what about if i do LFR are any of the trinkets there worth a damn
#protection
sick sentinel
steady spruce
A'lar probably
sick sentinel
steady spruce
Alar is nice for M+ but try to get the normal 200 one
sick sentinel
this is what i have avialable to me, voracity deck, and 12s versa flame (1m30), 12s haste frond (whatever tf that is) (2m)
steady spruce
use scale and anima field
sour phoenix
Okay I’m sitting at 203 rn but have a 187 lfr neck that’s lowering my numbers
steady spruce
Maybe the 210 one if it's good
sick sentinel
its situational, which is to say its bad 9/10 times
you gain armor and HP regen, but at the cost u walk 50% slower....
undone jacinth
I looted one on my alt as my only high ilvl item
so gave it a go
it's legit funny how bad it is
watching your hp barely move
main silo
Im guessing the Iron Maiden conduit never made it to live?
steady spruce
no that would have been a good conduit and we can't have that
main silo
To be fair, we were fotm for pretty much an entire expansion M+ wise
Hopefully we'll be once again soon but
sick sentinel
you can still leap and charge with it active
it would be fantastic for do nothing sponge bosses
undone jacinth
you cant even purge the slow from stoneheart xd
sick sentinel
you can still unclick it or macro it away if you REALLY need to,
no, i can still remember in 8.0 warrior tank was considered pure trash,
deft vessel
NW 14, timed, barely, myserious havoc DH appeared
narrow prawn
is it always going to be this hard to hold threat on larger packs? I can hold it when avatar is up, but if avatar and kyrian ability are down, if DPS is spread out I lose it super easy
Im still leving
deft vessel
it gets better over time with more gear and as you get familiar with the spec, use taunt liberally
ravager also helps a lot
narrow prawn
I've been leveling with unstoppable force, I'll have to try ravager and see if the lower cooldown helps
sick sentinel
ravager moves on its own too
follows stuff fairly decently
so like, if there is 6 mobs in a group, and i drop it where there is only 3, it will move to where there is 6 targets it can hit, is why its so good
undone jacinth
I've been leveling with unstoppable force, I'll have to try ravager and see if t...
you dont ever wanna use unstoppable
sick sentinel
i am really curious who is going around telling prot warrios to use UF
narrow prawn
I've just been using it with booming, for fast aoe leveling
mellow patio
BFA is going around telling people to use it
sick sentinel
Blizzard Failed Again
narrow prawn
it was in the leveling build on wowhead, that's why I had it I think
undone jacinth
think a couple of the guides still have it in as an option
just havent been updated since launch I think
sick sentinel
icy veins is the most mainstream way of learning ins and outs of your class and spec
it goes over, tons of stuff like, 15 or 20 pages each spec.
dull zodiac
where do u guys put the wall , shoudler or back?
undone jacinth
shoulders
spice fox
hi guys, am new to prot tanking but am venthyr and i've currently got enough soul ash to craft a rank 4 prot leggo (not decided which one yet) . Can someone tell me a prot aoe opener, am a little worried about losing snap aggro
misty tartan
I do charge, then demo shout and shieldblock, thunderclaps,
Or charge, shieldslam, shieldblock
It often helps to place a skull marker so at least you won't have 3 ppl going all out in 3 different targets
shell fox
why the mini bladerstorm is good for prot?
misty tartan
Ravager? It's good rage generation and ok damage
misty tartan
Well the alternative is more thunderclaps and that doesn't generate rage and isn't even better on dmg afaik
It's good to control getting extra rage when you want it
lofty widget
UF underperforms atm, ITF is better on ST and ravager better on AoE
frail onyx
Should I be stacking Mastery or Versatility? My understanding is that Vers is 2nd to Haste, but I see a lot of prot warrs running lots of Mastery over Versatility
undone jacinth
there's not really a thing you 'should' be doing
most people think vers is better defensively
and mastery is better offensively
deft bridge
anyone else had the problem of kaal stacking on them during stone legion generals?
im getting hit by the ricochet thing because she moves to me as it comes back
sand obsidian
Whats everyones preference for last 2 talent tiers
shy yoke
Just a silly quesiton, whats a better consumable on the weapon? +20atk (Weightstone) or the 269 shadow dmg (Oil)
left burrow
M+ tank want to get my first legendary which one should I get?
undone jacinth
Whats everyones preference for last 2 talent tiers
ravager m+, itf raid, bolster
undone jacinth
Just a silly quesiton, whats a better consumable on the weapon? +20atk (Weightst...
I use embalmers for the memes but probably shadowcore, doesn’t make a big difference
undone jacinth
M+ tank want to get my first legendary which one should I get?
probably go for wall because you can use it in raid too but it’s your choice
lilac bloom
i'm having a problem with doing heroic sire can anybody help
undone jacinth
what’s the problem
lilac bloom
i'm doing to p2 all the time
its like i have no idea why i'm so squeeshy especialy walking through the mirror or b4
i've been told..warriors aren't good for this fight
undone jacinth
you will be receiving less heals when everyone is on the move so you need to prepare something for the mirrors
walk through sideways to avoid back hits
acoustic willow
Is Plaguefall just incredibly hard to stay alive in or am I just so bad that my Warrior turns to paper
undone jacinth
sire does a lot of tank damage, warrior isn’t bad
acoustic willow
Also did I fuck up getting TLords
lilac bloom
but only 1 time i use shield wall i survive
undone jacinth
you got logs?
undone jacinth
Also did I fuck up getting TLords
Not really no
lilac bloom
i dont have it.. how to access it
undone jacinth
Is Plaguefall just incredibly hard to stay alive in or am I just so bad that my ...
Plaguefall is one of the easier dungeons
acoustic willow
So I’m just terrible lol. Coming from BDK in BFA Warrior is so hard
But I got sick of YoYo on blood and wasn’t enjoying my bear
undone jacinth
just take the issues one step at a time, identify what’s killing you and how you can avoid it
undone jacinth
i dont have it.. how to access it
What’s your characters name and serv
lilac bloom
greystormz frostmourne
would help me alot if i can survive p2
i'm just too squishy
fringe marten
Started pushing above 15's this week, and honestly I just prefer the wall still have R4 wall, R3 thunder boots..and 226 shoulders to offset the boots... (and 226 boot for wall) so now I have a similar gear setup and still just prefer the wall. Having Shield wall up more often I feel is more valuable when the packs are like..clench your butt nasty to tank for a bit. (I still hate kiting but I'll do it when I have to)
lilac bloom
p1 is easy p2 is just terrible for me as a tank..
fringe marten
As has been said a ton of times in the channel though; both are good legendaries and both viable. The #1 prot war in the world (for keys) is Necrolord covenant, and uses the wall...The #2 and 3..? maybe 4...use Tlord gloves or boots, and a bunch after that use the wall.. and all except Plk (#1 atm) are kyrian.
So if anything what I take from that is; the dungeon route, the team, and how you play your warrior is dramatically more critical than both the covenant or the legendary choice.
fringe marten
P2 of..what?
undone jacinth
how do I see someone’s wipe logs on wcl
fringe marten
So #1, is Remornia AND Sire hitting you?
lilac bloom
sire
sire hits me with big massive damage i try to mitigate it but die and also ran out of cds
fringe marten
Make sure your cotank is picking up remornia, make sure you attempt to keep her near sire as you can..they share HP so you do double damage if you can cleave them both. I know the sword literally just F's off and does her own thing 90% of the time.
