protection

[chilly brook]

Being able to deflect it

[uneven mason]

Still

thats good to know

I was forced to DPS until like, this week

[rain lava]

do you prefer to use the wall or thunderlord legendary in m+? and do you change for tyrannical vs fortified

[uneven mason]

TW

[open gazelle]

Best defensive trinkets in the game(absorbs/healing/health pool increases)? I have splintered heart of alar which I love for a cheat death/snap threat. Thinking of replacing my dark moon card voracity though for m+. I need more denfensives in higher keys due to our long cds with 2 min last stand being the shortest we have

[rain lava]

so you pretty much alwasys use TW then?

[uneven mason]

yes

[mossy sluice]

blood splattered scale is really good

[uneven mason]

TW allows for frequent SW uses

which doesn't require me to get in the mobs face to gain the defensive benefit

like if I'm trucking out of LOS from "big slappy spell"

[undone sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/798094421131526164/Protection_Warrior_Cheatsheet.png

[uneven mason]

why you shrink it

[undone sun]

oh weird

[chilly brook]

Here you go

Better quality

[mossy sluice]

HD

[chilly brook]

UHD

[honest echo]

How do you guys feel about Ravager?

[chilly brook]

Ravager is great

[uneven mason]

[chilly brook]

Big dam

Big rage

Low CD

[remote hawk]

Love ravager

[chilly brook]

What's not to like

[open gazelle]

Oh shit I’ve been using thunderbird over the wall

[honest echo]

Would you pick it over Into the Fray?

[open gazelle]

Thunderlord

[chilly brook]

TL is good for m+

I just prefer TW

[uneven mason]

for M+

[chilly brook]

Yes for m+

[uneven mason]

Buttermoon Rav for M+, ITF for raids

[open gazelle]

Yeah I mainly doing m+

[uneven mason]

TL is good for pumping damage

big boomings

so its stronk in M+

for raid I prefer 1min SW to 40s DS

[sick sentinel]

I cant have good logs as prot feelsbadman

[honest echo]

Jesus... I've really been doing it all wrong. 😩

[chilly brook]

Of course you can

[honest echo]

I have Necrolords as Covenant too

[sick sentinel]

I cant, Mr. Griff

I play it with the same attention span as my paladin

[spark mortar]

Dude Necro? presses F

[sick sentinel]

vastly different results

[honest echo]

I was wondering why I was struggling

[spark mortar]

@honest echo look at it this way, it's one thing to do a thing wrong and never correct. It's another thing to learn and get better.
There is no waste in doing the thing wrong, because it provides context when you do it "right".

[chilly brook]

The secret to big parses

[sick sentinel]

Dump it all on revenge?

[chilly brook]

Lots of revenge

[sick sentinel]

fuck IP?

[chilly brook]

Less IP

[honest echo]

You're right ... the Necro Transmog is nice at least 😆

[chilly brook]

The difference between the lower parses and the higher is literally just how defensive I have to play

[sick sentinel]

So, TL;DR: pay attention and always press TC and ignore Ignore Pain

I also assume AM as the go-to talent

[chilly brook]

Well TC is basically when I have nothing else

[spark mortar]

If only Necro banner hadn't get gotten nerfed so bad.

[chilly brook]

And to get more rage

[sick sentinel]

Revenge > TC?

[chilly brook]

Ye AM is best for damage in that row

Yep

Revenge does more damage

📈

But a high parse is literally just doing damage

Not necessarily a reflection of best performance

[sick sentinel]

I feel comfortable with survivability atm

I dont have 2 cheat deaths like paladin

but still feel pretty strong

question now is muh damage

[chilly brook]

But basically

If you have a ton of rage

And you've already slammed

And you don't need survivability

You press revenge

1x IP is equivalent to 2 revenge

And 2 revenge is anywhere from like 2k-3.8k damage or something like that

It adds up

[sick sentinel]

at 190 ilevel (Normal logs, btw)

Compare to paladin, same ilevel, same diff

[chilly brook]

Hmmm

[sick sentinel]

same attention span

both Kyrian boys

[chilly brook]

Parsing below 50s is likely just doing something wrong

Even without running dps talents

[sick sentinel]

Im Gandalf the Grey

For ilevel it goes to 40/70, but still

this is trash tier logs

[chilly brook]

Link the warrior logs

[sick sentinel]

lemme find

logs from the whole raid?

[chilly brook]

Yea

Or just the character link

Either or

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QXrdzTmD8VZBCa1k/

I cleared once and got so sad that I never touched it for raiding again

[spark mortar]

I really wish they measured tanking parses based on damage taken vs dealt.

[rancid ember]

7 Hunters in that grp 👀

[chilly brook]

Just right away you need to hit shield slam more

Super easy fix

[last mason]

anyone know how much honor it costs in total to get a ring to 226

[chilly brook]

And it's both a damage and a survival increase

[sick sentinel]

SS is top prio?

[chilly brook]

Yep

Biggest single rage generator and damage dealer in your base kit

[sick sentinel]

And Unstopable Force takes prio over Ravager in ST?

[chilly brook]

Nope

ITF

[ionic fern]

Guides are a starting point for everyone and not everyone wants to do the "bis" stuff. You can still do things with UF up to a certain level. And there are people who enjoy the playstyle more and don't actually NEED Ravager/Bolster etc for the content they are doing, hence the "?". If you go more deeply into the guide in M+ section or Raiding section it shows the "best" talents.

Oh damn, i was wayyyyyyy scrolled up.

[sick sentinel]

ITC always even in a ranged heavy group?

[chilly brook]

Yep

Enemies contribute to the count

[dark lark]

Into The Cray?

[chilly brook]

Enemies and friendlies including pets

[sick sentinel]

oh, pets include?

that is nice

[tardy parcel]

into thunderclap*

[sick sentinel]

Then I also assume Punish for ST fights

[uneven mason]

no

🤮

[sick sentinel]

I assume everything wrong

But if SS is the pogchamp damage dealer, isnt that 20% increase damage great?

[dark lark]

I'm rewatching Darkee's pov of his Denath reclear, and I noticed that in p3 he gets knockbacked towards the middle even though he's facing Denath outside. What's he doing, turning his back?

[ionic fern]

Devastator provides more damage & rage @sick sentinel

[chilly brook]

Avatar>Covenant ability>Shield Slam>Thunderclap if you need rage if not then Revenge with proc>Revenge

That's basically your damage breakdown

[uneven mason]

Unless "Covenant ability" is in which case hit it anyway because it feels good

[chilly brook]

For single target anyways

[sick sentinel]

Hmmm

I'll try this week again

[chilly brook]

Replace revenge with execute in execute phase

[sick sentinel]

Get a fat WA on my face

[uneven mason]

^

[sick sentinel]

I also never use Execute

[uneven mason]

I'm going Night Fae tonight

[sick sentinel]

which is a feelsbad, I guess

[uneven mason]

😟 Never execute?

