in an ideal scenario you have both close to 30% anyway
#protection
patent osprey
I'm probably a bit biased as well since I don't have cheat death trinket and I'm venthyr so I have to be extra cautious
patent osprey
maybe I'll get there one day
steady spruce
Wow echo lost mdi
strong forum
wha
patent osprey
they just lost the set, they still have lower bracket no?
strong forum
sweet summit
ye
strong forum
big spear and revenge pump
steady spruce
If they win lower bracket they can gzt to final ?
strong forum
yes
sweet summit
they can
steady spruce
Oh
strong forum
thats the whole point of the lower bracket
its winner of the lower bracket vs winner of higher bracket in finals
@patent osprey i can imagine cheat death trinket being quite huge for top keys cuz it even resets the CD of it if you actually die, which is just insanity tbh
sand obsidian
anyone have a good mdt route for DOS?
strong forum
pretty simple tbh
you do all the trash in the inner ring before hakkar and ardenweald
then you go into hakkar wing
to proc prideful just infront of hakkar
then just proceed as normal
sand obsidian
im mainly concerned about ardenweald
that room has always seemed terrible to me but people say its simple
strong forum
ardenweald you just run through the middle and try to get like 83%ish before going down the last pathway to enchanter
ionic fern
It's all blockable damage. ๐
strong forum
ardenweald is omega free
sand obsidian
I haven't tanked it yet myself, I'm new to tank. This expansion I started as disc, then played MM but my key is +10 DOS so wondered the proper pull for it is all
strong forum
the 2 dangers pulls are the first 2
you pull everything in the beginning and Hero/Lust it
and use Last Stand
the 2nd pull is the skelly pack before Hakkar wing, there you need to start with shieldwall, once it runs out you kite away from it and never go back in
every other pull should be fine, just dont tank the bladestorms in hakkar wing
sand obsidian
Assuming Bolster is a must then?
ionic fern
In m+ you should default into Bolster yes.
sand obsidian
Been messing around with UF and AM because one of my first runs someone told me Rav Bolster was not ideal
ionic fern
o.o
That's the opposite.
UF/AM is not "ideal". You should aim to play with Rav/Bolster.
jagged pier
Been messing around with UF and AM because one of my first runs someone told me ...
that is completely wrong
sand obsidian
ah well nice, maybe it'll make my next runs easier. The other reason I asked for DOS route is the dratnos one on raider io includes the dragon in ardenweald and I've never seen anyone pull it before for m+
mighty valley
it's not very efficient, especially on fortified
and you don't need it if you pull everything else in the ring around it
strong forum
dont do the dragon
strong forum
if you can avoid pulling her its a huge timesave and survival gain
in my key just now we pulled both cuz people pepegad
and we did like 120% count 
jagged pier
ah well nice, maybe it'll make my next runs easier. The other reason I asked for...
hot take make your own routes, feel like it helps with understanding the dungeon more
undone jacinth
sand obsidian
so do you run behind the drag and just snag up the invis mobs?
undone jacinth
if you just kill everything else in DOS and then do that route in ardenweald, you will get perfect prides and easy pulls
strong forum
you can just run around the dragon
he wont pull
the left side of him has stealth mobs
the right side doesnt
sand obsidian
awesome, thanks everyone
sweet frigate
should i stop at 20% haste?
strong forum
no
lofty widget
stop at 39
sweet frigate
actually?
sweet frigate
so 39 unbuffed stop okay
strong forum
si
aka not this tier
๐
pretty sure its borderline impossible to get to 39% unless you have legit every single prio haste item in the game
sweet frigate
okay
sick sentinel
yeah, i gotta go do the 2 epic world quests get 500 anima, gives me r25 for another endurance or finesse slot
shorter CD on a SW that i barely use enough as it is
strong forum
i feel like my SW is shorter than 2min CD even with wall now
cuz of my big dick haste
ionic fern
How much do you have now?
strong forum
27.55
strong forum
ye, got sire ring and hoa neck
is there a way to see on logs when SW came off of CD
cuz i apparently use SW only every 3min
but i wanna see the actual CD
tired cove
ye, got sire ring and hoa neck
Sire ring is fucking nice for tanking and just in generasl
strong forum
ye its huge
chilly brook
cuz i apparently use SW only every 3min
Are you just running the wall?
Or like wall with am
strong forum
almost 12 SS per minute
so literally 60sec SW reduction per minute
so 120 sec per minute total
so roughly 1.5-2min of actual CD
big
strong forum
damn
chilly brook
And in roughly almost a minute and a half
strong forum
yeah 1.5min
chilly brook
You had 21
strong forum
god damn
chilly brook
So 105 second
On top of the almost minute and a half from the CD already ticking
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
strong forum
chilly brook
It honestly gets super stupid with AM
chilly brook
I just say fuck it I run AM and if they struggle I play bolster
I actually ran AM on huntsman this last week and it was way better than bolster tbh
Since I'm dog boi
strong forum
im hunter boi except hecutis
chilly brook
Have wall for every other soul RIP basically
strong forum
i ran AM actually
lofty widget
do you tank dog or huntsman if you wanna parse btw?
chilly brook
Hunts
strong forum
100% uptime
lofty widget
ah right
strong forum
100% uptime
chilly brook
If you're dog boi your job is to be as tanky possible pm
Barghast kinda rips your parse
chilly brook
I put myself in this boat though tbh
I coulda stayed huntsman tank but I mentioned something about prot apparently being one of the best dog bois
jagged pier
I coulda stayed huntsman tank but I mentioned something about prot apparently be...