So if that's not the issue; how many stacks of the debuff do you have?
lilac bloom
not sure. probably 1 or 2
fringe marten
So: Make sure you are the On tank for the start of P2... IE you fly down (taunt before you even land, you can hit him while he's chanelling ravage and taunt him
but even taunt him again..smack him..leap toward the mages on the ledge; get him in position so he blasts the melee and range adds on 1 side..then your first taunt swap happens. (you pick up remornia, cotank goes to other side with sire)
lilac bloom
yah i taunted himmove him to the mirror right?
fringe marten
The reason you want to be on first, is because it makes it so that every mirror transition..you have no stacks of his debuff.
lilac bloom
yah which is what i did i survie the first one..
fringe marten
Then he'll blast cotank with debuff, remornia will be hitting you a bit at that point...you now move to mirror (cotank gets blasted) you taunt, he taunts the sword... you pop shield wall.
lilac bloom
other times. i am the 2nd person to tuant
yah which is what i did
but wat about the 2nd and 3rd time i go through the miriror
fringe marten
you don't want to be facing backward so you don't want to jump back through mirror with your shield facing him..becasue you can run right back through mirror...so just run..he's channeling hand of destruction anyway
you wait for hand of D..then run through mirror.
But you want shield wall up, or an external.
- you may get backhit 2. any and every time there's full raid movement is when tanks are in danger because healers are not healing...that's why I knew it's when you were dying before you said it.
fringe marten
wait..why are you alone?
lilac bloom
then they ask y i'm dying
cos probably i still have the boss while others ran back to the mirror
fringe marten
you taunt him to the mirror; he channels hand of destruction...EVERYONE runs through the mirror. Remornia channels her ? dash attack at 3 people...that's the queue for running back through the mirror, the people with her attack locked on..stay behind until she lands it.
lilac bloom
ill probaby have to sign up to do taht
undone jacinth
also you should be running bolster not AM if you are dying
undone jacinth
were you just pugging it
fringe marten
If you're running through the mirror..alone with a raid boss WTF you think is gonna' happen?
lilac bloom
and then just keep dying and dying .. getting kicked quite alot of times.. just fed up
undone jacinth
someone will have been logging I’m just not sure how to access wipe logs
lilac bloom
yah wel.. they said 1 person a healer to help me through that.. but oh wells
lilac bloom
so .. b4 going to the mirror everyone including tank should move together to the mirrror
fringe marten
the raid is losing dps time on sire, which is critical to phase him before all the adds pop up.
That's a raid strat issue, not a 'your prot warrior' issue.
undone jacinth
they can’t not go through the mirror..., there’s a massive explosion that will kill them all
lilac bloom
well they kept yelling at me why i'm dying i dont have an answer
undone jacinth
if they don’t go through
fringe marten
that means the raid is fighting from the middle doesn't it?
and the dps are running OUT to the edges to kill the first waves of adds?
lilac bloom
yah.. they were.
fringe marten
bruh.
lilac bloom
yes
fringe marten
das bad
undone jacinth
it just sounds like a total clown fiesta, needs logs to know the truth
fringe marten
I believe what he's saying. He's trying to pug it..is that surfacing as the dominant pug strat?
they're fighting sire in the middle?
undone jacinth
Not going through the mirror is not a strat
lilac bloom
they fight sire.. where the adds are
undone jacinth
the adds are next to the mirror
fringe marten
yes it is; hand of destruction doesn't change. in p3 you run away from it because tanks have him at the edges of the platform facing in ward...so you 'could' just..run away from it
(I'm not saying this is a good strat, i'm saying..someone COULD be trying to pull this off)
undone jacinth
that is not a strat
lilac bloom
most of them do it like that cos all vids says to do it as that
undone jacinth
if literally snybody knows how to kill it they are not staying in a raid that is doing that
fringe marten
That's what I figured after you said you went through alone; that's not how you deal with sire.
^^
what dolphin just said
fringe marten
..? You're telling him he doesn't know what the raid was doing around him, and he's hallucinating or lying?
(at this point we just have to take him at his word; and if that's true..it's obvious why he'd be dying)
undone jacinth
what he’s said isn’t even coherent in the first place but generally people who don’t know what’s going on get confused about what other people are doing yes
logs are required otherwise you end up in a loop
lilac bloom
well i just got to make sure i move with the group
or they wait for me to move then move
most likely they wont cos they trying to keep others alive
fringe marten
Ok; all I'm going to offer is this. If your raid isn't tanking sire on top of the adds, that spawn near the mirrors at the start of P2...that's doomed to failure.
undone jacinth
he’s already said they are
fringe marten
You said they were tanking him in mid..?! my brain.
lilac bloom
sorry
undone jacinth
you’re trying to decipher the explanation of someone who doesn’t know what is going on
Logs.
lilac bloom
top mid trying to face the beam to the adds
fringe marten
Ok then the first stuff I said holds. Grab him first, make sure you aren't EVER tanking sire and remornia at the same time..don't get too many stacks. and it will line up so you have no stacks when going through mirror. Pop a solid personal D, or call for external if you don't have one.
I totally understand why dolphin wants logs, but we're not going to get them in this scenario.
He's trying to see if you're blocking properly, getting hit by remornia..or other mechanics you shouldn't be..etc.
But since we can't see that; all I can offer is how it's 'supposed' to go.
lilac bloom
ok i'm going to try to get logs
fringe marten
I have a feeling you may be being hit by remornia..if you're really getting torn up. When we were progging heroic and my gear was much worse..I'd take some whacks from just sire..but that's when I was dry of my own cd's and NOT calling for external. Now I just don't need them
But if you have sire and remornia on you...you prolly gonna get merc'd.
the sword hits like a beast
undone jacinth
there’s a way to see wipe logs I just don’t know how
fringe marten
The sword, is the equivalent of the Destroyer? gargoyle or whatever..in the generals encounter..it IS the boss.
Sire is the mechanics you have to dodge.
fringe marten
And then there's the red lines from her..but if you don't dodge those you're likely getting slept anyway.
lilac bloom
that popped up quite a few times
fringe marten
that's why dolphin wants to see logs, as I said earlier.
lilac bloom
its hard to dodge those they go so fast
fringe marten
Crimson chorus, is the red swirls..you're getting knocked around.
lilac bloom
i am logged into wow logs but dont have the logs
fringe marten
That's personal fail; you have to fix that.
you need to have 0 hits from crimson chorus.
lilac bloom
i have to do big move from that
or little movements cos i know i was standing in between swirls
fringe marten
No; that's one of the issues with people learning how to do mechanics and or tank right; economy of movement. You can dodge a mechanic and not even move a boss by simply pivoting around them. you don't have to try to electric slide dodge everything~
If you're getting knocked around by crimson chorus and NOT being kicked off the edge; you're just getting lucky...and it'll still end up killing you because you're taking damage, and having a boss chase you and hit you.
lilac bloom
yah i was doing that.. but standing in between swirls is bad right?
yah i was popping cds for it
fringe marten
What can happen sometimes; is that as Hand of D hits, and you're pulled in..the raid kills an add and it pops the swirlies on the ground..that CAN be a problem that can be tough to get around.
If you aren't hit by the swirls, they do nothing..same with the red dash lines from Remornia. Don't run scared..play it like dark souls...stay close, dodge as little as needed..keep fighting.
lilac bloom
ok
fringe marten
So unless you're being pulled in to Sire, and dps just kills an add and pops swirls; then they're easily dodgable.
