Yes
strong forum
Yes but what
versed bough
Yes
heavy sail
strong forum
Like, if it's for heroic leap the mouse over does nothing
versed bough
oh okay
heavy sail
The mouse over bit is pointless
golden pollen
Any one know why they took out iron maiden conduit?
heavy sail
Because it’s not targeted
undone jacinth
because it was actually good
jagged pier
Any one know why they took out iron maiden conduit?
cause at high ilvl it would be busted
strong forum
Literally just cuz fuck you
undone jacinth
and Prot doesn’t get good
versed bough
Whats with the iron maiden conduit?
undone jacinth
go and do some deep wounds please sir
strong forum
Or in general
undone jacinth
It will heal you I promise
sweet summit
Revenge had a x% chance to refound a SB charge
strong forum
^
heavy sail
best conduit and prot warrior in the same sentence
golden pollen
Would've been a feel good conduit
undone jacinth
woulda been op
heavy sail
Our conduits are cheeks man
undone jacinth
tbh
heavy sail
Pure cheeks
sweet summit
It did
strong forum
Well yes but not to absurd amounts
versed bough
I WANT IT BACK
sweet summit
But not a lot
versed bough
PRot war is squishy
heavy sail
strong forum
Not if I play it 
sweet summit
It was like 12% or 8% at max rank? I dont really remember
golden pollen
Is that the only conduit that they removed? Did other class got same treatment?
strong forum
Somewhere around 10% I think
sweet summit
It got replaced by fueled by voilence
Like a warrior without a covenant ability
But you pump pride and bosses
ionic fern
But you pump pride and bosses
Laughs in SD last boss.
strong forum
golden pollen
Looking forward to the dungeon nerf tmrw tho
heavy sail
golden pollen
I don't like the gauntlet before the boss
strong forum
Multiple times
golden pollen
Feels annoying to go thru it
strong forum
Ye not a single tank likes those packs
sweet summit
FUCK jumpyboys
strong forum
Besides bear
golden pollen
I just can't imagine a dk doing that shit on a necrotic week as well
strong forum
Idk it's not a challenge
Just fucking unfun
Just go slow, go pack by pack
And your healer can't drink
golden pollen
I wonder if there is gonna be more tuning after the week
strong forum
Absolutely
sweet summit
golden pollen
Oh God no
jagged pier
KSM gunna ez now that mount will be everywhere
golden pollen
Why nerf mist
strong forum
Mists cuz bugs
heavy sail
Still surprised that DoS completely dodged tuning pass
golden pollen
I think they should remove the mini boss before last boss of spire
Fuck 3 shadow of zul back to back
heavy sail
Lol
heavy sail
Pretty heavily iirc
strong forum
The dmg taken increase is nerfed by 50%
And they don't get affected by certain affixes
And that 3sec death period is changed
golden pollen
Which affix were they affected by
rapid tide
It's definitely simpler now.
3rd one still gonna be really nasty on 18+ Fort
strong forum
Sanguine, spiteful and... Smth Smth
ionic fern
Wasn't it also bolstering? SInce if you pulled too fast it bolstered the new one?
heavy sail
Yep
golden pollen
Oh God I hope not
heavy sail
Pretty sure anyway
golden pollen
Can't wait till the weekend to get runs in to feel the nerfs
strong forum
It'll be tyr, so mobs will be alot easier on you as a tank
Than currently
So keep that in mind when doing feelycraft
heavy sail
Bolster, necrotic, tyrannical
astral crystal
necro/bolster/tyr, right?
strong forum
Ah
golden pollen
Oh my fucking god
strong forum
Nice skip week
golden pollen
Fuck SD this week
golden pollen
Fun week for ToP tho
strong forum
I just want a reason to play m+
strong forum
And also not get massively dicked down
jagged pier
there isnt one :keksquad:
astral crystal
eh, kyrian pot makes necrotic bearable
strong forum
heavy sail
Tyrannical + Necrotic is very much not poggers though
1 minute cooldown on it is nuts @astral crystal
Like actual insanity
astral crystal
yeah you have it up for every bad pack
golden pollen
There's only one fight I have issue with for necrotic, stupid patchwork boss in top
golden pollen
Hard to drop stack with those adds
astral crystal
that boss does a lot of shit that causes him to stop attacking
steady spruce
You can't use tree insinde buildings right? making it useless in dungeons like SD
steady spruce
dunno i read that on reddit
gaunt dawn
probably competitivewow
where all the great minds meet
and share their recipes for tap water
sweet summit
:))
sweet summit
That room is just bugged with pet taunts
Treants/earthele wouldnt taunt
Idk if its fixed
steady spruce
oh allright
strong forum
Cuz the necropolis is shitty coded
The floor isn't exactly floor
So pets are majorly fucked therr
And ground effects
In beta pets would never move
You wouldn't be able to heroic leap there, cuz floor didn't register was usable surface, but you could stand on it
amber herald
you guys seen the m+ nerfs? pretty big
steady spruce
i'm curious if the miniboss nw nerf will change routes
hazy fern
Link the nerf please that sounds exciting
amber herald
hazy fern
I love doing dungeons I just hate how stupid hard they are
amber herald
I like that you can keep the items after death now, but idk seems very heavy handed
valid zodiac
To be honest for NW that weapon change is the only thing that was needed.