i didnt eve get a choice
missed first night
so i get the dog
chilly brook
It's not that big of a deal though tbh
jagged pier
and im jumping on conucil if we ever get there
chilly brook
Leap out at 5
Eat it
Chill for spawn
Charge into hunts
Rinse repeatv
Soulshape if I need it
Ezpz
strong forum
i just make my VDH do it cuz Fiery Brand OP
and he can imprison an add insta
if he feels fancy
nimble drift
HECUTUS
SHATTA BONES
the voice of altimor is prob what makes that fight one of my favs lol
sweet frigate
does prot use sharpen stones and str pots or oil and oil pots?
sweet frigate
ty
undone jacinth
cuz we do burn strat
burn strat? skipping a sinseeker or what?
strong forum
we kill Barghast before 2nd adds
undone jacinth
oki
sick sentinel
if i run one more 7 ill have 2 options for 213 from vault
strong forum
ye i run same Forger
strong forum
strong forum
for m+, probably
sick sentinel
oh, he was saying raiding, i see
hazy fern
ok ty
raven ore
<@!144870911969853440> can i ban all kyiren warriors
I'm going kyrian after prog
tired cove
I'm going kyrian after prog
-_-
raven ore
blazing condor
whats the best way to deal with the gauntlet in SD?
i feel like i just get smushed or have to kite = lose aggro = dps gets one shot
i know you can use the lamp but it feels a bit far in
hexed delta
I know it depends on a lot of factors; but in general what ilvl would you recommend to tank a 9?
hexed delta
Yeah, that's what i was thinking lol just got laughed out of a 9 at 198
hexed delta
yeah, It happens, was just curious since It's been a while since i pugged ๐
like "huh is my perception really that far off? EoD loot isn't even an upgrade on hald of these slots"
strong forum
whats the best way to deal with the gauntlet in SD?
1 pack by pack
push the boss each phase before pulling the 2nd pack
just take it slow honestly
undone jacinth
Yeah, that's what i was thinking lol just got laughed out of a 9 at 198
a healer refused to do a 5 with me because I was 160 ilvl and left the group
ppl are dumbbb
astral wraith
do you guys have an advice on the opener for trashes in mm+ (for venthyr)? I feel like whatever I do I have a huge issue with generating threat when I pull
astral wraith
do you have rage left for sb/ignore pain or do you wait to hold aggro and then demo shout + def?
astral wraith
so demo shout before clap then?
undone jacinth
I don't personally but I wouldn't say it's like a consistent intentional thing
I just prefer the extra bit of damage
first
not sure it matters a great deal
unless the mobs opening attack is something massive
astral wraith
well I sure get slammed pretty hard on pack opening If I don't have sb up on 12/13
undone jacinth
you always sb
if ur empty on rage u can just ss
u wanna be using ss anyway
also 99% of groups just have a hunter or rogue in anyway
astral wraith
yeah mine doesn't unfortunately :/
undone jacinth
premade?
astral wraith
yes
undone jacinth
well you can always tell them to wait literally 1 global to give you a chance to clap then
astral wraith
honestly sometimes I charge clap shieldbash my main target, then the dh starts beaming and I lose aggro on the targets I didnt shield bash
idk if it's normal or not, I do have a trash 1h weapon compared to the rest of my gear but I'm not sure if it's that huge of a problem
undone jacinth
if ur ss instead of tc then you should be revenging
does more damage
its maybe normal to have a small threat fight in the first couple of globals if hes going straight in
but after a revenge or two you should be fi ne
you're using ravager yeah?
astral wraith
yeah I'm using ravager but sometimes I use it at the end of a pack and I don't have it for the next
undone jacinth
well that is a significant mistake
but still if you're running wall you can get in to ss -> revenge rhythm
undone jacinth
shield slam
astral wraith
yeah ok for some reason I thought it was sb for shield bash my bad ^^
tiny sphinx
shockwave the pack to buy time
astral wraith
I'm not using wall actually I'm not running any prot legendary because it's my offspec and I don't have the 2 main leggos 235 yet
tiny sphinx
or tell the dh to keep it in his pants for 2 more globals
undone jacinth
nah dont sw the pack
and the lego isnt a dealbreaker, just helps a bit with the revenge rage
astral wraith
ok ty guys, I guess thinking about it the pb is more when I don't have ravager for the pull, I guess if I keep it all the time it should be fine
undone jacinth
yea I really hate not having it on pull
especially if you dont have spear as a back up
but also consider if you're able to pool some rage and stuff like that to help your opener
astral wraith
I can always condemn one mob and let my team deal with the rest right :p
undone jacinth
lol yea definitely can
astral wraith
fucking covenants I swear it's easier to level alt than multispec sometimes
undone jacinth
I miss being venthyr tbh
I know your pain but you'd be surprised how much you can do with it
astral wraith
honestly I know it's perfectly viable but it would be so much easier with kyrian and since I'm only tanking as backup I'd prefer it to be easier rather than having to try harder
undone jacinth
I honestly don't feel like it's so much easier
the spear is nice specifically for aggro and for a few nice leashes but I'd happily go back venthyr
phial also has a few spots where its insane but most of the time is nothing
astral wraith
thing is aggro is definitely what I'm having trouble with so spear seems like a really good solution for me, with condemn I don't even know If it's worth casting... if I finish mobs with it it dumped all my rage and I don't have it for the next pack and on boss it's okay ish but I still need to rage for ignore pain on heavy damage so...
