ye doesn’t have cd
#protection
deft bridge
that too
silver trout
honestly if it didn't have a min range itd be a nice button to mash when we have those moments of 1-3 gcd's where we just auto attack
ionic fern
Jeah, the min range part seems kinda..out dated.
modern brook
god forbid warrior can do anything from 5-8 yards
Sidebar: Throw weapon thematically remains my favorite ability because in legion we got these artifacts that embody our spec and warrior was like "sweet" and just hucked it at a skeleton
strong forum
👀
Don't mind me, just chucking hundreds of [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]
ionic fern
Imagine if you actually lost your weapon every time you used it.
Have to buy "Throw" ammo like in the good old days.
Think Rogues/Hunters had it?
strong forum
Having a bow equipped for stats as warri
sweet summit
I prefer to think youre just chucking pebbles at the enemy, and thats why its threat multiplier is so high but damage is low
strong forum
Aggravating but doesn't do much
undone jacinth
your shaman forgetting to bring their ankhs when you need to res beyond trash...
signal plover
Symbols or w/e
strong forum
Yuh
Prot pallies with spell power weapons
And mp5 and stam gems...
Tbc... Home...
turbid cargo
hyjal rock candy mace hnnggg
sick sentinel
did they nerf the range on heroic throw
astral crystal
what are my kyrianbros picking as their next conduit?
thinking of picking up the rallying shout one
sick sentinel
i thought someone just saying throw has baby range
craggy harness
it's not 40 yards
astral crystal
heroic throw max is 30 yards
craggy harness
like a true range
sick sentinel
30 yards is still pretty far, but i used throw to pull everything in BFA
jagged pier
bring back gag order
sick sentinel
in TBC i was rogue only, so i only knew the agility life
craggy harness
heh, mistcaller, guild group didn't have a good time there
smoky wave
bring back gag order
There's many many things I'd do to get gag order back.
sick sentinel
i had played a paladin, but it never worked out
craggy harness
heroic throw and even storm bolted bombs
sweet summit
Wth is gag order
jagged pier
heroic throw intupts the target
craggy harness
it's part of the bondage talent tree
jagged pier
used to be a glyph
sick sentinel
bola bombs is kinda good for pulling but its exespensive, uses a potion, and requires a channel and you have to aim in right direction
smoky wave
Wasn't it once every 30 seconds? Still, was amazing.
jagged pier
i dunno was a long time ago now
sick sentinel
bola sticks to target, then does aoe and the aoe is like twice as large radius
compared to nutcracker
craggy harness
i guess gag order is where that anima power idea came from
now that I think about it.
er maybe not. i'm on crack.
thinking of the mage getting an interrupt with their cast
smh
hazy fern
What’s the best tank for raiding?
sweet summit
Probably dh/warr
Just so you can get rid of one melee spot for buff 👀
thin nexus
Been playing prot war as a new tank, and am feeling like my health is very spikey even with shield block and ignore pain up. I tried out dpsing yesterday with a dh tank and found they were taking hits without stressing out the healer much. With each class' regular defensive up, are prot warriors that much squishier?
In a lot of cases id start kiting the dh could just eat it
I think its possible I have gaps in my defensives but not 100 percent certain, and its something I want to watch out for. Just the amount I feel I'm kiting in a plus 10 range is more than I'd expect to
vagrant cape
without logs or something, it's hard to tell if you're rotating CDs properly, but CD usage is a core tenant of prot
vagrant cape
Also, are you using the wall or thunderlord?
thin nexus
I guess as a more general question, how much do you guys find you're kiting on a fortified week on a pull that doesn't use cds
Wall
jagged pier
i barely kite up to 15s
apart from certain mobs and packs
DoS i kite a lot of packs in there
but most generally do magic damage
and the gargons in HoA
smoky wave
i barely kite up to 15s
What ilvl? Just so I've got a base for comparison
jagged pier
What ilvl? Just so I've got a base for comparison
219 as of yesterday
218 of a weekish ago
jagged pier
Guess its time for me to start logging my m plus runs
ive said it before log everything it really help us to help you
thin nexus
Not sure what 219 to plus 15 would be in relation to some ilvl af a plus 10 or 11
craggy harness
219 as of yesterday
I get the feeling the comparison is more the ilvl and dps of his dps that he brings
thin nexus
ive said it before log everything it really help us to help you
Will do
smoky wave
Ta, on 200 so I'm having to shuffle out of stuff a tad, but not loads, on 10+ so makes sense.
craggy harness
Stuff stays up longer, problems happen.
vagrant cape
having good dps is night and day compared to mediocre dps
jagged pier
Ta, on 200 so I'm having to shuffle out of stuff a tad, but not loads, on 10+ so...
does also depend on dps, but im higher than most people in my guild and that i run with
vagrant cape
let alone bad dps
thin nexus
On this week that passed i could eat most things until enrage, where I was kiting over half the pulls after most of the pull enraged
jagged pier
because ive done pvp
jagged pier
On this week that passed i could eat most things until enrage, where I was kitin...
because its nor fortifed you will find that
someone at the start of the expansion was like i changed to mastery gear this week and its way eaiser
yer no shit its not fortifed
amber herald
is hunter trap ooc cc?
