So like most people have been saying it's around the 1 min'ish mark with The wall + AM. ( was also using devastator, and burning as much rage as possible on revenge, I threw a few IP's in there if my rage ever spiked up quick due to spears/demo shouts)
#protection
fringe marten
chilly brook
~1m CD give or take
fringe marten
I was running ITTF, instead of ravager.
so it wasn't my 'true' m+ setup, I had a little more haste
chilly brook
Obviously there are variables
fringe marten
right, 31% haste to be specific with ITTF (I didn't even really look at my talents..I had just come back from WQ's and wanted to test that trinket)
with 2 stack of ITF btw. not full 5.
But yeah..whole lotta' potential for a handful of seconds shift either way depending on lucky shield slam resets/etc. But the 1 min'ish guideline for AM+ Wall...is pretty accurate, if you are planted and smashing non stop.
fringe marten
That misfiring Centurion Controller...ain't bad at all btw.
chilly brook
Definitely prefer The Wall
fringe marten
that was the main reason I went to test on the dummy
I still feel the biggest gut punch to warrior was that they put bolster/am on the same row. I know AM isn't quite the power house it used to be with the synergy it had with azerite/unstoppable force..
But still, there wouldn't really be a debate as to which lego was better if we could have AM and bolster.
You'd just have the wall glued to your body perma...and I'm pretty sure at some point we'll be allowed to use multiple legendaries.
Shield wall on 1 min CD, as long as you're constantly fighting.. is purty stronk.
Griff do have you not made the wall yet?
put my normal M+ talent loadout, going to do 5 mins on the dummy again..see the uptimes on stuff.
chilly brook
Griff do have you not made the wall yet?
I have Wall rank 4
TL rank 1
Wall is definitely the move for my preference
ocean bloom
If we have unhinged equipped and get the torgasth signet power can we mortal strike with proc bladestorm????
chilly brook
If we have unhinged equipped and get the torgasth signet power can we mortal str...
Honestly zero clue
Gut feeling would be no
fringe marten
Ah, yeah I have wall 4, TL 2, may be doing TL 3 this week...haven't done Torghast for ash yet. will have enough after first run.
popping everything on cd, even last stand..etc, 65% uptime shield block, same 15% uptime on shield wall..right at about 5 casts, last one comes up at the end... Combat meditation 29.9% (mastery buff from spear) Synaptic Feedback 29% (143 mainstat proc from trink)
was clunky as fuck to hit the timer on my phone then hands back on keypad/mouse and charge in LOL
avatar 26% uptime.
15% uptime from last stand specifically (it also rolls into block)
So 50%~ uptime on normal block, plus the 15% uptime from last stand block...so that's where the 65% comes in.
The majority reduction in cooldown on wall, comes from the legendary right?
it shaves off like 90 seconds of the 4 mins by itself, and AM does the other 30'ish?
I wonder what SimC thinks of that trinket...
smoky wave
was clunky as fuck to hit the timer on my phone then hands back on keypad/mouse ...
There's a timer built into wow if that's easier? /timer iirc
fringe marten
yeah, I knew there was..I forgot the command and already had my phone in my hand with the stopwatch going LOL
I don't really care to get down to the exact second/etc the results are just a "hmm I wonder how good this thing is.."
Oh and of course I'm using stalwart guardian @200 so it's 28 secs off wall timer.
(and had the show of force conduit on at that moment...instead of the rage on Last stand one)
fringe marten
ah, just doing the math on shield slams during that fight with inerva?
But it takes AM/Wall/Stalwart Guardian 200~+ to get Shield wall down to about a minute with non stop combat.
Yeah that's what I thought... as long as simc sees the uptime on the Misfiring controller properly I knew it would rate fairly well. It's only a 45 dps loss from my 220 Stone legion+207 Phial of Putrefaction to use the Misfiring centurion controller, and Putrefaction. So at Even ilevels it would be quite a bit better (for raw damage) than the Stone generals trink. (my misfiring controller dropped at 181 from the quest so it's almost 40 ilevels difference)
How many ilevels can you get from the quest reward 'titanforge' if it triggers?
