sounded like ya did so prolly misunderstanding
#protection
signal plover
lusty grotto
your SS will refresh with devastator anyway so no reason to hold back
or with TC
or with haste
or with its natural cd
sweet summit
he said if ss was on cd
void moat
To be clear i was simply saying hold 2 charges of SB is fine especially if slam is on cd and hasnt procced
sweet summit
take a moment and re-read nim
void moat
Thats it
void moat
That was my entire point
undone jacinth
š¤¤
void moat
It was just an evolving discussion about stocking SB. With the only case being if u wanted some more damage out of ur slam
Which can be quite important for damage in a boss fight
lime urchin
ive been wondering what the correct way of kiting is here. melee dps are not allowed close to these doggo's when I start kiting?
void moat
Unless its something like densthrius or sludge
chilly brook
Only time you hold shield block is if you're basically gonna waste it
void moat
I would never waste a second on SB there
chilly brook
And there's no reason to not do that for every boss
void moat
Do u agree its sort of just a flow u get used to when u notice it?
I wanna encoursge other prot warriors to look for those things
It makes a world of difference
undone jacinth
ive been wondering what the correct way of kiting is here. melee dps are not all...
they are, although the mechanic is a bit inconsistent
void moat
Mhmm
chilly brook
You learn the pattern and you play better around it
lime urchin
so I noticed, and I am wondering how to do it correctly
undone jacinth
you just kite, pretty simple
lime urchin
they are, although the mechanic is a bit inconsistent
so I noticed, and I am wondering how to do it correctly
undone jacinth
maintaining aggro is the key
signal plover
the block charges and playing around em is great*, tying shield slam into that consideration when it potentially means you lose a cast of SS because of procs is counter productive tho
chilly brook
ive been wondering what the correct way of kiting is here. melee dps are not all...
You kite, and if you're in comms tell your team you're kiting before going so they can use utility to help and keep things grouped
strong forum
If you have 120%+ aggro you can safely kite
lime urchin
You kite, and if you're in comms tell your team you're kiting before going so th...
Yea, I am not worry about the aggro - its about leaping away and the doggos swiping my friend the fury warrior, while I am still on top of the threat list
undone jacinth
they only swipe if youāre losing aggro
chilly brook
Not your problem
strong forum
If you're talking about the gorgons, they don't do attacks on others unless you lose aggro
lime urchin
no dolphin, that hit anyone that is close to them
lusty grotto
yeah ive had that happen
lusty grotto
actually
strong forum
If the mob is rooted, they will hit targets in melee range
undone jacinth
I can show you many pulls where they cast nothing, but threat is t the same as aggro
and roots are different
strong forum
If they're not rooted, they just follow you
lime urchin
so if they are rooted, the switch to closest target - that was my misunderstanding then!
strong forum
I'm not entirely certain on the rooting mechanics tbh
undone jacinth
rooted behaviour is inconsistent
strong forum
But there is some interaction
lusty grotto
root in retail = highest threat
lusty grotto
root in classic/vanilla = closest target
lime urchin
@undone jacinth in my humble amount of pulls it also feel very inconsitent, hence why I am poking yall for advice :p
lusty grotto
ive had them swipe melee while kiting
but - and this is not proven at all - it seems most of the shit is frontal
strong forum
Depends on the mob, the gargons however im sure don't do shit while kiting
undone jacinth
with rooted mobs there are some mobs that will just melee anyone but usually that isnāt the case, but there are also cases where mechanics get dumped on people, but the general rule is that the dogs are fine if you kite them
lusty grotto
once we had it happen, my dps just stayed behind them
strong forum
Some mobs, like the rapier wielding Bois do frontals
lusty grotto
and it never happened again
undone jacinth
as long as someone isnāt over 100% threat
undone jacinth
but they can be over that threat without pulling aggro
strong forum
Ya idk they never did shit in my case on others
That being said
I ran that dungeon like 6 times total
So my experience is limited
lusty grotto
well look
undone jacinth
Iāve seen it happen but a vast majority of the time they cast nothing
lusty grotto
tbf it happened once for us
early in the expansion
so idk
but my dps knows just to stay behind them
just in case
lusty grotto
so if it happens it is def not common
well dude i play with friends so
fuck me right
strong forum
Yuh same
lusty grotto
they made me gear the vdh so im fucked
undone jacinth
also if someone gets the bleed and dies then fuck it, the pack is still dying
lusty grotto
remember in bfa when people kept saying "they made me gear the BDK" in s1
strong forum
Rather have a dps die than the tank
lusty grotto
yeah i hate it
but theyve become the elitistest fuckers
and getting pugs as prot is aids
strong forum
Cringe and bluepilled...
lavish oracle
Make 'em gear some ranged
strong forum
Cuz he complains about MM hunter doing 2k dps more by just existing
undone jacinth
ele shams are actually good though
undone jacinth
yeah but mm hunters have to actually create level and log in to a Hunter
strong forum
So he is naturally behind by 20% by playing the wrong spec
*class
It's actually so sad
trim bay
hey guys. whats a benchmark for SB and demo up time in keys?