undone jacinth
its not worth casting
on anything but bosses
imo
I also used to use it to get victory rush procs sometimes
mighty valley
really just talk to your DH if it's premade - it's really not much of a time loss for them to wait one more revenge before going bananas
staying ahead is easy if you hold them through the initial burst, it's harder to get them back if you lose them
mighty valley
yikes
dark lark
Kind of an obscure question, does anybody know how to reliably get the Soulcleavers in Mists to reliably cast Soul Split at the same time for a reflect? It's a .43 sec cast time so my boomer reflexes don't always get it. I've tried shockwaving both but sometimes their spell queue doesn't always line up.
undone jacinth
if you just leap in to the pack
like in the middle of them
they will both 'aggro' at the same time
so it lines up
because the aggro kind of begins when you land basically
that will give you the double reflect on pull
lofty widget
charging the caster in the pack works too, otherwise just hitting both of them with shockwave even before they cast will sync them up too
ofc you need to enter both cleavers melee range at the same time
lavish nest
Hi guys do you think I can go on "big content" (+15 or mythic raid) if I am venthyr? :)
dry sleet
how much haste is recommended for prot warr?
I mean... is there a ideal cap? for making shields always up
strong forum
Hi guys do you think I can go on "big content" (+15 or mythic raid) if I am ven...
yes
current r1 prot war is venthyr
and in mythic raid venthyr is big pump
its not recommended to go venthyr for m+ though
but its alright in raid
mighty valley
@dry sleet there aren't very meaningful breakpoints -- prioritize haste when you have the choice but don't be afraid of dropping it for ilvl upgrades
on everything except rings/neck, and even then don't get too attached to low level haste pieces
undone jacinth
you should have to read something about stats not mattering
before you can ask questions
xd
sick sentinel
nomerature discovered today that 39% haste is the softcap
before you start getting stat DR
strong forum
well not discovered
strong forum
but i just started pushing the narrative of it being somewhat relevant to softcap there
cuz 10% tax is a joke
and the 20% tax is somewhat relevant but very far away
undone jacinth
thought that was just the consensus
although not sure if I'll go for the 10 either
sick sentinel
i have no fucking idea how, but i have to learn how to run a prideful
can't be so bad...
sick sentinel
this week felt really easy for keys, but the best i did was a +8
i did my 10 runs, probably more,
needs more variety of dungeons,
strong forum
Ye 8 dungeons feels very bland
outer solstice
lol who tf at wowanalyzer decided to hide the timeline behind a paywall? xD
mighty valley
+10 is easier than +9 if your prideful route is good and your group doesn't stun each other constantly
distant iris
I've just started tanking today, for the first time in like 5+years, doing a few timewalking dungeons. Do they seem relatively difficult or is it more likely lack of experience?
strong forum
lol who tf at wowanalyzer decided to hide the timeline behind a paywall? xD
Well the owner
mighty valley
Timewalking def feels tuned harder than normal dungeons
outer solstice
timewalking can be quite nasty
distant iris
Like erudax, Jesus. Fight took 10m
mighty valley
yeah, some bosses are just wacky
outer solstice
Well the owner
well seems like I can't recommend it anymore then xD
distant iris
I don't remember it being this hard in Cata but maybe I've got rose colored glasses on
Started with TW because I expected it would be easier, no bueno ๐
mighty valley
cata was the weirdly hard dungeon expansion, but like... wotlk dungeons were always a joke at the time, and some of them can surprise you on timewalking
outer solstice
I like cata dungoens though ๐
undone jacinth
the wowanalyzer guy gotta make money somehow
still one of the best resources out there
outer solstice
yeah, put a banner up and ask ppl for donations,.... or tell them there is premium to support them,... I did in the past,..
undone jacinth
doesnt work
outer solstice
but won't anymore, paywalling existing features is a weird move, after you got a big install base
works for wikipedia and many independent media sites
also tehre is a lot of external input and community assitance going into wowanalyzer
undone jacinth
be real please
outer solstice
yeah but taking the community input and then hiding features behind a paywall... hell I even contributed in hacktober,... on one feature
mighty valley
isn't premium putting features behind a paywall?
outer solstice
yes
sick sentinel
@mighty valley thing is i have no real idea about how it works, seen it on some youtube vids and that, but
undone jacinth
the guy said he cant continue the site unless he pay walls
outer solstice
if premium would be heavily advertised with banners and stuff I wouldn't care I would even promote it and tell ppl to sub
undone jacinth
would rather have it than not
if the adverts didnt stop you from using it somehow
theres no reason to pay whatsoever
mighty valley
@sick sentinel every 20%, the prideful add spawns. it does stacking groupwide damage and shoots missiles out of players that everyone has to dodge. once you kill it, you get a big buff to go kill the next pull/boss with
that's all
dull zodiac
any tldr for thorgast? what powers to build?
mighty valley
try and route so you hit the next 20% marker at a good place
sick sentinel
so its uh, wtf is that one called 8.1 or 8.2
dull zodiac
going to do my first runs
undone jacinth
any tldr for thorgast? what powers to build?
get the execute power and then whatever
dull zodiac
the one whereu use it a couple times and then its basically perma useable?
dull zodiac
cheers
outer solstice
also +100% dmg
undone jacinth
charge 200% dmg also good
outer solstice
and shatter throw + 2000% (as it gives another power)
sick sentinel
are the missiles it shoots going to be a ton of damage?
outer solstice
missiles?
