protection

[strong forum]

Yuh

[uneven mason]

legion I think there was something something

[signal plover]

It was a mistaken venture for like a couple months in early legion I think

[uneven mason]

yea

because of SS resets

[strong forum]

Ye early legion

[uneven mason]

and wasting rage

gotta clech your butt and maximize that gain

[undone jacinth]

what ilvl do you start keying on alts

[woven trellis]

what do u mean

[uneven mason]

140

[woven trellis]

ah like that

[undone jacinth]

like it only drops 2 items

so idk where the value is

[uneven mason]

I Lied, my last one was 168 cause I can craft that crap now

DK started keys last week

[undone jacinth]

was thinking maybe I'd just clear mythics first

[woven trellis]

you will always find that one dude on discord that ll tell u he started tanking 15s at ilvl 158

[undone jacinth]

haha

[woven trellis]

brace urselves guys

hes comin

[undone jacinth]

the tuning on mythics felt the same as the tuning on LFG tbh

but i'm more thinking about the most efficient way to get gear

[woven trellis]

pvp

[strong forum]

No you stole my joke

[polar arrow]

hey did yall put your wall legendary as cloak or shoulders?

[strong forum]

Shoulders

[woven trellis]

well it is the most efficient way

[strong forum]

Cloak is the single worst slot to put a legendary on

Legit the worst slot for legendaries

[polar arrow]

damn i literally just bought conquest shoulders 😦

[undone jacinth]

dont think im gonna be pvping on my 150 guy

[woven trellis]

u can dps with it

[strong forum]

Can spam bgs for 197 gear

[polar arrow]

yeah i have legendary arms gloves already for dps/pvp which is what i was originally doing

[undone jacinth]

that sounds revolting

[woven trellis]

just the conquest will give u quick 207 gear

[polar arrow]

have to be over 1400 rating for 207

[strong forum]

M+ gearing is dead unless you get armor stacks and get legti everything

[undone jacinth]

hm

[woven trellis]

1k4 is reachable very very easily

[strong forum]

Not at 140 ilvl I reckon

[undone jacinth]

I cant get conquest consistently without trolling my group though right

I got 30k hp as tank

its not good

[strong forum]

You're gonna need to be carried big time

[woven trellis]

do m+ and basic pvp to get full 190, then pvp to get ilvl 207s

thats clearly

[polar arrow]

1400 is pretty easy but not at 150

[woven trellis]

the most fastest way

[polar arrow]

everyone in pvp rn is close to 200 in arenas

there are alot of bads stuck below 1400 with 200+ ilvl

[strong forum]

I'd say, fastest way is do 1 m0 world tour in armor stacks

[undone jacinth]

I guess I clear m0s and then do keys

yea

[strong forum]

Then you can atleast do 10s

Efficiently

[woven trellis]

ye

and pvp

[polar arrow]

i just tanked my first 6 and it went smooth from my perspective

dps was hella low tho so we didnt time it by a minute or so

[undone jacinth]

i'm ok pushing I just figured the loot would be really low

[polar arrow]

i have done nothing but pvp all xpac so i have no idea how to tank or do m+

[woven trellis]

get aggro and stun shit

u should be fine

xd

[strong forum]

Ye it's a process

[polar arrow]

i need to grab weak auras to watch my shield block uptime

[strong forum]

Lot to learn in terms of routing and general CD management if you're entirely new to it

[polar arrow]

i always seem to wanna save defensives for bosses

[strong forum]

But the same principle as in pvp applies, you see yellow bar? Kick it

[woven trellis]

tbh, a good start is to keep track on SB and IP and u good to go

[woven trellis]

u want to save defensive for trashmob in fortified

[undone jacinth]

dont worry DPS literally always save their CDs for bosses in lower keys

that's just how life is

[strong forum]

You see thing that sounds scary? Get out of it/stun it/use CDs for it

[polar arrow]

yeah i mean

[woven trellis]

oh and dont wait a polymorph to use spell reflect

lel

[polar arrow]

i went into the dungeon completely blind

[strong forum]

Often you can judge by the name what it does

[polar arrow]

and it was fine

everything with dbm is very self explanatory

[strong forum]

Ye but it helps to think about those stupid sounding things

[polar arrow]

what ilvl do you think id get accepted into pug raids tho

[strong forum]

Names very often give away what it does

[undone jacinth]

just keep going til the point where something starts to hurt badly, then look that thing up on MDT and keep going from there

[strong forum]

You can get accepted as low as 190 into normal raids if you're lucky

But ilvl requirements rise quickly

[undone jacinth]

shit do you think they'll take me

[strong forum]

As the patch goes on

[polar arrow]

ok cuz im like 193 equip 197 overall

[undone jacinth]

lets queue it up

cant hurt that much surely

150 prot pala

[strong forum]

I mean people are declining a fucking 2.1k 226 equipped feral for 12s

So there's that aswell

[polar arrow]

i literally never look at raider.io

[undone jacinth]

god bless

[polar arrow]

but like i said ive never actualy been big on pve

not since WoD

[strong forum]

Yuh

I didn't touch pve until legion

[undone jacinth]

pvp scum

[strong forum]

Never took enjoyment out of fully scripted scenarios having to wrangle 20 players to step out of fire

[undone jacinth]

I only enjoy pvp when I can one shot someone with my opener

which should mean I like SL actually

[uneven mason]

You're not too far off in the early rankings

As arms anyway

[polar arrow]

i hit a decent wall on my way to 1600 as arms

[undone jacinth]

well I'm playing feral mostly

can one shot a lot of ppl

[polar arrow]

195 ilvl just isnt enough rn

[undone jacinth]

at decent ilvl

[polar arrow]

i get out dps'd by everything

[uneven mason]

legit burst as arms can chunk someone in the first few seconds with UH

[undone jacinth]

yea tbh everything seems nasty

warriors seem pretty nuts overall

[uneven mason]

Arms in PVP is stronk, and Prot in PVE is stronk

Fury is stong in M+

we're not meta

(well arms in PVP is meta)

[polar arrow]

thats why i went prot

[woven trellis]

arm isnt bad in m+ either

is it

[uneven mason]

but doesn't mean we're not doing pretty good

[polar arrow]

so i can delve into some pve

[uneven mason]

yeah arms is good

[polar arrow]

because i dont like arms in pve rn

and fury is garb

[uneven mason]

Fury is a bit ahead in M+

due to better 3+ target dmg

its the only place I can keep up with the UDKs in my guild hah

[strong forum]

Arms niche is legit 2 targets that's it

Any more and arms just loses to fury

[uneven mason]

yeah, 2 targets for 15s at a time

so Lady Darkvein

[strong forum]

Huntsman!

