but you can pull of AM there aswell if your guild is good || enough ||
#protection
strong forum
chilly brook
Ye I'm dog boi and since it's currently prog I wanna make it as easy on the healers as possible
strong forum
Oof dog boi as pwar
chilly brook
Wdym its ez
lusty marsh
Why aren't you swapping every overwhelm?
chilly brook
SR is great for dog boi tbh
strong forum
chilly brook
SR+full IP is pretty much good enough to make the spawn super ez to heal
strong forum
Or just have a vdh with fiery soul
chilly brook
Well
strong forum
:^)
chilly brook
It was me or our prot pally
strong forum
-40% > SR + IP
lusty marsh
Full IP? Who wants to spend 80 rage on soul rip
chilly brook
Full IP? Who wants to spend 80 rage on soul rip
He doesn't do much outside of it tbh
lusty marsh
I too am dog boy with pally ot
undone jacinth
I wonder if people go on Prot pala discord all the time asking about how unplayable it is
chilly brook
I'd rather not play defensively 100% but since it is what it is and we were a healer down that's what I did
lusty marsh
That's understandable
strong forum
I hate that our solution to huntsman was literally 5 heal instead of 4 heal...
lusty marsh
But as soon as shades/rip come out, I'm back on the boss pumping out revenge.
chilly brook
My healers also are really cool about letting me play offensively too so I like to pay it back
strong forum
Did pulls with 4 heal and couldn't get past p2, and as 5heal we literally killed it in sub 5 pulls
I was so fucking mad
undone jacinth
what was killing u
chilly brook
It really is a heal fight tho
lusty marsh
We did 9 man heals sunking last night, my god that was so much faster than 4 healing
mossy sluice
souls aka watch me do a lap around this room someone please heal it
strong forum
Fucking pepega
I think it's too much to ask, having to run away from every soul
Tbh
That's why I was so mad
undone jacinth
shouldn't have to
strong forum
We met the same dps check, with 5 heals compared to 4
And I'm like?????
How can we do the same damage with 1 dps less
I hate people man
undone jacinth
a few of our dps could definitely explain that
lusty marsh
Could be static boss helping there
Some dps can't move and press buttons at the same time
lusty marsh
Oh
chilly brook
Some dps can't move and press buttons at the same time
Bruh when we first did denathrius
I wanted to lose my shit so bad
"Well cant you just aim the boss at us"
chilly brook
"Well cant you just move one step in front"
lusty marsh
Just fucking, stand behind your tank
chilly brook
Its not like p1 is a dps check
lusty marsh
I don't move
chilly brook
Same
strong forum
P1 is a hard dps stop
chilly brook
Yep
mossy sluice
am i crazy or did they change how denathrius acts on pull
he used to walk in a bit then teleport
now he insta teleports
chilly brook
Hes a spastic
jagged pier
he walks on normal
lusty marsh
He tele's to the opposite side of you
jagged pier
maybe its something to do with monk taunt
strong forum
Taunt always makes him teleport, even if you're just 1 Pixel out of melee range
strong forum
Yeah hitbox issues are massive in SL
modern brook
bro imagine having the power of instant teleportation and u use it to move 1p
mossy sluice
weird flex but ok
lusty marsh
I'd do it to grab the remote.
deft bridge
He tele's to the opposite side of you
i never get used to that
the sound effect is too strong
lusty marsh
I always start the fight with my back to him and taunt so he is front of me.
Idk if that helps the damage or not.
undone jacinth
huh
strong forum
He moves the furthest possible way away from you from his original spot or smth
So you can game it
That he actually pops up infront of you
Always do that in start of p2
Make him Port infront of me, between the 2 melee adds
lusty marsh
Between?
chilly brook
I need this technique in my life
strong forum
Cuz melee adds just get cleaved anyway
lusty marsh
That's probably the way to go
undone jacinth
yeah ranged is better
strong forum
It's a relatively tight spot though
He has to stand inside the melee mob
To hit the ranged mob aswell
undone jacinth
as long as ur hitting 2
heady gyro
question about Bolster. I I press SB after I hit Last stand it add on the total duration?
it does right?
sweet summit
adds full duration yeah
heady gyro
noice
heady gyro
adds full duration yeah
thank you
chilly brook
question about Bolster. I I press SB after I hit Last stand it add on the total ...
You should do that as well
If you press bolster and have 2 charges of shield block you would want to add onto it with 1 charge so you can get more casts of block in
vestal moat
If we are tanking the whle duration we should SB once, correc,t, to put it on CD. But not both charges assuming you have 2 full charges.
chilly brook
Situation dependent
vagrant cape
I'm so torn between guardian, vdh, and prot warrior. I'm leveling a prot warrior through shadowlands right now. I hate how squishy vdh feels and bear just isn't fully gelling with me. I played prot in bfa before the buffs and loved it.
