protection

[zenith monolith]

yeah I am so used to facetanking, trying to break the habit

[jolly thistle]

I like TL more, but I haven’t don’t any really high keys only 15-17s. Continuous rage gain on wall was nice, the cdr didn’t really help that much

[sweet summit]

@jagged pier 👀

[modern brook]

busted

[sand cloud]

Gz

[jolly thistle]

[zenith monolith]

think I am gonna craft TL for now, havent even done any pvp to get Leapo

so TL is more damage ?

[sweet summit]

yeah

in m+ it is

[zenith monolith]

like lots more, or small diff ?

[sweet summit]

a bit, you can sim it and see

[zenith monolith]

yeah will do, ty

[gentle folio]

Is there a way to change the SimC APL to not use Shield block while the enemy is casting/channeling?

of a place i could find this information

[jagged pier]

that is some lucky shit

[sweet summit]

gotta see if i win first 😬

[modern brook]

the simc APL doesnt sim survivability at all, its just straight damage

[sweet summit]

WA said -4 but i believe

[modern brook]

so delaying SB for casts wont do anything significant

probably a minus like 6 damage or something

[sweet summit]

it uses SB and IP to to make it somewhat realistic

[modern brook]

yah yah but like having it optimally use SB defensively wont do anything significant to the sim, is what i mean

[thin nexus]

In hoa how many stacks of bear bleed should I get before kiting

[sweet summit]

depends on a lot of things

its more of a case by case thing

[gentle folio]

so there is no logic i could get in there? im using an addon that recommends spells. and i wanted to edit it to revenge instead of shield block if channel of cast occurs. to test if the dps will go up and by how much.

[thin nexus]

Whats the hard and fast rule? So I know what to start looking at before I have a feel for it @sweet summit

[modern brook]

My personal work with APLs begins and ends in rogue

[strong forum]

Feelycraft

[sweet summit]

highly recommend uninstalling that addon 👀

[modern brook]

Im sure theres some check you can do for if casting do this

[sweet summit]

not a big fan

[modern brook]

but i dont know it

[sweet summit]

whenever youre taking too much damage

🤷‍♂️

[thin nexus]

Okay, ty

[sweet summit]

it uses it when SS is ready

for extra ss damage

iirc

2 sec

checking

actions.st+=/shield_block,if=cooldown.shield_slam.ready&buff.shield_block.down

whenever you dont have SB and SS is ready, the sim uses SB

[grizzled forge]

I feel like hungering low key hits harder than sludge lol maybe not 30 percent but prior

[remote dawn]

guys any have fast a charge/interverne macro?

[sweet summit]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover] Intervene
/cast Charge

[remote dawn]

merci

and talents IF or Ravager ? or is this wayne ^^

[sweet summit]

ravager in m+
itf in raid

[remote dawn]

ty 🙂 and with bolster and the wall leggy is right? for m+ or is thunderlord the better option?

[icy dirge]

What item level you guys think is required before doing a 14/15

[fierce tendon]

200+ if you know what you're doing

[lime urchin]

I have 208ish and no idea what I am doing so I deplete most 13 keys.

[sweet summit]

people did 15s in 180 gear, but thats the high end

so 200 sounds about right

there are probably people that have done 15s in 140 for all i know

[fierce tendon]

Anything that high just requires knowledge of all the mechanics of trash pulls, how to do it etc

Rarely do ppl die when everything is done correctly (interrupts, pulls, etc)

[sick sentinel]

i'd say sure 150 could run 15 but no way a an entire group could run a 15 at 150

not even remotely feasible possible all 5 players are all at 150 ilvl, or it would be like 25 wipes and 4 hours

[fierce tendon]

^^ i think I remember some 186 group stuck in SoA overnight for 9 hours trying to get a 16 or 17 down lol

[sick sentinel]

more like 14 hours

[sweet summit]

ah the koreans

thats content

peak content

[sick sentinel]

"14 hours and 915 deaths later"

[fierce tendon]

[sick sentinel]

the part of plague fall with that douchebag who sends basically 1 shot bombs at you

i'll never figure out what the perfect way to do that is, seems like is always always a wipe

[sweet summit]

2nd boss?

[fierce tendon]

the tentacle gauntlet thing?

[sweet summit]

oh that

[sick sentinel]

right before him there is some asshole and he just sits there summoning bombs

[sweet summit]

leap/intervene away, have them explode on mobs. it does friendly fire damage

its quite handy

if you know how to use it

[sick sentinel]

i went the obvious path aross the rocks, and the ragnaros player went all the way to the right, made 2 more tentacles

[unkempt fox]

That asshole actually enabling high PF keys @sick sentinel

Those adds bomb prides

[fierce tendon]

Yeah I usually intervene a caster, or you can tank the mobs away from caster so you can charge the summoner

The bombs after glob boss that lie on the floor have the same effect, can be used to nuke adds if youre pushing fast, not many ppl know about them

[sick sentinel]

i guess what it is, is i expect the dungeon run to go a certain way and it doesnt and something incredibly stupid it confuses me and makes me int

[unkempt fox]

Yes those bomb destroying prides aswekl

[sick sentinel]

like if some idiot ragnaros blood lusts when final spires boss is about to fly

[fierce tendon]

I feel same way after a critical fuckup im just like meh keys probably fucked anyways lol

m+ to me just feels like a 30 minute raid encounter

[sick sentinel]

cuz, if i can't see that someones going to go aggro 2 more packs how in the fuck am i supposed to prepare for that in the next 10 seconds when i've probably already calcuated what CD's i want to use

or have up

and im not even at prideful yet, so i have to compeletely scrap every route i know and learn new ones

not having a great time is what im getting at

[fierce tendon]

Prideful makes stuff a lot easier tbh

When you have the right route you get beefed up and just blow through 2-3 packs or a boss

Only times it sucks is when you get a buttpulling andy that screws that % up

[crude whale]

how do you guys deal with spitful? i just had three groups fail the key because they refused to kite the wraths and all seemed to think it was because prot war sucks lol

everytime ive ever done this with a guild group they just cc and kite

[sweet summit]

there is not a lot you can do

[fierce tendon]

Its a dps mechanic

doesn't go on tanks

[crude whale]

ok, so im not going crazy lol

[fierce tendon]

the spirits fucking hurt but the best thing u can do is just not invite melee

[crude whale]

love playing prot war but puging groups is maddening because are constantly giving me shit for playing this class lol

half the time im wondering if im just doing something wrong

[fierce tendon]

Eh easy to point blame, war isn't bad but it is harder to play than most specs

[sick sentinel]

i am starting to become convinced that the ragnaros players have been sent to my keys to fuck me over

[modern brook]

have you tried just holding aggro on the spiteful 4head

[fierce tendon]

Also don't invite rag/azr unless you want your key bricked

Quelthalas too

[crude whale]

lol

whole servers are that bad?