chilly brook
they made me gear the vdh so im fucked
The transformation into toxicchip is just completing tbh
This is the final form
strong forum
Ye
lavish oracle
There's no magic number @trim bay
undone jacinth
maybe just play better noob
lavish oracle
Too many variables
undone jacinth
crit more
strong forum
He's pretty decent at ele, purple/orange logs in raid
lusty grotto
thanks i hate it @chilly brook
undone jacinth
well yeah if youāre just bursting 15s then itās different
fire mage and Hunter burst is like...
not fair
undone jacinth
just put him on pride duty
lavish oracle
Balance kinda feels like that, if shit just dies immediately, it's very sad
Without CAnvoke anyways
With CAnvoke you just delete everything
chilly brook
thanks i hate it <@!133532617940140032>
At least it's not blood dk
lusty grotto
At least it's not blood dk
i would quit
chilly brook
The boomie in our group is always slappin
undone jacinth
what kinda boomies you playing with
chilly brook
Idk what he does
undone jacinth
they are nuts
chilly brook
But he always slaps
lavish oracle
Their damage just has ramp time
chilly brook
I've only ran with like 1 lock that's worth bringing tho
undone jacinth
yeah I feel like warlocks need to know what they are doing more so than other classes
however Iām pretty sure even if a shadow priest knows what they are doing they are still complete trash
lavish oracle
It's quite a few globals of setup in AoE, sunfire, trees, wrath(x2), starfall before you can even start really aoe-ing
undone jacinth
I like how you added trees to make it seem longer lol
lavish oracle
You need trees to get the asp for starfall
undone jacinth
if youāre playing trees in m+ and not pooling for starfall you are a baddie
lavish oracle
Aight, w/e
lusty grotto
wheres my hall of fame sc
undone jacinth
I am main Druid sadly š¦
glacial skiff
how much rage do you get from ravager total?
strong forum
60
glacial skiff
thinking it may be the play for being slghtly undergeared in raid
vs into the fray
glacial skiff
even for like dance boss?
strong forum
Why shouldn't it
undone jacinth
youāre not gonna be suffering with it but itf just gives you a lot
glacial skiff
idk pugging it atm and when on stavros alone it hurts lol
undone jacinth
itf helps you with stuff that hurts anyway
strong forum
š¤·āāļø
undone jacinth
more blocks more resources etc
glacial skiff
are ppl going itf in keys now?
i still feel ravager is better, mostly for indom healing
but also i'm a venthyr so maybe its all diff for me without tons of on demand rage
undone jacinth
I tried itf in keys for a while and if feels safer but I miss having ravager on pull for aggro
and a few more resources
strong forum
When I played itf I felt no differ3nce
Except that going back to ravager felt better
From rav to itf didn't notice anything
undone jacinth
I noticed my SB refreshes and just cast frequency but it wasnāt enough to stick with it
outer solstice
lol our MT gquitted because she was not prepared for denathrius hc,... yaaay tanking along some 194 alt š¦
chilly brook
lol our MT gquitted because she was not prepared for denathrius hc,... yaaay tan...
Wat
How do you quit because you're not prepared?
outer solstice
raidlead called her out
chilly brook
It's not like the fight is that difficult to learn
outer solstice
yeah but being unable to put the cleaning pain on the group ...
or moving in time for the ravage
quite major things
she hasn't even tried it or killed it on normal,... meanwhile we're doing denathrius hc and hungering M ...
outer solstice
we've put a raidmarker for the group to be at
chilly brook
But not moving for ravage
outer solstice
not stack on tank
undone jacinth
normally there is a location you want your tank to have it in
chilly brook
Everyone should be near the boss anyways tbh
undone jacinth
doesnāt matter
chilly brook
Just moving in front of the boss isn't exactly rocket science
undone jacinth
tanks job is consistency
outer solstice
yeah but you should already be in position before the pull up
undone jacinth
like you face it to the wall or something
outer solstice
yep
outer solstice
we had set spots for consistency, always the wall
chilly brook
Consistently
chilly brook
But after that you're not trying to aim towards people
undone jacinth
it sounds like she was just putting it wherever
outer solstice
yeah
chilly brook
Saying "being unable to put the cleansing pain on the group" makes it sound like it was her job to aim it towards people
ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
undone jacinth
indeed
chilly brook
Aiming it towards people and making sure it's always facing the wall aren't the same but I digress
One is full responsibility of one player the other is shared
outer solstice
we're aiming at a world marker on the wall
should be absolutely ez
but yeah wasn't the only thing š¦
so sad
lusty grotto
people should know to watch their stacks and move to the front
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
positioning, though, i do agree its a tank's job
undone jacinth
not sure how you fail to get out of ravage
sick sentinel
what does the underlined text portion mean
undone jacinth
It means it does some damage to you
lusty marsh
U get hit
chilly brook
people should know to watch their stacks and move to the front
That was the only point I was making
sick sentinel
300 doesn't seem like a noticable hit at all, even if it could crit would only do 600 points of damage
chilly brook
But uhh still sounds like a yikes from me
undone jacinth
itās not a big hit, thatās the flavour of the trinket
lusty marsh
It's not meant to be a massive detriment
sick sentinel
less than actually , would do like 580 ish damage
lusty marsh
It's basically mini manastorm mechanic
sick sentinel
maybe when we have ilvl 500 again, it will deal enough to worry about?
