any of the dmf trinekts worth it for my prot warr alt?
#protection
strong forum
voracity
dull zodiac
11K ?
dull zodiac
dd u just use it on cd?
or can i macro it into avatar?
as its the same cd and length
raw mango
should I try layer 8 TC in a group or solo?
dull zodiac
is ravager always better than unstoppable force in m+?
asking becasue the cheatsheet recommens it
but on icy veins it says unstoppable force
neat dirge
@sweet summit i have 197 ilvl anima field emitter, theres no way i should use that over 220 ilvl heraldry in m+ right?
considering 2 guys in my m+ group also has that trinket
dull zodiac
im new to prot and im running kyrian, ravager, my issue is that theres so many small cds all on diff cds, how do i deal with this?
use on cd?
delay to line up?
talking about avatar, demo shout, ravager, kyrian spear
fringe marten
it's fairly rare you'd drop ravager and not spear, or vice versa...even though they're on 15 sec different cd's, you're generally dumping everything you have for max dps and their cd's will line up as you move between packs in M+
only time I'd seperate them is if ravager had just come up, but a pack if mobs is dying off..so you can just run to the next pack, throw ravager at them
and then a few seconds later dump spear again
dull zodiac
ok thanks
stoic mural
Yup niya seems better than khorayn imo, wait covenants balance. I'd like to check Maldraxxus
steep lake
is it confirmed covenant balancing is even going to happen? would be great for necro warrior not to suck
sweet egret
bump
deft vessel
impending victory sucks, use indomitable in all content everywhere
so, no advice on the weap?
lofty widget
worth swapping over? prolly?
swap for haste
native coyote
I'd take the axe
misty tartan
I feel like I've hit such a big wall tanking higher than 15 keys (mostly pugging). I really liked tanking until then but pushing as high as possible has never been less fun
deft vessel
i've suddenly hit a wall of getting invited this week
spent 45 minutes looking for a group, as a 213 tank with 1060 score, 13s and 14s
i've already timed several 14s
echo egret
Any tips for the first few packs of DOS with the crapton of magical damage ?
sweet summit
kite
misty tartan
someone misdirect you, drop your ravager and spear and gtfo
echo egret
yeah just bodypulling and I die in 1 second
sweet summit
and run after cds expire
echo egret
these bonesoldiers and their shadow attack.. 2 of that + 1 shadowcore = poof
undone jacinth
If you have a good way of killing the mask then skip the 2nd pack til you have all cds, dps and yours
sweet summit
theres one of those packs without an urn
undone jacinth
There’s no urn
echo egret
urn is for pack before ardenweald
jagged pier
we did it team
undone jacinth
you just kite the bonesoldiers basically or use everything you have
echo egret
oh nice
misty tartan
grats
echo egret
are other tanks that much more armed to face these packs ?
misty tartan
i find shieldblock mostly reducing a fixed amount of dmg and other classes a % of incoming attack can have influence
I have prot warr and monk, and monk definitely feels more durable to mistakes, but certainly not invincible
jagged pier
well warrior is the most punishing tank to play so that makes sense
pale pelican
Apologies for the dumb question, I've checked pins, looked at top prot warriors, icy/wowhead...which legendary should I do first for primary M+. Guides seem to prefer thunderlord, but majority of top tanks seem to use the wall? Just on the fence.
dull zodiac
is going wall over thunder a huge dps loss for m+?
dull zodiac
prot is my alt and i wondt be doing much thorgast
im not sure what content ill do
a mix of medium keys and alt raids
so wall i guess is the sensible choice
undone jacinth
sensible indeed
strong forum
wall is a bite more defensive, TL is a bit more offensive, both are perfectly playable but walls rage gain is big QoL
heady ivy
when running the wall you use shield wall more liberally too I suppose?
neat dirge
@strong forum thanks for answering the trinket question Nom-senpai
also been taking a look at different tank classes a bit, warrior still the most fun but
feels a bit weird
having to choose damage or defensive
and imma be honest, i hate IP
using IP when ur rage isnt above 60 feels fucking bad
undone jacinth
most tanks have to choose damage or defensive
even VDH sacrifices dmg
Prot pala kinda doesn’t but they are paper
strong forum
eh not every tank has to choose either or
its kinda only pwar, vdh is more a talent choice rather than actual rotation choice
undone jacinth
talent choice is still choosing
maybe there should be a Prot Lego to do damage based on IP absorb
would give a reason to pick the IP talent as well
dense umbra
It’s happening guys - people watching MDI and refusing anything but VDH 😬
echo egret
it was already a problem before 🙂
jagged pier
It’s happening guys - people watching MDI and refusing anything but VDH 😬
yer i ran into that today after yesterday having no problem XD
undone jacinth
I wonder if they also wanna snap the entire necropolis in one pull
jagged pier
dont give pugs ideas
echo egret
tbh that specific snap is so big I suspect Blizz will fix it
undone jacinth
lol go and do it in a pug then see if they need to fix it or not!