[uneven mason]

huntsman

[strong forum]

Big arms fight

[undone jacinth]

denathrius

[woven trellis]

yea

[uneven mason]

you can cheese some massive rage on denathrius

[woven trellis]

everytime i get into a pug, i just give everything on hunstman so they keep me in it

x D

[uneven mason]

infinite condemn

[strong forum]

I'm annoyed at how much Remornia moves on HC

So our arms can't cleave ever

[uneven mason]

hahaha

yeah

[strong forum]

We also skip p2

[uneven mason]

its maddening

like when we have to swap

my co tank is like "Ok grab the sword"

and i"m like "LITERALLY WTF IS IT"

[strong forum]

Our warri gets only like 10 seconds total of Remornia cleave

Other times it's just impale-massacre-impale spam

Like can you stop already

https://tenor.com/view/mcjuggernuggets-chillout-gif-13306028

[uneven mason]

that legit war machine condemn rage in phase 1 tho

[undone jacinth]

I like it when someone leaves the impale on the other side of the room

but the tank brings it back through

[uneven mason]

only time I've seen war machine be a DPS gain

[undone jacinth]

so it impales literally across the entire room

[strong forum]

P1

[uneven mason]

hey

pad where you can

[strong forum]

We have to dmg stop on 2nd ravage field...

Hate that so much

[uneven mason]

oh

yeah

if you're burning hard

then its horrible

[sweet summit]

just have everyone soak first two 📈

[uneven mason]

400IQ answer

[strong forum]

:oof:

[sweet summit]

three even

[undone jacinth]

we used to do that

but our healers suck

[strong forum]

We soak 2-2-1 and piece out

Literally on the first cast on 3rd field

[sweet summit]

we have everyone soak first at least

cant remember rest

[undone jacinth]

its better to have half then all all half

[uneven mason]

early enough to pop a healing CD

[undone jacinth]

for better blood prices

[sweet summit]

brain smooth

[strong forum]

Ye we just chill half half

[uneven mason]

nah, do all first

[strong forum]

And take legit 0 dmg

[uneven mason]

use a healing CD

so it'll be ready sooner

[strong forum]

Spirit shell

[sweet summit]

spirit shell 📈

[uneven mason]

SLT

[strong forum]

No need

Like, p1 is kinda irrelevant

[uneven mason]

yeah

it is

[strong forum]

So why bother going big dick

[uneven mason]

P2 is the

[strong forum]

We Lust the second we get down

[uneven mason]

because big dick?

[strong forum]

Blast boss before 2nd adds spawn

And get to p3 ASAP

[dense flame]

Imagine a time where prot war does absurd dmg

I remember

[uneven mason]

raider.io just crashed

woof

and its back

[strong forum]

Wcl was also fucked

[woven trellis]

probably a warrior timing a 21 made it crash

[uneven mason]

hahaha

I dont doubt

[woven trellis]

X D

[uneven mason]

that some uiversal law was broken

[strong forum]

Are there any warriors even pushing

Like at all

[woven trellis]

ye

pika

is

and tbh at that point

im his most fervent supporter

cause if we didnt have pika

we would have to answer no to ppl saying < do warrior can even time 20s?><

and it would be fucking terrible

[silent grove]

[strong forum]

Now I know why he isn't going kyrian

[woven trellis]

why

[strong forum]

Need that dungeon buffs for hoa and sanguine

And he's the scapegoat

And not having necro is "only" a 10% vers buff in top

And those slime buffs in plague

Not really important cuz they're range based

(also dps main for raid so yeh)

[woven trellis]

why is he dps main anyway

[shut summit]

wish there was reason to push higher keys tbh

[woven trellis]

go tank go

[shut summit]

0 desire

[woven trellis]

well if u dont feel like doing something sense

dont do it

[strong forum]

So much this

[shut summit]

thats my point?

i dont do it but i wish there was a reason to?

[woven trellis]

what other reason are u looking for than personal desire for it

[strong forum]

Fun

But you're a masochist if you seriously push keys rn

As tank

Gimme a proper ingame ladder with cosmetic rewards

And I'll play the fuck out of it

[signal plover]

Yeah there's legit nothing after 15. Hell, 14 if u don't care about cheevo and mount

[astral crystal]

what value does that have if it's a single player doing it?

[woven trellis]

the value to say its not impossible because of the class

[strong forum]

Some people actually only care about that as a valid benchmark

[astral crystal]

idk i wouldn't assume it's impossible with prot warr regardless, just that nobody bothers because it's overwhelmingly "easier" on vdh

[woven trellis]

you truly gifted as someone able to make other say things they didnt say

[strong forum]

Oh but they do

In vdh cord there was literally an argument

How much worse pwar is because its only 1800 score

Vs vdh with 2300

Not understanding how polarisation and popularity influence the max score

[woven trellis]

well

u cant do anything about ppl thinking like that

[strong forum]

Yup

[lusty marsh]

I'm happy with warrior.

Not the best in m+ for sure but not lagging too far behind

Great for raid though

[woven trellis]

tbh, being able to push the highest u can with ur class is good enough of a goal, why would it be less fun because others can do higher in an easier way

i dont get that

[strong forum]

Exactly!

That's how it should work

[lusty marsh]

My biggest problem with pushing high keys is not having a dedicated group that wants to sink the time in.

I should look outside my guild

[woven trellis]

probably the most common problem of ppl wanting to push high keys

there isnt any secret to that, i think, be nice be good and dont forget to offer it to people

[strong forum]

Once you reach the high levels of pushing you actually can pug quite comfortably cuz everybody knows everything

[woven trellis]

its like selling

u have to sell the idea

[strong forum]

Not as much in s1 cuz new xpac and everything has to be found

[lusty marsh]

I'm only 725 io, I'm not selling a premium product just yet.

[strong forum]

But then people will be also blindsighted cuz they've probably never played with anything but a vdh

So they aren't open to new possibilities

[woven trellis]

im not even sure vdh is that much better if u do keys under 17 or 18

is it?

[strong forum]

No clue

I'm having 0 issues

Barely have to kite ever

And do close to 4k dps

[woven trellis]

whats ur ilvl

i do like 2k5

[strong forum]

221, but I haven't done keys since I was 217

[woven trellis]

k

[uneven mason]

I do, kinda, but 2 of the people who want to push are a Bur and Windchime

[strong forum]

So I assume it's 4kish this week

[woven trellis]

i guess it explains 500 dps but not 1k5

im 208

im stuck with kleia soulbinds cause of pvp

[lusty marsh]

I'm 212 as of this week, just got my weapon to 207 so maybe I'll pump a little harder this week.