sick sentinel
time to go see the crit mastery shit they put in my GV
sick sentinel
i like to think its the 10's of thousands of players who want their loot
craggy harness
we'll see in an hour
jagged pier
sb it up
uneven mason
got a kill but taunting mid cast did not work
jagged pier
they are physical
that wont work
even with the taunt they still all hit the same targe
just pop a cd
you will hvae it back up next time you need to take one
we only get like 1 or 2 spikes before she dies anyway
sick sentinel
207 haste mastery shield
deep steppe
👀
sick sentinel
i've been extremely lucky with shields in terms of always get a better ilvl one and it always has had haste on it, been haste main mastery 2nd last 2 shields the BOE one and some other one
deft bridge
timewalking week again woo!
time to get insulted for not running dungeons i dont know fast enough again ;_;
sick sentinel
i can see it now
zero interupts, no dispells, group wipes, gets sent back to dungeon teleport, FU noob healer tank KICK
deft bridge
NOOB TANK should've started kiting
craggy harness
just out dps the dps
jagged pier
time to get insulted for not running dungeons i dont know fast enough again ;_;
wear old expanion leggos and deal uber damage
uneven mason
time to get insulted for not running dungeons i dont know fast enough again ;_;
Y don't you have a time machine so you can know these things ahead of time!
deft bridge
this is my first expansion hardcore playing 😄
craggy harness
ah, cata, the expansion where i quit because of elite heroic lfg in dungeons
deft bridge
imo the only reason vdh is so used rn is that kiting hides party mistakes
craggy harness
never going to have good memories of these dungeons
dawn imp
dont really have a good selection this week. what do you guys think is the biggest upgrade?
jagged pier
hard to tell when we dont know what you have equiped
jagged pier
but yer you can forget about the stone
dawn imp
spiral wave
is stone legion trinket really good?
undone jacinth
it’s ok
jagged pier
if u have 4 other people with it yes
sweet summit
decanter is good for damage, shoulders would be nice if you wanted to play with thunderlord, wrists seems alright i guess
undone jacinth
it’s alright just by itself
jagged pier
dont really have a good selection this week. what do you guys think is the bigge...
wrists or decanter as you have the wall equiped
spiral wave
thanks
dawn imp
kools, thanks
earnest remnant
1+, I would go wrists
haughty sleet
Thoughts on a 220 sanguine vintage?
undone jacinth
it’s good
earnest remnant
Yea cd is quick too, I use it pretty much whenever it's up
undone jacinth
it’s really solid defensive value just gets beat out by scale because of dmg and aoe
jagged pier
Thoughts on a 220 sanguine vintage?
really good i have one equiped
haughty sleet
Using 213 macabre and hungering devourer trinket
Was thinking of dropping macabre for it
undone jacinth
Macabre 😂
jagged pier
Using 213 macabre and hungering devourer trinket
macabre is trash
uneven mason
I ❤️ my 207 Vintage
jagged pier
get rid of it
signal plover
+1 for a 220 vintage
undone jacinth
gz
tardy parcel
tyty
calm hollow
how good is this?
sweet summit
meh
calm hollow
considering I still have this tho lol
undone jacinth
yikes
round star
chilly brook
I mean anything is better than bladedancer
tardy parcel
coalesced hatred at least is okay damage. or at least the 184 was when i was still gearing up, like ~4-5% of overall for a bit
definitely better than bladedancer lol
open monolith
sad vault noises 😦
chilly brook
No bueno?
open monolith
only thing I get that is halfway decent is a 207 stone legion
chilly brook
Oof
open monolith
220 ring with no haste (I have a 220 and 213 ring with heavy haste)
chilly brook
I decided against doing 10 keys last week
sick sentinel
How do people feel about the slimy organ?
open monolith
Well I got solid upgrades every single week before this, so it was time to get garbage
cobalt grove
Silly, stupid question. If I'm just going for damage on content that I outgear, is signet usable for prot? I know I can get the anima power that works for it...just didn't know if that worked with the item itself.
undone jacinth
It is yea
cobalt grove
I have both thunderlord and the wall already, just wanted to play around with stuff
undone jacinth
you can use signet in any content tbh just isn’t gonna give you the defensive value the others do when you need it
cobalt grove
I say outgearing because bladestorm can be problematic when interrupts are needed
undone jacinth
so it’s up to you when you feel you need it
hardy radish
aw yis a 216 quantum device
undone jacinth
yeah not being able to interrupt is the biggest downside
cobalt grove
Right?
hardy radish
I can't believe they haven't hotfixed it for prot warrs
undone jacinth
but you can normally prepare for that by interrupting the first cast after pull then avatar after
hardy radish
I mean, I can, because it's blizz, but still
undone jacinth
most dangerous casts start on pull or shortly after
cobalt grove
I tried explaining that drawback in the dps warrior section, wasn't seen as a drawback
undone jacinth
dps brains
cobalt grove
I've only used it as a power in torg thus far as prot
hardy radish
"kicking? don't tanks do all that?"
undone jacinth
do you wanna know the biggest niche upside
undone jacinth
on stone legion generals if you have the bleed and you avatar to proc blade storm you are immune to the stun of the aoe thing
but you still clear the bleed
amazing
cobalt grove
What clears the bleed?
undone jacinth
I’m having a brain meltdown but it’s the brown circle thing people get
cobalt grove
Crystallize
undone jacinth
there you go
cobalt grove
I typically raid as fury, so those little niche things are nice to know when I have to swap to prot
undone jacinth
you can dodge it with fury blade storm too for extra dps !
