and also not feeling like I need to play 4 characters
#protection
open monolith
undone jacinth
I'm doing one character per faction and kinda like that
open monolith
I would if I had the time.
kindred warren
YouTube so much less of a hastle
undone jacinth
that's why I'll never have my warr as night fae as well
open monolith
even my main alt is... also kyrian LOL
undone jacinth
woopsies
open monolith
what can I say, the 2nd class I found most enjoyable to play is holy pally
open monolith
meh. I like ashen hollow
but divine toll is just.. so consistently good and available
open monolith
yeah it's an awesome CD
open monolith
lol yep
undone jacinth
idk what necro pala even does
open monolith
if they just made the banner do some damage when you throw it down, maybe also stun on use
it wouldn't be quite as awful..
and lowered the CD
...
kindred warren
Or you know.... travel with you
undone jacinth
it might be ok
open monolith
i don't even really care about the fact that it is stationary.
undone jacinth
give it a bigger radius and lower the cd and it might not be too bad
kindred warren
So spear
undone jacinth
the weird thing is it got nerfed a few times in beta
like as if a better version of this would actually be good
kindred warren
They all got nerfed but you couldn’t switch covenants
open monolith
I remember when I was leveling through the campaign, I usually forgot I even had the banner during the maldraxxus part
so low impact.
undone jacinth
you just cant have something that low impact on a 3min
if its 1:30 or 2min
people would at least use it
the conduit for it is good
open monolith
dolphin, find 2 other warriors and convince them to make judgment of the arbiter
we'll do a quad warrior + 1 healer judgment of the arbiter m+ run
it'll be great.
open monolith
oh right. that is an issue
Nome, convince your shitty group to all make judgment of the arbiter and stream it for me
there we go
undone jacinth
I just wanna see the animation but every youtube video is a blur or doesn't show it
open monolith
i hope it is REALLY obnoxious and clutters everything.
astral crystal
so low impact.
same, i never used the banner leveling through maldraxxus
undone jacinth
yea I want lightning everywhere
open monolith
or that blue/white-anima-beam everywhere
undone jacinth
like a permanent night fae mage power but lightning instead of blue
open monolith
well after I get rank 4 wall on tuesday, I'll have 2 rank 4s and I can considder making a rank 1 judgment for the loles
I don't see myself playing arms or fury, so I probably won't make signet
undone jacinth
signet master race
divinity is downloaded so I need an excuse for raid tonight
'healers suck sorry'
open monolith
DOS:2?
undone jacinth
2 yea
open monolith
never played it, heard good things
undone jacinth
I played the first and 75% of the 2nd with a mate
but we stopped
they are amazing
so I wanna redo
open monolith
i get... stuck on big RPGs like that
like.. I just lose interest and never launch them again
undone jacinth
I usually play once, get overwhelmed, don't play for 2 years, then come back and no life it for weeks
undone jacinth
I've gone back to witcher 4 times and I get bored every time
skyrim hooked me once but its overrated for sure
witcher imo is the most overrated game ever
combat is awful
open monolith
yeah but you can make sexy time with busty video game ladies
undone jacinth
fair enough
open monolith
okay, time for a truly PROTECTION WARRIOR related conversation
Personal GOTY 2020, go
undone jacinth
ori and the will of the wisps
outer solstice
we starting this evening it seems
undone jacinth
or death stranding
outer solstice
block up for the big hit for sure
sweet summit
reflect expunge, make sure you have block up for overwhelm
undone jacinth
block everything
outer solstice
@undone jacinth stardew valley
open monolith
@outer solstice When the big blue circles come out that drop orbs, make sure you have aggro (taunt if necessary) and don't move. When the orb appears, hit spell reflect and just get rid of it
sweet summit
🤷♂️
undone jacinth
you get a decent amount of downtime so just plan ur blocks nicely
outer solstice
@open monolith yeah I mean things that change for Myhtic
undone jacinth
tanks don't really have a lot going on
open monolith
things just hurt worse
outer solstice
so mostly help ppl out with the absorbs and play perfect, nuffin else?
undone jacinth
keeping him very still is about the biggest thing you can do, and keeping your hp high
open monolith
"tank swap on overwhelm" is mongo
sweet summit
oh nvm im dumb yeah that works
outer solstice
damn I haven't checked in hc if intervene get#s rid of the stacks as well...
on the boss
sweet summit
doubt it
outer solstice
it would make the boss so much easier tankingwise ^^
open monolith
he's already pretty giga-easy in terms of tank mechanics
undone jacinth
wait what renown is this week
sweet summit
24
undone jacinth
thank fuck
outer solstice
?
outer solstice
undone jacinth
also assume it was mentioned above but spell reflecting the orbs
is a significant tech
open monolith
yap. helps keep the boss stationary.
undone jacinth
you can drop your own orb then go clear a melee one
open monolith
most of the melee can clear their own at some point
spell reflect, cloak, turtle (lol survival), AMS, divine shield
fuck monk and DH apparently
undone jacinth
and feral
signal plover
@outer solstice taunting during the overwhelm cast makes the tank dam much less spiky because the boss sometimes melees alongside it for a big burst.
signal plover
taunting during the OW cast solved those sporadic issues for us (we noticed it on heroic and made the adjust, helped for mythic as well)
he also has a lot of "baits"
so getting the timing for block right helps a lot
outer solstice
yeah getting block timings right is essential, but not that hard
wild rampart
I have a 203 crit haste and a 200 crit vers ring and Im thinking of replacing one of them with a 197 haste vers, is it worth it? or is the gain minimal?
outer solstice
rings don't have primary stat so it might actually be worth it
you guys think it's worth it to use spellreflect in between to reduce the heal from hungering strikes?