[woven trellis]

any tips to do more dps

?

[lusty marsh]

Not sure what my average dps is

[strong forum]

More revenj

Probably

[uneven mason]

slap revenge

[woven trellis]

i slap it a lot already tbh

[uneven mason]

make it a heale rproblem

[strong forum]

Also the better your dps players are the more dmg you can do

[uneven mason]

big slap revenge

[strong forum]

On average im at 3.5k-3.7k dps, in dungeons like plaguefall or spires ofc lower cuz small pulls and alot of single targeting

[woven trellis]

it feels weird to me to concede a bit of mitigation to spam even more revenge but i can try

[strong forum]

As of last week, but I got like 3 new pieces since then

And 6% haste

[lusty marsh]

Damn

[strong forum]

During last stand. +Ravager I spam nothing but revenge for example

[lusty marsh]

I need to see if I can pug the start of mythic.

[strong forum]

Na

Shriekwing at best

[woven trellis]

ah but u play with

inerving focuss

[strong forum]

Si

[woven trellis]

i cant because of kleia soulbind

fml

[strong forum]

Don't have double endurance?

[woven trellis]

im stuck with 1 endurance and 1 finesse

ye

[strong forum]

I'd be using unnerving over stalwart

Tbh lad

[woven trellis]

idk im havint the wall

[strong forum]

Well same

[woven trellis]

i like short SWs

[mighty valley]

alt soulbind not good for pve?

[strong forum]

But unnerving is legit OP

With Bolster

[woven trellis]

hm

ill try it

[strong forum]

Makes you immortal during Last Stand

*close to

[uneven mason]

Think of it this way Teish, UF gives you more rage, to pump Rev with, more rev means more SS resets, so SW CDs faster anyway

[strong forum]

Okay that UF scared me

[uneven mason]

yeah sorry

[lusty marsh]

Lol

[strong forum]

Unnerving Focus, not Unstoppable

[lusty marsh]

Unnerving force

[strong forum]

Unstoppable Focus?

[lusty marsh]

Unstoppable focus

Exactly

[uneven mason]

I just pretend unstoppable force doesn't exist anymore

[strong forum]

I get ptsd when people mention it

[uneven mason]

its

[lusty marsh]

I still run it, the options on that row kinda all suck.

[strong forum]

BREH

[uneven mason]

like keeping the corpse of a beloved friend strapped to your back

so you can be reminded of what was

[strong forum]

UF is a 400dps LOSS

[uneven mason]

pressing TC is a DPS loss

[lusty marsh]

Wait what

[strong forum]

You lose dps by playing UF

[uneven mason]

it competes with

[lusty marsh]

Oh oh, I'm dumb

[uneven mason]

and itf

[strong forum]

It also fucks over your rotation during avatar

Because you can't use revenge as often

[lusty marsh]

I meant the other stupid thunderclap talent.

[uneven mason]

Ravager is 1 GCD

[strong forum]

Ah

[lusty marsh]

I'm dumb

[strong forum]

Well that's just personal preference

[uneven mason]

CT is suggested in the guide

but

[lusty marsh]

Itf or rav 100%

[uneven mason]

TBH its pretty garbo

[strong forum]

I use Crackling for Sunking

[uneven mason]

unneeded

yeah

[strong forum]

To get adds, besides that kinda meh imo

[uneven mason]

there are some situations

infact with how tight pulling paths are in M+

[strong forum]

But again Personal preference

[uneven mason]

I'd think its a detriment

[lusty marsh]

Lol imagine saying all the talents on the second to last row are all meh.

[strong forum]

[uneven mason]

Ravager pumps

[strong forum]

Big fun

Good button

[uneven mason]

big rage for revenge

[strong forum]

They actually managed to save it, after 3 expansions

Of it being a dead talent, they actually saved it

[lusty marsh]

All they had to do was kill AM+UF

[uneven mason]

I mean they intentionally killed it

[strong forum]

Well and rework ravager

[uneven mason]

Ravager was at -80% damage

[strong forum]

Yeah

[uneven mason]

"Oh the defensive benefit is great!!!!!!!"

No, because parry is random

[strong forum]

I tested ravager just before pre-patch

And it did a total of 3 Autos worth of damage

On 4 targets

[uneven mason]

If old Ravager gave rage and was 100% parry

[strong forum]

[uneven mason]

woulda been like

ok

but I prefer what we got

just wish that yeah we didn't have to lose AM and Bolster synergy

[strong forum]

It legit did 3 AAs worth of damage on 4 targets with all buffs imaginable up

[uneven mason]

yup

it was intentionally made usless

why they do that to talents who knows

[strong forum]

Like... How can this exist and compete with AM

On the same row*

[uneven mason]

2 expansions they were legit to lazy to look at talents

they just made AM so insanely OP that nothing else got touched

[strong forum]

Yeah. Then we had something good going on even if you ignored any numbers

[uneven mason]

and, we were ok with that

[strong forum]

But current prot is also good

[uneven mason]

I am enjoying current prot

[lusty marsh]

My favorite part of bolster and the wall, is my cd's all feel short enough that I don't feel like I will need them again before they're up.

[strong forum]

Just gimme back bolster + AM and we're gods

Legit

[uneven mason]

I do lament the old damage synergy

[strong forum]

That's all it takes

[uneven mason]

we had a flow

[strong forum]

🌊

[uneven mason]

I mean its still lazy design what we got

"HOw do we make it so they pick something besides AM? - Nerf it into the dirt and put the other crazy strong talent on the same row"

Poor heavy repercussions, the new

[lusty marsh]

Heavy repercussions being in the same row as bolster feels like a crime

[uneven mason]

if HR was 1 second extension

and not 0.5

it'd have almost a chance

but it isn't

[strong forum]

It is 1 sec

Isnt it

??

[mighty valley]

yes

[strong forum]

The best change would be "grants SB for 1second"

Then it'd be god tier

And actually fun

Instead of only extending SB

[undone jacinth]

yea that is actually a good change

but feel like it would still be trash

compared to the other two

[strong forum]

It would result in absurd uptime

Rng, but high ass uptime

[undone jacinth]

having last stand on my bar without bolster talented

[strong forum]

Well yeah

[undone jacinth]

just feels like I've made a mistake in life

[strong forum]

Last stand without any sauce feels weird

Its an outdated design of a CD

Both bolster and AM should be baseline

It would add so much

[undone jacinth]

yea talents needed some better new additions if they were gonna butcher them

[strong forum]

Just Design wise

It needs to happen

[undone jacinth]

not power level additions just some diversity

shattering throw shatters on impact, hitting everyone in aoe for 100% of dmg done

random shit

[uneven mason]

hmm might try HR On Sludgefist then

was it 0.5 at some point?

