protection

[spark mortar]

subcreation got us ranked as FREAKING F this week, wtf.

[narrow sparrow]

subcreation is pretty messed up usually until at least the middle of the week

[spark mortar]

Now I have to hear it all day long from the other tanks till they get it fixed.

[narrow sparrow]

granted I guess there's 800 runs in there already...

[strong forum]

I felt pretty A tier this week idk

[spark mortar]

Right?

[undone jacinth]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/

in b?

a even

[spark mortar]

That's last week.

[undone jacinth]

I dont have the option to update

to reset

and judging performance on half a days data on reset day is obviously dumb

[strong forum]

Well lmao

It's NA only data for now

[spark mortar]

lol - truth

[strong forum]

For 5 hrs of data

[fallow mortar]

Thats a lot of data 👀

[narrow sparrow]

so uh

[strong forum]

I didn't play yet, so it's faulty data

[spark mortar]

@strong forum will save us

[narrow sparrow]

if you look at the 'detailed data' n=16 for warriors

[chilly brook]

This is a pretty decent week tho

[narrow sparrow]

16 total warriors, highest is a +16

[strong forum]

Ye it's push week

[spark mortar]

N=16! lol that's not even statistically significant

[chilly brook]

Fort, spiteful, volcanic

Ez pz

[narrow sparrow]

compared to like 400 demonhunters

[spark mortar]

That's ez money for us this week.

[spiral wave]

how little is to little mastery?

[undone jacinth]

no value is relevant

secondaries that aren't haste aren't worth worrying about

even haste is manageable

[chilly brook]

Literally doesnt matter

Just use what you got

[fallow mortar]

Fort is the hardest affix of this week 🤣

[strong forum]

Having -100 mastery

That's too little mastery

[spiral wave]

lol

[strong forum]

Hope this helps

👍

Na legit, just equip highest ilvl

And youre good to go

[spiral wave]

almost at 20% from doing that lol

[strong forum]

Happens

🤷‍♂️

[spiral wave]

pretty much

[strong forum]

I was at 9% crit

Man that felt bad...

Like, if I had full haste crit gear bruuh. I'd actually slap so hard

[spiral wave]

11% crit all ive gotten is haste/vers

[fallow mortar]

Feels bad being at 36% mastery and 8% haste.... Those were dark times

[chilly brook]

You also get big mastery gains passively by being NF/Kyrian anyways

[fallow mortar]

Oh from soulbinds?

[undone jacinth]

ye

I am 35 mastery 20 haste

very big

[viral axle]

where can i find a list of BiS trinkets? i have a choice between splintered heart 213 and inscrutable quantum device 213 and not sure which to go for

[undone jacinth]

iqd isnt very good

heart is good if you do any challenging content

iqd gets some use if you just wanna slap some mobs in easy content

[rancid ember]

Heart everytime imo. You'll get much better consistent use out of it.

IQD is just weird and doesn't always work how you want it to.

[chilly brook]

I mean IQD can

And there are weakauras that will make sure it does

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[undone jacinth]

not really

if you're on a boss fight

you're just not gonna get what you want

unless your healers are just magically not using mana etc

[chilly brook]

Just have paladins

[undone jacinth]

need as many shamans as possible

so they can ankh when they die to every mechanic

[chilly brook]

Truth

[tropic sorrel]

dear lord, 216 ilvl, trinkets bis, 25% haste and 10% versa, and cant stay alive on 15 for fortify trash

[echo egret]

Question : what are the Darkmoon trinkets worth for us ? They're cheap here and I'm still staring at my stupid 2x184 trinkets that no drop wants to replace...

[tropic sorrel]

so sad tanking on shadowlands

[chilly brook]

If you cant stay alive on a 15 on trash

Either you're messing up

Your healer is bad

Or your group just let you die

[fierce tendon]

Also depends on the type of trash, some mechanics are less known than others

Like if youre face tanking gargons from halls

[chilly brook]

Which is a you messing up issue

[fierce tendon]

Tru

[tropic sorrel]

usually droods or discs cant keep me alive, idk if im really bad or their haha

and i really need help from dps to kite

[silent grove]

i keep dying to the sub boss on NW in normals

so dont feel bad m8

[tropic sorrel]

when a have a good boomkin or hunter its more easy

[sterile moss]

it's a sad day when overwhelming power crystal is the best option I have in the vault 😦

[untold moth]

how hard we think the ol alt will melt in H nathria, up to sludge anyway

[severe jackal]

I'm having trouble finding it anywhere, but how does Weapon DPS affect Prot warrior attack power now?

[steady spruce]

Another mists, another wipe at last boss

omg

i'll never get that mount lol

[undone jacinth]

are you priding and lusting?

[steady spruce]

yes

[undone jacinth]

hm

feel like that's pretty easy mode on fort

[limpid pawn]

what level is it

[steady spruce]

+15/+16

[undone jacinth]

oh wait you are eu arent you

[steady spruce]

i don't understand

dps is kinda low i guess

[undone jacinth]

dps doesnt really matter

its just a mechanics fight

[steady spruce]

i am EU indeed

reset night

worst players

fucking tilting

[limpid pawn]

tyrannical still?

[steady spruce]

y

Someone offered me a 750 k boost ahaha

[tardy parcel]

you got this tomorrow bruv

[steady spruce]

never !

[undone jacinth]

its actually a rough week for mists

I would just wait til reset

[steady spruce]

i know

but

i want my mount tonight for some reason

• i'd be first prot war on the server wich doesn't mean shit cause little serv

[limpid pawn]

do you stream

[undone jacinth]

then go for it

just tell ppl to dodge stuff xd

[steady spruce]

@limpid pawn no why? ^^

[limpid pawn]

just cuz i wanna see

[steady spruce]

i gave up i'm gonna do my +15 top hoping i get a mist lol

[undone jacinth]

so you gonna trust people on top last boss instead of mists? 😛

[serene urchin]

So, I'm under the impression that dps should be cc'ing/kiting the spitefuls and I should be chain pulling as usual, but only as fast as they can keep up and still kite their adds. The question I have is that I have had a couple of groups ask me what I was doing and why I wasn't help kill the adds or wait to pull (basically slow down) but really feel we're running out of time more than anything. Can I get a sanity check?