Side note..anyone done a lot of the 'trials of ascension' for Kyrian? where you battle as the soul binds? Is that worth it at all?
jagged pier
havent even unlocked it yet
but there are 2 transmog sets behind it
so will do at somepoint
got to get to 1800 first thats this weeks task
fringe marten
ehhhh...I can't blame you. But man I hate pvp, but sure would be nice to get a 220 weapon out of it. I'll just wait for either our mythic kill token (which will never drop for me when we kill it anyway..) or a 223 or 226 from my vault.
jagged pier
yer i hate it as well
but i still got a 213 shield
and i have like 2 other pieces both pvp
if i get thoughs up
the only item ill have under 220 is neck and 1 ring
fringe marten
I got a 220 shield on week 1? from vault, or week 2?
jagged pier
Ive had 2 sheilds from the vault
week one was a 213 one so usless as i was gunna get the pvp shield
and last week
fringe marten
I'm similar boat..except? neck, 1 ring...weapon? I think that's it.
jagged pier
where it gave me the heroci bead
smoky wave
Side note..anyone done a lot of the 'trials of ascension' for Kyrian? where you...
Doing it half arsed. It's either super fun or super frustrating. Waiting to get my renown this week before trying again. Only r1 though. I really want the bronze spiky round shield transmog that drops from the chest.
fringe marten
oh DAMN...my chest is only 213 too.
jagged pier
my chars pretty stacked after last night got rid of my 200 trinket for the stone legion trinket
and then i could get 226 belt from vault
fringe marten
Iosef is that the ..same one from other content in Shadowlands? the sorta' little round shield with the 4 pointed bits coming out of it? or is it a totally different mog?
I know it's mostly for cosmetics, but they're recolors of the kyrian armor suit which looks blarrgggg~~ on a dwarf. (the helm/shoulders look jank AF)
Had some folks give me some pieces from our final normal run last week (to get final sludge head from normal and heroic) so I was able to get the belt and gloves from normal nathria, which is the red set...looks pretty stout.
so put a mog together around that.
They said they'd be adding the legendary armor blanks as a mog set in the xpac 'soon' anyone know what content that's coming with?
fringe marten
That's what I thought right?
Twisting corridors was supposed to have mog in it
That's exactly what I thought it would be from. ..jank
the legendary plate set looks INSANELY good, too bad I'm not a DK but I don't care~
fringe marten
I don't care how edge lordy people think it is...it's still cool.
Right but what I really want, honestly more than anything else..
is the belt.
Belt mogs are so important to making a suit look good for a dwarf; and that lego plate belt looks amazing.
But I agree jakey..it'll be Black rock foundry mythic set 2.0. The new "warrior basic bitch" suit.
and 100% Basic Bitch DK suit.
jagged pier
well if its hard to get then ill be okay with it
but if its piss easy which it probably will be
then meh
fringe marten
That aside; it STILL looks damn good.
jagged pier
i prefer ToS mythic tbh
fringe marten
I have that...it's one of my preset mogs.
that is an excellent set on a dwarf.
no helm~ firebeard out all day on that. This nathria mog is the first time I've put on a helm in a while; since the 'neck guard' piece of the nathria chest clips all up into my beard..no bueno.
That reminds me I need to go get uhh? next to last bosses Belt on mythic; that was a nice lookin' belt.
NM I'm thinking antorus.
and from Aggramar.
The antorus mythic suit was stronk.
jagged pier
still need my boots
fringe marten
I have them, they look absolutely atrocious on a dwarf. Dwarf boot model is enlarged and not spaced much from the mid section..so 'big' thick boots look dumpy and stupid.
and those antorus boots were huge AF
Legion mythic raids are an easy solo now yes?
fringe marten
Bruh...You're a warrior. Mog is SRS BZNZ
Gotta' look like a badass..to be a badass.
None of this 'pepega I look like a dirt farmer' pvp mog crap
fringe marten
OH the stupid..
the ghost phase
where you have to hunt down the shade or whatever
undone jacinth
asmon solod kJ xd
fringe marten
Did he just run around blind in the fog to find it?
undone jacinth
yeah but it’s the knock back you gotta watch for
fringe marten
True, but once you find the thing...it's GG
Seems Notpepe has made me curious, after I finish this story quest I was going to do Torghast, but now I'm gonna' go see how tough mythic Antorus is.
unique tangle
You Will love defense of eonar
fringe marten
oh jesus I forgot about that fight..
fringe marten
Crystals?
