protection

[undone jacinth]

so don't feel like you are stuck

[ionic fern]

In that "threat" situation you are having...Spear/Aftershock are both great snap threat tools.

[uneven mason]

Yeah, Kyrian give you self healing and a strong AE CD with tether, NF give you a small AE that trucks/stuns

[placid oar]

got it, thank you!

[chilly brook]

I'm also NF so my stomp usually is up around the time they'd wings

[ionic fern]

But it depends on the DPS player as well..e.g if the first thing they do is pop wings and storm while you haven't gotten a single ability off you are kinda doomed.

[uneven mason]

Aftershock is agreat tool for topping the meters

[ionic fern]

Or forced to AoE taunt atleast.

[placid oar]

ah i see, thank you Griff

[ionic fern]

Or do my favourite..let them die and see if they learn.

[uneven mason]

but they don't

[ionic fern]

Never do.

😂

[uneven mason]

they bubble and the healer gets all the aggro

then theyre like "WTF TANK"

[placid oar]

i see, thank you

[chilly brook]

Also bubble big play

Or BoP

[undone jacinth]

just bring a hunter honestly

makes lifes problems go away

[ionic fern]

If they know that MD exists.

[uneven mason]

MM hunter makes aggro a non issue

[chilly brook]

As someone who has been playing ret

[undone jacinth]

never thought I'd say that in my life

about hunters

[chilly brook]

Bubble fixes all my problems

[undone jacinth]

but there you go

does survival get MD?

[spiral wave]

yes

[uneven mason]

LOL survival

[undone jacinth]

ha I found you, lurking survival player

[uneven mason]

"Survival, a more ironic title has yet to be created"

[chilly brook]

I mean everyone memes on survival

But their aoe damage is stupid

[uneven mason]

so is their death rate

[undone jacinth]

it's just melee

in 2021

that's the main issue

[ionic fern]

And competing against MM.

😂

[undone jacinth]

but I also don't get how anyone can play a spec that got no changes at all in SL

like how boring must that be

[uneven mason]

Yeah, its like, as a raidleader, I'm not jerk enough to force people to swap specs because people generally do mechanics better if they're playing something that is familiar to them. But a hunter going survival I'd probably go hells kitchen on them when we're already pretty meleee heavy.

[undone jacinth]

hides in feral

[uneven mason]

by that I mean 2 rogues 2 UDKs and a feral

Feral is doin real nice atm

one of my favorite specs for ST push phases

[undone jacinth]

yea luckily I can outdmg most boomkins I play with

so nobody asks too many questions

[uneven mason]

our feral tried boomkin for like 5 pulls (was boomkin all of BFA)

and they did like 15% less ST DPS

I was like narp

back in the fur coat

[lunar perch]

Heyo peeps! What's the best opener? Thunder clap doesn't seem to generate enough threat to hold aggro..

[undone jacinth]

I tried it on target dummy for 1min and realised I was playing ranged

[uneven mason]

shield slam

[undone jacinth]

so swapped back

[lunar perch]

Sorry to interrupt the conversation by the way.

[uneven mason]

Revenge is for AE threat

[lunar perch]

What's AE?

[uneven mason]

Area effect

[undone jacinth]

aoe

he means

[lunar perch]

Oh, thanks

[uneven mason]

literally only abbreviation I've seen that got letters added to it from EQ to WoW

[undone jacinth]

I always assumed it was for people with limited faculties

but that makes more sense

so if you've done m0 you just can't reset a keystone

nice one blizz

[lunar perch]

So, do I Shield Slam into Revenge? Sometimes I don't get enough rage to get Shield Block up, and Last Stand is on CD

[uneven mason]

avatar for rage

[ionic fern]

In m+?
Throw Ravager->Charge->Avatar->SS (BV->Revenge/TC for threat in AoE)

[uneven mason]

what covenant?

[lunar perch]

Thank you! And kyrian, I suppose I can also spear>charge for rage.

Thanks for the help!

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

spear big threat

[lunar perch]

I've been charging before using spear/ravager, that was a mistake. xp

[undone jacinth]

ya you should have ravager before every pull

and try to pool a tiny bit of rage

so you get that SB insta

[orchid frigate]

pugs are so fun nowadays, if ppl dont have opinions about pulling too big or too small they are annoyed by dps picked are too weak (yes i only run my own keys)

is it just me or does it feel like the amount of boosted ppl is higher now?

[mighty valley]

same as it ever was

[uneven mason]

BFA made it an industry, largest offender is VDH and they're the meta now so...

[ionic fern]

It does feel like it tbh..even on 15+ keys you get a ton of people who don't know what to interrupt/avoid or how to DPS. 😦

[orchid frigate]

mhm

[patent osprey]

isn't it good I'm venthyr ^.^? it makes it easy to answer people to play whatever covenant you want and enjoy :) cause cov doesn't matter that much for m+

[uneven mason]

Venthyr has good soulbinds

and pumps in ST

But, you can't apply that to Necrolord

because

[ionic fern]

Necro has good Transmog.

It's fine

[uneven mason]

literally is crippling yourself

I guess

if I could use the Necro Xmog

[solemn magnet]

Maybe I didn't give venthyr a good enough try when I was starting out tanking low m+, but I'm doing 12s and 13s now and spear is such a QoL changer for me.

[uneven mason]

and be a nother convenant I'd do its story then swap

Venthyr is weak in M+

for sure.

weaker*

than Kyrian or NF

for raiding its soulbinds are basically the best ones

(but condemn and door are still weaker ability wise)

[orchid frigate]

was interesting to hear naowhs thoughts about m+ in SL about too much kiting and not being in control

[uneven mason]

I Mean, thats because they half assed the AE Capping

and have not included enough anti kite mechanics

[silver trout]

AE capping on tanks is one of the worst choices I feel they made

[uneven mason]

leaving a single tank capable of producing almost all of its threat from rage was a bad choice

[patent osprey]

time to go necrolord I guess

[orchid frigate]

i hate when i just stand there auto attacking for a while without any rage 😦

[quick elk]

is spike from castle really that bad? it doesn't get a mention in any guides. and i just got it from timewalking.

[uneven mason]

not having summoning/snares more prevalent on NPCs, like they must have been blind when they saw this meta forming, during beta

its a solidly amazing "meh" trinket

its not horrible

its not going to top lists tho

I use it, because Hakkar is a bitch

[paper orbit]

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere in online guides, but i learned yesterday we can dispel the Enraged Masks in DoS with our intimidating shout 👀

just deletes em for melee to have space

[ionic fern]

And stuns.

Any CC

[lofty widget]

any stun works too

[paper orbit]

oh nifty!

[uneven mason]

anything that stops their channel

[high folio]

do you guys have any videos or something for high key pushing on prot warriors? my highest timed key so far is a 12 and i want to do KSM one day

kinda looking for advanced tips and tricks

[quick elk]

i currently have decanter of anima, in my non hakar slot. and i really like it for the random dps aoe it does. but spike does the same with a heal affect ....is my logic

[ionic fern]

Sense/Nomeratur/Plka on twitch i guess @high folio .

