Have a good day guys! Sorry I stopped in for a moment lul
#protection
warm plinth
undone sun
wild hollow
Welcome to the internet where you cant make a comment without someone looking to fight
open monolith
oh is it?
ionic fern
Yes.
open monolith
I really should dedicate that reflect guide to memory
wild hollow
I just use reflect before any spell, 50% of the time it works everytime
open monolith
ah see, now that is smart.
It either reflects it, or it lowers the damage
I prefer to turn my back and /sit anytime damage is about to happen
healers love it
wild hollow
I love doing that because the anxiety of making the timer goes away
lavish oracle
I usually do for magic damage but tbh I thought it was physical, lol
wild hollow
Dont even think just press it
If you're thinking while tanking you are doing it wrong
open monolith
spell reflect on CD obviously
wild hollow
Press it anyways
open monolith
running back to the center area after manastorms are dead and spell reflect comes up? Press it
open monolith
what the hell is subcreation.net
wild hollow
The Wall is better for M+ because I dont have Thunderlord
ionic fern
Both work.
ebon hound
^ Getting Thunderlords next and I'm excited to try it
open monolith
I'm guessing you see more Walls than Thunderlords because it is the better raid legendary that is ALSO good in m+
wild hollow
Oh ive been "getting thunderlord next" all expansion
open monolith
so more people have it upgraded higher, as it is more versatile
I have a rank 4 TL and.. no other legendary
though next week I will also have rank 4 wall
mighty valley
that's been my experience - got TL first, then started ranking up Wall for raid, and they're both good enough that I'd rather just go with my Wall since it's max ilvl
ionic fern
I'm guessing you see more Walls than Thunderlords because it is the better raid ...
Also that, jeah.
From the God.
open monolith
same reason you see lots of Signets
most those warriors probably main arms for raid
but really they are both solid. Go with whichever you prefer
I'm a TL man
because demo shout is my favorite button
wild hollow
The shield slam rage doe
lavish oracle
Subcreation is not really useful on it's own
It just shows you things ranked by popularity mostly
open monolith
I haven't played with wall yet, so I'm not accustomed to how nice the shield slam rage is
I bet it feels nice
ionic fern
I tried both..but i just prefer Thunderlords more. š¦
open monolith
hmm, interesting
timber ledge
I just feel like the CD on Shield Wall is so damn long on its own
ionic fern
Getting 2-3 DS off in one pack is just nuts imo.
open monolith
that's a very long-living pack
ionic fern
It is.
open monolith
must be +18 fortified week lol
open monolith
imagine if we had like... a GOOD legendary
ionic fern
Jeah,. they are both solid.
open monolith
like say... Guardian
lavish oracle
I feel like my mitigation is already good inside shield block/shield wall, I like having SW up more often
open monolith
I would kill for something like the guardian legendary that activates both ironfur and frenzied regen at the beginning AND end of their defensive cooldown
or the thrash legendary
memory of ursoc
wild hollow
Yeah but they need those procs to make up for the fact that they play guardian druid
lavish oracle
Guardian just has like 3 insane legendaries, lol
open monolith
"Shield Slam has a x% chance to also activate revenge and heal you for x% of the damage done"
yeah.. that would be fun
mighty valley
how are people feeling about Draven? on Denathrius tonight and tempted to take him to save on repair bills
open monolith
I mean, i'd rather need procs than need the therapy for playing a prot warrior
mighty valley
but if the DR just comes up never, then I won't
ionic fern
how are people feeling about Draven? on Denathrius tonight and tempted to take h...
Best reason ever, lol
south holly
thunderlord on hands or feet?
open monolith
yes
whichever you need a bigger upgrade on or whatever is cheaper
those 2 pieces are nearly identical in stat weight
south holly
heard ty
open monolith
i mean the obvious correct answer is feet though
because thunderclap has a stomping animation.
mighty valley
you stomp a lot to yell more
open monolith
legendary should be called "Tantrum"
lavish oracle
Correct answer is feet because it's like 12 more armor :P
open monolith
and 1 more secondary stat š®
spare cobalt
How much tankier does ilvl on shield feel
open monolith
significantly
spare cobalt
Hell ya
I grinded out pvp cause I was rocking a 207 shield last push week
Got a big 220 now
open monolith
i only have 200
and i refuse to do pvp
so I'll have one until the vault is nice to me
lavish oracle
I only just got a 2h that was better than 171 yesterday
And I think I missed the boat on easy pvp
undone jacinth
anyone crafted judgement of the arbiter yet
open monolith
i don't even know what that legendary does
undone jacinth
lightning bolt
thin nexus
should i be grabbing hakkar's adds on the boss or should dps be fuklly responsible for kiting and killing them
undone jacinth
they wont come to u anyway
spare cobalt
Ya pvp is not fun @open monolith
I just did rbg
Cause I had prev xp so kinda got carried with 2k+ mmr groups lol
undone jacinth
how long did rbgs take you
open monolith
@thin nexus they fixate, I am fairly certain you can't do shit to them.