In that same fight or something else? I did it current content but obviously that's years ago now.
I used to not care about mog at all, only cared about stats..but since you can mog with no loss in gear quality? At some point you gotta' do something that's just fun or enjoyable...can't always be grinding keys or doing pvp etc.. I about quit this already because we were raiding WAY too much at the start of the tier because the raid lead/s were hype to basically wake up, grind keys all day...raid all evening...go to sleep. Covid got these people crazy~ They need to go back to work LOL.
unique tangle
young glen
I couldn't time a +15 Mists on Tyrannical last night due to not having enough dps 😦
as in my group dps
First boss took ages
charred island
How much verse should you have before tanking in M+? I’ve seen Prot Warriors melt
jagged pier
0
ionic fern
If they melt it's because of bad play.
jagged pier
you dont need vers to tank you need to play correctly
even then though we saw some guy yesterday who got to sludgefist hc without pressing SB
charred island
Hmmm
strong forum
You can't even get any relevant amount of vers, it was a meme of season 4 bfa
tacit smelt
Well you can get 20+% from pvp gear
fringe marten
Oh my GOD lol..Just finished campaign and tested bron on testing dummy; he is abysmal garbage.
jagged pier
Well you can get 20+% from pvp gear
u need like 60% or somthing to make it good
sweet summit
🤔
fringe marten
Like..I was expecting it to be not "oh my god so powerful everyone has to use Mikanikos now.." But it's so bad it's laughable.
tacit smelt
Well that extra 10% damage reduction goes far for me
fringe marten
(if you rock kyrian anyway)
obtuse marsh
Any tips to gear fast an alt without friend who can help ?
sweet summit
Do campaign
jagged pier
pvp
ebon hound
^ Campaign and farm anima to upgrade the gear to 197
fringe marten
Without any M+ carrying for gear, or M0 stacking etc... It's worldquests, pvp (you don't have to do much pvp to get some pretty decent gear pretty quick) and then story campaign and queue for mythic 0 dungeons.
You have access to the full campaign now, with this week...which means you can grind through it to get a full suit of solid gear, and it ends with a weapon or offhand (your choice) at raid finder level. Which is a 187 weapon or shield.
jolly thistle
Pvp sucks if you get steamrolled by 210+ people tho
obtuse marsh
Im gonna do the campaign, and whats the cost for upgrade stuff
jagged pier
anima
sweet summit
Anime 
fringe marten
OOOOooo next week we get Finesse/Endurance conduit for Plegaos
Pretty sure I'll be leaning into that finesse conduit for Disturb the peace.
With a fresh 60, choose your covenant..and grind the campaign to the end now; how long you think it takes?
undone jacinth
you don’t do the campaign if you choose your cov
oh nvm I misread
we’re not at the end of the campaigns are we?
undone jacinth
what happens at the end
sweet summit
U get mount and 3rd soulbind
jagged pier
you get the option to buy a mount from the vendor
sweet summit
I got a mount for free
fallow mortar
you get a few unfortunate souls who think that switching to Venthyr for Draven is a good idea
ionic fern
What
sweet summit
Huh?
fallow mortar
Some prot warriors have been switching to Venthyr for Draven and his 10% DR
jagged pier
but when do you stand still?
fallow mortar
never
deft vessel
aww wait external emojis
damn it discord why you broken and giving me previews, thought it got added to the server
sweet summit
Service in stone is just 10% dr below 40% hp
deft vessel
using execute on a prot warrior is just so meh
fallow mortar
right, and some think it is worth switching to Venthyr for. shrug I don't see why
sweet summit
Its fine i was already venthyr
deft vessel
I liked the look of spear from early, like, thematically, went with spear, haven't looked back since
not a big fan of the armor tho, venthyr stuff looks cool
I mean, all the stuff looks cool
the only one I just...don't really like is the plate set on night fae
but anyway, back to prot talk - what overall damage should I be getting for a random +12, roughly ofc (210 overall, 207 weapon)
jagged pier
high 2ks maybe low 3k
deft vessel
ah but the tree plate set looks mega weird on a tauren
deft vessel
high 2ks maybe low 3k
I tend to hover around that or higher, depending on group, sounds about right, regularly i'm about 25% ish lower than DPS, but with bad DPS I even outdamage them lul
real jungle
any of you guys that have tanked as venth and kyrian notice any significant differences?