[fierce tendon]

there are players on them that do well

But they're not pugging m+ lmfao

[modern brook]

rag azr and qt are latin american servers

so they're usually ESL which is a brick in the first place

[sick sentinel]

you cant speak spanish or english to them as they have like 28 langauges in south america

[crude whale]

lol

[sick sentinel]

and you lag out because of distance and shitty internet

[modern brook]

You couple that with the fact that for whatever reason the Latin american servers are like in chicago

[crude whale]

ok, good to note lol

[modern brook]

Similarly Australia sucks because their servers are like Austin based or something

[fierce tendon]

I've seen more shit happen that I've never seen happen when I invite ppl from those servers to my keys

Like super random shit

pulling mobs from places I've never even walked before

glitching mobs through floors because they walk a weird way

[crude whale]

weird

[sweet summit]

lol

[crude whale]

i have had weird shit happen on spires, i just chaulked it up to the zone being buggy as fuck lol

[sweet summit]

man have you seen stone legion

that boss

is so cursed

[crude whale]

yup lol

[sweet summit]

mobs falling though the floor

i cba

[fierce tendon]

have u ever received 2 shattering blasts, throwing ur entire raid off the cliff on a clean pull

[sweet summit]

just charge

[fierce tendon]

tell that to the non warriors :^]

[crude whale]

we did have a side room miny boss agro multiple pulls in a row during sludge-fist heroic that fucked us repeatedly lol

wiped 4 times before we checked the logs to see what the fuck was happening

[sweet summit]

lmao

[crude whale]

was so stupid lol

[steady spruce]

for spiteful you can try to put the pack on the side of a room or behind the group so the group can just go forward once the pack is dead and ignore the wraiths

but in the end depends on what the dps do

[fierce tendon]

yeah if you can kite far enough you don't need to actually dps the ghosts

[steady spruce]

Monks, droods, hunts can alway bump the adds

[crude whale]

was just maddening to have multiple groups die to it and all blamed the prot war rofl

took me a min to even understand wtf they are talking about because it was a non issue when i go with my guild group lol

they dont attack me so i just ignored them

[fierce tendon]

yo just singlehandedly kill the ghosts next time

[crude whale]

right lol

[modern brook]

Honestly theirs something fucky with Aggro and dying this expac

I've seen wipes happen we release and thensuddenly have a pack teleport on top of us

[fierce tendon]

I know that happens when you release too fast

Between the last person dying and first person releasing it just transfers aggro to the only living person, I usually give it 4-5 seconds

[modern brook]

yeah i dont know how to say "we wiped cleanly"

but like

We'd wait that time

and still get teleporters its fukcing weird

[steady spruce]

I had a drood use convoke at the start of each fight and got surprised he got aggro

Why are dps like that

Are other tanks that better aggro-wise?

[modern brook]

no

other druids are smarter about delaying their convoke literally 2 seconds

[steady spruce]

I really feel bad in those moments cause i assume i'm the one who made a mistake

[remote dawn]

Wall or Thunderlord for m+ with bolster Talent?

[steady spruce]

same things when hunter complain you're kiting mobs outside of his zone.
"I guess i'll die then"

[modern brook]

Honestly at this point its only like 75% meme when i say you actually cant make a mistake as a tank

[lavish oracle]

Either, pick your favorite @remote dawn

[steady spruce]

DPS get much more responsibility this expac than last one i believe, and the transition is hard

[lavish oracle]

They're very close for M+

If you're talking about raid, 100% The Wall

[modern brook]

just make both

[remote dawn]

No 95 % m+

Mmmh

[lavish oracle]

You'll have plenty of ash

At least make em both at 190 and see which you like better

[remote dawn]

No 1 for dd 😄

Can we say the wall is tankier and thunder aoe dps?

[lavish oracle]

Sure. We can say that, I don't know how true it is, in practice

[remote dawn]

Mmh 😅

[fierce tendon]

Wall makes you get more consistent rage while lowering a 50% dr to ~2 min cd while thunderlord gives you lump of rage to a 20% dr and damage buff

[azure flint]

I think it depends on dungeon. Wall is really good for some (DoS/top)
Thunder good for faster pulls like mists

[fierce tendon]

on cd every 20ish secs

[remote dawn]

With the Wall Play bolster or AM for faster reset shieldwall?

[azure flint]

I’d say bolster is so useful with the rage gen conduit

[fierce tendon]

wall and am make your shield wall come up very fast, bolster doesn't effect shield wall

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys i need some help for my vault, i already got the weap 223, atm i have bloodscale (207) and anima field (200) and my shield is 200 (Mast/Hast) what should i take ?

[silk edge]

i'd go for the long run pick and get the ring

the rest you can get easier

and it has somewhat good stats

[fierce tendon]

Yeah dont waste on those picks imo anything you pick there except ring and maybe the meat hook will get replaced

[azure flint]

Ring, unless you have 2 good stated high ilvl rings

[lavish oracle]

Don't go AM even with The Wall

[sick sentinel]

I got the same ring but in 207

[fierce tendon]

Easy then take ring imo

[lavish oracle]

You're still losing a lot of mitigation uptime by dropping Bolster, and Unnerving Focus is very good, as some people pointed out

[sick sentinel]

Okay thanks guys!

[modern brook]

is apogee the 1h or the shield?

[sick sentinel]

Shield

[modern brook]

its worth considering then

It'd basically only be replaced by a weekly chest shield or a mythic kill

[azure flint]

Or stone legions

[sick sentinel]

+13 ilvl on shield and +19 on ring atm

[lavish oracle]

I think shield, in that case

[azure flint]

U got 2 ways a week to get that shield or better from simple pugs. Not worth long term

[sick sentinel]

Okay i'll take the ring then

[modern brook]

Weird logic tbh but w/e rings fine imo

[sick sentinel]

I'll wait 'til the raid reclear and i'll see maybe it will drop this week

[cold belfry]

is there a DR on versatility?

[modern brook]

yes

[cold belfry]

above 30%?

[modern brook]

yes

[cold belfry]

so I should go haste?

[steady spruce]

yes

[modern brook]

completely unrelated, but yes

[strong forum]

Always haste

First you go for ilvl

Then you go for haste

[cold belfry]

thank u, yea im 32% vers atm

[strong forum]

Then you go for vers or crit

[steady spruce]

still at 13% haste, poor me

[strong forum]

I think I'm now at 22%

[steady spruce]

showoff

[strong forum]

Still have ton of pieces that don't have haste

Want that sweet 39%

[steady spruce]

what does it bring?

100% uptime on SB?

[strong forum]

It's when the 2nd tax threshold sets it in

No lmao

100% SB uptime requires 166% haste

[modern brook]

you dont have 166?

[strong forum]

Bruh I ain't even level 255 yet... Still leveling

[modern brook]

SMH bro u just gotta use itf

[strong forum]

Just stack prot warriors

Itf stacks right?

[modern brook]

probably

THe one time i tried to run itf was on alt night

And we had 1 melee dps

so i couldnt even max it out

😦

[fierce tendon]

just ravager then

[sweet summit]

[cold belfry]

16% haste good?

[undone jacinth]

it’s fine

[cold belfry]

thank you 🙂

[lofty widget]

from weekly, any thoughts?

[fierce tendon]

replace 203 and ascend the ilvl train

[jagged pier]

i mean depends what else u got and have

[lofty widget]

alternative is 226 crit haste chest, i have 213 crit vers chest

[jagged pier]

id take the chest tbh

[fierce tendon]

that then probs ^^

[undone jacinth]

chest

fuck a ring

[fierce tendon]

gear over rings

[jagged pier]

main stat > ring upgrade with no optimal stats

[lofty widget]

aye thx guys

[strong forum]

oh yeaaah

from 226 crit mastery helm to 226 haste mastery helm

we're gaming boys

23.97% haste

[fierce tendon]

Man I'm sitting st like 15% but my stats are like all completely even

I'm a failure

[meager stream]

Is 40 leech worth more than 4 ilvl with "better" stats?