You poor child

[sick sentinel]

Literally removed it from action bars

[uneven mason]

😡 Now you shut your mouth

[chilly brook]

And revenge/execute moves higher if you need to dump rage but don't need the damage reduction from IP

[uneven mason]

You put that back this instant

[chilly brook]

Its a rage balancing rope that you gotta walk

[fallow mortar]

Execute is useful for getting victory rush procs

[chilly brook]

Execute is great period

[mossy sluice]

@dark lark mirror phase, the knock back from denathrius in his realm is actually a knock forward

[uneven mason]

snipeing KBs

[sick sentinel]

Guess I've been doing the rotation wrong

[dark lark]

What is Darkee doing in this clip? https://clips.twitch.tv/AverageCalmSpiderDerp

@mossy sluice OHH

[uneven mason]

#Mythic

[chilly brook]

In 8 casts

[sick sentinel]

Hmmmmm

[dark lark]

I thought he was doing some leap or intervene shenanigans but the CDs on his bars weren't right

[chilly brook]

It catches up fast

[grave flume]

If you position (in)correctly in his hit box he’ll knock you forward

[sick sentinel]

You have DR and not Booming Voice?

[chilly brook]

For single target pumps ye

BV is better for anything other than strictly single target

[uneven mason]

I might have a problem with what I spend my rage on

[sick sentinel]

Hmmmmm

today I learned a lot!

thank you! <2

❤️

[chilly brook]

My queen will welcome you with open arms

[uneven mason]

Its because now that I'm actually tanking

I'm addicted to condemn

[fallow mortar]

How is your condemn damage lower than shield slam o.o

[uneven mason]

and

[sick sentinel]

[chilly brook]

Oh and Niya is bae

Such a good soulbind

[uneven mason]

Because there is a range

where you can't condemn targets GTKA

[dark lark]

@uneven mason how you liking venthyr in m+? And what are you progging on?

[chilly brook]

To be fair

[fallow mortar]

I normally have my condemn doing more dmg.

[chilly brook]

Shield slam does a very comparable amount of damage done to execute

[limpid burrow]

What weapon enchant i should use

[uneven mason]

☝️ said I'm swapping to Butterfly people tonight

[fallow mortar]

SIM the different enchants

[dark lark]

😦

[uneven mason]

Condemn feels good to press, not so good for actually tanking

[chilly brook]

Eh who am I kidding

[fickle dust]

Until @chilly brook gets around to making more vids, who should I watch on YT?

[chilly brook]

Execute is 2x the shield slam

[fallow mortar]

Condeming during boss fights though 😈

[dark lark]

watch sense

[chilly brook]

Sense is great

If you're looking for some general tank stuff Dorki is good too but he plays bear

Growl is good too but hes healer PoV

[sweet summit]

love growl and dorki

they own

[chilly brook]

I think @signal plover has some raid tanking content as prot

[gilded glade]

Are yyou guys having issues finding groups for mid range keys in m+? like 13-15ish? heck i can hardly get groups to 10s on my warrior because everyone wants dh/monks =/

[chilly brook]

Its rough

Community perception kicks in pretty hard

[gilded glade]

the bloody "tanking" meta is dumb af. Its more kiting than actually tanking

[chilly brook]

Best advice I can give is push your own keys

And be picky on who you take

Build your io that way

And you'll probably have better key experiences as well

Build a network

Etc.

[fickle dust]

Thanks @dark lark, @chilly brook, @sweet summit for the recs 👍

[chilly brook]

👌

Sometimes you also just get a lemon group like I did last night lol

[mossy sluice]

500 io disc priest

[amber herald]

who else is nf? I'm getting a bug where your shield sticks out of the top of my soulshape

[chilly brook]

Get it all the time annoys the hell out of me

[amber herald]

looks very silly

apparently the charge on korayn is bugged too if you're using directional blinking

[chilly brook]

But then I'd have to not use Niya

[amber herald]

I run niya but korayn has some fun stuff

[chilly brook]

Niya is already a pumper

But she gonna be a big pumper when we get burrs

[uneven mason]

Does IP trigger herbs?

[amber herald]

really? I kinda assumed her whole row was bad

[uneven mason]

Niya's final ability

[chilly brook]

Nah burrs pumps

[dark lark]

Burrs go brrr?

[uneven mason]

was looking at Dreamweaver...

[uneven mason]

blossoms

once thats a thing

12% haste ever 1.25min

[chilly brook]

But then youd have to be dreamweaver

[uneven mason]

soothing voice with shockwave~

like DKs

[amber herald]

watching my entire team wipe while I chill in a pod does appeal to me

in a way...

[uneven mason]

oh 2s thought it was 6s

[uneven mason]

right

[amber herald]

same reason I shadowmeld on my guardian sometimes to kill melee

but not actually useful

[uneven mason]

used General lastnight for tnaking

[chilly brook]

Like Niya just is a no brainer from a DPS standpoint

Her mastery buff is nuts

[uneven mason]

got crunched on Sunking, wiped out all the adds

got back up from Bres

[chilly brook]

And burrs is basically just as good

And that's just single target

[uneven mason]

yeah 12% HP and 300 mastery every 1.25 min

sounds good

[amber herald]

why'd you go nf out of interest?

[uneven mason]

(He's a furry)

[chilly brook]

I like the ability better

Feels much more impactful in m+ tbh

And I'm a damage whore

[uneven mason]

NF trucks in M+

[minor fog]

what slot y'all put tw in?

[amber herald]

Yeah the stuns aren't half bad either

[chilly brook]

Actually the biggest reason?

[uneven mason]

cloak because I had good shoulders already

[amber herald]

I was wondering do the knockdowns share DR with stomrbolt/shockwave?

[true tree]

Any idea on how to increase the parses even more, currently missing damage trinks and my groups take an average of 5 minutes a fight

[chilly brook]

And this is gonna sound REALLY stupid

But I cant stand having to run in circles to pickup mastery orbs from pepegos

[amber herald]

lmao

good a reason as any

[uneven mason]

Are you Venthyr?

[chilly brook]

Have shorter fights lmao

[uneven mason]

and that yeah

[true tree]

no im nightfae

[chilly brook]

Spend more rage on damage

[uneven mason]

Go Venthyr

truckatrucka

[chilly brook]

There's really not much more

[true tree]

well it pisses me off because the second best prot warrior in the world is on my server and he has almost all 100s and was kyrian then swapped to nightfae

😠

[amber herald]

furry gang ✊

[chilly brook]

Those heroic parses or?