amber herald
That's what I was thinking, both that and the nerfs seem like it'll be too easy
steady spruce
Yup best change in the tuning
amber herald
having to brick the key because 1 dps died was shit
valid zodiac
I think they were afraid of the upcoming week's participation with the Bolstering and Necrotic lol
steady spruce
Magrave and Tarvold nerf are very welcome, not sure about SD first boss
Wow corpse collector and Harvester health reduced by 30% huge
amber herald
was SD first boss a problem boss?
steady spruce
on tyrannical he could be yes
amber herald
I know on 15< keys people were running 80yds away for severing lol
hazy fern
Nerf DoS first couple of mobs too please
steady spruce
All the necropolis pack has been heavily nerfed that's great
But yeah weird that DOS trashmob excaped the nerf hammer
orchid frigate
what i dont like with DoS is that mob that beams people off the platform
hard to see sometimes where he's aiming with all going on 😦
steady spruce
First NW Boss adds been nerfed too, didn't feel necessary but still feels great
Agreed, hard to see where he's looking at
His Tank-bursting cast is still a problem
hazy fern
No reason for me to die while I’m building Agro on mobs smh ffs
orchid frigate
😦
sterile moss
But yeah weird that DOS trashmob excaped the nerf hammer
^
I'm happy to see the longer cast times for frostbolt volley lol
maybe we can actually get interrupts in time now
steady spruce
dunno i just make sure they are hard cc
Waiting for the trap/shackles/repentance before pulling
sterile moss
from my experience I can't expect those in the Amarth fight though
we got an extra .5 seconds now 😛
steady spruce
you can with a good group
but if not just make sure to bring the boss and other adds on the mage
sterile moss
mages*
hazy fern
Another thing is the lack of loot from raiding I clear entire heroic raid for only on piece upgrade and a 213 trash in vault kinda under rewarding to me
sterile moss
by now I've just accepted that fact that gear comes from the vault
lol
unless you mythic raid or pvp
steady spruce
But i don't really like raids that much, too many mechanics on retail for me.
I wanna dps, not stand in puddles
sterile moss
the annoying thing for me is that raid success hinges on everyone else's performance while you and co-tank mindlessly taunt swap
only a couple fights are actually interesting for tanks I feel
orchid frigate
raid tanking is a bit boring
sterile moss
yeah
orchid frigate
thats why i dps in raids and tank (kite) in m+
steady spruce
Yeah M+ bosses are more interesting than most raid bosses as tank
Actually i haven't tanked enough raid bosses to make that kind of statement ^^
hazy fern
They all seem fine to me. It’s the team work and strategy as a whole that appeals to me
polar radish
imagine a raid version of gorechop
steady spruce
Classic ruined my team spirit i guess ahaha
just want to parse as a dumbass
need to change that
finite prairie
Question about halls
What do you guys do at the ledge with the hunter pack directly under it? Jump or stairs/ramp? With spiteful and volcanic this week jumping down was rough because we had no room to move. Ramp was awkward with the spiteful spawn.
signal plover
parsing in classic is the climax of player stupidity
sterile moss
Question about halls
What do you guys do at the ledge with the hunter pack direc...
it's easier to move if you take on that pack of little guys also
finite prairie
That makes sense
orchid frigate
this working from home takes it's toll on my ears from constantly wearing a headset
whole isle
Hey guys, im using signet on my offspec prot during M+ just for more dmg. But can you parry/dodge as usual during bladestorm?
jagged pier
yes
steady spruce
@signal plover i mean there is nothing else to do lol
uneven mason
TFW you can solo tank Sludgefist post 30% but your DPS can't manage to not die to cave ins
midnight jetty
is crit any good for prot war?
jagged pier
not really
midnight jetty
aight ok, just haste vers
midnight jetty
nah this is just for mythic raiding
uneven mason
people should be basing their stat points
midnight jetty
mainswapping to help guild out
uneven mason
ah ok, so yeah, ilvl > haste > vers >= crit > mastery
midnight jetty
aight thanks
signal plover
<@!122145729765572608> i mean there is nothing else to do lol
#shrug
strong forum
jagged pier
hahaha
mine have done that to me im just like im off to bed got work torrow XD
when all of them are students and have all the time during the week
uneven mason
IDK what that is, like, I raid on monday, and there are people in my guild like "Oh after raid can you tank a few dungeons?"