[deft bridge]

cc is for losers help kill with your 2k dps

yes you are sane

[lofty widget]

i guess you can help with hamstring but really they should be able to kite them on their own

[deft bridge]

dps will be like "TTAANKNKK"" if you dont superkite after they dont interrupt a cast but will not kite to save their lives

[obsidian plover]

What are people’s thoughts on Thunderlord’s and The Wall legendaries (if you have both/ tried both)?

Is there any time where one shines above the other? Does the wall still work wonders in Mythic+ in comparison to Thunderlord’s?

[fervent axle]

It's preference, thunderlord sims better but some people like the wall for feel better

[deft bridge]

The wall is the most amazing of things

[serene urchin]

Thanks for that! 🙂

[lofty widget]

you're generally not pressing SW on cd so imo you get more value from thunderlords, but it is really just personal preference

[deft bridge]

it works for both raids and m+ so you can do that first if you lack the resses

[obsidian plover]

Does it still run really nice in M+?

[tardy parcel]

Wall kicks ass on certain dungeons on Tyrannical weeks

[obsidian plover]

ah fairs

[mighty valley]

fortified too, you can have SW up for more bad packs

[obsidian plover]

I like the concept of the wall more

[fervent axle]

I made both and swap em for how I feel about the dungeon

[obsidian plover]

Do you run Punish or Devastator with the wall?

[mighty valley]

Dev

[lofty widget]

always devastator

[obsidian plover]

Good

Checking am not monging out

[tardy parcel]

Very true. DoS in particular benefits a lot from Wall throughout imo

[deft bridge]

dev is so much easier

[obsidian plover]

Last question for now. I am really enjoying Dragon’s Roar

And i inting by taking it over booming?

[lofty widget]

DR is bad after it got target capped

[obsidian plover]

Ah fairs fairs

[lofty widget]

always run booming

[ocean yoke]

it wont be as good in anything that isnt single target

[obsidian plover]

If running booming then, wouldn’t Thunderlord’s almost always be better?

Or is it still close between the Wall and Thunderlord’s?

[deft bridge]

booming voice is just better all around

even with the wall

they serve 2 different purposes imo

[mighty valley]

it's more that TL's would not be that good without BV haha

[lofty widget]

and that is why i run TL over wall, but they are close regardless

[mighty valley]

people end up picking Wall because it and TL are debatable in Mythic+, but Wall is just clearly better for raid, so if you're only getting one, might as well be Wall

[obsidian plover]

Thank y’all

[ocean yoke]

i like the feel of wall more, you can be way more liberal with shield walls. the extra rage is nice too

especially with devastator for more procs of it

[undone jacinth]

it's definitely the nicer playstyle

shield slam = revenge

[deft bridge]

and revenge = shield slam

[chilly brook]

Well

This is a not fun decision

[deft bridge]

gz

[lofty widget]

is that weapon or shield

[chilly brook]

Weapon

[deft bridge]

is stone legion worth it if you don't have other 4 people using it tho?

[chilly brook]

91 vers is like a flat 2% buff to damage or something

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy parcel]

idk man

the stone legion is goooood...

[mighty valley]

i'd probably take stone legion unless your weapon is real stinky... their are other weapons out there

[lofty widget]

IF youre raiding any time soon you could always wait and see if one ofthose two drops, and then pick the other from vault

[steady spruce]

héhé

[lofty widget]

best of luck my dude!

[steady spruce]

can't wait to see how we're gonna fail this

[tame valley]

is Fueled by violence good to use now with
Uneerving Focus that we got our second potency slot of pelagos in m+

[lofty widget]

the healing is very underwhelming, youre probably better off with stalwart

[vestal moat]

How valuable is leech for us ? ?

[lofty widget]

it's fine, but dont drop ilvl for it

[steady spruce]

I'm fucking doomed

I finally got my own Mists Key

A A-tier team with 1K5 rio dps

and now

The EU server is getting DDOS or something

we're all lagging

[shut summit]

[steady spruce]

shouldn't have say that

[spiral wave]

What's best weapon chant?

[steady spruce]

celestial guidance

[fallow mortar]

[heavy sail]

(It’s lightless force)

Sinful revelation may sim better just because of the nature of being single target though

[fallow mortar]

Did you mean Celestial guidance?

[heavy sail]

No, I’m pretty sure lightless force is BIS.

[fallow mortar]

I meant for sinful revelation

[heavy sail]

Oh, no.

[fallow mortar]

Cause... I don't think anyone takes that XD

[heavy sail]

Yeah nobody does

[fallow mortar]

Its always between CG and LF

[heavy sail]

Right

[spiral wave]

whats the determining factor between the two?

[heavy sail]

I think on patchwerk sim specifically though, sinful is bet.

Best*

Between CG and LF?

[spiral wave]

yeah

[heavy sail]

The LF proc just represents a more meaningful DPS increase than 5% mainstat

It’s not that strength is terrible

But uh

It’s terrible

[fallow mortar]

CG Sims higher than LF for me so I normally go with CG

[barren socket]

can you get weapon/shield from the timewalking cache?

[heavy sail]

Is it nathria loot?

Or TW loot?

I haven’t checked

If it’s a cache of nathria loot then I would guess probably not, but I’m not 100% either way.

[nimble drift]

Okay so I got the new pelagos socket spot

what are we running

[fallow mortar]

normally fridges

[nimble drift]

3 endurance 1 potency? 2 potency 2 endurance?

[fallow mortar]

you prob want at least 2 endurance, 1 potency and the other is up to what ever you want

[nimble drift]

im going finesse and ralling cry for raid

[astral crystal]

ya that's what i took too

our dmg conduits are total shit

save for piercing

[neat dirge]

hey can some1 help me out?

any1 awake?

on Denathrius, after hand of destruction (i usually position him like inside the mirror almost) he always hits me for a FAT hit

like when we are going through the mirror

like i always drop low

[astral crystal]

he'll always get a back hit on you

kind of unfortunate

[neat dirge]

Really?

[astral crystal]

yep

inevitable is big memes

use your CDs

[neat dirge]

there absoulutly no way i can make him to hit my front?

[astral crystal]

they should be up when you get to third phase anyway

[neat dirge]

i always do

honestly

[lament axle]

im new to tanking and prot, when i lose aggro during a pull in dungeon and have no rage and taunt is already used, how do i regain aggro?