IDK why I'm thinkin that

[strong forum]

Maybe in legion

[uneven mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

nah it was 1.5 at some point

[lusty marsh]

Or make shattering throw actually do good single target damage

[uneven mason]

and they shaved .5s offa it

[strong forum]

Its big rage gain though

[uneven mason]

yeah

[strong forum]

📈

[polar arrow]

what stats did yall put on ur leggo

haste vers?

[strong forum]

Yuh

[lusty marsh]

Mhm

[strong forum]

Also

[lusty marsh]

Same with my unhinged

[strong forum]

Has neat little cheat sheet

[uneven mason]

I put haste mastery to trigger vers stackers

[polar arrow]

thats what you are for nome 😉

my little cheatsheet

[strong forum]

😳

[lusty marsh]

How does that trigger verse stackers?

It's okay to not pvp on the side

[uneven mason]

have you met someone who demands you should be stacking vers because warriors are shit vs magic?

I have.

[grand drum]

Its a bfa meme

[strong forum]

It's not just a bfa meme

[uneven mason]

We get like one a day

[strong forum]

It's starting to become an SL meme aswell

[uneven mason]

who wants to throw chairs like its Geraldo

[lusty marsh]

I want all the vers and haste, but that's because of pvp

[uneven mason]

because we don't agree that vers is #1

[strong forum]

Even vdh gets those

Alot

[lusty marsh]

PvP trinket bonus is big.

[uneven mason]

jfc like 23% base Magic reductin

[strong forum]

And they stack legit the same stat we do

[uneven mason]

"Needs vers"

[strong forum]

In the same order

Think pallies do aswell

Idk bout that tho

[lusty marsh]

Yeah

Pallies need mad haste for sotr uptime

[uneven mason]

Paladins are haste > whatever

[lusty marsh]

At least that's what my cotank keeps telling me whenever a haste plate piece drops

[uneven mason]

they do

[lusty marsh]

greedy lil bugger

[strong forum]

Idk according to @maelkenar God may rest his soul, 15% is enough to maintain 100% sotr uptime and then you stack vers/mastery

[lusty marsh]

Jk

[polar arrow]

ayo crafted my legendary

i need a 1h so bad

[strong forum]

Poovepee

[dark lark]

I put haste mastery on my 190 The Walls shoulder on accident, and I just stuck with it all the way through 235 /shrug

If I die, it's because I dropped shield block or turned my back or some other stupid misplay, not because I'm missing x amount of vers lol

[undone jacinth]

preach

[grand drum]

I sometimes forget that kiting is part of the meta and dont leap away when i should

[dark lark]

If you run out of shield block and any other CDs, then leap away/intervene your ranged/healer

Just a general rule of thumb

[grand drum]

Yea im stubborn and sometimes think IP will keep me up

[dark lark]

You can generally face tank shit with block up, except for the packs in the central room of DOS. Fuck taht place

No way Jose

IP gets shredded fast

Only way I'm staying in with IP is with Demo Shout and pooled rage

even then it's dicey

[strong forum]

Depends on the mobs that are pulled

Your groups damage

[dark lark]

^ true

[strong forum]

Healer CDs and affixes

[icy flax]

All the casters in DoS outer rooms be pumpin

[strong forum]

I have my 2 trusty earth eles

So I'm Gucci

[dark lark]

3 mobs casting scribe plus Shadowcore

[sterile moss]

DoS casters just need to be killed fast

[dark lark]

yuck

[sterile moss]

it's unsurvivable eventually

[strong forum]

Consider the following: peace out

Nobody can tank those without major CDs

Nobody

[dark lark]

I straight up drop Avatar Spear Ravager and just run down the stairs to LOS them (and my healer)

[icy flax]

Lol

[strong forum]

I make sure to reflect shadow core first

[dark lark]

idgaf

[strong forum]

Then yeah peace after SW ran out

[dark lark]

my only complaint about prot war after switching back from vdh (switched to vdh to be fotm, then guild realized we needed battle shout for raid) is our damage

i can do all the same pulls my vdh did in M+ but at the end of the run my damage is a good .7-1k lower than what I would've pulled on my VDH

[lilac sleet]

Doesn't the damage of vdh just come from the kyrian covenant sigil?

[dark lark]

yeah lol

but damage is damage

i will admit that on prog I try to save Last Stand (with the rage gen conduit) for 20% so i can just spam my 5 button

[undone jacinth]

u think its less than 1k difference?

[final axle]

In raid you use rallying cry proactively or reactively?

[dark lark]

i have to look at my dh's logs

[undone jacinth]

you should have a plan when you are going to use rally

[final axle]

Like do I hit it when I know raid wide dmg is about to hit or just after it hits?

[undone jacinth]

just before

[dark lark]

in M+ my vdh definitely does 1k more

Before

[icy flax]

I feel like prot does more damage than vdh in sustained dmg

[dark lark]

VDH is pitiful outside of Fel Dev and ED

[final axle]

Ahh kk thanks

[undone jacinth]

what does sustained damage really mean tho

vdh just does more

overall or whatever

you cant create a scenario where warr overtakes I don't think

sigil is only 1min cd

[icy flax]

Yea fair, just my personal experience I guess, I haven't done many high keys as prot

[undone jacinth]

I dont think prots damage is bad in keys

its definitely better than bears

but vdh is just different level

[valid zodiac]

Is there a happy medium route to go to with Spires? Got told that I'm a good tank but that my route sucks so

[undone jacinth]

haha

solid feedback

[dark lark]

lol

I hate both the left and the right route

[valid zodiac]

Maybe the guy was talking about the very end that I could skip with invis the pack after the one that you walk around then go back to kill it but idk

[dark lark]

Left route is harder in the beginning, but you only fight one big pack before the 2nd boss

Right pack is easier, but you fight two of the big packs before 2nd boss

Pick your poison

[undone jacinth]

personally I just do the beginning right bit then do full left

and skip everything before 3rd boss

but you need to spear some stuff

and cc in some cases

[valid zodiac]

With some CC the left side is actually pretty ok once I figured that out. The only thing I need to tinker out is the end part.

[true hazel]

How quick are you guys able to use shield wall using "the wall"

[undone jacinth]

1-2min depending on if ur using AM

and how much ur optimising it

[valid zodiac]

Around 1:30 without AM, slightly below a minute using AM

[true hazel]

Is that with the conduit?