I was wondering, how does prot feel to play? Is that thunderclapping fast-paced feel from bfa still present?
vagrant cape
Even with the thunderclap leggo and booming voice and all that? Not even with avatar up?
undone jacinth
naw
chilly brook
You dont spec into UF so no
vagrant cape
Is the thunderclap CD during avatar talent used often? According to icyveins it was viable
I'm bad at the names
chilly brook
No lol
mossy sluice
unstoppable force
chilly brook
That would be UF
vagrant cape
That's the one
chilly brook
undone jacinth
you dont use it any more
jagged pier
its not and i dont think its recommending in the icy veins guide
undone jacinth
for anything
jagged pier
wowhead it is though
vagrant cape
It had a question mark on icyveins iirc
jagged pier
that doesnt mean its viable
chilly brook
vagrant cape
Yeah, I'm primarily focused on m+
vagrant cape
Ravager looks amazing so that makes sense
valid zodiac
Can warlock be used to skip the pack before bridge in Necrotic Wake
chilly brook
Yes
mossy sluice
yeah
chilly brook
With gateway
vagrant cape
I'm curious about rumbling earth. Are there any dungeons where it might be better than SB?
chilly brook
No
uneven mason
no
jagged pier
no
uneven mason
2 stuns > 1 stun on a shorter CD
vagrant cape
I see.
jagged pier
2 stuns are always better than 1
uneven mason
1 stun with a 30 yard range
30
yard
range
(this is important in case you didn't notice, we're warriors)
vagrant cape
But what if both dog trainer start casting loyal beasts at the same time? Oh, I guess intimidating shout.
mossy sluice
weapon throw with a cd
chilly brook
Stormbolt comes in handy a lot in situations that shockwave would be useless
undone jacinth
you also just dont really wanna be using shockwave most of the time
whereas stormbolt owns
mossy sluice
the rogue
undone jacinth
the add
vagrant cape
Oh
chilly brook
You can be on one side of the room, healer gets hit with rogue you stormbolt
vagrant cape
I see
uneven mason
he can be CC'd too iirc
vagrant cape
Also must be really nice for dreamweaver
uneven mason
literally have the healer stand on a hunter trap
chilly brook
Just a good example of why stormbolt is the play
uneven mason
yup
vagrant cape
I'm convinced
chilly brook
Gives you opportunities to "outplay" that you wouldn't have otherwise
uneven mason
big play
vagrant cape
So why bounding stride over crackling thunder? Wouldn't the latter help with aoe threat grabbing?
uneven mason
Mobility
mossy sluice
u gotta fuckin run in 2021
undone jacinth
i take crackling
uneven mason
Also
chilly brook
And if theres a priority add to stun, it's better to use stormbolt than to start DR on everything
jagged pier
u dont need the extra range
uneven mason
some dungeons you literally don't want to have a bigger radius
because you'll grab extra shit
chilly brook
The extra range is kinda useless tbh
vagrant cape
Yeah, and crackling slows enemies more. Seems like a win win
uneven mason
leap > crackling
mossy sluice
10% slow is so miniscule
undone jacinth
its useful on some openers
chilly brook
Mobility is way more valuable tbh
uneven mason
Bounding will get you out of range of casts in 1 shot
livid gyro
90% of the time you run as fast as the mobs you'd be slowing
vagrant cape
Fair. I guess everyone has a hunter for tar trap these days anyway
livid gyro
Just literally jump away and you'll always outrun them
uneven mason
if you just leap and have to jog, you're going to eat a bolt in the ass
chilly brook
There aren't any packs that I cant hit every mob with my tclap in the first place
jagged pier
^^
undone jacinth
its just for ease of use when you're gathering
vagrant cape
Alright, I'm convinced. When would one take AM over bolster in m+?
undone jacinth
and for cheeky claps when ur kiting
chilly brook
Alright, I'm convinced. When would one take AM over bolster in m+?
Lower keys where I can just pump
uneven mason
TC is big enough with out it to hit all the mobs in a pack hehe
undone jacinth
and im not talking about 1 pack
and there are also cases where its not true but thats beside the point
it can also be nice if ur trying to kite and range them
vagrant cape
Ah, so bolster is the go-to for pushing keys. Neat. Thanks, y'all! I assume I should craft the wall first
undone jacinth
like sanguine or something
uneven mason
I Mean, if the mobs are out of TC range...charge (because TC Macx range is literally charge min range)
undone jacinth
you dont wanna charge to every pack ur gathering
uneven mason
SW doesn't require you to get into DS range to use the DR
undone jacinth
or to the farhtest mob etc
uneven mason
These fringes you're fraying do not change the fact that Bounding is >
chilly brook
If I'm gathering multiple packs I'm heroic throwing them to me anyways
vagrant cape
Neat o, thanks y'all. The icyveins guide feels a bit outdated.
It mentions that prot warriors are on par with the highest dps in aoe. Is that accurate?
jolly thistle
One clap won’t be enough Aggro anyways
chilly brook
And just pick up aggro when they reach me
undone jacinth
bounding gives you nothing if you dont need it is the point
so its just whatever u need for the situation
uneven mason
Sadly Byron no, thats a leftover from BFA
undone jacinth
both give different qol
vagrant cape
Thought so :P
open monolith
bounding stride lets me press warrior's objectively most satisfying button more often
uneven mason
and saying we're on par with the highest DPS in AE
open monolith
so that's a yes from me, dawg
open monolith
against certain bosses, yes
uneven mason
chilly brook
Kek
vagrant cape
Man, I should have kept playing bfa after warriors got buffed. I loved it before IP was off the gcd. I woulda had a field day.
vestal moat
I just looked at logs for high keys (14-17). Warriors are taking crackling about 80% to 20% bounding stride. Not saying it's right or wrong, but there's the data.