wild rampart
oh yea? I'll give it a go mate, cheers, thanks for the answer @outer solstice @strong forum
undone jacinth
you guys think it's worth it to use spellreflect in between to reduce the heal f...
would always spell reflect the orbs
undone jacinth
unless you've got some dope cleaning strats
strong forum
i feel like expunge does more damage than eating orb sometimes
dont think it matters which of the 2 you actually reflect
the only merit of reflecting orb over expunge is the knockback imo
undone jacinth
yea if you're fine taking 1 without then would maybe say just to take 2 and sr the first
strong forum
i never clear more than my orb
outer solstice
is it worth to hae SR up to reduce the damage from hungering strikes? so that he heals less? or only to time it with other spells?
strong forum
na, boss heals very little if you swap regularily
i once went up to like 35 stacks cuz cotank died and res was like 2min away
but "only" healed like 500k extra
peak iron
I know the fills. We need some buffs I think.
hardy radish
it's just weird that they took all of our toys and smashed them and gave us, what
we can use ravager now i guess?
that's cool and all
open monolith
only buff I'd like to see is either: damage tuning for more DPS, or lowered rage costs on IP and Shield block.. again so I can press Revenge more
hardy radish
but oh well it's been dwelled on enough
open monolith
defensively, we feel fine
open monolith
yeah i don't think SB uptime is the play
strong forum
we do need more damage, especially ST, and if that happens, we're in a really good spot
open monolith
agree
strong forum
paladin dmg is illegal though
open monolith
Avatar really does need to have a defensive aspect
strong forum
find the prot pally
open monolith
kek
I would be good with Avatar activating like... a super enhanced second wind
just give us a shit ton of HP regen during it... like Muradin in HOTS
strong forum
looking at the parses
i really only want damage
rest i can deal with
just gimme me more damage
open monolith
I know, damage is definitely something we need
but like, there are fun QOL stuff we can dream about
sweet summit
give BoM
open monolith
THUNDER CLAP INTERRUPTS DURING AVATAR (this effect can only happen once every 6 seconds, to avoid bullshit UF shenanigans)
signal plover
you guys think it's worth it to use spellreflect in between to reduce the heal f...
SR expunge ticks when actively tanking during it, eat ball after swap. SR the ball if you're about to taunt.
open monolith
I always taunt for the orb abilitiy
I make the other tank run out so I can keep the boss still
signal plover
means fewer orbs out at the edges too
open monolith
speshul
strong forum
we never moved out
if youre the active tank, eat a healthstone / SW
and SR one of the things
open monolith
yeah i usually do
im always the active tank because I always taunt it lol
but that's, again, playing around our speshul tank
open monolith
that is true
there's also a completely fucking useless "this potion attempts to dispel 1 diesease and poison"
undone jacinth
ah found it
open monolith
guess what, it never fucking works
open monolith
anti stun on xymox?
undone jacinth
yea
open monolith
does xymox stun on mythic or something?
undone jacinth
traps
undone jacinth
it should work
open monolith
worth a shot though
undone jacinth
if it doesnt I'll be flaming ion on twitter
open monolith
i mean you should be doing that anyway
undone jacinth
I like ion
hes a good lad
we're low on trap immunes so need the game to do its job
signal plover
oh on xymox, SR works on an overlapped set of traps only like...60% of the time lol it's super sketch to try
and u have to run into it before they activate
clearing one is izzi
open monolith
yeah. I'm assuming he wants an extra trap clear utility to get rid of abunch of them
signal plover
quantum box trink should also work if u have access to it and wanna save
undone jacinth
I wanna clear a full set
every immune should be a full set
sr is just like a back up thing
undone jacinth
fuck trusting IQD lol
open monolith
i just realized i never us it for that
undone jacinth
yea
open monolith
oh sick
I'll stop being a retard and actually use it
anyone else scare their raid leaders by not leaping out with glyph until the last second?
strong forum
just be the raid lead and leap out in last second
open monolith
lol nah, I have had a lot of raid lead experience in the past
I enjoy just chilling and pressing revenge now
SERVER FIRST LORD GREENSCALE KILL BTW
......in RIFT
.......
🙂
undone jacinth
moving mechanics out early makes me sad
open monolith
"....sock I hope you're gonna move that glyph out"
"Maybe I will. Maybe our healers need a wake up call"
undone jacinth
moving out with the portal debuff and sitting there for 5 seconds
watching my dots fade away
=[
open monolith
I have a secret love affair with my guild's disc priest
he life grips me back from glyph
it makes me so happy
undone jacinth
that sounds like that god awful heroic portal placement to me
doing pugs and the portal is fucking 5meters away from the boss
which goes to a portal that is also 5m away
finite coral
How are people doing the halls of atonement ghost room with explosive this week?
astral crystal
killing explosives
open monolith
Lust the miniboss and kill him, also an option
finite coral
are people just nuking the boss ?
strong forum
Ghost room?
astral crystal
lusting miniboss no bueno
strong forum
Ah you mean, after 3rd
astral crystal
on tyrannical week
strong forum
Just have everybody do orbs 🤷♂️
finite coral
Yeah just feels like millions of them spawn all over the place
astral crystal
yeah i did a 15 the other day and we didnt really have issues popping orbs
strong forum
You're supposed to split up anyway
astral crystal
the adds themselves should die fairly quick since it's not fort
finite coral
Do you split up into quadrants? Ive always taken one quarter at a time
strong forum
You split up
astral crystal
we did half and half
strong forum
We did 1 each
finite coral
ah okay interesting
strong forum
Everybody picks their corner
open monolith
no no that's the wrong strat
just have your 3 boomkins starfall the whole room
ez
strong forum
Sssh
open monolith
Oh, nome I need you to do something.