cobalt grove
Been having to tank on kael so our pally tank can roll heals
Hmm, that's definitely good to know
undone jacinth
you can also bladestorm the artificer traps
cobalt grove
Also handy
undone jacinth
Kaelthas is the one fight I just never want to do each week despite wanting the trinket
cobalt grove
I don't mind it as prot, the adds tickle
cobalt grove
It's like...oh you were doing physical damage... sucks for you
undone jacinth
for the 2 seconds adds are actually alive
fickle dust
Hey, question -- is there a good list of stuff to track on ZT party cooldown WA? Or is it mostly personal opinion? If the latter, can I have yours?
chilly brook
Bare minimum would be DPS CDs and Externals
undone jacinth
I track main offensive cool downs, main healer cool downs and then just key utility like trees
chilly brook
Oh and interrupts if you dont have an interrupt tracker
undone jacinth
it adds so much fluff so I remove anything that isn’t stuff you play around
sturdy trench
does any1 have a definitive answer if blizzard will fix signet working for prot?
or are they keeping it as is
undone jacinth
No
tardy parcel
With Renown 25 available this week, what path do you all recommend going down Pelegos' soulbind tree? Potency first for Phial CD reduction on kill and then endurance for the rest?
undone jacinth
if they ‘fix’ it it’ll be prots best Lego imo so I don’t think they will do it
they said they won’t wanna mess with overall balance
sturdy trench
i hope they fix it
it will be so fun
imagine next patch when u can have 2 leggos
the wall +signet
oh boi
undone jacinth
lots of classes gonna be crazy if they get 2 legos
bear will be mental
dh won’t be great, maybe that’s what we wait for
chilly brook
That's a big assumption that we get 2 legendaries at all and that it'll be next patch
jolly thistle
the Sigil legendary is way better than 3s of bladestorm or recklessness
chilly brook
I mean it is
undone jacinth
oh dear
chilly brook
Sad thing is Signet could actually be good if they patched it
chilly brook
Outside of just kinda being there like it is now
It'd be nice to have something that actually provides a real tangible offensive benefit
chilly brook
Granted The Wall and TL do but it's more indirect
Khakushans where ya at?
Gib big shield slams again plz
undone jacinth
you can make your shield of the righteous do like 150% extra damage
or get infinite avengers shield
it’s so nuts
oh yeah and permanent wings in ashen
they are so fun
1 Prot Lego should definitely have buffed clap significantly
chilly brook
It's fun but it's not a serious build
burnt basin
for venthyr\
stray sonnet
where do you get show of force conduit?
chilly brook
where do you get show of force conduit?
Any particular reason youd be wanting Show of Force over your covenant specific potency?
stray sonnet
I think I have that as my first potency conduit
jagged pier
Any particular reason youd be wanting Show of Force over your covenant specific...
if your venthyr u run it
chilly brook
Ah
stray sonnet
Oh I’m kyrian too if that matters
chilly brook
Not a Venthyr boi so that explains it
If you're Kyrian wouldn't you want 1x potency 1x finesse and 2x endurance?
chilly brook
Ah nvm
stray sonnet
Not sure but I’m going by the icy veins guide
chilly brook
Pepegos is 2x potency
finite prairie
Question on stat weights...is there a way to weigh them for survivability? Example...when I sim my stat weights now it tells me mastery is what I need and haste is on the bottom of the list, but I feel like I want more haste for shield block uptime. My haste is 15% at the moment. I know simming only takes into account dps.
With most pieces I can usually eyeball it and ilvl wins more often than not, but with rings im having a hard time deciding. Like now I have 207 and 210 rings that are crit/vers and crit/mastery, respectively. I have in vault the 200 haste/vers pvp ring. How would you play that?
stray sonnet
chilly brook
Question on stat weights...is there a way to weigh them for survivability? Examp...
Simming your stat weights is only for dps
Not for survival
As for your ring question I just use highest ilvl, it wont be that big of a difference in your survival and more stats are considered better than "optimal" stats
lusty marsh
Another week, another no 223 shield.
finite prairie
Ah ok
obsidian plover
Can you spam class trials to unlock the Prot warrior hidden artifact appearence?
steady spruce
Who said tyrannical is hard yo
chilly brook
Can you spam class trials to unlock the Prot warrior hidden artifact appearence?
Just check it daily
obsidian plover
I have been but I'm an impatiant bitch
Update
it does
it literally just did it for me on a class trial
tardy sequoia
guys I have a question: are all dungeons equally doable every week, or some weeks are better to push some dung instead of others?
Or is it an excuse?
chilly brook
That question is easily answered by the fact that people doing 20s weren't even bothering pushing more than 15s last week
tardy sequoia
ok so it's true, thanks
i am focusing on pushing sanguine depths this week lol
i'll trust icyveins more
undone jacinth
some dungeons are generally easier every week
like mists
some dungeons like necrotic wake and sanguine depths are only for the brave almost every week
lusty marsh
Sanguine is such a cool dungeon though
undone jacinth
I guess there has to be someone out there that thinks that
lusty marsh
I freely admit it's hard and can be a pita.
steady spruce
Necrotic Wake, Plaguefall and maybe SOA/SD seems to be the hardest this week
Top the bosses are rough but the route is easy
SD doesn't seem as bad as people think
lusty marsh
Time on DoS is so tight
undone jacinth
theres just certain breakpoints where things take massively longer
like hakkar shield, 1 phase on last boss etc
trash one shotting you!
heady ivy
When people in the channel say to log dungeons as tank, is this done with details too? What tab should I be looking at to see if I'm performing correctly, buff uptime?
gentle whale
Are there any higher level Prot Warrior streamers? I’ve been trying kinda watch some gameplay just to work on my own strats and haven’t really seen any. I’ve seen a list of PvP streamers but not really any for M+ or Raids.
chilly brook
Are there any higher level Prot Warrior streamers? I’ve been trying kinda watch ...