hopefully the goal of mdi isn’t to replicate live keys
dense umbra
Meanwhile I give people benefit of doubt and get 1000 RIO players not interrupting or doing no damage
silent grove
hazy fern
is there a reason why im dying to the first two pulls on DoS M11?
lofty widget
the bone soldiers do a magic melee attack that does insane dmg
also casts might be going off ofc
hazy fern
or is this game just broken and i should go play lol
undone jacinth
the bone soldiers will do twice as much damage as shadowcore instantly
open with your defensives then run for your life after they are down
amber herald
also what route are you doing? you don't want to do one pack after the other
lofty widget
well you kinda have to
late wasp
Is anyone aware of a weak aura or a addon that will compare the equipped gear set with your talents to make sure that you have the right stuff? I have different talents that I use for my Thunderlord vs my Wall layout and I want to make sure I don't forget to change talents
Is anyone aware of a weak aura or a addon that will compare the equipped gear set with your talents to make sure that you have the right stuff? I have different talents that I use for my Thunderlord vs my Wall layout and I want to make sure I don't forget to change talents
amber herald
well you kinda have to
You don't, you can skip the casters before hakkar and clear outside of the manastorm area then come back
grabbing the big rage mob either on the way or on the way back
on the way is better though for cooldowns
undone jacinth
some groups will find doing the mask harder then doing the pack
undone jacinth
Is anyone aware of a weak aura or a addon that will compare the equipped gear se...
Not sure of an add on although I’m sure you could rig something up... but if I took your comment to imply that you run UF with thunder lord then just stop doing that
your choice of AM or not should be based on content not Lego
amber herald
There's an urn on the stairs for the rager so it's usually ok
undone jacinth
if you’re planning to use nothing on it to get CDs up for the pack then he can get 2-3 rages off depending on how you time the urn so you’ll be dead
I usually choose which one to do depending on how much st we have
amber herald
In my groups we usually urn the on the rage cast, and then you kill him middle of the second rage
idk let's see if the guy replies his route might be nothing to do with it
sick sentinel
i been using that 630 haste trinket for 2 m+ now, seems good, better than voracity i'd say
without ITF i saw haste peak at 92%, in a low sanguine depths (lusted)
dawn imp
thoughts on the 184 WQ trinkets? some look like theyre better to use over the 200-213 trinks lol
strong forum
sim
as stupid as it sounds but just sim it
the only really good trinket for us from WQ is Hymnal of the Path, everything else is meh at best
sick sentinel
dont have a good 200+ trinket yet
undone jacinth
how do I see that
undone jacinth
guess im just blind
sweet summit
doesnt say anything for me 
sweet summit
venture plan?
strong forum
i think so
undone jacinth
i'll get it
sweet summit
i had it disabled 😬
strong forum
undone jacinth
never needed an addon because NF just wins every mission xd
sweet summit
9
undone jacinth
oh I'm at 14
undone jacinth
I did the campaign on main just because I figured it would get me to 25 quicker
did the last 3 steps last night
but havent done anything on any alt
hm I can only get them to 13% health even with the dreamweaver combo
that is nuts
valid zodiac
4 trappers and Dreamweaver didn't yield you the win? O_O
valid zodiac
What lvl are your troops
undone jacinth
cant remember logged off now
I just got korayn though so maybe he fucked them
they probably 29 or so
valid zodiac
Korayn gives 10% damage taken to the whole party
undone jacinth
hes level 1
undone jacinth
im not really tryharding it
just doing it for ash
but seems like I've hit a wall
valid zodiac
Yea I stopped doing the story missions so that I can get ez ash as well
And considering runes go for 1.1k on my server those rune missions are ez money
undone jacinth
same
that was the only thing keeping me afloat
but now with alts I had to buy tokens
legos cost too much
undone jacinth
=[
valid zodiac
I mean I'm blacksmith myself but I missed the release train and shit is just too expansive to level now
Rather buy myself
undone jacinth
my 190 was like 35k
210 50k
and across 4 characters and like 10+ legos, pretty rough
valid zodiac
Yea I only play one char and have an alch alt + one alt that does Legion skinning daily
undone jacinth
am I being stupid... ive done m0 spires and I want to do a key
but when I port in, it puts me to the end?