lusty marsh
I'd sacrifice 10k health if it gave me more crit point per point.
chilly brook
I'm thoroughly convinced most people play tank just because they don't have to realistically do that much because everyone expects the absolute bare minimum from tanks
undone jacinth
this is not the expac to play for an easy ride as tank xd
lusty marsh
Wait what? I feel like everyone expects me to know/ do everything
undone jacinth
yea lol
chilly brook
Depends on the content
undone jacinth
for sure
undone jacinth
if your tank is fucking up in raid that is about as awkward as it can get in terms of people being like wtf is going on
I got killed twice on denathrius and could feel the entire raid turning on me
lusty marsh
Denathrius feels like a really hectic fight though.
undone jacinth
yea this whole patch is just tank hatred
lusty marsh
I've never gotten good practice on it because we always 1 shot normal and are on sludge in heroic.
lusty marsh
Remoria stacks you up fast too
undone jacinth
yea if you fail swaps, get hit by stuff, itās problems
chilly brook
I mean the melees are still there
But the stacks aren't bad
If you swap on every wracking
She has a significant time period in p2 of just fucking off and doing some other mechanic
P3 dot though?
Fuck that shit
Trucks
outer solstice
yeah tanking remornia and denathrius together on hc really kills you fast
outer solstice
the other tank really has to make sure to tank remornia when you get denathrius
yeah,.... but if she misses the tankswap as well
boom booom double 20k hit while at 50% HP
undone jacinth
lots of people miss it because she flies away etc
donāt notice when she sneaks back in
burnt basin
I was tanking without a lego since I main arms and it seems like fury is better on cleave and with signet. Should use my ash for TL if I want to tank keys?
lusty grotto
just get a r1 TL
if your focus is fury, i mean
remember demo shout is effective against any type of damage, so its worth having demo shout up as much as possible
burnt basin
Signet is r3
I figured tl was best for magic dmg
I main arms but will be playing fury with signet on Sunking, generals and denathrius
burnt basin
10-15 range
undone jacinth
if you main dps in raid then I would just get the signet to 4 and use that as Prot
undone jacinth
if ur tight on ash
lusty grotto
if you care about defensiveness
undone jacinth
Or make another Lego
astral crystal
š
undone jacinth
if you wanna tank more generally then wall would be the better choice because itās not as limited to m+
but u will be fine with signet
just depends what your priorities are
dusky sentinel
anyone know a good WA or addon to track party members cds?
lofty widget
zentracker+nnoggas party cd front end
puts the cooldowns of your party members next to the party unitframes
and you need the lib: groupinspect-1.1 addon for it to work
undone jacinth
I started using omnicd because itās less clunky than the nnoggie stuff and itās been pretty good
dusky sentinel
is the nnoggas stuff a WA?
astral crystal
omnicd better doe
chilly brook
I was tanking without a lego since I main arms and it seems like fury is better ...
Either The Wall or Thunderlord. They're both good and Thunderlord won't be that important vs magic damage in comparison to The Wall
It's really just down to preference for the most part
And I really wouldn't advise you use signet tbh
dusky sentinel
Thanks on the feedback
chilly brook
@lusty grotto I feel dirty for enjoying my monk
chilly brook
BrM slaps too tbh
lusty grotto
its solid sure
lusty grotto
i feel they are punishing us for our dominance since bfa s2
well since s1 actually
for us non-meta fluffers
chilly brook
Like I can pump a respectable amount
But in order to be even remotely comparable I basically have to throw defensives out the window
undone jacinth
bear doesnāt have a window to throw them out of š¦
mental oasis
so how does a a tanking noob learn generally tanking
chilly brook
Well
lusty grotto
do dungeons
undone jacinth
going in to dungeons and doing it is the main way
cinder storm
Does the spear in SoA works for the second boss?
mental oasis
thanks all š
cinder storm
Thanks
peak iron
Is there anyway to make us more tanky. I keep getting destroyed unless I run. Then loose agro cause I canāt build rage.
chilly brook
- what content are you doing
peak iron
Just done a mythic 9 and got my tail handed to me.
chilly brook
You shouldn't be having too much of an issue in a 9
undone jacinth
ilvl? talents? what packs? etc
chilly brook
š
sick sentinel
85+ ilevel parse on Heroic... Sadly no ilevel high enough to pump big overall yet
chilly brook
I promise I'm actually intending to do more m+ vids
This last week just sucked and was busy
sick sentinel
You the Best!
chilly brook
Raging is such a stupid affix
undone jacinth
it's difficult to decide what the worst affix is
or how many of them aren't stupid
jolly thistle
Iām running with two druids and a rogue, what is this raging everyones talking about?
undone jacinth
excluding bolstering as that is the clear winner
chilly brook
Iām running with two druids and a rogue, what is this raging everyones talking a...