DPS should always kill them
finite prairie
I'm new to warcraft logs and rummaging through all the info...how do I see my % of attacks blocked?
thin nexus
Thanks guys
steel cove
hey legends hot tip on best wweap enchant for m+?
strong forum
lightless force for raw dmg
celestial guidance for general use and actually good defensive gain
strong forum
I'm new to warcraft logs and rummaging through all the info...how do I see my % ...
you go to dmg taken tab, then click on the warrior, then mouse mouse over auto attack and itll show you blocked amount and unmitigated amount
finite prairie
Thanks!
strong forum
theres also the "mitigated %" shown in one of the columns
finite prairie
Yes I had 77% mitigated and 66% blocked aa's for that test run. Not sure what I should be shooting for. I know it wasn't a super great run because I was rushing
But I'm glad I have the tools to look back on each run now
So much info
strong forum
~70% is good
finite prairie
Word thanks
steel cove
lightless force for raw dmg
celestial guidance for general use and actually good...
Ty man
strange lintel
is there a way i can practice my shield block and ignore pain usage like a dummy or w.e
strong forum
There is a tank dummy, but you're not gonna live for long
It's better to just go and play m+
strange lintel
i did a +2 to test but i was pretty much mitigating the whole run. healer never run out of mana. i guess i gotta practice with higher keys
strong forum
There's no better way to learn than getting your shit pushed it
strong forum
Well...
That's how you ultimately learn
You gotta push yourself
You won't know if you can do it, until you've done it
strange lintel
i guess...
strong forum
Doing baby content won't highlight you mistakes
Cuz they don't do anything, you won't die or get punished
strong forum
Ye
undone jacinth
youāre probably just over complicating it
just going in and spamming shield block on pull is most of your work done
the bit where experience comes in is more what to kick, what to reflect, when to wall etc
open monolith
when to run
knowing you should never turn your back on a mob, even when running away
warm thunder
When I'm looking at Warcraft Logs it only shows LFR stats
open monolith
When I'm looking at Warcraft Logs it only shows LFR stats
This should be right below your character name.
Change the "Highest Difficulty" to whatever difficulty you are looking for.
If you have done higher than LFR, but there is no data, that means nobody logged the fight.
open monolith
click highest difficulty
change it to normal
if there is nothing there, nobody logged it.
Warcraft logs requires someone to log the fight
it doesn't.. do it automatically
open monolith
newp
warm thunder
My bad then
open monolith
if you'd like to log manually, there are lots of guides that show you how. I don't do it myself, personally, one of our priests in the guild does
open monolith
warm thunder
Thank you
I understand why Block uptime is so important btw
Without you just get destroy
Litteraly
strong forum
are there any videos out there for prot warrior?
not guides no, only guides are written ones, but "sense - nurfed" has his prog kills and m+ dungeons uploaded to youtube
warm thunder
And I understand why Ignore Pain sucks
Kinda
And also there is so much magic dmg in CN
Why the DPS ofĀ Protection WarriorĀ is significantly lower than other tanks? What's making the difference?
open monolith
We have to choose: damage or mitigation.
plus, you know, just good ol' ability tuning
warm thunder
Mmh, I see
pastel sleet
Aight I typically Tank m+ and have been tanking as prot for 3 expansions.
Our raid tank is not available this week, and so Iām stepping in to fill.
I donāt have the Wall leggo.
Do I run bolster or AM in raid
strong forum
varies from boss to boss
open monolith
AM on pretty much everything except like.. denathrius / maybe sludge
strong forum
if you wanna be on the safer side of things, go bolster on all bosses, if youre comfortable playing the spec, go AM
open monolith
you doing heroic? mythic? normal?
warm thunder
@open monolith Not Bolster?
open monolith
for raid? lol no
I mean, I only do Heroic
none of the fights there do enough incoming tank damage to need it
open monolith
at least, none of the ones I have progged on yet.
pastel sleet
Heroic
open monolith
I'm only 6/10, and I did not need Bolster on any of the fights.
pastel sleet
We are 7/10 H prog
strong forum
for HC you can play AM for every boss except Generals and Denathrius tbh
open monolith
I barely even pressed Ignore pain lol, I just spammed Revenge
warm thunder
Which ilvl?
pastel sleet
Iām 213
open monolith
yeah you'll be fine using AM
pastel sleet
Ok
open monolith
hardly any of those fights do relevant tank damage.
strong forum
you can get away with playing AM on Generals and Denathrius aswell, but only if your guild is good
pastel sleet
I feel like I get clapped on huntsman with AM
open monolith
eh, I still run AM on Huntsman heroic
warm thunder
Do u ever play Ravager?
strong forum
in m+, all the time Wolf
open monolith
so still doesn't become an issue
strong forum
in raid ITF 100%
open monolith
I use ravager on Sunking, Huntsman, and Generals
although we now use the push strat on sun king, so don't need it there anymore.
warm thunder
Do you spam Block?
open monolith
if by spam you mean use intelligently, yes
open monolith
if the boss is about to cast for 4 seconds and do something else, don't use it
you'll waste it
warm thunder
@strong forum Well I currently spam it bcs I'm stupid
strong forum
knowledge is power
you need to know the fight in and out
to properly use your buttons
warm thunder
Yea
strong forum
thats the difficulty in playing pwar
warm thunder
I barely know strats
strong forum
no slacking allowed
only if your guild / group is good you can get away with playing badly or overly aggressive
warm thunder
I think I don't use block and ignore pain correctly
I just spam bcs idk what I should block
strong forum
once you start logging you can throw in your results into wowanalyzer
and itll throw up some info
so look forward to that
meanwhile
youve seen beyblade halkias, but have you seen invisible halkias?