[strong forum]

no

[fierce tendon]

All the secondaries are mostly meme

[meager stream]

Alright, thanks

[fierce tendon]

Sorry tertiary

[modern brook]

speed op tbh

[fierce tendon]

I've seen one goober running around oribos in a speed build, he had the 'running' walk

fast as fuck

[jagged pier]

@strong forum I did it

[grand drum]

That fire resist tho

[blazing condor]

lightless force or celestial for wep enchant?

[undone jacinth]

Celeste

[honest timber]

[Gluttonous Spike] is it any good for tanking?

[runic sphinx]

Does anyone have a weak aura 2 track sheild block and ignore pain absorb?

[lavish oracle]

I think the Queensguard's Vigil trinket might be good

For M+ anyways, if you could reliably get it at high ilvl

did 8% of my overall healing in the test dungeon I ran with it

[undone jacinth]

wasnt there a how to sim vault post in here somewhere

[undone sun]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=319928/use-raidbots-to-find-your-best-dps-upgrade-in-the-great-vault-in-shadowlands

[heady ivy]

Is the anima decanter trinket really that good? I just simmed it and it is higher than a 29ilvl upgrade for greaves (which give more stats?)

[sweet summit]

its good for damage yeah

[sterile moss]

you may still want the legs

[heady ivy]

how so? Legs better for survivavility / trinket for more damage?

[sterile moss]

yes

and there are better trinkets

[heady ivy]

Hmmm I see, thanks!

[undone jacinth]

I rly hate the trinket

but that's just me

usually gear is better than trinkets

[ocean bloom]

Hey guys for mythic raid does our parse come down to more revenge over IP? Or is it very minor to our parse to press more revenges.

[undone jacinth]

if ur not revenging and casting IP instead

ur parse will be lower

the guy in here yesterday posting his 97 parse had a 4 healing parse

[strong forum]

gaming

[ocean bloom]

Okay, so for a slower guild who is progging fights i shouldn't expect big parses unless im focusing on parsing?

[jagged pier]

you should 100% focus on defence if your progressing

[strong forum]

that being said, even as tank you should be able to get purple-orange logs on first kills cuz its the special olympics 😄

[jagged pier]

^^

[modern brook]

decanter also over sims like crazy idk why

[strong forum]

idk about over simming

my 226 does 100-120dps on average, on huntsman it once did 177dps on logs

in hoa it also does a fuckton of damage

[modern brook]

mine was dogshit

though it was not a 226

[strong forum]

decanter also hugely benefits off of multiple targets

[chilly brook]

To put it into perspective

It's big dam

[ocean bloom]

I see I see, also wtf dragon roar

What secret strat is this

[strong forum]

apparently it sims like 0.1% better

or some shizz

i aint taking it

fugg that

[chilly brook]

It's a 40 dps gain ok

Plus when it crits for 17k on sludge it's big stonks

[ocean bloom]

So revenge spam makes sense to not do on prog but what about execute? I always say fuck IP and press execute atm lol

[strong forum]

you still use revenge and execute on prog

🤔

[chilly brook]

Depends on the situation

[strong forum]

what Griff linked, is basically what your average dmg breakdown should look like

[chilly brook]

Obviously if you're getting trucked in last phase of sire you don't execute over IP

[strong forum]

i do

but yeah, all depends on situation, if youre not in a dangerous situation youre free to slap a few revenges

[chilly brook]

I mean 20% hp I'm not gonna execute lol

I'm gonna try to live

[ocean bloom]

Suuuuuure

I understand

[chilly brook]

Prog fights I also play a lot more defensive

[strong forum]

spam execute, get ressed, continue spamming execute

for example, this was my first sire kill

https://i.imgur.com/0TBEErU.png

[chilly brook]

Most recent Sire kill for example

[chilly brook]

I was playing more aggro

[ocean bloom]

Okay so still pressing revenge a good bit

[strong forum]

i am ye

[mighty valley]

the best part of condemn is that the tooltip has a nominal defensive benefit, so I can convince myself i'm helping everyone by pressing execute

[strong forum]

Griff isnt.

[chilly brook]

But group kept wiping

[strong forum]

[chilly brook]

So I went full defensive

Still had a 90

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

this is from my kill yesterday on sire

for example

[ocean bloom]

Yeah im getting decent ilvl parses atm but I'm just worried that I'm fucking my raid up by not pressing IP enough atm

[strong forum]

you wanna find a healthy balance of IP and revenge

[chilly brook]

I was running AM on him

[strong forum]

ah

i wasnt

[chilly brook]

But again

Several wipes at like 5%

So I said fuck it bolster it is

I could have stayed AM

[strong forum]

we killed sire after 3rd ravage in p3

[chilly brook]

Cuz really it was people being dumb

[strong forum]

with 2 mages in iceblocks

dots ticking

[chilly brook]

📈

[strong forum]

such a shit show

[ocean bloom]

Can I post my logs maybe see if I'm not pressing IP enough

[chilly brook]

Heroic Sire is just a mythic fight in heroic

[strong forum]

pmuch

heroic sire is harder than first 3 mythic

i feel like

[ocean bloom]

Idk man my guild was big struggle bus on destroyer

[chilly brook]

Haven't killed hungering yet

[strong forum]

hungering is kind of an annoying meme

[chilly brook]

Ngl I feel strong as fuck on hungering though

[strong forum]

cuz personal responsibility

in shit guilds

is a huge struggle

where you cant just yell at everyone to do the thing correctly

so im just sitting there calling every mechanic and when people need to be soaked

[astral crystal]

youre gonna have a blast on xymox and inerva

[strong forum]

literally bigwigs but voice

[ocean bloom]

BigNomeratur

[strong forum]

Xymox is 0 callouts almost

Inerva will be a shit show

[chilly brook]

Literally running AM and The Wall I have Shield Wall up for every bad expunge which is the only time I feel I'm at risk

[astral crystal]

personal player accountability is pretty big on xymox too

[strong forum]

i mean you assign people to seeds

always the same cunts

and then just.. do ghosts

and run

[chilly brook]

We still have people who get hit by the fucking disks or can't LOS on Shriek

[strong forum]

xymox is literally a shotgun pull boss

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

just keep on pulling

no new strats

just spam pulls

[astral crystal]

Yeha check back with me when you’re on it, there’s a learning curve

[strong forum]

ofc

[ocean bloom]

Can someone check out my logs ill post them in log review

[strong forum]

hence the shotgun pulls

[chilly brook]

Like Shriek is so ez

[strong forum]

pound the mechanics into your dps

[astral crystal]

As a tank it’s a 0 stress fight, but you’re at the mercy of the slowest player in your raid

[strong forum]

until muscle memory kicks in

[chilly brook]

And somehow people still fuck that up when it's the only thing they can do

[ocean bloom]

My DH takes all the expunges cuz he wanted to so I let him lol

[strong forum]

your general IP uptime is a little low

in general, you just spend less rage

and you both tanks took alot of damage on hungering

[modern brook]

H sire or M?