[mighty valley]

Use your long cooldown aoe taunt, or just keep doing your rotation and you should catch up... hopefully the dps lives

This is all a lot easier if your dps is prioritizing the same target as you

[open monolith]

@lament axle use intervene on whoever took aggro to absorb all the hits. Use stormbolt on the mob you lost aggro on.

[lament axle]

ok i will try those. thanks for the tips!

[woven pecan]

has blizz said anything about signet of tormented kings not working with ravager?

[cinder nova]

http://prntscr.com/x97zrw

OR

http://prntscr.com/x980vm

Losing 6 STR for slightly more secondaries.

[deft bridge]

my guild wants me to roll a monk because im gonna get deleted by magic dmg in mythic ;-;

[cinder nova]

Not sure if worth.

[deft bridge]

how do i argue against it? or are they right?

[cinder nova]

Warrior literally WF'd

If you're gonna get ripped by magic, you're either playing wrong, or your healers are.

[cinder nova]

@strong forum halp

[astral crystal]

being a monk wont stop you from getting deleted by magic dmg

and remind them that healers also learn fights, not just about how good you are at surviving

[deft bridge]

what is the toolkit against magic dmg? just to argue?

[cinder nova]

SR, LS, IP, Wall.

Call for externals.

I call for an external almost every 2stack of darkvein to smooth damage

Because it's worth more to lower the spikes

And also because my healers aren't using them and I have a DH cotank

So

He has 3 death saves

Like... it's not hard. CN doesn't have as much magic as NH.

And we could do that.

Not... perfect analogy, but we got our asses kicked even with the power we had then.

[deft bridge]

amazing

[unkempt fox]

Last stand mentioned in toolkit against magic dmg made me giggle

[deft bridge]

hp is hp

[cinder nova]

If you die to magic damage and you had LS off CD

You're doing it wrong.

Really you shouldn't be dying with CDs up most of the time.

[unkempt fox]

The thing is it's not binary either you're alive or dead is all that matters

[cinder nova]

Right, but if you're dead and you have LS/Wall, etc still on CD either you got blown away by a raid failure, or you're just holding coolies for some stupid reason.

LS is absolutely useful vs. magic damage, it's just the best tool for the job.

However, if all you got is a rock to hammer a nail in, better use that rock.

[vocal bison]

On point, we’ll done.

[unkempt fox]

If your raid group have other monk asking for reroll is questionable @deft bridge

[deft bridge]

what if they dont 🤔

[torpid granite]

ARE YALL USING ls ON CD WITH BOLSTER?

caps

[astral crystal]

no

you should use it frequently but not on cd

[cinder nova]

If you're trying to DPS you can LS on CD with um... UF

But I wouldn't if you don't have the fight on farm

[torpid granite]

i just went with the guild on normals with my bear and almost fell asleep

i hit thrash something like 1200 times

so im thinking of eiether continueing on my DK or war

[cloud gorge]

What do you guys think about the wall vs TL? I can make either but not sure which I want to make... I mostly do M+

I see prot wars in M+ using both. I can see the utility of both... just not sure what everyones thoughts are on which they prefer

[modern brook]

you ever go to alt night and see a prot war and look at the talents and just be like

uhhhh

[upbeat crypt]

if i tank as venthyr will i be in trouble? in like 15s

[cloud gorge]

For context I am a 1400 IO tank on my main but wanted to have a warrior rolled up because I enjoy them

[modern brook]

its truely preference

If you only want to go one and dont intend to raid i say go TLords

but honestly both are worth having

[cloud gorge]

Ill eventually craft both

[acoustic stratus]

i just did a 14 sd and could not hold threat for shit

[cloud gorge]

Guess Im just trying to figure out which to do first lol

My group is willing to run me through some keys to get geared up some... just don't want to fall over dead

[modern brook]

Do you have/ want to run the endurance conduit that reduces wall CD?

[cloud gorge]

I don't have any of the defensive conduits yet

[modern brook]

Wall's benefit in m+ is having like ~1min cd on sw

combined with AM and that conduit

Tlords is just "more shouts" which is nutty on its own

again id say start tlords but its super preference based

[cloud gorge]

Sure... and I like the idea of having shout for every pack

[upbeat crypt]

its more than every pack

[cloud gorge]

I imagine if it reduces that much

then sure it is

[modern brook]

Tlords gives you ~1.5-2 demo shouts depending on the pulls

per pack

wall gives you ~.75 casts of SW per pull, again depending on the pull

[cinder nova]

I got a 210 w/ 53 STR and a socket with +7 STR or a 213 without a socket and only 54 STR.

210 has worse itemization, though.

I'm kinda thinking it's not an up?

[modern brook]

wrong

unless its a ring

[cinder nova]

You're saying losing 6 STR for +2 armor and +2 secondaries is better? 🤔

Something tells me that's... not true.

[deft bridge]

sim it

[sand obsidian]

best slot for the Wall legendary?

[cinder nova]

Shoulder.

Also yeah - the 213 isn't an up.

[modern brook]

for damage.

[versed bough]

I dont demo shout when in m+ when the pull is halfway dead

saves me for the next pull

[chilly brook]

If the pull has half health it still has half a lifes worth of damage to deal

There's honestly no point in holding demo unless the pack is basically dead

[lime trail]

Lemme see if I have this right: Wall for Tyrannical week, Thunderlord or Mirror for Fort week depending on how caster-heavy the dungeon is?

[fallow mortar]

it does not matter. It is simply a matter of preference

[solemn magnet]

I don't have logs, but I consistently get slapped during this pull in DoS. Any general tips how yall handle it?

[sweet summit]

Get aggro and kite

[silk edge]

cd on pull, stuns, kicks and ultimatly kite yea

[sweet summit]

You will die if you try to facetank that for a long time

[chilly brook]

Skip that pack and come back for your CDs to come back up

Use your CDs

Then externals

Then get out

[trim bay]

blame the healer

[solemn magnet]

I usually use CDs on the first big pack at the bottom of the stairs, so go left (east on the map) and get the Skeleton + Dino, then urn the other pack on that platform then go back to Hopefully not get deleted?

[ionic fern]

De Other Side packs in general are pretty horrible around the circle and require a cordinated group or a lot of kiting to handle properly. In a PuG it's best to just kite them.