No I'm old, its 11PM.
jagged pier
also the same with me
tardy sequoia
Guys i've gathered some logs, can someone read it for me?
like mistakes etc
its a +12 out of time SoA
distant crystal
M+ log analysis 📉
tardy sequoia
please don't take in account the last wipe cause 2 people talked to the woman and 2 prideful spawned
strong forum
Man it's hard trying to find good windwalkers
jagged pier
low last stand useage and you only block 55% of melees against you should work on using sb more effeicently
but thats at a quick look
strong forum
Malachi you absolute need to use more shield Slams
You cast only 6 shield slams per minute
jagged pier
damage looks really low esepically with TL as well
strong forum
~10 is recommended
And TC should be around 8 cpm
Yours is at 5
So you're legit missing like 40% of possible rage gain
Which in turn is then a dps and survival loss
And youre overcapping rage alot
Almost 10% of the rage you gained you overcapped
All those things play into why your dps is so low aswell
tardy sequoia
so i have low shield slam and low thunder clap usage
strong forum
Absolutely
And you overcap alot of rage
Those 3 points alone, will improve your gameplay alot
strong forum
tardy sequoia
what's this?
neat dirge
@strong forum to senpai, when I do my opener, or there are moments when I'm really high on rage
strong forum
Ye thats natural
neat dirge
What's Ur recommended way to spend it?
neat dirge
Okey
strong forum
While spamming revenge
tardy sequoia
but i thought TC and SS were for damage
neat dirge
Revenge spam is my specialty
tardy sequoia
as you can see I died as well
neat dirge
Unless target is under 20
strong forum
Not if you overcap on rage
neat dirge
tardy sequoia
i always were using shield block
neat dirge
TC gives 5 rage
And with the thunderlord legendary
It's even more rage
Cuz booming voice
uneven mason
TC is ugh
neat dirge
I recommend using a weak aura
tardy sequoia
how can I improve?
neat dirge
If u already arnt
uneven mason
saying its for damage is like saying ignore pain is a survival CD
neat dirge
@tardy sequoia do u have weak auras?
tardy sequoia
yeah i am using weakaura
neat dirge
Ok nice
jagged pier
i always were using shield block
you might be using it, but not correctly you are pretty much 50/50 on blocking hits where you can get upto 75%
covert monolith
Ooo, is a good wa recommendation coming?
young glen
I like Sense WA
neat dirge
I use luxthros WA but modified a bit
undone jacinth
You just aren’t casting your spells... you don’t ravager before pull or sometimes you don’t ravager at all, you don’t spear of bastion or avatar on pull and do it a bit randomly... you clap more than you shield slam and you randomly cast battle shout sometimes, you used 11 last stands in 50minutes @tardy sequoia
neat dirge
To my own liking
covert monolith
Thanks
sweet summit
Dont need to
tardy sequoia
i combine ravager and SoB sometimes
neat dirge
Easier for me to know when I can do it
undone jacinth
it’s not about combining, it’s just about using
neat dirge
Yeah I made a WA that pops up
sweet summit
Just like most WAs dont show IP, only the buff ya feel?
neat dirge
When it's usable
undone jacinth
you didn’t cast your first ravager til a few minutes in to the dungeon from what I saw
tardy sequoia
it's always on cooldown
strong forum
@tardy sequoia aim to use spear, avatar, ravager, shield slam and thunderclap on cooldown
You should have almost 50 spear uses in 49minutes
Maybe around 40
jagged pier
your first avatar was 55 seconds into the dungeon thats a cast right there you missed
tardy sequoia
Maybe around 40
how many had I?
strong forum
30
hazy fern
Is there a ranking of easiest current dungeons to do in m+
tardy sequoia
is there some button i am pressing too many times?
young glen
NW is gonna be piss easy after the nerfs
strong forum
Na not really
Just press more
Really
It's as simple as that
Press more buttons and you will do better
tardy sequoia
is that the reason I die so easily?
strong forum
It's a part of it
neat dirge
The pull where u jump down
undone jacinth
there’s a lot of reasons but start with the basics
neat dirge
Bleed hits so hard
mental scarab
Kyrian🤌🏻
strong forum
Ye you have to kite or kyrian potion those
tardy sequoia
what are some other reasons?