strong forum
if you use SR on CD, youre already using it better than 90% of people out there
š
open monolith
You picked the hardest tank to learn tanking LOL
warm thunder
@open monolith Yea but it's fun
open monolith
yes, yes it is
warm thunder
War prot is the only tank where I really feel protecting others
And be like a wall
Litteraly
strong forum
@sullen valve :sadge:
warm thunder
What's the easiest tank?
warm thunder
Guardian druid sounds boring af
sullen valve
:sadge:
warm thunder
@open monolith Pwar is the hardest tank, would be nice if the Pwar was more rewarding for playing it correctly
Which isn't the case atm
strong forum
well it is rewarding, however if you make it too rewarding, itll get nerfed quite quickly because the attention to overperforming specs is greater than underperforming specs
warm thunder
You need to pull off a lot of effort to get the same results as other tanks
strong forum
eh not that much
warm thunder
Really?
strong forum
if youre bad youre really bad that much is true
but the skill ceiling isnt overly high
warm thunder
I see
strong forum
once youre comfortable its pretty easy
warm thunder
What makes the war prot apparently the worst tank atm?
strong forum
- if youre bad youre really bad
- its unpopular
- it doesnt deal well with dot effects
- its unpopular and doesnt have that shiny selfhealing button
- mitigation gaps hurt alot
warm thunder
How so?
strong forum
- damage could be a little higher
warm thunder
I mean mitigation gaps
strong forum
well, if you dont have block up, you can get destroyed real quick in higher keys
you dont have safety nets
warm thunder
I rmb when war prot in MoP was just spamming Barrier and top dps because revenge stacking
strong forum
well that was 8 years ago
warm thunder
Yea
strong forum
game changes drastically
warm thunder
It changed a lot
warm thunder
well, if you dont have block up, you can get destroyed *real* quick in higher ke...
I noticed that
strong forum
like, if we get an increase in block uptime
and or an increase in damage output
pwar is gonna be stupid strong
ngl
warm thunder
Damn that small change can do that much?
strong forum
yes
warm thunder
Is there a guide I can watch or read to know which abilities in CN I should block and stuff?
strong forum
this thing shows you whats blockable and reflectable
in all of SL
not 100% up to date, but close to
warm thunder
Alright
strong forum
general rule of thumb is
if it looks like a swing with a weapon or fists, its blockable
if its a spell aimed directly at you, its likely to be reflectable
warm thunder
Good to know, I assume most of the spell you can reflect aren't on cast
strong forum
this alone covers like 90% of all situations already
warm thunder
How do you predict?
strong forum
knowledge and weakauras / target of target
warm thunder
There is a weak auras that predict incoming spells?
strong forum
well, the mob literally casts "frostbolt" or w/e
or the boss
has a cast going off thats literally shown in game via castbar
warm thunder
Yea but I assume there is things you can reflect that doesn't come from a cast
Maybe I'm wrong
sweet summit
there is
lofty widget
not a lot
warm thunder
K
strong forum
none of the major things, come from instant casts
most major reflects are well indicated
warm thunder
Dat sheet is great but is there priorities?
warm thunder
Also, Ignore pain feels weak
strong forum
just use š§ once youre at the fight and reflect/deflect what makes the mose sense to you
tbh
well IP is a damage smoother and defensive rage dump
warm thunder
When I use it, it's only when I don't have block or I pair with it
But it gets destroyed so fast
strong forum
idk mine lasts quite a bit i feel like
its all contextually
if you dont have block up it gets consumed faster, obviously because you take more damage
warm thunder
Is there boss where Block is useless?
strong forum
"sense - nurfed" on youtube
warm thunder
Ty
strong forum
or dare i to promote myself, i stream sometimes on twitch and just uploaded 2 keys on my youtube just now
but nothing crazy, only like 15-17 keys, pushing is pointless
heavy sail
IP feels weak because it is
Itās not meant to be a strong cooldown
17 keys at this point in the xpac is pretty good.
I havenāt gone that far
open monolith
lol
17 is not mid tier
you VASTLY overestimate what the playerbase is capable of
heavy sail
Definitely, most players right now are just breaking into +10
strong forum
what annoys me is
that i could be 225 equipped if i got to 2.1k
right now
id be legit 226 in every slot but 1 trinket and 1 ring
open monolith
yep. PvP gearing is stupid
i mean, it's good
but it's stupid that m+ doesn't have an equivalent
or... any pve
at all
heavy sail
Iām behind in gear because Iām an altoholic right now.