strong forum
I'll stick to my bounding
vestal moat
There's 15s for example.
strong forum
Thanks.
strong forum
Exactly
chilly brook
It's a largely not that impactful row to success
strong forum
Neither has a great impact
lofty widget
I prefer crackling, makes it easier to hit All mobs if theyre spread out a bit
undone jacinth
neither is necessary so you just go for whatever gives you the most situational use
strong forum
In any case
vagrant cape
I've only ever done a +9 as my highest key so far on guardian and I didn't really have to kite. How far can prot go without needing to kite, roughly?
chilly brook
But the use case for crackling is even less relevant than the use case for bounding
strong forum
Didn't kite in my 17 unless people died
undone jacinth
no its not lol
vagrant cape
Fort or tyrranical? @strong forum
strong forum
Fort
It all depends on mobs, mechanics
CDs and everything
But you don't have to kite alot
jolly thistle
Mists?
chilly brook
I prefer crackling, makes it easier to hit All mobs if theyre spread out a bit
Mobs dont typically spread though
vagrant cape
Neat, good to know. Yeah, CDs are everything
chilly brook
strong forum
Yes mists, you don't need to kite there ever
In other dungeons you need to obv kite more
Cuz of stupid mechanics
Hoa for example
undone jacinth
unless you need to kite and stay literally out of range
crackling is better
because it lets you hit more of them
while ur short range kiting
chilly brook
<:Condemn:742631092279967785>
Condemn cleave for prot when?
jolly thistle
Mists is the new FH. Literally all dmg is physical after the first 2 packs
chilly brook
Yes mists, you don't need to kite there ever
Well first pack or two but outside of that no kiting ever
strong forum
It's already huge
undone jacinth
whatever the base is, more is better when ur kiting or gathering
strong forum
Gathering what
amber herald
any Menace chads?
lusty marsh
Mists so smooth
strong forum
Everything else is covered by heroic leap
chilly brook
^
strong forum
Crackling has fake value
Imo
I will never play it
It's so bad not getting the movementspeed after leap
chilly brook
Literally bounding is just the best pick on the row
strong forum
Ever since cata
chilly brook
Crackling is largely worthless because Tclap has a big enough range to begin with
undone jacinth
well almost every player doing a top key will disagree with you and the only option that gives you more potential damage is crackling
chilly brook
And if your argument is but muh kiting and staying just out of melee range, you can already do that with non crackling Tclap
undone jacinth
both are perfectly fine but u will get more situational value out of crackling more often
and you will hit less mobs with that out of range tc
than you will with crackling
its very simple
chilly brook
There is no "potential damage" when you're not in danger of not hitting your targets anyways
And especially not with square root scaling that Tclap has
undone jacinth
if you're kiting you will not hit every mob with ur tc out of range
vague jetty
What is your io rank griff
undone jacinth
lol
lofty widget
I agree that crackling has a lot more situational usage than bounding, i have yet to be in a situation where normal leap didn't cut it
chilly brook
It's not that normal leap doesnt cut it
It's that more mobility is better than a range increase that won't do anything because you're already going to be in range
undone jacinth
it has to be
astral crystal
Crackling was better in bfa because you barely kited + there were many annoying caster/ranged adds
So the larger radius was more important
strong forum
You can heroic leap every intermission on 3rd boss and get all mobs 👍 with the movementspeed buff.
I just love the movementspeed buff and lower CD to gather multiple groups/peace out more often
lofty widget
Imo the movement speed doesnt do anything either, so there is that
heavy sail
What’s the topic? Bounding for kiting?
strong forum
The topic is what actually influences anything
undone jacinth
You can heroic leap every intermission on 3rd boss and get all mobs 👍 with the ...
yeah there's also a million other ways to do it, but this is the point - if you find some situational use for it, go for it
chilly brook
Imo the movement speed doesnt do anything either, so there is that
It does when time matters and there are situations in dungeons that dont let you mount
vestal moat
Bounding versus crackling
astral crystal
Bounding is good if you need the mobility, don’t feel you need it, don’t take it
Simple as
chilly brook
Literally like Nom said, the range increase on crackling is false value
astral crystal
Yeha i feel the same nom
lofty widget
Im used to it from bfa so i Will keep playing crackling
strong forum
I only played cracking in bfa with cns in dungeons where I could stop mechanics
smoky wave
Bounding is just more fun than an unnoticeable range increase
astral crystal
CT isn’t going to make or break your key honestly
lusty marsh
That's why I take double time instead of bolt
lofty widget
And speed isnt needed anyway
chilly brook
Have you actually had a situation where crackling actually was noticeable
Because I haven't
solemn magnet
I'm using crackling but I'ma give bounding a shot. There are tons of times I wish I could leap when still on cd
undone jacinth
Have you actually had a situation where crackling actually was noticeable
sanguine
heavy sail
I never feel that thunders base range is too low.