been so long since I did m0s...
uh lmao
I ran back through, started a +5 because I want to downgrade it, but now I cant reset it
strong forum
if youve completed m0s youre gonna end up in your completed dungeon if youre the leader
cuz you cant reset mythic dungeons cuz lockout
patent osprey
open with your defensives then run for your life after they are down
The first pack isn't as bad as the 2nd pack. First pack you can blow last stand on and kite once your shield blocks run out. The 2nd pack you can use shield wall basically on pull for and then kite the mobs after shieldwall runs out. make sure you reflect the first shadowcore bolt so you can get good damage and threat on that mob
undone jacinth
yeah I was saying later to ideally save wall
on the first pack
im starting to find the mask guys a bit more scary
undone jacinth
if youve completed m0s youre gonna end up in your completed dungeon if youre the...
this seems dumb af for anyone wanting to do keys >.<
strong forum
always been like that
sturdy sable
It used to mess freehold up pretty bad iirc
chilly brook
cuz you cant reset mythic dungeons cuz lockout
Uhhh you should be able to reset just not be eligible for loot because lockout
I remember resetting 0s in Legion and BFA as the leader to complete the 0s weekly
Just spammed the same one over and over
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
nothing stops u from chain running the same m+ dungeon over and over
if you are hell bent on a certain gear
strong forum
yes
deft vessel
okay, how do you time the berserker enrage on the first few packs of mists?
I notice the ability after it's cast, it doesn't seem to cast (unless I'm mega blind) it's just an instant that they just gain at some point
the issue I have is that if the healer neglects to cleanse me from the debuff, they might two shot me through shield block
sooooooo yeah
strong forum
you mean the soulsplit?
deft vessel
whatever the enrage-like is on the melee dudes
strong forum
the first one you can reflect if you open with shockwave or time your leap properly
you mean this pull right
deft vessel
less the pull, more just in general teh soul cleavers
strong forum
your healer has to dispell you on soulsplits
and you can reflect the soulsplit if you time it well
deft vessel
I see, I need to build a feel for that then
strong forum
i didnt know about the ability until people mentioned in here
cuz i often just reflected it by accident
and i just get dispelled insta aswell or had SW up
deft vessel
I think I've reflected a few on accident as well, but not always
and the healer's reaction/prio on it often means I either burn too many CDs or just die
sweet egret
is Best Served Cold ever picked over Booming Voice?
strong forum
never
sweet egret
thanks
sweet egret
well, my damage split in m+ is 20% revenge
sweet egret
and it's spammable as opposed to demo shout at 45 sec
uneven mason
on top of TC Shield slam, covenant ability etc..
sweet egret
yes, with a duration of 8 sec
uneven mason
also provides 40 rage ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sweet egret
yup
undone jacinth
guess Dolphin just forgot to reset
I tried to reset like 20 times and I also loaded up a 5 and tried to reset it as well
it just doesnt let you reset
strong forum
F
undone jacinth
I had to give someone else lead after I found 5 ppl
ive done 3 dungeons and got a weapon, chest, ring and gloves
m+ overpowered
sweet egret
I've done 6 runs today trying to get a shield, I got one neck and rest anime power
nimble drift
Alright well I looked at lots of guilds and I'm joining a 2/10 one that had no arms warrior and needs a new tank. Finally have a new home
undone jacinth
gz
nimble drift
Ty
Biggest advice I got here was to go on wowprogress
I made a little description and put my discord on it. Got lots of dms
undone jacinth
yea even though the site looks like its from 1920 its still the best by far
nimble drift
You can also sorta by "needs prot warrior"
sweet egret
anyone got any tips for what to consider when choosing between Into the Fray and Ravager?
strong forum
cuz wowprog is just beyond outdated but nobody has brought anything new forth
ITF for raid
Ravager for M+
sweet egret
that's what I've been doing, but there's nothing else to think about?
strong forum
nop
nimble drift
What is more damage on a fight like sun king. The 10 haste or ravager?
strong forum
its that simple
sweet egret
thanks
nimble drift
Well I'm tryna get my dmg parse up
undone jacinth
only way u can parse that fight is if ur guild sux
strong forum
eh
nimble drift
I mean if your guild sucks you ain't clearing it
strong forum
if you kill adds fast and effectively aswell as shade, im pretty sure your parse is better than shit killtime and barely manage it
uneven mason
execution speed goes a huge way toward parse
uneven mason
faster your kill higher your parse will be
undone jacinth
??