I canāt settle on what I want
heavy sail
I suck cock at arena or else itād be higher 
open monolith
lol fuck both of you
I'm barely 211
i think im like 210
211 in my bags
because I still have a 171 hakkar trinket
and a 200 shield
207 weapon
heavy sail
Iāve been tanking heroic CN with a 190BrM
strong forum
ouch
open monolith
gross
heavy sail
Been pretty easily actually
open monolith
imagine bringing a brew to a raid when wind walker exists
because nome
nothing does damage to tanks in the raid
heavy sail
I just donāt take that much damage until the final 3 bosses
Sludgefist in particular
strong forum
sludge is actually not alot of tank damage
atleast in HC
no clue bout mythic
but HC is barely any tank dmg it feels like
heavy sail
Definitely the case for sludgeboy
strong forum
except dots
FUCK
DOTS
fucking HoA16
last boss tank dot
hits for 25k
BALANCED
20sec debuff
that ticks for 25k
open monolith
something something tyrannical
something something +16 is a high key
and it doesn't tick for 25k for 20 seconds
it ramps up
starts small
lofty widget
it does ramp up tho, i tend to SR/wall the last 5 sec/ 8 sec
open monolith
does more at the end
open monolith
according to the tooltip at least
lofty widget
still kinda fun to see how far you can go tho, even now
strong forum
i actually enjoy raiding more right now, and i hate raiding
sick sentinel
I just do low keys then jet
open monolith
i intend to get keystone master before the season ends, and other than that
4 per week.
that's it
m+ rewards feel terribad
heavy sail
It especially sucks feeling like youāre hard capped on loot unless you get to 1800+
sick sentinel
I not about to get sweaty over game pixels for bit more design or whatever
open monolith
certainly feels that way lol
strong forum
pretty sure i make fun of m+ loot in one of the 2 vids
heavy sail
If you arenāt sweaty you arenāt playing
strong forum
or both
heavy sail
sick sentinel
Won't see me 226 all armor slots bis stats
open monolith
Did you edit out the audio of your group talking in those videos?
heavy sail
Iām not against PvP gearing being super good, Iām for it. I just want other sources to not be dogshit
PvP players deserved on overhaul because it was a complete joke in BfA
There was no reason to ever do arenas
Except for being glad and having the ego boost it implies
strong forum
heavy sail
Lmao
deft sapphire
They should make m+ loot scale higher than 15s
15s are already harder than heroic raid
heavy sail
Nah
strong forum
always have been
heavy sail
They arenāt
deft sapphire
Yeah they are
heavy sail
The hard part about raiding isnāt just the content itself, itās holding 20 people to a standard of accountability to clear the content
sick sentinel
There is so little haste versa gear in m+ and the tank trinkets my God what were they thinking
heavy sail
Itās a lot easier to get a group of homies and plow through m+
deft sapphire
My guild has cleared heroic a lot of our raiders would not be capable of clearing a 15 in time lol
strong forum
The hard part about raiding isnāt just the content itself, itās holding 20 peopl...
exactly
deft sapphire
Tank trinkets always kinda suck tbh
strong forum
raiding is 10 people playing the game 5 people somewhat pressing their buttons and 5 people just being outright carried
heavy sail
Truth
strong forum
now imagine classic
sick sentinel
I want pulsating stone to have a 
thing
strong forum
10 people playing the game, 10 people pressing buttons and 20 people being carried
maybe 5 people playing and 15 pressing buttons
heavy sail
Classic players, especially right now, are generally ābetterā
strong forum
we had 2 classic players
heavy sail
If only because if youāre playing classic right now, youāre married to it.
strong forum
1 only raidlogged and was 20 ilvl behind
the other one left day1 because of burping
sick sentinel
I picked 210 stone from box so you don't have to if you use it you are probably an idiot like me
heavy sail
Warrior leveling is a slog
strong forum
na classic is
heavy sail
Assuming thatās what you were playing
strong forum
obv warri
what else would i play
felt fine, but fuck me the game is so bad
i do love missing and parrying all the time
sick sentinel
You are inting by using it basically kills you to basic swirlues
strong forum
now you know better yogi
heavy sail
I like classic, the world buff and raidlog meta is boring as fuck
But it gave me more time to play retail
strong forum
its just amazing how you double/triple your dmg from worldbuffs
instead of from gear
very meaningful choice
heavy sail
Yeah itās silly.
heavy sail
To be fair though in actual vanilla people were shit at meta gaming and casual players didnāt catch on to the power of world buffs until like AQ
Naxx is the only raid actively designed around it
gaunt dawn
Heck the top end then didnt catch onto hit rating until it was forced on tier pieces
It was just a given that your spells would...miss
Aq started it. Naxx solidified it.
heavy sail
Blizz also had a strange design philosophy back in those days
Like the original cāthun pre nerf was actually impossible to beat
gaunt dawn
Idk. I reckon it was possible
heavy sail
I wanna say from memory it required you to sustain 4K DPS per DPS-slot whilst doing mechanics
Which idk if it is technically impossible or not, but at the time nobody in the world was able to do it
And that would still be incredibly hard to do with the WB meta
They did say the same about Yogg though and some Chinese guild eventually did it
So who knows
gaunt dawn
I dont think 4k was too obscene as that was about the level people had on prog if they did it at a reasonable pace rather than w1 pace
And actually did the side bosses too
Worm.boi was mega easy
And usually done after cthun
It's been a very very long time since I was in AQ
Also keeping frost damage wands š¤¢
heavy sail
That fight is disgusting
gaunt dawn
I hated it every week
Was so happy when naxx came out
And all other raids were redundant finally
gaunt dawn
I raided casually
6 days a week from 5pm to 10pm
Insane that was casual raiding then
heavy sail
Lol
gaunt dawn
And from 10pm to midnight I'd farm for next raid
strong forum
sonic lichen
any macros for prot war that help me have less buttons for m+? heard using shield slam with shield block is a good idea?
stark lion
any macros for prot war that help me have less buttons for m+? heard using shiel...