The overlap of Hand of D and add death/crimson chorus..is not super common.
lilac bloom
thats the thing
Hand of D and crimson chorus was at the same time
that mechanic.. plus going through the mirror problem
fringe marten
Then that's a dangerous overlap for the whole raid, like multiple people can get kicked off the edge. So dps have to push HARDER, or stop..and finish the add when you come back. Or just dodge out of the swirls; remember if that happens it means ALL the swirls are one concentrated patch directly under sire. You move 2 feet toward mirror..you're out of them. Once he casts Hand, you're going through mirror..simple as that.
lilac bloom
i seee.. but as soon as i go to the mirror he bloody comes behind me
and yah i know.. pop cds for it
fringe marten
It's happened to us a handful of times; it was disastrous once? every time after that people have that half second to move before they pop..they do; he casts...I go through mirror, Remornia casts her ? whatever ability maim? or whatever that dashes between 3 targets..I literally see her CAST BAR start on that ability, and I go back through the mirror.
So again; you've been tanking remornia near sire for like..literally a couple seconds because she just did the dash thing on 3 people..sire will blast the cotank..as he goes to cast that ability, you're going to mirror.
he casts...you taunt..he shadowsteps to you..to your face; so you're 'tanking' him ..then casts Hand of D 1 second later...pulls raid in; you're going through mirror.
he's probably going to auto you once before the Hand cast, so you shield wall/taunt..or whatever. both are off gcd
also make sure to have block up too
like you'd be 'actively' tanking him
so his auto and or hit from remornia doesn't chunk you before the other tank taunts/etc.
acoustic stratus
any tips on living on denathrius, I just die to melee during mirror transitions
fringe marten
I see what you did there Nyl~
fringe marten
It's a short transition where you're going to take potentially a lot of damage, especially if cotank has left remornia on you. So treat it like you're tanking..have block up, have Wall up because everyone is moving and you need a defensive up.
lilac bloom
i'm not sure.. my ilvel is ok.. i'm 211
fringe marten
it's not that..211 almost matches most of heroic castle. Denathrius is 220 I know but it's fine
We probably killed him and I was progging on him at like 204 or something
it's not the gear; it's how you're dealing with the situation. Now the rest of the raid needs to keep doing stuff too...but you have to do everything 'you' can to make that transition smooth for you, and the raid.
If they get knocked around by chorus, or they're not healing and dps'ing still..or cotank isn't taunting the sword.. that's not on you.
fringe marten
You are..probably.
In raids, unless it's a wipe because dps are crumbling and healers have died..from their own failed stuff. If YOU die..it's usually because you didn't manage something right. That's just how raiding works.
lilac bloom
i so wanted to stop playing cos i'm not confidnent on this fight till blizz do something about this
fringe marten
This is why people keep saying the legendary choices for M+ and such aren't as impactful as how you play. HOW you manipulate yourself and tank is the extreme majority of your survivability and ability to DO content.
lilac bloom
cos its extremely hard on warriors
fringe marten
It's not, warriors are one of the stronger raid tanks atm.
It's M+ where we aren't as shiney as we once were.
lilac bloom
its what most pugs say
fringe marten
Pugs/ the public..is always going to follow what high profile players/streamers/etc publish as tier lists and guides. So it will push the public perception a certain way.
lilac bloom
i do few m+ the rest is just .. down hill for me
fringe marten
If you're solid you will prove it wrong every time.
lilac bloom
yah if only i get the mechanics right and not die
fringe marten
it's been said many times, and even says on the icy veins guide that prot warrior tends to be less forgiving to mechanical mistakes than other tanks. That is true. We are powerful when our abilities are used right, at the right times.
Honestly if you would like a more durable tank that doesn't require as tightly managed gameplay...roll a bear.
lilac bloom
i guess it be a while till i get invited and use what u told me
fringe marten
But if you're failing raid mechanics as a bear..you gonna' die too. (usually..sometimes they can just cheese shit with CD's and just live it anyway)
lilac bloom
i've been doing prot tank for a long time..
fringe marten
hey yooo... doing my mortregar for the week, first 2 choices..one of them is voracious culling blade. 'bout to get fun in hur.
lilac bloom
i just want a learning group when they dont kick me for trying
acoustic stratus
like im just keep dieing in the second phase on heroic denathrius and my guild is getting tired of it
lilac bloom
yah u and me
both
like i complain to wow.. they should change it make more survivable for prot warriors or else its no fun at all playing
fringe marten
That's what I want for keys, but at this point if you don't have a locked in route for your 15+ you're smoking the key and they hate you. Everyone just wants to be carried.. IE expect you to know the route perfectly, exactly what you want done. I do for most zones...but a couple I'm like "?? HMM? on 16 fort? uhh...those guys? should we cc?"
outer solstice
@nyl do you spellreflect before going through the mirror? His teleport can be deflected
lilac bloom
ooh didn' tknow u can use spell reflect
outer solstice
Yeah it's unintuitive
fringe marten
See? WTF do I know..I didn't know that (? does his door of shadows have some kind of attack component to it? does reflecting it matter?)
outer solstice
His teleport is quite a nasty magical attack and doesn't reset his autoattack, so you tend to eat the magic + a melee swing in the back
fringe marten
Hm..it's not a scary transition any more. so just a personal defensive and it's nothing. But hey if it's nasty, then that'll help.
outer solstice
Helps a lot if your healers are slacking
fringe marten
That will matter whenever we get to mythic..but that feels a ways off.
I'm less worried about mythic Denathrius, than I am Mythic sludge.
outer solstice
... we haven't killed him on hc with the guild yet... But we're on hungering destroyer mhytic ... (And like 10 ppl killed denathrius in pugs)
fringe marten
So you have a guild that's kinda mixed progressive minded players and casuals...so a bunch of people just do their pushing in pugs?
outer solstice
Hm..it's not a scary transition any more. so just a personal defensive and it's ...
What else would you use SR on in phase 2 then? Just waste it?
fringe marten
No his frontal blast...in beta it was reflectable, and supposedly reduced some damage component of it.
well in beta it full reflected it
but now it's reduction from that I guess; but it would be up for that mirror anyway
outer solstice
Yeah but the frontal doesn't really deal much damage if you have no stacks
Oh we swap before the mirror
fringe marten
I'm fully OK with admitting I don't know stuff and am happy to learn.
fringe marten
Right..at that point I'm holding remornia, bear gets blasted..I move to mirror and taunt. But didn't know door of shadows had a damage component that was deflectable.
outer solstice
Oh wait
lilac bloom
wow i have to try that
lilac bloom
thats what i though
fringe marten
?
outer solstice
Well not really hard, keep your finger on a HS in case the healers are late through the mirror
I hate these hidden nerfs
lilac bloom
HS?
outer solstice
Health stone
outer solstice
You need to bridge like 1 second there if healers are slow
Nah NHS only in britain, not in shadowlands
fringe marten
oh..? Pulsing Rot Hive? never seen this power before.
outer solstice
Oo
fringe marten
From this wasp miniboss thing in Mortregar.
rose hill
Can anyone point me in the direction of a good video covering single-target rotations? I parse pretty well on BDK but I'm pretty fresh to Prot War
fringe marten
it's a nice dot, then little bugs pop out and fight for you ..
I enjoy the torghast content on the shorter runs now..it's always just a fun overpowered smash
undone jacinth
Can anyone point me in the direction of a good video covering single-target rota...