strong forum
Room clear in a few seconds
open monolith
I need you to bully your group into grinding ascended rep to Revered
and have all 5 of you make Judgment of the Arbiter
and then stream it so I can see if it is as broken as I hope it will be
strong forum
That ain't gonna happen
strong forum
My rsham is autistic and hates memeing
open monolith
okay, then have the 3 dps and you do it
strong forum
And hates doing damage
open monolith
i bet it's actually like, really strong
strong forum
It's hard to minmax
Cuz you need to minmax positioning perfectly
Every pack
But it would make a great video
open monolith
I wanna seeeee itttt
heady ivy
How much can you overlap circles on mechanics where you have to spread out (like quaking or mordrethas add summon)? I was keeping them completely out of overlap but seeing videos I see people overlapping them quite a bit, so you just have to not get a character model inside your circle?
astral crystal
as long as your character isn't it the other person's circle you're fine
but you should always try to just not stack
heady ivy
Hmmm that makes sense, thanks!
open monolith
make a ven diagram
heady ivy
Yeah but for mordretha for example it is beneficial to have the adds spawn close ish
astral crystal
you can form a non-intersecting olympic symbol for example
heady ivy
So knowing they can somewhat overlap is good intel
astral crystal
and the adds will be close enough to just dumpster
heady ivy
Tyty
dusky musk
which should be used..shadowcore oil, sharpening stone?
open monolith
whatever is cheaper. Pretty sure they are super close
sweet summit
They are close, oil+phantom fire is better on ST. Stone+str pot is better in AoE
open monolith
oh man
I just thought about using a sharpening stone
and I just got this like, super weird rush of nostalgia for monster hunter world
and had this weird vision of running a dungeon in the style of monster hunter
and now im really upset that doesn't exist
i think i need to go play some MHW
jolly spindle
hazy fern
I am a 210 warrior I am 9/10 heroic. I am stuck on denathrius he hits me so fking hard. Any advice on this fight?
sweet summit
Any particular points in the fight where you struggle?
hazy fern
Okay that could help I might have turned away couple times
sweet summit
Yeah you kinda want to have a cd or external rolling when you move through the mirrors, or at least have high hp
strong forum
swap on every wracking pain
swap on 5-6 stacks of shattering pain / swap for tank mechanic if other tank doesnt have stacks
and what erga said
hazy fern
Okay I will keep this in mind next time I run it tonight thank all
open monolith
does spell reflect still work on wracking pain
chilly brook
I am a 210 warrior I am 9/10 heroic. I am stuck on denathrius he hits me so fkin...
Keep in mind he just hits hard period
Your healers will need to be on their game
If everyone else is doing their job in p2 and not being idiots they dont have much else to worry about
chilly brook
does spell reflect still work on wracking pain
Nah, outside of just being a DR
open monolith
hmm, did they hotfix that?
and... not mention it?
also, your avatar discord is out dated, bro
didn't you hear he got cancelled?
it's very important to subscribe to cancel culture
lest you be cancelled, too
hazy fern
With everything going according to plan, Should I be okay to tank him at 210 ? It feels kinda rough like I’m hanging on by an inch of my health bar sometimes
hazy fern
Okay just gotta keep the mechanics clean and it’ll be a rap
open monolith
if you're barely hanging on you are either just not pressing your buttons
or your healers aren't pulling their weight
nobody wants to be the tank healer because it doesn't look as impressive on the logs.
hazy fern
10 4
heavy sail
When I’m tanking I set two details windows for HPS/DPS so I can know in real-time what the issues are.
open monolith
when I'm tanking I pin Netflix to where my chatbar would be because tanking is braindead
heavy sail
open monolith
Of course yogi would get a higher ilvl hakkar trinket before I ever see one
of course this would happen
jagged pier
I havent seen one ither
but granted ive done a huge pvp push this week
instead of being stuck at 1600 im now stuck at 1700
open monolith
I beg everyone in my group while doing DOS to go tank spec
still never drops
if I get offered a 220 shield and a 220 hakkar trinket
I'm gonna hesitate
heavy sail
The only class/spec I feel valuable with is holy paladin.
I’m dog tier at everything else
Apparently arms is good but you wouldn’t know watching me play it sadge
open monolith
Yeah the spec is good... the player has to be good too :p
jagged pier
I fucking suck at arena bro
so do I but if you keep your win rate at 51% you will still climb
heavy sail
It’s weird though because in BGs and WPVP I clap cheeks
I think it’s just the type of players that queue for Arena that just dominate me
open monolith
that's because those people aren't geared for PvP, most likely
heavy sail
That could certainly be part of it
open monolith
plus WPVP is just people with warmode on for PvE bonuses that you are ganking
and BGs are just PvE casuals wanting to do weekly quests
Arena is where you actually find people who care about PvP, thus your getting rekt
jagged pier
I dont mind it and ive found a few healers along the way who are cool to play with
ones you find them like there no flames in loosing etc we just chill discuss what when wrong
open monolith
I just find it horrible. I absolutely abhor WoW PvP
jagged pier
i must admit your healer be one shto by ret paladin or ww or frost dk through duel is a bit annoying
but when im one coms and shit im just having fun
oh and the only way ive found to kill a warlock is to stand on pillar for 12 mins
so the healer cant do aything about my burst
eternal musk
holy pally and go arms
its broken af
check the healer disparity in awc lol 20 holy pallies like 5 each of disc and rsham get urself a holy pally and push with mortal strike for the win
its nice because as tank you are probably already have a good base of versatility to work from
through just pve
jagged pier
its only broekn if the people know what to do
jagged pier
ive had holy palys who dont know hwo to play the game
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
im not gunna lie the transmog is a big factor
grizzled lotus
reading Sense's awesome Spell Reflect guide
the two columns are "Reflectable" and "Blockable"
Reflectable means = does damage and Blockable means = doesn't?