#showtooltip
/cast [@target,harm]Charge;[@target,help]intervene;[@mouseover,help]Intervene;charge
signal plover
any macros for prot war that help me have less buttons for m+? heard using shiel...
This is not a good idea
steady spruce
4k dps per dps slot isn't even a thing on classic rn
manic moon
is there a dps build for tanks? like if im running baby keys to carry or something
does the thunder clap avatar thing still work?
signal plover
Just run AM instead of bolster along with BV and ravager
UF (the TC talent that was dominant in BFA) is dead
grand drum
Rip UF š
hollow cove
For those of you who play Prot & Arms, how do you weigh switching your loot spec? Fishing for biggest upgrade for either spec?
thorny sail
Is prot really as bad as the community thinks? Really getting into pushing keys as a tank. I have a monk and warr geared
fallow mortar
it most certainly is not
thorny sail
I was debating between the two tanks, and was just curious
fallow mortar
play both and see what you prefer in all honsty
thorny sail
The shield slam leggo the best to build? Iām looking to push KSM ASAP
heavy sail
Thunderlords is usually better in a M+ context when you are attacking lots of mobs at once.
Both are good
As far as āis Prot badā ā no, not anywhere near what the community would have you believe. I do think that by playing pwarr you are hamstringing yourself in some ways simply because there are better options, but thatās not to say that it isnāt doable at all levels of content.
Play what you prefer and enjoy at the end of the day.
sterile moss
Nah, you canāt self-cast hamstring
heavy sail
steep lily
Hmm, if I put a socket on a rank 3 leggo and then upgrade, the socket stays on right?
hardy radish
am i big or smol brained for taking war machine this week so i can easily pop orbs with devastate
mighty valley
hmm, if I was gonna do that, I'd take punish?
graceful cobalt
hi for Tank Warrior wich Race is best? Highmountan or normal Tauren?
hardy radish
yeah probably do punish instead actually
heavy sail
Your race choice is virtually meaningless, pick whichever you prefer aesthetically.
plucky galleon
pseudo raptor
But the Wall is so nice.
lunar perch
Different fun for different people! :D
fringe marten
Speaking of WM for orbs...UHmember when orbs gave Victory rush? my soul hurt a little when I discovered that change the first time back in? bfa?
A part of me wonders if Boost helped get that nerf to happen š (nah..they'd have done it anyway)
fringe marten
BROOOO it came through..
Unbound Reality Fragment from Venari just got me 213 Piercing Verdict conduit.
There were a lot of 200 ilevel choices, that was pure lottery luck.
empty sedge
guys... HC Denathrius. What warriors can do when everyone enter on the mirror, and denathrius blink at your back?
Phase 2
shit tons of damage comingi n
empty sedge
does it works for the blink?
proven herald
don't know whether it actually reflects it, but it definitely mitigates it
jagged pier
guys... HC Denathrius. What warriors can do when everyone enter on the mirror, a...
you just turn around
undone jacinth
just side strafe everywhere
itās a good technique for kiting anyways
and stops his back teleports
heady ivy
Just switched my spec to tanking and looking at the pin it does not reccomend unstoppable force as talent? Even if you have the thunderlord legendary?
jagged pier
yup even with the leggo its still dogshit
dusky sentinel
Hey peeps! Just looking at the talent tree for a second. Is Never Surrender not even considered? Or is it just the talent that looks decent but is crap? š
jagged pier
its a crap talent
always as been
to get use out of it you need to be dead pretty much
restive flax
I finally got the Hakkar Scale
That trinket feels like cheating
But like, obviously I only got it in a +2 when I was helping a friend š
restive flax
yup
blazing condor
finite gull
How in gods name do you play prot warrior in keys as venthyr. It feels like i never have rage. Never have cooldowns. Don't do damage to get said rage. 
heady ivy
So I have 5k or so soul ash, is it better for me to just craft thunderlord at max rank? Or is it preferable to craft both the wall and thunderlor at less rank
undone jacinth
well do you only want to use TL or do you want to use both
heady ivy
Im not sure, I mostly looking to run mythic but i dont know if just having thunderlords sets you back very much in raiding
undone jacinth
itās pretty trash in raiding compared to wall and wall is ok in m+
wall has more uses than TL overall
undone jacinth
I personally just craft all the legos I feel like I want to play with and donāt really worry about ilvl, although I put them to 210
and haste for sure but 2nd is your choice, vers is most common
heady ivy
Hmm yeah but it is more costly right? Do you have to purchase the base item to upgrade?