[high folio]

Hmm okay, thanks. ik prot warriors dont have the utility of other tanks and are a bit weaker but damn are they fun

[uneven mason]

"weaker"

meme

[undone jacinth]

got pretty decent utility tbh

[signal plover]

Do more pull ups

Be less weak

[high folio]

weaker utility wise, our mitigation and damage is p good

[uneven mason]

wear a shield on both hands when you jog

[high folio]

hahaha

[uneven mason]

literally only thing we lack is the ability to kite while holding aggro

[high folio]

prot doesnt have a good AoE slow and it blows

[uneven mason]

so if you gauge tank viability by their ability to run away.

[undone jacinth]

slow and blows

lmao

[high folio]

ik its super backwards, kiting is the meta

[uneven mason]

because of how its scaled and lack of mechanics to dissuade it. TBH if anyone was pushing keys at that level as prot, once in full 226-233 gear a prot warrior could probably face tank the big pull in CDs while the fire bursts it down, but that isn't how the meta is built at the moment, its 90% Fire mage/4 specs that support the fire mages uncapped AE.

[patent osprey]

I have VODs of my high keys on my channel or I stream usually every night twitch.tv/plkatv (I swear isn't for self promotion) >.<

[high folio]

yeah that also makes sense that gear could be the limiting factor

[high folio]

nah for sure i appreciate it, this is kinda the next step for me bc i can play prot w my eyes closed lol

[uneven mason]

any logical level of key prot can do just fine (up to +15 at least)

biggest boss is the community perception

[high folio]

thats also facts

it is worth noting that im trying to push 15's at a sub 210 ilvl lol

[silver trout]

and dps not doing their jobs

[ionic fern]

15's at around 210 is np.

[high folio]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^rho

[high folio]

if i had competent groups then yeah it prob would be doable

[patent osprey]

I feel like community perception is going up but range dps just want venge dh buff now so they burst 5% more

[undone jacinth]

biggest difference I notice is how easy gathering a pull together is on venge

[ionic fern]

VDH does do a stupid amount of damage as well. 😦

[undone jacinth]

with sigils, mobility etc

[uneven mason]

yup

[patent osprey]

I don't really mind how we gather a pull, or even our defensive capability. I feel actually pretty tanky overall, if not more so sometimes than other tanks. But my damage is lackluster and thats the biggest change I want. And yeah people say, just go kyrian or nightfae and your damage will go up a ton, but I don't want me damage coming from my covenant so I get locked to one :/

[uneven mason]

welcome to World of Borrowed Power

[undone jacinth]

the vdh damage situation is definitely an issue

was taking that as a given

I assumed it would get nerfed or others would get buffed at some point

but who knows

[ionic fern]

If they buff our damage we will definitely rise in popularity. We are beefy as hell.

[uneven mason]

this is nerfed, it was reduced twice during beta

[patent osprey]

it can't really get nerfed cause the only way to nerf it is to break it. they added fel devestation into their kit which makes them too strong now. Shield wall every minute but even better

so if they remove that, then goes back to dead vdh from bfa

[uneven mason]

VDH was fine

[undone jacinth]

I meant just the damage

[uneven mason]

it just wasn't the meta

[undone jacinth]

if you nerf elysian decree is the rest really too op?

[patent osprey]

vdh wasn't really fine, in a non kiting meta

[undone jacinth]

maybe

[patent osprey]

did u see them fight the tree boss in Waycrest on a 25 or something

[uneven mason]

they nerfed decree uh, twice during beta

[patent osprey]

they just get 1 tapped

[undone jacinth]

doesn't mean they nerfed it hard enough, clearly 😛

[dusty geyser]

I wish tclap had a more effective slow, TBH. 30% doesn't feel like enough to get away when shit hits the fan.

[patent osprey]

decree is whatever, it isn't what makes vdh so strong

its their utility kit + cds atm

silence sigil is busted. It shouldnt silence mobs for that long. Should probably just be an aoe interrupt

not a silence

[undone jacinth]

you think if they did the same damage as warr then people would value them equally as high?

[patent osprey]

yeah i do, as long as they could maintain threat

utility is so fking huge in high keys

[ionic fern]

Don't they have a good legendary combo as well or something?

[undone jacinth]

the fiery brand reduction is crazy yea

[patent osprey]

firey brand being up ever like 30 seconds

is insane

[vocal bison]

vdh are gods in rbgs right now too

[ionic fern]

Also, with a lot of ranged DPS'ers rising in popularity any extra silence is super good.

[vocal bison]

they got it all

[undone jacinth]

I just think even with all that they are still not the strongest defensively

[ionic fern]

Since their interrupt is like what..24s?

[undone jacinth]

and if you brought their damage in line it would impact their key levels a lot, I think

atm their damage while kiting just by putting a sigil is a bit much, imo

their pack utility has always been legit though

[patent osprey]

They never had fiery brand up 50% of the time and can spread it aoe

think u underestimate their tankiness

[undone jacinth]

nah they are definitely strong, not disputing

I just see so many packs, keys, bosses etc come down to the wire on damage

idk maybe I'm overvaluing itr

[patent osprey]

even if their damage was prot war level, their utility is so good right now, it feels bad tryihng to pull like how a dh pulls

[undone jacinth]

for sure

[patent osprey]

damage can come from anywhere, like holding mobs more still in place, being able to pull bigger, needing less healing so your healer can pump

the utility allows that

[undone jacinth]

kinda but when I play my bear

with no sigils to help group stuff

I look at my dmg and im like

what am I doing

playing this

[patent osprey]

hey man, top bears higher than top prot wars T_T

[undone jacinth]

yea they tanky af

and I guess some of that is just preference of what those top guys choose too

I think trell got his appendix blown up or something so maybe that lowers bears chances haha

[ionic fern]

Trell was BRM, no?

[patent osprey]

imma send this to trell

[undone jacinth]

he plays a lot of bear too

but with thrash lego because hes a real man

thought he was gonna main it as brm didnt seem so good but now brew seems pretty solid

[blazing condor]

yo can someone redpill me on versatility and when its appropriate to use? i know in really high keys most high end tanks opt for vers-stacking but haste is always preached as the #1 stat. As someone who feels incredibly squishy in the dgs i do rn (cus im still kinda low gear) it feels like any dmg reduct is good

[chilly brook]

Dont worry about vers

[ionic fern]

What key levels are you doing?