or does it literally mean "shield block"
strong forum
Blockable means shield block works
grizzled lotus
mmk
strong forum
Reflectable is explained in the extra notes on the right
strong forum
If it reflects, deflects or w/e
ancient pasture
trying to gear up after rerolling prot warrior. Everyone says PvP is great to catch up on gear; is Prot the move for PvP, or should I be doing Fury? never played arms tbh
strong forum
Arms
Fury is and always will be a meme in pvp
And tanks are just cannon fodder in pvp unless you're broken like prot Paladin
vestal moat
Next week we unlock either a Finesse or another Endurance slot for Pelagos. What should i go with for keys? Would be either Unnerving Focus (rage gen during LS) or Inspiring presence (rallying cry 30% boost)
vestal moat
ugh
1p is really bad if you dps in raid, which i do.
i ned to just set up an optimjum path for both dps and tank and stick with it. maybe the middle for tank and left for dps
lofty widget
you can change path tho
so have a dps path with 2p 1e 1f and a tank path with a bit more defensive choices
vestal moat
yeah. only thing missing is a dps path for tanking low content.
blazing condor
how big fight-radius does Tarvold have in sanguine depths?
like how far away can you drag him if needed
blazing condor
i doubt you'll need the entire ring but better to be safe
Also for the vault do you get dungeon items in dungeon slot and raid items in the raid slot etc?
strong forum
Yes
blazing condor
cheers
open monolith
For the raid ones you only get raid items from the bosses that you have cleared
Dungeon ones you can get from any dungeon even if you didn't complete it
grizzled forge
If you return to old cov do you start at level you left off so if you were at 21 when you left if you go back are you back at 21
sick sentinel
doesn't seem to be on GCD
viral vector
not on gcd
turbid moth
is there somewhere a google doc, who can show all spell who can be reflect or block ?
obsidian plover
How much harder will mythic+ keys be for me (12 onwards) if i’m venthyr and not Kyrian?
wild aspen
the spear is great for kiting and high keys is all about kiting
modern gale
is there somewhere a google doc, who can show all spell who can be reflect or bl...
yes, in the pins
hot zealot
Is pvp gear viable to use for m+
lofty widget
yeah it is
cinder nova
the spear is great for kiting and high keys is all about kiting
I wouldn't say all about. This week and last is a pretty big wash when it comes to trash, and anything you can't kite you can't spear.
You can facetank most stuff atm.
Other weeks you have no choice BUT to kite.
sick sentinel
dps ignoring explosive and wiping is still a thing
cinder nova
Thankfully I haven't had that, just DPS ignoring boss mechanics or not kicking shit in trash and wiping us.
Like - we burnt so much time fighting those small aboms in TOP on a 14
Because neither fire mage could be fucked to DB the heal attack
I wanted to scream
devout pike
Hey guys i have a question: to get arms loot in the vault from a dunj, do i open it with arm loot or do i do that dunj with arms loot so it will be arms in my vault?
cinder nova
Open vault with arms loot, but you'll get all arms loot, iirc
grand drum
The former
open monolith
DB the heal attack?
cinder nova
Dragon breath
devout pike
Ah shit, i want a weapon for pvp so i thought i could cheese with some donj, rî
open monolith
Ah
cinder nova
I fucking hate fire mages right now, they're 85% FOTM spazzes with zero class or spec mastery
Just swapping because they see big numbers by experienced players
Then we get goobers that don't even line up combust with pillars on Sludge
open monolith
Does that attack get "interrupted" when stunned or does it just recast
cinder nova
I can't tell. Sometimes it casts something else, other times it spams it.
I can stun it, but usually I get the first two since they're paired with those little jumpy bastards that look like Sloth from the Goonies.
And the casts on those are far more lethal to the group
lofty widget
are you referrring the the big aboms in the "plague" area of top?
they wont recast the heal if interrupted
lofty widget
yeah
steady epoch
Planning on offspec prot, but I can decide which leggo to craft. Is the Thunderlords the go-to for M+?
graceful sundial
leaper gives us two additional charges of leap... that means: a) heroic leap has got 2 charges or b) heroic leap has got 3 charges?
remote hawk
Pretty sure its 3 since I saw a warrior using it and man that fucker coverd some distance lol
lofty widget
Planning on offspec prot, but I can decide which leggo to craft. Is the Thunderl...
there's no go-to really, but you will generally gain more from the thunderlords as opposed to the wall since youre not necesarilly pressing SW on cd, whereas you use demo on cd always
glossy glacier
you think they will buff prot dps?
lavish oracle
surreal heath
bright salmon
Took me 30+ runs to get Thunderlord
bright salmon
30+ runs of normal, heroic, and M0's
heavy sail
The drop rate is significantly higher in m+ though so I’d recommend that.
Do a few +5s or so and you’ll have it in no time
bright salmon
On M+, when do you guys decide to start kiting?
heavy sail
When you’re out of defensive cooldowns or you’re experienced enough to know the damage intake is too high for you to mitigate and be healed through.
bright salmon
So I'll likely be nuked down a few times learning M+?
heavy sail
You’ll be surprised in low keys how braindead it really is.
You probably won’t die until you start pushing
bright salmon
Highest I've run is +5
heavy sail
There’s also some mobs to look out for that enrage or have mechanics that are better kited than soaked.