Use everything on CD then 1. SS 2. Revenge 3. Thunderclap
pretty simplez
rose hill
Right on. I take Devastator and seems like I have a good amount of downtime, might just be a practice thing
IDK how accurate wowanalyzer is because it says partial support
undone jacinth
with itf and decent haste you won’t have much downtime
rose hill
I did take ITF, that 10% haste was super nice
undone jacinth
you’re using revenge and TC to fish for SS resets too, so all that matters is not overcapping rage really
it’s a bit over 12% but yeah
rose hill
Hopefully my guild will let me keep going to raids as War for a while, would like to get a feel for a diff class. Thanks @undone jacinth
rose hill
Main reason I'm kinda switching over is because we lost our DPS war, so bring battle shout, and because DK mobility is kind of a hindrance at times (looking at you, Artificer)
undone jacinth
yea seen a bit of that
I dunno I like DKs self healing but the entire class has always felt clunky to me
rose hill
I just gotta get used to maintaining Shield Block and Ignore Pain instead of Marrowrend, rage management is a struggle right now haha
fringe marten
Get me Erry time bro..."BUTTONS!" "MRaaazzz" /cry 😛
rose hill
Always felt like I was empty
undone jacinth
IP is the skill point where you have to know not to just always burn rage on it
what Lego are you running
rose hill
I just dinged 60 this week so nothing yet, planning on building The Wall
undone jacinth
ah yeah wall makes it all smoother because you get that bit of extra rage
your stats all suck when you hit 60 as well so everything feels bad
I remember levelling and every level just losing a shit load of haste, feels so bad
rose hill
Yeah was in CN (norm) at 182 with a 151 neck and 155 shield
On a class I've never raided on lol
undone jacinth
Yeah I did a +5 at 150 ilvl was interesting
rose hill
Timed ++ I'm sure
undone jacinth
we +3 it actually! theater of pain
rose hill
Hell yeah lol
undone jacinth
the first healer left the group when I joined lmao
whispered me saying I had no chance
rose hill
"ew prot war don't you know the meta"
fringe marten
ugh..now I'm kinda stuck same position as other folks.
fringe marten
213 heroic neck from huntsman with socket, high mastery low haste. and got a necklace from 16 HoA..so very high haste low mastery. the 3 ilevel difference is SIX hitpoints. lol but it's 2% haste gain to lose 4% mastery. ehhh.
rose hill
Thanks again for the help @undone jacinth I'mma dip for the night. I'll come back with more questions I'm sure
fringe marten
I guess the socket is making the difference..may as well keep the 213
undone jacinth
nps any time
wouldn’t drop the ilvl especially with socket
the haste obsession does go a little too far imo
fringe marten
yeah and I'm 24% haste, so it's 24 to 26%..takes .1 sec off shield slam, probably doing .1 or .2 off of shield block..? to lose 4% mastery which is 4% crit block, damage..more IP..etc. ehh
If the 213 didn't have the socket, I still dunno. maybe. I thought 3 ilevels of stam on jewelry was more than 6 HP.
sonic lichen
anyone here use a wa to track shield block and ignore pain?
getting into prot warrior but figuring out how to better track it
undone jacinth
yea just google shield block weak aura
undone sun
there should still be one mentioned in #ui-addons-manager
in the pins, for the lazy #ui-addons-manager message
rich ember
Everyone ready to NOT run keys next week?
trim basalt
Im trying out tanking, usually play arms. Are tanking trinkets a must, or are DPS trinkets "okay" for low mythics?
trim basalt
I see. So what trinkets should I try to get for 10s?
rich ember
scale from de other side and whatever else really
care more for stats on gear and take what comes.
trim basalt
Right. Thanks 🙂 And Thunderlord best legendary? Or could i feasibly use signet ? 😛
The wall seems cooler than thunderlord though
rich ember
i use the wall for tanking, signet for dps
silver trout
pugging dps in the 7-10 key range is painful
mighty valley
nice nice, gj getting slammed against a wall by denathrius
polar arrow
yeah he fuckin hurts
aswell as sludgefist after he enrages
everything else felt pretty solid, but i was 195 equip ilvl
sand obsidian
Do you guys pull the dragon in ardenweald portion of DOS? The route I got off raider io for DOS has me pulling dragon. Never done that on M+
sonic jungle
in the pins it says both thunderlords and the wall for M+, is it because their better on different weeks depending on fort/tyrannical?
jagged pier
in the pins it says both thunderlords and the wall for M+, is it because their b...
nah its preference
jagged pier
a lot of top prots raid as well and the wall is far better there
and its on par defensivly and just a bit lower for dps in m+
sonic jungle
anyone done the math on how much cd is reduced each shield wall from the wall?
jagged pier
about 1:30 mins
with conduit and bolster
about 1 min
with am
and conduit
hte lowest u can get is 55 secs i believe
sonic jungle
damn so its like in M+, have Demo every pull/maybe twice a pull if bad dps for having thunderlord, or having Shield wall every 2 pulls lol
if you have the wall
jagged pier
pretty much
deft vessel
guys, I really am annoyed at my trinket situation, I got a 207 viscera of coalesced hatred, I've been using a 184 anime field emitter from before the season even started, at what point does the pure main stat of the trinket work out to be better?
viscera is simming higher on both hectic add cleave (i know I know) and patchwerk, obviously on patchwerk cus it's a single target trinket
but like, haste tho
and it bothers me so much, I'm 212 equipped with a 184 trinket
polar arrow
212 with a 184
jagged pier
i run 161 hynmal
polar arrow
ur gear is bussin gahd damn
jagged pier
and im 218 with that
polar arrow
yall must be in mythic
deft vessel
not that crazy
also 200 shield still -.-
I've done something in the neighbourhood of 30 TOP/NW/MISTS runs to fish for a new shield
12+
jagged pier
yall must be in mythic
i might be
deft vessel
and heroic xymox every week
jagged pier
and heroic xymox every week
just do pvp
polar arrow
only
jagged pier
1400 is really ez
deft vessel
yeah I guess I should -.-
it's so dumb
nearly 1.2k r.io still 184 trinket and 200 shield lol
polar arrow
now yall know how pvp'ers felt when they had to raid to get gear lol
deft vessel
fair on that lol
sonic jungle
aye jakey what trinket you using at 161?
deft vessel
the bastion one right?
sonic jungle
oh
jagged pier
does like 200k a dungeon
deft vessel
wut
jagged pier
yer
sonic jungle
is that a Kyrian only trink
jagged pier
at 161
sonic jungle
or anyone cant get
jagged pier
i dunno
deft vessel
not kyrian only
jagged pier
its from bastion wqs
deft vessel
kyrians can get it from their boxes for callings I think
but everyone can get it via normal WQ
sonic jungle
Im venthyr cause i main fury but im like setting up key tanking cause tanks are a rarity for my guild lol
deft vessel
the queensguard vigil is also really nice (for a WQ trinket)
sonic jungle
i have a 181 queensguard
sonic jungle
havent tested it yet
jagged pier
queensquard isnt good
sonic jungle
i use a 207 emitter and 220 sl herald
jagged pier
i use a 207 emitter and 220 sl herald
you should just use them then
deft vessel
for sure
I just use my 216 scale that i got early in vault and my 184 anime emitter 😭
jagged pier
vintage is from sire
deft vessel
this is my collection of trinkets from the start of teh expansion
as a reference of how much M+ I've done and timed
for the vast majority of my trinkets to be from world quests, early leveling and early dungeons
jagged pier
well if your running dungeons for loot
thats a bad idea
ive run like 15 this week to get my KSM
didnt get a drop
jagged pier
yep
vestal moat
@sand obsidian you never ever pull the dragon.
sand obsidian
Thats what I thought. Not sure where else to get consistent routes from, im a new tank. It's made by dratnos and has the dragon in it
vestal moat
Check out qazzi on YouTube.