sick sentinel
i think i seen it murder a few ppl in yt videso
dull zodiac
u dont get hit by those
mighty valley
they stun and do a lotta damage
dull zodiac
very easy to dodge
mighty valley
best way is the person who has the debuff stand still, everyone else move around
unless you're ranged and can easily step aside
sick sentinel
does it hit for alot of melee ?
distant iris
It's the groupwide damage that gets you
outer solstice
it tickles on tanks compared to trash
distant iris
Another new tank question - every tank I run with always generally knows where to go, what to prioritize - that's just experience/watching guides I assume
Seems relatively difficult to keep track of vs dpsing ๐
undone jacinth
yea just experience and videos like you say
best thing to do is plan your route then you will start to learn what is good and bad to do
tanks also have to guide the group while getting smacked in the face xd
timber nest
is there something im missing with plaguefall trash? Gunk and claws just fuck me up after the spell reflect is gone
undone jacinth
you should be using bombs to kill the trash
so nothing should be alive for very long
urban portal
how does one optimize prot gear?
obviously raidbots isnt accurate since its all dps related stuff
sick sentinel
ilvl>haste>versa>rest
neat dirge
hey i made a WA for Sanguine Vintage, any1 want to try it?
it shows Overhealing, Effective healing
cooldown, when its active, color based on how big ur shield is
etc
dreamy shell
Just hit 60 - WQ/Callings/Torghast all Prot or is it better to mix in Arms or even fury ? iLevel is super low like 126
blissful pebble
Buy boe blues set off AH (168) should be v cheap you will replace soon but it will pay for itself by then
still sequoia
is it worth to play prot warrior now?
dreamy shell
Iโll check for the BoEs thx. I have a Prot Pally @sick sentinelevel 165 renown 15 but I just prefer Warr feel for tanking and hopefully fury again one day for DPS lol
blissful pebble
WQ/Callings/Torghast All of those you can do as Prot - Torghast is fairly easy as Prot
patent osprey
is it worth to play prot warrior now?
Always worth:) it's fun
sick sentinel
is it worth to play prot warrior now?
always has been, it's just a more up close and personal tank than the others
sturdy trench
spell reflect on Hyperlight spark on xymox got fixed right?
still sequoia
i changed covenant from venthyr to kyrian cause is stronger in arena and i was thinking to try him prot for pve
sick sentinel
for raid the top PW is venthyr, but kyrian is good too
venthyr gets 10% reduced dmg below 40% HP, so they were using him for mythic bosses.
most PW are going kyrian far as i can tell.
astral crystal
spell reflect on Hyperlight spark on xymox got fixed right?
Yeah you canโt SR it anymore
deft bridge
so im lined up for doing heroic sire tomorrow
and
im scared
any secret tips that can help during the fight?
astral crystal
Use cooldowns when moving through mirrors, you take back hits there
Make sure to debuff adds with the frontal
Also for p3 try to never have him in the middle of the room, thatโs about it
deft bridge
Use cooldowns when moving through mirrors, you take back hits there
i imagine these won't be blockable so sb is kinda bogus
astral crystal
Back hits are not blockable correct
You shouldnโt die taking one or two really, but just in case you have issues
deft bridge
ip at least ;-;
so it's basically the same things i would be doing on normal just more hard
you know, now im curious
how worth it is ip
is it better to keep it topped when possible?
vestal moat
Never prioritize it over sb if you are tanking a melee hitting you. But if you have extra rage after by all means do ip
sick sentinel
I don't know to what extent but back to enemy is by far worst possible scenario for PW imqginable
Can't block, attack, parry, maybe dodge,
neat dirge
yes
unique shale
how could you handle it
unique shale
i tend to die after cds go away
neat dirge
kite
sick sentinel
Sometimes if I know I have to make an evil pull ill prevail right before pull like I was doing a potion
neat dirge
go in with Shieldwall + demo shout
shieldblock
and pump out revenge
when shieldwall ends
heroic leap out
and chill
unique shale
if i keep throwing axes i keep aggro ?
sick sentinel
Just incase I get gibbed but is simple matter of hood aggro and interrupt the prio target after that so you dot die to spell
rocky helm
does it matter which slot i put thunderlord legendary? feet or hands?
unique shale
does it matter which slot i put thunderlord legendary? feet or hands?
feet for more stats
rocky helm
awesome, thank you
sick sentinel
Use ravager early on gives lots of rage and follows target
unique shale
i do use those but some groups get aggro it is wired
it happening often not all time
its more happening when dps doing alot of dps at opener
sick sentinel
If you do it correctly it will be scary for 15 seconds and then u use a cd to live through it
unique shale
If you do it correctly it will be scary for 15 seconds and then u use a cd to li...
y i could hold them but dps didn't kicking casters a lot and i got one shoted
mighty valley
some packs are better solo pulled, some you can do huge pulls and be just fine
but yeah, generally, pull, use cooldowns to survive + offensive cooldowns to build huge threat leave, jump out and kite when cooldowns are going away
and yeah, if your dps is not good, the key will be harder, that's just kinda how it goes
thin nexus
The real secret is having healer on comms to help juggle your cds and theirs
stiff wagon
Hey guys, new to learning prot warrior. Could someone explain to me when to use ignore pain and shield block... ?
stiff wagon
@dark lark So shield block whenever it's available? Should I ever leave 1 charge available or use both charges
mighty valley
You want to have the Shield Block buff on as much as possible whenever you are taking melee hits
So like, press it on the pull, then again when it's about to wear out, to keep the buff running
stiff wagon
Ah o kay.