[strong forum]

were talking bout HC Sire

[uneven mason]

this (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[modern brook]

Its actually really weird to me that Mythic is an actual challenge this expac

[strong forum]

ya idk what it is

[modern brook]

My Theory is its the cadence of gearing

[strong forum]

probably

[modern brook]

Its much harder to out number fights this expac

[strong forum]

cuz like, my guilds average is still only 213

[modern brook]

same

[strong forum]

fucking 6 weeks in

[jagged pier]

rip rank 10 sire and died twice D:

[uneven mason]

Yeah at this point in BFA we were sharding the drops from mythic Uldir because we were all in better

I don't mind slowing gear down a bit, what I Mind is the fact that I'm getting plenty of DROPS and options for gear, they're all repeats

"wearing a cloak lego, you need a 226 to replace that 235"

real reason, they made the "bad luck protection" AI go full REEEEEEEE

and give you the reverse of what you need.

[chilly brook]

On one hand its nice to hit a boss and be like "yo I need this"

But the drops are so scarce that I honestly dont have that

I just think about "yay 35 anima wooo"

[delicate wave]

there are no drops in mythic for warriors

[ocean bloom]

Pvp is just so rewarding that m+ and raid just feel like they are there for the achievement

[hollow bolt]

yeah itz crazy

• on the bright side if i hit 2100 i can trade any shiny mythic gear 2 my dk overlords

[strong forum]

your dks are overlords?

our are bottom feeders that deserve beatings

[uneven mason]

This, I don't expect items from a boss, I've actually walked away from the bodies because I don't expect anything now.

[chilly brook]

Somehow I'm still 217 though

[astral crystal]

you gotta will it and believe it

[chilly brook]

I've gotten lucky af on my vault

[uneven mason]

yeah vault luck

[chilly brook]

Or just people didnt need something

[uneven mason]

I've been 205 for weeks

cause nothing drops

and vault has been like 🖕

"I Heard you wanted to have a 0 ilvl upgrade on your gloves, here you go AT LEAST THEY HAVE HASTE!"

[strong forum]

im quite happy

i replaced my non haste helmet

with big haste helmet

only slot thats not 220+ is belt and 1 ring

so im very

i can just get that from pvp

[deft vessel]

mucho haste now, unbuffed

[chilly brook]

Must be nice

Cries in 14%

[modern brook]

i think its crazy that you can clear the raid and not even be halfway through the weekly

[sweet summit]

gonna be honest

i dont know how i complete that weekly

every week

[modern brook]

I've been cheating

[chilly brook]

Big facts

[modern brook]

Hold remonia for teusday

oh sorry bolvar

I'll let you down in a week

[sweet summit]

thats just a one time quest

no?

[modern brook]

yeah im screwed at this point

[chilly brook]

It is

[blazing condor]

how you wanna position the 2nd boss in SoA?

with the orbs

[chilly brook]

In a straight line

[blazing condor]

so after the first orb do i just move down a little or?

and continue

[chilly brook]

Yea just move a little

[blazing condor]

aight

[chilly brook]

Drop them all in a line

[blazing condor]

and for third is there any specific way or just kinda go left to right

[chilly brook]

Group up for the orbs

Move away

Group up

Move away

[blazing condor]

yeah that's how ive been doing it

just wondering if there was a specific srat

last question for SoA lol is there any specific packs you wanna spear ?

[chilly brook]

Before second boss

Last mob before last boss

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also lust last mob dont lust last boss tbh

[modern brook]

I had a 2 IQ thought the other day and i cant remember why its bad - why dont you just pull all 3 of the angels at once b4 last boss in soa? dont they only give eachother the mechanic if they die?

[sweet summit]

they heal to full when one die

unless you kill them within 3 seconds?

or something

also its hard

[shut summit]

yea can kill them together if do it properly

[modern brook]

Aight so its at least a 3iq idea then

[sweet summit]

its like 2-3 seconds

i think

[modern brook]

i think the need is less relevent now, since they made the stacks drop w/ combat

[ripe seal]

When 1 dies the two others get full HP, so you have to kill them at the same time

[uneven mason]

😟 flashbacks to bolstering weeks in shrine
IDK if I've ever seen a group execute "Kill at same time" properly

[chilly brook]

It's literally 2 secondsn

They all have to die pretty much at the same time

[limpid pawn]

im watching sense do high keys

the amount of unmitigated hits he takes is quite large

that's just bad (he's a great player) the class design needs owrk

[strong forum]

Every class needs work

Dhs are dying through demon spikes

Pallies mitigation isn't strong enough

Bdk is bdk

Guardian is kind of okayish I think but dmg and aggro is trash

Prot dmg is meh and mitigation uptime is too low

Monk idk

[limpid pawn]

so DH with fiery brand has pretty huge uptime tho

monk is in a good place too mostly

pally mitigation needs serious work

bdk needs like more mitigation via the bone shield armor lol

with prot war i think 1 extra charge shield block would solve it

[shut summit]

or just nerf the dmg mobs do in m+

[limpid pawn]

WORD

just watched your +17 bro

necrotic wake

was solid

[strong forum]

even with their 40-50% uptime on FB, its not enough to prevent them from kiting a shitton

like ...

m+ needs a serious tuning pass

[surreal nest]

Slimy Consumptive Organ. Is it cool or uncool, just got it as an 10ilvl upgrade. But i figure its bad because of stam instead of strength.

[shut summit]

🔜

[exotic spoke]

Like Sense said, it’s more about the damage the mobs do

[undone jacinth]

I don't think tanking should really be like 'if mitigation up = potentially live' - 'if mitigation down = definitely die'

mitigation should be your stronger moments not just the only possible way to survive

[limpid pawn]

yo threat in general seems trash

like let warriors fucking clap bro

combine shield block with revenge, fuck it just rip the bandaid off

[undone jacinth]

warrior threat is pretty decent

[limpid pawn]

AOE cap tho

[undone jacinth]

but ions comment about if you are trying the bare minimum then you keep threat doesnt really apply

[limpid pawn]

i wanna be bfa season 4 level again

[exotic spoke]

AoE cap at five and eight is ducking stupid

[limpid pawn]

it's ducking stupid indeed bro

[undone jacinth]

I was thinking they should implement smart threat like smart heal, so with your aoe target cap the damage hits the mob with the lowest threat like a heal would target the lowest hp

[lavish oracle]

I sometimes have problems when 1 or two mobs wander over to my mage and pop his cauterize but that's what AoE taunt is for

[tender copper]

@undone jacinth @heavy sail thanks for the advice on Monday, we dropped 5 people and had a 8% & 5% on our 2 pulls after the clear tonight

[undone jacinth]

np and nice job

[lavish oracle]

I wonder what our 2nd leggo should be if/when we get another slot

[silent grove]

What am I supposed to do in NW

At the sub boss with the 3 casters?

[sweet summit]

wall tl prob

use orb/hammer/spear

[silent grove]

Ok

[lavish oracle]

I could see signet being a good option in M+ if they ever make it proc ravager/proc off of ravager

[sweet summit]

signet would be

NUTTY

if that was a think

AAAAAAAAA

[lavish oracle]

Come to think of it, could make it worth it to pick up one of the support legendaries situationally

Like Misshapen Mirror or Unbreakable will for particular fights/dungeons

[paper relic]

Hello all. I’m new here. I’m almost 60 and I’m curious as to what everyone thinks is the best covenant for raiding. I have a blood DK that I main, but I’ve been a protection warrior since Wrath expansion

[lavish oracle]

Kyrian is the strongest overall for raid, hard to pass up Phial

[azure flint]

2nd

[paper relic]

does it outpace night fae that badly?