strong forum
Low dps
neat dirge
Yeah but area to kite is so tight
tardy sequoia
like sometimes i feel really like paper
sweet summit
what pull?
tardy sequoia
that's why i'm here
strong forum
Low dps a huge factor in feeling weak
undone jacinth
doesn’t help that your healer can’t seem to heal pride
neat dirge
HoA when u jump down into the bear pack + goblins
strong forum
I don't do that Pull surewin
sweet summit
group number?
strong forum
It's a death sentence
undone jacinth
but your team has a lot of deaths to just melee... maybe spiteful?
strong forum
You jump down to the bottom of the stairs
tardy sequoia
I don't know, I usually end up in bad groups don't know why
neat dirge
Take the pat?
strong forum
Yes
neat dirge
I see
tardy sequoia
Maybe I only got 900 rio and so onluy bad people want me in
tardy sequoia
that could be the reason
sweet summit
wtf where in spires is this im lost
sweet summit
oh ok
neat dirge
It's my most hated pull in m+
sweet summit
we have pride there so it just dies
steady spruce
You can pull them on the plate-forme
sweet summit
so fast
steady spruce
Or skip this pack and to the patrolling one instead
strong forum
@tardy sequoia maybe check out "sense-nurfed" on YouTube, I also have like 3 vods up on Youtube of current keys
Maybe that can help you
Watching our buttons
Or pulls
tardy sequoia
i look his video always
neat dirge
Ok I'll check your videos
steady spruce
pro-tips: watch the mdi and do the exact same pull as they do
neat dirge
I'm always up for improving
steady spruce
your healer will thank you
strong forum
I have a hoa 16 up actually
sweet summit
dont
strong forum
Surewin
strong forum
Is a bit pepega
neat dirge
Imma study that, I suck ass at hoa
strong forum
But kinda aight
neat dirge
Hey anything is better then me
I hate HoA I struggle mad
On that one and it's not my gear
It's littrarly my skill
steady spruce
HoA can be harsh for tank but it's good practise dungeon
tardy sequoia
so which spell_to start_ should i focus more to cast?
jagged pier
again you also need to pay attention to SB usage looks like you spam it too much
steady spruce
btw do you demo shout on opening or do you use SS + another spell before that?
tardy sequoia
i spam too much SB?
jagged pier
you only block 50% of melees
uneven mason
using SB when you're not being melee'd
strong forum
Ravager-demo-spear
tardy sequoia
i DS usually (i think) reality is different than what i think i do
tardy sequoia
again you also need to pay attention to SB usage looks like you spam it too much
sorry i didn't understand, i use SB too much or too few?
uneven mason
"we're walking? yeah, I guess we're RP walking this fight"
You SB when you don't need SB
jagged pier
sorry i didn't understand, i use SB too much or too few?
your not using it correctly
tardy sequoia
I SB when i'm actively tanking, so always in M+
strong forum
You overuse SB, and then run out of charges when you would need it
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
Need to greed it a bit
tardy sequoia
You overuse SB, and then run out of charges when you would need it
that's the truth
tardy sequoia
Take 1-2seconds of downtime
that's useful thanks i'll try that
strong forum
Have to tease the SB button a bit
If you have alot of rage, you can also cover a few globals with IP instead
hazy fern
So I should use SB before a melee right lol?
strong forum
Yes
But sometimes 1 or 2 melee hits are fine to take without SB up
You can greed it a bit if you're more experienced
hazy fern
Ignore pain on magic damage ?
hazy fern
Ok
tardy sequoia
where do i spend my rage incorrectly? revenge?
or maybe ONLY not generating enough
strong forum
Experience
tardy sequoia
like you said
strong forum
Is what you need
You're missing like 40-50% rage
In Generation
Once you got that down, you will find more globals to press more revenges
And ignore pain
You gotta find a healthy balance with rage usage
There is no blanket answer
hazy fern
Ok
strong forum
Practice and experience is what will help you the most
tardy sequoia
i play but don't improve
neat dirge
@strong forum nice route, never seen it before
strong forum
Between deciding between IP and Revenj
tardy sequoia
that's the matter
i play this class for 4 years (mostly 2 months then quit)
so not really 4 years but some months, like 2 months in 2018, 2 months in 2020 and now
strong forum
Hm..