Quazzii not sure how to spell it. But he has a great video for beginners . That dos dragon is total bait and if dratnos has it it must be a mistake. No one ever pulls it.
queen nymph
hey guys, i've just started to play prot warrior (only level 36 so far so please let me know if things change), but I've got a lot of downtime where my stuff is on cooldown. It's sometimes quite difficult to grab aggro back if it gets stolen, as my stuff isn't up... does it stay like this the whole time, or am I just doing things wrong?
tardy sequoia
guys how do you survive the second pull of de other side? I mean the one on the second platform
when i usually charge in i'm not in time of casting literally anything that I get oneshotted (example on a +12 key)
ionic fern
hey guys, i've just started to play prot warrior (only level 36 so far so please...
Leveling rarely shows the classes full potential. It will get better over time as you get access to more abilitites/ranks etc.
queen nymph
Yeah ok, I just thought I'd ask as I couldn't see many more skills left in the list
ionic fern
There's also talents to consider.RAvager for example helps a lot with AoE pulls.
queen nymph
Ah yeah ok, thanks! I'll keep trudging along
fringe marten
Malaachi I just did a 15 dos about an hour ago and was able to get through that pull np; but it's a kitchen sink pull. First I kill the tiki mask guy patrolling behind to give peoples CD's a chance to come back (including my own, which was shield wall from the first pull..and the tiki mask was enough time and shield slams (the wall) to get shield wall back. Jump in, shield wall, start ramping damage on the pack..shock wave 'em, reflect the first shadowcore cast, kick the second..start pedaling away from the pack..drop intim shout if you want to interrupt casts/etc again..at the end of your shield wall timer be getting away from it..and have druid dump treants on it (never said it had a happy ending)
There's tons of ways to deal with it, solar beam..etc. But you're getting away from the pack and making sure shadowcore gets kicked. Last week with enraging I was kiting the remainder of that pack up the stairs to LOS into the next area, and reflected a 50k enraged shadowcore back at him.
You aren't gonna' stand and bang with that pack for long; even if every shadowcore is stopped the scribes attacks are savage too, and you can't stop all of those.
I've been using this flame of battle 184 trinket the last few days, I'm diggin' it.
tardy sequoia
Malaachi I just did a 15 dos about an hour ago and was able to get through that ...
problem is that i only have Thunderlord rank 4 for legendary so shield wall is not up much
fringe marten
Then get an external CD for the first pack, and hold shield wall for that one.
fringe marten
I have Tlord as well @3 and I tried it a bit; I am just so used to how the wall plays now (the added rage gain is pretty nice, pretty much makes it so you can spend yourself try and 1 shield slam gives you a block, almost)
Honestly..I use it, I dunno if it sticks or not LOL
patent osprey
last stand demo shout is enough for first pack as long as people are kicking bolts
shield wall, demo shout for 2nd pack
fringe marten
Plka..bruh..we puggin' with rando's here...
patent osprey
kite after wall is over
fringe marten
ain't nobody kickin' squat for us~
patent osprey
just kite earlier then
fringe marten
But yeah that's basically what I said, if you can't get up wall for pack 1 and 2, you NEED it for 2.
patent osprey
yeah 2 u have to use it on pull
if u want to see how I do it you can check my VOD from today. twitch.tv/plkatv I have many failed dos 20s lol
fringe marten
yeah, if you go in without wall up, you will get about insta clapped at whatever key level is challenging for you. I think people over stress how scary shadowcore is, it IS..but the scribes are basically the hidden assassins in there.
patent osprey
but I never die pull 1 or 2
fringe marten
Especially if your team is at all helping you..with treants, or something, or just you running away, if you get in with wall, kick or reflect shadowcore 1, shockwave..get some threat and get out..once wall is over you'll have enough threat and can get away clean.
patent osprey
shadow core is worse because he casts it at like 40 yars range where as the scribes cast much closer. so when u kite scribes will just keep lotusing
so even kiting shadowcore it rocks so ^.^ people have to kick that
fringe marten
Right; once you cast the scribes aren't deadly..at that point is just shadowcore, and if your team is kicking it'll get stopped, if it's not...welp..in about 15 seconds you can reflect the next one~
Also Plka is the renegade that's trying to make Necrolord fashionable...
I envy him for their xmog..it's so dope.
tardy sequoia
How tf you don’t die in pull 2? It’s terrifying without SW at least,
patent osprey
venthyr
fringe marten
Kyrian mog is goober~
patent osprey
:)
tardy sequoia
Charged in, Insta dead
fringe marten
Necrolord is the little 4 way..shock thing right?
fringe marten
ah..that means he's a goober and plays fury for his raid.
strong forum
pull 1 usually also just dies cuz everybody is using CDs + Lust
fringe marten
However..doesn't Venthyr have a really nice conduit for low HP mitigation?
strong forum
so wall shouldnt be necessary
fringe marten
Yeah mwahi..that's what I meant.
patent osprey
However..doesn't Venthyr have a really nice conduit for low HP mitigation?
it does but in high keys I need damage not mitigation
my warrior doesn't really die
unless things go wrong
just needs more damage
fringe marten
Because you ain't warrior'ing like we s'posed to.
You go in..you stay in. Warriors not supposed to pull out. This xpac got us afraid to finish~
patent osprey
that's bait
ionic fern
I mean..your survivability is heavily dependant on your group.
tardy sequoia
I agree with dadugan
fringe marten
I know Plka; if your dps are aggressive/strong and pushing..you're fighting for aggro without MD or something.
strong forum
well venthyr doesnt help you with aggro :^) only helps pushing bosses
fringe marten
I love how I can say "ok we're going to LoS right here.." and as the pull is coming down the stairs..I see a fat owl chicken flailing his arms around casting.
It's worse than raid pulls, where they are precasting wrath @4 seconds
ionic fern
😂
strong forum
well thats a separate issue
fringe marten
literally..4..3...I see stars coming out of the chicken...
tardy sequoia
Next question I have is: where do you keep first boss of SD?
fringe marten
Like ..when hungering destroyer moves he's such a dick to get back in place.
strong forum
far away
misty tartan
Next question I have is: where do you keep first boss of SD?
I go from one way of the room to the other on orbs and let healer handle it
strong forum
its as simple as that, keep first boss far away for his severing smash, you leap out before he finishes cast
then you go back in after having dropped off the orb
tardy sequoia
Sense keeps all party stacked one side, then when he does the orb thing, he leaps away and charge back in to boss
strong forum
yes
tardy sequoia
Last time I tried that he soaked all the orb lol
On tanknotes.com the site told to Stack the party one side and tank alone
strong forum
all that matters is for everyone to be far away from the boss when he does severing smash
tardy sequoia
Keep boss in the half space so you are supposed to kite him away
strong forum
everything else is kinda yolo
fringe marten
Plka doesn't even tank for raids and still made the wall for M+ I guess? or did it because you OT in raids?
strong forum
- you need a venthyr in high keys and nobody plays venthyr
- hes dps in raid
- apparently they need the boss/prio dmg
tardy sequoia
Btw guys icyveins and wowhead suggest thunderlord for m+ and the wall for raids but what are you using? The wall even for m+?
fringe marten
well..in 2 keys.. and yeah no one plays venthyr. Remember the start of the xpac when M0's were progression and like half the people were venthyr? I always had vampire bros in groups... then ..everyone saw how much damage the night fae crap did for almost every spec, AND that they got a blink.
strong forum
ive played all since week2 for m+ cuz of QoL rage gain from SS and i hate the long CD on SW without it
ionic fern
Btw guys icyveins and wowhead suggest thunderlord for m+ and the wall for raids ...