Must be nice
jolly thistle
Tyrannical is the worst of them all
jolly thistle
Also where the f... is the protw dmg buff. Spamming revenge/execute to keep up with a BrM is just bad class design
peak iron
The problem is the class aināt tank enough at this point.
I use standard warrior set up with bolster instead of am 203 ilvl.
In necrotic wake stuck on second boss.
astral crystal
lol
second boss is pretty much the hardest of all m+ bosses
it's not a warrior problem, it's a group thing
you pretty much need to CC both mages
and not deal with them at all
and have good prideful timing for it
jolly thistle
time prideful and keep as much items as possible
peak iron
Without the old haste loop I canāt see warrior pushing to 15 without serious help.
astral crystal
... i have keystone master with a few 16s timed
chilly brook
Without issue
astral crystal
and im not the only one
chilly brook
2nd boss in NW just sucks ass
jolly thistle
Yeah me too. Itās possible but more effort than in previous seasons
chilly brook
Especially without CC
But that's everything
If you dont use the tools or do the mechanics you will fail
lofty widget
save a spear and lust and pride, that boss will melt in less than a minute
chilly brook
Sheep/trap/shackle/imprison/paralysis the mages
chilly brook
Why would you orb there though
toxic gyro
And glaive
chilly brook
When you could just
toxic gyro
Bc boss is harder than trash
toxic gyro
You need hard cc
chilly brook
You're telling me you don't have at least one class with a long CC?
peak iron
So your saying warrior aināt as bad in the mythic plus as itās being made out?
chilly brook
It's definitely not
toxic gyro
I only run 14-17
spare cobalt
I timed 18/19s itās not that bad
lofty widget
warrior is still strong in m+
spare cobalt
Dh just better
chilly brook
I have a monk, a priest and a hunter in my party
jolly thistle
The adds are undead afaik... imprison and sheep wonāt work
chilly brook
So CCing the adds isn't an issue
astral crystal
yeah there's wars with actual big boi keys past 15/16, and while vdh is tankier in every aspect right now, it's also a group comp/group play thing
nothing new there
lusty grotto
yeah
astral crystal
no, vdh is noticeably tankier
toxic gyro
You can kill all adds with 1 glaive too if u throw it properly
lusty grotto
def not tankier
chilly brook
I.e. be in a for a little bit do huge dam and leave
lusty grotto
the kite meta does not define tankier
astral crystal
kite meta for sure, but vdh dmg reduc in general is very very good
astral crystal
you just get dookied outside of spikes
distant crystal
with fiery legendary + talents and demonic you have pretty huge uptime on brand/spikes/meta
astral crystal
yewah fiery brand build is obscene
spare cobalt
Yeh but everything is half and half it feels like @chilly brook
lusty grotto
fiery brand + meta is damn good, but yeah i have to agree its not nearly as tanky as war is on phys
chilly brook
Yeh but everything is half and half it feels like <@133532617940140032>
It's more like 60/40 or 70/30
Depending on dungeon
distant crystal
and a lot of the "tankiness" is just self heals
chilly brook
Granted Vengeance has always been more tanky than people ever gave it credit for
distant crystal
i wonder if they've fixed grievous stacks being removed by consuming a soul
before next week
chilly brook
Wat
spare cobalt
Eh just like some of the mobs tank busters are just so dumb that way lol. Plaguefall š©
chilly brook
distant crystal
that was a thing last grievous week lol
astral crystal
PF so ez
chilly brook
PF mob abilities are dumb
distant crystal
the story of plaguefall this season for me is getting to last boss with time to 2 chest
chilly brook
At least spell reflect works on a lot of them
astral crystal
i think all the bad mobs you can cheese with borers
distant crystal
and then no-chesting because everyone takes turns being 2heads and getting slapped
undone jacinth
yep that last boss life
spare cobalt
In that second room on 18 I died like 4x even doing the cheese lmao
undone jacinth
common curse
chilly brook
I do kinda miss my DH
distant crystal
I miss my warrior š®
distant crystal
warrior's still 50 wearing triple BoM :*(
yeah VDHing with disc/shadow alt rn
and just got my druid 60 last night
chilly brook
Part of me feels like getting my DH to 60
Just to get KSM
But then again it's not me that's holding the group back atm
undone jacinth
thought you had ksm?
chilly brook
It just happens to be one of the only options atm that actually has carry potential from a tank standpoint
chilly brook
Never did have KSM nor claimed to
distant crystal
full sockets and m nya bis'd out
chilly brook
I've done 15s just not timed
undone jacinth
you shouldn't have any trouble getting it this week
gonna be super easy
as in this coming week
chilly brook
CBA to do this end of year employee evaluation
tardy parcel
that's some bullshit
chilly brook
"Provide a competency rating as well as select supporting behavioral examples of the results"
Please
Smh
tardy parcel
behavioral examples: "i've ran 15s AMA"
lime urchin
What is this KSM yall speak off
lofty widget
keystone master, all dungeons timed on +15 or higher
sterile moss
cinder storm
Does Piercing Verdict upgrades only drop from world bosses?