[lavish oracle]

I'd say Ancient Aftershock and Spear are both pretty close

[paper relic]

so the phial is the tie breaker?

[azure flint]

yes

[lavish oracle]

Pretty much

[paper relic]

yeah makes sense

[lavish oracle]

We're already very mobile in a raid setting so spirit form doesn't offer as much utility as another healing pot/cleanse does, generally speaking

[paper relic]

agreed, mobility isn't an issue. thanks for the help, glad to be here as well btw

[craggy pilot]

whats best Legendary and Conduit setup for Prot in M+ ?

[lofty widget]

the wall if youre also doing other content ie. raiding, thunderlord if you only do m+, for conduits i play piercing, unnerving, SoF and stalwart but you might wanna swap a potency for finesse

[limpid pawn]

kinda like the wall for M+ too

[lofty widget]

both are banging tbh, just depends which playstyle you prefer

[craggy pilot]

thought i saw a bunch of people using Leaper last week, but cant find any on r.io now

[limpid pawn]

leaper? for ultra kiting?

[lofty widget]

embrace the meta

[craggy pilot]

ya exactly 😄 but only problem as Warr is you get no rage when kiting

is any other Kyrian than Pelagos viable?

[lofty widget]

i think kleia is the go-to on necrotic weeks, but not aside from that

[sweet summit]

Pelagos ia the strongeat one period, but you can use any and be fine tbh

[lavish oracle]

What's Kleia give for necrotic?

[craggy pilot]

kinda wanna use a diff one, as i already got Pelagos set up for Arms, and cant switch without going back to Covenant place all the time :>

[lofty widget]

8 sec immunity to necrotic

[limpid pawn]

kleia = 8 sec immunity?

[sweet summit]

Oh right

[lavish oracle]

Ah

[craggy pilot]

Ascendant Phial

[sweet summit]

Thought that was on pelagos sorry

Feelsventhyrman

[craggy pilot]

ah cool, think i will setup Kleia for Prot then

how much worse will that be than Pelagos tho?

lul i get 3 Endurance Conduits

wtf 😄

[neat dirge]

how do i do Prot warriors Opener?

[limpid pawn]

avatar, charge, demo shout, ravager, kyrian spear

oh shield block whijle charging

[proud patrol]

After another wonderful random experience I´m thinking of switching to prot again. I`m a Venthyr as I have to raid as DD - how´s the state of prot right now? Do you have to run around and kite a lot?

[acoustic stratus]

my god i hate plaguefall

does every mob in there have to slow me for fucks sakes

[chilly brook]

Daily reminder that you can have immunity to necrotic for as long as you would like to not get hit

🙂

[craggy pilot]

is Condemn even usable in a Prot Warr rotation?

[chilly brook]

yes

it just replaces IP

in single target

[craggy pilot]

rly? does it do that much dmg reduction?

[deft vessel]

upgraded the wall to rank 4, now even faster, 28.03% haste unbuffed

[chilly brook]

No not as much as IP but enough to stil;l fill IP's role

And a reminder

It's more rage efficient than IP

[cursive yacht]

I kinda like Venthyr tanking atm.

[fringe marten]

When you upgrade a lego, if it's socketed..does the socket remain?

[cursive hedge]

is prot worthless for high keys?

or can i maybe try it?

[chilly brook]

Idk dude

[fringe marten]

Does no one know if the socket stays if you upgrade a lego?

[fallow mortar]

I would hope it does

[dense flame]

Does the SunKing trinket have as much value for prot as for DH?

seems like silly question, but have seen the discussion here that the trinket is underwhelming.

I ask as a second cheat death for DH is pretty nice imo.

[cold belfry]

2 more dungeons for KSM 🙂

[nimble drift]

its like

good for progression

[cursive hedge]

it's fantastic for difficult content. meh in all other scenarios

[deft vessel]

Everything else stays the same, including enchants so I believe it should, but also 7.2k stygia is not that much

I have a trinket question, I'm still using a 184 anima field, and a 213 scale, I've not really dropped many trinkets in all my m+ adventures but I'm really getting fed up with the anima emitter, I've literally used an anima emitter for the entire expansion, from normal, then from heroic spam for lego, then from normal mythic before season even opened

So, what are reasonable upgrades for a 184 anima field emitter that I can consider

What item levels do lower shittier trinkets start over powering the anima field emitter? And what trinkets specifically

Obv I want an equip of sorts, since I'd like to keep my scale

And I primarily do m+ for reference, but also raid here and there

For reference I'm 212 equipped with the wall, 211 with thunerlord

[civic torrent]

Hey team, I remember there was a spreadsheet / imgur album showing damage profiles for each dungeon, does anyone have a link to this?

[lavish oracle]

I like the cheat death trinket but the group I run with also only has one engi brez

In M+

[amber herald]

cheat death trinket very good for pushing keys or progressing raids imo

probably want something that gives more damage/survivability if you have the content on farm

[solemn magnet]

Just get a 220 emitter xD

[green fjord]

so the dungeoneers tanking dummy in revedreth does uber strike and melees, plus an attack called "dummy attack". Uber strike is a cast.

Why am i loosing health when i have shield block up and the dummy isnt casting?

[undone jacinth]

its doing more melee dmg than ur block ?

[sonic silo]

which leggo is currently beter for m+? is it just personal preference between the two you recomend in the faq?

[undone jacinth]

yea

[nimble drift]

How to parse better in raid

I'm thinking of going ravager for some fights for more damage

[lofty widget]

go ITF and AM and spam every drop of rage into revenge/execute

pressing SS and TC on CD

[shell fox]

does anyone know the best race to prot warrior on horde

im transfering my human warrior on stormrage to area 52 horde

[mighty valley]

@thick helm I don't think it's meant to work differently on different types of damage - are you sure you're not comparing a 20 rage condemn to a 40 rage one?

[spark mortar]

How is Hateful Chain as a trinket?

[silent grove]

@shell fox I went undead for will of the forsaken

But undead doesn’t look great in armor sets

If that’s important

Taurens are pretty good. Extra stun is always nice

[worn bear]

is there much point in wotf if we have berserker rage?

curious

[silent grove]

I play in war mode

[worn bear]

oh gotcha

[silent grove]

I like having extra get of of jail cards

[nimble drift]

@lofty widget but then ill die

[fringe marten]

WOO..got the shoulders from mythic Hungering destroyer. Now I don't have to use a pair of 203 shoulders to use my thunderstompers. thank god! (plus dat XMOG..)

[smoky sparrow]

203 anime field emitter or 213 gluttonous spike?

[fringe marten]

the field emitter IMHO

I have a 213 spike and I just don't have a time I even use it now

the field emitter is much more useful IMO

[smoky sparrow]

hmm alright

thanks

[fringe marten]

Yeah the gluttonous spike is in a weird position if being a good trinket; but not 'great' at any 1 thing that you really want to use trinkets for.

You're choosing trinkets for max damage, or max survivability. and there's better trinkets for either condition

better trinkets that if you're doing heroic destroyer you will have access to.