So to me the only relevant bit is the move speed change
undone jacinth
you can notice it in basically every key last week
lofty widget
Dos for the whole middle part
undone jacinth
yeah and they don't follow you all stood on top of each other
lusty marsh
Only slower
chilly brook
They kinda do
strong forum
Yall making it out as if mobs were literally omega spread 
undone jacinth
and none of them ever cast a spell
astral crystal
Yeah mobs are so tight this expac
undone jacinth
its not about it being all the time
heavy sail
They usually aren’t in practice and most of the casters can be kicked
lusty marsh
shivers in throw flesh
chilly brook
solemn magnet
All the mobs in sanguine basically standing right next to each other
astral crystal
And the number of mobs per pack is limited even when you giga pull
chilly brook
If they cast a spell you need a ranged interrupt not a range increase on your damage spell
undone jacinth
most of the time it makes no difference at all, but on occasion you will get at least some small amount of benefit from it
lofty widget
Its for the cases where they Are not tho, which there Are plenty of examples of
chilly brook
But refer to clip to see them move on top of each other
undone jacinth
however small that is, its still more than the 0 you get from bounding most of the time
modern brook
bounding makes you more heroic
mossy sluice
true
chilly brook
Oh and also refer to clip to see that you dont even need crackling thunder to gather up mobs
Or hit them all
vague jetty
Tbh the difference in either is so small that this is entirely a preference conversation rather than a mathematically fact argument. Y’all should agree to disagree
heavy sail
15 second CDR is nice, the move speed is pretty irrelevant in all honesty. Maybe it helps kiting just a bit.
undone jacinth
ah yes that settles it then
mossy sluice
you could also save potential time, a non zero out of combat with the sprint
undone jacinth
all packs behave the same lol
lofty widget
True ryan
mossy sluice
which is equivalent to damage in m+
chilly brook
you could also save potential time, a non zero out of combat with the sprint
Hence why bounding stride is far more relevant
jolly thistle
It’s nice in DOS when you have to run back after the bosses
chilly brook
Because cracklings niche is so incredibly small
mossy sluice
DOS is def the outlier when i think of time saves w/ bounding
chilly brook
Whereas bounding has uses outside of just kiting
mossy sluice
i think theyre both super small and choice is prob personal and use what you like
signal plover
The move speed on bounding is great when you're planning pick up with it in mind
signal plover
Crackling is so forgettable atm idk
vague jetty
You literally could take no talent and wouldn’t notice the difference in the dungeon, there, argument over
modern brook
where we had chad intercept
signal plover
TC smol peepee dmg
modern brook
and tclap CLAPPED
but in SL where tc is smol peepee dmg
and we have virgin intervene
modern brook
added mobility is godly
amber herald
bounding chads go wheeee
signal plover
Was the range nerf to crackling bfa or legion
strong forum
You literally could take no talent and wouldn’t notice the difference in the dun...
This
chilly brook
Literally more mobility is always better than a small aoe radius increase that will have no impact 99% of the time
signal plover
Cuz before that it was pretty rowdy
strong forum
I only notice a difference cuz I'm used to playing bounding for like 4 xpacs straight
And insta hurt my back when I don't get the movementspeed
👴
signal plover
Also your back is smol and therefore more vulnerable because vulpera
heavy sail
I think you’d notice not having the tiniest bit of mobility from bounding.
shrewd geode
Hey does anyone have like the best conduits for Prot Venthyr on hand? And the best person to soul bind too?
vague jetty
You wouldn’t
heavy sail
Ultimately doesn’t play in whether or not you finish the content though
It’s pretty irrelevant
strong forum
Yes
strong forum
Very irrelevant
quiet gulch
Did my first key today as a prot and it was spicy.
shrewd geode
alright thx
vague jetty
You would only notice it if you are being thick headed and trying to make an argument to your cause
modern brook
have fun with show for force 🤣
vague jetty
If you went in not thinking about it specifically relating to this conversation, you would not notice a difference in either run
undone jacinth
tru
heavy sail
A difference insofar as what though? Like the timing of the key? Your rotation?
undone jacinth
also this torghast ability that dmgs when you crit is insane
heavy sail
Because the mobility difference is noticeable if you’re used to using it.
modern brook
If crackling thunder was so good how come we have leaper as a legendary??
quiet gulch
Ahha leaper is the jam for rbgs
vague jetty
The run itself, you wouldn’t feel any different, the timer would be the same, the run would be the same
heavy sail
Then I agree 100%
vague jetty
You literally wouldn’t notice a difference in the dungeon
undone jacinth
leaper was bis before the threat hotfix
jolly thistle
I tried menace last week for some sanguini action and it wasn’t too bad either 
strong forum
The hotfix that barely did anything
vague jetty
Everybody arguing should agree this is a preference decision and not going to impact your play. Rather than argue that their opinion is right when it has no mathematical basis
undone jacinth
I feel like it actually made a massive difference
my bear can actually hold aggro
once in a while
strong forum
Well on bear
sick sentinel
is this real
sick sentinel
i gotta craft leaper?
strong forum
No
undone jacinth
oh no man
strong forum
It's a joke
undone jacinth
no leaper
strong forum
DW
sick sentinel
oh ok
undone jacinth
dont think warr ever really had threat issues though
strong forum
vague jetty
I have a real question
vague jetty
If you wear the mortal strike blade storm lego, and take the anima power where avatar gives you bladestorm, do you still mortal stroke?
signal plover
Everybody arguing should agree this is a preference decision and not going to im...