The robots that cast “spinning up” and the skeletons that enrage in DoS are both good examples
DBM will usually give you a heads up about these, but I think there are a few blind spots
crude whale
so i have a question, does demo shout put out significant aoe agro when hit vrs thunder clap for example?
wondering if i should be using that first when charging into a group of mobs
signal plover
But should still use it to debuff mobs and then hit revenge
crude whale
ahh ok, i figured as much but wasent sure and couldent find info on it on line
have some people in my mythic group that constantly pull agro off me and trying to figure out why
astral crystal
Yeha what paw said, it’s still a central part of your toolkit, use it whenever it’s up pretty much
Are you running booming voice?
crude whale
yup yup, just trying to figure out that fastest way possible to pull agro on mobs around me
astral crystal
Charge > tclap/ss/sblock (off gcd)/demo/revenge/tclap
crude whale
yup i am
astral crystal
It’s kind of annoying due to gcd
Also you’ll want to have avatar up whenever possible
Helps establishing threat
crude whale
ya thats exactly what im doing, sometimes hitting rev to get a little more agro some times
hmm ya i could hit avatar before going in i guess
would be more initial agro
astral crystal
Avatar is off the gcd now so you can time popping it while charging
crude whale
has been interesting to go into M+14 and constantly get people saying ''oh wow a prot war, havent seen one in a long time '' lol
signal plover
If youre having issues with snap threat, move revenge up higher in the priority
crude whale
thats what i gifured
just wasent sure if demo was still a threat aoe like it used to be
signal plover
Are u running ravager?
crude whale
ya
signal plover
Then ya, just get to pulls first, burn more rage on revenge (find a balance between SB/IP use and revenge)
crude whale
copy, ty for the info
pseudo raptor
Burning revenge was a game changer for me on threat management. Since moving that up threat is rarely a problem.
hardy radish
man it feels bad cotanking with a prot pally and see him do like 25% more dps
modern gale
Yeah but they have to tell their friends and family they play a Paladin, so who's the real winner here
hardy radish
lol true
he's like the 3rd cotank I've had so far
everyone else just gets sick of tanking and goes DPS so we have to get a new one
vocal bison
Anyone that does tanking and pvp play around with unhinged as prot? Seems like it might be fun for juicing dps in M+ especially with ravager’s cd. Was seeing all the dps/holy pallies running prot legendary in awc and it got me wondering if there is any weird crossover that might be cool for warriors.
curious if it will actually cast two MS’s or not
ionic pewter
any tips for dealing with the rigged plagueborers slow in plaguefall without a dispel? I get killed by their explosion way too often
vocal bison
Intervene to someone further outside works well, usually healer or ranged
ionic pewter
Intervene to someone further outside works well, usually healer or ranged
Good thought, cheers
ionic pewter
Great, thanks for the tips!
regal yacht
whats a better tanking trinket
Anima Field Emitter or Darkmoon Deck: Indomitable both at ilvl 200
sturdy sable
Anima
deft bridge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:6cBTJq7zvN3MD4xf
i think i've gotten hc sludgefist down
but i was wondering if maybe you guys knew some secrets to do even better on the fight
deft bridge
aww i thought i could share the link as anonymous
there's no way to create a copy of a private guild log right?
ohh i didnt actually delete the local log hehe
imma upload that and share
so i cant upload today's but here's the one from yesterday: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WtaNBkDjTFKPY2LX/#fight=11
jagged pier
you need to work on your SB usuage
as your running AM you need to not over use SB so u have 2 charges when the boss is actually hitting you
yes there is downtime
with stomps
but that doesnt mean you can just spam away
deft bridge
i try to keep 1 charge and use the other to increase the shield bash dmg
during stun phase
jagged pier
well thats not the best thing to do for tanking
if your struggling you need to save the charges
you died to melee twice
deft bridge
yeah hehe
jagged pier
you also have 6 externals to use
deft bridge
from the healers and stuff right?
jagged pier
yes
deft bridge
what would be the best time to call for them? on pillar dest or when im low on health?
jagged pier
I used them on enrage
I actually have the rets sack after a damage phase so i can use a SB from damag
deft bridge
ahh so when the boss hits 30 the healers should start rotating externals on us
chilly brook
He has a really set rotation too if you pay attention
jagged pier
i mean he died to pre enrage
because no SB
you also used SW while having SB up
thats kind of a waste as u use it to fill the gap
deft bridge
true
i think i did better on that front today, as we spent the whole 3 hours doing the same boss again and again and i kinda got into it
so if i shield block when he's hitting and sw when sb is down i win?
is there anything else that i can do?
chilly brook
This is my 99 parse on sludgefist
jagged pier
on apredicatable fight is yikes
chilly brook
Your damage isn't going to skyrocket because you save shield block for pillar
And this is running AM
jagged pier
chilly brook
So my blocked hits could be higher
jagged pier
thats my 99 parse
I block 61%
oh and looking at my casts
if u can use SW 3 times
instead of 2
with the wall and AM
chilly brook
Once you pay attention to the way the fight is scripted it makes a big difference
deft bridge
what would be the ideal time to use sw? besides when sb is down
chilly brook
Yep
jagged pier
then SW after that
with a block
after
will get you to the second
then a SW after second pillar
and its up again in enrage
chilly brook
After the first stomp isn't there a chain slam?
jagged pier
probably
jagged pier
but usually i take both because BDK
chilly brook
Well IP
chilly brook
But ya
deft bridge
i try to always walk back in with bdk co tank
i dunno, would it be worth it to charge and take the double hit once?
chilly brook
Theres lots of baits on sludge
Chain slam
Roar
Etc.