Both work. Some prefer The Wall, others prefer Thunderlords.
strong forum
TL is good for intermediate keys but im starting to think wall is definetely the better play for higher keys
tardy sequoia
But what are the differences in the end? Does TW give more survivability?
fringe marten
Malaachi you can use both, and you'll see evidence on IO leaderboards of people using both. Plka is currently the #1 prot and he runs the wall..the next 2/3 or so guys after that are using Thunderlords..some after that use wall..etc.
strong forum
Wall grants more uptime on a big CD, tl grants more uptime on a small CD
thats the only real difference
and less frontloaded rage from TW but more consistent
fringe marten
Tlords are going to have a higher uptime on demo shout, so you'll have both the 20% DR and 20% damage from that more often. The wall has the smoother boost in rage gen from each shield slam giving 5 more rage (but tlord also means more demo shout 40 rage boosts) and reducing the cooldown of Shield wall substantially.
Yeah, the 'feel' of the wall..I didn't think would be that big a deal. But when I use my Tlords I feel like I'm always starving for rage. It shouldn't be that big a difference, but it's just the anecdotal evidence I got from running a few keys with each strictly for myself to compare.
fringe marten
But that's not mathematical at all, it's simply being used to hitting shield slam and generally that being enough for a block charge. (if you have a few spare rage)
I might feel the same too; if I had spent my first few weeks in the xpac with Tlords.
strong forum
ye i had the same feeling when starting to play wall
fringe marten
Did you craft Tlords first?
ionic fern
I've been trying to play THe Wall in a multitude of dungeons now but i just miss my double DS. 😦
fringe marten
Because I had to make sure I was 'raid ready' I had to dive into the raid lego ASAP and fully max it.
tardy sequoia
and what are the gameplay changes? for example with TL demo shout gets incorporated with rotation
strong forum
you still use demo
ionic fern
^
tardy sequoia
but then.. when to use SW? and how much cooldown reduction? like 1 min?
fringe marten
So for weeks I was only playing with the wall. So when I swapped out to Tlords..it just fealt 'off' even though I was using demo more often.
tardy sequoia
that's roughly every 1-2 packs
strong forum
both wall and AM are roughly 50% CDR for SW
fringe marten
Between the wall legendary, and the conduit that reduces the CD of shield wall directly; shield wall is at least cut in half if not more. that's without using AM.
strong forum
ye but i dont have the need to use it often enough to use SW on CD
but having it sit on a 4min CD is just brutal
fringe marten
That conduit is substantial too.
strong forum
yuh
tardy sequoia
what is AM?
fringe marten
because once you start looking at SW as a 2 min'ish CD 30+ seconds off it is strong.
"Anger Management"
strong forum
Anger Management, talent, but you dont play that outside of raid usually
fringe marten
The talent that now COMPETES with Bolster...which it did not in BFA.
tardy sequoia
while for raids AM + unstoppable force
fringe marten
That change hurt more than anything IMO.
strong forum
no
dont play unstoppable force
dont
absolutely not
you play ITF in raid
NEVER do you play Unstoppable Force, never ever
fringe marten
I was fully ready to lose corruptions, you knew that was borrowed super power that was going away. But always having bolster, and always having AM were just...? the way it fealt to play prot warrior.
tardy sequoia
shit that's true they changed build
fringe marten
and yeah..the bigger part of AM was what it did for last stand AND avatar. so it synergized so well with everything in BFA. (the azerite/avatar synergy)
fringe marten
I don't quite get why they would take last stand reduction off AM..IE a nerf to AM. Then make it compete with the talent that was 'strong' because of AM reducing last stands CD...like? it's double nerf.
tardy sequoia
quoting IcyVeins
Unstoppable Force Icon Unstoppable Force has undeniable synergy with Anger Management Icon Anger Management, so it will get stronger if you are pairing the two together. It also makes using Avatar Icon Avatar a lot more satisfying, as you can use Thunder Clap Icon Thunder Clap every other GCD. Thunder Clap is also one of our rotational Rage generating abilities, so the extra casts will also provide us with extra Rage.
While the Haste provided by Into the Fray Icon Into the Fray is a nice passive bonus, it can feel a bit underwhelming when compared to the other 2 options. Haste reduces the cooldown of Shield Block Icon Shield Block, Shield Slam Icon Shield Slam and some other abilities making it a competitive option in certain scenarios.
i am not going against anyone, just trying to understand here
fringe marten
It synergizes 'with' AM because AM reduces avatar CD yes...but the way M+ works now, or rather..the way WARRIOR works now; we don't have near the block uptime we used to have because of the nerf to AM reducing last stand, and bolster making last stand 'block'. You HAVE to have block up to 'tank' stuff in M+ that's at ALL challenging.
fringe marten
So the only way to increase our block uptime aside from haste, is having bolster..so you're just forced to take bolster essentially.
fringe marten
Unstoppable Force was only a thing because: Tclap was actually decent..they took what? 30% off it's damage towards the end of BFA. But because we could have BOTH Bolster and because Anger Man's reduced last stands already short 2 min cd (due to bolster) it made AM synergize really well with us.
tardy sequoia
says Unstoppable force is not worth picking
OK im changing to into the fray then
fringe marten
Blizz taking Last stand off of Anger man, AND forcing it to compete with Bolster..essentially gutted that talent.
ionic fern
Have to realize that guides are a starting point. There are people out there who just run around doing +2's and living a happy life. Nothing wrong with giving information on synergies on all the talents. If they go to m+/raiding pages separately they can read up more precisely.
fringe marten
You now only talent AM when you aren't concerned with defending yourself..and you're pushing for damage ONLY; because you take AM basically ONLY to get more avatars off.
tardy sequoia
You now only talent AM when you aren't concerned with defending yourself..and yo...
got that
but it reduces SW as well
fringe marten
And M+ is a lot more dangerous than raiding ATM lol...so you're simply forced to choose bolster for better block uptime, and the ability to have a nice self heal through LS on a shorter cd. but 99% of that is for the block uptime.
Right; but again...if you're worried about defending yourself ..you're needing more block time. AM doesn't reduce SW enough to allow us to consider using it instead of bolster for defensive purposes.
tardy sequoia
im running bolster for M+
and YES i'm definitely worried about defending myself lol
fringe marten
If the combination of the conduit, the wall, and AM could get shield wall near like..the 40 second mark.. maybe then there could be an argument for it being used for defensive purposes.
and oddly enough That could be possible if we could somehow get an INSANE amount of constant rage generation and be able to literally tap ignore pain as fast as we could; just for CD reduction.
tardy sequoia
ok talents now i know not to run UF
fringe marten
I wonder; as a science experiement..if we had an endless rage bar how fast you could bring back shield wall? I can actually test that in torghast.
strong forum
55sec
fringe marten
LOOL did you try?
strong forum
maffs
fringe marten
you got the ragemote and tried to see how fast you could get it back?
fringe marten
...F THE POLICE..wtf?
strong forum
thats why its a shit anima power
fringe marten
oh that's so whack (I never really bothered to look at it from a cooldown reduction stand point)
sweet summit
imean if you read what ragemote does youd know 👀
fringe marten
No it's an awesome anima power.
sweet summit
ragemote+condemn any hp+condemn knockdown= 📈
fringe marten
? in my little run today for my ash my first starter power was voracious culling blade..by floor 6 I bought the ragemote and 30% dps pot..