How dare you suggest reasonable discourse to a bunch of fuckin warriors
vague jetty
Strike*
heavy sail
Threat issues existed but they were extremely marginal, and I only mean they existed in the sense that other tanks didn’t have the same kind of struggles.
heady gyro
Can we talk about sludgefist for a second. Does it matter what tank has agro ? Will it affect my rage Regen if the other tank has agro? goes SB work on Giant fist?
vague jetty
You want the warrior off tanking I believe right?
heavy sail
But threat even at its worst in SL prebuff was a non-issue
undone jacinth
Can we talk about sludgefist for a second. Does it matter what tank has agro ? W...
nope
sweet summit
You want the warrior off tanking I believe right?
ideally not
undone jacinth
doesnt make any difference, both take same dmg
signal plover
Rage gain from incoming dam is nice
sweet summit
since warr doesnt get rage from damage taken if youre not maintanking
vague jetty
I mean, darkee was off tanking the entirety of prog wasn’t he?
heady gyro
does shield block work on Giant fist?
heavy sail
Warrior main tanking sludge is ideal but it depends on your tank partner.
sweet summit
yes
signal plover
Nah they swapped on and off I think
heavy sail
Like BrM gets more value from main tanking it I believe
signal plover
Like with monk they get value outta being meleed
heavy sail
Due to how their mastery works
vague jetty
Can you dodge the giant fist?
undone jacinth
yeah the other tanks have bigger issues
monk like you say and I think druid earthwarden doesnt work as offtank
signal plover
If you wear the mortal strike blade storm lego, and take the anima power where a...
Good question tbh but idk if MS would cast since you don't "know" the spell as prot...
signal plover
Kek
lofty widget
So who should MT on sludge if you have pwarr and BrM
strong forum
doesnt matter
signal plover
Swap halfway through and high five
strong forum
both take the same damage
vague jetty
I thought it was if the main tank took damage
strong forum
no
lofty widget
Well for the rage gen or monk master thing
heavy sail
It’s split
vague jetty
Was it not that way at least before?
undone jacinth
I think it does matter for monk mastery
signal plover
Not split, duplicated through "stone fist" ability, which doesn't count as a melee attack
heavy sail
Right
undone jacinth
monk needs MT to get elusive brawler trho
lofty widget
So if pwarr were to off tank SB wouldnt help?
signal plover
you still get rage from being hit...
U sure?
strong forum
both get hit for the same amount pre-mitigation
sweet summit
undone jacinth
So if pwarr were to off tank SB wouldnt help?
it does help
chilly brook
I've off tanked sludge pretty consistently in heroic and it hasn't been an issue
The rage would be nice
heavy sail
So you don’t get rage but it is blockable?
signal plover
It's blockable ya
chilly brook
But it's not gonna break you
heavy sail
That would make warrior pretty ideal to OT it
heavy sail
Fo sho
lofty widget
What Are warriors not the Best at amirite??
modern brook
getting into pugs
chilly brook
Big fax
lofty widget
Too real..
spring sierra
hey guys
silver trout
too damn true
spring sierra
i am a dps warrior doing tanking in order to get invited for m+ instances. I am reading up on prot warrior in order to maximize my tanking ability.
I have looked at the stats, here and on wowhead, however i wanted to ask, if there is a pawn string for stat weights i can use in order to be able to mitigate damage better
fallow mortar
You won't get into ques as prot warrior, just an fyi
modern brook
i am a dps warrior doing tanking in order to get invited for m+ instances. I am ...
i got bad news
sick sentinel
highly doubtful this will ever be used, but i'm going to collect it maybe give it 1 run in dungeon see
undone jacinth
I have looked at the stats, here and on wowhead, however i wanted to ask, if the...
nope
fallow mortar
Prob have the same if not better as an arms warrior. Public perception of pwar is pretty bad atm
modern brook
I have looked at the stats, here and on wowhead, however i wanted to ask, if the...
to answer your actual question here: Ilvl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haste > verse
spring sierra
i tank +11s so far, but i struggle to get higher keys
chilly brook
I have looked at the stats, here and on wowhead, however i wanted to ask, if the...
Delete that trash addon
modern brook
also ^
spark mortar
^
undone jacinth
its the worst
modern brook
If you want whenever you get a drop you can dm it to me and I'll send you back a random %
it'll probably be as accurate
chilly brook
You have to sim every time you upgrade to have an accurate pawn string. Which makes it irrelevant.
And it's only DPS not survival
spring sierra
so having haste > versa > all makes my dmg gear rather useless for tanking... or.. well... sub optimal
vestal moat
I've pugged my way to 1300 but doubt I can get much higher, nor do I particularly want to. Everyone wants a DH at the high keys.
fallow mortar
What ever gear you have should work for tanking as well
modern brook
Haste > verse is a fine priority for prot
spark mortar
Higher keys are murdering tanks right now if you try to do it traditionally via face-tanking. Kite, kite, and kite some more if you want to live. That's yet another reason why DH is desirable.
modern brook
but if you get a 207 mast/crit to replace a 204 haste verse you take it
every time
cause more stats
modern brook
Higher keys are murdering tanks right now if you try to do it traditionally via ...
i thought ahead and mad ea 235 leaper so
sick sentinel
I have looked at the stats, here and on wowhead, however i wanted to ask, if the...