lofty widget
up to a certain ilvl yes, then you can only get upgrades from ven'ari
woven trellis
hi im playing arm pvp and warprot, all guides say pelagos is the best tree for those
i dont know how to compromise and which one dedicate to arm pvp
to keep pelagos for the other one
suggestions?
chilly brook
I mean you can just swap the conduits
woven trellis
yeah but
i do both everyday
and it costs
3 charge everyday
doing that
its not viable
woven trellis
well
thats my plan yeah
thats why i was asking
if its better to use war arm or warprot
as kleia
chilly brook
I mean pepegos is just big dam for both
Plus magic mitigation even if it's small
Kleia is second rate for both
Tbh
valid zodiac
So what would be second endurance conduit to go for? I'll be getting another slot this week and I'm using the Last Stand rage gen as first one
lofty widget
stalwart guardian fo sho
chilly brook
Yea that one
valid zodiac
Alright. And after 200 ilvl is Venari the only way you get higher ilvl for conduits?
undone jacinth
3 charge everyday
you only need to change 1 slot right? the 1 potency slot later in the tree
and you could just leave a dps potency in there and sacrifice it for prot, it's not needed for prot
spark mortar
Question for our Bastion peeps - do you macro the Spear or free throw that bad boy?
chilly brook
Cursor macro
lusty ember
Should I be main tanking sludgefist or just soaking? Other tank is vDH
spark mortar
Main tank that bad boy, block will serve you well.
undone jacinth
doesnt really make a meaningful difference if you tank or OT
spark mortar
As long as the damage is split, but you can at least block the Fists.
jagged pier
stalwart guardian
spark mortar
Anyone try to use Kleia instead of Pelegos?
undone jacinth
you can block whether you're OT or MT
and yea used kleia on necrotic
but not much reason to otherwise
jagged pier
only use kelia in nerco week tbh
chilly brook
So if you want to min max
chilly brook
Should I be main tanking sludgefist or just soaking? Other tank is vDH
You would ideally want to main tank
Because rage on melee
Fists at least used to not give rage
But operating on the assumption that it wasn't changed main tanking would be the "best" option
undone jacinth
unless you're with a druid or a monk
unless they also fixed those
yea so elusive brawler does work but earthwarden doesnt from logs
undone jacinth
to exit
my favourite for pride on to third is to basically go over the bridge, kill two big guys, kill the 2 little guys and then invis pot to the necromancer before the boss, kill that, do the pride, then circle back and do 2-3 more packs
lusty marsh
Any hardware nerds in the tank chat.
young glen
Stone Legions - sometimes Wicked Blade debuff is applied on the offtank who is not even in range
No idea why
Same placement every time
Happens 1 out of 10
steady spruce
@undone jacinth sure but after doing that i have the pride one pack before third so i'm asking a route :p
chilly brook
<@!132546192105144320> sure but after doing that i have the pride one pack befor...
Theres no real way to get prideful for the 2nd boss and have it for the 3rd boss
jagged pier
Stone Legions - sometimes Wicked Blade debuff is applied on the offtank who is n...
it probs went through him
chilly brook
Your last prideful will always be on trash before 3rd boss
If you want to have it for 2nd
Which you do
steady spruce
ok
thought there was a way
thanks for the information š
Can you pick up weapon while invis
undone jacinth
can you see this
thurn?
and that is very wrong, you can get 2nd and 3rd boss pride
chilly brook
You can get 2nd
undone jacinth
I get 2nd and 3rd every run
chilly brook
And pride on the adds working up to 3rd
undone jacinth
yes and then when do you think the final pride comes
chilly brook
Like 2 packs before
chilly brook
Side note but pride is awkward on 3rd boss
undone jacinth
its not
jagged pier
link route please
jagged pier
nope
jagged pier
it works
undone jacinth
I just changed it some
to make it clearer
in terms of pull order
because I just did 60% as one big pull
it should be updated now
one pull is 3 packs that you would never do together but I couldn't be arsed to make 3 pulls
it's just to show where to path
chilly brook
steady spruce
@undone jacinth didn't seem to work :/
undone jacinth
try the the one further down
steady spruce
oh yes it works
chilly brook
Hmmm
undone jacinth
it's bugging out a bit but pull 8 should be the one you get pride on, pull 9 gets you to 68.9% and then pull 10 is everything upstairs to 100.7%
tardy parcel
i might be dumb, but how are you managing pull 9 without the other adds? are you just CCing all of them?
steady spruce
@undone jacinth it's perfect thank you !
undone jacinth
np just remember to use the orb on pull 6 lol
undone jacinth
i might be dumb, but how are you managing pull 9 without the other adds? are you...