Or is it just the soul ash
undone jacinth
Iāve done mine over time so Iāve always bought base but I think you can just craft the higher ilvl one instantly
and pay the extra ash
thatās how upgrades work and donāt see any reason why it wouldnāt be the same
heady ivy
Okay, thanks1
Think i will craft both at 2nd rank then to not feel terrible about not having one
undone jacinth
yea
on my alts I just have like 5 at 190 lol and itās still fine and probably more fun
stoic ice
hey guys new to prot warrior this xpac main Brew Kyrian monk and ive been leveling as prot kyrian but i want to play night fae and i was wondering what the trade off was of Kyrian prot warrior vs. night fae prot warr
ionic pewter
Hmm yeah but it is more costly right? Do you have to purchase the base item to u...
Yeah if you have level 1 legendary and want to upgrade you need the higher level base item and the difference in ash
strong forum
hey guys new to prot warrior this xpac main Brew Kyrian monk and ive been leveli...
Tradeoff is potion vs shapeshift
And the vortex effect vs the stun from AA
stoic ice
is the damage difference marginal or pretty wide in a dunegon setting
undone jacinth
youāll do more damage with NF
stoic ice
and im bascially losing health pot for more dmg?
undone jacinth
but itās not big
kind of
damage is similar, remember if the mobs move out of NF it does 0
but NF lines up with avatar so youāre generally getting more out of it
stoic ice
okay is shapeshift good mobility i dont even know i have not played night fae this xpac
undone jacinth
it is but warrior doesnāt have mobility issues
and NF also get niya who is a god
and free mission table
If you want to play NF then strongly suggest you do that
stoic ice
4 sure obviously not pushing top tier content on my warrior so im sure the differences are marginal but wanted to make sure i wasnt screwing myself as night fae
sick sentinel
Is prot good for leveling?
undone jacinth
you can find dungeons quickly
sick sentinel
But for questing
undone jacinth
you can gather a lot of stuff and kill it quickly so itās fine but dps is likely gonna be quicker
sweet summit
if you want to pvp as warrior you play arms pretty much
sick sentinel
Ok
woven trellis
so one month ago, we were saying both legendary wall and thunder were viable for m+
now we mainly see Thunderlord in the hands of the higher pusher
did the opinion change
undone jacinth
No
woven trellis
so no one think thunderlord is a bit better when it comes to pushing higher keys
undone jacinth
Iām sure some people think it, thatās the point of preference
Itās the tuning of the spec and dungeons that will hold back your keys not your Lego
and your play obviously
woven trellis
thats obvious
doesnt prevent one legendary from being more efficient in m+ situations
i mean when u think about it
gettin 40% evers 2 min instead 4 or 1min 30 instead of 3.30
is good
very good but
gettin 20% reduc more than half the time
looks pretty neat...
undone jacinth
yes both are fine
woven trellis
but cant we say that thunderlord is just more consistent being there almost all the time
ionic fern
Some people prefer The Wall, others prefer Thunderlords.
The Wall also provides the 5 extra Rage per SS which mounts up over the course of the dungeon. Shield Wall does go down to like 1.5 minutes roughly but the thing is that it's not something you press on CD.
Thunderlords is something you press on CD regardless due to Booming Voice.
undone jacinth
I donāt know what consistency is even meaning in your context
ionic fern
I personally prefer Thunderlords just for that reason.
But having The Wall up for almost every other pack is stupid strong as well.
woven trellis
I donāt know what consistency is even meaning in your context
consistency means u get actual bonus mitigation on a larger period of time
probably way larger
undone jacinth
you get less bonus mitigation for more time yes
last I checked the top WCL guy was running mirror and the guy with the highest key done on Rio was running signet... canāt stress enough how much more relevant your play and your group is for keys
your Lego is just whatever you feel comfortable playing with or need for X situation
open monolith
^ yep
How YOU play and your group plays >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legendary choice
Legendary choice at this point is just preference, I think
I want to try a 5 man judgment of the arbiter group
undone jacinth
me too but canāt convince any slobs to craft it
open monolith
I think I could convince my group to make one
they are so desperate for a tank they A) recruited a warrior and B) just kind of go with whatever I say
undone jacinth
yea not in game but think thatās what it was
undone jacinth
yea not really consistent but I would guess around 10
open monolith
where does it even come from
oh revered with ascended
that might be difficult to get on 5 people
undone jacinth
yea hopeless
open monolith
is ascended kyrian-covenant-only rep
or can you get it by doing world quests and stuff
undone jacinth
You can get all the factions, dungeon quests give you the option
undone jacinth
I thought judgement was just revered with your own faction but I guess not
open monolith
that would make sense, since the arbiter is not tied to any one faction
undone jacinth
Even though sheās blatantly a kyrian slave
peak iron
What trinkets are you guys finding to work best for you. Iām using double haste trinkets and fill like something with more mitigation would be better!