Sense
heady ivy
So there is no logging for dungeons? 😞
undone jacinth
you just log like you log a raid
lofty widget
you log dungeons the same way you would raid
undone jacinth
and it works for dungeons
lavish oracle
Necrotic wakes not that bad
undone jacinth
the last boss in torghast doesnt get affected by the 50% hp reduction but after 4seconds it restores 50%, so I just cant deal damage to it in the opener..
lavish oracle
I think genuinely it's one of the easier keys if you use the weapons + Kyrian bonus
steady spruce
NW was the worse for me this week
undone jacinth
necrotic wake is the worst key
that's why it has the worst timing stats
or one of the worst
every weeks
steady spruce
Very hard to perfectly use pridefuls and weapons
lavish oracle
Hmmmm, that was sanguine depths last I checked
steady spruce
imo you shouldn't lose weapons on death, like SoA
lofty widget
on fort weeks it's kind of a pushover tbh
undone jacinth
yeah they switch around
but hte point is they are both terrible
you said its 'one of the easier keys'
lofty widget
second boss dies in less than a minute with orb/spear/hammer
steady spruce
SD is okay as long as you do a good skip
undone jacinth
that is not close to true
lavish oracle
Depths and DoS were both worse last week
sterile moss
Kk, I just have never logged a raid either
You can get an addon like Exorsus Raid Tools to log your m+ dungeons/raid encounters automatically. Select 'Enable advanced logging' in your game settings under System>Network. Then use the warcraftlogs client to upload to the website where you can view it.
undone jacinth
lavish oracle
It's one of the easier keys if people are using weapons and Kyrian bonus properly
lavish oracle
If you're just ignoring/losing weapons, it's spooky
undone jacinth
executing the key is difficult
lofty widget
what does the subcration track exactly?
amount of timed runs?
or amount of timed runs compared to amount of depleted
limpid pawn
lavish oracle
Yeah, just the number of timed runs
limpid pawn
on my other char, trinket or pants?
lavish oracle
Not even like timed % of total or anything
Just literally the total number timed
Oooh, nice ring brolikk
sterile moss
<@!735323136710410324> the raider.io desktop app also take the logs automaticall...
Oh that's nice to know. I never downloaded the app, but I guess if you don't use ERT otherwise that's a good option
strong forum
Pants
limpid pawn
yeah good call
lavish oracle
I'd take the ring but I already have 223 pants
sweet summit
i just use savedinstances
twin hazel
i just look on the map
sterile moss
still two more weeks until Niya's burrs 😩
undone jacinth
Hover over the skull where thorgast is
so if it says 'available' that means I haven't done anything this week?
twin hazel
correct
twin hazel
it will say which layer you have completed in green below
steady spruce
is that good? seems good
undone jacinth
I like it
steady spruce
depend on procrate
undone jacinth
but its a group buff
steady spruce
what about raid
undone jacinth
we did test it but I can't remember
ah never tried it in raid
but in dungeons the buffs were stacking
twin hazel
seems pretty good to me
undone jacinth
its good if all 5 players can use the stat
twin hazel
can you use it and take it off and keep the buff on party?
limpid pawn
it's just for your party not raid
limpid pawn
i'm sure they fixed that
undone jacinth
this was week 1 testing
twin hazel
its versatility its good for everyone
twin hazel
its like popping 2.5 vantus runes
undone jacinth
there is a vendor in ardenweald where you can go to change what stat it gives
so you can do different combos
twin hazel
interesting
limpid pawn
you can make it change ocarina stats?
twin hazel
for brew anything but haste
limpid pawn
i feel like verse is pretty solid for most no?
undone jacinth
solid yes but I'd rather give everyone haste
limpid pawn
also does this also give the user the proc?
lavish oracle
Haste is usually pretty good too with a few exceptions
twin hazel
you just get all the haste you really need from other sources
undone jacinth
when we tested I think up time was around 15% per person
but things change so idk
maybe it was 25, cant remember, long time ago
spark mortar
So what are the fancy lads doing with Prot Warrior in 10s and above these days. I know we can't compare to DH but surely Avatar + Kyrian Spear + TC spam should be some solid damage to open, right?
limpid pawn
I thin kravager is the majority of the initial threat
undone jacinth
damage is totally fine
spark mortar
Ah true, forgot to mention Ravager.
limpid pawn
the mitigation gaps just suck
spark mortar
Yeah if a pack takes longer than a few globals we're trucked.
undone jacinth
brew has a higher ceiling atm tho
spark mortar
Like I'm rolling
19% Haste
28% Mastery
8% Vers
limpid pawn
brew actually is ok
lavish oracle
My end of key DPS tends to be like 2.6-3.3k depending on the key
twin hazel
they are still good dont get me wrong
lavish oracle
Not sure how that compares to vdh
twin hazel
but it just feels like im gonna die a lot more
limpid pawn
depends on key but on my vdh like high 3k's is normal
3k+ damage is acceptable imo
but vdh so much tankier
lavish oracle
Fiery brand build is legit kinda busted
limpid pawn
20 second 40%dr that spreads
limpid pawn
that lasts 12 seconds LOL
cinder nova
I got a 207 Vers/Mast ring I can replace or a 207 haste/vers chest. Of course, I could snake up trinket too, but it doesn't feel like the right choice, but what do I know?