So if you learn the pattern you take one unmitigated hit to negate taking a bunch of unmitigated hits because you wasted a charge of shield block because then boss turns around and pulls everyone in and it takes him 4 seconds
deft bridge
ahh so basically after every first stomp after start of fight or each pillar, wait for that attack to happen before block?
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
if the boss is casting no need to do anything
chilly brook
But there are stomps where right after you come in theres one melee
And then 4+ seconds of nothing
fringe marten
The other day, was talking about threat issues sometimes with aggressive dps. Someone said they toss spear of bastion as a pull for burst threat/damage (which it would do for sure) but I said you're kinda' losing out on damage because you haven't applied demo shout yet. They stated it didn't work on spear, or thought it wouldn't because it only works on our class abilities.
Just spent a couple mins on dummy and demo shout does boost the damage of spear.
chilly brook
It does
fringe marten
yup.
fringe marten
Right; I don't remember who said they thought it didn't matter because demo shout wouldn't boost it.
fringe marten
yeah that one is as simple as looking at the tooltip.
deft bridge
And then 4+ seconds of nothing
awesome
so then
if i do all this correctly it's basically perfect on my side?
is there anything non obvious that would help me?
fringe marten
You are using Punish right?
deft bridge
i dont think i should need that much survivability, using shield block perfectly should be enough
fringe marten
If you are so worried that you're trying to physically watch his animations to make sure you aren't burning blocks during larger attack 'downtimes' it seems you do need that much.
I'm guessing what this is really about is that you don't want to have to push another button for devastate?
deft bridge
I'm guessing what this is really about is that you don't want to have to push an...
yes
but also
im finding this fight really fun!
and i feel like learning to do it perfectly
i don't need it to survive but to be like reducing the most damage possible
for fun!
chilly brook
If you are so worried that you're trying to physically watch his animations to m...
Well tbh you should be paying attention to not waste blocks
fringe marten
That's cool; just saying..punish is a lot stronger than I think people realize who haven't used it while progging, or on fights that had some scary damage intake. When you get decent strings of shield slam resets you can stack 3/4 punish's
fringe marten
Because I swap between sometimes using punish (earlier in raid prog I always used it) and using devstator for M+ I'm used to constantly fluttering devastate when other stuff is down. in fact I often find myself doing it even when I have devastator talented.
deft bridge
That's cool; just saying..punish is a lot stronger than I think people realize w...
wouldn't the gcds used in devastate reduce the effect of the wall in lowering the cooldown of sw?
jagged pier
That's cool; just saying..punish is a lot stronger than I think people realize w...
we know its strong, its just not as good as you get far less SS procs so less rage which is then an added on effect because of the wall and AM
jagged pier
wouldn't the gcds used in devastate reduce the effect of the wall in lowering th...
no its doesnt cost rage
fringe marten
When everything else is down..you got nothing else to do.
deft bridge
sometimes you just gotta chill
chilly brook
no its doesnt cost rage
It would because it's less resets
jagged pier
true but i find it very rare i have nothing to press
fringe marten
Well aside from burning rage on non free revenges, or dumping rage into IP...you have tons of time (I say tons but..a couple seconds..) where you could push devastate if you are pooling rage for an upcoming block or if you WANT to play more defensively and pool rage to drop an ignore pain or whatever.
deft bridge
i try to save an ip for when he destroys the pillar
fringe marten
But that couple second window comes up pretty often...so thats when you could be using devastate if you wanted to. Devastator just makes it hassle free and one less button to smash as a random filler sometimes.
fringe marten
Yeah
fringe marten
when it's....@tm Pillar Time~ lol...you're going ham for damage
fringe marten
That's what you're saving your avatar/trinkets/racial (if you're fire dwarf or a race with a damage boosting racial)
fringe marten
And devastator has a lower chance to proc shield slam than actual devastate.
jagged pier
it does
fringe marten
you're using it on free auto's..so it's not eating GCD's, so..it's still great.
chilly brook
Lower chance higher casts
jagged pier
but you melee far more than you devastate
chilly brook
^^
fringe marten
^ yeah that's why I added that to the end of the sentence.
deft bridge
pepega slams
i feel really confident going into raid night tmr with all this new information!
Thanks everyone
chilly brook
👌
fringe marten
Right; but shield wall refresh isn't how you make bigboy a smoother easier fight...having more consistent shield blocks up is.
deft bridge
Right; but shield wall refresh isn't how you make bigboy a smoother easier fight...
enrage phase is
like if you dont have a healer on you u are deletus fetus
fringe marten
it can, and also heavy repercussions is solid in that fight too.
deft bridge
why not just bolster then?
deft bridge
No need for bolster on HD for example
heroic dena?
jagged pier
u take 100% of the time
chilly brook
Hungering Destroyer
deft bridge
ahhh haha
deft bridge
No need for bolster on HD for example
because you have a lot of non tanking time right?
sometimes we have trouble with the on tank during the explosions attack
where the circle gets really big and it's hard to get away
fringe marten
The only time destroyer is threatening is when you're the on tank, and he does expunge? or whatever..where you spread/orbs.
heady ivy
Related question, when you have bolster do you use last stand as often as possible to keep shield block up? Or is it still something you cast only if you are going low
deft bridge
i guess for once i can blame my healers hehe
strong forum
Healthstones, health pots Kyrian potion 👍
jagged pier
also that ^^
jagged pier
i guess for once i can blame my healers hehe
its up to you to ask for them
chilly brook
Related question, when you have bolster do you use last stand as often as possib...