[valid zodiac]

Yea

[undone jacinth]

if you do what i'm saying you can skip everything at the end apart from the one easy flying mobs pack

[true hazel]

Is it worth getting it for M+? I've moved away from prot becuase its not as easy as it was in 8.3. Just trying to stay alive

[undone jacinth]

yea its totally fine in m+

[true hazel]

Thanks @undone jacinth

[mighty valley]

I have TL and The Wall, ended up using The Wall more

I have TL and The Wall, ended up using The Wall more

[undone jacinth]

imo just feels nicer because of the 20 rage

[mighty valley]

but that's like, half the discussion in this channel lol, so personal preference

[mighty valley]

yeah it's hard to go back after getting used to constant rage income

[undone jacinth]

yea its funny how rarely people ask like how to approach specific packs

vs how often they ask TL or Wall

or X lego

[sick sentinel]

i don't know why never been doing mists m+ all this time, but seems easy enough

[undone jacinth]

lol

[mighty valley]

it's probably the easiest?

[undone jacinth]

yea its the easiest

because HoA bosses can get a bit awks

[mighty valley]

the easy tier is like mists, hoa, theater

[sick sentinel]

i like spires but its a pain to run and time

for me

[mighty valley]

spires has some awful pulls but the timer is kinda forgiving of a few fuckups

[undone jacinth]

I honestly find spires one of the easier dungeons tbh

[lilac sleet]

Same

[undone jacinth]

theres just like 1 pack thats pretty rough

and that end mob

[sick sentinel]

how easy spires run is is based on how many giants were interupted

[lilac sleet]

I always tell my group I am getting the first interrupt

[sick sentinel]

and if you used both the spears well

[mighty valley]

it got easier once i just started skipping everything between 2nd and 3rd boss

[valid zodiac]

Are all spears on the right side or?

[lilac sleet]

No, there is one on left side as well

[dark lark]

One on each side and one on the penultimate platform

I always use second spear on the very last angel that has all 3 buffs

I also lust that bitch

[undone jacinth]

yup

she filthy

[valid zodiac]

So what I'm getting is that I should look to get enough % before the 3rd boss so I can skip all of it beside maybe those ez packs that you gather behind the pillars?

[undone jacinth]

yea

that is most common imo

[valid zodiac]

Alright. Then I need to plan something out

[dark lark]

3rd boss platform should only be three pulls: the single hellion, and the two packs of non elites that hurl spears

That's how I do it regardless of whether I go left or right

[undone jacinth]

if you just do the beginning right area

the two dog packs

and the 1 flying girl

and then the entire left side

[dark lark]

Yeah

[undone jacinth]

thats exact count to skip everything

apart from 1 flying pack at 3rd boss

[dark lark]

That whole dungeon is honestly easy to tank, it's more of a group wide thing to make sure kicks are properly done

[valid zodiac]

Can someone share their route?

For Spires

[dark lark]

I'd say from a pure tank perspective, even Halls is harder

Let me load up my routes in a pastebin

Sec

[lofty widget]

213 low haste/high mast or 210 high haste/low mast necklace?

[dark lark]

@valid zodiac https://pastebin.com/kSTw9tjw Spires "left" route

[valid zodiac]

Cheers

Do I need to loging to pastebin or

Says not found

[dark lark]

https://pastebin.com/nTcBJDQQ Spires "right" route

uhh let me see

[lilac sleet]

I'm curious how everyone handles plaguefall trash between 1st and 2nd boss. are you utilizing the canisters and plagueborers?

[valid zodiac]

Group up shit and blow up the plagueborers

And then the rest dies to the explosion/dot

[dark lark]

https://pastebin.com/kpN6BDha left route. Does this work?

[valid zodiac]

Nope says page no longer available

[dark lark]

https://pastebin.com/EQEH6Kwr left. one more try

https://pastebin.com/jUbMwRcm right

[valid zodiac]

Says now its private or pending moderation. But no worries m8 i'll finde on that I'll modify

[dark lark]

lol, sorry

[native coyote]

I pretty much do this (no skips version) https://raider.io/news/168-the-weekly-route-fortified-spiteful-volcanic-and-prideful#spires-of-ascension

[nimble drift]

That brings us to this: In this guild we run 3 main tanks. Each take takes a turn tanking the bosses (depending on comp, gear needs, attendance, or just letting people sit out bosses they dont like doing when they dont need gear) . We ask that you maintain a dps set with the ability to push good numbers as a dps (not as good as a main dps, but not a carry). If you are unable to dps or choose not to, you would have to take a turn sitting out of the fight. We guarantee that you will get a boss kill if you are out for the first time for whatever reason.

Thoughts?

[dark lark]

IMO better to have a consistent pair of tanks that can generate synergy with each other for prog. In my guild we have 3 capable MTs but we just have the best DPS spec (WW in our case) just go full time DPS until one of current MTs miss a raid

The word synergy is sometimes scoffed at but it's important for the raid to know how the boss will be positioned and stuff so that the DPS can know what to expect and properly line things up or do mechanics

Just my opinion though

[lusty marsh]

Yeah 2 mt with a off spec dps fill is best imo

[dark lark]

In Nyalotha our monk and DH were the MTs because I was pumping on arms. Now in SL he's pumping on WW. Simple as that for us

When other players are dying, squeezing every ounce of damage out matters to try and beat timings

[undone jacinth]

we do the same tbh

I do the most dps so play that

but switch to tank if needed

but they want me to play boomkin and I can't stand it

swings and roundabouts

[sour phoenix]

Hey y’all...I have a 187 neck, where can I find a decent neck item to replace it? Ilvl is 203 now I think it’s bringing me down :p

[final axle]

Pvp upgrade is an easy way. Get 197 with just honor or 200+ with conquest

[rich ember]

pvp

haste/verse 200-207

[undone jacinth]

if you dont like pvp you can just spam +7 halls of atonement

pretty easy dungeon and good 200 neck there

[amber herald]

which one? 210 is a dps loss on simcraft but I'm thinking haste is a lot better for surv?

I have 14% haste currently

[undone jacinth]

it's incredibly inconsequential to the point that I would wear the 13 just for ilvl

but some people will definitely prefer the haste

most people even

[amber herald]

yeah, I'll give it to my boomy

[undone jacinth]

yea for sure if somebody needs it

mages combusting packs and getting it off CD before the pack dies xd

[undone jacinth]

MDI actually having close games

[amber basalt]

Guys, if I kill first 3 mythic bosses in Castle Nathria, can I get Stone Legion or Denathrius 233 ilvl loot in weekly vault or 226 ilvl is max?