mighty valley
Cover the downtime with the Bolster talent, and try not to put it up when the boss is, like, casting, or doing a mechanic, or whenever they're not hitting you
stiff wagon
So if a hunter or mage is shooting you, I assume you'd use ignore pain over shield block.
stiff wagon
Cover the downtime with the Bolster talent, and try not to put it up when the bo...
makes sense!
mighty valley
Like in pve or pvp? Shield Block does work against ranged physical attacks like from hunters (i think)
stiff wagon
In PvP.
mighty valley
whenever I load into a battleground, I mostly get told to switch to arms haha
but yeah, same rule applies
stiff wagon
@mighty valley In PvP, if a lock or mage is shooting you. Then it's ignore pain right?
cause from waht I'm gathering shield lbock is only for physical and melee attacks
mighty valley
yep, if all you're taking is magic damage, shield block won't do anything, so ignore pain will help more
but Spell Reflect will bounce the first spell that hits you
stiff wagon
yup i know that one ! ๐ lol
mighty valley
mages always cast the huge pyroblast for ten million seconds and then regret it
mighty valley
yeah, everything reduced by 50%
stiff wagon
Great thanks for helping me out Harrow.
mighty valley
๐
nova vector
Sorry if asked before. Will details show me % of attacks blocked? All I can find is % of block uptime
Thanks
lavish hare
Hi guys. Why cant I install threat plates? Just doesnt appear on my addon tab
The folder downloaded is TidyPlates_ThreatPlates-2
I take all inside the folder and put into wow addonโs folder
But it just doesnt work
What Am I missing
fallow mortar
ionic pewter
Guild wants me (horde kyrian prot warrior) to boost my dps on heroic sludgefist progression - besides casting more revenge and less ignore pain, any tips? Should I avatar on the pull or save it for the first pillar? Any specific conduits or talents excel on this fight?
jagged pier
logs?
jagged pier
i mean first off your dps could stop dying
modern gale
Dps are never to blame, just ask them
jagged pier
i mean theres a lot here you could do tbh
the big thing yes
you only cast revenge 5 times
which is kind of yikes
ITF is also more damage and better for raiding than Rav
so your running BV which means you should be casting demo on cd pretty much
that gives you a damage boost
but also u can use it on the pillars
so you do even more damage
you arent doing that here
also a big one you can take AM
you never need to tank sludgefist for long enough to take bolster
yes it does take getting used to
and you will need to ask for externals during enrage
jagged pier
you didnt pot ither?
ionic pewter
Thanks for the help! I'm usually too worried about dying so forget to push my dps buttons
jagged pier
hes pressing IP
strong forum
He runs into a pillar every 60 seconds
That means you can use spear on pull
And have spear ready for everytime he takes bonus dmg from running into a pillar
So you slap spear there in his face
jagged pier
same with avatar and demo
strong forum
If you don't wanna min max his pillar time too much, just literally use demo, spear and avatar on CD
Don't pump all rage into IP
strong forum
Just keep up SB when he's not casting charge or roar, then slap him with some revenges aswell
vernal scaffold
I agree with everything that was said above, use your CD everytime they're up.
gaunt dawn
Biggest issue is dps throwing it in the bin
vernal scaffold
And yeah check talents on warcraftlogs before every boss to check if you have the right ones.
gaunt dawn
2nd biggest is you (and many others) just not pressing buttons
Everyone (strangely not the holy priest) has mad downtime
jagged pier
And yeah check talents on warcraftlogs before every boss to check if you have th...
thats dumb, becuase a lot of the top ppl my self included take the dps talents and detriment to tankiness to log, if your progressing/ dont feel safe you should always play defensive
vernal scaffold
Fair enough, but we agree that Into the Fray is better than ravager in most single target fights?
jagged pier
its better for raiding as you have the buff 100% of the time
cold flame
so I charged into the second group in DOS and instantly died, what's the proper strategy? just kite everything?
vernal scaffold
You need a kick rotation on Shadowcore
vernal scaffold
The Death Speaker is casting a spell called "Shadowcore" that wrecks us. Try to reflect the first one and kick the second.
visual drift
How good are the fireland timewalking trinkets for tanking?
sweet summit
Outrange scribe and have your group kick shadowcore
hasty quest
Guys just for curiosity, can you have some look on my m+ logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JthBjAZCpxGTc8mW
jagged pier
for what?
hasty quest
Outrange scribe and have your group kick shadowcore
Care also on soldier cause oneshot you
cold flame
Ahh Ima stick to DPS, screw tanking that dungeon >.>
jagged pier
If I can improve something
improve in what, damage, survivability?
sweet summit
Care also on soldier cause oneshot you
Thats why you have CD up and rolling ;)
hasty quest
improve in what, damage, survivability?
Overall mate, dmg seems a bit low in general
jagged pier
10 casts of sheild wall over 35 mins when your runn the wall you can get close to 30
it should be around 1:30 reduction
i know travel time etc
hasty quest
10 casts of sheild wall over 35 mins when your runn the wall you can get close t...