Most of these are like 3-4 minute kills

Oh you could also just get huge ilvl

That's another way lol

Oh

Pay your priest for power infusion

📈

[signal plover]

I'm banned from PI :(

[sweet summit]

kill things faster, use more revenges/executes

thats the secret

[lavish oracle]

I wish our DPS wasnt so directly linked to our survivability

[chilly brook]

Someone actually paid our priest for PI

[dark lark]

LUL

[lavish oracle]

Lol

[civic rover]

is that facebook LMAO

[lavish oracle]

Zello maybe

[dark lark]

venmo

[chilly brook]

Venmo

[civic rover]

my guild has a snapchat group 😩

its literally just everyone sending stupid selfies

[chilly brook]

Literally in discord I hear during raid "hey check your phone"

Priest starts laughing

[civic rover]

[mossy sluice]

tryin to convince our spriests to play simpriest legendary

[civic rover]

dude i cant raid anymore it makes me sad

[chilly brook]

I wish I had a token enhance shaman

Itd be an extra 200dps

[mossy sluice]

big devastator dam

[chilly brook]

It's actually super good

Just obviously DPS gain more

So I get to cry in the corner

[signal plover]

I managed to sneak myself into the WF group a couple times before the RL noticed

[chilly brook]

Looool

If our token shaman ever gets his internet fixed I'll try that

Just ran a sim to see what windfury would actually break down to

And I got 6.6k dps

Then I realized I left it on 3 target

[dry spear]

The pin states not to take the covenant specific potent if you are venthyr. Instead i should go with force. But isnt the absorb from condemn kinda good? Up to 10%?or not enough?

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately I couldn't tell you

[sweet summit]

show of force is so fucking bad i just take ashen

[dry spear]

I ewanna try drake tomorrow. With endurace at the start.

[sweet summit]

i honestly think enduring gloom is stronger than one endurance, if youre talking draven

[silk edge]

With niya we go for the double endurance path right ?

Thats the most dmg if look at what Griff linked ?

[chilly brook]

Yes

Our potency conduits aren't that great

You basically use the covenant potency, the rally finesse, and then unnerving focus and stalwart guardian or w/e the shield wall one is

[undone jacinth]

when you try to pug your weekly 15s 😂

[silk edge]

Yea thats what i roll with

[grave flume]

Is it worth the swap from Kyrian to Nf for mythic raiding?

[mossy sluice]

dps ahead of the tank? dream group

[undone jacinth]

tyrannical packs feeling like fortified because nobody is doing dmg

[chilly brook]

They're both roughly the same

Some just prefer NF

So yea

I need a token shaman

Gotta get that extra 200 dps

[grave flume]

The only thing that I don’t like about it is that I don’t like targeted abilities that are on the gcd. I end up losing a few in hectic fights trying to throw spear down.

[chilly brook]

Cast at cursor

[mossy sluice]

just make a macro

@cursor

[chilly brook]

Or cast at self

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[grave flume]

Can you link the script for that? I have no clue how to make macros lmao

For the cursor*

[mossy sluice]

/cast [@cursor] Spear of Bastion

[sweet summit]

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Spear of Bastion

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Ravager

[grave flume]

Dope. Ty.

[dawn imp]

anyone know how to deal with dark stride in spires 11? our holy priest cant deal with that dot solo

[fallow mortar]

Spam IP and hope your healer can heal through it

[sweet summit]

dark stride cant target the tank

person its on need to pop personal

or healer gives them GS

idk how hpriest works

but just spam heal that person

there is not a lot of tank damage there

[hot zealot]

Night fae or Kyrian for m+

[sweet summit]

whatever u prefer

[heady gyro]

I just switched to Kyrian and loving the spear

especially in Theater of Pain with all the jumpy guys

[vestal moat]

How are you guys handling explosives? Just kill the ones within each reach? Do you kill ones at mid range and risk moving mobs and losing dps ? Or not touching them at all lol.

[amber herald]

kill as many as quickly as I can whenever I'm not having to concentrate particularly hard on survving

[lofty widget]

is a 203 crit haste ring with socket better than a 213 haste vers ring without?

[strong forum]

yes

[sour phoenix]

How big of an advantage is Kyrian over night fae?

Also, what happens to your covenant gear that you currently have equipped when you switch :p

[lusty marsh]

Roughly the same

You keep it

But it becomes unmoggable

Or maybe that's just weapons

[sour phoenix]

Ohhh okay makes sense. I thought about making the switch but I’m not sure if it’s altogether worth it.

[lusty marsh]

It's a reported bug

I don't think it's that big a deal unless you pvp.

[sour phoenix]

I don’t pvp, would love to build a rating so I can actually get into rated bgs for the weeklies but that’s about it.

[carmine ore]

hey guys i dont see it mentioned on icy veins, is the spike trinket from destroyer any good?

[lusty marsh]

It's not terrible, I'm using it right now for ilvl.

I'd rather scale and anima field though

[carmine ore]

ofc

ill use it in the meantime then thxù

[lusty marsh]

During raid it procs about 10 times a fight

[sour phoenix]

Is there a website showing BiS items for prot and where to get them

[lusty marsh]

I'd check the links in #268491842637660160 .

[sour phoenix]

Kk will do. Thanks

[lusty marsh]

That feel when you see a prot in log review asking for help and check them out and they are 9/10 heroic.

I must first learn to help myself

[thin cape]

anyone find that they sometimes take big damage spikes? I got slapped by heroic huntsman for 37k from his Shoot on Tuesday and I don't know why or how

my damage intake was pretty smooth and then all of a sudden I was dead LOL

[lusty marsh]

Log?

[thin cape]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R7LFDTzW3bhwkpfB#fight=10&type=damage-taken&source=10

I'm trying to figure out how to read logs at the moment

[chilly brook]

You can if you have literally nothing available

A lot of the bosses also just slap

[lusty marsh]

Sorry got called away by work for a second.

[thin cape]

No worries homie

[lusty marsh]

Humans shoot normally does 30-36k

You just got slapped with no mitigation up.

[thin cape]

That's exactly what I figured happened, I just fucked up

[lusty marsh]

So you took the full hit

[thin cape]

I'll have to take Bolster to fill in the shield block gaps

[lusty marsh]

That will definitely help

[ocean bloom]

Should I only use wall when I don't have shield block up? Or is it more nuanced than that

[lusty marsh]

It depends on how damage comes in. On the gunman himself I'd use it to fill gaps.

On dogs I tended to use it in burst windows like soul rip.

Really depends on the fight and your roll in it.

Typically if there is a big mechanic that tends to distract my healers I will use wall

[steady spruce]

Are we supposed to get the bombs on Milificent Manastorm?

[lusty marsh]

For example if I'm active tank on hungering after consume.

[steady spruce]

like

[lusty marsh]

I'll wall because healers are moving and focusing on people who messed up mechanics

[undone jacinth]

whats ur healer doing on milli if they aren't doing bombs

[sand obsidian]

Is the darmoon tank trinket worth picking up on fresh alt?