there's no other adds - you have killed the necro pack in pull 8 and then you can just do the marauder pack after the boss then the big guy after that
oh wait I see waht you m ean
it didn't tag them
just take out the big guy
and put in the 3 smalls in that pack
tardy parcel
tight
undone jacinth
I was wondering why I had to pull him because I don't usually lol
undone jacinth
I think routes are easier now that invis pots are so much less costly
tardy parcel
indeed
undone jacinth
my PF route is my best one but it's pretty straight forward
nimble drift
so my guild took this week off raiding
because we didnt kill sire last week
after many attempts
they're all very demoralized. its annoying cuz i can pug that shit, i already got aotc, but I'd prefer to be in a guild thats just doing 10/10 easy each week
not sure if I should join a new guild or just struggle in pugs till they figure their shit out
jagged pier
well if your guild is not at the progress you want you have to move
strong forum
kek
cinder nova
Love it when I lose my Spires key to DPS not knowing how to walk out of charge.
undone jacinth
not a big fan of dps players are you
tender copper
Could someone take a look at this? feels like i'm getting slapped by sire
Any tips would be helpful, i've only switched to prot due to not wanting to recruit a tank
heady gyro
anybody use 5 healers for mythic huntsman?
ionic fern
Could someone take a look at this? feels like i'm getting slapped by sire
Why do you feel like that?
It's a solid mix of magic and physical damage.
You only used 1 SW on your last fight tho. š
tender copper
Yeah i realised the SW usage is low
i've not got used to its short cd, i always feel like if i use it ill be fucked when i need it
ionic fern
š
You should use it more liebrally.
Doesn't look like you dipped too much tho. š¤·
You could try to pool some Rage and use more IP's during the dips + SR for the magic damage reduction in general when viable.
tender copper
I forgot SR works damn
ionic fern
You can also swap AM for Bolster if you find yourself not using SW that often.
It gives you another solid defensive CD.
undone jacinth
not entirely sure what's going on with ur healers
they are all sitting at 50% mana after a 9 minute pull
dunno how that is possible
tender copper
Yeah i think i might try that for the next one
I have no idea, i didn't pay much attention to them?
undone jacinth
I mean there's nothing particularly off about the damage you're taking
but your raids damage is really low so you're getting a massively elongated fight
which means you're just gonna run out of resources more and your healers should be included in that, except somehow they just aren't using much mana
tender copper
I mean i know very little about healing tbh
But my damage taken is fairly normal?
The other 9 felt really easy compared to this
We have to stop dps on p1 but seem to have nothing by p3
graceful cobalt
How good is that Legendary that give shildwall to all Party Members?
undone jacinth
we had a similar thing happen early on and all we had to do was change peoples mind sets to focus more on boss damage and less on adds
heavy sail
Far too many green and gray parses.
9 minutes for denathrius is going to be untenable
Unless your healers are gods ig
tender copper
Yeah the fight feel like it goes on forever but I wasnāt sure if that was normal or not
undone jacinth
you want to aim to push before 3rd add wave
heavy sail
Itās a long fight on its own so itās normal to feel like that, but the DPS is behind where it should be
undone jacinth
as a baseline
heavy sail
Dolphin speaks true
undone jacinth
but even if you are getting 3rd wave, just take it slower and kill all the adds
heavy sail
If youāre getting the boss into execute though, youāre probably right there just needs a slight bit of tuning
undone jacinth
so u go in to p3 with no adds, easier on healers and less chaos
heavy sail
Like less sloppy mechanics or optimizing certain things
tender copper
We go into p3 with 2 fresh adds every time
heavy sail
But 15% is like right there
undone jacinth
yea u want to avoid if u can
tender copper
Iāll try to get them going more single target on the boss for the next raid
Hopefully a week more of gear will get us over the line
heavy sail
Feel out when you think Lust brings the most value
Probably during the add phase
And pump away
tender copper
Isnāt it always best to use lust last phase?
heavy sail
But using it to hit DPS breakpoints to avoid mechanics is totally fine
undone jacinth
you only lust p2 if you can 1 add wave it
heavy sail
My guild did it all the time during prog
undone jacinth
if you are low on damage and not understanding add priority to begin with you will just need it in p3
and for the extra healing pump as well
the p3 damage check is quite tight if you don't have everyone alive and playing smooth
tender copper
Yeah we never have everyone up in p3
I have no idea how people seem to die to everything
undone jacinth
well that would be the thing to fix š
usually comes down to either bad players or bad calls
tender copper
I canāt kick the whole raid
heavy sail
Well if youāre the raid leader the solution isnāt to kick its to teach.
tender copper
Itās different people every kill someone just dies to something dumb
tender copper
Iām not the raid leader, i just find it frustrating when people fuck up and donāt just say it
heavy sail
When it comes to that kind of stuff, like the more social aspect of things, it really comes down to leadership and personal accountability. If you donāt jive with the culture of the guild and are frustrated with your players maybe itās time to move on?
Just food for thought
tender copper
It might be, we were fine up to this boss but 45 pulls in I feel like thereās little progress, like still people die I p1 somehow
Thanks though, Iāll let you all know how it goes after the reset
heavy sail
Please do, best of luck man.
open monolith
what does the anima crystal shard do
oh that's the thing to build the hammer for that one mount
regal yacht
Which is a better tanking trinket?