[chilly brook]

Grab it if you can

On the same ilvl

But your stat allocation wont matter nearly as much as your play and your dps not being stupid

[blazing condor]

im 198 doing 13s-14s

not having any huge issues

but still

[undone jacinth]

think its mainly just when its magic killing you

that vers is gonna be what you wish you had more of

[blazing condor]

idk i just dont wanna get completely smashed lol

but also dont wanna give up on haste in favor of vers

[undone jacinth]

I mean you're doing relatively high keys for your ilvl

not crazy but if you're ok then I'd say just don't worry

its only gonna be an issue at the extremes

[patent osprey]

im full verse > haste atm for high keys but, unless your doing 20+ You don't relaly need to worry about verse stacking

its so I don't get 1 shot to a missed kick

[blazing condor]

yeah i feel you and that's what makes sense to me too

[patent osprey]

@chilly brook must hate me, cause my char goes against his proper advice >.< covenant + stat weights LOL

[blazing condor]

then again

youre #1

🤔

[distant iris]

On the subject of DPS not being stupid..I'm looking through some guides but not finding anything on this noob question - should I be able to hold aggro with just tab targeting shield slam + thunderclap, or should I be weaving in at least some revenges? I'm not clear on how easy it should be to hold threat (assuming no rogue/hunter)

[ionic fern]

You should start looking at vers when you're dying to pure damage while playing properly.

[lime urchin]

spear of bastion and / or ravager is mandatory, in my humble experienc

[distant iris]

It feels like sometimes it's np, and sometimes it's madness (I am Kyrian)

[lime urchin]

regarding to the threat question ^

[patent osprey]

At the start of a pull when u have ravager going + defensives, u should be spamming revenge for threat basically. Helps establish early aggro and while ravager is up you have fury to spend.

[blazing condor]

👉 👈 i feel like i know how to play but i' wont go crazy over anything

[jagged pier]

your not gunna hold aggro by TC'ing it does no damage anymore

[blazing condor]

fuck it i'll blame it on being a bit undergeared

yolo

[ionic fern]

198 should be very feasible for 14 keys.

If you know you're playing properly then look at your DPS players. Are they interrupting?

[jagged pier]

didnt nome do 14 at like 170 somthing week one

[chilly brook]

Nah your use case just doesnt reflect most other peoples

There is some nuance

[distant iris]

@patent osprey I'm using The unstoppable force not ravager.. change it up? Though it does mean I have spear or avatar up for each pull usually

[patent osprey]

100% which is why I always try to stipulate only in the highest of keys + im a dps main >.<

[ionic fern]

Don't use UF.

It's bad

[chilly brook]

UF is pretty dead

[patent osprey]

unstoppable force is a trap

Since Bolster >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, UF has no use cause avatar isn't up enough

if you were doing low keys, then by all means go AM/UF and blow stuff up for fun

[distant iris]

Blech I swear to F that I read differently when I first did my build

I'm doing normals my dude 😄 brand new tank / 60 in general! So I will swap it up

I assume people who have been tanking longer than a day know better how to hold threat xD

[mighty valley]

In normals you should be able to totally ignore IP and dump tons of rage into revenge to speed things up

[distant iris]

Some of those timewalking dungeons are/were relatively hard hitting (feels that way anyway)

[patent osprey]

thats a bad habit to get into haha unless you doing it for the memes

[distant iris]

I don't really have any comparison yet but if I'm dropping down to 25% health often it feels like I need to pump more into IP

[ionic fern]

Are you sure you're keeping SB up in the first place?

[patent osprey]

I think there is this one prot warrior in BFA I remember that just hardly ever used IP so he could parse high. Put so much stress on his healers

[ionic fern]

IP is there just to help smooth out the damage, SB is your primary mitigation tool.

[mighty valley]

Sure, think we can trust the guy to readjust when he hits mythics though haha

[distant iris]

But there's only going to be about a 50% uptime by design isn't there?

[mighty valley]

Seems like most newer M+ warriors start out using not enough revenge rather than too much

[distant iris]

(I know I have other cooldowns I can roll)

[ionic fern]

Yes, and the rest you cover by CD's like Bolster/SW/DS.

[chilly brook]

I mean cata dungeons were notoriously punishing to begin with

[blazing condor]

the trash on vortex was banging

had to have 2 cc on those adepts

[distant iris]

I think part of what I was missing (am missing), is that for example DS I'm using on cooldown (booming voice), while this is up I should be recharging shield block then

[silent grove]

The cata dungeon where you fly around on tornadoes to different platforms hits hard

[ionic fern]

Well, i maybe mis-worded it a bit.
IN general DS should be used on CD together with BV.
Bolster/SW are your main "i don't have SB up" cooldowns.

[distant iris]

Yeah that dungeon sucked. Those pulls with like 7 mobs, healers, etc oof

[ionic fern]

If you don't have anything : SB,Bolster, SW then it's honestly better to just kite away than stand in there with just IP.

Your healer will thank you for it.

And on higher keys you would just get slapped otherwise.

[silent grove]

Grim batol has that circle of death gimmick

[distant iris]

@ionic fern I also had anger management.. need to flip to bolster, esp without unstoppable force. So I had some talent issues to start with I guess

[chilly brook]

Cata dungeons are just a test of if your group knows the mechanics

[ionic fern]

You can also use SHockwave as a "defensive" when you only have a couple of seconds left on a SB charge coming up. Just have to be careful about the DR's etc.

[ionic fern]

Definitely play Bolster in m+.

[distant iris]

I freaking love shockwave, one of the main things I love about prot warrior ❤️

[silent grove]

Is shockwave considered an interrupt?

[mighty valley]

no, but it will obviously stop casting on stunnable mobs

[distant iris]

It definitely interrupts stuff, but not sure that's the question

[mighty valley]

but they'll start recasting immediately most of the time

[distant iris]

Good to know

[mighty valley]

where real interrupts spell lock them for a bit

[undone jacinth]

cast behaviour is differenet on different mobs

[silent grove]

Idk if interrupt specifically refers to kicks/pummel

[undone jacinth]

theres a lot that dont recast

interrupt in details is just kicks

but stuns interrupt plenty of good shit

[silent grove]

I’ve been focusing lately on getting better with pummel/shockwave/stormbolt

For cancelling casts

[distant iris]

• there's this whole spell reflect thing that seems extremely OP, but adds quite a bit of complexity to just knowing when to use it

[chilly brook]

CC is good to use to disrupt a cast

That being said I prefer to intimidating shout over a stun if it's down to that

[mighty valley]

oh, and on casts that go into a channel, you usually want to stun after the channel starts, because then the spell is on cooldown

[undone jacinth]

yea shockwave putting everything on stun dr is pretty bad

[mighty valley]

like bucking rampage in mists

[distant iris]

really silly question.. doesn't shout make all enemies flee (generally a bad thing)?

[silent grove]

Yeah... so my very first dungeon way way way back, was sfk. I feared in that first area by the stables and damn near pulled the entire dungeon lol

[sacred quarry]

Are other prot warriors getting accepted into +15 PUGs? 1208 IO and was able to PUG until now with no issues. Now declined on everything

[ionic fern]

It breaks easily.