When you have bolster you use last stand as shield block
jagged pier
Related question, when you have bolster do you use last stand as often as possib...
you use it during the time you dont have sb charges
chilly brook
If you know you're going into something that is going to need block all the time
Like a big pack
You pop it and a charge of shield block
To maximize your block
deft bridge
wouldn't doing that be a waste on sludge? i don't think the in between stomp time is as long as that
deft bridge
so am would be more efficient?
heady ivy
kk, thanks!
jagged pier
so am would be more efficient?
tbh i run AM on sludge, but that because im comfortable with the fight
I ran bolster on progression
chilly brook
I used bolster though when I wasn't as comfortable
jagged pier
^^
deft bridge
i just dont see where i'd use it
chilly brook
To cover fuckups
jagged pier
well you can use it for a whole period between a stomp and the other stomp
chilly brook
At the start of the fight for sure
deft bridge
because if i use bolster, it's gonna go down basically after he stomps, and the 2 regular sb charges are sitting there
jagged pier
they arent wasted
you never get 2 sb charges back during a stomp
its too short a time
and if your using SB aggressivly as youve said
it gives you more block up time
deft bridge
and if your using SB aggressivly as youve said
imma stop doing that
i guess i can used the saved rage on more revenge!
fringe marten
And that Judgement of the arbiter thing; if it works how we might theorize it does...it would be so OP every serious M+ team would have to use it I think.
So, if it does work like that...I think it'd be nerfed.
fringe marten
Then it doesn't exponentiate like that
where 1 person chains to 5 others...and each other person chains to 5 others.
er..4 others
jagged pier
dont think so
fringe marten
Right; that would be the way it honestly should? work...but if it did it'd be insane.
deft bridge
i think it doesnt work that way BECAUSE it would be insane
fringe marten
By the tooltip description that's how it 'should' work, where it's basically a mongo super chain lightning effect between the whole team. But then it'd be nerfed.
'If another ally who bears the signet is within 5 to 20 yards, the blast will also arc to them.." so if it followed the wording correctly it would be all 4 other people (assuming you're trying to make this some kinda' meme damage thing) so any time anyone triggered their arbiter..it would be webbing out between the whole team. I think it would be so strong that every serious M+ team would have to use it.
But I'm guessing in beta it may have worked like that for all of 1 day, or maybe they even realized before they put the effect in game to not allow it to do that.
Oddly enough maw rattle almost..ALMOST sounds cool for M+
But "after 6 seconds rat explodes" is why it's blargh~
and there's no indication the debuff stacks.
modern brook
Reading tool tips is pretty cringe ngl
fringe marten
..?
undone jacinth
that is not as strong as it sounds if you think about it properly
and when you think about how much a different Lego gives a class it gets more questionable
fringe marten
Yeah I mean the legendaries other classes are getting like fire mage etc..are very strong. But it'd be fun to see/try only if it behaved like it doesn't anyway~ it's just an excercise in wishful thinking.
I'm just waiting for the day...Illidan thinks we're prepared.
steep wraith
"If another ally" - could be taken to only be a single party member.
Compared to "All allies who bear the signet within 5 to 20 yards...."
strong forum
Atleast it's not cryptic as vit sac...
Pretty sure it's still not found out how this thing actually works
jagged pier
yer that is still annoying
strong forum
I like how they fully rework the legendary
And then just let it sit and never properly explain the legendary or pay any attention to it
"we couldn't fix it in beta so we reworked it to be irrelevant"
graceful cobalt
Hi Guys what should i choos as Legendäry? Wall or Thunderlord?
strong forum
Whichever you prefer, wall is better in raiding, Thunderlord is more dps in m+
quartz gate
Just out of personal curiosity, how many ppl in here play Night Fae as prot Warrior?
strong forum
Prolly like 20%
tight tree
Swapped to venthyr. i was not tanking a lot. Who needs spear anyway. Right?
can you remind me, who was that venthyr warrior tank streamer? Was linkeed here some days ago
tight tree
thanks
quartz gate
Yeah i dont know, i rly like NF in all aspects and it works pretty well so far in Raids and m+...
but the Min/Maxer in me always debates to go Kyrian since Spear is better for both situations... or easier... i dont know..
quartz gate
hm.. yeah... i think so too. AA is great in Singletarget with Niya imho and the problems with Movement aren´t that much of a deal.. (mostly)^
only thing spears does better is the instant Rage in either ST or MT situations
strong forum
Also being kyrian is good for dungeons since like 80% of dps are nightfae
So you'd lose kyrian bonus shtuff
lusty marsh
The true bonus.
I almost wish necro was an option.
I've never gotten the bonus in PF or ToP
undone jacinth
well resto shams and dks are pretty common
but those buffs are some of the least needed
lusty marsh
True, maybe they should buff the PF bonus to halve tentacle damage on margrave.
Maybe then pugs would rage out less on last boss.
undone jacinth
can’t remember the last time I saw someone get hit by one
even with mongos
usually just getting murdered by rain
lusty marsh
That's good, I typically run with guildies but my pal keeps complaining about it.
undone jacinth
seemed like it was one of those things that happened a lot in the early weeks then disappeared
wish they’d nerf the add damage though
lusty marsh
Funnily enough my worst dungeon experience this week wasn't even in SL.
restive flax
wish they’d nerf the add damage though
agreed, its always a little annoying when the tentacles force you to kinda face tank them for a few seconds
undone jacinth
yep and then you don’t have aggro on one and ur guy gets one shot
lusty marsh
Where do I petition bliz to move atal dazar down the dungeon list. It is not a new player dungeon. Was levelling a DH because I want one of every tank and rezan is just too much for some players.
undone jacinth
didn’t they change the totems so they just disappear when you kill them
lusty marsh
Yeah, not that boss
Big dino loa in the pit.