[steady spruce]

complaining i guess

[undone jacinth]

nah @sand obsidian

just buy the haste one instead

the dps one

[sick sentinel]

u spam right click on the boss as soon as the bomb appears and somehow the bomb dissapears the healer is claiming? intertesting

[lusty marsh]

Damn thurn, Idk what the typical strat is for bombs but it's just another thing to remember to communicate with your group on in the future

[steady spruce]

the typical strat so i thought was to let the dps handle it

[undone jacinth]

I didn't know about that bomb tech, I will try it, but certainly seems like the healer has capacity to do them on that fight

dps shouldnt need to

[steady spruce]

if i can cheese them by spam right click i don't see why DPS wouldn't be able to do the same

[undone jacinth]

they should be doing dmg

[gray furnace]

is crit recommended for m+ to get more revenge procs to do more damage? or is there another reason

[lusty marsh]

Yeah, I have my dps run after bombs but they are all guildies

I rarely pug

[steady spruce]

I mean the healer have to heal the huuuge amount of damage Chainsaw does

[strong forum]

Pretty sure a warri dies if he does bombs on high keys

[undone jacinth]

its not recommended is the short answer

[lusty marsh]

Our stat priority is more stat.

[undone jacinth]

if you have the bleed then yeah

[lusty marsh]

Slight leaning towards haste

[strong forum]

Spread dps around in a circle around milli and everybody does bombs if they run through them

Tbh

That's what I would do

[steady spruce]

unless your kyrian flask has a 10 second CD i don't know how you doge all the bleeds ahaha

[undone jacinth]

it is not healing intensive

they can just chase

or dps can do also

[strong forum]

Yup

[steady spruce]

Hmm

I'd say heal is pretty intensive on the manastorms

[undone jacinth]

but if that bomb tech works

that is pretty good tbh

[steady spruce]

Whereas dps isn't really important on the manastorms

[undone jacinth]

yeah it is

[steady spruce]

unless they kill one of the bosses while the other is at 50% hp

how so

[undone jacinth]

well yeah depends a lot on key and if you've killed millhouse and if you can 1 phase milli

either way the point is if people arent gonna die then generally all shit jobs are healer jobs lol

like doing the mists maze etc

[strong forum]

^

[steady spruce]

hmm i dunno

i feel like a hunter can easily do bombs while not losing much dps

the dps were one monk, one rogue, one hunter

how can't they deal with the bobms

And especially think that the tank will do them in a PUG

you have a very good point but maybe not for pugs

imo

[lusty marsh]

You can never predict what a pug thinks.

[feral gulch]

I never really expect other people to do anything in a pug, I always try to do stuff myself

[gray furnace]

in higher keys are you guys running any dps conduits or just going defensive stuff?

[steady spruce]

yeah that's what i did until doing 12+ keys (do stuff like dps mechanics and CC/interrupt)

[lusty marsh]

[lofty widget]

conduits dont change in higher keys

[undone jacinth]

there arent really any conduits that do great defense or offense

so you just pick ur faves

[lusty marsh]

I still think stalwart guardian is the best conduit we have.

[undone jacinth]

rallying cry conduit imo

[lusty marsh]

Oh, that one is good too

[lofty widget]

i prefer unnerving focus, feels like a weird, scuffed, aditional cd to use

[undone jacinth]

people just dont look in the finesse section lol

[gray furnace]

i use the shockwave one tbh

[undone jacinth]

shockwave is very sucky

[tepid yarrow]

How about nightfae prot in mythic+ comparing with kyrian prot?

[lusty marsh]

About the same, slight edge on caster packs.

[undone jacinth]

pretty even til you get to necrotic week xd

[lusty marsh]

The knockdown is dope.

[lofty widget]

night fae is best, both rage and damage wise if you can keep them still, kyrian best for kiting/running, at least that's my understanding

[lusty marsh]

Kiting is good because of leap and intervene.

Less because of spear

[lofty widget]

what i meant was, spear is good whether youre kiting or not, aftershock isnt

but phial is still stupid good

[undone jacinth]

night fae get niya though

[lusty marsh]

Kleia Phial is really nice on necrotic.

[undone jacinth]

I also find 1mins actually line up pretty horrible in m+ compared to 1.5mins

but maybe just me

[lusty marsh]

Idk much about niya, in all honesty.

[undone jacinth]

shes a complete babe

gives you the big mastery

the big hp

[worn bear]

AA can become a 1m15s cd

[undone jacinth]

and gives u some herbs along the way

[worn bear]

it’s pretty damn nice

[lusty marsh]

I don't need more mastery

[undone jacinth]

you think that

until she invigorates you

[lusty marsh]

I'm at like 28% thanks to my dang neck.

[undone jacinth]

doesnt matter

[worn bear]

12% max hp just for pressing aftershock is sick

[undone jacinth]

more is more pump

[solemn night]

Is thunderlord arguably better for higher keys than the wall, if I only tank M+ content?

[lusty marsh]

That's a debate for the ages.

[solemn night]

I read the guide it said it's arguable, lol

[fallow mortar]

then you have your answer

it is simply a matter of preference

[lusty marsh]

I personally love my wall

[solemn night]

My question wasn't answered by it stating that it's "arguable," I asked because I would like to know reasons why

[undone jacinth]

it just doesn't make enough difference to have a big reason

one makes you a bit tankier in awful situations

one gives you more consistency

both work out roughly the same

because your play is 100x more important

[lofty widget]

similar discussion to crackling vs bounding?

[undone jacinth]

I would say yes but some people are really in to their legos

[lofty widget]

ppl are using both legendaries for high m+ (top 10 on rio), so it really is just personal preference

[coral marsh]

because both are bad

[chilly brook]

phuck you @strong forum uWu

[dawn imp]

203 neck with 127haste 50 mas or 213 neck with 144 mas and 50 haste?

[amber herald]

what's good about vulpera?

[solemn night]

absolutely notihng

[astral crystal]

discord memes

[chilly brook]

nose for trouble

[dawn imp]

haha

[broken light]

is thunderlord absolute bis for m+?

im about to craft i plan to tank solely m+

[west kayak]

That or The Wall works nicely as well.

[undone jacinth]

best thing about vulpera is making camp at the start of a dungeon so people can change their talents

[covert bison]

is the tank warrior used for mythical? I see that it is low in the tier and I think they will not invite me if I use one

[west kayak]

I get invited and have no issues running keys. There are those that only look at that stuff and invite accordingly. Others know better.

[covert bison]

Thanks man, I'm looking for a tank and the other classes don't catch my eye so much

[open monolith]

@chilly brook AYYYY VULPERA BUDDIES

Look forward to meeting you at furcon, uwu

[solemn night]

Which path are y'all talking if you're going Draven? I'm assuming the left so you can go stalwart guardian/unnerving?