charge..avatar/demo...and nothing but execute
like 10 seconds later boss is gone
fringe marten
in torg I purely build for bosses, we never struggle with the AOE, just the natural boost in str and the 'single target' damage powers end up powering you up so much the trash doesn't matter.
strong forum
i build for trash
cuz bosses dont matter
:^)
bosses do nothing, getting through all the trash to the bosses, thats the hard part
skipping as much as you can
fringe marten
things like corruption antenna, etc etc..the random frost finger procs..that kinda' crap. Eventually you get a choice between those and the stupid..Berserker fury is 300% longer or heals 5% or something
fringe marten
aw no I did each floor, killed everything..I wanted to have fun with it.
i wanted to get as powerful as I could
strong forum
eww
strong forum
no, log off
chilly brook
Also I'm actually considering playing ret God help me
fringe marten
OHH have a life? hmm..naw
left trout
can anyone explain to me how to change the color of the rage bar weakaura at certain amounts
strong forum
i play wow as little as humanly possible without being a slacker
fringe marten
I go to work..come home..raid, hate the game..log off, get late dinner..then log back on and do stuff that's actually kinda' fun. Then when I pull up twitter and talk to some chick..and she wants to go out somewhere or meet..I realize I'd have to put clothes back on, and just don't respond.
strong forum
thats alot of free time wtf
chilly brook
Lol
fringe marten
Yee..I didn't say I didn't have it..I said I do nothing with it~
occassionally play pool LOL
chilly brook
Tbh fuck tanking rn
fringe marten
Bro...doing stuff...takes initiative.
chilly brook
I just wanna pump
strong forum
for me its, come from work, raid, go to bed, go back to work come back, chill for 2-3hrs go back to bed, go to work
fringe marten
Like..you gotta'..GO SOMEWHERE to do stuff. NAW..F that.
strong forum
i have like 4hrs of freetime per day
fringe marten
If I wanna really REALLY waste my time...I jump down this hole in the middle of the new "boralis" and I pop up in Tim Burton World.
strong forum
cba spending that for prolonged times in torghast
or playing keys outside of weekly
fringe marten
And then I run around on my undead dog mount..and look at how cool the area is, and that the content is worthless...then hearth back to Blue Man Group HQ.
fringe marten
ALso..that kyrian questline. ?! She like..got some power from the maw or something..and was like "FUCK YO COUCH" and blew up their trainee promotion stand... then we rebuilt it, she tried a "Direct Assault" and then me and 3 trainees absolutely OBLITERATED her entire army, and she got clapped insta in blue man group base. what was that even ABOUT?
That extra action button during that final quest...good lord pelagos, Kleia, and mikanikos alone could have shit on her entire army.
Total side note..this "Thiji Higuri" guy that's streaming wow playing with a ps4 dualshock and motion controls... that shit looks legit fun AF.
fringe marten
Playing prot warrior like that would be actually a beast work out. He plays a mage..if you haven't seen him you should check it out. He fully commits to that 'role play' and it just looks actually pretty cool that he's able to play fairly ok with it. The guy isn't doing cutting edge content..he's streaming like..6 keys and normal raids.
fringe marten
There's also like..a dozen? (if they still play) blind people that play wow with their own special client that has audio queues for raid mechanics.. one of my old guildmates raided with one of them. And that blind guy could dodge mechanics better than the idiots failing to it.
strong forum
and told em they need to step up their game
fringe marten
If that dude can literally like Ru Paul runway walk around mechanics...WTF we got people killing each other with chains on sludgefist?
"I used my..shriekwing trinket..and then I jumped to the boss..and..and.." /sigh
royal ivy
Maybe I remember wrong but had Ravager increase parry chance before?
strong forum
yes
royal ivy
when was it removed?I was almost 100% sure it was still.
strong forum
SL pre-patch
ravager got reworked cuz it was so absolutely terrible
and now its actually good!
royal ivy
thanks for info
modern tundra
hey guys, i'm soon hitting the 30% vers mark and already have 30% haste. With the new stat DR whats the best play here ? do i keep stacking both into the DR or just focus on other stats and try to keep them around 30%
30% with into the fray that is
strong forum
ITF doesnt play into the tax
only raw rating does
so until you reach 39% haste before ITF you continue stacking haste
the 10% stat tax is irrelevant, ( which sets in at 30% of RAW VALUE )
only the 20% stat tax ( which sets in at 40% raw value) might make you consider getting a few other stats
% increases like Heroism/Lust and Into the Fray will not incur a stat tax/dr
modern tundra
alright thanks alot for the help!
strong forum
ye if youre close to full pvp gear its very easy to get there, but i wouldnt focus on it (vers)
fringe marten
god I wish ravager gave parry like it used to..
valid zodiac
They need make Heavy repercussion baseline. They can remove the rage gen and maybe even reduce the time it extends the shield block but make it baseline
Shit sucks for a last talent tier
strong forum
Parry ravager was dogshit
fringe marten
the ravager itself..the parry was nice; I don't want that ravager back..I want ravager now WITH that parry.
It's an ok talent bashta but you aren't wrong; what it competes with outshines it pretty significantly I think.
strong forum
Nobody does
mental scarab
Its legion BDK all over again🙃
lime urchin
do I replace spike with Hymn for m+?!
strong forum
If the sim tells you so, probably
Unless you value the healing spike provides a bit more
Cuz hymn will defo do more damage than spike
smoky saffron
Is hymn good might be a repeat question if so is it just M+?
sick sentinel
since you are around now i wanted to ask are you using scale mostly for the attack or asborb? or just whatever on CD in combat
strong forum
Is hymn good might be a repeat question if so is it just M+?
its good everywhere, it does 100 dps
sick sentinel
help
what happens if i do m+ in raid
the % bar is filling up
so seems like might be safe
strong forum
nothing changes
sick sentinel
How do people feel about the slimy consumption organ for m+? Been playing with that and blood splattered scale from hakkar. Feel the stam ofc is not better than any str trinket, but the on demand healing just seems to nice
undone jacinth
it’s okay
sick sentinel
i never had that happen on me before
undone jacinth
just prefer to have something that gives better stats or output
trim basalt
For the basics, do I "just" keep shield block up. Like, when my 2nd charge is about to CD, I cast it?
And then I spend excess rage on ignore pains
And with The Wall legendary, i use shield wall as a more "normal" rotational ability
trim basalt
Oh? So, could I in theory just macro it in with shield slam? 😛
undone jacinth
There’s no unless
trim basalt
Yeah, thats where the know-how comes in. The practice and experience of when shield block is worth and when its not
sick sentinel
yeah thats right too, because its 2 charges, so you'd waste it
lilac sleet
If you want to test out pulls and aggro range of mobs to skip, can you do it on normal difficulty?
is it the same as M+?
strong forum
damn
didnt break into 4k overall in hoa 😦
but i did get HoA neck 😄
27.5% haste
im GAMING
then im going to get pvp belt
and ill have almost 30% haste
undone jacinth
If you want to test out pulls and aggro range of mobs to skip, can you do it on ...
yea
enough haste to be viable 😂
visual drift
hm if i have problems to get enough management of shieldblock should i go for heavy repercussions or bolster?
sweet summit
bolster
fast needle
hello. Any prot warriors that have tryed Seismic Reverberation?
ionic fern
Yes.
fast needle
what do you think of it?