acoustic willow
198 ilvl, should I run Torghast TC (on Layer 3) as Prot or go in Arms or Fury to solo. I'm Necro so I dont get the huge Condemn boost from Anima Powers
cinder nova
I'm thinking the STR alone makes it the chest.
spark mortar
Torghast on Prot ain't shit @acoustic willow. You got this!
acoustic willow
for the regular 6 levels year
what baout for TV
TC*
feels like my damage is super low
cinder nova
TC is a meme.
lavish oracle
Take the chest @cinder nova
spark mortar
You might be a little low on ilvl TBH. Part of it is you need to get the right combination of powers.
cinder nova
acoustic willow
what powers for Prot are gonna help do 3m damage to the final boss?
lavish oracle
Yeah, they're both good options but chest primary gain is big
spark mortar
Got lucky with this today. Not Haste/Vers but that block though...
cinder nova
I'd vendor it if it didn't cheese my ilvl.
Nice @spark mortar
I got my 220 shield first week in the vault
I felt like a thief
spark mortar
Hahaha. I had been rocking a 197 for weeks.
Still can't get a good trinket to save my ass yet though.
limpid pawn
just get a 226 scale forehead
cinder nova
Here-here. I got a 207 Hatred and a 200 Anime
swift sandal
Anyone have thoughts or experience with this?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/243817519100461056/801133443030450236/unknown.png
cinder nova
Stronk.
limpid pawn
have on my monk, awesome trinket
spark mortar
Cheat death is handy. Wish I had it.
cinder nova
It's probably one of the better prog trinkets.
spark mortar
That and Sire D's absorb are solid.
swift sandal
I can't find it on any bis tanking lists other than DH and prot pally, but not warrior so I wasn't sure if I was missing something
spark mortar
It's a solid survival trinket. All the fun of cheat death, none of the aggro drop.
swift sandal
ah so might be fun to have in the bag for prog fights
spark mortar
Imagine all those times you got trucked - if you had that, it would be less.
tardy parcel
As the others have said - really good trinket with the caveat that it loses nearly all use in encounters that you are sure that you aren't getting clapped on / have on farm
strong forum
I got a 207 Vers/Mast ring I can replace or a 207 haste/vers chest. Of course, ...
chest
outer solstice
can someone plz fast forward 12 hours? I want to open my box too
cinder nova
Little did he know all that awaited him was disappointment.
spark mortar
4 rings - all sub-par stats
outer solstice
oof
cinder nova
On the topic of Torghast again.
I just do it in Fury
You can build it so you basically never die and all you press is rampage.
So it just blends everything
plain glen
I've been pugging 5-mans as prot for torghast 8, it feels faster
naive panther
pastel sleet
where can you go to see how much value you are getting out of brutal vitality?
uneven mason
Going to be doing HC Sludge prog - should I just solo tank it?
or does his enrage become nasty
pastel sleet
you are certainly a beefier man than i if you can solo tank it lol
uneven mason
Just poking at numbers, his raw melee doesn't look horribly scary
IDK
not with block
undone jacinth
I suggest you do it
uneven mason
I'ma give it a try
undone jacinth
and link me to the logs
uneven mason
💪
pastel sleet
(waits in corner for evidence of the mad lad acually doing it)
(knowing he will go down in 4 globals, 8 with shield wall)
sterile moss
lol I was actually in a pug on hc sludge where the other tank died on pull and for some reason stayed dead
I made it until enrage
pastel sleet
that is impressive
uneven mason
I'm assuming his giant fists works on the same mechanic as Fetids 2ndary attack
uneven mason
its 5 yards
I mean if they give me a hug
thats on them
but you're not wrong
(I used to intentionally kill DHs on Fetid mythic)
better answer is "melee in 2021?"
cedar rose
What are the BIS defensive trinkets?
undone jacinth
isnt last stand without bolster just one of the worst spells in the game
undone jacinth
cant understand it at all
mighty valley
Feels like a relic of a time when all tankbusters were tuned to oneshot a normal tank healthbar
And pure stam was king
lofty widget
it's hardly changed since vanilla
uneven mason
its a heal now
¯_(ツ)_/¯
IDK if it can still crit or if they fun detected that
but at the start of BFA it was a 1min CD 30-60% heal basically that gave you 100% block for 15s
lofty widget
nah it cant
uneven mason
but now its a longass CD again
at least the "Block" is actual shield block
so you can't overlap
lofty widget
2 minutes CD is fine tbh
grizzled forge
pelagos still best for us?
lofty widget
yep
spark warren
Any thoughts on Gluttonous Spike trinket from Hungering Destroyer for us? Can't seem to find much about it other than people saying it's pulling extra mobs in M+ and like one DK who said it did 3% damage and 5% of his healing?
undone jacinth
its just fine
just a middle of the road trinket
use if you don't have one of the big boys
lunar jackal
endurance conduits for keys are the same order?
spark warren
mmm thanks, got a vault choice of a 220 dessia's decapitator or heroic gluttonous spike, i do heaps of M+ tanking for my guild so i'm tempted by the trinket but also think i should take the weapon and just get another trinket later, the fact that no one says it's a mind blowing trinket isn't selling me on it
lunar jackal
unnerv > stalwart > brutal?