[unkempt fox]

hey guys how good is hakkar trink for prot

got 226 haste vers belt and 226 hakkar in my vault 😩

[jagged pier]

its like the best trinket

I would take it

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys, i have a choice of a 216 weapon, or 220 shield in my vault. Presently my 1h is a 200, and my shield is 190. Do i go for the biggest ilvl upgrade, or take the 1h? The other tank in my raid team is a prot pally and at times just overaggros me, which would aid me the most? 🙂

[ionic fern]

100% take Hakkar.

[sweet summit]

Take the shield imo @sick sentinel

[ionic fern]

^

And 100% shield.

😂

[ionic fern]

Over aggroing is most likely down to your gameplay. Analyzing logs would help with it.

[sweet summit]

Prot pally damage is also kinda dumb no?

[sick sentinel]

done that, i rank high in every parse

Always over 80, and generally between 90 - 95

[ionic fern]

And the paladin?

What's the DPS difference?

[sick sentinel]

alot more geared

😄

[ionic fern]

Again..hard to help without logs.

[sick sentinel]

so does shield ilvl increase my SS dam?

[sweet summit]

No

[ionic fern]

It increases your survivability.

Considering blocking is our main mitigation having a high ilvl shield is crucial.

[sick sentinel]

ok thanks, will go with shield, im not worried about my rotation etc, just a bit more info on which would be of more use 👍

[ionic fern]

Provide us logs then and i can give you more information.

😒

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern thanks for the info

[jagged pier]

good day today 1800 last night and 226 wep in vault things are finally looking up

[ionic fern]

Can't wait to get home and be dissapointed.

[sweet summit]

Same

Only did 4 dungeons last week

Not looking too good

😔

[safe kelp]

what is priority stat for prot guys?

[sweet summit]

Ilvl>>>haste>vers>=crit>mast defensively
Sim for dps

[young glen]

Time for the disappointment

Hooray

[ionic fern]

Were you dissapointed?

[young glen]

It could have been worse

No trinkets or shield, but decent ilvl upgrade on gauntlets

[nimble drift]

So for m+ as dps, what do you think could do better as kyrian. Fury or arms

[twilit siren]

I have an option on sanguine vintage 220 ilvl at vault. My trinkets now are 220 stone legion and blood scale 203. What can I do?

[jagged pier]

vintage is really good

probably better than the scale at that ilvl

but what else do u have n the vault?

[twilit siren]

I’m between the belt with haste mastery 213 and the trinket. All the others are not better than mine

I have the 200ilvl belt now. And vault is giving the heroic one

[jagged pier]

personally i would take the trinket

but thats because i know how good it is as i have one

as i have yet to see a scale

[twilit siren]

Other options are 223ilvl legs and boots. Legs with mastery-crit. I’m wearing 200ilvl haste vers

[jagged pier]

stats really dont matter

ilvl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else

so i would take the legs

or the trinket

you dont drop ilvl for stats

unless its a trinket or rings

and even then its only like 10-13 ilvls

so 23 ilvl upgrade is huge

[twilit siren]

Thanks for the info. I’ll think about these 2 options. I’ll wait to clear CN heroic today

The other tank already have the trinket

[young glen]

Sanguine is really good on progress imho

[jagged pier]

i mean u cant get 223 legs from hc CN tho

[young glen]

Really started to like this trinket despite earlier concerns 😄

[jagged pier]

i liked it from the moment i got it

[twilit siren]

I took the legs. At least my haste is high at 23% for now

[sweet summit]

Fury is a bit better in m+

[ionic fern]

Wait, really

?

I thought Arms was.

👀

[jagged pier]

nah fury scales stupidly with prideful buff

[ionic fern]

Damn, then i really need to learn Fury more.

Gotta get that overall over 3k.

😂

[jagged pier]

furys really nice, pretty ez i played it last tier

just need to count to 2

and its all good

[ionic fern]

For the WW buff?

[jagged pier]

yer

apart from that its pretty much press what lights up

or it used to be anyway

[ionic fern]

Then idk why my DPS is so poor.

[strong forum]

Condemn cleave is what makes fury better in m+

[jagged pier]

i guess also that

[strong forum]

Condemn 5 targets at once sniping them

24/7

But ST is still sad

[sweet summit]

Also cds for every single pull

[jagged pier]

not that bad 5.6k on sludgefist mythic

[ionic fern]

Well, Kyrian Fury.

😦

[sweet summit]

Sludge

Is just

Signet reck bs

[jagged pier]

i mean locks are doing like 9k

[sweet summit]

On pillars

[jagged pier]

but still

[sweet summit]

Idk if that counts

[strong forum]

Prot pally is doing 5k

On sludge

:)

[sweet summit]

Both fury and arms is dogshit in the raid

Sadge

[jagged pier]

isnt that with PI's tho?

[strong forum]

No clue

[jagged pier]

top prot paly that only just did 5k dps got 3 PIs

in the fight

[eager phoenix]

parsing is just reduced to who got the PIs

[ionic fern]

Better than the corruption RNG fest.

😂

[eager phoenix]

sure

[warm thunder]

Is kyrian fury bad?

[sweet summit]

No but its not the best either

[warm thunder]

Well, I need to deal with it

[sweet summit]

Its 3rd best on st and 2nd best on aoe

[warm thunder]

Only 3rd in st

[sweet summit]

Venthyr and nightfae is better on st

And nightfae is better in aoe

[warm thunder]

Make sense

And Kyrian the best for prot

[sweet summit]

Same boat as fury, if youre looking at pure dps

[warm thunder]

Well, when it comes to prot it's better to look for utilities

[twilit siren]

What talents are you using for m+ high keys

[jagged pier]

deva/BV/RAV/Bolster

[dense umbra]

Hi - what does inscrutable quantum device tend to give for prot ? I have it in vault from my Fury spec . Other trinkets available are macabre sheet music and memory of past sins

[twilit siren]

With legend thunderlord?

[jagged pier]

gives the same as for fury all depends on when u trigger the trinket

[jagged pier]

i run the wall

[dense umbra]

Hmm ok will see wowhead comments for types of proc

[strong forum]

It can proc everything it can always proc

[dense umbra]

hmm, secondary stat is nice - don’t care much for the other uses

[blazing condor]

yall think its smarter to take a +20 ilvl upgrade with haste/vers or +30 ilvl upgrade just for the stats

[jagged pier]

30

[blazing condor]

i can either get a 220 ring with haste/vers or a 213 glove

[strong forum]

Uuuh...