I have checked and itโs 1.43, also I try to save for big pack
But maybe can be cast more often
Ill try to roll more last stand
golden pollen
Use mdt plan ur pulls/cd with then
jagged pier
u have a juciy damage reduction you should use it
golden pollen
Preplan where to big pull with sw
And then estimate how much time before it's up again before next big pull
hasty quest
u have a juciy damage reduction you should use it
Yes youโre right
jagged pier
your also casting LS and SB at the same time alot of the time
where you should be using LS to fill your SB downtime
mighty valley
The higher Revenge is on your damage done chart without anyone dying, the more you are contributing
jagged pier
but low 2ks damage is kind of yikes tbh im on 3.2k +
your probably just not using revenge enough
mighty valley
they asked about the m+ logs
golden pollen
Did u just SB and ignore ip
mighty valley
222 ilvl helps
hasty quest
but low 2ks damage is kind of yikes tbh im on 3.2k +
I mainly use revenge as soon as I can, sometimes on big mob for rage
jagged pier
I mainly use revenge as soon as I can, sometimes on big mob for rage
i mean you cast alot more IP than i do ๐คท
jagged pier
Did u just SB and ignore ip
i mean if u know the fight your dont really need IP tbh
golden pollen
I ot it, feels weird getting the cleave without ip
Then again, not the strongest healer in the world lol
Sometimes that fist chunks hard lol
jagged pier
if you dont have SB sure
candid niche
Does it matter if you cast last stand and shield bock at the same time anymore ? Thought they changed bolster to just apply an extra long shield block onto your character on use
hasty quest
i mean if u know the fight your dont really need IP tbh
I cast a lot of IP TRYING to stay alive as much as possible
jagged pier
but as I said you need to be comfortable with the fight
jagged pier
I cast a lot of IP TRYING to stay alive as much as possible
but IP wont keep you alive
hasty quest
Can spend more rage in revenge instead
jagged pier
if you feel like that then theres something wrong
hasty quest
Sometimes I am rage starved so I prefer to donโt use this offensive abilities
Jakey did you have some M+ logs?
golden pollen
Hmm 2 SB and then LS should be good for most pack
I do IP often when there's caster tho
jagged pier
Jakey did you have some M+ logs?
nope
strong forum
Your cpm are low on SS
And your IP casting is quite high
Another case of not pressing buttons enough
You underuse all 3, SS, TC and Revenge
Potentially out missing on huge amounts of rage and thus damage and mitigation
@hasty quest
These are my casts of hoa 16 I did this week
Now compare that to yours and you will see glaring differences
Apart the 1k dps difference
hasty quest
@strong forum tyvm mate
strong forum
For example
I used 320 shield slam in 27min
You used 325 shield slam in 36 min
That's an insane difference in rage per minute gained
That alone is a massive โ
strong forum
Oof ye thats also rather low
You're also wasting HUGE amounts of wage Dreton
By overcapping
mental scarab
Thats the ones that didnt overlap dho
strong forum
So you saying you don't have enough rage to pump into revenge is just a flat out lie, you don't pay enough attention to what you're doing @hasty quest you need to change up your UI or need to get more comfortable with the spec
Often people say "idk what I'm doing wrong I use everything on CD" but in reality they just spam 123 and hope something happens.
Need to actively track your buttons and look at them, often that can be fixed with better Weakauras in the center of your screen.
Takes some time getting used to but it'll increase your gameplay a ton if you can properly see what's ready, what isn't and how much rage you actually have
eternal comet
I was looking through the reflectable spells document. For the endboss in Necrotic Wake it noted the following for Frozen Binds:
"Prefers not to target tank - can deflect every cast on group with mass reflect"
Am I missing something or is Mass Reflect still a thing?
sweet summit
Misshapen mirror used to be a party wide spell reflect thing yeah
eternal comet
Ah, so now it's only the nearest ally right?
sweet summit
Yeah
eternal comet
Thanks, that was confusing ๐
hasty quest
So you saying you don't have enough rage to pump into revenge is just a flat out...
Thanks matey, really appreciate
onyx matrix
Ass to ass
jagged pier
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eager phoenix
I checked the SR sheet and was wondering about Sire spells & reflect. Can you use SR for 20% mitigation vs Scorn dot and Shattering Pain?
strong forum
Yes that works, but you have to use SR after he finishes his combo to not consume the buff
However it's recommended to reflect the last hit of Shattering Pain
So you get 1 stack less of the debuff
eager phoenix
aha, so its more value to take 1 less stack of scorn from the melee hit than mitigate 20% of the actual knockback?
strong forum
Well his last hit is the knockback
strong forum
Na his last hit is the knockback
eager phoenix
yeah ok, we casual as fuck with raiding and working on hc sire. running 2x prot and it seems pretty foolproof to just fly out into the red each knock. but was curious how to make it as safe as possible
undone jacinth
uh you never need to get knocked out in to the red
just walk the other side of him...
valid zodiac
Anyone that can share a weak aura that tracks party cooldowns?
jagged pier
zen tracker
south yarrow
Anyone that can share a weak aura that tracks party cooldowns?
This is also an option
ionic pewter
Got Sludge down just now, 600dps better for me thanks @strong forum @jagged pier
strong forum
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undone jacinth
anyone killed mythic council?
gaunt dawn
'sup
jagged pier
not yet because my dps cant get out of extinction on artificer
jagged pier
there is only one
gaunt dawn
Baroness > Stavros > Niklaus
gaunt dawn
whats the tank comp?
jagged pier
bdk, prot warrior for us
at this rate tho we will never get there anyway
cause dps have to finish casts
fuking mongos
gaunt dawn
i would genuinely not be suprised if they nerfed the add
as its clear you're meant to just prio it
how many priests and shamans have you got?