uneven mason
if you're staying in that phase you're losing execution, thus, your parse will be shittier
undone jacinth
wut
uneven mason
the best parses are going to almost always be the higher execution/faster kills
nimble drift
How many revenge targets makes it more worth using over execute
uneven mason
Because its not about DPS #s 100%, they implimented that change back when the cheese monsters were stopping DPS on kills to let their warriors stack 100 huggernuts
gritty crown
3
strong forum
get PI'd
undone jacinth
if people in ur raid
strong forum
thats easy parsing
undone jacinth
are destroying adds quickly
u are not getting a good parse
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rcMDfTHn2aFLRpJQ#fight=8&type=damage-done - one of the fastest fight times on the top 100 and a whole lot of his raid are doing awful
for example
yea just give someone a token for PI
thats the play
undone jacinth
the only reason would be for when someone from a guild glances at your parses during ur application
strong forum
if he doesnt realise that sunking parse is irrelevant
its good if you get declined for that
undone jacinth
as a feral druid I support that
chilly brook
Or just somehow have a 99 despite not actively padding
chilly brook
Blizz hates you
undone jacinth
per dungeon u noob
undone jacinth
aye it definitely hasnt been 40
but it has been a lot
and I've also done 3 keys
two of which I had to reset to lower the key twice
which I had to do through a different player with lead
blizzzzzzzzzzzzaaaaard
there's actually no way off the NW platform
strong forum
ye there isnt
undone jacinth
where is the unstuck feature now?
native coyote
use a warlock?
undone jacinth
lmao so much work
how is this a real thing
wow going backwards with its features
chilly brook
Imagine not being a vulpera and not having a camp to travel to
lofty widget
boy is warrior fun, overall from spires
undone jacinth
is that on the birds?
lofty widget
yeea
undone jacinth
is it against life protocols to advertise yourself on wowprog etc while you are in another guild
undone jacinth
after the drama of giving our tank loot he didnt need people havent signed up for raid lol
pretty sure I'm gonna need a new home
strong forum
wait that was your guild?
undone jacinth
ye
strong forum
the "i want the 25 more vers cloak"?
undone jacinth
yea
mighty valley
god 2005 flashbacks
strong forum
good move of the people
undone jacinth
nobody has really said anything, but its the first time we've basically ever not had signups
and the leadership are just clueless even though we're doing alright
lunar slate
boy is warrior fun, overall from spires
Dang man nice going on the spell reflect
sick sentinel
this is all the trinkets i own
hard to say what's good and not, i definitely didn't like the grim codex one, the flame and scale thing there are use and get 12 second big haster/versa from random wq
west coyote
where does the anima trinket come from?
lofty widget
spires
deft vessel
i keep running into low DPS plaguefall groups
and i keep running into group that just wipe on one of the first few mushroom packs
do people skip the mushrooms? why is everyone so fucking bad at it
just interrupt the grow and stun the fungistorm
that's it
undone jacinth
as warr you can control the pack entirely yourself
deft vessel
note the thing above about low dps
I do, up to a point
and then the fungistorm goes out
undone jacinth
the mushroom packs you can
undone jacinth
u have like 3 stops for it
deft vessel
or people will walk into more packs
undone jacinth
its not doing 4 casts surely
deft vessel
it very much did, it's astonishing how bad the groups are
strong forum
well unluck
leave and go next
if 4 casts are going off then you wont do it anyway
with dps that bad
strong forum
ye
undone jacinth
wait storm bolt is 30s
strong forum
sb-shock-fear-sb
undone jacinth
you can stop every one yourself
mighty valley
yeah it sounds like they're not just "playing the pack bad," they're just not up to the key level at all
strong forum
do people skip the mushrooms? why is everyone so fucking bad at it
in high keys people do
but i dont see why you should in your average group
mighty valley
they are not close to the toughest trash in plaguefall lmao
undone jacinth
they are nice to kill
and provide a really nice pride on to first boss
if you dont wanna do weird skip stuff
deft vessel
yeah, but that's all the damn groups I can find that will even accept me, I've timed a 14 sd, mists, necrotic wake and 14 HoA today, I've timed a 14 DOS on tyrannical last week, I can't even get invited, and when I do find the group it's utter ass half the time
but plaguefall
someone always fucks up on a fucking plaguefall, somewhere in the first section of the dungeon
strong forum
plaguefall is like one of the easiest keys to time :/
deft vessel
EXACTLY
strong forum
just play it save
deft vessel
-.-
undone jacinth
yea u get like 12min on last boss
strong forum
and you can basically +2 it
no need for fancy shit
nothing