strong forum
I didn't tank as venthyr, but I imagine you generate less aggro in m+ 
bright owl
How about any differences between kyrian and night fae?
unkempt ruin
Is the goal to increase block uptime and fill with ignore pain or visa versa?
jagged pier
block is our main mitigation, so you fill the gaps with LS(if you run bolster) and SW. and obviously downtime when not tanking. IP is just a nice little extra mitigation its not enough to fill the gap and is nice against magic damage, but when tank 90% of the time you want to be having block up if you can
outer solstice
@deft vessel the tree plate set looks amazing on a gnome, I'm a little potted plant 😛
outer solstice
Is the goal to increase block uptime and fill with ignore pain or visa versa?
use SB as efficent as possible, with the eccess rage you have to balance between IP and revenge/execute mostly
unkempt ruin
What is LS and SW? Ok got you. Does the CDR of block reduce with haste or anything like that?
unkempt ruin
So with good gear.. 20% haste or round about... can u get close to 100% block uptime?
fleet pier
doable\
outer solstice
nomeratur calls my gear illegal...
with itf raidbuffed I'm at around 46% haste
before heroism
BUT
on many bosses you have downtime where he isn't hitting YOU
either because you're not tanking atm
or because they are casting and such
be aware of these cases
check wowanalyzer with your logs, it shows you really bad shield block uses
unkempt ruin
you need like 160%
You need 160% block uptime? 😫
outer solstice
basically, we haev no haste cap
desert skiff
Anyone else also having trouble against Bonesoldiers in DOS?
They seem to reck me everytime
sonic mesa
The big ones?
fringe marten
Aye; but don't forget that when you're going mongo for parses you're blocking when you aren't tanking for dem shield Slaps deeps.
sweet summit
Anyone else also having trouble against Bonesoldiers in DOS?
Yep, dont facetank them for too long. They have an instant cast unblockable magic damage nuke
desert skiff
yeah it's their Bonestrike ability
sweet summit
Ye
deft vessel
I've hovered around, i dunno, 20 some % haste unbuffed, been alright
and i still gem/enchant haste everywhere xD
smoky wave
Think I'm at 12% 😫
First proper raid since wrath tonight (only normal). Has much changed? Basically execute your mechanics and hope the dps don't die? Anything worth knowing going in?
sick sentinel
First proper raid since wrath tonight (only normal). Has much changed? Basically...
everything you need to know here.
undone jacinth
find out what thing could kills you or the raid and avoid that thing
smoky wave
Been reading through that, was just wondering if you folks had anything else. Worst case it'll still be more fun than SD
signal plover
Keep the blockable/reflectable ability sheet open on a second screen. Not a huge deal in normal but can help you get in the habit of using SR
smoky wave
Keep the blockable/reflectable ability sheet open on a second screen. Not a huge...
Second screen 😫. Guess I'll have the phone to hand! Ta. I'd have forgotten about that and just be winging it.
signal plover
I'd say not using SR enough in raid is like a top 5 error most pwarrs make
smoky wave
I'm overly Liberal with it normally and often find I'm going "shit, should have saved that for this one" so should be safe. Not expecting it to be hard from my point of view I don't think
I'm just hoping we get to the dance
cinder sparrow
Hey guys, pondering to come back to prot for the first time since legion
is thunderlord a must for M+ or can one go around with the wall t here too?
sweet summit
Can use either really
Tlord is more damage and burst rage
The wall is more consistent rage and more sw ofc
cinder sparrow
think Ill stick to the wall then, cheers
and as far as trinkets go what are the best options? Considering Ill be doing M+ mainly
orchid frigate
oof tried thorgast as arms to get some variation
cant just charge into packs anymore
ebon hound
Sure can, just need perma DBTS. Also kinda want to be Venthyr if going in as Arms
orchid frigate
DBTS?
ebon hound
spinny parry swords
cinder sparrow
also boss damage on arms is nuts there
lusty marsh
Always a little sad when I hit by bracket and my 99's turn into 97's
lusty marsh
I'm also big dumb.
I know at that point it can just come down to getting the right trinkets from your vault.