[blazing condor]

replacing a 200 ring and a 184 glove

[strong forum]

Gloves then

Mainstat > everything

[blazing condor]

yeah thats what im thinking too

but that 220 ring be lookin clean doe 👀

[strong forum]

Assuming you don't have easy access to 213 gear tho

But this sounds like heroic raid cache

[blazing condor]

its a m7 one

kinda just started out with SL so still doing lower stuff

im also thinking its way easier to get m7 gear than the 220 ring

or then again the vault ilvl is always higher than the corresponding mythic level

fug

[strong forum]

You can't get 213+ from m+ outside of weekly vault

[undone jacinth]

15s give you 210

[strong forum]

So I guess the gloves are the best upgrade for you

Unless you dive into heroic raid insta

[blazing condor]

yeah makes sense

there's also a 210 weapon replacing a 184 one

idk how much weapon dmg plays into it

[jagged pier]

you take the wep

[chilly brook]

Weapon is huge

I say as I didnt take a 220 weapon when I have a 213 because I decided to replace my 207 crap trinket with a 220 stone Legion

[jagged pier]

yer but his gloves and wep are the same ilvl

[chilly brook]

But fr weapons are big

[jagged pier]

both to 210 ivlv

[chilly brook]

I'd definitely go weapon over gloves

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gotta pump these numbers up

[blazing condor]

fuck blizz for forcing me to make decisions lol

[chilly brook]

I mean realistically its not much of a choice

Weapon is the answer

[blazing condor]

yeah probably

its haste vers too

cant really complain about that

[warm thunder]

There is a calling with a ring with higher ilvl but stats are trash

Mastery/Crit

Should I keep my ring with lower ilvl but with haste on it?

The ring on calling is 184 ilvl and mine is 171 ilvl

[hushed vessel]

Question: Which Combination of Endurance Conduits do you like best when you have to choose 2 out of Brutal Vitality Stalwart Guardian and Unnerving Focus

[warm thunder]

But I've 90 haste on it

[jagged pier]

yes

[undone jacinth]

just take the higher one, it won’t make a difference

use the higher ilvl to find groups more easily

[jagged pier]

you take a ring if its lik 15 ilvls higher

[warm thunder]

@hushed vessel I like using Stalkwart Guardian + Unnerving Focus

But Brutal Vitality is fine

@jagged pier Is the renown cap now at 27?

[jagged pier]

you only get 2 a week now

[warm thunder]

Rip

[chilly brook]

Monk damage is actually so dumb

[chilly brook]

Unnerving Focus with Stalwart is dope for AM + The Wall

Personally I think brutal vitality is meh

[hushed vessel]

Yea I feel the same. I think I'm gonna go with that. The guides say that Brutal Vitality is the best but I really don't feel the difference when I use it

[brittle dagger]

is this trinket decent for tanking?

[jagged pier]

its meh

[remote dawn]

this guides are uptodate? , what talents are you running with thunderlord?

[jagged pier]

BV/Rav or ITF/Bolster or AM depending on lvl of content

[remote dawn]

for m+

[jagged pier]

yes

thats for m+

[blazing condor]

maybe unrelated but has blizzard gotten slower on m+ updates for rio score? Did a dg yesterday like 20 hours ago and still haven't gotten any

i dont remember how it works really

[strong forum]

@remote dawn

[jagged pier]

bliz dont update rio

[strong forum]

There's a handy picture

[strong forum]

Rio has issues with tracking leader board runs

So they now implemented it so the rio program can scan your logs

And instantly score your keys done through logging

Literally instantly

[blazing condor]

through another ad on or just updating the addon?

[strong forum]

Update the program

On your desktop

And enable ingame advanced logging

It'll directly grab the logs data and score your keys the second they're done, no need to upload logs or anything, it'll grab your log automatically if you've got it turned on

[blazing condor]

o damn

i had completely forgotten rio has a client

thanks!

[undone jacinth]

anyone got any experience using infinitely divisible ooze

my vault is full of garbageee

[subtle island]

best chest enchant?

primary stat +30?

[jagged pier]

yes

[remote carbon]

Hi guys have anyone tried Rumbling Earth?

[jagged pier]

its not as good

as having 2 stuns

[ionic fern]

I'm just running Double Time. 👀

[blazing condor]

double time gang

even if its probably inting a little

[ionic fern]

Idk.

I never felt like i needed a extra stun.

But i do enjoy the mobility.

[strong forum]

I once went stormbolt

And never went back to anything else

It's too good

[sweet summit]

^

[strong forum]

I was rumbling earth gang for a while, but having the ability to shutdown 1 mob 3 times in short succession or have prio stun on 30sec CD is just stupid strong

Stormbolt is actually OP

[remote carbon]

Is there any argument for Dragon Roar?

[jagged pier]

it sims higher for ST, but its never actually done more damage for me

[sweet summit]

Pure ST without tgv

[blazing condor]

when upgrading a legendary do i need to buy the stats to apply again

[sweet summit]

No

[blazing condor]

aight thanks

[remote carbon]

Finally, im debating UF and ravager

I see top prot warrior taking ravager

[jagged pier]

UF is terrible

never use it

[ionic fern]

I've gone through all of them as well..Storm Bolt, Double Time, Rumbling..but idk...guess it's preference.

[remote carbon]

How long is avatar cd on average anyone know?

[ionic fern]

?

[remote carbon]

With anger management

[jagged pier]

its about 45 secs

doesnt make UF better than rav though

and you should only run AM in none difficult content

[remote carbon]

No? Interesting

[strong forum]

UF is dead in the water, don't play it

It's literally a dps downgrade

Over having no talent at all

[jagged pier]

UF got nerfed, TC also got nerfed

so its dead

its a 200 dps lose for me on last sim

[remote carbon]

Im noob whats TC hehe

[ionic fern]

Thunder Clap.

[remote carbon]

Ah

So it seems like our talents are kinda fixed

[ionic fern]

Kinda.
AM/Bolster
ItF/Ravager

[jagged pier]

^^

[ionic fern]

Those you can play around with more leniently.

Depending on the content.