Who you have to los and run away from.
undone jacinth
oh I misread what you said
I assume you can probably tank a few skeles but it does seem awkward especially for a new tank
undone jacinth
no fight will be as bad as that pit of saron tw
lusty marsh
I could tank raptor skeletons all day if my healer was up
undone jacinth
well
idk you have to have some mechanics in the game
surprised it even kills though
lusty marsh
I agree mechanics are needed, and I'd be happy if mechanics matter across the board in all difficulties.
It just seemed disproportionate compared to everything else.
undone jacinth
how do they handle dropping adds on last boss or soaking pools on priestess
undone jacinth
Doesn’t priestess just fully heal?
undone jacinth
yea then the fixate should just not do enough dmg to kill I guess
zenith monolith
What's best for raids, Lightless Force or Celestial on weapon ?
undone jacinth
celestial most of the time
placid oar
Hi guys, just checking on M+ enchants.
Would going lightless actually pump more dps than Celestial?
undone jacinth
probably
placid oar
Ah okay, thank u
unkempt hazel
in m+ do I generally prioritize shield block over ignore pain on trash? like is there a situation where I prioritize ip?
ionic fern
Only in pure magic damage situations which is pretty much never.
unkempt hazel
while on bosses it's mostly about knowing what can or can't be blocked?
ionic fern
You want to have as much effective SB uptime as possible - meaning when you take melee hits you want to keep SB up.
You use CD's like Shield Wall / Bolster to fill in gaps of SB downtime.
unkempt hazel
so in short, in most encounters sb has priority
sry for dum questions, very new to tanking
ionic fern
I would say that in all encounters SB has priority.
There are very few encounters that are purely magic damage.
It's not "the one and the other" tho.
You use SB as your primary mitigation tool and try to have IP up ontop of it to smooth the damage intake out.
inland silo
Are there even any rixxas this xpac
unkempt hazel
like when I have no sb charges and plenty of rage
ionic fern
Are there even any rixxas this xpac
Can't think of any from the top of my head right now.
unkempt hazel
or do I kinda juggle them a bit
ionic fern
like when I have no sb charges and plenty of rage
IP by itself won't keep you alive if you're doing any significant content. It would be preferable to use SW/Bolster in these situations or kite (in m+) to avoid taking damage all together.
So lets say you charge into a pack..
You pop SB..use your rage generators (SS,TC etc)..pop IP ontop of the SB..when SB runs out you pop another SB. If you have extra rage you use it on IP.
Once SB runs out you can pop Bolster..and use extra rage again on IP.
unkempt hazel
by bolster u mean last stand?
ionic fern
Once Bolster runs out your SB will have had time to charge again,.
Yes.
So to put it simply:
Use SB when actively tanking enemies (they are meleeing you)
Use IP if you have the extra rage and SB is already up to help smooth out the damage even further
If you have no SB charges but the enemies are still alive use Last Stand ( Bolster ) or Shield Wall .
If you got nothing at all then safest bet would be to Heroic Leap away and kite (this is not needed in lower keystone levels due to the low damage intake but you should get into the habbit of doing it once you get higher).
unkempt hazel
ohh
didn't know about ignoring armor part tbh
think I get the general idea now, thanks a lot for the help
dry cairn
they put bleed only when they get enraged/bigger, that's when tanks gotta kite them
lofty widget
they put bleeds on the tank when in melee range
ionic fern
^
unkempt hazel
should I just instantly kite them or after I get the bleed
ionic fern
Again..depends.
You can live with a few stacks of bleeds (more on lower key levels) but don't put too much stress on your healer.
unkempt hazel
trial and error then
ionic fern
But as soon as they get Enraged (Loyal Beasts casted by Depraved Houndmaster) you should run away.
It can and should be stunned tho.
unkempt hazel
oh, good to know
ionic fern
icy oxide
highmountain or regular tauren for prot? ;)
astral crystal
i would go highmountain if i didnt hate the antlers
near shard
icy oxide
oki ty
void moat
Just to add to the shield block discussion before
It is worth noting that there are gaps between when bosses cast a boss mechanic
sweet summit
yes
void moat
And when they actually swing for melee
As u gain experience i would learn when u can sqweeze in the downtime ur not being attacked to recover as nuch time on the charges as possbile
lusty grotto
yes but that's incredible micromanagement
void moat
That goes ESPECIALLY for raids.
lusty grotto
probably not worth doing between swings
sweet summit
between swing is one thing, but between casts is kinda important
void moat
Ive definitely done swings. U just sort of grow an instinct for it once u start noticing it
sweet summit
you can defo sit on one stack of SB, but when youre starting to sit on two for a couple seconds then its questionable
lusty grotto
negative
void moat
I try to gain every inch of time i can
void moat
Yeah? I didnt counter that at all?
Im confused
I said just hold the charge if ur slam is on cd
No point in using a block charge if its not getting any usage at all
void moat
I mean no
I was talking in the scenario of boss mechanic gap
Where they arent hitting u
And u end up with 2 charged
lusty grotto
you still want to slam
void moat
I think ur missing my point
lusty grotto
you're going into hypotethicals
signal plover
you're describing a relatively niche case tbh
void moat
In not disagreeing with you
signal plover
but you're not wrong either
void moat
I mean it may seem niche but when ur mythic tanking that really adds up
signal plover
if a boss is casting a long cast during which no melees occur, and that is then covered by a period of melees which a single block charge owuld not cover, you can sit on SB charges
void moat
Its the difference between having block charges for the entire time ur getting meleed
Vs just spamming bc u have teo charges
lusty grotto
in the case a cast is going off, and you're not using SB, you will still need to generate rage so why not SS?
what's the point
signal plover
that's the disagrreement imo^
void moat
I didnt say not to
signal plover
it's nto tied to SS at all
void moat
I never made that argument