Anyone know how much harder sludge hits on H vs normal
placid oar
Hi guys, for Artificer. Is there any advice for the bad overlap the glyph and suck-in mechanic?
signal plover
Anyone know how much harder sludge hits on H vs normal
Harder but it's not really stressful until enrage. I've been running AM on every rekill
signal plover
Hi guys, for Artificer. Is there any advice for the bad overlap the glyph and su...
Having a warlock gate for the tanks can be a lifesaver if you have one to spare
jagged pier
Anyone know how much harder sludge hits on H vs normal
for progress its gunna hurt, but once your used to it, its a very ez fight like Paw i run AM now
signal plover
Gate out glyph, leap out of suck
rain ember
Heroic he hits a lot harder
signal plover
Basically if you struggle to live on sludge heroic, just run bolster and it shouldn't be an issue.
jagged pier
^^
placid oar
Having a warlock gate for the tanks can be a lifesaver if you have one to spare
Ah I see, I had a bad overlap where I leaped out to drop the glyph then annihilate happened
Will save leap next time
placid oar
bounding stride will give you the movement speed you need
Okay thank u
signal plover
@placid oar yeah that happens on the 2nd or 3rd annihilate most of the time. If there's no gate just intervene a ranged that's far away and waddle away.
signal plover
Np!
lusty marsh
Nah I have 200 shield, hoping my boy xy drops me that anima bead tonight. We wiped four times at sub 5% due to simple but big mistakes.
Like my OT not seeing he had a glyph or me leaping out of the second suck with a glyph into a group of 4 and gibbing them.
Also, I couldn't be happier with the necrotic bolt nerf.
wispy coral
Any chance prot in pvp is a thing or do we need to go dps in arenas?
jagged pier
u need to be arms if u want to go anywhere
outer solstice
arms is pretty strong in PvP,...
wispy coral
aight
lusty marsh
Jakey, when did you stop running heroic.
wispy coral
I'm assuming pvp is the best way to gear up a fresh prot war alt too huh?
lusty marsh
Nice, I can wave to some of your parses from mine :p
jagged pier
campiagn probably
i mean we will still run it on a friday
but that optional
and as i dont need to gear my monk
as im the only AP buff
ill just take my warrior
lusty marsh
PvP is good but probably bg's over arena for gearing. And it won't be fast, just more predictable than M+
signal plover
We used skip this week and realized since we're only at 4/10M, it leaves us with 8/10 for the vault
Luckily we alt meme on the weekend but meh
lusty marsh
I guess that makes sense, that's another 220 option right?
jagged pier
213
jagged pier
well tru
lusty marsh
We did 4normal and are on 5/10H, hoping to get to 9/10H tonight.
signal plover
Also we keep scuffing sire p3 so I guess that'll be my only non-citrus parse forever
lusty marsh
Possibly want to try and pug M shriekwing if I can
signal plover
M shriek is simultaneously extremely easy but also insanely hard for pugs cuz u need like 15 ppl with thumbs
jagged pier
last week we killed all of hc and the first 3 on mythic on our first raid night only managed hc this wednesday cause much dps mongos 
signal plover
Our skip run was actually giga scuff
lusty marsh
How long do you raid for?
signal plover
We killed sludge with like 3 ppl alive
lusty marsh
I'm 3 hours 2 nights
jagged pier
We killed sludge with like 3 ppl alive
dat scuff
signal plover
We're 2 night 3 hours but have optional heroic nights for a couple more weeks
jagged pier
for some reason ppl couldnt do wicked blades this week
deft bridge
last week we killed all of hc and the first 3 on mythic on our first raid night ...
my guild does 4 nights 3 hours and we still 6/10 hc
lusty marsh
Reminds me of our first H jaina kill where we won by the virtue of a lock pet.
deft bridge
i want to cry
signal plover
Wicked blade bugs and mongo actually wiped us like 5 times on SLG
jagged pier
my guild does 4 nights 3 hours and we still 6/10 hc
well i mean there are 2 night guilds that are much better than us
signal plover
Chacha that just sounds like a prep issue
jagged pier
whatever fits your guild i guess
lusty marsh
Or a personnel issue.