neat dirge
@tardy sequoia think of your abillitys as Priority
strong forum
I can only tell you, look more at your buttons and rage bar
tardy sequoia
really i read guides on Icyveins, wowhead and look vids on youtube
but i'm really slow at pressing buttons then
neat dirge
Highest priority is your rage meter
It should never be full
2nd highest priority is your offensive cooldown
tardy sequoia
also there's a lot going on on screen
tardy sequoia
like take aggro - forgot rotation - make mistakes - dead
neat dirge
Practice makes perfect homie
neat dirge
Keep grinding
tardy sequoia
i mainly focus on taking aggro because i really feel like i lose it (which happens)
neat dirge
It'll come
strong forum
Legit just need more practice
neat dirge
Ask hunters to MD you
I play with 2 hunters in m+
Hehe
2 hunters, hpala, monk
Really solid setup except warrior tank
Sadge
tardy sequoia
i play only in pugs because my guildmates are noobs, can't time +8
except for a solid group which have formed
neat dirge
Find a couple of solid friends that are good and play with them on a daily basis
tardy sequoia
but they are like elites they only stay in the same discord room
strong forum
I'd recommend my +12 plaguefall on YouTube, that key I did on 179 ilvl and we timed it
strong forum
With 209 ilvl, you shouldn't struggle to time 8s...
tardy sequoia
so fuck them i say i pug groups
frail wyvern
if you are finding the content too difficult, do something easier. Do lower level keys (3 or 4) to build your skill and confidence, plus your understanding of the different trash packs/bosses
tardy sequoia
no i timed almost all +11s
frail wyvern
I mean if you are doing +12 you are probably being too harsh on yourself right now
tardy sequoia
you wonder how i built that with my shitty playstile lol
too harsh?? as Nom said i could time 15s
plus today I noticed there's a lot of room where I can improve
ffs
frail wyvern
Always room to improve for sure, even for the big dickers
sick sentinel
if im lucky i'll have a 216 haste vers waiting for me
tardy sequoia
i dont think it's the abilities, routes etc
is that I don't press enough buttons
so i should start from there
sterile moss
Am I being told... to kite... less?
cinder nova
BUT IT'S SO COOL
strong forum
Am I being told... to kite... less? <:weird:718676218500874320>
Wowa for warrior isn't properly supported anymore
cinder nova
I thought it did pretty respectable damage 🤔
strong forum
Especially for m+ it's not even close to being updated
sterile moss
Ah. I thought it was set up relatively recently by someone here
strong forum
I thought it did pretty respectable damage 🤔
Cube is sim pad
For some dps specs it's good
Not for tanks
wild sandal
is kelia good to play or should i stick to pelgos all time?
strong forum
Ah. I thought it was set up relatively recently by someone here
Abe stopped working on wowa because its now behind a paywall
sterile moss
Ouch
strong forum
is kelia good to play or should i stick to pelgos all time?
Pepegos is generally better and has currently more conduits anyway
subtle oak
Thanks!
wild sandal
thanks Nom
vestal moat
226 anima field emitter or 226 ring crit haste or 226 inscrutable? mostly doing keys
vestal moat
never seems like i can get much value from anima field in keys cause always moving but it does seem temtiong
cinder nova
anime field is stronk
midnight stone
anima field
modern brook
is kelia good to play or should i stick to pelgos all time?
Kleia doesn't compete until the itf crit ability, and even then I think pellys ahead
vestal moat
I think necrotic is this week though. imma go kleia for that if it is.
wild sandal
Kleia doesn't compete until the itf crit ability, and even then I think pellys a...
thanks ill stick to pelogs, just thought kleia might help the healer if we strugle on healing
modern brook
I'll be running kleia when I get the crit stuff just so I dont have to keep respecting for pvp
Fwiw
cinder nova
So @strong forum What's the breakdown why inscrutable is doo doo
Because it's so tempting
sick sentinel
necro bolster tyranical
modern brook
P sure its cause the mastery is harder to meet the requirements for as a tank? And the other options are stinky
cinder nova
What do you mean
sterile moss
there's the 3 min cd iirc
tardy sequoia
@strong forum can swapping to the Wall improving surv a bit or it's just placebo and i should continue to stick with thunderlord?
uneven mason
TW is definetly a survivability boost over TL
jagged pier
its a boost but it will not make or break anything most of your survivability comes from play not gear or stats @tardy sequoia
uneven mason
yeah with conduit and AM I have wall at 1min for raiding and 1:40ish for M+
modern brook
Honestly it's the rage on ss that makes it such a good survival boost the silly sw cooldown is icing
jagged pier
yeah with conduit and AM I have wall at 1min for raiding and 1:40ish for M+
u can get it to 1:30 without AM
sterile moss
come on. TL gives big rage
modern brook
Tlord gives it in bursts though and frankly were flush with cds that give rage
cinder nova
Not enough to outpace TW iirc
tardy sequoia
its a boost but it will not make or break anything most of your survivability co...