[sweet surge]

Does the Vulpera racial (bag of tricks or whatever) do any worthwhile damage over the course of a M+ run?

[clever bronze]

With [The Wall], should I take Anger Management or do I still want HR/Bolster?

[lofty widget]

you can play AM in lower keys but bolster is still needed for high keys

[clever bronze]

I'll take AM, then, because I'm gonna start farming Theater of Pain for an Arms leggo.

[lusty marsh]

AM for dam Bolster for live

[clever bronze]

So not even M+.

Do I want UF or do I stick to Ravager?

[lofty widget]

ravager always

[clever bronze]

Just always?

[lofty widget]

or rather, never UF

[clever bronze]

Damn, I really do gotta be constantly updating my talent notes.

BV still the best even without Thunderlord?

[lofty widget]

yea it is, Dragon roar isnt worth it ever since the target cap

[clever bronze]

So the only talent rows with meaningful throughput choices are 15 and 50

[analog burrow]

I always get the "prot warrior, you don't see those." 😂

[clever bronze]

I got [Unhinged] in one run.

Way better luck than when I was getting my [Deathmaker].

Shit took me a week of 1-3 runs almost every night.

[chilly brook]

It's a baby trinket basically

Works into our dead GCDs kinda well tbh

[scarlet copper]

thoughts of viscera of coalesced hatred? I got a 210 of it, not sure if worth

my other two are 210 scale and 226 decanter

[solemn night]

Are we going double endurance if we go Draven or is that shield on the other path worthwhile

[chilly brook]

Draven just doesn't look like an optimal soulbind

[solemn night]

I main arms, I just didnt want to switch back and forth

[fringe marten]

Mythic Hunger down..and as ALWAYS, I got 50 gold~ Loot this xpac is SO GUD

[hard lodge]

!

[fickle dust]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=320484/loot-from-dungeons-and-raids-pc-gamer-shadowlands-interview-with-ion-hazzikostas

[unkempt ruin]

do you really run ravager with thunderlords or can you run UF?

for m+

[worthy ingot]

Quick question, does taunting mid Shattering Pain on sire split the hits or will they still all go to the original target

[lofty widget]

yes canitank, although you can run AM+UF, this is generally not advised since the 'filler' shield block we get from bolster is too good and ravager outperforms UF on damage and rage gained

[cloud gorge]

Is there a reason no one is NF? I feel like the knockdown would be strong in M+?

[next copper]

Kyrian generates rage.

And it bursts hard. Good everywhere, but it's basically a mini cooldown with the instant rage.

Before I swapped, I tanked heroic Artificer and saved it for the Glyph swap, since I could use double IP with Spell Reflect and never need another cooldown to mitigate. Sort of like a faster return Ravager.

[vestal moat]

/bigwigs

[sand obsidian]

Any tips for shield block uptime for a new tank and also when its better to spend rage on IP instead of revenge? Feel like I'm doing no dps if I don't spam revenge

[limpid pawn]

hey

for mists 2nd boss

is there a weakaura that just does it for you

on the spot

[astral crystal]

6/10m bois we made it, now the hard bosses

[heavy sail]

Good luck bröther

[open bluff]

good rule of thumb: revenge is never worth spending rage on

[astral crystal]

revenge is good to use for dmg, just make sure it doesn't compromise your ability to live

[open bluff]

mind you that's not a 100% set in stone rule, but if you have to decide between revenge and IP, revenge isn't the answer

[unkempt ruin]

is the damage output with the 2 mythic+ builds similar?

[sand obsidian]

So essentially the only "spammable" damage abilities we use are Thunderclap and Shield slam?

[lusty marsh]

and revenge!

[modern brook]

margrave being last boss is actually the biggest fuck you

watching pugs burn 16 minutes dying to tentacles is painful

[heavy sail]

Revenge is fine to use and you should use it, but it’s a balancing act.

If you’re ever rage starved for defensives, reel it back

If you ever are rage capped

Spam away

Margrave is a joke, that fight’s like easier than all the trash in that dungeon.

[modern brook]

👍

[last mason]

tyrannical margraze easy?

[heavy sail]

For sure yeah

There’s like one mechanic that matters

[gaunt oar]

Margrave is a better safety dance than heigen

[grizzled forge]

can you spell reflect rip soul

[astral crystal]

No but you do take 20% less dmg from it with SR up

Ideally you have demo/sr/ip up for each rip

[grizzled forge]

gotcha

[modern brook]

sL confirmed 2 things, theres a furry on the design team of wow, and every fucking player has a tentacle fetish

just absolutely rawdogging every fucking tentacle that shows up

[hollow anvil]

Guys, is prot a meme now? I love my brewmaster to death but I want an alt and I dont enjoy VDH no matter how OP it is

[heavy sail]

It’s not a meme it’s a good spec.

There isn’t a single bad tanking spec atm, all of the fluff is just community perception

[gaunt oar]

Wasn’t it a prot war on world first denny?

[heavy sail]

Yup

[gaunt oar]

^

[heavy sail]

Best physical damage mitigation by a wide margin

All that said though pwarr is definitely the “worst” tanking spec, it’s just that the label doesn’t matter when all the specs are varying degrees of good.

[thin cape]

Iirc there’s an interview with Limit where they say they would have not taken a prot warrior if they had known it’d be the “worst” tank or something

I think it was along the lines of it’s just harder to play and your mistakes are more punishing than other tanks

[austere tundra]

I usually form m+ groups and I had no problems with tank warriors. The worst players in my experience were prot pallies

[lavish hare]

Got a party yesterday on Plague +10 that was clearing perfectly, one phased first boss and all. But failed tentacles on last so hard that we had to quit it!

[heavy sail]

That’s nuts

[lavish hare]

Like you wont believe

Maybe lost of focus, after first wipe, dunno

[austere tundra]

@lavish hare just move between the "edges" of the tentacle spawns

that boss tends to make people totally tilt

[lavish hare]

Will try to mark me and stack all with me to move, maybe help the mechs

[heavy sail]

The tyrannical fight that my pugs always seem to struggle with is Xy’exa

[austere tundra]

for me its mistcaller

[heavy sail]

When that fight lasts longer than 2 minutes everyone loses their grip on reality

[austere tundra]

people dont seem to realize that adds spawn explosives nonstop

[lavish hare]

Also DOS people join and think they will clear only clicking hit buttons, no working mechs. Second boss for instance, people get the marks and run away, instead of standing with boss between

I got to say that tanks have little work in this expansion tbh

[austere tundra]

I'm not even trying dos this week lol

can already imagine the pain

[lavish hare]

If your party fails, its mostly because DPS had little to no clue of mechs

Its not that hard tbh. Last week for me was harder cause of sanguine

[heavy sail]

DoS feels awkwardly harder to time than other dungeons.