[smoky sparrow]

i also have a 216 decanter that i kinda regret choosing in the vault lol

[fringe marten]

I had to take 223 decanter this week; I could have gotten the cube..and I probably should have.

I've seen 2 cubes in my vault now; those COULD have been blood spattered scales. =\

[smoky sparrow]

blood splattered scale is GOAT

[fringe marten]

Actually now that I say it out loud..I shoulda' still taken the cube LOL. what an idgit~

[merry trout]

For prot legendary, thunderlord can be placed on hands also, why only feet are mentioned?

in the pinned message

[fringe marten]

I had heard the decanter just wasn't that good; but I thought I'd see more use from it than the cube...that was a huge mistake, cube is a really useful tool actually.

[uncut finch]

213 ring without haste or 200 ring with 133 haste?

do I go for the 200 ilvl here?

[fringe marten]

oof..13 ilevels is a lot on even a ring; but that's also a lot of haste.

but I still think 13 levels worth of stats even on jewelry is pretty stout.

i think most folks are going to say go for the 213..

[uncut finch]

so much haste lol .. so tempting

[fringe marten]

but I feel ya'..I just got mythic legs from hungering destroyer, (was given by a paladin LOL) but they were only 3 ilevels upgrade over my vault legs. so it's 3 ilevel on a big armor piece but I'm losing almost 90 haste. it hurts..it's 3% haste.

I think you can just pick at your discretion at that point. If you're left really low in haste I'd maybe stick with the high haste ring.

[uncut finch]

I have been rly unlucky with haste pieces

only at 14.45% haste with no buffs

and 203ilvl

[sterile moss]

I love aftershock so much on mists

use it on those soulcleavers, use it on those maze mobs

❤️

beat a ret paladin in overall

...not so ❤️ but nice in its own way

[limpid pawn]

what addon do you guys use to track maw rares?

[distant meadow]

Im really happy I went with aftershock instead of spear. I played around a lot with the spear and as soon as I got aftershock I immediately switched it up and made my choice lol

[thick helm]

Yes you're right, I was looking at the logs wrong. it looks like it prevents 100% of damage until its exhausted for both physical and magic. I removed my question so as not to confuse others. ty so much for the reply 🙂

[mighty valley]

Cool cool

[visual drift]

30% haste is cap right?

[undone sun]

not a cap

[waxen cradle]

Truly hilarious how often you are declined for keys based solely on being a Warrior tank

[woven trellis]

hi guys what your favorite selection of endurance and finesse conduits for M+

[pastel sleet]

trying to figure out correct group size for heroic slugefist progression. where can i find his health total at each group siize?

[errant oriole]

hey guys this probably was asked before but what is making prot wars the" bad tank" anyway?

[west kayak]

We are not bad. Just people believing in lists that dont mean squat.

[errant oriole]

thats what i figured tbh

i mean atm im rocking bear but tbh its kinda boring lol

[ripe kelp]

what comparisons are there for "the wall" "thunderlords" for venthyr prot warrior in mythic plus.. is the wall better for tyranical?

[vestal moat]

For mythic plus, Prot warrior utility is not 'bad' but not as good as meta classes. Prots are fine in raids.

[ionic fern]

The Wall is better on single target yes due to the constant increased Rage Gen coming from Shield Slam.
Thunderlords mostly shines when fighting 3+ enemies but falls behind on ST.
Neither will stop you from doing m+.

[chilly brook]

Just chested a 14 ToP while lagging at like 800ms

AMA

[ionic fern]

Were you happy with your 35 anima?

[ripe kelp]

I already have Thunderlords, i want to get some dps legendaries but if The Wall optimizes tanking better i rather get it, so trying to weigh my options

[chilly brook]

No

But I'll take my 10io increase and be happy

[ionic fern]

As i said - they will not hinder your progress in m+. Both of them work. There are people who prefer The Wall and there are people who like Thunderlords.

[chilly brook]

<Wall boi here

[ionic fern]

And all i do is Thunderlords. 🤷

[tight tree]

I have both ;P

[chilly brook]

I do as well just not my pick

TL just doesn't feel as good to me

It's probably the consistent rage gain tbh with The Wall

[ionic fern]

It's exactly the opposite for me. 😂

[ripe kelp]

i notice pika runs the wall, idk if it's cause he raid tanks or not though

[ionic fern]

He raids as a DPS.

Doesn't matter what he runs.

[chilly brook]

Your covenant wont be the downfall of you not being able to push keys

[ripe kelp]

I notice all 3 covenants are prominant with prot warrior so not afraid of that

[ionic fern]

You shouldn't be afraid of your Legendary choice either. 😂

[chilly brook]

Either are good

Really just preference

[ionic fern]

Just pick one which you like more and play with it.

You won't be hindering yourself regardless.

I would maybe suggest picking The Wall for De Other Side tho.

[chilly brook]

There might be an argument that TL is worse at higher keys but I mean that's a you decision

[ionic fern]

Since it's a ton of magic/non bockable damage.

[chilly brook]

Because theres so many different ways to approach it

Theres also the argument that more DR uptime from DS is better at higher keys

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ionic fern]

So it's just..
Constant Rage gen from The Wall vs Burst rage gen from Thunderlords.
And then you have to start thinking about..:
Will I use SW often enough to also benefit from the reduced CD on it? Etcetcetc

[chilly brook]

Yep

[ripe kelp]

My guess higher uptime on thunderlords fits in the kite meta better too cause of the 20% more dps too

[chilly brook]

Eh

I mean

That's a really 5head take that won't really matter

Tbh

Not saying that to be rude

Just that its overthinking it

[jagged pier]

would TL be less useful in higher keys as you spend more time kiting?

[ionic fern]

Same can be said for The Wall tho. 😂
Since you are not taking damage and you can't be casting SS.

[chilly brook]

^

[jagged pier]

i mean thats true as well i guess 🤷

[chilly brook]

At least you could use Tclap out of melee range

[ripe kelp]

you can thunderclap at a distance with crackling thunder though

[jagged pier]

but youd run BS

for better ktiing

[chilly brook]

Yea but you can still be out of melee range and clap

And hit the mobs

[ionic fern]

With the amount of casters in each dungeon it's hard to actually kite while also trying to be in TC rage.

😂

[chilly brook]

True

[jagged pier]

for once im actually looking ofrward to doing keys tonight

[ionic fern]

I'm just gonna roll Signet and piss off my healer this week.

[jagged pier]

i really dont like signet, I dont find it fun 🤷

[chilly brook]

I mean bladestorm is just actually meh when it procs

[ionic fern]

👀

[chilly brook]

Cuts off a significant portion of your rage gen

Probably a not super popular opinion

[ionic fern]

Sure, it can potentially, depends when you press Avatar.

It's only a 5s duration iirc

• recklessness also increases your rage gen for its duration.

[jagged pier]

i mean i havent got it i just used the torghast power i might get it at some point, but if it proc reck everytime id be so using it

[torpid cliff]

What is the popular opinion for Kyrain soulbinds? I see Pelagos mentioned as being the best, but Ive been looking at using Forgelite Prime Mikanikos as a tanking soulbind for M+.
The stunproc on 35%HP with 45s cd just seems really good, as well as the small knockback on vial.