[mighty valley]

aoe damage breaks the fear almost instantly usually

[distant iris]

But basically interrupts, that's good to know

[void meadow]

welcome to not being a veng DH 😄

[ionic fern]

I'm hitting the pug wall on 17's. 😦

[jagged pier]

MDI effect my dude

[sacred quarry]

oof, sounds like I finally need to push my own keys. through +14s I could PUG no problem. Only 15s I've done were follow ups on the timed 14s

[mighty valley]

If MDT is right about this week's affixes, there's gonna be a tank drought and people will be desperate for anyone lol

[distant iris]

What are the affixes? Necrotic storming or something like that? xD

[mighty valley]

Necrotic Bolstering Tyrannical

[sacred quarry]

how fun

[blazing condor]

raid pushing week next week

[undone jacinth]

holy shit those affixes cant be real

rofl

[distant iris]

Necrotic just seems impossible to me, despite knowing that people do it - you can kyrian stacks once, but overall seems like not getting healed is bad mojo, just need to heroic leap out I guess?

[mighty valley]

yeah, it's kite time

[distant iris]

Thunderclap has a 10 second slow, so you should even be able to just run out?

[mighty valley]

establish aggro til stacks are untenable then flee

[signal plover]

Be dorf ;)

[distant iris]

Lol I'm a blood elf... mass dispel baby

[sacred quarry]

heroic leap + NF soulshape + tauren charge racial + intervene gets me through necrotic

[undone jacinth]

it would be good if those were teh affixes actually, to get them all out of the way in 1 week

then on to other decent stuff

[blazing condor]

you can also use like RoP and shit

[mighty valley]

yeah... just stock the vault and chill for the week

[blazing condor]

make sure your mates know

[midnight stone]

stoneform 🎉

[distant iris]

I have yet to even tank a heroic so I'm sure it will take some more time to get stuff figured out

Week after will be my jam (y)

[undone jacinth]

man trying to get a shield is a legit joke

on alts

[uneven mason]

trying to get a shield at all thi Xpac

is bonkers

using 200ilvl PVP shield

because RNGesus

[undone jacinth]

across my two alts i've done 60 either mists or theaters

[blazing condor]

gearing is kinda hard tbh

[undone jacinth]

I haven't had 1 shield

from either

60 runs..

how can that be right

if I pvp for 2 hours I get a 200?

BLIZZARD

[blazing condor]

do high level m+ and you get barely over normal

[undone jacinth]

158 shield with 190 in every other slot

very spicy

[amber herald]

it has a cast bar and a channel bar if you interrupt the channel it'll stop

so wait for it to cast and then instantly hit shockwave, should stop them from throwing you around

I hate that stupid spell

[mighty valley]

yes that is exactly what i said

[amber herald]

ah fair enough

only learned that the other day

[undone jacinth]

it rechannels if you cancel pretty sure

[amber herald]

on the channel it won't I'm pretty sure but not 100%

[mighty valley]

it's on cooldown if you let it cast and start channeling

[undone jacinth]

it channels up

then it channels down

if you interrupt the channel up it will recast

if you interrupt the channel down it wont

but if it selects you as the first target, you're getting knocked back

[mighty valley]

the first bar is casting, the second bar is channeling

[undone jacinth]

sure

[amber herald]

there's a slight delay, you can shockwave a milisecond into the channel

[undone jacinth]

if there is any delay

it's so small that its not reasonable

to hit

[blazing condor]

can you fellas log into Rio?

[undone jacinth]

doesnt look like it

client is working though

[blazing condor]

not for me

[undone jacinth]

nvm I'm in on site too

[sand obsidian]

rallying cry and intervene conduit for finesse?

or*

[ionic fern]

I'd go for the Rallying cry one

[wild sandal]

is quantum device good for us

[sturdy trench]

i think u want a shorter cd trinket for tanking

[undone jacinth]

iqd is bait for everyone

delicious, good looking bait

[tropic sorrel]

i got KSM yesterday, so I'm thinking to swap to venthyr and only tank mythic raid, jesus, m+ on SL is cruelty

[uneven mason]

Difficulty wise +15s are probably on par with mythic raiding, but without the RoI for gear

which is obtuse on blizzards part

[chilly brook]

Tbh I kinda wanna go Venthyr for raid

So I can pump

[uneven mason]

its a trap

[chilly brook]

While also not skimping on survival

[uneven mason]

I was Venthyr, I feel I can pump more as NF

[chilly brook]

I love NF

I just want condemn

[tropic sorrel]

hahahah

[chilly brook]

Or at least the ability to test it

[tropic sorrel]

how much ilvl and versa/haste are u guys?

(I really want learn to play arms for farm some gear on PvP)

[chilly brook]

So the problem isn't that I cant pump as NF, it's that I end up pumping all my rage into IP because I dont trust healers in mythic

[uneven mason]

probably

I know thats why I crank IP

[tropic sorrel]

neither, 30% of hp equal dead

[uneven mason]

My true goal

is to pump Revenge so hard that my Indomitable healing is higher than my IP

[chilly brook]

Lol

Facts

I kinda wanna napkin math condemn vs IP

[uneven mason]

It was close prior to the conduit nerf

[jagged pier]

BIG

[uneven mason]

when the venthyr conduit was like at 213 ilvl it broke even

then they reduced it by like 80%

[chilly brook]

Was that accounting for the fact you can get more condemns than IPs?

[uneven mason]

yes

[chilly brook]

Rage wise that is

I c

[uneven mason]

and that you had a 100% absorb

[undone jacinth]

its like 2/3 now

[chilly brook]

Stonks

[undone jacinth]

of an ip

[jagged pier]

can open vault in arms now

[chilly brook]

Fuck

I'm missing out on a boost

Because I'm at work

[undone jacinth]

2k dps shaman in my group just got the mists shield

I am officially done with m+

it is dead to me

[uneven mason]

don't worry you'll have a 226 waiting in your vault!

is what I tell myself every week

[undone jacinth]

not quite able to do a 14 on this little 170 fella

well, maybe I could

but no ppl to take me

[uneven mason]

I heard you can pay for that sort of thing.

[undone jacinth]

how much is a boost these days

[uneven mason]

I'd never debase myself ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[undone jacinth]

ive got 7k

must be enough

[uneven mason]

might be enough for a +5

[undone jacinth]

holy crap how is it just gonna give a shaman a shield

what a game

shoulda named my pala holycrap

[uneven mason]

Set your loot spec on holy

and you'll get a shield

assured

they just don't like giving tanks shields.

[undone jacinth]

thats so big brained

[waxen cradle]

facts can confirm

[undone jacinth]

m+ is back alive to me

with new strat

[sterile moss]

I mean imagine the disaster from blizzs perspective

give tanks good shields

and they take less damage

[chilly brook]

Here you go

[sterile moss]

increasing their chance of surviving mobs in m+

[chilly brook]

407k for a 14

[jagged pier]

damn i need to get boosting

[sterile moss]

seriously

[jagged pier]

not like a community will let a prot warrior boost XD

[uneven mason]

lol

[chilly brook]

I do

Want a link?

[sterile moss]

wait... 89k for a +2 boost

...