[lavish hare]

This week at least is being easier. Packs are going down with no trouble at all

Maybe I improved aswell, dont know

[heavy sail]

Not like it’s really hard or anything, it’s just the balance of the dungeon is weird.

[austere tundra]

yeah but if you wipe on a boss

your timer is in danger

[worn bear]

it's a really tight timer

[lavish hare]

DOS NEEDS a DK dps to time

[worn bear]

even post-buff it's rough

[austere tundra]

why?

lol

[lavish hare]

You need to CC cultist to increase dmg

[austere tundra]

you mean mc?

[lavish hare]

Ye

[austere tundra]

you will need a frost for that

unholy wont mc, it takes away his pet

better to have a blood tanking tbh

[lavish hare]

Control undead with Risen cultist

[austere tundra]

sure, but if a unholy does that, he loses 60% of his damage

[lavish hare]

I think the output of dark lotus from cultists supress that

Will try again later and bring back

[placid oar]

Hi guys, just a question for weapon enchants

Is lightless force better than celestial for dps in M+?

Am trying out which is actually better

[lavish hare]

Celestial all the way for me, dunno how much it can improve to be honest

[heavy sail]

Sim it @placid oar

I believe lightless force is the best overall though

[tropic drum]

are we going to be op at the end of this xpac like most xpacs before?

[heavy sail]

Who knows

[tropic drum]

or should i not look forward to that anymore

i am literally a battle shout machine

with a more glorified role

i really dream of the day when prot warrior best tank in sl with good defensive and highest dps of all tank

[lavish hare]

You can do it I believe, but not easy work. Have to work your CD’s properly and on specific packs

Prot for me is huge fun to play

If you lead your party right, you will do fine and dont need to rely on “dps” to be good

We have huge mitigation, and tons of dmg output

[placid oar]

Ah okay, thank u guys

[broken stratus]

tons of damage output if you spam revenge and forgo ip and sb

[lusty marsh]

never forgo sb

[lavish hare]

Kite is huge important to learn aswell to reduce dmg intake

Shockwave and spear helps a lot

[sand obsidian]

Any rage generations outside of shield slam/thunderclap that I'm not thinking of? (I know demoralizing, avatar, kyrian ability and ravager)

[solemn magnet]

Charge

[grizzled forge]

whats punish max out at?

n the multiple punishments overlap

[flint cliff]

Is there any chance that ravager ever will procc Signet leggo as prot or is it confirmed to work as intended?

[placid oar]

Guys, I’m sorry I gave warrior tanks a bad rep.

I just screwed a 14 dos due to a bad lag and the key owner started saying he will never invite a warrior tank again

Hai, it’s one of the worse feeling man

[lavish hare]

🤣

[placid oar]

I just timed a 14 TOP but what can I do when my screen froze

[lavish hare]

Dont worry

[placid oar]

He even said I wasted my io score.

[lavish hare]

Wow has millions of players hehe

[placid oar]

I told him he can blame me but don’t judge the class

The lag freezes are frustrating

[heavy sail]

To be fair DoS is pretty shitty for Prot to handle.

So much magic damage

[lavish hare]

I learned to play it the hard way

But now i feel more confortable there

Kite a lot

[placid oar]

I done the first pull quite a fair bit but nth comes out when I was spamming

[lavish hare]

Spell reflect and IP

Kyrian potion on skeleton dinos

[placid oar]

It was more of the lag and giving u guys a bad rep

It is frustrating

[lavish hare]

Cold sweats when you icons are all selected but you dont move

😬

[placid oar]

It is

Does not help at all

No aggro etc even when I was spamming

I even used my mass taunt

Nth happen

Anyway, sry for the rant. I just felt really bad for giving u guys a bad rep

I was decent till that run and how that guy judged warriors

[lusty marsh]

Council DOWN

woooo

[lavish hare]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[lusty marsh]

H sludge slaps

btw

We did a for fun pull to finish the night off

[sterile moss]

It may be time to change trinkets guys

now has its CD reset after boss encounters

[novel field]

i asked this in the dps channels but anyone have thoughts of using sephuz in m+?

[dark lark]

Stupid question: on Denathrius p2, should I be strafing/backpedaling into the mirror? It's always so disorienting because when you come out the other side you're facing outward but potentially still moving by holding S or AD

But if I run straight with W, he just eats my unmitigated ass

[modern gale]

I wouldn't, I've seen too many people run off the edge doing that

[dark lark]

Yeaj I nearly do that when I strafe

Always so weird

[lusty marsh]

Does sludge primary target mitigation no longer matter for the secondary target?

[dark lark]

Pretty sure both tanks have to use mitigation now

[lusty marsh]

When did that change?

[dark lark]

Giant Fists is not affected by the primary target's mitigation

[timber dagger]

any thoughts on night fae prot warr

compared to kyrian

[broken stratus]

If you like m+, potion to remove poison, disease and bleed is pretty huge

[jagged pier]

you both get meleed for the same

[chilly brook]

I prefer NF to Kyrian for keys

Actually in general tbh

They're both roughly equal

You get more damage from your ability, more rage on 3+ targets, your ability locks down caster packs for the duration, soulshape actually I find quite useful

I find the Kyrian potion to be largely able to be substituted through other utility or just simply by moving out of melee range for a few seconds

[sick sentinel]

Spearing stuff for up to 4 sec is pretty clutch on higher keys, 1.5 sec is not a long time, especially on packs that has leaping mobs, the potion also comes in super handy in alot of dungeons, especially with kleia and the ability to not get any poison, bleed, curse, disease effect for 8 sec following the use of it

[eager phoenix]

Same could be said about Spear though. Yes, less lockdown on casters via NF or an additional melee kiting tool via Spear. If you're running with a mage you got 2 short cd aoe interrupts though shockwave and db anyways.

[ionic fern]

And Storm Bolt. 👀

Oh, aoe.

I also prefer Kyrian, makes a lot of things easy/non issues. All the bleeds/poisons/diseases blablabla.

[eager phoenix]

Idk, throw together 5 people and run a key and I feel you got 3 aoe interrupts for any given heavy caster pack.

[ionic fern]

Hah

10=% not.

100%*

Not in a pug

They don't even know they got a normal interrupt.

[eager phoenix]

if you want to do proportionally more in a pug context to carry the group sure, nf might be practically smoother

[ionic fern]

I found myself kiting a ton more in pugs to facilidate for the lack of them not interrupting.

[sick sentinel]

Given that in any dungeon the most dmg you will get is from melee, i would rather want a extra kiting tool and rely on my own ability to shockwave, reflect and interrupt. If they cant interrupt they cant peel for you either

[ionic fern]

That is correct, BUT there's a difference in "most damage dealt in a dungeon" and "Most deadly".

DOuble casts can one shot you.

On higher keys.