sweet summit
yeah
sweet summit
mmm thanks, got a vault choice of a 220 dessia's decapitator or heroic gluttonou...
that trinket isnt exactly godlike, id just take the weapon tbh
undone jacinth
mmm thanks, got a vault choice of a 220 dessia's decapitator or heroic gluttonou...
definitely the weapon my friend
spark warren
Thanks guys, appreciate the input.
swift sandal
I use it because I don't have an alternative, I can send you logs if you want to see the damage/healing output through heroic nath and some mythic bosses
outer solstice
yeah same I haev some logs with the spike
--> if you want to check on the spike dmg and healing, both quite nice but just tiny bits all over the fight @spark warren I'd go with the weapon as well:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/52302631
cinder nova
You guys go haste/vers or haste/crit for your missives?
undone jacinth
haste mast
cinder nova
Why? Just for the DPS?
mighty valley
DPS sims always end up showing Mastery #1
cinder nova
By how big a margin?
I might start gearing haste >> mast > crit=vers if it's big enough
finite prairie
For me atm mastery is weighted 2-3x every other stat for dps
finite prairie
But I'm low on mastery tbh so its probably weighted a little heavier. I'm also high on crit
Just have to sim your own stats to see, but I bet mastery is pretty far ahead
cinder nova
All my GV sims in the last three weeks have told me to pick slightly lower ilvl pieces than the highest ilvl upgrade because it was Mastery heavy and did the most DPS.
So I'll assume that's a yes.
acoustic willow
Thanks for the Torghast Tips S, I'm gonna go in as Fury and play around with it!
undone jacinth
im extremely high mastery and its still 2x every other
but I dont want to go in to DR
sweet summit
you have 12% baseline
strange socket
Any Night Fae Prot Warriors in here?
sterile moss
chilly brook
Any Night Fae Prot Warriors in here?
Yes
strange socket
Im looking for Insight on NF Prot warriors..and pushing keys
chilly brook
More than capable
strange socket
I dont really like Ven or Kyr, which everyone seems to be
chilly brook
And roughly on par with Kyrian
undone jacinth
the only time you will be sad is necrotic weeks
strange socket
Im really bad at using the spear lol. and I really feel like the CC from Aftershock is considerably better for casters
chilly brook
It is
strange socket
And I can off-spec in NF better as well I suppose. I just havent seen very many high pushing Prots..and zero NF
cinder nova
Most of the high prot in M+ are venth because they raid arms/fury
sterile moss
aftershock is great to help shut down those packs that pugs can't be bothered to interrupt
chilly brook
My group hasn't been willing to push when it's a good time to push
strange socket
Condemn cant possibly be that much of a game changer, can it? I read the dps on it isnt much higher than execute
ionic fern
Again...they are Venthyr because they raid as DPS.
chilly brook
Condemn is the best arms/fury covenant
ionic fern
For DPS warriors Condemn is good.
sterile moss
Definitely not a game-changer in m+
sterile moss
for prot
mighty valley
cinder nova
They aren't speccing venth for prot
cosmic charm
how important is ilvl on weapon? i got 207 crit mastery and 200 haste vers
cinder nova
They spec it because they main fury/arms and M+ as prot
strong forum
how important is ilvl on weapon? i got 207 crit mastery and 200 haste vers
ilvl is everything on weapon
chilly brook
how important is ilvl on weapon? i got 207 crit mastery and 200 haste vers
Very
cinder nova
On everything but rings/trinkets/amulet ilvl > all
cosmic charm
so go 207?
strong forum
yes
chilly brook
Yes
cosmic charm
ok thank you
chilly brook
Stop worrying so much about haste/vers pieces
The only thing you should ask yourself is if it's a higher ilvl
Outside of trinkets
strange socket
Thanks for the input fellas. Back to NF I go
chilly brook
Stam is doo doo
I mean more stats is more stats
You can be picky about stats when you have options imo
cinder nova
Stamina isn't worth giving up ideal secondaries
The reason ilvl > all is a thing is because str
not stam
limpid pawn
ok my buff suggestions:
cinder nova
And because our secondaries are similar
cinder nova
They nerfed duration
mighty valley
right, but our secondaries are similar enough that you should usually take the big ilvl upgrade for jewelry
silent grove
Bring back sunder armor!
limpid pawn
bake in bolster, add last stand back into anger management
rotund parcel
cinder nova
Only when you're looking at something with a massive ilvl disparity
Like a 187 up to a 207
If I had to pick between a 200 with haste heavy and mast and a 207 with crit heavy and vers
I'd use the 200
mighty valley
Same, just seems like people panic when faced with 207 mast/vers vs. 200 haste/vers or something else closer in value
anyway yes i would also like a huge slate of enormous buffs lol
cinder nova
I'd keep both and use the 200 for prog and the 207 for parse
silent grove
Last stand heal never feels meaningful
chilly brook
And because our secondaries are similar
If our secindaries are similar then theres no real reason to sac more secondaries for more optimal ones while gearing
The difference will be so incredibly small anyways
chilly brook
Last stand heal never feels meaningful
That's because OG last stand is stuck in OG WoW design
Bolster should have been baseline
And AM should have been as well
silent grove
Even talented to have shield wall with last stand
chilly brook
But then again that's smart design
limpid pawn
huge mitigation gaps are a huge no no
silent grove
But also I suppose a last stand+ignore pain combo does put you right back in the right
blazing condor
What trash mobs do you wanna spear as a kyrian in NW ?