[undone jacinth]

you're not meant to be able to get any loot from sire or generals unless you kill them

but random strangers have claimed to get 233 weaps

[amber basalt]

kk

[dusky mica]

my mage friend got a denathrius trinket from vault without a denath kill.

so its either bugged or the loot being locked is just internet horsehit

[undone jacinth]

ion literally said it himself

whats the mages name

[gaunt dawn]

tumbleweed

[dusky mica]

after some sleuthing between myself and dolphin, said friend may be confusing the order of events

[undone jacinth]

sherlock and watson

[dusky mica]

watching other m+ teams get wrecked by stradama always makes me feel less angry about my wipes there

nerf has gone for a lie down after ellsemere got tapped by skellies XD

[undone jacinth]

yea everything about that fight is too much

they stopped adds scaling with tyrannical so in exchange they just made the adds insane to begin with

[dusky mica]

aside from the whole video game aspect, it always strikes me as really odd when tiny mobs do huge melee damage

[undone jacinth]

100% agree

like those fucking goblin shits in sanguine depths

[dusky mica]

lol yeah

in the room after the bridge?

[undone jacinth]

5 of them in the pack so you're like well they aren't gonna hurt because there's 5 of them and they are tiny

then wham

[main silo]

Any tips on Good prot War streamers or has Every streamer gone dh?

[undone jacinth]

nah later

in the cells

next to 2nd boss

[dusky mica]

oh the cell guys, the shadowy mobs?

[undone jacinth]

frenzied ghouls

[dusky mica]

yeah they're ridiculous

yeah that's the name

they use the gimp model, you're right

[undone jacinth]

it's like they actively tried to defeat tanks in every aspect

how can we get them this time..

[dusky mica]

I pulled the cage room after the boss one time, it has 3-4 of them in it

got deleted

[undone jacinth]

yea thats what I pull for count

theres 4

its awful

they do the same damage as those bonesoldier guys in DOS I think, but theres 1 more of them

[dusky mica]

those guys are bullshit

their melee attack does shadow damage

[undone jacinth]

another small mob hidden in a giant deathspeaker pack

yea both them and the ghouls do instant cast shadow damage

dunno why thats even a thing

[dusky mica]

yeah, I'm more scared of the small mobs in DOS, not really bothered about the big dudes

raptors and cultists are pretty grim

[undone jacinth]

another clever thing they did there

putting 7 packs

when they added 5 cap aoes in

[dusky mica]

yeah the aoe cap thing was just a bad idea

[sick sentinel]

what lvl is 210 from m+

[gaunt dawn]

15

[undone jacinth]

I kinda bought in to what they were trying to do with it, make fights smaller and more meaningful etc

[sick sentinel]

well fuck

[undone jacinth]

then you realise they just didn't cap mages etc

and suddenly the whole thing is a joke

[sick sentinel]

won't be upgrading weapon any time soon then for what i really want

[gaunt dawn]

What you got atm?

[sick sentinel]

supercollider 210

[gaunt dawn]

Yea. Gotta rng from weekly vault, raid or the best way, do rated pvp

[dusky mica]

the rng vault, love it

[sick sentinel]

if you just run the dungeon you need enough times it's bound to give out what u want some point

[dusky mica]

mists is bis weapon I think right?

[sick sentinel]

sometimes have to run it 30 times but it will drop eventually

[gaunt dawn]

Legit. PvP weapon is BiS

[dusky mica]

well bis for staying alive

[gaunt dawn]

Haste vers. Caps out at 233

[dusky mica]

true, pvp

[gaunt dawn]

Go in. Chop chop chop

You either be the chop or get chopped

[dusky mica]

If prot was fun in pvp I wouldnt mind that much, but it's shit

[gaunt dawn]

Pretty sure ghandi said that

[dusky mica]

so you have to play arms and get killed in every 1v1

[sick sentinel]

mists axe and PF hammer are both exceptional tank weapons

[dusky mica]

need to bribe a pally to babysit you, just like vanilla

[sick sentinel]

there is antoher one in NW too thats the right stats

[gaunt dawn]

Or go full turbo with a ret

Be the CC lad

[dusky mica]

grinding mists is easy though, pf and nw a bit less so

[gaunt dawn]

Whilst ret blasts

[sick sentinel]

i just don't want to get in a nightmare group where the symbols are ancient heirohglyphics to our team

[dusky mica]

I watched some double ret arena last week, it was both funny and sickening

[sick sentinel]

get stuck in maze section for 7 minutes

[gaunt dawn]

Just do the maze yourself

Grab a WA for it

Tell the healer to run around

You put a world marker down on the right one

That's what I do in Mists groups

Better still if the healer does it but plan for the worst

[dusky mica]

I've been somewhat lucky with vault, gotten weapons and shields every week

[sick sentinel]

worst case is i tell everyone to go sit at seperate log

[gaunt dawn]

Must be nice

[sick sentinel]

same, i got 2 of the same shield with haste mastery

[dusky mica]

it's like someone skipping all days and only working out their right arm though

[sick sentinel]

and a weapon, but it wasn't a good one, i'm really not going to complain about loot this expansion

[gaunt dawn]

Most important stat on weapon is ilvl

By far

[dusky mica]

They need to add more drops to raid bosses. The situation is pretty grim.

[gaunt dawn]

Make weapon tokens and trinkets not count to 3 item cap

\o/

[dusky mica]

sounds like a good move yeah

[gaunt dawn]

Make every boss drop 1 slot machine token

And at the raid entrance is a slot machine

You roll and lots of boss faces spin around

[dusky mica]

lol

[gaunt dawn]

Match 3 and you get an item

[dusky mica]

You've gone full Activision

[gaunt dawn]

I'd spin the wheel

[dusky mica]

Galywix Crush Saga

[gaunt dawn]

No rmt

But u can buy slot machine tokens from store

Now that's full acti

[undone jacinth]

tokens become literal slot machine tokens

[gaunt dawn]

Let's go

Next RWF

2 hours on slot machine

Then first pull

[undone jacinth]

if you win too much you get a gambling ban

to stop people getting loot too fast

[gaunt dawn]

😢

Getting chucked out of the casino

[undone jacinth]

and you have to do a gambling rehabilitation questline with the goblins to play again

[gaunt dawn]

Too much work

That requires resources to make

Give em a 20 min timeout

Done

[steady spruce]

What bout re-roll loot token? Or coin i don't know what it was, did it still exist in BFA? Will we have some at some point?