this might be something you are interested in, it's called convert ratings. and it takes the 151 haste on ur ring and displays X.Y%
modern brook
plz take me to your 20s 🙂
heavy sail
Socket > Item Level > Haste > Versatility > Critical Strike = Mastery > Strength
sick sentinel
i have no idea why it is glitched like that but
heavy sail
General gear priority for Prot
signal plover
Wtf is socket doing in the lead there
heavy sail
Assuming gear is equal take the one with the socket over other secondaries
That’s why it’s there
uneven mason
Anyone know if the waltz pattern on Heroic Council of Blood is always the same?
modern brook
Assuming gear is equal take the one with the socket over other secondaries
that'd be ilvl>socket
heavy sail
assuming gear is equal
uneven mason
Stavros's empowered ability
heavy sail
I.E. of equal item level
silver trout
you're assuming gear drops at all
undone jacinth
putting socket before ilvl
modern brook
thats not how > works.
shy zodiac
lol assuming equal gear means there's no priority because it's equal gear
modern brook
well thats not what hes saying either
undone jacinth
why are u talking about sims
chilly brook
Depends
uneven mason
wtf Sims
vague jetty
You can’t generally say that anyways
uneven mason
for prot
chilly brook
And irs not all about the sim
modern brook
I think crit sims higher than haste too cause the sim is dps centric
uneven mason
next thing you know this boy will link noxxic
modern brook
and crit fucks on dps
vague jetty
Saying socket>I level means a socket is worth more than 25 ilevel
uneven mason
Crit and mastery and pumping stats for DPS
vague jetty
Which is not true
undone jacinth
ur talking about sims but you put mastery and strength at the bottom lmfao
uneven mason
reverse of our defensive
undone jacinth
if you wanna combine the two then you can just say ilvl > haste > whatever
heavy sail
The main point is ilvl > haste but I’m fairly certain socketed gear is just going to be better than a small primary stat bump
chilly brook
Just get all your gear from the vault at 226 with a socket ez
heavy sail
Dope
undone jacinth
if u take a socket over ilvl you are a muppet
solemn magnet
Your socket is 16 haste. How much str is better than 16 haste? Prolly not a lot
chilly brook
I mean ilvl is more than just primary stat
spring sierra
what trinkets should i aim for, for tanking?
chilly brook
Higher stat budget
spring sierra
any good ones?
chilly brook
More armor
undone jacinth
what trinkets should i aim for, for tanking?
scale and then whatever you want
lofty widget
Scale from dos is good
heavy sail
Pretty sure the stat budget only outweighs a socket at like +10 ilvl @chilly brook
I mean correct me if I’m wrong
undone jacinth
uh try and replace that
chilly brook
Hard to give you an accurate assessment
But that 10ilvl number is from last xpac
When primary stat and ilvl upgrades weren't nearly as big
lofty widget
I quite like viscera from gorechop, does a decent amount of heal and dps
undone jacinth
ends up being pretty average I think
chilly brook
Ilvl actually makes a big difference
heavy sail
It does, but between say a 210w/socket and a 216 piece of gear it’s hard to say what the better piece actually is without a direct comparison
chilly brook
216 in almost every way
undone jacinth
216
heavy sail
My understanding was that in that circumstance the socketed gear is usually better
undone jacinth
unless its a ring
chilly brook
Your understanding is wrong
undone jacinth
you're talking like BFA tbh
chilly brook
Especially if it's an armor piece
lofty widget
Probably yes
undone jacinth
alright on legs 10 ilvl gets you 6 secondary, 8 main stat, 19 stam and 5 armour
solemn magnet
Vs 16 haste from the socket. Ain't no way its worth keeping the lower
chilly brook
It's even changed from that
The 5 armor would end up being 11 armor
100% strength gains go to armor
heavy sail
Hmm
chilly brook
Cuz good old Vanguard
undone jacinth
yea thats why i just listed str
spring sierra
well, this is the best i can do for gear right now
heavy sail
Looks good to me
chilly brook
well, this is the best i can do for gear right now
Your stats will be much less impactful than anything else
And fuck
I'm jealous of your haste
Holy shit
lofty widget
Nice haste man
mystic ridge
bruh
heavy sail
Probably playing fury before I would assume
spring sierra
yes
sweet surge
Any good Raging affix Weakaurasa?
undone jacinth
just have ur nameplates show the buff?
sweet surge
Using default plates ;[
undone jacinth
u wot
spring sierra
i thoughroly dislike the gluttonous spike, maybe i should use a different dos trinket
sweet surge
a real chad
spring sierra
oh, the haste got the 6% buff from into the fray, someone stood next to me in oribus
astral crystal
yeah gluttonous sucks
lofty widget
What trinkets do you have?
sweet surge
Whats the CD onyour SBlock w/ that much haste?
spring sierra
sweet surge
4% versa jesus monkaS
chilly brook
spring sierra
13 sec
undone jacinth
which pvp trink is that
lofty widget
Im playing quantum device for my keys and I really enjoy it
spring sierra
brooch and ferocity
brooch because i am human and get out of most things with racial
undone jacinth
idk what those pvp words mean
spring sierra
the other is on use primary stat
sweet surge
zoomers mucking up things
haste equip and main stat proc is insignia
haste equip and main stat on use is badge
undone jacinth
what is insignia cd
sweet surge
chilly brook
Wtf so much vers
spring sierra
2 minutes i guess
spring sierra
i have never even seen a scale drop
chilly brook
Neither have I
sweet surge
my dream is for a 226 one off the vault
chilly brook
Just get 2 out of the vault
chilly brook
see that one would just piss me off
I got it the first reset that you could get stuff
chilly brook
Honestly I'm fine with 220
sweet surge
yeah 220 is damn nice
chilly brook
Like a 184 scale is basically better than most trinkets much higher
undone jacinth
currency that lets us upgrade dungeon loot to 226 please blizz ty
chilly brook
So I doubt the difference between a 220 and a 226 is gonna be that impactful
heavy sail
I wish @undone jacinth
heavy sail
M+ currency would be dope
chilly brook
I coulda took a 226 scale
astral crystal
it *scales* very well with item level
stop
chilly brook
But then I wouldn't have this
undone jacinth
hmmm
honest echo
Sorry to interrupt the convo guys but I need some advice....