[uneven mason]

Math seems off

are people that bad?

[chilly brook]

They don't care what class you play as long as you got the io and the key is completed

[undone jacinth]

hmmm my 7k doesnt buy me very much

[chilly brook]

I mean it gets split 4 ways plus the other cuts

[uneven mason]

Like, the requirments for completing a +2 is basically "be 60 and have a pulse"

[chilly brook]

Like so

[jagged pier]

would be cool, but dont know if my score is high enough tbh

also dont know if your US or not

[undone jacinth]

BLIZZARD

thats the shaman who just got my shield

[uneven mason]

You're on a paladin, I have no sympathy

[undone jacinth]

its true

don't need a shield when all the mobs are dead

[uneven mason]

thats what VDH are for

[chilly brook]

It's a sliding scale

And yea I'm US

[undone jacinth]

what does that mean

u need 2.5k to boost 15s?

wut

[jagged pier]

ah fair looks nice, but rip not in US so rip to that idea

[chilly brook]

Oof

[undone jacinth]

eu lacking capitalism

[chilly brook]

No it goes up to 20s

[undone jacinth]

oh right

boosting 20s

ofc...

[chilly brook]

If they pay they pay lmao

[undone jacinth]

some savages out there

[chilly brook]

This is how I pay for my consumables

Made like 200k over the weekend for like just over an hour of my time

[undone jacinth]

theres only 1 way I know how to make gold

[mellow patio]

That is the best gold farm

I made 200k for much less than an hour on my time by opening a wallet

[undone jacinth]

I work so I don't have to work

https://tenor.com/view/thinkaboutit-smart-meme-gif-8235158

[chilly brook]

Hey man boosting 10s is a good way to get that last m+ vault slot

[jagged pier]

actually flip a lot today cheaper to buy the mats for the flasks and make them

made like a 100g a flask

ez money flip

[chilly brook]

I'm too smol brain to play the AH game

[jagged pier]

if i was big brain would have waited for wednesday to sell

[uneven mason]

and here I thought I was doing well by farming the goodie bags for tank/healer queues

[jagged pier]

not worth the money anymore

was huge at the start tho

[uneven mason]

tyrannical necrotic next week

[jagged pier]

F

[uneven mason]

F

[jagged pier]

4 runs it is then

not doing 10

[uneven mason]

indeed

Tyrannical bolstering necrotic

F M L

[potent anvil]

That sounds like the best time to pull out this tech in HoA...for fun

[unkempt crescent]

Is there a percent of haste I should be targeting or the more the merrier?

[undone jacinth]

the latter

[silver trout]

huh, guess this week is pvp week

[undone jacinth]

@uneven mason

holy loot spec

[tropic wind]

hey guys I came to beg for help if anyone here is willing to sacrifice a minute

[undone jacinth]

literally worked

first time

first run

[sand obsidian]

doubt youll get much response without an actual question Ratclown

[tropic wind]

good point. so I have prot war ilvl 201, haste 18%, Mas 16%, Vers 14%. I can't get through m+7. are those stats bad or am I? 😄

[undone jacinth]

stats dont have anything to do with your progress my friend

sorry to report

focus more on shield blocking and interrupting 😉

[tropic wind]

okay so it's git gud problem thanks

[undone jacinth]

basically ya

[mighty valley]

there are so many factors that go into why a key doesn't work

if it's like "i can't survive this boss on tyrannical week" then that's probably a gear check, but anything else, it's a magical equation of your skill, your dps's skill, and the total damage of the group

[undone jacinth]

in 7s its pretty much in your control though

[strong forum]

Alot of us did up to 14s with 180 gear in the first week of m+ for example

To instantly get max weekly vault

Just takes good people and dungeon knowledge to time keys with less gear

Although 200 is overgearing 7s by a bit already

With 210 you overgear 15s in my mind

[nova vector]

@strong forum Sobbering to read that since I’m 211 and struggle in 14s and 15s

[strong forum]

I would take that as motivation

Tbh

[hollow kestrel]

well he is probably good lol

[strong forum]

If somebody does something better than me, that means I can get better too

[hollow kestrel]

im struggling too, also hate m+ since there is no fun about it, just to make it as fast as possible which is just annoying

[nova vector]

@strong forum well as we discussed earlier, I think it’s also an issue of overall group dps

[hollow kestrel]

lol ofc

[mighty valley]

probably don't spend a lot of time on something you hate

[strong forum]

Ye I don't enjoy current m+ either

[nova vector]

I’m gonna run some logs tonight and hopefully have some for y’all to pick apart tomorrow

[hollow kestrel]

thats why im not 😛

[strong forum]

I legit only do my weekly 4x 14-17 key

And then peace out

[hollow kestrel]

yeah i do 1

[strong forum]

Na i don't wanna wheelchair that hard

4 keys is like 2hrs investment

[hollow kestrel]

but yeah nome, you sound good, if/when you have time please look at my HC https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/30022626

[nova vector]

I hate pvp, but I know it offers some great rewards this expansion. What’s the best way to get conquest/gear?

[hollow kestrel]

i know im not good, but trying to get better for Mythic, and need some advise when possible

[nova vector]

What’s a minimum rating to work towards?

[strong forum]

Bro you don't use shieldblock

Like ever

[hollow kestrel]

iknow haha

[strong forum]

You pump almost all your rage into revenge

You could do both and do better

Shield block increases shieldslam damage by 30%

You also don't like to execute alot

For some reason, but you cast 11 revenges per minute

🤔

Generally id advise you to cast more SBs, it's just the better play, even when parse whoring

[hollow kestrel]

yeah i gotta think about that shield block more, do you keep it up at all times? or just use it before big damage

[strong forum]

As much as I can while I'm tanking

And take blockable damage

Roughly 70% of melee dmg you take should be with SB up

60-70%

It's vital

[hollow kestrel]

yeah iknow, will probably see that more into Mythic, since ive been doing fine ish in HC without using it too much because im kinda new to prot

[strong forum]

I understand parse whoring for HC cuz nothing does damage, but proper skill usage is advised

You can take a look at my logs if you care (keep in mind I only did heroic like 2x) so numbers are lower cuz with 0 gear

But should give you a general idea if you compare casts done, dmg taken/ehrps and resources - rage gen

And blocked melee hits%

That's like the 4-5 things to look out for for quick overview

[hollow kestrel]

thanks man, appreciate it!

whats all star rank?

[strong forum]

All Star rank is basically a point system thats generated based on highest parse + a few small other factors

You can get up to 120 points per boss

[hollow kestrel]

is it realm based or region?