[remote carbon]

Im learning prot for M+

We’re doing 16s and our prot pally keeps dying

[jagged pier]

well if hes not kiting he will

will be the asme for u

[remote carbon]

So, we just kite all the time?

[sweet summit]

No

[jagged pier]

onces your cd run out

[remote carbon]

Or there is a point where we start kiting

[sweet summit]

When you dont have block/sw

[remote carbon]

No morr shield blocks?

[jagged pier]

al depends on packs/mobs, cds, damage

ccs

fight time

etc

[blazing condor]

at least we warriors got good kiting toolkit

idk in relation to other classes but sitll

[sweet summit]

Ye

🏃‍♂️

[undone jacinth]

you shouldn’t need to be kiting much at all in 16s unless your dps is poop

or gear

[sweet summit]

Nah you only kite when you dont have mitigation there

[ornate magnet]

whats your ideal trinket combo for pushing keys?

[undone jacinth]

scale heart

[blazing condor]

scale is crazy strong

[jagged pier]

scale and hymnal if its a good ilvl

[sweet summit]

Blood splattered scale+anima field emitter/splintered heart of al'ar

[remote carbon]

Any venthyr prot? Which soulbind is best

[sweet summit]

Draven

[jagged pier]

draven i believe

[sweet summit]

Nadjia is also solid tbh

[undone jacinth]

all their binds are dope

[sweet summit]

Nadija might actually be better this week i think

[wild sandal]

what path do u take for Draven

[valid zodiac]

When you buy the Venari thing to get a random upgrade on conduit and the first 213 you get is Brutal Vitality -.-

[sweet summit]

Left side, enduring gloom is underwhelming even if you use DoS almost on cd. The extra endurance will help more

[wild sandal]

thanks

[blazing condor]

do i gotta do something for it to fetch my RIO score from the logs? ive connected the accounts and enabled the function through the client but my runs still wont update

[nimble drift]

what i would give

for a guild that needs a tank

that is clearing 10/10 heroic

zzzzzzzzzzz my guild got stuck on sire and then skipped a week of raiding, so i think its raid team is dead

[remote carbon]

Thunderlord vs The Wall? Im expecting this to be a hard one

[nimble drift]

the wall

[remote carbon]

I think both are good

[sweet summit]

Both are good

[nimble drift]

the wall even in m+ is great

[sweet summit]

Wall is better in raids

Tlord is more aoe damage

Wall us more consistent rage compared to the bursts from tlord

Pick your poison

[nimble drift]

The Wall is all purpose. In high mythics, more shield walls for more packs and big pulls, with lots of rage gen

[remote carbon]

Which one are you using this week

[sweet summit]

You dont swap setup from week to week

Since im playing all 3 specs i only have the wall atm since its the most versatile one

So thats the one ill be using

[remote hawk]

did my first 10 key last week and got this beuty

[sweet summit]

Thats sexy

[remote hawk]

yeah i luv it uwu

[slate shell]

is the Inscrutable Quantum Device any good for tanks?

[strong forum]

Not rly

3min CD is yucky

[wild sandal]

is this good for prot

[strong forum]

Trash trinket

It's a 7k heal at max stacks

And takes 1min to stack up

It's trickle healing at best

[wild sandal]

rip vault this week then

[dawn pelican]

What are the bis trinkets i should be trying for

[strong forum]

Bloodscale / Anime field emitter / decanter / phial of purification

The latter 2 being raw dps trinkets

[slate shell]

i have scale/heart of al'ar

heart is also quite good

[strong forum]

Heart of alar is only decently good if you're pushing big dick keys

[slate shell]

yah

[strong forum]

Or super early progression

[smoky wave]

I'd also suggest if you make mistakes often enough.

( 🙋‍♂️ would like a heart of alar please)

[nimble drift]

the trinket from generals

is poggers

if a few people have it especially

[undone jacinth]

will never get it because I will fake illness for every generals kill

[nocturne marlin]

do you have xp how often we can use shieldwall (with the wall)?

[strong forum]

Every ~2min

[nocturne marlin]

ty ❤️

[valid zodiac]

Just crafted my 2nd rank 4 leggo ( The Wall) and combined with the Stalwart Guardian conduit I have to say it's freaking good

[strong forum]

Yuh

[nocturne marlin]

dont know (just feely) got tgv and think the wall is also very nice at m+. Feels really good

[valid zodiac]

After using the shield wall it took me 1:30 min to get the CD back up

[nocturne marlin]

@valid zodiac same for me today 🙂

[pallid pine]

I subbed in for a few bosses in heroic CN today and my dps was complete trash. Any tips to improve dps?

[jagged pier]

got logs?

[pallid pine]

Yes one moment

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7hxp9Ptvqf6dTBnV/

I was in for first 2 bosses

[jagged pier]

u didnt press revenge once

[strong forum]

^

Press revenge.

[pallid pine]

Ah lol. I was worried about not dying

I don’t normally tank

[nocturne marlin]

Basha, do you know where to get steward fast? around 213

[pallid pine]

Welp. Thank you guys

[strong forum]

You could also press more executes

[nocturne marlin]

ah generals 🙂

[strong forum]

And worry less about survival, but I guess that's comfortability and you're just not comfortable playing the spec

[jagged pier]

the first 2 bosses do no damage so surviability is not an issue tbh

[strong forum]

There has be a healthy balance between using rage for IP and revenge

You don't just spam 1 or the other

[pallid pine]

Kk

[valid zodiac]

With Anger managment I got the CD back down from 1:30 to 0:55 seconds but I feel like keeping Bolster> 35 seconds getting shield wall eariler

[strong forum]

Ye 55sec is basically the minimum CD you can achieve

[jagged pier]

^^

[pallid pine]

I’m to normals today. We’ll see how it goes. Thank you

[strong forum]

Can't get any lower than that without obscene amounts of haste

[valid zodiac]

So I guess I'll stick to Bolster as well with the Wall leggo

[strong forum]

Generally the better play yes

[fallow cloud]

Best trinkets for high mythics dungeons?

[remote dawn]

mmh i dont no what leggy i make guys, only for m+ wall or thunder what you say guys?

[strong forum]

I'm using wall

[strong forum]

@fallow cloud

[fallow cloud]

thx!

[strong forum]

Heart of alar is also usable, but depends on you

[lusty ember]

Someday my blood scale will come

[remote carbon]

dps wise, would Signet be top?