signal plover
I can't imagine having more than 3 raid nights atm with how lucrative gear in PvP, and to a lesser extent, m+ is
jagged pier
i think part of the scuff we had though is the message went out last week, lots of u are playing not great classes if u want to reroll to somthing more useful feel free
lusty marsh
We are extremely lenient with our dps so our progress makes sense, but 4 nights is pretty hardcore for a casual style like that.
jagged pier
so lots of scuff chars
jolly thistle
I can’t imagine raiding more than one day / week anymore... I’m getting old I guess
fierce tendon
Tbh i feel like 4 days 3 hours is more detrimental to a casual group than good
need to take that time to run other content and git gud
deft bridge
yeah it's just
outer solstice
we're doing 2 days 3 hours each and it's fine
deft bridge
we can't put bosses on farm if we dont
we still wipe like 5 times to normal dena every week
fierce tendon
jagged pier
empty spindle
What’s the best covenant for prot warrior
fierce tendon
whats the avg ilvl of your group??
deft bridge
200
jagged pier
kyrian
outer solstice
around 212
empty spindle
I’m currently venthyr is it worth changing ?
empty spindle
I wanted to go night fae for prot
deft bridge
venthyr prot sounds fun for raid ngl
empty spindle
Raiding and mythic +
empty spindle
venthyr prot sounds fun for raid ngl
You don’t gen enough rage to even use it
strong forum
lusty marsh
Except for sunking
strong forum
There's a nice picture
strong forum
3 nights is literally cheating
sweet summit
I wish we had 3
strong forum
jagged pier
not when our dps care more about parsing than mechanics
lusty marsh
I wished my dps cared more about parsing.
outer solstice
the main thing it lacks is the phial for tanks if you play NF @empty spindle
deft bridge
I wished my dps cared more about parsing.
smae
empty spindle
Ah true
lusty marsh
I love my phial
lusty marsh
Spear is good
strong forum
What about dps that can't do mechanics but also don't parse?
outer solstice
then kyrian is even better
deft bridge
spear of bastion is broken for pvp
strong forum
That's like the god comp
empty spindle
Ancient aftershock looks so nice though
strong forum
Kyrian is bis in pvp
empty spindle
This is so hard
signal plover
It's not
fierce tendon
I like spearing paladins and watching them try to freedom and horsey out
outer solstice
I love NF
empty spindle
😂
signal plover
Just play Kyrian lol
empty spindle
I feel like I’m going to go night fae
lusty marsh
You don't have to it just helps, also you want to chain stun on a kill attempt
empty spindle
But everyone is screaming Kyrian
jolly thistle
What combos are you playing?
empty spindle
Holy pally
fierce tendon
Was running arms frost in 2s and their bounce talent with kyrian spear literally 1 shots ppl
lusty marsh
I've been playing with a ret but I'm also not the best at PvP only 1380
I was so close to 207 shield
empty spindle
Hmm
lusty marsh
Either is useful, NF is just hard to keep enemies inside.
lusty marsh
PvP wise
strong forum
That being said, Phial isn't as OP as initially thought
jolly thistle
I’m probably too retarded to get 2k1 but even some 220 items would be nice
deft bridge
yeah
outer solstice
like generals/huntsman
lusty marsh
Like HoA
strong forum
Its a good to have
deft bridge
like when your whole raid is losing hp and the healers dont focus you
lusty marsh
And necrotic
outer solstice
well NF can kite easier with necrotic
empty spindle
But as warrior you have mobility
lusty marsh
True
empty spindle
Compared to other classes
strong forum
I've literally had a situation where I needed to pop kyrian, health pot and healthstone to stay alive
Cuz healer spergd
jagged pier
TRU
empty spindle
I think I’ll go night fae but I’ll give it some thought
outer solstice
same same, but HS + pot was enough for me
strong forum
I had 9 stacks of orb debuff on 3rd boss spires
outer solstice
oof
strong forum
And healer decided to not pop bark
But after the dot ran out
And he also ate 6 orbs cuz he stood too close to me
deft bridge
i mean idk why didn't you pop shield bloxxx more often xDDDD should've kited
~non-tanks
jagged pier
And he also ate 6 orbs cuz he stood too close to me
did he take some stomps as well? cause ive had that
jolly thistle
stomps are 100% predictable
strong forum
Not really
lusty marsh
Also the true reason to go kyrian
strong forum
The timer is there, but you won't know what he does cuz spellq
jolly thistle
Just stand max melee range. No stomp
lusty marsh
the path of ascension is more fun than the other 3 minigames combined
deft bridge
the path of ascension is more fun than the other 3 minigames combined
ironically bastion gets 1v1 fights while maldraxxus gets flesh puppets
strong forum
Idk he never stomped more than 2 times total
Even when hugging his big toe
And with like 50sec between each stomp
Such a weird fucking boss
Nothing about this boss is consistent except that he takes more dmg in orb absorb phase
jolly thistle
it has a internal CD afaik but you can 100% time it when you have reflect ready
lusty marsh
And that your healer will never external you before you start grabbing orbs
strong forum
Orbs need to be nerfed BTW
If you don't have immunities, it's GG on higher keys
Or you need to do a strat where everybody takes 2 at most
And then your healer needs to omega pump
echo wigeon
bois whats the best ally race for tanks
jolly thistle
All dungeons need tuning if you compare them to mists
solemn magnet
bois whats the best ally race for tanks
Highmountain.