thanks i'm looking for something to ease my situation a bit while improving my gameplay
cinder nova
Also yeah, bursts of rage is nice, but the steady flow is stronger
sick sentinel
i've already maxed TL and i have 1500 SA
cinder nova
It improves our baseline
sick sentinel
i got rank 1 TW, so i can probably do at least 1 or 2 TW ranks this wwek
modern brook
I just dumped all my ash into rank 3 sephuz for pvp lol
sick sentinel
already have the next upgrade crafted piece in inventory
tardy sequoia
really it's just something to make rotation and rage gain a bit smoother
so that surv it's a little less of an issue
uneven mason
u can get it to 1:30 without AM
yeah, you can, I'm just saying avg
modern brook
Lol
dull zodiac
the cheatsheet ;d
uneven mason
ilvl for M+ tanking
dull zodiac
obviously
modern brook
@ionic fern why didnt you include the ilvl rider in the chest sheet
uneven mason
do slimes in PF bolster?
cinder nova
Yes.
uneven mason
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
cinder nova
It's ass.
restive flax
placid oar
Hi guys, for M+ tanking. Is it still ideal to follow the ilvl > secondary stat rule even for neck and rings?
I’m equipping a ilvl 207 neck with high haste over my 211 mastery with socket neck with no haste. And I’m also using a 210 haste ring instead of a 226 Crit ring with no haste.
placid oar
Ahh
uneven mason
none of our stats are bad
uneven mason
It might be close, but 16 ilvls is a really big stretc
placid oar
Cos if I equipped all my highest ilvl gear my haste will drop to 13% instead of 23%
I see
Can you kindly share the general rule where it is actually alright to forgo ilvl for secondary stats?
dawn imp
what do you guys think, weap or helm?
uneven mason
on rings/necks I'd say 10 would be a fair amount if you're talking high haste vs 0 haste.
but socket is worth a solid chunk of ilvl
placid oar
I see, thanks again!
lofty widget
what do you guys think, weap or helm?
weapon for sure
placid oar
So for my chest, do I still equip a 7 ilvl higher chest or the one with better secondary?
solemn magnet
Ilvl
uneven mason
what do you guys think, weap or helm?
Shield > weapon > Chest > legs > shoulders=Helm iirc for priority in slots
placid oar
but hows your effective SB uptime?
So far it’s okay. I’m getting better with experience. SB CD is still 14secs for both haste levels
placid oar
Ah I see
sleek radish
we are going to kill stone generals hc today. I´m just woundering, in p3 when both bosses are up when clearing the bleed debuff as a tank, should the other tank have both bosses on him or do you tank grashaa while stunned by crystalise?
placid oar
Thanks again guys
simple mural
I'm ready to buy some 213 gear, this boy hit 1600 in 3v3 arena last night.
shy zodiac
Shield > weapon > Chest > legs > shoulders=Helm iirc for priority in slots
so going 200 to 207 shield would be recommended vs 200 to 210 weapon? Got both in my vault
lofty widget
shield is the biggest upgrade for survivability, weapon for dmg iirc
so shield tends to be the go-to
shy zodiac
yeah, I simmed both, not sure what I was expecting ofc the weapon won. Guild is progressing heroic raid atm and I could probably use the chonk more than damage. thanks
spiral wave
i feel like my guild is intentional not doing bosses that drop shields
uneven mason
I feel like bosses are intentionally programmed to not drop shields.
lofty widget
havent seen a single shield token since week 1
lofty widget
we share tokens with monks and rogues tho right?
uneven mason
that was the first 2 kills on Artificer, haven't had one drop since.
for weapons
shields are a diff token
lofty widget
ah thought it was shared between the same classes
hazy fern
Yes he will have both bosses
modern brook
so going 200 to 207 shield would be recommended vs 200 to 210 weapon? Got both i...
if you want to get big brained you take the weapon becuase you can get a 207 shield fairly easily through pvp to 1400
hazy fern
Then swap soon as you finish soaking
undone jacinth
I feel like bosses are intentionally programmed to not drop shields.
Did you see?
Your solution worked
chilly brook
Idk whether to feel good about 2.6k overall on my 181 ret pally or not
undone jacinth
That’s what mine does in mists
chilly brook
I feel like bosses are intentionally programmed to not drop shields.