[jagged pier]

not really only procs on avatar

and only gives 4secs of reck or bladestorm

where as the wall gives more rage over the entire fight for more revenges and executes

if the fight is short enough u might only get 1 use of signet

[undone jacinth]

you can just sim for dps

[strong forum]

For dps you just sim, but I wouldn't forego wall or tl

Cuz we're not in a position where you can just mongo dps 24/7 anymore in SL

Or atleast I think so

[jagged pier]

also bare in mind the sim wont nessercarily take the rage you get form the wall and use it in the same way you would be damage

[sweet summit]

Signet is the highest siming lego ive found, even beat arbiter when i last simmed

[deft sapphire]

bladestorm proc is poggers in dungeons (but im a dps main)

[hazy fern]

I took down denathrius the other night any suggestions on what I could do to improve my damage? Or anything in general? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LnBQN9JPqmd83DpX/#view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2

[cosmic oasis]

hook good? 🤔

[jagged pier]

you arent casting a lot of revenges

[jagged pier]

its okay for ST damage

[jagged pier]

somehow TC is your top damage u much be prioing it over eveyrhting else u dont do that well not top but high

[cosmic oasis]

might just get gluttons then i feel 😦 shit box today

[jagged pier]

but 18 casts of revenge

compared to 87 casts of tc

you could also press execute more

[hazy fern]

I see I try to use it on XD for more rage into my defenses ok I will do that

Cd

[jagged pier]

well in terms of your defensives

you are doing it completely wrong

you are barely casting SB

and you only blocked 29% of melees against you

sorry 24%

and your IP is mega high

SB is our main mitigation not IP

IP is a nice buffer on top of it

you also runnin gbolster and cast LS twice in an 8 minute fight

[hazy fern]

Ok ok I can fix that I didn’t know

[jagged pier]

thats not how you use bolster

bolster is used to fill the gap between you SB charged being down

honestly u need to work on playing defensively before you can tank aggressively

[hazy fern]

I agree you are helping me realize this thank you

[silent fog]

what's the % block hit you should have when playing correctly ? 50/60 % ?

by the way, with details, any way to see the amount of damage blocked ?

[lime urchin]

I’d say 55ish

[ionic fern]

In where? M+?

[silent fog]

yea m+ mostly

[ionic fern]

M+ you can get 65-75

With Bolster

[silent fog]

i have to track that. Anyway besides wowlog ?

[lime urchin]

I use details to track it

[silent fog]

can't seem to find the right option in it :/

[jagged pier]

details will track it?

i just log

tbh

[lime urchin]

I haven’t done much logging, so I use details.

It’s under the tab ‘aura’s when you click on your name for damage done

[silent fog]

care to explain how or send me a post explaining it ?

ok, will give it a try when at home

thanks for the tips

[lime urchin]

@silent fog this is the aura's tab I mean (this is a random google picture of it, but its the same in the current version)

[jagged pier]

how does that track what your blocking though?

[silent fog]

i've been on it but i guess i didn't analyze it too much

[lime urchin]

it certainly is not as good as logging at all

its just a quick and easy 'check' to see certain uptime

it certainly doesnt replace logging

[silent fog]

shame

[jagged pier]

uptime means nothing tho tbh

[lime urchin]

that's true, it doesnt show any effective uptime.

[silent fog]

guess i'll start logging

[signal plover]

Just block the dam silly

[ionic fern]

Ugh 2 weapons

Gimme my hakkar.

[sweet summit]

Unlucky 😔

[steep quarry]

Helmet or Trinket --> Head=17ilvl upgrade+socket. Trinkets I already wear are 207 phial and 220 heraldry. stoneheart worth?

[uneven mason]

Mwahi I hate you, I've gotten 0 weapons and 1 (downgrade) shield from the vault (I mean, I've gotten 0 weapons in general, had to buy a PVP one)

[sweet summit]

Stonwheart more like bad

Take head mate

[steep quarry]

ok ty, just have 0 xp with stoneheart

thats why i am asking

[sweet summit]

Maybe shoulders?

Nah

[steep quarry]

have exactly the same with same ilvl 😄

[sweet summit]

O noice

[astral crystal]

stoneheart is a bad trinket

go with helm

for sure

[uneven mason]

Got a sidegrade on gloves this week from vault ><

haste/crit over mastery/crit

[bronze forge]

just started trying out some tanking, can anyone recommend some conduit for prot

for survivabilty

[sweet summit]

Unnerving>stalwart>brutal>vr hot
Rally one>shockwave cdr>safeguard
Covenant>show of force>ashen>covenant if venthyr

[bronze forge]

yeah im venth

[modern brook]

its also in the guides

[bronze forge]

i didnt see it unlike the arms ones

[bronze forge]

what guide is that

[signal plover]

Icy veins

[sweet summit]

Also latest pin :)

[bronze forge]

sorry new to discord

[modern brook]

np

[strong forum]

Yeah but do your weapons have leech?

[ionic fern]

No. 😦

[strong forum]

Weak

[steady spruce]

Finally beat Mists +15 😄

i'm gonna go Venthyr now

and focus on raid

yeehah

[strong forum]

Kek, mists as your last timed 15?

[steady spruce]

That shit's hard yo

[strong forum]

Dunno if joke or not

[steady spruce]

nah seriously yesterday was tyrannical and people underestimate boss mechanics on mists

i saw 4 pugs fail

[ionic fern]

Last boss can be hard on Tyrannical if people are a bit messing around.

[signal plover]

Dodging swirlies tough

[strong forum]

I find first boss way harder

[sweet summit]

First boss is more of a cockblock than last yeah

[steady spruce]

I'm a big brain i decided to push on the tyrannical week

[modern brook]

wait you pugged a 15?

[steady spruce]

hmm yes why

[sweet summit]

Why would you not be able to pug a 15?

[modern brook]

because 90% of pugs in this game aretrying to play with their feet?