[ionic fern]

I just use it from time to time cause i like spinning.

[jagged pier]

ive spun enough in pvp tbh

[ionic fern]

Why does it look good? o.o You have a AoE stun + a ST talented stun regardless. I'm not sure if Mikanikos stun DR's but i guess it does. The knockback is also pretty counterintuitive considering a lot of DPS'ers are currently doing DPS in a certain area..e.g wild spirits, Flame strike etcetc.

The only thing good about mika is the haste.

[jagged pier]

i would also say pelagos's reduce cdr of pot > than knockback

[torpid cliff]

Even if the stun DR's, it will still interrupt casts that may not have been interruptable with pummel. The knockback is not far enough so it will knock mobs out of AOE like flamestrike, its about half of the moonkin knockbacck

It just seems interesting, as pelagos only %vers was nerfed to % less magic dmg taken

[jagged pier]

and potion CDR and only soulbind that can have 2 endurance and 2 potency

[strong forum]

I mean if you wanna go Mikanikos do so, but I think he's trash

Auto consumption of potion or a knockback on potion

Yikes

[torpid cliff]

Was just wondering what the consenus was. And yeh, I dont take the autoconsumption

[strong forum]

Both options suck, cuz you often don't want the knockback but you want to potion

So you have to go out of your way to move out, use potion, and go back in, or knock back a mob/all mobs for no reason

[ionic fern]

Sure, IF there are any casts going on. Also knocking them prevents you from potentially casting SS for a clutch SB/IP etc.

It's just not optimal compared to other options. 🤷
The extra magic DR from Pelagos is tiny jeah but there's also the mastery buff you get + reduced CD on phial.

But as Nome said..if you want to pick Mika, take him.

[twilit siren]

best combo for M+ and CN raid?

[nimble drift]

So a few of my friends have been getting recruited to mythic guilds based on their parses. I'm thinking I may just start pugging heroic bosses and parse as hard as I can, let the healers keep me up

I feel like I prioritize extra rage on ignore pain just to dump the rage, keeping up SB ofc. I feel like I should start using IP as just an active mitigation for big non-melee hits I know are coming and spam revenge more

Like if I'm not getting picked up because of parses then that's depressing.

[jagged pier]

parsing wont get u into a guild as a tank

and inviting people purely based on parsing is really not a good idea from guilds

some fights i dont pass

[cold belfry]

yay I did it all 15s done as prot warrior

[jagged pier]

because im doing some else

[nimble drift]

I mean

Tank in my guild

That I tank with

Told me hes been approached by 3 guilds that are pushing mythic because of his parses

And because hes a DH

[jagged pier]

you can get rid of the kit trinket, and i dont know if thats decanter or vintage trinket i ther

[nimble drift]

Same with our top healrr

[twilit siren]

Vintage trinket

[jagged pier]

all i was saying is parsing is a good base point but any one can parse high if they dont do mechanics

[jagged pier]

the herald and scale or vintage for both

[twilit siren]

thank you. And when Sun king's trinket droped I will replace it with vintage or scale?

[ionic fern]

See, you'd THINK that, right?
The thing is that most guilds don't know what to look for in tank logs. So they just default into the "99 parses = good!!"

I've had this a ton as well.

[jagged pier]

i wont replace ither for it

[nimble drift]

Yeah that's why fuck spamming ignore pain with my free rage. I'll just spam revenge in my pugs and complain about healing

[jagged pier]

yes i know, but these guilds that do this are looking at parses and nothing else ive seen it, and the guild is actually really bad because they just get people that can parse and not do mechanics

[nimble drift]

I'm #12 prot on my server rn for heroic CN, wanna get to top 5 at least. So ima need to start cheesing

[ionic fern]

Yeah, ofc.

[jagged pier]

like back in wod when i applied for my guild they, were like you do a lot of damage as tank but we also see that you can actually do stuff correctly as well as damage

[ionic fern]

The majority of the guilds are not like that tho.

Unfortunately.

[jagged pier]

if you really want to find a guild prince you should apply and actually take it seriously

find a guild thats at a progress u want

dont be afraid to move server etc

[nimble drift]

I want a guild that's pushing mythic

[jagged pier]

send them logs, even a video of you playing

like you should go and find a guild it shows you want to push not them come to you

[nimble drift]

I xfer to my current server for a 9/10 guild 3 weeks ago because they told me they were getting 10/10 and about to push mythic and needed a good tank

Literally applied and shit

I xfer with aotc, they fail to kill sire, raid dies the next week

Now I'm trapped on a server in a guild that I dont like that doesnt have plans to raid

[jagged pier]

i mean did you research the guild before going there? or did you just join on what they said?

[nimble drift]

They are the #1 rated rbg guild on the server and they told me that they nearly 1 shot every boss and haven't attempted sire

So I transferred and now I'm fucked

[jagged pier]

so you didnt look at logs?

and RBGS mean nothing to raiding

[nimble drift]

You dont understand, they did great. Their ilvl is all very high and we 1 shot almost every boss

But when they hit the sire roadblock the raid collapsed

And my co-tank on the guild is leaving because hes been approached by a mythic raid team

And I'm here like "wow I got screwed"

[jagged pier]

yes you did but it happens, but in general 'good' mythic guilds dont generally approach players, unless its like the top 5 where they try and poach off each other, like we make a thing of tracking guilds that try and poacj members and 99% of the time they dont even clear 1 boss on mythic

[strong forum]

Poaching tanks

Now that's a thing I've never seen

[nimble drift]

Not even sure where to begin finding a new guild that is pushing mythic and needs a tank

[jagged pier]

its called wowprogress

[nimble drift]

Yeah so I can see guilds, how do I know which is recruiting tanks tho

Just apply to the guilds in the range I wanna be?

[sweet summit]

Pmuch

[jagged pier]

well if u find a guild at the progress you want

[undone jacinth]

finding guilds that need tanks is rough, the guild shouldn’t really be raiding if they don’t have a tank lol

[jagged pier]

you can click the guild and usually in the profile it will say if they are recuriting or not

[undone jacinth]

every guild I’ve joined has been as dps then I just move to tank when they see I’m better

[jagged pier]

but you have to be willing to play dps as tank spots are rarer than gold

and then move in when a tank leaves that what i did

i had great dps tank logs, so i came is as dps did well, tank left

i got asked to tank

[nimble drift]

Hmm

[jagged pier]

also being a dps is dog easy as everyone wants to pass you just take up all the mechanics people dont want to do so in the eyes of the raid leader etc you are a reliable player

then your regarded better than every other dps cause u dont mind doing mechanics

[nimble drift]

Alright I guess I'll do that. Look for a raid team, potentially join as dps even tho kyrian arms is poo, and then do mechanics till a tank steps down

[sweet summit]

But that means bad logs and everyone knows big number good

[jagged pier]

u can still purple log while doing mechanics

[nimble drift]

As an arms kyrian?

[jagged pier]

i dunno maybe

but its was more of a general thing

not specific to now

[sweet summit]

Tbh there are not a lot of that, seeds on xymox/soaks on inerva

Uhh clicking on sunking?

Dunking on slg?