cinder nova
The item or the kyrian spear
limpid pawn
while fighting boss #2
blazing condor
the one you pick up i meant!
limpid pawn
you can launch spear at adds but make it go through the boss
mighty valley
oh anyone can pick that up, not just kyrian
silent grove
Anyone can pick up the shiny things on the ground
mighty valley
I guess that is confusing - the Spires spears are the unique kyrian mechanic
cinder nova
Tank should be using the anima sphere
It's basically a free pass on a single set of adds on boss 2
Amrath is a cunt on tyr
mighty valley
for fortified weeks, depending on comp, the necromancer before 2nd boss is also a good candidate to get speared
icy dirge
226 crit haste shield or 210 Decanter of anima charged winds
chilly brook
Yes I know it's not always an option I'm just being me
limpid pawn
yeah necromancer can be a great target
for that one, CC the caster on the side if you're not doing it
and nuke necromancer
mighty valley
gotta imagine 226 shield is the choice by far
limpid pawn
the 210 decanter you can actually farm in m15's
mighty valley
never seen a shield in the vault, crying in the club
chilly brook
Your literal single most important piece of gear
limpid pawn
the 226 shield is only from mythic raids which is like 1 shot
chilly brook
Is your shield
icy dirge
thank you !
limpid pawn
is unbridled fury still good?
cinder nova
?
narrow sparrow
the pot?
undone jacinth
hmmm might have just found some sick plaguefall tech
limpid pawn
how much worse is it than phantom fire?
narrow sparrow
223 crit/big verse ring or 220 haste/mastery pants?
narrow sparrow
197 pants, 203 ring
undone jacinth
pants all day
chilly brook
Pants
cinder nova
Pants.
narrow sparrow
ok thanks
errant granite
When I look at warcraftlogs for M+ and see tank “stats”? What is that telling me? What do those numbers mean?
uneven mason
Absolutely nothing
strong forum
too hard to explain warcraftlogs for m+
or well, rather irrelevant
basically, this shows highest keys done in a very fucked up metric
by class
errant granite
I hear that and understand that but I’d like to be able to at least tell the guys on my team where the numbers come from even if they are wrong 🙂
Ok. That’s helpful
Highest keys done on time?
mighty valley
it roughly correlates to the population of tanks at the tip toppest key pushing levels
errant granite
Is there some kind of healing taken number?
Ok. So more of a representation number
cinder nova
Yeah, and it's a pretty imperfect metric at that.
errant granite
But surprised prot Paladin is so low
errant granite
Under any calculation. Representation, dmg done, keys completed. They still seem to get a lot of play
cinder nova
Classes with more play are going to, statistically, see more tanks at higher keys. It's the same kind of behavior for why you see more pro soccer players coming out of high density populations than low density ones.
A larger pool of potential players increases the likelihood of exceptional ones emerging.
mighty valley
what levels of keys are your team doing?
cinder nova
13-15.
mighty valley
was more asking honu, whose team seems concerned with these numbers haha
cinder nova
^
errant granite
We could take any tank and be successful. That’s the argument I want to make 🙂
cinder nova
Those numbers are definitely not what anyone should be looking at.
You don't need that metric to know that.
upbeat crypt
How important is kyrian for m+ tanking
cinder nova
If they can't compartmentalize that easily, they're probably just aping the opinion of their favorite streamer pushing the bleeding edge of high keys.
At which point, it does matter.
errant granite
Our prot Paladin is worried and thinking he needs to consider rerolling, but we won’t do higher than 14s
narrow sparrow
then literally any tank is fine
errant granite
So I want for reassure him with data where I can
And like so many he goes to warcraft Logs and is like wtf?
narrow sparrow
I'm not even good and I tanked a 14 at 202 ilvl last week
simple mural
Hey, I'm 3rd on my realm. Now what?
mighty valley
Just show your paladin some of the heroes https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Regya#season=season-sl-1
cinder nova
Get 1st
mighty valley
here's someone doing 20+
pliant prism
cry with me.. im a Maldraxxus Tank u.u
simple mural
Ugh that sounds like work
cinder nova
You made your choice, Khey.
You ask me to weep for a man who willfully shoots his own foot.
I will not waste my tears on a fool.
pliant prism
hahah
torn stump
If you're playing Maldraxxus war you're S-tier in our hearts
because you clearly give zero f's
pliant prism
but its so fucking cool
the first maldraxxus war tank on raider.io is 148 rank lol
from azralon
errant granite
Thanks guys
pliant prism
it will be hard, but no imposible to achieve my 15's, I hope
cinder nova
Now would be a choice time for one of those predictive Morgan Freeman voice overs.
uneven mason
Before the end of season 1 warriors should have 0 problem clearing 15s
undone jacinth
necrolord isnt gonna hold u back from 15s bro
uneven mason
it might hold you back from being able to tie your shoes
uneven mason
Necrolord - When looks are more important then braincells
torn stump
Necro will dominate with style points while the rest of us pretend we're as cool for picking useful covenants
undone jacinth
fleshcraft is legit
uneven mason
So I forgot to swap out of Dreamweaver
undone jacinth
just nothing else is
uneven mason
legit shit
cinder nova
To quote a Necrolord
plain glen
let's be honest, we all want to be necro wearing leaper leggos
cinder nova
"I'll believe it when I see it"
uneven mason
"Oh, 4 second cast time on ignore pain, this is like BFA alpha"
undone jacinth
thats not how u use it though obviously
pliant prism
but you have a fucking Banner in ur back! And u throw it to the ground!! (?
uneven mason
Its not in your back
pliant prism
oh
cinder nova
The best way to describe Necrolord is when you charge your banner and throw it into the ground, it doesn't pierce it through hard enough and just falls over.