chilly brook
it *scales* very well with item level
Never change Rosjen
glass mural
honest echo
What do you feel is the best legendary for raids?
chilly brook
The Wall
spark mortar
The Wall
chilly brook
Hands down
honest echo
Thank you.... Others are telling me Thunderlord
chilly brook
Just like the pins say
spark mortar
They don't know what they are talking about then.
chilly brook
undone jacinth
who are the others
spark mortar
Shoutout to @ionic fern for that fantastic cheat sheet.
honest echo
nice... the cheatsheet shoes so much
spark mortar
That being said if you are absolutely getting trucked in M+ - lots of folks say the Wall works better for them.
open monolith
REEEEE
spark mortar
REEEEE
Sock speaks for all of us Prots unjustly labeled as sub-optimal next to the jumpy sigil bois.
echo wigeon
bois where do u get ur mdt routes from
undone jacinth
my little bran
spark mortar
The Weekly Route is good, also check Keystone Guru
undone jacinth
can use dratnos or that other guy as good starting points
but generally spending 2min figuring out ur own thing is gonna be ideal
valid zodiac
Man this week in M+ when you get bad dps in your group...
warm thunder
Hey
undone jacinth
that other guy being quazii
warm thunder
Is there specific soft caps for war prot?
undone jacinth
not really
you can probably reach DR on mastery and perhaps haste with max gear
so personally wouldnt go in to DR with mastery but would a bit with haste
chilly brook
Is there specific soft caps for war prot?
No
And even if you hit diminishing returns on haste you would still stack it
Especially in the 30-40% bracket
warm thunder
I prio haste on every pieces tbh
spark mortar
Are folks favoring Vers on rings for M+? Personally I prio haste like Wolf.
mossy sluice
wait you guys get loot?
spark mortar
Only by accident.
I get about 90% of all my shit from the almighty Great Vault - may it be praised.
turbid cargo
damn near everything I'm wearing is either great vault or pvp lol
warm thunder
I feel like paper when tanking in raid with my war prot
Especially on artificier idk why
spark mortar
Heroic or M?
turbid cargo
well that's why
spark mortar
Yeah Artificer hits surpsingly hard when you're undergeared.
turbid cargo
^
spark mortar
I tanked my Norms in 190s with The Wall.
warm thunder
I've the wall actually
Apparently I dropped the worst tank trinket
The rope thing
spark mortar
Hardest hit I ever got from him was the mega-bomb but that can be CD'd around.
warm thunder
I don't have a better one tho
spark mortar
Are you using Bolster?
spark mortar
Try Bolster - it'll help you with the extra Shield Block uptime and rage then can go into IP
warm thunder
But what ability on artificier one shot me?
spark mortar
No idea, check the combat log? lol
sick sentinel
is raid or pvp what holds my haste/versa gear
warm thunder
Forgot to check tbh
sick sentinel
i want to do nthing but farm for only haste versa
warm thunder
Is 185 ilvl too low for NM CN?
turbid cargo
But what ability on artificier one shot me?
the only thing that comes to mind is maybe tanking two glyph explosions in a row? it leaves a debuff on you that increases arcane damage taken
tardy parcel
Is 185 ilvl too low for NM CN?
I tanked the entire raid ending at like 182 ilvl lol so yes. Were you getting tagged by lasers with the arcane debuff?
warm thunder
@turbid cargo Oh yea probably that
spark mortar
the only thing that comes to mind is maybe tanking two glyph explosions in a row...
I agree - unless he is just getting straight up trucked due to lack of Active Mitigation.
turbid cargo
aye
or have the glyph debuff and get hit with an unmitigated melee + ground lines at the same time
that'd hurt
warm thunder
Like I got target by dat glyph bomb 2 times in a row
spark mortar
Getting ready to do Heroic Dance Dance Ravendrethlution this Monday. How does it hit?
tardy parcel
assuming you're referring to heroic council - i don't find it terrible as a tank. as long as you're still rotating taunt swaps you'll be fine if you've been doing the encounters before it
spark mortar
Cool. I still don't have the good Natrhia absorb trinkets but my DPS partners make sure to link them whenever they can.
tardy parcel
Like I got target by dat glyph bomb 2 times in a row
You and your co-tank can swap the casts of that each time - should give you time to get some defensives off cooldown
spark mortar
Asses
spark mortar
What's the hardest boss to tank as war?