[jagged pier]

there are slightly more on mythic sinseeker soaks with SR

[sweet summit]

Oh we just immune soak them

[jagged pier]

well yer you can do that

but SR works too

[sweet summit]

But you still take initial hit so its not great

[jagged pier]

can help bounce taunt the mob on final phase council

[sweet summit]

For the way we do it

[jagged pier]

ive been told i have to do the kiting so yay no log for me

and i have to build leapers

-.-

[sweet summit]

Oof

[jagged pier]

i even said isnt there another way to do it and they said yes but we arent going to try it -.-

[nimble drift]

What does dd mean

[sweet summit]

Damage dealer

[nimble drift]

Oh

[sweet summit]

So any dps spec

[jagged pier]

i know you want to push mythic, but have you got a CE before? @nimble drift

[nimble drift]

Bope

Nope

[jagged pier]

right so its unlikely you will get into a CE guild

[nimble drift]

I pugged the last tier of legion and got aotc and have 0 experience apart from that

[jagged pier]

u need to start with guilds that get half way through

anf work you way up

[nimble drift]

Well I mean

Bro I'm fine joining a 3/10 mythic guild

Its better than doing 8hours of pugs every week on sire

[jagged pier]

exactly look for thos guilds get experience in thos fights get logs etc

[nimble drift]

Also, I found it!!!!

[jagged pier]

then apply to a guild that does 5/10

i mean they are looking for evey tank

[nimble drift]

Yeah they just want a tank

Aotc 216 prot right here baby

Get me in

[trim bay]

Lol

At least your an glass is half full sort of guy

[strong forum]

Glass always empty

Nothing is real

[fringe marten]

Does Honey Potpie still work; and/or Stack on Tclap slow?

[celest walrus]

Hey all. Just wondering how easy you think Prot Warrior would be to pick up for a relative newbie to tanking?

Looking to primarily do m+

[sweet summit]

Highest slow wins

Slows dont stack like that

[fringe marten]

Yeah I just ran around and tested it quick, honey potpie and the 30% Tclap were identical.

so sad..

Yeah that would be OP..There's no way they would allow huge packs of mobs to be slowed like 75%; I mean..then you could just kite a giant pack of mobs around somewhere like? Tol Dagor...and just easily kill giant packs of trash out in the open..

..or it would be ridiculous for the major niche of the class and spec that could do that, would just be nerfed into dust, so everyone who played it would just have to become a 1 minute combust-bot.

Blizzard would? never do something like that I don't think.

[ionic fern]

👀
Diddn't warlocks have a Legendary in Legion that slowed enemies by a ton? That was fun. Just pull half the room and run around with warlock perma slow.

[echo egret]

How do you deal with the Tenderize/Mutilate mobs in NW on high keys fortified ? Ask DPS to focus them and leap away ?

[strong forum]

Yeh they have that leggo back

[strong forum]

On high tenderize stacks peace the fuck out until you can reset it, or use CDs to just live

[echo egret]

myeah

[ionic fern]

If one of your healers/DPS'ers has a taunt they can also run to the opposite side of you and taunt it so you can drop your stacks and taunt back.

[echo egret]

do hunters still have a taunt ?

[ionic fern]

I think hunter pets do. Not sure tho.

[gaunt dawn]

Ask a melee (not rogue, shaman), holy paladin, druid, hunter, warlock to taunt when your debuff is on less than 2s

as that's when the re-cast is

just for tenderize tho

no need to do that for mutilate

you should have something for each of em

[strong forum]

new tech acquired

[fringe marten]

Since I got mythic shoulders from raid; I finally have a decent gear set to try out my thunderstompers.. ? I dunno..I've been using the wall so long it feels odd; I almost feel rage starved. I know it's not a giant difference but that extra bit on every shield slam created a nicer synergy when being really low on rage and just that 1 shield slam was b asically enough for a shield block.

and the full 4 mins on shield wall feels pretty dank..

I know people love to scoff at "feelycraft" but honestly I put a lot of stock in how the feedback of my character feels when playing; regardless of what is mathematically doing more damage. I think I may have just gotten too used to how the wall feels; and when not using it..it just feels 'off'.

Side topic: On the assumption we will be able to use 2 legendaries...is the Wall/Tlord going to be the combo we shoot for?

I would assume as much.

[sweet summit]

Ya probably

But thats at least a patch or two down the line

[fringe marten]

If they're competing for the "one best one" we can use now. I'd have to imagine unless they change or introduce new legendaries that once/if we can use 2..those wouldn't be the two.

I would assume Tier 2.

[undone jacinth]

there will be new Legos

[fringe marten]

This is what's gonna' suck; what's the other slot for the wall? cloak?

[zenith monolith]

Is anyone else finding they have nothing to press when using Devestator during certain points ?

[undone jacinth]

and at least one of them is going to be broken

[sweet summit]

Cloak yeah

Why?

[sweet summit]

Thats normal

[fringe marten]

Nox; you can occassionally get to that point where you're choice is to deplete your rage pool to dump like 1 revenge, or hold it for an IP or upcoming block..it's a rare window though.

[zenith monolith]

finding it hard to get used to. So just do nothing u reckon ?

[sweet summit]

Just wait yeah

Or spam SS in hopes of s reset

[zenith monolith]

I always get the urge to press Revenge or IP

[undone jacinth]

most tanks have some downtime built in where there’s nothing ultra meaningful to cast

they do it so we can focus on other stuff

[sweet summit]

Lowkey miss abc

😔

[zenith monolith]

yeah I see, just used to spamming stuff like mad

[fringe marten]

As tempting as it is, I've gotten to the point where I won't dump my last bit of rage for a revenge (in Keys). Oddly enough raid tanking feels ? just easy compared to keys atm.

[zenith monolith]

yeah I need to do that too

[undone jacinth]

raid tanking is always easier

always will be

because it’s fixed

[zenith monolith]

raid tanking is predictable ye

and always the same

[fringe marten]

we're working on 4th and 5th bosses in mythic..and I'm still going "ehh? full offensive talents? sure why not" In keys is when I care about my rage spent LOL

Yes predictable and for warriors tanking 1 tough mob is always been our strongest suit.

[zenith monolith]

yeah

[fringe marten]

but it's wild how much easier mythic raiding feels than dipping into the mid teens in keys; on ANY week honestly.

[zenith monolith]

we are working on Destroyer at the mo

[fringe marten]

I got his shoulders and legs tonight

last..night ..LOL

[zenith monolith]

oh nice, gz

i want them

[fringe marten]

the paladin who got the legs, literally took some 226's from his vault this tuesday.

so he put them up for loot council, and I was the only bidder

[zenith monolith]

where do you use your reflect there btw ?

for balls or expunge

[fringe marten]

all orb..every orb..

[zenith monolith]

ye

fair

[fringe marten]

I ran of course...Shield wall conduit, Wall legendary, and Anger mans~

as you know; the only scary part of the fight is the spread for expunge

[zenith monolith]

oh u running anger

lol I was just going to ask

[fringe marten]

and I had a shield wall up for like...half of them? (if I was the active tank)

[zenith monolith]

why is that so bad???

got oneshot a few times

[fringe marten]

because your healers are spreading out

any raid fight where raid movement happens; that's the scary time for tanks.

Denathrius...hands of destruction, going through mirrors...everyone is running, no one is healing you

expunge..everyone is spreading, no one is healing you

that's when you get to see how much damage hs' really putting on you through autos and the expunge damage...which is a lot.

So that's when you're using your cd's.