Anima Field Emitter or Darkmoon Deck: Indomitable both at ilvl 200
regal yacht
Thanks
proud oracle
Do we dump Rage into anything? Or are we supposed to aim for high uptime on defensives and therefore never/rarely get the chance to cap on Rage? I'm a complete smooth brain, so apologies for the smooth brain question
tardy parcel
revenge or ip if you find you are capping rage
paper bane
Should I be using SB borderline on CD assuming I'm getting physical damage on me? Over IP?
astral crystal
well, not on CD, make sure you try to overlap as little as possible
paper bane
So I should rarely use IP and SB at the same time?
astral crystal
weave both
have SB up while taking physical damage, throw in IP when you have rage to spare to further smooth it out
paper bane
OK nice, cheers
rigid edge
Hey guys I'm kinda late back into playing War, Kyrian is the way to go?
rigid edge
Thanks š
mighty valley
what is it?
steady spruce
You can get 100 of them to get a mount
mighty valley
ah, neat
steady spruce
i don't care about SD, NW is the hardest onTyrannical
astral crystal
only hard boss in sd is the second one
same with NW š¤
first boss in SD you can cheese pretty hard by ranging the orb spawn
iirc your group gets ~80 yards away before the cast
and they dont spawn orbs
steady spruce
i find third boss in NW to be a pain
astral crystal
stitchflesh? what about him gives you trouble?
steady spruce
dunno, too many zones, too many adds at the same time
seems like pulling him right back as he escapes might not be the best strat as adds spawn sooner
dunno where to put him to get good zones on the group and still be easy to pull him back
also weird bug where 2 adds spawn at the same time
dawn imp
does the neck follow the ilvl rule like the rest of the gear? if so, which neck would be 'better' to use ? not sure how important maintaining 30% haste is
lofty widget
i'd probably play the 213 one if you have that much haste
mighty arch
What trinkets is everyone using
lilac sleet
Hymnal of the Path / Blood-spattered scale
tiny inlet
anything i can get my hands on since loot never drops
lofty widget
viscera and quantum device
steady spruce
203 Blood Splattered scale and 207 Stone legion heraldic (Want to change the second one )
astral crystal
207 scale 203 anime
steady spruce
must be nice!
chilly brook
@jagged pier
Looks like you still can reflect
Just finicky
I knew I wasn't crazy
fringe patrol
Quick question, if I take Booming Voice, should I ever use Revenge since it costs Rage now?
steady spruce
yes
fringe patrol
any particular situation, like how much Rage I have or something like that?
steady spruce
Your rage will either be used for Revenge or Ignore Pain
So if you need to build threat and aren't in danger ofdying, you might want to revenge
If your IP stacks is overcapped you probably want to revenge
fringe patrol
sounds good, thanks
steady spruce
you'll find by practise how to use wich one
there is a good weak aura that can show you when you will Overcap your IP
fringe patrol
okay, I will grab that
steady spruce
For example on Pride it's kinda weird cause you want to help the healer by using IP but you also want to kill the pride quickly and help with revenge, but it's kinda weird
the IP/execute is another hard choice ahah
empty locust
In 15 keys i've not used execute more than a few times. using all avail rage to stay alive most the time
It kind of feels bad, i would really like to use it more for fun
wary pulsar
Gael how high are you pushing
empty locust
15s
wary pulsar
question if u dont mind me picking your brain...im doing 13s-14s....feeling like im absolutely getting slapped...DOS 1st 2 packs seem to basically one shot me through block and wall
any advice?
empty locust
Kite a lot
heavy sail
Yeah execute is a bit of a luxury, almost wish it was a cooldown and didnāt cost rage but then that gimps it a bit in other content
lofty widget
those two should be kited 24/7
heavy sail
^
lofty widget
not cause of the casts but because of the magic melee attacks from the skeletons
wary pulsar
so how are you guys keeping aggro? dropping ravager?
lofty widget
charge in dropeverything then single taunting on cd
lofty widget
i like to use shockwave to stay in for a couple seconds longer, let's me grab more aggro
wary pulsar
ok tht makes sense...im normally arms and protting out of necessity
heavy sail
Unless your group is pumping an insane amount of DPS usually your initial offensive CDs will be enough to hold on while you kite
And if not you can expend a defensive like shield wall to go back in and grab more
Thereās lots of options basically
wary pulsar
i think my problem is im used to tanking on my druid so my abilities let me face tank for bit...doesnt work on warr
lofty widget
i think it's an interesting shift in meta
astral crystal
i'd rather this than vers III degeneracy
lofty widget
^
wary pulsar
so heres another one...when you're IP stacking do you wait until sheild wall is up? or always try to have at least a stack
shield block not wall
heavy sail
Guardian is a bit antithetical to that, because their durability scales an unlimited amount.
astral crystal
sblock + swall = even more mit
heavy sail
Like the larger the pack itās ironically better and easier to survive
heavy sail
I donāt know how well guardian does with high keys because Iāve never seen one tbh
wary pulsar
sort of...so if im low on rage and i have shield block ending...i should essentially wait until shield block is lamost up to IP?