[strong forum]

World

[hollow kestrel]

oh

[strong forum]

You can however individually check your all-star rank per server

Which doesn't say alot tho

[hollow kestrel]

how, cant find that

[strong forum]

Click on your server

On your character

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/server/rankings/336/26#metric=dps&partition=1&class=Tanks&boss=0

This is all stars of your server

[hollow kestrel]

thanks buddy

[mighty valley]

Are you AM or Bolster? Could be doing a lot more shield walls or last stands

possibly both

[hollow kestrel]

AM for most bosses

[desert skiff]

Hey boys, I have started doing some keys between 12-14 and I prioritize being tanky in the start of a pull, which means I prioritize my globals defensively. This results in me losing threat and X player died 😦

Any tips? Prob asked a hundred times here but ill give it a shot

Kyrian and Ravager

[icy dirge]

200 item level haste pvp trinket or 200 haste darkmoon deck

[wicked lantern]

Same, I love M+ but recently it’s just been a fucking drag. Community is just straight toxic at any fuck ups and being a tank it’s always 100 times worse.

[hollow kestrel]

Yup what you said haha

[shut summit]

[undone jacinth]

echo that

tanking above 15 is just a shit show

never thought I'd ever not enjoy tanking dungeons =/

[shut summit]

will get better soon

[strong forum]

[blazing condor]

prot warr is fun af in arena

[undone jacinth]

prot warr guardian druid prot pala

3v3s

I'm in

[silver trout]

war of attrition right there

[undone jacinth]

130% dampening

[tardy sequoia]

Well Nom I’m at 210 ilvl and really struggle to do 12s, I’m almost 900 rio but ppl don’t invite me in groups

Problem is I struggle with survivability and aggro, basically a tank basics

[mighty valley]

the difference between a good ilvl for a group you know is good vs. good ilvl for what you can expect from a pug is pretty big

but hmm, at 210 for 12s, there's gotta be stuff you can improve on

[tardy sequoia]

Really don’t know where

Talents are correct, conduits ok, I study and apply routes

At this point I’m convincing myself that if I craft the wall rank 4 things will improve

But dude I dunno

I’m using thunderlord atm

[mighty valley]

both are good

it's really hard to understand what's going wrong without seeing logs or hearing how you play, but other prot wars are surviving 12s with worse gear

it's not all on you too, can be like... no kicks etc

[neat dirge]

does armor reduce bleed dmg?

[lofty widget]

nope

[tardy sequoia]

Maybe I should record logs and post them here

I’m treated like shit in my guild because you know.. they even suggested me to change class because you know pally can heal themselves

Or dh is super duper etc

But in my mind is the player not the class

[mighty valley]

Ugh, I would quit a guild like that in a heartbeat... understand that's not always an option

[chilly brook]

Logs would help a lot

Although it doesnt matter what tank you play if your group doesnt do their job to begin with

[tardy sequoia]

In Italy unfortunately it’s like that.. I’m like 10th warr tank with just 900 rio

But how can I be so unfortunate and join pugs with people who don’t know what to do

[chilly brook]

I'm like 5th on my server with 1100 something io

[tardy sequoia]

Same we are 3000

[tardy sequoia]

So I’m stop having this negative mentality where I have to blame others and start see “where can I improve?” Or “where was I mistaken or what could have been done better”?

Problem is I can’t find solution and this is driving me outta my head

[mighty valley]

if you manage to do that, you're better off than 99% of WoW players haha

[undone jacinth]

Logs will tell you a lot

Look where you’re dying and find out why, look at your mitigation etc

[chilly brook]

Tbh most of what I would do is look at how you can improve, outside of that theres not much you can do besides do your own keys and only invite people who are good

Be super picky on their io

Look them up on WCL/see if they got carried for their io

I've started honestly looking at peoples parses

[urban portal]

how does one sim for optimal prot gear?

obviously raidbots is only for dps

[chilly brook]

You dont

[undone jacinth]

😬

[chilly brook]

Ilvl

Haste>vers>crit>mast

[urban portal]

any reason on why crit>mast

doesnt mast give you block chance?

[chilly brook]

Parry

[undone jacinth]

crit block

is mastery

[chilly brook]

And base block chance doesnt mean much tbh

[mighty valley]

that part is wasted with good SB uptime

[chilly brook]

Mastery does increase base block chance as well

[mighty valley]

mastery usually sims the highest for raw DPS though haha

[undone jacinth]

ye but it’s the crit block ur using it for

[chilly brook]

Yea

[undone jacinth]

and the deepz

[chilly brook]

Just clarifying

[urban portal]

and like always dont trust pawn

[chilly brook]

But generally parry is valued higher for survival

[undone jacinth]

Delete pawn

immediately

[chilly brook]

And you shouldn't trust that shit ass addon

Delete that shit

[urban portal]

for example something like this

do i want the versatility

[chilly brook]

Just delete it

[urban portal]

or nah

[chilly brook]

Uhhh

You take the ilvl upgrade?

So the one on the left

[urban portal]

with my highest ilvl combo i have 100 vers

with a lower ilvl i have 300 vers

[chilly brook]

Doesnt matter

[urban portal]

ok so just ilvl gaming

[chilly brook]

Take the higher ilvl

[urban portal]

cool

[chilly brook]

Your overall stat allocation isn't as important

More stats>"better" stats

[urban portal]

im assuming tanking sims dont actually exist

[chilly brook]

Not reliable ones no

[fallow mortar]

in NW, the caster pack that people use the orb on. Other than invis skip, is there another way to skip it?

[chilly brook]

Yes

Mind soothe

Warlock gate

[tardy sequoia]

So if I should start a group, what’s a good comp for mythic plus?

[chilly brook]

Sap imprison

[tardy sequoia]

Doing my own keys (something I’ve never done)

[fallow mortar]

thanks 😄

[chilly brook]

Can also just shroud it

Mind soothe is super pog

[fallow mortar]

woul that allow us to grab the spear as well?

[chilly brook]

Yep

[fallow mortar]

ohhh

[undone jacinth]

Hunter mage boomkin shaman is dream comp

[chilly brook]

Priest just needs to soothe the mob

[sick sentinel]

is twisting corridors a weekly thing?

[tardy sequoia]

Healer shaman?

[undone jacinth]

Ye

[lofty widget]

any comp that has ppl you know/trust imo, bring the player not the class!

[tardy sequoia]

Hunter Mm?

[undone jacinth]

Ye

[chilly brook]

Honestly I just take good players I dont look at their class all that much

Outside of getting specific things

[undone jacinth]

yea I’m just talking theory

[tardy sequoia]

Yeah but my guild is Italian you know

[chilly brook]

Like lust etc.

[tardy sequoia]

Lemme explain

[undone jacinth]

best player is always priority

[sick sentinel]

so, if run twisting corridors to floo 4 or whatver, i can pick back up from there?

[mighty valley]

@tardy sequoia A healer, a lust class, 3 competent dps lol. get all the covenants covered if you want this group to stick together

[tardy sequoia]

I sit in a guild where everyone is around 500-600-700 io score

[neat dirge]

what class is best against Bleeds?

[tardy sequoia]

Besides a good group who is elitist and only they play by themselves

[chilly brook]

You can always network with randoms tbh

[undone jacinth]

pala is decent vs bleeds

probably the best

[chilly brook]

I've met a few really good players because I took them and let them have a chance

[tardy sequoia]

They also this mindset where best tank are monk and dh (we are only 3 tanks in this guild)

[tardy sequoia]

You mean by pugging them?