[eager phoenix]

i agree. getting proper slows to enable kite is basically as hard in a pug context as coordinating aoe interrupts for casters. back when frost mage was meta it solved itself

[ionic fern]

All in all tho, both have their plusses and minuses and both are great in Mythic+ so pick your poison.

[eager phoenix]

ye

[sand obsidian]

do the torghast beasts actually make a difference or should I just take one of the epic powers in the beginning

[sweet summit]

The one that aoe interrupts is cool, but they do fuck all damage

[ionic fern]

I wonder why wouldn't they provide all the Covenant abilities as a choice regardless of your Covenant choice..Then your Covenant would have actually been just a semi visual thing. 😦
Yes, people would have probably taken Spear/AA + Potion most likely but then again..we have that right now as well. 👀

[ionic fern]

I picked the beast in one..and it was pretty lackluster, never again.

[sand obsidian]

thats what i figured, i think i took it once and didnt even notice what it was doing lol

[frail oar]

Mine one shot the boss when it exploded

[real orchid]

does anyone know if m15+ drops 213 conduits?

[sweet summit]

They dont

200 ismax from dungeons, after that you gotta do venari

[real orchid]

ah, k

[strong forum]

Loot is kaka

[real orchid]

so other than heorics/mythic raids, the only way to upgrade conduits that drop from dungones is through venari?

[strong forum]

Yes

The only way to get potency conduits above 200 is through venari

And those on the pvp vendor

[ionic fern]

Just go Venthyr so you don't need to get any Potency conduits.

[strong forum]

200iq

[finite onyx]

thinking of going leaper prot warrior for rated BG's

any idea how viable that is?

[fallow mortar]

seems legit if you get the stun on HL

[strong forum]

Its the go-to if you're FC i think

[dry spear]

isn't condemn a quite good damage midigation? with shield block up? or better to pool the rage for IP?

[strong forum]

Condemn is decent mitigation, however it only applies to the target you actually attack with condemn

So it doesn't translate well into aoe

In ST it's pretty good

[dry spear]

yeah thanks. i just try to figure out a good combination of conduits for draven. i find show of force kinda meh. and i dont wanna put in ashen.

[strong forum]

Well ashen is the better on to slot in as venthyr tbh

*best potency

[dry spear]

but i do not gain any defensiv from it. so no show of force and ashen in yeah?

and with "the wall" i should put in stalward first?

[strong forum]

Well, potency conduits generally don't give you any defensive benefits

Stalward or Unnerving, ideally both

Doesn't make a huge difference

[dry spear]

ok mate. thanks

[sweet summit]

But draven forces me to take one 😩

[dry spear]

so i could take the shield on door of shadow with rallye cry or the speed thing with unnerving. stalward is in the bottom one.

in fact with draven you will end up with 2 potency? hold your ground looks very strong

[strong forum]

I think draven forces you into 2 potency ye

[sweet summit]

Yah :(

Ashen+SoF i guess

[sweet summit]

I took shield on door, and unnerving on the bottom one

[fallow mortar]

how does he force 2 potency?

is hold your ground just that good?

[undone jacinth]

I imagine tactics would probably be better most of the time

if that’s still a thing

[jagged pier]

i doubt it i dont think i ever stand still that long tbh

[undone jacinth]

you’d do it if you had it but it’d be pretty toxic

[sweet summit]

Its the best defensive option at the bottom tier

Arguably better than an extra endurance conduit

[dry cairn]

Are conduits for other classes/specs equally as weak as ours? FeelsBadMan

[sweet summit]

Warrior in general has bad ones

Idk

[undone jacinth]

debatable that it’s the best option even for pure defensive in m+ at least

[strong forum]

Pwar has pretty bad conduits

[sweet summit]

Its good until you need to kite i mean

[strong forum]

Vdh has quite amazing endurance conduits

And pally has insane potency conduits

[ionic fern]

I rarely stand still in m+. 👀

[dry cairn]

feels like VDH can do everything Pwar can do, just way better and faster

[sweet summit]

They cant spell reflect 👀

[strong forum]

They also can't stun

Or block tank busters

[dry cairn]

thanks, makes me appreciate it a bit more

[strong forum]

Whenever I played my dh I instantly notice the lack of stuns

Makes me feel insanely useless

Cuz you can't stop 4billion mechanics

[dry cairn]

yeah Warr has like what 3 stuns, 4 with Stormbolt

[strong forum]

Well 2 stuns 1 fear

All on relatively short CD

[dry cairn]

in Thorgast it's pretty dope

i don't think i've ever failed a Thorgast run tbh, it's kinda sluggish but always successful

[dry spear]

but why is it that prot warr is so underrepresented? because hard to master? or too much magical dmg in the dungeons?

[dry cairn]

all of these and more

[sweet summit]

Warrior has great tools against magic damage wdym 👀

[dry spear]

i have a like 15 ilvl lower brewmaster and i have not so much problem. (well ok, i find prot kinda hard to play because you have to watch your stuff more and i'm really new to prot)

[ionic fern]

Because WF mythic+ players are playing FOTM class which is NOT warrior.
And people follow them blindly for their +10 keys.

• we received bad community perception in Alpha which has not gone away yet.

[dry spear]

my main specc is arms and i got like 1330 io score. yesterday i wanted to tank a key. they kicked me all the time

[ionic fern]

Mostly because you had score as Arms? 👀

I haven't been kicked from keys.

[dry spear]

yeah sure but a 10 key?

[ionic fern]

Yeah. 🙂

I try to DPS from time to time and also get ignored.

[dry spear]

kinda elitest thinking to kick a 1300+ player from a 10 key

[ionic fern]

Since all my keys are as tank.

[dry spear]

even if it is a different specc

[ionic fern]

I would also tbh.
if you can play DPS it does not mean you can tank.

🤷

[dry spear]

hmmm.

[ionic fern]

If you had any +10 keys tanked previously then it's another story.

[dry cairn]

there's a toxic meta of "bring the class/spec, not the player" going on

[ionic fern]

If you only have keys done as DPS then i wouldn't.

[dry spear]

it would be ok if it was a 14 or 15+ key.

well ok. then i need to step my game up 😄

and do some intern keys with my guild

[ionic fern]

Tanks have a lot of pressure in the dungeon to make the run go smoothly..
Everyone expects you to:
Know your class
Know the route
Know when to kite
Know the pulls
etcetcetc

[blazing condor]

where do we get upgrades to Piercing Verdict (the soul bind)

[jagged pier]

vinari

[sweet summit]

From world boss and venari

[dry spear]

no argue against that. but when u play all the keys intime 15+ then you sknow the routes just by running the keys over and over again.

[blazing condor]

cheers

[dry spear]

but kiting is another think. that might something i really need to learn

[ionic fern]

Sure.
As i said, i play tank for all my keys...when i do go DPS i do like..3k overall which is pretty lackluster to say the least.