just pack by pack
and you'll time
deft vessel
just keep rolling the dice until I find a half competent group I suppose
undone jacinth
I mean if ur saying mushrooms are wiping u
u need to take some accountability urself
deft vessel
I'm not denying that, I'm not sure if I could have interrupted the 4th cast
I interrupted the first 3
and kicked the first grow
undone jacinth
there are bad groups but normally with some communication any trashcans can be taken through
unless they are literally doing sub 3k
maybe sub 4
deft vessel
that's literally my experience typically, I essentially always pug, 1130 r.io right now, have made steady progress
but this week getting groups has been hell and plaguefall has been hell
strong forum
ye cuz its push week
everybody and their mum is out to get easy rio score
so you have shitters inflating their io by alot
and people are starting to get gear so you cant tell them apart as easily anymore
sick sentinel
i stay away from mists and plague fall as much as humanly possibly because of confusion and evil trash design
strong forum
but theyre like the 2 easiest dungeons next to hoa being one aswell D:
if anything, id stay away from NW
deft vessel
my sanguine depths 14 was the smoothest of the bunch I did -.-
sick sentinel
NW one of my favorite
strong forum
👨 ✝️
sick sentinel
im not doing this pride crap tho
sick sentinel
it's just something else i have to learn and i don't want to have to learn another thing ontop of everything else just yet
steady spruce
You mean good route to have pride on bosses? It's pretty hard for NW but there are some good routes
nimble drift
Not sure how to get my last 12 rating
strong forum
na what he means is he doesnt plan on pushing into +10 or higher yet
yogi is taking it slow 👍
deft vessel
huh, pride isn't too bad on NW
nimble drift
I usually queue with a 2k rating friend and he gets me into good groups, but he xfer and now I can't do rbgs with him. Legit 12 rating off 1800
Feels bad man
steady spruce
oh allright
nothing wrong with that, take it at your pace budyd, as long as you enjoy the game
NW Tyrannical is the worst dungeon to time pride imo
strong forum
can never manage to get the 60% pride on 2nd boss properly
and then backtrack for the remaining % <.<
that being said, havent been in NW for 4+ weeks 
deft vessel
see second boss I also don't typically get, that's the one pride that's a bit off in my route
steady spruce
Lol
steady spruce
i have a great route for 60% on 2nd if you're interested
deft vessel
except last for obvious reasons
I know the route, I just, don't have as much success with it
and I opt for taking the goliath on the left
steady spruce
2nd and 3rd are the killer on Tyrannical
deft vessel
since i'm kyrian
steady spruce
he is
steady spruce
people want to brute force it by not killing the adds
and grab him everytime it's possible
deft vessel
people are bad at it, is all, get the first abom to pull him down again, and with pride and lust you should two phase him on tyrannical
steady spruce
just too much damage to sustain
deft vessel
you mean as he comes back down I imagine
deft vessel
since you want to use first abom to pull him down, it's the quickest, the first three pulls, first pull to bring boss down, second to interrutp fixate, third to pull boss down again and then you kill
strong forum
if you can manage to keep it alive for that long
its very hard to keep it alive for the 3rd hook tho
deft vessel
true
steady spruce
the thing people use third hook of first add to grab the boss and then it become dangerous
I mean the hook that goes off when boss first escape
deft vessel
two aboms for a long period of time is bad, people either fuck it up or damage becomes too much
steady spruce
imo it's a mistake unless you have a very high damage group
But last week i +15 NW and this boss lasted 52 sec 😄
Spear helped
But he didn't have time to escape once
strong forum
ye at 15 you should be able to 1phase him
steady spruce
With pride + Lust + Spear on tyrannical
deft vessel
yeah i suppose
steady spruce
but dps are so mean 😢
deft vessel
DPS suck most of the time -.-
strong forum
pls buff tanks, kthx
deft vessel
I shouldn't be doing close to the same overall damage with my dumb 207 weapon compared to a MM hunter with a 220 weapon
like, how the fuck does that even happen
steady spruce
wut
strong forum
no an mm hunter should do 6k+
steady spruce
how much damage do you do overall Diru
deft vessel
usually around 3k most dungeons I think, on some more I think
I had a hunter's overall at 2.9 last week, a warlock's overall at 3.1k vs. my 3.3k (affliction lock on tyrannical week mind you)
it's so perpelxing
strong forum
any good dps should do min do 30% more than a tank
really good dps do more than double
deft vessel
the core of the issue is that people hold cooldowns for fucking ever
even on fortified weeks
steady spruce
i'm around 2K5+ but not 3k
steady spruce
damn
deft vessel
i have a lot of haste too
steady spruce
do you guys ahave any logs?