Sludge will wreck you if you aren't prepared properly. Hands down/
turbid cargo
yep
devout pike
lady inerva in first phase is tough on tanks, sludge
turbid cargo
or if your other tank won't stand close enough to you
spark mortar
True true, Inerva is rough if that first bottle gets to Level 2
warm thunder
Atm I only did 4/10
turbid cargo
sludge whacking you with both melee+giant fists is mean
spark mortar
Sire D doesn't even hit that hard.
turbid cargo
or gargoyles last phase of council if you do nicklaus last
(and your dps suck at burning them)
spark mortar
Sun King gargoyle too if you get too many stacks of bleed
devout pike
i mean
warm thunder
I found War Prot to be very punishing if I miss a CD or a Block time
devout pike
there is cristalyze for that
spark mortar
tbh prot warriors is the best tank for sludge
I watch my poor Monk friend get shredded on most fights
warm thunder
Got me a lot
devout pike
I watch my poor Monk friend get shredded on most fights
f
tardy parcel
there is cristalyze for that
You're thinking of stone legion - he's talking about the big boi on Sun King
tardy parcel
We're moving into SLG and Sire heroic this evening. Am I correct in saying that we should still be able to breeze through SLG if we were able to knock down Sludgefist? I realize they're a different story on Mythic
devout pike
in mythic the third bear of altimore hurts as shit if he goes over 3 stacks
mossy sluice
slg heroic pretty free @tardy parcel
undone jacinth
you need to learn the mechanics of SLG
devout pike
SLG is kinda free in heroic if u set up markers for abilities
undone jacinth
but once you understand how to avoid wicked blades you are pretty fine
devout pike
but sire is hard
mossy sluice
watchin dps get knocked off in p2 🙂
devout pike
nobody can die before p3
tardy parcel
yeah I'm not expecting us to down him tonight, but the experience will be good
devout pike
and if u think sludge hurts, b rdy for sire p3
warm thunder
Are you using Palegos of Kleia?
tardy parcel
Are you using Palegos of Kleia?
pepegos with double endurance + potency
warm thunder
Alright
devout pike
and if u check the pinnnes msgs here u will see that u can reflect blood price, helps healers a lot
if u cast it last second
mossy sluice
i was only able to reflect like 1-3 ticks of it
warm thunder
When is Kleia worth it?
devout pike
blood price isnt a dot
its an instant dmg cast
when he grabs ppl up then throw u down p1
mossy sluice
yeah but the damage instances happen
tardy parcel
Appreciate the tips @devout pike . I was aware of the spell reflect trick already, I think for me a lot of it's just going to be a mindset thing to not get tilted on the prog tonight lol
undone jacinth
people got no respect for the finesse slot
tardy parcel
Finesse is coo but I like my Unnerving + Stalwart + Piercing
undone jacinth
they're all pretty trash imo
warm thunder
I don't have the 3rd conduit yet anyway
undone jacinth
the finesse conduit is the best one and comes with the phat phial heal
mossy sluice
i like the rc finesse
warm thunder
@undone jacinth What's on finesse?
undone jacinth
thats a finesse bruh
devout pike
yeah exactly
undone jacinth
yeah thats the best conduit
I use that with the +35% healing with phial
think its good tbh
but it doesnt make too much difference
mossy sluice
about the blood price thing
it wont full reflect it, just as many instances as the server decides to let you reflect
sweet summit
yeah its fucked
tardy parcel
cute
as long as they continue to let me reflect Reaping Scythe in TOP i'll be a happy man
feels so good
devout pike
about the blood price thing
yeah im seeing the same thing in my logs, weird, it literally said reflected and i didnt receive initial dmg, weird af
chilly brook
it wont full reflect it, just as many instances as the server decides to let you...
Yep sometimes the damage is poop, sometimes it's like 40k by the time you leave p1
Either way you should reflect there
Because it's less stress for the healers when they're gonna need to focus on other people
chilly brook
Yea
The first pulls I started I was getting like 20k reflected damage to the boss
But it's so highly variable
Same with wracking pain
Sometimes it reflects damage
Sometimes it doesnt
chilly brook
It did last week
It showed up in my details
It's just temperamental for some reason
Idk why
chilly brook
How do you find the reflect damage in wcl
vestal moat
We dont get credit in our logs for our dps though righjt.
mossy sluice
replace blood price w/ reflected ability
yeah it wont credit it to the reflector in wcl
main frigate
!stats
sweet summit
chilly brook
replace blood price w/ reflected ability
Hmmm it's not showing up in the logs
But details showed it at least once
mossy sluice
yeah i know it was reflectable at one point, but the kill last night it did nothing
chilly brook
Not like the damage would be all that amazing even if you could
But hey in 11 pulls with it just being me it ended up being 156k for blood price reflects
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They always gotta ruin our fun
mossy sluice
big true
chilly brook
Spell reflect just feels so badass to press when it works
Removing it from largely inconsequential things is dumb
I.e innerva
Same to a lesser extent with wracking pain
Since it never kept you from getting the debuff
mossy sluice
spell reflect is definitely a top tier ability when it comes to fun
chilly brook
It just did some damage
open monolith
I also noticed last night that wracking pain wasn't reflectable anymore
or at least, the damage was still applied
I feel like the debuff didn't land
uneven mason
I.e innerva
Are you kidding watching all the melee DPS scatter and lose their minds when I do that
DPSing as arms on that last week - SR landed the debuff on her was big lol as everyone else tookoff cause they thought kaboom
chilly brook
Are you kidding watching all the melee DPS scatter and lose their minds when I d...
Wat