[mighty valley]

why is your guild ragging on you when they're not getting anywhere themselves, makes me mad

[chilly brook]

Yep

By pugging

[sick sentinel]

thats all my raider io is or less

definitely not 1k

[chilly brook]

Like added a really good ret pally the other day because he was so stoked someone actually took him to a 14 key

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy sequoia]

Dunno, they go with this monk or dh tank

[chilly brook]

He had good io and good logs

[tardy sequoia]

Sometimes timing key sometimes not

[sick sentinel]

403.8 IO here

[tardy sequoia]

With me they look like very dumb

[chilly brook]

And he performed well in keys so now I have someone else I can always add for a dps slot

[undone jacinth]

the ret pala stun is actually legit in SL

[tardy sequoia]

Like never interruptin staying in shit etc

[sick sentinel]

best key i've run so far is a +8 1 chest

[chilly brook]

Ret pallys that use their utility are pog

[lofty widget]

had a ret pala solo heal a pride earlier, did like 5.3k hps

[tardy sequoia]

So when I’m dying they only say “hey I can’t heal you change class”

[undone jacinth]

yea it’s a good spec

[chilly brook]

Especially when you dont have a cleanse that does poisons/diseases

[lofty widget]

they are actually bis

[tardy sequoia]

Pally can heal themselves, dh and dk can leech

[undone jacinth]

melee tho

[tardy sequoia]

So I’m starting pugging them

[chilly brook]

Hybrid heals are super helpful

[mighty valley]

sounds like you should pug and try to find better, cooler players lol

[chilly brook]

^^^

[sick sentinel]

no way man, DK in my eyes is ultimate warrior buddy, death grip, control undead, AMZ brez

[chilly brook]

Just have way higher io than them and make them look like shit

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy sequoia]

I’m trying to, sometimes I get to it sometimes not

[sick sentinel]

i select DK for my runs BECAUSE of death grip

[tardy sequoia]

What could be that i’m losing aggro?

[sick sentinel]

its just way too handy, rather than chase some stupid caster mob down and lost aggro on all and wipe die

[tardy sequoia]

Like I charge in, thunder clap, revenge but sometimes NOTHING happens, mobs attack dps

[mighty valley]

are you running Ravager?

[tardy sequoia]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

of course

[tardy sequoia]

And bolster

Should I run ravager before pulling?

[mighty valley]

Throw ravager on pull, avatar + SB as you're charging, try and get a revenge asap, way bigger than a TC

mark a prio target

so the first thing you shield slam is what everyone else is hitting

[tardy sequoia]

Seems nice

[mighty valley]

also learn what the right prio target is for each pull lol

[tardy sequoia]

Today I had a problem on the pack on the left route after first boss in SoA

[chilly brook]

Spear or ancient Aftershock are huge dam

Should be using them asap

[tardy sequoia]

Nevermind what I threw at them, I could never aggro them

Spear always aggro, yes, problem Is when it’s on CD

[sick sentinel]

@tardy sequoia don't forget that when you do your heroic leap that taunt is fully cooled down, so you can, taunt>charge>attack>leap>taunt

[chilly brook]

Two or three revenges should be enough

[tardy sequoia]

Yes but sometimes mobs are more than 2, like 4-6

[lofty widget]

if youre thinking of the pack with the 3 birds they always big out for like 5-10 seconds to that's normal

[chilly brook]

Unless you're running with absolute big irons

[tardy sequoia]

No more the 3 spear throwers

[chilly brook]

The spear throwers throw spears at whoever they want unless you're in melee range

[mighty valley]

The spear throwers jump away and pick new targets

You wanna line of sight them down the stairs

[sick sentinel]

but, yeah, as long as your damaging abilities are hitting and taunt when need to be its pretty easy

[tardy sequoia]

Btw I’ll try the prio tag, that should do it

[mighty valley]

helps with everything except big big aoe burst like... demon hunters

they should just hold back for half a second longer lol

[chilly brook]

Or ret pallys

But they can just bubble

[sick sentinel]

sometimes i tell groups to just give me 1 gcd on pull so i can do attacks

[chilly brook]

Or bring a mm hunter who MDs and it doesnt even matter

[tardy sequoia]

No usually I have problems with hunters

[sick sentinel]

and if they let me, it works out so much better, cuz aint shit not taunted

[mighty valley]

the dream...

[tardy sequoia]

Or moonkin druids

[mighty valley]

you have problems with bad hunters who don't press their magic button that solves all aggro problems

[tardy sequoia]

Yeah misdirection ..

[sick sentinel]

FD too

[tardy sequoia]

But do you think the wall will help with survivability problems or is just a placebo?

I mean player issue

[mighty valley]

eh, pros and cons between the two leggos

[tardy sequoia]

Cause I feel the reduction of DS a bit lackluster

[mighty valley]

i like the wall better but it's not gonna solve all your problems

20% DR + damage + rage is a really good button

[tardy sequoia]

So why do you like TW better?

[sick sentinel]

when i have gold again i can craft TW 4

[mighty valley]

the extra rage gen on SS pushes it over the edge for me

also, when I feel like tanking on tyrannical week, i'd rather have another cast of shield wall

also, it's the raiding legendary, so i get a 2 for 1

[sick sentinel]

or, i don't know what lvl it would be rn actual, i think 190

but, it's the next one going for 4, is what i mean

[tardy sequoia]

4 minutes cd it’s just brutal

It’s like an emergency button to use once in a while

[mighty valley]

use it more often than you think

[tardy sequoia]

1,5 min - 2 it’s really better

[sick sentinel]

just only use it when you need it, but use it often

anything you think that can kill you SW

[mighty valley]

get to know the packs that are dangerous and pop SW on them

[amber herald]

weird question, are boss mobs not affected by the knockback on menace?

[mighty valley]

bosses aren't affect by most CC?