[dusky mica]

we had bonus roll tokens in bfa, yes

[steady spruce]

One each week?

[dusky mica]

2 I think

[steady spruce]

I want this 35 anima

[dusky mica]

You have unlocked new transmog options!

Cost: 3500 anima

closes vendor

The one way portal to oribos is taking the piss too

[undone jacinth]

my guildy just did a legendary seed thing in ardenweald

thinking there's gonna be some sweet reward

got 6 soul dust lmao

[dusky mica]

I was typing '15 fish' as you put that

6 dust, nice..

[undone jacinth]

that is classic

does feel like they just didn't have enough time to flesh rewards out properly

even if the content itself is pretty smooth

[coarse kestrel]

whats up with barghasts leash

is it any good for something?

[undone jacinth]

killing your guildies

[dusky mica]

probably not in raids

you could leash your healer on necrotic weeks , is the best use I thought of

your co-tank could leash you on stone legion if you're on boss and he's on adds maybe

you could face tank the gargoyle on blood council and leash to someone you hate

[sick sentinel]

unlocked the 3rd soulbind just now

[sweet egret]

I'm curious about Indomitable vs Impending Victory

I really miss Impending Victory when I'm getting my shit kicked in

I never do any harder content with it because all I've ever heard is that Indomitable is so much better

just feels like having an actual heal is better than having slow padding

whenever something bad happens

[merry bronze]

considering turning my warrior prot for mythic+ and CN. is it a waste of time and effort? should i wait for a patch for them to be stronger? - i've got a guardian druid alt that i can use for mythic+ if it's the case that prot is weak. I hear alot of people saying that :/

[woven trellis]

so, if im kyrian and i can have only 1 potency, do i get Piercing verdict or show of force

i want both

but i cant

[restive quartz]

@merry bronze I was maining prot until i hit keys above 10+ below that they are actually great, ignore pain covers the shield block downtime w/good cd use. After that your ignore pain no longer handles the downtime in cds, your spear becomes a defensive cd, with spear and heroic leap being your strongest defensive cds. Shield wall is nice, but usually you are popping it on pull for really hard pulls. Intervene is supposed to be a spell to help save a teammate, instead it is usually the last thing available to save my life.

oh and if you arent kyrian

good luck

[merry bronze]

I love my warrior, and he's been a tank before. I really hope that they will become stronger than they are now.. hate to park him. Yes I am Kyrian, thanks for answering 🙂

[woven trellis]

so no insight about piercing verdict versus show of force?

[shut summit]

piercing

[restive quartz]

for dmg sure, but i definitely use spear as a kiting tool more than a dmg burst

[eternal pilot]

i found show of force incredibly underwhelming, with clap being so underwhelming

[woven trellis]

idk show of force is that bad?

ok

[restive quartz]

TC, ravager, deep wounds, and Shield slam are usually all pretty close in dmg for me

[woven trellis]

guys, am i crazy to favor Disturb the peace over rallying cry

8sec on shockwave feels so good

[restive quartz]

whenever i play shammy i always take the stun cd reduction, idk why it doesnt appeal to me so much as the conduit for warrior

i've never actually tried it

always been rally

its actually better than the shammy talent

[amber herald]

I play both guardian and prot, prot feels tankier with the exception of when incarnation is up with the UFR leggo

tbh they're pretty close, guardian is a bit more interesting when kiting but has much lower overall damage

[fringe marten]

So..has anyone upgraded the 'sacred trials' in the path of ascension thing in the kyrian base? what is the weekly quest?

Hm..simc isn't reporting the Flame of battle trinket properly at all; anyone play with it vs the bell; what were your results?

[vestal moat]

So this 184 flame of battle is worth getting?

i am rocking a 220 stone legion and 210 scale and dont want to replace either.

[fringe marten]

Well since you have scale, in M+ content you'll always use that and stone legion prob..but the bell is more dps than any other trinket for us because for prot war mastery scales insane

but I'm trying to see if the flame is good too; but I have to actually field test it; so literally doing a key with it now

Mastery scales very differently per class and is the only stat in Shadowlands that isn't subject to the 30% DR rule. And for prot it scales DUMMY THICC

if you got the 184 bell from WQ or table in the last couple days; the proc on the bell ALONE gives 27% mastery. Bell+Kyrian Spear = like..? 79%? mastery for me (with my gear included which is like 32%)

dude..that's ..a few seconds of 79% critical block chance.

that's also insane dps boost

The 184 flame gives me 12%~ mastery, so 6% worth of DR. as well as being for 12 seconds vs 9. so a 33% increase in uptime from the bell. But gives less damage (check that just using tooltips)

mostly because it's like 200 something less versa than the bell gives mastery. So even though SimC isn't showing the bell right at all (it shows it at 0 vers right now, so you can't even sim it) Maybe for the defense benefit and the longer duration it could have 'more' value? None of this is based on testing yet, just on looking at what it does/etc.

However, all of that being said Warbean. If I had a 210 scale (and I do have a 220 legion trink) I'd probably always use that combo in keys. Unless this Warflame is srs bznz. Tanking keys for us on fort weeks, once you hit 14/15+ range is burst > then kite..like every tank. So having 12 seconds of huge mastery that lines up with avatar is really good for that scenario.

[languid light]

Guys Prot Warrior is my go to tank, and now that my main hs finished the content I'm thinking about tanking a bit. But on the matter of M+ Prot seems to be the weakest tank. Is there any change coming, And 100% shield block uptime isnt possible, right?

[mighty valley]

1. We don't work for Blizzard or have psychic powers so no idea if change is coming! But prot warrior is very capable of doing keys, just not optimal for pushing wildly high
2. No, you can't get 100% standing uptime, but like... in M+ you wanna kite, and in raid you have tank swaps, so you don't really need it

[karmic scroll]

any high key prot warrior gameplay i can study?

feeling pretty doomed as a warrior when im watching all those DHs in mdi

[mighty valley]

MDI is the harlem globetrotters, it's not real life

https://www.youtube.com/c/SenseNurfed/videos Sense has a bunch of high key vids

[mellow patio]

DH in MDI is not a reflection of any other tank being bad but more a reflection of DH being really tanky and utility bots

[karmic scroll]

ty for the channel

[grim zinc]

If I were to craft one offspec tanking legendary. Which one should it be?

Any sort of all-rounder

[mellow patio]

If you’re going to be doing m+ and raid go with the wall

[grim zinc]

I see

A little bit worried about practicing prot tbh especially in m+

[mellow patio]

Best way to get better is to practice

[grim zinc]

Yeah

[cinder nova]

Any trinkets worth gunning for in Timewalking?