[dry spear]

was watching some "Sense" runs

[ionic fern]

So having score as DPS does not mean you have the ability to tank.
Ofc you CAN be a good tank and a good DPS player as well but when people look you up on R.io and only see runs of you as a DPS then that's all the information they can go by..

I might as well join a key as a 2nd tank then and do more than i would as my DPS offspec. 😂

[dry spear]

😄

can i look your character up? you got any vids on youtube from runs?

[ionic fern]

I don't have a YT/Twitch.

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

From Prot PoV we have Nomeratur and Sense (both SF and can be found on the right here) with Twitch.

[sweet summit]

Mwahi stream when

[ionic fern]

Never.
I'm too bad.

[sweet summit]

😔

[jagged pier]

mwahi even i stream and your better than me XD

[ionic fern]

Why do you think i have "THEORY" in my role.

😂

[sweet summit]

😂

[dark lark]

How do I find my % of attacks blocked on warcraft logs

[ionic fern]

Damage taken->Melee->Hits.

[dark lark]

Hm, not such great support for mobile eh

[ionic fern]

Nope. 😦

You gotta hover over the "Hits".

[dark lark]

What should I be aiming for on Denathrius? I feel like I was doing well on keeping block up except for going through mirrors in p2 because the fucker hits my back

[agile sandal]

Sorry if this has already been asked, I suck at searching discord channels history: what is the best weakaura for a newbie prot warrior? I wanna be able to monitor my ignore pain and shield block status with just my peripheral vision (mostly looking at enemy nameplates in heat of combat).

[dry cairn]

there"s a weakaura specifically for IP

[agile sandal]

TY. Author name? @dry cairn what about Shield Block?

[dry spear]

i was VERY lazy and just took the weak auras from luxthos

[sweet summit]

There are some in #268491842637660160 and/or #ui-addons-manager

[ionic fern]

https://wago.io/HbZE-4TID
This is what i use. Good old Sense.

[dark lark]

Check #268491842637660160 for block weak auras

[jagged pier]

I have TMW for them cause im an old fart that likes my old addons

[dry cairn]

Marok has a good one @agile sandal

[ionic fern]

Hey, we don't know that.

[strong forum]

Yeah I watched him once. It was gruesome...

So. Much. Blood...

[jagged pier]

i mean your the one with the knowledge im just pleb that pressing revenge

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

Oh mate, my Revenge spam in dungeons is real.

[dry spear]

does anybody know what triggers the "biting" sound in sense's videos?

[agile sandal]

Thanks for the answers! @ionic fern @sweet summit

[ionic fern]

😂

[dry cairn]

isn't Revenge just useful to dump extra range (if it isn't free i mean) ?

[ionic fern]

It's your main AoE damaging ability.

[jagged pier]

that looks like mine 😆

[dry spear]

and make shield slam procc

[ionic fern]

So you in theory CAN spam Revenge and do a ton of damage. You just have to be careful to keep enough Rage for atleast Shield Block.

[sweet summit]

Sir where is execute sir

[ionic fern]

Oh, somewhere down below.

It was only a +12 so we pulled everything onto bosses.

😂

[sweet summit]

Hmmm ok 👀

[ionic fern]

There it is.

[sweet summit]

Hymnal is so busted man

[ionic fern]

164 ilvl btw.

😂

[sweet summit]

Yeah

[broken stratus]

I don’t know if tank are actually balanced...I time a 15 on my new vdh still using heart of Azeroth and 158ilvl weapon, avg ilvl 178. I highly doubt my warrior could

[ionic fern]

Did you...kite?

[dry cairn]

that's impressive

[undone jacinth]

link to the run?

[broken stratus]

Feel like less kiting on my vdh

[ionic fern]

o.o

[undone jacinth]

what’s your characters name

[ionic fern]

You sure you're playing your Warrior correctly then?

[sweet summit]

Less kiting as vdh 🤔

[broken stratus]

It feel less kiting because I am super scared of the bleed when I tank on my warrior. It’s hoa

[ionic fern]

I'm starting to really enjoy DoS...just because of the Ardenweald area..do the whole room in like 3 pulls. 😂

[undone jacinth]

dude

[ionic fern]

Every tank kites the bleed.

[broken stratus]

My dh name is mjollnir hyjal, not sure run is updated

[undone jacinth]

192 ilvl

with 215 215 223 dps

in the run

[ionic fern]

I was asked to tank a +12 yesterday on my 179 paladin. 👀

[sand obsidian]

the ardenwald area is why i hate DoS lol but never done as a tank yet, new to tank. Never seen the whole room pulled yet either though

[strong forum]

Well theres the reason to timing 15s, tanks don't matter if your dps just blow everything up

[jagged pier]

thats the eaisest bit

[strong forum]

Tanks in general matter very little

[broken stratus]

Feel sad

[strong forum]

If they don't play like absolute spergs

All you need to do is live/kite

And do the route

That's it

Rest is up to dps and healer

[smoky wave]

I'm glad the routes are easier ti's expansion, though not hit prideful levels yet. Bfa was a sod knowing all the routes

[ionic fern]

These are the 2 pulls. And 3rd one is tinier.

[undone jacinth]

some prideful routes are awkward but most are ok

[strong forum]

Top

[broken stratus]

I wish all dungeon are mob like ardenwood in dos. Prot feel like a god in that section

[undone jacinth]

I have a pretty good top route for pride on 3 bosses

[ionic fern]

Jeah, ToP is a really easy dungeon to get good prides on.

[strong forum]

Top is just awkward because you bait 1 wing and then go into the other

And if you want pride for last boss you have to skip the first packs

Very awkward

[undone jacinth]

my route just invis skips the beginning of chop wing and you get pride on all 3

it’s quite easy

[strong forum]

It's easy but awkward

[undone jacinth]

the new invis pots are pretty safe

[strong forum]

Invis belt

OP

Legit op

2min CD

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

Fucking broken

[undone jacinth]

I need to change to engi but I have no gold so need flask duration xd

[ionic fern]

I'm not gonna lie..i have 0 professions.

[undone jacinth]

pick up alch for the duration

[strong forum]

Engi is God tier

[jagged pier]

u just need to learn engi to use it

[ionic fern]

Well, i have Inscription lvl 1 for when i was opening doors in BfA.

[strong forum]

Combat res, stealth, auction House in oribos

Repair bot, mailbox

Tmog box

[undone jacinth]

yeah engi is master race

[strong forum]

Gliders

[ionic fern]

I just buy repair bots.

😂

[strong forum]

For free

[ionic fern]

Eeeh.

I'm too lazy

To level.

[broken stratus]

Dolphin does your route do the first pack of mob in ToP at the beginning?

[plucky galleon]

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[strong forum]

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