[amber herald]

I tried it with the congealed slime to cc it as our comp was rubbish but it didn't work

[tardy sequoia]

With the wall you could theoretically use sw every 1-2 packs

[amber herald]

sorry I mean boss adds

[mighty valley]

oh like adds? it should work, almost everything else works on that slime

[sick sentinel]

bosses are immune to everything but taunt, and in some rare cases like first boss of seige of boralus he is mmune to or at least deosn't repond to taunt

[amber herald]

I couldn't get it to work, but whatever

[mighty valley]

can't say, never really use menace

[sick sentinel]

menace isn't my prefered talent in that row

[amber herald]

neither is mine but we had little cc in the group so I thought I'd take it

[sick sentinel]

no, it wont work on boss adds either, nor do they count towards % for m+ any adds that the boss creates, they are treated like boss monsters for most part seem to recall

[amber herald]

kinda sucks

thought I'd finally found a niche for that talent

[sick sentinel]

like, if its bolster week for example but 2nd boss NW makes adds, those adds cannot trigger bolster

[mighty valley]

i mean... paladins can use Turn Evil on that slime

blind works on the globgrog slime, etc

[amber herald]

I was trying to knock it back, maybe it's just immune to those

[sick sentinel]

best plan there is to have like mentioned someone with CC, and leave it alive till new ones due

i think

dumpster old one before new one gets out

[lofty widget]

intimidating shout wont knock back the slime you target, only the ones around it

even with menace talented

[amber herald]

I know I had the boss targeted

[mighty valley]

hmm. maybe if main target is immune, the knockback doesn't happen? no idea

[lofty widget]

because typhoon works on them

[sick sentinel]

also, if you want to see full spell lists and immunities and such you can see it all in the addon mythic dungeon tools

you can slide the scale to the key level you are running and it will estimate how much more HP adds will have, can't do dmg scaling i think tho

[sick sentinel]

i did a torghast with hymnal and this is the dmg/healing

[chilly brook]

Hymnal does a lot of damage

For its ilvl

[raven nebula]

Tanks, I need some help... my guild is tackling Heroic CN and I’m dying. A Lot. I’ve never submitted anything here. So what kind of info do you need from me in order to look at what I’m doing to see where the problems are?

Ilvl 203, Kyrian, Pelagos,

[last gazelle]

Is there a macro to intervene the target of your target?

[mighty valley]

@raven nebula It'll help a lot if someone starts logging your raids so we can see fight reports

Til then you can just describe which fights are killing you I suppose?

[chilly brook]

Logs are the best thing we can ask for

[mighty valley]

@last gazelle

#showtooltip Intervene
/cast [@targettarget] Intervene

[raven nebula]

@mighty valley @chilly brook is it an add on I need for that? WowLogs or something? Thx! The most recent fights are Hungering Destroyer (which we killed) and Inerva Darkvein (which we didn’t)...

[mighty valley]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ - sign up and poke around!

[steady spruce]

Omg those nerfs

In #news

https://www.wowhead.com/news=320625/dungeon-and-raid-tuning-and-updates-january-26th

Blizzard did not fuck around lol

[mighty valley]

good shit good shit!

[sick sentinel]

we cataclysm baby

nerf it into the ground

[karmic scroll]

lol @ shadowmeld

[steady spruce]

Hopefully Class tuning will come next !

Any minute now

[astral crystal]

probably not til HoF is finished

[heavy sail]

Damn those NW nerfs are huge

I didn’t even feel like it was that overturned

DoS untouched

[dusky sentinel]

Second boss was a shitshow tho

[heavy sail]

Meh

The adds were cancer but I didn’t feel like they were that strong

DoS feels like an uphill battle to time on any difficulty

And not even because it’s that hard

It just has a cruel timer compared to the other dungeons

[dull zodiac]

Is weapon damage still used in any calculations for ability damage?

What role does it play nowadays

What i mean is how important is having a good weapon?

Nw nerfs are ridiculous

So over the top

[golden pollen]

i guess its one of those key that too many fails at? blizz has better data than us

hopefully it will lead m+into a better direction than class elitism

[lavish hare]

Loving NW Nerfs tbh

[lavish hare]

Agreed, time there is SOOOOOO short.

[thin nexus]

Where y'all been getting your routesfrom? Specifically for people whos goals are KSM and not pushing passed that. I've been following and modifying dratnos runs here and there, but been finding some of the pulls to be difficult for my skill level(ie someone pushing in the +12/+13 area at the moment)

[solemn magnet]

I'm also pushing 12/13 and have been using his routes. Haven't run into any issues as of yet, but curious as well

[nimble drift]

i watch sense

[thin nexus]

a few pulls in halls(like where you jump down before the last shard), and some stuff late in spires were just devestating for my groups and i. had to make adjustmetns there. other stuff like TOP for example has been smooth

[nimble drift]

and use his routes

I literally watch his whole vid and make a route based on what he does

changing a thing or 2

[thin nexus]

oh sweet he's specifically prot as well

[nimble drift]

ya sense is my main man

[thin nexus]

what keystone level are you pushing so i can get a reference of how that may translate to me

[nimble drift]

https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Dwarfprince

Only did 4 keys this week :P

I just do 14s and move on, don't really concern myself with getting insane IO or all 15s and shit

[neat dirge]

All these changes

And no warrior buff

I was kinda expecting a 100 to 200% dmg Increase across the board

And "warriors can now use two shields"

Don't wanna be that guy but kinda disappointed

Mostly that the 2nd thing didn't go through

[astral orbit]

Prot warriors suck ass.

[mellow patio]

It’s rare that significant class changes happen this far in

[neat dirge]

True

[astral orbit]

Yeah fuck Blizzard

[nimble drift]

Prot warr isn't that bad lol

its fun

[neat dirge]

I'll hold my thumbs for two shields buff in next raid tier

[astral orbit]

It's fun but so underwhelming compared to other classes

Blizzard is fucking bullshitting for doing this to us

I'm only 1.2k rio but still

Fucking sucks

[mellow patio]

At least we aren’t blood dks

[astral orbit]

That's the funny part

[neat dirge]

True

[astral orbit]

According to the data from wowhead

[neat dirge]

They can't even use 1 shield

LOL

[astral orbit]

More DK tanks have timed keys over 15 than warrior tnaks

5.2% of the DK tanks have timed +15 keys

[neat dirge]

Just wait untill warriors can main hand and off hand shields

[astral orbit]

3.6% of the warriors have timed 15+ keys

[neat dirge]

All other tanks are gonna be so jealous

[astral orbit]

Dude they do a class like DH so fucking overtuned

And then they leave warriors in the gutter

[neat dirge]

Real talk

All tanks sucks rn

[astral orbit]

Lmao no man DHs are so overtuned

[mellow patio]

Dh is not as strong as it’s made out to be. They have one very strong legendary but the class itself is not as good as people think

[astral orbit]

It's sickening

[neat dirge]

Dh is just the best and prot is the worst but all sucks

[astral orbit]

According to data from wowhead

[mellow patio]

Brew not far behind dh

[astral orbit]

50% of all DH tanks have timed +15 keys

While 3.6% wof warriors have

of*

[mellow patio]

That’s more of a reflection of player skill than the classes

[astral orbit]

DH is overtuned

[mellow patio]

15 keys aren’t shit

[neat dirge]

Me and my boys

[astral orbit]

It's +15 keys = 15 and up

Not only 15 keys

[neat dirge]

Had no idea what we were doing

[spiral wave]

My friends pat me on the back and say stuff like ur doing well all things considered -_-

[neat dirge]

And fucked up everything

[astral orbit]

So 15 and everything above

[mellow patio]

And most players in general aren’t pushing above 15

[neat dirge]

And almost +2 a 15 top

With me as tank

Prot warrior

[astral orbit]

I +2 a 14 Necrotic

But that's besides the point

The amount of skill and effort I put in to my warrior

[dense flame]

I mean how can warrior complain