This is my 16 HoA from last week https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HxT1phna9W4BRgXC#fight=1&type=damage-done
2K4 dps :p
(active)
steady spruce
just hover over "active" %
strong forum
this my hoa 16
deft vessel
well ignore pain scales with gear ofc
strong forum
it scales with skill
okay
seems i just generated way more rage than you did thurn
cuz i healed 860k with Indom
you only did 680k
deft vessel
the wall?
strong forum
our devastators did roughly same
steady spruce
yeah but deep wound
steady spruce
Wouldn't deep wounds be the thing to look at to compare mastery?
steady spruce
you did more damage on Spear than me while casting it 3 time less
i might want to look into that
steady spruce
yep
steady spruce
damn
strong forum
i just generate alot more rage than you do
steady spruce
well i'm using those on CD and you have 30% more SS cast while being 2min faster on the key
strong forum
6% haste difference shouldnt result in 30% difference 🙂
steady spruce
indeed
strong forum
you also ran kleia
i ran pelagos
so i had way bigger spears
cuz extra 350 mastery on spear cast
steady spruce
oh right
strong forum
thats 20% dmg gain
and 226 weapon vs your 203 weapon
but in general, you should look into pressing SS more
steady spruce
will do
OH
nah i was gonna say you run the wall so it's normal that you use SS more
but no
I casted 44 Demo shout vs your 36 so i won like 6 thanks to TL
strong forum
thats...
not alot my guy
its technically even less cuz you spent 2min longer in the dungeon
press demo more often 
press SS more often
steady spruce
will do
strong forum
undone jacinth
your casts of just literally everything are lower
are you kiting a lot or something?
steady spruce
yeah i was looking at execute and revenge
On HOA probably as much as everybody else
130 revenges vs 190
30 execute vs 65
strong forum
ye that comes all down from generating less rage
steady spruce
You only did 1 SHield wall more than me thos while running The Wall but that doesn't say a lot
strong forum
i dont use SW alot ye
only when its properly beneficial
aint using it on CD alot
cuz i dont feel in danger at all
undone jacinth
probably shouldnt compare across different dungeons tho
undone jacinth
i thought urs was mists
steady spruce
i did twice as much heroic leap so yeah might be kitting too much
strong forum
prolly from leaping out
steady spruce
duh
strong forum
i think i have this run uploaded on youtube aswell
steady spruce
What do you say charge weaving isn't a thing as tank?
undone jacinth
were you the guy that said about charge weaving earlier
strong forum
na that was someone else
steady spruce
what was said?
undone jacinth
cant remember just remember thinking wtf
strong forum
dude was asking about swing timers for AA
undone jacinth
how do mages still exist in this state after bfa
steady spruce
oh yeah i ditched those when i'm in tank spec
strong forum
how does anything thats uncapped still exist.
blizz made sure to cap almost everything
steady spruce
might want to get the ennemy swing timer back in raids tho
strong forum
na
undone jacinth
hell nah
steady spruce
okay
strong forum
like orgozoa
steady spruce
Oh yes the italian cheese monster
undone jacinth
when im tanking almost anything and take a big hit I almost always naturally think 'ok I have a bit of time to do something'
strong forum
pmuch
undone jacinth
and roughly what that time is makes its way to my fingers
steady spruce
haven't tanked that much in raid, just did SLG HM to help some friend, seemed pretty underwhelming
undone jacinth
but that maybe comes from playing DH a lot where I got used to going to 10% to 100% again
SLG is a questionable fight
any fight where the adds are more of an issue than the boss I think must be bad
steady spruce
Feel like much tanking strat on Narthia are discussing correctly with the OT
"taunt the boss", "ok my turn"
yeehah boss's dead
undone jacinth
the taunt when your debuff drops rule pretty much applies everywhere
steady spruce
did some keys as dps too, way more enjoyable
undone jacinth
diversity 💯
steady spruce
why did they took one?
strong forum
cuz their legendary ignores necrotic :^)
strong forum
the thrash gives shield leggo
it just doesnt get reduced by necrotic for some reason
so hes perfect for huge necrotic pulls
undone jacinth
it is nuts but it also makes you extremely useless outside of incarn
strong forum
translates insanely well into huge pulls tho
undone jacinth
every 3min ye
steady spruce
The team with a vdh just wiped
strong forum
well they just did it twice :^) in sub 3min
steady spruce
so the new meta is obviously Bear > VDH
strong forum
well yes and no
strong forum
bear was always contender for being the strongest tank in m+
undone jacinth
I main bear in m+ and when I play literally any other tank everything dies quicker
steady spruce
I have to say one thing about the MDI, i'm impressed by the casters able to stream that for 5 hours
strong forum
mdi can get real bad
in terms of hours
in bfa they had like 12hr streams
cuz they did everything in days
undone jacinth
depends on ur build but u lose defensiveness with owl tech
strong forum
and 8 teams
steady spruce
too bad for a speed competition x)
strong forum
yeah ive seen tomo do mad owl weaving but hes barely holding his weight on 3-3.5k dps overall
steady spruce
bear tank has convoke too?