They're intentionally programmed to just not drop anything
undone jacinth
it does the same damage as my 220 bear tbh
chilly brook
undone jacinth
if I can get it to 220 I’m pretty sure I’ll be doing 10k
uneven mason
That’s what mine does in mists
It literally worked for the protadin I raid with as well, I told him to spec holy before he opened our 11 mists lastnight and he got a shield
chilly brook
I'm also running like a 160ish weapon
chilly brook
More nerfing of torghast eh?
undone jacinth
thank fuck
chilly brook
Also I like the dungeon nerfs but like wheres the rest of the dungeons?
undone jacinth
If they aren’t gonna add new powers just nerf it to the ground
Most of the big offenders got hit
Risen bonesoldiers need a touch though
sterile moss
they fixed a few dungeons then got bored
undone jacinth
They seemingly spent all their time thinking of things in NW to nerf
modern brook
Also I like the dungeon nerfs but like wheres the rest of the dungeons?
wheres the removal of spiteful
garbo affix
uneven mason
I'd rather have spiteful over whats coming next week
sterile moss
Seeing as they spent so much time on NW, it's crazy they didn't fix the necropolis trees/ele bug
modern brook
Nah they just ruined rogues last bit of fun
chilly brook
garbo affix
Agreed
undone jacinth
Seeing as they spent so much time on NW, it's crazy they didn't fix the necropol...
That would help tanks
sterile moss
Yeah, what was I thinking
undone jacinth
I dunno if you noticed how no tank mechanics got changed xd
modern brook
I'd rather have spiteful over whats coming next week
Necrotic/Bolstering are difficult and you play around them
undone jacinth
all group damage or health
modern brook
SPiteful is either a) competely irrelevent b) one shots your melee because they have a 55yd melee range and attack before the spawn animation is finished
its stupid and dumb
strong forum
Current week is prolly the easiest week across all weeks
Next week one of the hardest
chilly brook
I dunno if you noticed how no tank mechanics got changed xd
Of all the things to nerf in plaguefall you're not gonna touch the unavoidable tank damage that literally no one can mitigate from basically every mob
Like smh
undone jacinth
Next weeks affixes are perfect because you get 3 out of the way by uninstalling WoW for only 1 week
chilly brook
They really want tanks to quit I swear
sterile moss
spiteful: how to enforce kiting on non-tank members of the group as well LUL
patent osprey
Next push week is ideally 5 weeks away 🙂
modern brook
Spiteful is also super inconsistent with what cc works on it
undone jacinth
they seem to be happy with tanks damage intake 😂
chilly brook
Next push week is ideally 5 weeks away 🙂
Think about how toxic that statement is in reality
modern brook
ie: I can blind them or entangling roots them
but Warlock fear breaks from their ticking damage
?????
undone jacinth
what’s the next fort week?
chilly brook
Blizz literally removing your ability to play the content youd like to play essentially for 5 weeks
👀
uneven mason
what’s the next fort week?
storming
undone jacinth
+?
uneven mason
thats all you need to know
modern brook
lol
patent osprey
storming inspiring
undone jacinth
storming is whatever
modern brook
inspiring fort is going to be awwkard
undone jacinth
ok that’s toxic
uneven mason
if its still bugged
chilly brook
At least with storming you can just move away from them
uneven mason
and will 1 shot healers
chilly brook
But storming is still ass
Middle of your heroic leap spawn under you and get you killed
undone jacinth
the thing about storming is even if it’s easy... getting knocked about is just the worst thing in WoW
uneven mason
Middle of your heroic leap spawn under you and get you killed
☝️
chilly brook
Had it happen more than once
uneven mason
happens a lot
been nailed mid intercept too
trying to kite
it "Noped" me right into the sky
sterile moss
how about storming spawning inside the stradama tank circle that you need to soak
so stupid
chilly brook
Storming actively fucks you on mechanics
undone jacinth
Inspiring fort could be wack but a lot of inspiring were put in decent spots tbh
modern brook
Honestly im really glad they're trying to throw in new affixes
But all 3 of the new ones suck
chilly brook
They went the wrong way
modern brook
Spiteful is dog shit
modern brook
Inspiring takes the worst affix from Emissaries and storming is just busted
undone jacinth
they are really some of the worst things they could choose
chilly brook
We want interesting affixes
undone jacinth
who played kings rest and said wow this could be a rewarding affix
what psychopath
modern brook
"people's favorite thing is to have packs with "missed interrupt = wipe" mechanics and not being able to hit the interrupt"
chilly brook
Like they removed teeming
But didnt replace it with reaping
Like that's such an easy swap
uneven mason
reaping was amazing back when we had 👢 🍵 👏
"tons of adds, sure, I'll make the DPS cry again"
modern brook
and you didnt have to play virgin specs to actually deal aoe damage
chilly brook
and you didnt have to play virgin specs to actually deal aoe damage
I'm so torn between ret or outlaw
Outlaw with count the odds
👌
modern brook
Count the odds is a feels good for sure
though tbh RTB rng is actually higher than it was in bfa
cause of how front loaded damage is into TB/BS
Ret is a paladin and is therefor a nerd
so the answer is p clear in my eyes
chilly brook
The worst feeling is when you're between packs waiting for the pull and you get back to back adrenaline rush procs
modern brook
Let me qualify
undone jacinth
it’s in a good spot
modern brook
Rogue is a solid b tier
Its not bad
theres just no reason to bring it
aside from cc bitch
chilly brook
You say that
uneven mason
shroud
chilly brook
But its brought in a lot of 20s
undone jacinth
it has so much utility
chilly brook
It's definitely a solid s or high a tier
uneven mason
Shhhhhhhroud, blind, kick, kidney, cheap, gouge (wait is that a thing?)