I think it could be very useful for dmg and threat generation combined with best served cold talent
visual drift
bolster
Do i need to change legendary then? atm i use the boots with thunderclap but maybe i will work on shoulder with the wall if its pair better
undone jacinth
if you’re talking m+ then no you don’t need to change
visual drift
yes. doing only m+
but stuck at 8-10 with random and can't get my r.io higher so i will try to chance something to do perform better
i suck at kiting btw. hate the kiting system atm
undone jacinth
I think it could be very useful for dmg and threat generation combined with best...
you would be sacrificing wall/tl and BV for what is probably not a very good damage increase... in the content where it’s good you might as well just use signet or something
undone jacinth
i suck at kiting btw. hate the kiting system atm
you don’t need to kite in 8-10s u less you are extremely undergeared
undone jacinth
you probably got kicked because you were misplaying not because you weren’t kiting
visual drift
Nope. they said i have to kite-.-
undone jacinth
they probably said that because you’re dying and they are clueless
you just don’t have much experience - you can’t keep doing 8 mists/hoa and think that’s gonna prepare you for other dungeons
visual drift
Well i try to change something anyways. If i play with friends it goes smoothier
undone jacinth
Focus on keeping your defensives up and learning what the mobs do
hallow phoenix
undone jacinth
the gargons are the only mobs you kite and phial delays that too
Oh and stop running unstoppable force & AM
Use ravager & bolster
undone jacinth
I swear your ratio of keys done must be 99% mists
strong forum
pmuch
10 mists
11 hoas
3 NW
i only get hoa and mists keys from vault
so far
strong forum
thats almost more theatre keys than ive done total across all keys
smoky wave
Hoa and dos for both me and my wife. Still only on a 2 sd cos no one in the guild gets it as a key 😫
visual drift
will do will do. Thank you guys
undone jacinth
dos is a very sad key
although I'm gonna try a nice new route next time I'm there
smoky wave
Maaan, the envy is real. I've still not timed a 10. Done 13s out of time no both but two shots at dos10 timer and both 1min short
fast needle
you would be sacrificing wall/tl and BV for what is probably not a very good dam...
Thats what I have read. Im looking for someone who has tried it and has experience with the play style. What i have noticed from my runs so far, is that i have a lot of rage to burn during ravager or ancient aftershock. With a lot of aoe cc from me and the group i mostly dont need the rage for ignore pain so i spam revenge a lot. Thats why I consider crafting this one
mighty cairn
which between a 203 Anime Field Emitter/207 Sanguine Vintage should I replace with 220 Stone Legion Heraldry? or would it change up depending on M+ vs. raid
strong forum
replace theeeee
:hmm:
idk
up to you
vintage is nice to fill some gaps or eat shitty magic casts
mighty cairn
ye at first I assumed it was the emitter for m+ because I spend most of the time kiting out of the circle
but the haste just feels really nice in general
patent osprey
I would replace field emitter
any trinket that forces you to stay in place in the meta is kinda spooky so you don't get 100% value
vintage is good for the start of any pull
patent osprey
to establish good aggro + threat without dying
I don't know about that but possibly
undone jacinth
Thats what I have read. Im looking for someone who has tried it and has experien...
it is true that you will do but I don't think that's adding up to much over a full run plus you are sacrificing a lot
strong forum
its a survival loss to play it
but if you wanna meme it up and pump
sure go ahead
its a game afterall
mighty cairn
for prot warriors playing arms pvp solely gear pve gear upgrades, is learning 2s/3s/RBGs worthwhile?
I've used conquest on 207 1h/shield to replace 200s, but have been stuck at 1400 for a while
patent osprey
the bis prot warrior gear comes from pvp
fast needle
it is true that you will do but I don't think that's adding up to much over a fu...
what do i sacrifice? I dont take any dmg so 20% reduction is not needed and as I am overcaping rage, BV is also not needed?
patent osprey
everything is haste verse
limpid anchor
what do i sacrifice? I dont take any dmg so 20% reduction is not needed and as I...
What keys do you play?
undone jacinth
you don't take any dmg? lol
if you're just talking about doing lower content than ur level then do whatever you like
if you wanna try something, try it
mighty cairn
for pushing 1600, is there a big difficulty difference between 2s/3s? or should I just find a team I vibe with and grind it out
I'm only around ~100 games in and have a ton to learn, though
patent osprey
2s is harder than 3s at high rating
but it's easier to get like 1600 or 1800 in rbgs but takes forever
u don't lose rating in rbgs till like 1800
undone jacinth
how is 2100 in rbgs
limpid anchor
Above 1900 its kinda difficult bcs you face non pve people
And need more people who actually play good..which is meh as a pug
And takes forever
fast needle
What keys do you play?
its a fresh char at 190itlvl and i pushed my key to +8 first week. Im just asking if someone has tried the other legendary. Not interested in icy veins and wowhead guides
hazy fern
can i get a quick rank of stats for prot
visual drift
make the stonelegion trinket sense if you solo and nobody have it?
jagged pier
can i get a quick rank of stats for prot
ilvl
spark mortar
Shieldbrothers - I need your input on trinkets for M+.
I got Stone Legion (207), Spike (200), Leash (213) and Hateful Chain (200). Slot 1 is reserved for Scale - any thoughts appreciated.
hazy fern
212
jagged pier
stone legion
jagged pier
what ever has more haste
spark mortar
^
hazy fern
ok
lofty widget
what's a good block % in dungeons?
jagged pier
70+
lofty widget
yeye, had 75 just now
undone jacinth
"+3 mists in time" 😂
hollow citrus
this might be a dumb question, but Ilvl is king for gear, but does that still apply to rings, since they dont give us STR?
strong forum
for rings theres a small exception
like 10-15 ilvl
with socket it adds another 7-10 or smth
hollow citrus
yeah, i'm looking at a 200 haste/mast with a socket, vs a 207 crit/vers with no socket
sick sentinel
Hello guys, just starting in the expansion and i have a question , im currently on 201 ilvl fully on PVP gear and want to start tanking, is that gear good to make pve content or should i go back and do the PVE gear grind?
digital hawk
Hello guys, just starting in the expansion and i have a question , im currently ...
pvp gear is bis tanking gear for prot
so you're good
I would work on getting PVE trinkets and upgrading your haste verse gear
smoky wave
Gz!
jagged pier
well got ksm now
put me into top 10 prots on my server XD shows how many peope are playing it
jagged pier
F for me then
jagged pier
was so ez this week for some reason
strong forum
i mean cuz it is
volcanic doesnt exist
spiteful doesnt exist
fort is big big pad
jagged pier
thats big
jagged pier
4% more than me now 
jagged pier
have pvp one was 20 ilvl upgrade on my neck
blazing condor
is there any point in doing the Sludgefist 4x quests on multiple difficulties?
like there's one for HC and Normal
undone jacinth
lets you do the skip in each difficulty
blazing condor
the skip? :0
undone jacinth
you skip to sludgefist
undone jacinth
after killing shriek
undone jacinth
for ppl that just want that last boss loot
man if you banned shadowmeld from mdi
different world
silent fog
patent osprey
I think verse is pretty underrated :/ I know haste is very good for keys up to around 18 but personally verse is king for me. the only thing warrior dies to us magic and bleeds usually in my experience. so I'm like 1040 verse to 400 haste atm
strong forum
haste translates into more rage which in turn increases indom and IP healing/casts
aswell as dmg
we wanna stack vers on the side anyway because of dots and magic, but foregoing haste THIS extensively
i dont think is the play
patent osprey
yeah but in the kiting meta it reduces the potency. forgoing haste is never the play but don't sleep on verse
more rage won't help u with 1 shots
strictly m+ mindset though
strong forum
obv
in your average key you barely have to kite though which is another point
stricly for 20s maybe vers really is the play, but eh
patent osprey
yeah I think under 18 I'd just Mongo haste