strong forum
you can play everything as bear
steady spruce
wait is the covenant ability changing according to form?
undone jacinth
but everyone plays fae because its just so fun
strong forum
but covenant abilites are class specific not spec specific, so you can convoke as bear yes
steady spruce
wait is the covenant ability changing according to form?
steady spruce
oooh that's nice
strong forum
as owl you do owl things, as bear bear things, without form you heal
steady spruce
"I cast pur!"
undone jacinth
and then heart of the wild gives u a 30% damage or heal increase in other forms
so you like hotw and then convoke with 30% more dmg as a boomkin
while playing bear
its pretty cool
strong forum
yeah that part makes me wanna play bear too
owl weaving
or mad offhealing
and barkskin leggo making you a wall ( for SL levels of "wall" )
undone jacinth
yea I mostly play resto because the dungeons are almost perfectly designed for offhealing groups
all bosses have some kind of downtime pretty much
resto affinity I mean
undone jacinth
its fun to play in my opinion but I can't explain how frustrating the damage is, when I know the timers are only close because I'm missing like 2k dps
if the healer isn't a damage healer its horrible
i'm gonna switch to pala main I think
steady spruce
having actual useful cd seems nice
strong forum
ye but then youre actually taking alot of damage.
steady spruce
looking at you last stand
undone jacinth
yea its like the opposite class
shit loads of damage, same utility
but gets wrecked
strong forum
i had a sperg of maybe leveling up an UHDK
cuz i miss dealing damage
but then we dont have a tank
undone jacinth
I cant play meta classes
strong forum
let alone a good one
undone jacinth
just something inside me cant
strong forum
just fucking uncap stuff again.
steady spruce
Bdk seems to do nice damage according to a reddit post
strong forum
or atleast get rid of the stupid dmg dropoff of warri past 5 targets
undone jacinth
wut
undone jacinth
bdk is like the absolute damage abyss
strong forum
they only have ST
undone jacinth
lol
steady spruce
maybe he just did a Thorgast run before that to get this overall tho https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/l30fmd/puglife/
strong forum
the 15 on the left is not related to the dmg meter
absolutely not
6.5mil dmg and 3.8k dps looks like a chain wiped low key
steady spruce
dunnno dude on our logs dps are at 7-9m
strong forum
ye exactly
undone jacinth
I dont know how hes doing that damage in any conditions tbh
probably just shopped
lol
strong forum
if packs live forever
you can pad alot, cuz your overall dmg isnt gonna be lowered as much by bossfights
undone jacinth
I guess
strong forum
playing triple plague leggo and venthyr
steady spruce
They would have 25.5m overall on a full dungeon run. On our logs it's 31m
strong forum
oh yeah
undone jacinth
weapons
strong forum
that could be it
undone jacinth
that would explain his high interrupts too
strong forum
is 28 all that high?
strong forum
true
undone jacinth
and its probably on the high end
just did a mists and got 35 on my pala
but pala is pala
steady spruce
Do the stuns show on interrupt details?
strong forum
not on interrupt
deft vessel
don't think so, no
strong forum
that only shows up on CC done
theres a tab that shows CC done
including kicks stuns and fear casts
and w/e else
i remember how atal was impossible for my group to be done on me playing VDH cuz of the lack of stuns
deft vessel
maaaaaan I loved atal with awakened skips
steady spruce
On the logs Fears and shout and stun or anything that "interrupts" a cast does show up in the interrupts page
deft vessel
I loved awakened ;-;
undone jacinth
what was hard in atal
strong forum
atal got harder with awakened though.
undone jacinth
stuns on the honour guards?
strong forum
Atal isnt hard, but it wasnt possible without me carrying like 400 stuns for my group 😄
for shield bearers, casts going off
stopping charges on priestess platform
stopping wildfires cuz people cant use their CC
and so on and so forth
strong forum
no i mean
as vdh you couldnt carry every single pull with CC
cuz i played with boomy feral firemage and rsham
so we had borderline no stuns ever
besides your random cap totem and bash/maim when the feral got his 3 braincells sorted to pay attention
sturdy ravine
Anyway to macro spear to a cast@player ?
strong forum
/cast [@player] Spear of Bastion
but why would you want to do that?