Anima field emitter and sheetmusic
open monolith
for content that is easy: anima field emitter and blood spattered scale
for content that is hard (high m+ and raid progression): splintered heart of al'ar and blood spattered scale
I haven't gotten the Denathrius trinket, but I believe that may be similar to blood spattered scale
half the cooldown and smaller shield with no damage, but some people may like the consistency of a 1 minute cooldown shield vs a 2 minute CD shield
you can also use Phial of Putrefaction (requires you to go arms or fury loot spec in plaguefall) instead of Anima Field emitter for damage. That trinket pumps
peak iron
Thanks
astral crystal
im using anime emitter and scale on prog
havent gotten heart of a'lar but idk that it'd roll with it unless the boss is a huge fuck
or if there were some intentional cheese that required dying
did they make it so heart of a'lar resets after combat ends?
open monolith
yeah.
like I said i mostly use it on content that is hard.
we're progging heroic and I don't even really use it unless it's a fight that we are REALLY down to the wire on. I think I used it on heroic sunking, and it definitely saved the clear for us. (my guild is pretty casual)
long trout
Hi everyone! What slot for thunderlord i should go? Any advice? What is better, boots or gloves?
open monolith
they are nearly identical in stats
so choose the one that is cheaper on your server, or the one you need a bigger upgrade for
long trout
Ok, thanks!
lime urchin
I normally tonk m+ but slowly get to raidtonk more often. Tonight first tries on hc Stone Legion. Do yall switch to Kleia for āprogressionā?
long trout
Playin Venthyrs and its fine xD
open monolith
covenant choice will not make or break your progression or play.
long trout
Just finished HC in wednesday:)
long trout
covenant choice will not make or break your progression or play.
^ this
open monolith
it might make certain things easier / harder
lime urchin
I thought double endurance would be nice
long trout
Just play better transmog :D
open monolith
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heady ivy
Are there any prot warriors that upload video guides for m+ that you guys recommend?
open monolith
I don't think there are any guides
but if you look up Sense - Nurfed on youtube, you will find some mythic prog and dungeon stuff from our Sensei.
he's also on twitch as twitch.tv/snse
heady ivy
ā¹ļø
open monolith
and if you have a high tolerance for really annoying toxic group chatter, you can check out twitch.tv/nomeratur
nome is great... but his group is uh.... loud
lunar perch
LOL
heady ivy
Alright, thanks! š
sonic silo
hey guys, I just started my tank alt and was wondering if I made the wrong choice. Is venthyr bad ?
just planing to tank casually maybe some 15s with friends but not pushing high
open monolith
Is it bad? No.
Is it less useful than Kyrian or Nigh Fae in dungeons? Yes.
Will that stop you from clearing 15s? No.
open monolith
Well, don't feel like you need to.
If you have your heart set on Venthyr, go for it. It's very solid on single targets for Prot. it just loses most of its value against multiple. Plus, their final soulbind has the best soulbind ability of all soulbinds available to tanks
shy zodiac
ah yes, 50% durability damage reduction, truly BiS
steady spruce
ARms secret artifact appearance up on EU boys
silk crane
hey friends, what trinkets should i look to run for M+? ive currently got the heroic one from sunking
whats bis?
silk crane
its saved me lots, im a big fan. im mainly running 14s or 15s
sweet summit
blood splattered scale and anima field emitter are the ones i recommend
lunar perch
Blood-splattered Scale is real good currently!
silk crane
great, thank you
just a side note, i see haste>versa is the go for M+ according to pins, are there stat weightings?
undone jacinth
Not really
sweet summit
ilvl is king
silk crane
im wondering how good haste is compared to vers, because im duelist so the pvp gear is giving me about 30% versa, im wondering if thats bad
silk crane
okay, whats the justification for haste being a good talent? whats it give us? more rage? that it?
undone jacinth
everything
silk crane
stat* not talent
sweet summit
higher rage generation and lower sb cooldown are the main two reasons
undone jacinth
you just do more stuff and doing more stuff is good
silk crane
right, thank you
undone jacinth
donāt need to worry about your stats being bad in general though
open monolith
haste + devastator = more shield slam resets too
sonic silo
If you have your heart set on Venthyr, go for it. It's very solid on single targ...
do you mean draven? what does it do?
open monolith
all damage taken under 40% hp is reduced by 10%
undone jacinth
that really is not great
his tree overall is great though as are a lot of the venthyr
astral crystal
yeah that sucks
like those trinkets that only prevent % dmg under certain amount of health
no bueno
undone jacinth
if youāre going below 40% as Prot warr u are in a lot of trouble
itās better for specs with heals
sonic silo
guess il just try it out and see
but I might just swap to night fae, the ability sounds agbit more fun
thanks!
lunar perch
Go for it!
I went Kyrian and the sunk cost fallacy doesn't let me switch to any other covenant anymore. :D
/j
undone jacinth
yeah I went kyrian but I wanna switch to necrolord
undone jacinth
yea pretty sure itās just better overall if you donāt need phial
and phial honestly feels like trash most of the time
I swear it doesnāt heal for what it says it does
undone jacinth
you could laugh at them while in blink fox
strong forum
na but then they dont get snapped back
undone jacinth
which must be pretty tilting for them
strong forum
getting snapped back is way more fun
strong forum
i love stopping the jumpy bois that leap onto group members
astral crystal
yeah that's such a good feel
strong forum
see like 300 mobs getting dragged back
astral crystal
watching them snap back
strong forum
sike you thought bitch
undone jacinth
think maybe the novelty isnāt there for me because I main Druid
strong forum
well yes
astral crystal
druid main shitposting on prot discord... unforgivable
strong forum
thats just a fact
open monolith
I don't think I'll ever switch covenant
mostly because I don't want to invest the time to catch up on renown
and I just really really like spear.
undone jacinth
it just takes away a bit for me where maybe Iād like it more
renown catch up is so easy
I got it without even doing anything
open monolith
like if they choose one of the 4 covenant abilities to make a warrior baseline ability into next expansion, I want it to be spear
astral crystal
yeah having that kind of mob control is nice
undone jacinth
I think warrior is probably the best class to play if you got all 4 cov abilities
Druid close
strong forum
if druid would get all covs
open monolith
what do you mean
strong forum
it would be insanely strong
open monolith
Warrior only has 3 covenant abilities
undone jacinth
yeah would be crazy
undone jacinth
for output
open monolith
Condemn, good. Spear, good. aftershock, good.