lofty widget
if you are low on rage and shield block is ending you should recast it if you have a charge (and yorue taking melees ofc), if not cast IP
empty locust
There is no real hard and fast rule, you sort of need to plan it out each pull depending on the size of the pull and the damage you are taking
heavy sail
Tbh if you have no charges of SB and limited rage gen/no immediate rage generating cooldowns
The answer is to last stand/shield wall or GTFO
empty locust
So for example, first pack in DoS, i generally get in, drop spear etc and get in as much damage, drop shield wall, pool some rage then start kiting while asking the group for CC
if i'm low at range i drop a shield trinket/IP
wary pulsar
ok gael iget the id a bit there...i need to get a scale thats hurting me too i dont have great trinks
empty locust
The sire trinket is really great also
heavy sail
Yup
wary pulsar
yeah cheat death on a warrior is valuable for players where im at/learning
empty locust
just don't wait long to kite, its east to make the mistake and get low and run out of rage
heavy sail
If you can hold aggro and take no damage, thatās the play.
Unless youāre in a situation where you can stay in and pump some dps
Fairly rare if youāre pushing 17+
sullen drift
i have the trinket from DoS and i dont remove it ofc and for 2nd trinket i have 2 choices Gluttonous Spike and Anima Field Emitter waht you suggest ??
lofty widget
emitter is very nice
heavy sail
Thatās a tough one actually
sullen drift
gluttonous spike is 213 ilvl and emitter is 203
wary pulsar
i feel like gluttt would be strong when you're face tanking and doing dps, but how much oif that are u able to do right now is the quest
heavy sail
Iād say spike is probably better but itās tough.
lofty widget
haste will probably be the best in that scenario, both offensive and defensive
but you can probably play either and not be held back by it
wary pulsar
is anima emmiter a ground affect?
lofty widget
it's a light blue cirlce on the ground
sullen drift
y
heavy sail
Spike is pretty underwhelming overall but the healing is welcome to a spec that has pretty much no self sustainability.
I donāt know how impactful it really is though Iāve never had it drop
wary pulsar
thts one thing to consider then...if its a lot of movement maybe run with spike...if it's shriekwing or hound master something like tht run emitter
heavy sail
I do know that a haste proc is very good but itās a tough comparison
sturdy sable
It's like 2%ish DPS and 10% healing at 213
heavy sail
Thatās not terrible
sturdy sable
The trickle healing won't save you and the damage is meh but it's better then some trinket lol
heavy sail
Itās kinda hard to weigh against haste for defensive though
sturdy sable
Or a healer
wary pulsar
lol tht too
sturdy sable
Bandaids!
wary pulsar
i dont trust those nowadays though
rocky helm
Any suggestions on venthyr soulbind to choose?
sturdy sable
The one that gives you the haste proc is what I run
heavy sail
Pretty sure draven is the shit
rotund halo
people taking AM or Bolster for Sire?
sturdy sable
I imagine when he's all unlocked
heavy sail
I think Draven might be the best overall soulbind even
But then you have to play Prot with condemn
sturdy sable
Atm you really only get the on death explosion
rocky helm
Nadjia is the haste one
sturdy sable
Prot with condemn is fine in raids you only really feel not having spear in keys
And even then
A good warrior doesn't need spear to hold threat
lofty widget
people taking AM or Bolster for Sire?
Bolster, block uptime is needed on that fight
heavy sail
It helps a lot, generates rage, and phial is a lifesaver
sullen drift
i think ill use emitter on raid and glutt spiek for m+
heavy sail
In raid condemn pumps
Thatās about it
Like I hardly cast execute in keys, I just donāt have the rage for it
rocky helm
Yeah its my alt, but ty all for the info, Iāll try Nadjia and Draven both
Rules out Theo š
sturdy sable
I execute pretty often even before I went venth
silent grove
same
lofty widget
most fun ability to press tbh
sturdy sable
Inside cooldowns you can spend rage more offensively
lofty widget
love getting those 5-digit crits
silent grove
im not there yet
rocky helm
Oh yeah and legendary. The wall? Or thunder one?
rocky helm
Iāve read up on em but I like asking people too
sturdy sable
Signet for maximum DPS
silent grove
do you guys do any prot pvp?
lofty widget
tanks shouldnt be played in pvp
heavy sail
Nope
rocky helm
Cool š thanks
lofty widget
except prot paladin???
heavy sail
Prot is for holding aggro on mobs not for PvPing
Prot paladin isnāt balanced properly right now
lofty widget
arms is pumping in pvp atm tho, so youre in luck
sturdy sable
Veng is also nutty in arena
heavy sail
The value of Prot or Veng will go down immensely as the xpac develops.
silent grove
ret pally/arms also looks nasty
heavy sail
The thing that makes them good is surviving the overwhelming burst and then using some externals.
That wonāt be relevant when gear and tuning catches up in a few months
At least thatās my feeling on it
lofty widget
The thing that makes them good is surviving the overwhelming burst and then usin...
in pvp?
lofty widget
yea i agree
supple falcon
Legendary question - If I'm strapped for time and doing and even split of raid and M+: Level the Wall or TL?