that seems like a bad thing to do
very bad thing to do
sturdy ravine
Aye... on pull I like to have a big aoe macro
strong forum
but...
spear is tiny
and by casting it on yourself youre gonna miss half of the mobs
because half of the spear is gonna be behind you
sturdy ravine
Not on bosses
steady spruce
Might be thinking of pvp
strong forum
youre gonna legit have to stand inside the boss to hit it with that macro
i prefer @stoic erminesor
much much more
undone jacinth
feel like just casting it properly is a valuable skill to have
steady spruce
I use cursor right now but i'm thinking switching back to a non macro
Or have it cast on boss for raids
strong forum
anything that has this green place circle thingy is @stoic erminesor for me
sturdy ravine
Yeah nothing seems to work to macro it
steady spruce
i'm curious about how other tank classes deal with Scythe on Top last boss on tyrannical
If i didn't have spell reflect i'd die so much
on this boss
Also i don't like the fact that the 20% spell damage reduction disappear when one spell is reflected
Also if we could chose a target and only Spell reflect from the target's spells that would be interesting
looking at DOS casters
steady spruce
Do you think warriors could handle this boss without spell reflect?
steady spruce
i think i tried to take the first scythe with ip up and no other cd and got down to 30% hp
strong forum
i mean
we already have to deal with it without SR
cuz you cant reflect every single one
undone jacinth
the important thing is just managing the add overlap
if u can get a good SW or kicks etc
ur ok
lofty widget
dont forget block for that scythe
undone jacinth
save ur wall etc
steady spruce
Yeah but you spell reflect the ones that are cast in dire situations
steady spruce
Wait block works on Scythe? ^^
steady spruce
oh
lofty widget
i aint complaining. 35k reflects
strong forum
yuh same
steady spruce
yeah it's nice
patent sluice
There is a pretty good weakaura with all the reflects
steady spruce
yeah but no big damage when reflect with hakkar
strong forum
ye reflecting piercing barb does just nothing
lofty widget
it's satisfying to take literally 0 dmg with block+SR
undone jacinth
it reflects all
deft vessel
do I?
steady spruce
if you SB Scythe you still take 22K from the Magic damage
amber herald
I usually reflect and SB it
steady spruce
if i read the logs correctly i blocked the physical but still took big damage from magical
i had SB up
undone jacinth
sorry thought you said spell reflect
ofc sb doesnt stop teh magic
the guild hop is complete
2 hours later lmao
golden tapir
- For The Wall Ledg what slot is better Shldrs or Bck?
undone jacinth
haha yea I changed
steady spruce
shlrds
golden tapir
okay dope
steady spruce
thks vr mch
golden tapir
np
undone jacinth
what has the internet done to people
golden tapir
hv gd n
steady spruce
sm
steady spruce
Congrats on the change @undone jacinth , what pushed you out of your old guild?
not an easy step
undone jacinth
well I always hated that they don't like people giving strategy ideas in raid, there was a loot incident last week with a greedy tank that was the last straw really... just bad leadership, the players are pretty good so kinda sad about it tbh
steady spruce
There is no such thing as a greedy tank! Go spit your venom in another channel, fool !
undone jacinth
lol
he had a 55/30 mastery/vers 226 cloak and he rolled on a 55/30 vers/mastery 226 cloak
won and equipped it
undone jacinth
I still can't believe it tbh
then a bunch of people didn't sign up this week, maybe because of that, so I figured it was time to move onwards and upwards
and I actually got accepted somewhere as feral lmao
steady spruce
Sounds like a guild disband coming soon
you quit the boat at the right time
The other option was some officers leaving but guilds are hard to rebuild after taht
undone jacinth
the thing is they don't even communicate about it
they don't even explain why we are doing our prog order, why we are doing certain strats etc
so it's like, these bizarre loot situations might be being dealt with behind the scenes, just no way of ever knowing
steady spruce
I mean not communating about the thinking progress of how to planify stuff is allright as long as it goes well
Kinda the same stuff as a tank's route in M+
But as soon as there's a fuck up you need to give explanations
It's hard to be a great guild leader/officer but it's harder to be a bad one
undone jacinth
I mean they chose xymox as the 2nd boss
was stupid
and then doing reclears because they were complaining about people not having gear (we all had good gear, some of us are super high geared) then giving that cloak to our tank... then never saying a word
idk if things are going wrong and nobody says anything, that's bad in my opinion
steady spruce
after 1 year of classic, i can't complain about raid loot
sour phoenix
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what a suggested min I lvl would be for a 10/10 heroic run? As a tank
steady spruce
You can easily get to 210 now
sour phoenix
This is true