[steady spruce]

Last week pugged NW +15 too

3rd boss lasted 52 seconds

But yeah Pugs can be tough

[fierce tendon]

you just gotta aggressively vet who u bring for ur group

[modern brook]

I watched a group of 4 burn 16 minutes on last boss of Plaguefall on a 10 once

i just wanted a trinket

[strong forum]

I'll have you know I pugged 4 dungeons so far and nobody even said a single word

[fierce tendon]

aka 920 io andy whos done a 12 should not be coming for the 15 push

[strong forum]

|| normal dungeons ||

[steady spruce]

When you have your own +15 key you can find people with 1K8 rio 224 ilvl

[strong forum]

Especially if it's mists

You get like 400 sign ups in 12 seconds

[sweet summit]

Or halls 👀

[steady spruce]

Yes

[modern brook]

i havent done a halls in like 2 weeks

[strong forum]

I haven't done NW since heroic week

[modern brook]

with keys being decidedly pointless I've basically just ran 4~ 14's and then spammed plaguefalls

[strong forum]

We "only" get top, sd hoa and mists

Plaguefalls too, actually

[modern brook]

lol thats over half the dungeons nom

[fierce tendon]

I've gotten nw 3 weeks in a row

[steady spruce]

What happens with your DOS & NW keys Nome? 😄

[strong forum]

Never get them

Legit

[signal plover]

My key from chest has been SD 3 weeks in a row lol

[strong forum]

Didn't do NW or DoS in 4 weeks

Maybe 5

Spires only done twice

So yeah, I'm somewhat of a hardcore pusher

[modern brook]

💪

I actually have grown to really like SD

[crisp dragon]

Unnerving focus against Brutal vitality (dmg = IP) - I dont usually run bolster

[steady spruce]

now i can finally play the game

[modern brook]

I honestly though the 2nd place warrior was also you

im very tired

[steady spruce]

Maybe i am

[modern brook]

🙏 i want it to be true tbh

[steady spruce]

I'm trying to get 10 characters to get all top 10

and fuck other players

[woven trellis]

hi, how good is the pvp trinket the health one

for tanking

any idea?

[modern brook]

its worse than the on use str one

[silent fog]

SD is not that hard, main problem is the camera...

[woven trellis]

i dont have the on use str one, i have the haste one tho ilvl 197

[modern brook]

also probably better

[woven trellis]

i mean 12k life cant be bad right

[modern brook]

its a real big 🤷‍♂️ whatever

str => more damage, bigger ips, more armor

health => health.

[woven trellis]

as a result of this

all of my chest choices are garbager

[modern brook]

yeah that happens

[steady spruce]

at least once a week

[dull zodiac]

why is warrior so little played nowadays? whats the shortcomming

as in prot

[steady spruce]

People are intimidated by our natural swag

[dull zodiac]

i like my prot warrior

[steady spruce]

they don't think they're worthy to play a warrior

truth is they aren't

[young glen]

I like my prot warrior too. It's just that you can achieve the same outcome with less difficulty (in terms of m+ e.g.)

[modern brook]

unironically this though

[steady spruce]

Prot was S tier in BFA and isn't anymore so people think it's garbage

..

[young glen]

Prot was S tier late in BFA tho

[modern brook]

prot was S tier in 8.0

but everyone was a pussy

[steady spruce]

and with the kitting meta we're still suffering

[sweet summit]

I disagree

Prot was not S tier in 8.0

[modern brook]

S+ u right

[sweet summit]

[modern brook]

Jokes aside a well played prot in 8.0 was probably just below a DK at that point

then 8.1 happened and we were gods since

[young glen]

We are still in better shape than BDK 😄

[modern brook]

BDK flew too close to the sun

[steady spruce]

isn't it their flavor tho

[sweet summit]

I dont think dks can fly

[young glen]

Without the addition of new legendaries, I am not even sure if equipping two would give us the same boost as other tanks.

[modern brook]

yeah just like how they tank they take their nerfs in large chunks and try and heal it back

[sweet summit]

Tlord an wall

Would be

[steady spruce]

they crawled on the floor too close to the sun maybe

[sweet summit]

Epic

[young glen]

It would be epic yeah - but seeing brew monk and veng dh having a second legendary that sort of interacts with eachother and shizzle just makes them even stronger

[dull zodiac]

do u try to execute only with 40 rage or doesnt it matter?

[strong forum]

Just spam away

[sweet summit]

Doesnt matter

[modern brook]

Being able to use mirror w/o giving up wall or lords would also most likely be extremely applicable

[steady spruce]

Signet + Unhinged as arms 😄

[dull zodiac]

oki

[strong forum]

Until you need SB again

[dull zodiac]

cool

[modern brook]

Executes damage per rage spent is linear so it doesnt matter past rage management for block/ip when relevant

[silver trout]

I think I like the feel of The Wall in M+ a lot more than the Thunderlord

[zenith monolith]

Quick question, Thunderlord legendary. Is a 4.5 sec total reduction in Dem shout that big for M+ ? Am I missing something ?

[strong forum]

It's 4.5sec max per thunderclap

[zenith monolith]

ahhhh

[strong forum]

So you effectively reduce the CD by about 40%-50% in m+

[zenith monolith]

now I get it

nice , thanks

[uneven mason]

I slapped on my azerite stuff for TWing

[strong forum]

Alot of people do

[uneven mason]

then I felt like crying because even with DC

thunderclap still feels like shit

[zenith monolith]

yeah been using Wall up until now, pushing 14+

nearly have enough ash for rank 4 Thunder, so was asking

[uneven mason]

if you have TW its probably fine to just keep going with it, unless you're running into DPS issues.

thats the big gap, TW is better defensively than TL

[zenith monolith]

u reckon its worth crafting another leggo instead ?

[sand cloud]

Been using The wall n leaper legs so far Till +12 keys(not a big boy). In My opinion leaper IS hard to overcome with other legs on this kiting scene. If you havent tried it i strongly recommend it (not trolling)

[modern brook]

IDC how true that is im still mad to see it posted

[uneven mason]

Yeah, leaper is overlooked as a defensive

[zenith monolith]

lemme check that out

[modern brook]

You know you fucked up tanking if leaper is our best legendary

"you" being blizzard

[zenith monolith]

hahaha aren't all DH's leapers 🙂

[uneven mason]

yeah but DHs main ability is being able to hold aggro while running away

they have to be in melee not at all.

[zenith monolith]

ye true

i am having issue with that

[sand cloud]

Leaper+ravager(+im night fae so got aoe strike for Every pullo)

[silver trout]

I like that the wall lets me face tank more stuff

[modern brook]

anyone remember where we left off on the damage to ip vs DW leech conduits?