You might not need leapers
gaunt dawn
mm, true
jagged pier
but will see
astral crystal
Also priest grips
gaunt dawn
in the end i didnt need all of that
just feathers and a grip
(and gateway)
but plan for the worst, be pleased if its better
astral crystal
Yeah remember you only need to survive until dance
gaunt dawn
you do 1.5/2 laps of the room
and if you did the push right
you only do 1 lap at the end
weak ibex
what is the best legendary for mythic+ Thunderlord or the wall or what
because The wall combined with anger management can be very powerful
undone jacinth
whats the tank comp?
Prot pala VDH for us
gaunt dawn
VDH kite is mega chill
make sure they actually use the right talents for kiting tho
i.e. Abyssal Strike
gaunt dawn
yea echo did
and then they saw a kill video and went to the proper order
i dont think we have the DPS still for Stavros last
and Baroness last is straight up bonkers
undone jacinth
I heard that but never even looked up her abilities tbh because nobody did it
gaunt dawn
her p3 ability is a tank hit where the damage the tank takes, the raid takes
undone jacinth
hm
gaunt dawn
does 4 hits, each hit does more
cant swap between hits
also, its shadow damage
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undone jacinth
smart
gaunt dawn
its inefficient
when all youre skipping is adds you can easily avoid
you still have to interrupt
gaunt dawn
stavros last is an insane dps check
gaunt dawn
and you'd have to do that 3 times per phase
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(becuase of shields on boss)
loads of movement
undone jacinth
yea it was funny first week when people actually thought he was best last
gaunt dawn
TLDR - There's 1 boss order ๐
undone jacinth
like was in guides and stuff
gaunt dawn
he was best last for heroic
undone jacinth
nah
gaunt dawn
CDs first, ignore second
gaunt dawn
niklaus requires less from the team
more from the tanks
stavros last requires a little bit from everyone
undone jacinth
who cares about tanks ๐
gaunt dawn
but is a tad faster
undone jacinth
Iโll always choose the doesnโt require something from everyone option haha
unless the task is a healer task, Iโll do anything to avoid having to get healers to do mechanics
tropic cypress
Hey, is NF the best option for a Warr who plays Arms for M+ and tank for raids?
undone jacinth
simple but punishing mechanics
venthyr might be your best option tbh
but all are close
apart from necro
astral crystal
venthyr ๐
undone jacinth
go which one you prefer
tropic cypress
Im currently Kyrian and I really like the cove for warr but just trying to max out my dps a bit for m+
undone jacinth
you might do a little more damage but I donโt think itโs consequential enough to change if you like it
tropic cypress
Sweet
undone jacinth
what key level you doing
mental scarab
Spear is to good for m+ the root is like a vortex But does dmg๐ฅณ๐ฅณ
tropic cypress
14s atm but Im a little short on gear for arms atm but I feel like with a bit more we could have timed a few more. We was like 20 secs off a HoA 14 and honestly thats a super easy key
tropic cypress
Cool thanks. I usually tank but mates rerolled a venge DH so I mean
undone jacinth
what ilvl are you
tropic cypress
Prot im 207 and Arms 201 with awful wep and lacking a trinket
undone jacinth
well yeah that will be where your damage comes from more so than cov
14s are a decent challenge at that ilvl
tropic cypress
I assumed it was a gear issue but mates are like "80% warr dps is vent ability"
undone jacinth
lol
tropic cypress
i think they want me to reroll a DK but to hell with that
wanted to get the most out my main
undone jacinth
play what you want bro, people who chase the meta are clowns, especially if youโre doing 14s
tropic cypress
true true
undone jacinth
venthyr is probably more damage but you can make the most out of other covs
Nf and kyr both provide utility
and at the end of the day you just bladestorm and move on
tropic cypress
theyre very meta players my friends, ones started playing shaman this exp and the other DH so I mean i thought id come here for a more level headed opinion
undone jacinth
yea I mean I see people saying how Iโm gonna struggle in a 5 because Iโm not a VDH or players see a big pull and say โwow I guess only bear can do thatโ or something... for some reason the concept of player skill has disappeared from peopleโs brains
if youโre doing 14s and think the meta actually applies to you then there is an issue
tropic cypress
facts, id be a vulp prot warr if i was truly bothered about min maxing keys but as you say, 14s arent exactly the pinnacle of keys
undone jacinth
just have fun... the most fun Iโm having right now is on my 170 paladin trying to burn +7 packs before I die
after weeklies are done I donโt think SL really has anything rewarding for a key pusher
remote dawn
how much is the vulpera heal?
tropic cypress
nah thats why i tank raid cos its literally the only source of decent ilvl gear and even that is itemized terribly
they dont have a heal they have a damage reduction on first hit dont they?
tropic cypress
ah okay
fiery wing
can prot warrior push high levels keys i don't see warrior nowadays?
astral crystal
phial*
tropic cypress
reading is hard man ๐
astral crystal
can prot warrior push high levels keys i don't see warrior nowadays?
define high
fiery wing
18+ above
undone jacinth
also Iโll say it, phial sucks
astral crystal
nah, phial is great
astral crystal
18+ above
there's some prot warrs doing 18s
naturally you'll see more of the meta flavor up there and tanks with utility that's too good like monks
undone jacinth
if youโre not purging something valuable itโs pretty trash imo
astral crystal
what do you think the purpose is then if not purging something valuable
tropic cypress
i just use it when im thirsty
undone jacinth
healing obviously, not everywhere has some intense debuff every however long
astral crystal
off the top of my head, ToP and HoA have debuffs you can clear with phial, NW as well
pretty sure there's at least one in every dungeon
SD
all of which are pretty nasty
and idk about you but my group doesn't play 10/10 100% efficient every time, so it's there for that
ionic fern
Pretty much jeah.