chilly brook
Yea
undone jacinth
you can’t have top tier damage on that much utility or you end up like BFA
chilly brook
If you're outlaw you have gouge
strong forum
Next affix is having a KR berserker bleed a random target in your group.
undone jacinth
lmao
uneven mason
Next affix is having a KR berserker bleed a random target in your group.
They can name it "WTF"
modern brook
Next affix is having a KR berserker bleed a random target in your group.
just go all in and make it the 3rd boss dot
undone jacinth
spawns a swirly randomly and anyone in it gets the KR bleed, more mobs more swirls
5 per mob
chilly brook
Hell even just having Prey on the Weak is worth bringing a rogue tbh
modern brook
But its brought in a lot of 20s
its brought in 20s as cc bitch
And yeah im being defeatist tbh
Rogues fine
Its better than arms warriro Lol
chilly brook
That's not hard to do
modern brook
the damage spread is just disapointing
modern brook
we dont have any cool points
undone jacinth
it can also do master assassin weapon things which basically only they get to do
modern brook
every pulls just hammer verything on cd dont wait for anything spam CC on casts
THey even maged to make sub a sustained dps class
which is just ??????
modern brook
That's not hard to do
yeah my point is just that other classes haave it way worse
Arms being my other melee dps of choice
modern brook
missing one bit of utility or something
the entire problem with warrior (in keys) is that Bladestorm is Target capped but Remorseless winter is not.
uneven mason
Its better than arms warriro Lol
That bar is so low you could step over it.
modern brook
that is to say; the target caps are fucking arbitrary and stop them from having any form of real aoe capabiltiy
undone jacinth
meh how often is that a significant issue
uneven mason
The entire problem with warrior is our base damage is being kept artificially low to stop us from being more insane in AE/cleave
uneven mason
I can break 17k burst as fury but my ST DPS is 3500
modern brook
Forever viable 😦
undone jacinth
yes just has low base dps and no ultra valuable utility
uneven mason
amazing on trash, trash on bosses
undone jacinth
like almost everyone has
uneven mason
Like fury bursts so hard we can rip aggro off of VDH and Protadins in AE
but can't out DPS a healer in ST
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
modern brook
Oof
heady gyro
can shield wall reset my stacks of necrotic since its 100% parry?
sterile moss
Passive - Focused Anger (Fury) - When there are no enemies within 5 yards of your primary target, Bloodthirst and Rampage deal x% more damage. Fixed.
you're thinking of die by the sword
uneven mason
can shield wall reset my stacks of necrotic since its 100% parry?
what
but yes DBTS would reset them
since you wouldn't be melee'd for 8s
too bad prot doesn't get DBTS 😄
undone jacinth
10 mists for this week and that will be it
limpid pawn
sterile moss
I can't imagine there's a single answer
lofty widget
all 15s timed?
strong forum
i guess
lofty widget
that's at least above average
sterile moss
if we're talking about individual bragging rights, there are factors to consider as far as how difficult it was to get your io
sterile moss
do you have a dedicated group, do you play alliance (lol me), etc
undone jacinth
anyone above 1600 is probably pushing to some degree
strong forum
ye
undone jacinth
below will be weekly players mainly
pure sun
I need a new 1h but not a new shield, do I spec into fury to try to roll a 1h? If I get a 2h I dont mind it but I'm just wondering if both drops are possible
undone jacinth
both drops happen yeah
chilly brook
I mean 1300-1400 is pretty high up rn
1100-1200 I would say is good
Less than 1k is meh
chilly brook
How many people actually have all 15s timed though
chilly brook
Like that's still pretty rare tbh for the general community
jagged pier
yer can see that gunna get a lot easier now tho
undone jacinth
I just personally base it on who’s pushing and who isn’t - if I’m looking for a ‘high’ player then would be looking for ppl who are pushing