Eye of Unmaking looks like it could be OP

From DS, that is

DS is the TW raid, no?

Or is it FL

[quartz briar]

Anyone have a rpeferred race for prot warrior in raid

[rich ember]

@grim zinc I'm currently pushing 12-13 keys. Not high, but it's fun. I don't feel a lack of tankyness at all. Hell, I'm even doing it as venthyr which is surprisingly convenient for kiting with door of shadows.

A few tips...

1. Create a @focus intervene macro. When kiting, use it to pivot around a pack and kite the other direction.

2. Create a @cursor leap macro. It will reduce crucial time needed when kiting.

3. Pick the mob in the back of a pack you're currently kiting, charge to it. This will kinda re-condense the pack for your dps and give you a new view on the field of play.

4. RESPECT YOUR COOLDOWNS. Pop them one at a time. The next pack is just as dangerous as this pack.

5. Understand your soulbinds and covenant choices. I went venthyr/Draven. I can Shockwave every 18 sec. I door of shadows into a 15% hp shield. If I die it costs less money. I especially love the last one.

Sorry if there are typos. I'm just poking around on discord before bed.

Oh and spiteful shades are these awesome little charge targets that won't fight back. :)

[solemn magnet]

Check out my shit parses. :(
Council on was prog.

[grim zinc]

Thanks @rich ember

[languid light]

Nice tips Beerbrawl. Going to level it up, already started actually. But they kinda massacred our talents. Anger Management and Bolster on the same row. Well, too late to complaing about it, lets go with it.

[wild sandal]

can we have a battle rez in the grp without one of the CR classes?

[sweet summit]

Engineering has a combat ress

[wintry jetty]

not easy to use when you are the tank though :p

[stoic mural]

Hey guys, what should i aim with logs as Tank ? I tried to apply your tips last night. Just lost parses as dps and increased healing one but i dont see if i used SB correctly or not

[wintry jetty]

[Disposable Spectrophasic Reanimator]

[stoic mural]

But i wanted to go too fast and used it offtank.. dont think its worth

[lavish hare]

Am I the only one that thinks next week will be off week for tanks? I mean, the worse possible affixes all together

Whats the macro to intervene Focus?

[modern brook]

[@focus]

[modern brook]

Not sure what you're asking

[smoky wave]

What are the affixes next week?

[sweet summit]

necrotic boltering

[lavish hare]

Tyranical, Bolstering, Necrotic

😂😂😂

[modern brook]

Necrotic is secretly a nonaffix because u cant face tank anything anyways

[radiant oxide]

why unstopable force is bad and ppl use ravager? the guide just says its not a good talent any explanation ?

[sweet summit]

yeah uf is dead

[lavish hare]

Nice dmg and rage

[modern brook]

:clap doesnt do damage anymore

Uf cant compete on damage or rage gain throughout to ravager or itf so you run one of those instead

[smoky wave]

Oooph

[modern brook]

Its not that it's bad its that it's the worst option

[lavish hare]

How long do we still have to try key master?

[sweet summit]

until next season

[lavish hare]

When is that?

[sweet summit]

so a long time

[modern brook]

A while

[stoic mural]

I was told to work on my SB uptime to increase my tanking. But dont know how to check if i tanked well or not. I try to check healing over dps

[modern brook]

In your logs you can check % of attacks that were blocked

[lavish hare]

So if I am farming 10’s now its safe to say i have plenty of time to try it?

[modern brook]

Thatll give you a good metric for effective shieldblock uptime

[sweet summit]

you have like 15 weeks or something

[lavish hare]

Oooooowwww

Cool

I thought it was like 5

Great

[sweet summit]

its usually two rotations of the affix rotation

iirc

[lavish hare]

Perfect

Thanks

[stoic mural]

I have to check Melee hits only ?

[hexed rune]

Is it better to try to keep SB and IP up as much as possible, while maybe delaying for mechanics, or only use it based on what damage you're taking and maximise the amount of rage you can spend on revenge?

[stoic mural]

Yup i made a mistake yesterday. I obliged myself spending more rage on defensives. But i did it even in Offtank phase... meh

But i needed to train the defensive rotation over offensive one. Now lets do both

[wild sandal]

on pelgos do we choose the 35% more heal on phial or the potency condut path?

[fallow mortar]

Mitigate when being hit and revenge to make sure you don't cap at 100

[hexed rune]

So only revenge when about to cap, and try to keep both mitigation up at all times during the fight.
Alright

[sweet summit]

no not really

you use revenge to keep aggro/do damage

[hexed rune]

Hm, is there ever a situation then where you'd forego having IP up to get more revenge casts out?

[sage sierra]

what are good trinkets for m+?

[sweet summit]

if youre not taking a fuckton of damage or youre engaging a new pack and need to grab aggro

[sweet summit]

blood splattered scale and anima field emitter

[stoic mural]

You all go kyrian ? Night fae is very cool though

[hexed rune]

Makes sense, thanks

[chilly brook]

Nightfae boi here

Plenty of us exist for prot tbh

[valid zodiac]

Night Fae gang reporting in

[stoic mural]

Oh yeah, fellas

[steep lake]

souldbind for night fae prot? niya?

[strong forum]

i think so

[blazing condor]

can you still spell reflect mueh'zalas melee hit?

[strong forum]

if you mean soulcrusher or master of death, yes you can

[blazing condor]

aight thanks

[raw mango]

anyone try prot in torggast?

[strong forum]

ofc

[blazing condor]

yeah i do it

[strong forum]

its the easiest of all warrior specs to do torghast as

[blazing condor]

its pretty good tbh

[raw mango]

how so? what powers do you prioritize

[strong forum]

none

[blazing condor]

i think icy-veins have a "tier list" but idk how good that is

[strong forum]

regular torghast you dont need any powers

[blazing condor]

the 4.000% shattering throw and heroic leap/charge 200% damage are pretty good ones

[strong forum]

for twisted corridors you wanna get the execute power, like 3 shout powers, a couple IP powers and 2 SW powers

and then youre good to go

and get like 40ish souls

[raw mango]

I’m on layer 8 of TC and struggling to find the easiest spec for it lol

cant clear it

[strong forum]

idk i oneshot it easy as prot

prio getting alot of powers on early floors

if you get to 50-60 powers, once you have enough SW uptime and the execute power ready + the heroic leap/charge granting 200% dmg increase

you can start skipping the last floors

and just run through

[raw mango]

I’m kyrian will that matter much

[strong forum]

im also kyrian

just play it save

if you dont wanna fail