And then you fall over not long after.
sterile moss
:keksquad:
echo carbon
But hey, at least necrolord warriors aren’t in the cult of smurf of the OwO club and I’m hedging that the covenants with super low representation will get buffs
echo carbon
I could see something like “enemies in banner range deal n% less damage while in range instead of the health buff, and take it off the GCD that would go a long way. I also think y’all underestimate the shield on the swap off that 9/10 fights have
pliant prism
*- *
undone jacinth
and make their soulbinds not complete trash
undone jacinth
thicc
sharp herald
niceee
uneven mason
if it was a 1min CD
silent grove
Or
uneven mason
it would be
silent grove
Not a channel
silent grove
Oh
pliant prism
its so badass, i love it
silent grove
Plus the mounts look sick af
uneven mason
I swapped to NF from Venthyr, legit depressed about losing my golden Batbeardog mount
also I can't Xmog my shield
since its the PVP one
sterile moss
I don't like the NF mog at all 😦
pliant prism
also Abom Factory!
silent grove
I liked nf story the best and I feel pretty bad for them
But yeah I wasn’t gonna go nf
solemn magnet
ooooo baby!
lofty widget
how big is the absorb on that?
solemn magnet
23,942
lofty widget
oof nice, big gratz!
solemn magnet
the kicker is, i have 2, 200ilvl trinkets OR i take the 207 CN token for shield. i have a 190 shield
what do
lofty widget
damn that's tough luck, but the shield will probably make the biggest difference in the end
limpid pawn
b
solemn magnet
shield may be easier to get tho? =\
steady spruce
tfw mists +15 is the last key you need to time for the mount
Any tips for last boss? should you kite it around the room or something?
solemn magnet
which pvp trinket you use?
strong forum
I'm tempted to loot weekly now as arms
silent grove
Which i guess isn’t super useful for raids
strong forum
Cuz I have 226 weppy and 220 shield
solemn magnet
is the on use max hp pvp trinket better than get out of jail?
strong forum
Na
U always use get out of jail or less cc duration + hp / proc / primary on use
Depending on comp
undone jacinth
Any tips for last boss? should you kite it around the room or something?
I just keep it close to the entrance to the room so it has to run some distance to activate the mini event
other than that it's down to people to bring you the adds and to not get hit by swirls
strong forum
I just sit in middle
Dodge shit
And if people have adds and the fixate ends, they bring it to me
Or earth ele :^)
steady spruce
Can you taunt the adds btw?
strong forum
Only after the fixate ended
steady spruce
ooh
strong forum
iirc
undone jacinth
you just get ppl to bring them close
to nuke them down
they are a distraction
ppl run from them but they are nothing
strong forum
Yuh
undone jacinth
the swirls are the killers
steady spruce
Tuesday night pugs are the worse
weekly reset night
weekly reset is wednesday on eu
undone jacinth
ye
I get all my weeklies done on saturday
pretty sure I just found that freedoms make you immune to wretched phlegm damage in PF
seems like some nice technology
undone jacinth
yea thats why I think that might be good tech lol
strong forum
Holy shit that slow tilts me
steady spruce
is that true?
spark mortar
That stuff sucks.
undone jacinth
I tried pre-freedoming myself and I took no damage
strong forum
If you are full melee group Thurn, yes
If you have alot of ranged, you want to kick
As the ranged players lose dmg by dodging
undone jacinth
it's just up to your group as to whether they prefer to dodge stuff or deal with the other mechanics - normally the other mechanics are harder
spark mortar
Seems like Celestial vs Lightless is the choices we have on weapons going on. Is there a reason someone would favor one vs the other?
strong forum
Lightless for more aoe dps
Celestial is more defensive and general use
But still very good
I'm using celestial cuz tanks are fucking paper
steady spruce
Question, on the targeted missile on tredova can you heroic leap far away so further missiles also go far away?
narrow sparrow
the last boss of mists
steady spruce
a.k.a my nemesis for some reason
strong forum
It'll scare your dps
Just sidestep once
Having random green puddles yeet through the arena
Will fuck over other people
Don't do that
Just stack them tightly
steady spruce
yeah i don't know why people have trouble on that boss
he can be scary on tyrannical tho
spark mortar
@strong forum yeah I favor Celestial personally. If I got another weapon of equal level I might slap Lightless on it.
We did that last boss of Mists during Tyrannical. Once you learn how to not move it goes smoother.
fallow mortar
Celestial also sims higher for me. Idk why, but it does and I am thankful for it
narrow sparrow
is there a weakaura or otherwise to tell if a bosses swingtimer is active?
fallow mortar
Swingtimer?
narrow sparrow
kinda like swingtimer for melee dps but the opposite
telling if the boss is going to melee you or if they are doing something else
fallow mortar
I never heard of swingtimer, so that is why I am confused lol
narrow sparrow
idk some people use it, its just a bar that shoes when you're going to autoattack
but I'm asking about the opposite
maybe its not possible
fallow mortar
But DBM should be all you need since it tells you when the boss is about to do an ability