Phial is great - especially if you do not have all the various dispells.
e.g i'm running with a druid so we can't get of diseases from PF .
undone jacinth
there are some spots I like it a lot like hoa but a lot of the time I donโt feel like Iโm getting much out of it
astral crystal
u gotta press the button to get use out of it
undone jacinth
thanks for the tip
astral crystal
np
undone jacinth
just think the cd is too long for what it is
can be like 4min or whatever
for a worse healthstone
ionic fern
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modern brook
Phials competes with door of shadows (lol), fleshcraft (lol), and furry blink
Were not exactly pressed for mobilitt
undone jacinth
the others do have some nice uses but not saying they are amazing
ionic fern
Feels like i'm the only one getting hit by things that the healer can't dispell so phial is of great value to me.
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undone jacinth
haha well yea like I said if uve got bad stuff on you consistently itโs nice
modern brook
Niche use -> unusability is worse imo than clutch dispels and a 3rd health pot
The only real argument against it is that you cant also be nightfae with it
ionic fern
I'd take aftershock + phial. ๐ฆ
modern brook
Cause for whatever reason blizzard decided nf will be the only cov with good soul binds
undone jacinth
itโs the full package though, a big reason I went kyrian was rhe phial
and Iโm now feeling like I donโt need it most of the time
just for the odd bleed
ionic fern
You do you. I'm really happy that i have it in almost all the dungeons i run.
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It's saved my ass tons of times.
modern brook
Yah but bleeds are our like hardest to handle damage intake
undone jacinth
I would go nf if my main wasnโt one already
yeah for sure the bleed usage is really nice
especially hoa
modern brook
Idk if you made me I'm p sure I can find 2 pulls per dungeon minimum where Phial earns its value on the clear alone.
Being a 3rd healthpot is also honestly big for long pulls
undone jacinth
you could probably find something that it dispels but not sure if that thing would be make or break
using it on long pulls is probably the thing that is bugging me, because it just makes the cd so long
modern brook
Fair enough but I'll stand by it's literally the best option and is enough to put spear over aftershock if you consider them equal
undone jacinth
aftershock is better right?
modern brook
Nf is better
undone jacinth
especially because you get niya
strong forum
Aftershock is big damage
modern brook
That cov is ridiculously overturned for everyone
undone jacinth
exactly
strong forum
But I'd wager the tether effect is better
undone jacinth
hm
modern brook
I prefer spear in general
strong forum
Keeps Bois from leaping around the circus
modern brook
It's a form of cc I think war really wanted
strong forum
Keeps em packed tightly
modern brook
And it's cool af
ionic fern
Spear in NW and ToP is awesome - screw those leapy boys.
strong forum
Spear is also insane on sunking
But thats a minor thing really
Cuz lmao just kill the boss
ionic fern
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Is there a tank that prefers anything else than Kyrian btw? ๐
VDH is kyrian afaik?
undone jacinth
ye
strong forum
For raiding everyone is kyrian
undone jacinth
probably DK
strong forum
But bdk plays venthyr
undone jacinth
you can play venth or necrolord if balls
undone jacinth
real men
strong forum
Bear can play necro
undone jacinth
nah lol
strong forum
Brm necro is also a thing
tropic cypress
BM Monk also?
undone jacinth
necro is fine for monk but kyrian is insane
and necro is fine for DK but venthyr more value and better defensively
weapons of order is probably getting a nerf
and I would say a necro bear is probably clowning
ionic fern
Think i'm NF on my bear - honestly diddn't put too much thought into that one.
tropic cypress
Ventyr on my Bear
undone jacinth
thatโs where the debate ends
apart from maybe kyrian pala spell
that shit is so fun
undone jacinth
when your holy power bar lights up to full after casting it ๐คฉ
ionic fern
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undone jacinth
it does so much damage I canโt stop playing it
ionic fern
I'm currently leveling a mage..can't wait to get invited to groups cause "mage fotm" only for them to understand that i'm frost.
undone jacinth
haha
had double frost mage in my top run yesterday
one was necrolord
no idea what that even does
ionic fern
๐คท
But jeah, i'm also gearing my paladin up really slowly. It's like 190 atm. Feels good getting declined from like +8's.
undone jacinth
my healer left a 5 when I was 160 after refusing to heal me
before the key started
ionic fern
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undone jacinth
people donโt like a challenge xd
undone jacinth
it wasnโt, we +3d it but it was clearly too much for him!
he was like 200 as well
heavy sail
I have a 190 fire mage rn
And to tell you the truth man
I have no fucking clue how to play that shit
Iโm bottom DPS constantly.
undone jacinth
are you clicking combustion
heavy sail
Yup
undone jacinth
then Iโm out of ideas
quick sim your character and see if youโre doing the same rotation?
strong forum
There's 6-9 ways of playing combust
undone jacinth
on 5 target
strong forum
Depending on procs
jaunty aspen
is it possible to get the Piercing Verdict conduit on a higher ilevel than 200=? and if where to get it=?
strong forum
Go practice on a target dummy
heavy sail
I always pump on the dummy
strong forum
Getting proper combusts done isn't as simple as it looks
heavy sail
But in practice I fat finger every single time
Respect to quality fire mages
My brain is too smooth
errant oriole
so i am atm venthyr for prot was originally arms when i first leveled, would you guys recommend swapping covenants?
heavy sail
Nah, play what you want.
undone jacinth
depends if you enjoy it or not