Yep, that's all of them
that's all of the warrior covenant abilities
all good. All 3.
open monolith
Real talk though, warriors should have more banner like abilities
I like banners better than shouts
strong forum
Banner is like a jake paul video, a quick tease at the start and then 3-10minutes of complete nothing
undone jacinth
Hell yeah
astral crystal
sock did you ever play warr during MoP?
open monolith
like we should get a taunt banner..... call it... "Black Ox Banner"
astral crystal
that was peak banner time
open monolith
i skipped MoP
astral crystal
we had mocking banner
open monolith
barely touched it
astral crystal
demo banner
undone jacinth
challenging banner
astral crystal
crit banner
open monolith
oh, neat
astral crystal
mocking was the aoe taunt one
and you could charge to your banners
gone are the days...
undone jacinth
didnāt play warr in mop but that sounds cool af
strong forum
you put down banner in range, then intervened towards it
open monolith
We Jarvan IV now
open monolith
oh don't be so precious about your video games
open monolith
You know what I want as a CD for warrior?
Holmgang from FFXIV
there is nothing more fucking warrior than Holmgang
pull the enemy to you.
Root both.
You cannot die during the duration
strong forum
na good abilities arent allowed in wow
open monolith
lol
undone jacinth
if any class should have blood lust then surely it should be warrior
strong forum
im surprised covenants have any utility towards them
undone jacinth
how does a Hunter inspire a whole raid instead of a warrior
strong forum
like legit, any 2 purpose spells are pruned
open monolith
yep
strong forum
watch them remove all trace of covenant abilities in 10.0
undone jacinth
but Hunter lust is dumb
open monolith
yep
strong forum
cant wait
undone jacinth
theyāll have to leave in some form of convoke
open monolith
B O R R O W E D P O W E R
open monolith
they took away my dreadblades
undone jacinth
but itāll be like a 4 spell convoke
open monolith
my delicious delicious dreadblades
every attack = full combo points
gone
big sad
astral crystal
honestly if you take a few and look at the class changes from expac to expac prior to WoD, you can kind of understand why there's borrowed power
astral crystal
classes are more or less kept as they are now with the exception of a few outliers
back then there were huge changes from expac t oexpac
open monolith
how the fuck do we go to a new max level with no new talents
like.. come on. GIVE US A TALENT ROW REEEEEEEEE
undone jacinth
I don't really care about the borrowed power things, change is good
but some spells you can't take away
undone jacinth
when they fit too perfect
open monolith
I wouldn't doubt if all 4 covenant abilities became a selectable row
we will lose the utility thing. no door of shadows, steward, etc
sick sentinel
the conduits and legos are the final talent
undone jacinth
tbh they kinda nailed convenants imo
open monolith
I don't agree.
undone jacinth
wouldnt mind them being kept roughly the same
open monolith
Covenants should have been utility only, no power.
undone jacinth
considering the potential they had to fuck it up, I think they did great
balance is really good
open monolith
if balance was really good, we wouldn't strongly encourage prot warriors to not go Maldraxxus
even though Maldraxxus is like, the obvious good flavor choice for warrior
heady ivy
but if you look up Sense - Nurfed on youtube, you will find some mythic prog and...
I watched some of his videos and sometimes in dungeons he casts a dash in a straight line similar to dragon rush, is this an item or sth?
undone jacinth
I mean we tell people the other 3 dont matter all the time
that is balance = good
there are outliers ofc
sweet summit
I watched some of his videos and sometimes in dungeons he casts a dash in a stra...
bull rush, high mountain tauren
undone jacinth
necrolord warrior is about the biggest outlier there is
heady ivy
bull rush, high mountain tauren
Ohhh thats it ā¹ļø thanks!
open monolith
idk, I just feel strongly that covenants never should have had combat abilities tied to them.
Too many people pick what is "numerically best"
rather than which story they wanna see.
I feel like they missed the mark in that respect
sweet summit
people always do
undone jacinth
if it was just story
sweet summit
like, why would you handicap yourself
undone jacinth
I don't think I'd have picked any of them
open monolith
I know, I'm not saying people picking the best thing is wrong.
obviously everyone is gonna do that
heady ivy
The venthyr campaign was ok but night fae has some terrible quests
open monolith
I think blizzard tying player power to stories is silly, is all
astral crystal
i enjoyed walking around with my bros pelagos and kleia
kindred warren
Night fae in general looks terrible
open monolith
like, what if after we finish the main campaign, we can go be an ambassador for the other ones and experience their story?
that would be nice