echo wigeon
wtf is a highmountain
lusty marsh
Mooman
mossy sluice
a mountain but stoned
solemn magnet
Moose
lusty marsh
Meesus
fierce tendon
Do u mean allied race or alliance race lol
warped dock
for M+ only how big difference is between the 2 legendaries?
echo wigeon
alliance man...
mossy sluice
the wall is sick even in m+ tbh, but hard to get shield slams in when youre weapon throwing from 30 yards away
jolly thistle
dwarf or nelf
echo wigeon
are allied races easier to unlock now?
lusty marsh
Race choice is super minimal when it comes to tanking imo.
warped dock
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Zrmaker any tips on what ii need to change? i really take so much dmg idk why
echo wigeon
tht kul tiran stun seems useful
lusty marsh
Kultiran passive is nice, same with darkroom active
But I'm a dirty dog who has been having very little issues. (Even if I complain a lot about them)
mossy sluice
you got a diff endurance conduit @warped dock ?
echo wigeon
i dont have kul tiran unlocked
jagged pier
i take so much dmg i think the wall might be better
if your taking so much damage it might not just be your talent choice
echo wigeon
is it worth to grind it out
lusty marsh
Give us an example of where you are taking tons of damage.
warped dock
prev week i was getting oneshot by random packs
jagged pier
pelgos is a better soulbind
than kelia as well
have you got logs?
cant really say unless you have logs tbh
lusty marsh
Do you have a non unhinged leggo
warped dock
this week i can craft my leggo and im thinking whats the best defensive option for m+
uneven mason
"Getting 1 shot by random packs"
- Doubt it was a true one shot.
- What packs?
- What were you doing to mitigate damage BEFORE you took it (Warriors are 100% preemptive with their tanking kit)
warped dock
im thinkin the wall since i die so easy. and go anger managment. dont have a better trinket though. opnly pvp ones
orchid frigate
ok the other wing withouth the fire debuff was actually really ez as arms
jagged pier
im thinkin the wall since i die so easy. and go anger managment. dont have a bet...
the haste main stat proc one is better than that trinket
and anger management means youll take more damage
uneven mason
The darkmoon tanking trinket is 
lusty marsh
I personally built the wall and never looked back
jagged pier
your probablly playing a little incorrectly from what your saying
like a leggo wont save u
deft bridge
Bolster
isnt the uptime when you have am + the wall worth it? i think i can proc it on almost every pull
jagged pier
it will help a little bit
uneven mason
isnt the uptime when you have am + the wall worth it? i think i can proc it on a...
15seconds of rage free shield block
jagged pier
isnt the uptime when you have am + the wall worth it? i think i can proc it on a...
its a min cd with conduit and stuff, but without its 1:30 mins
lusty marsh
Nah, bolster is just too good
amber herald
what's so good about niya soulbind?
lusty marsh
You can still wall like every other pack
jagged pier
not as good as the uptime in
unless its like DoS where its mostly magic damage
and kiting
deft bridge
unless its like DoS where its mostly magic damage
spell reflect intensifies
uneven mason
what's so good about niya soulbind?
300mastery and 12% Max HP on command every 1.25min
jagged pier
*spell reflect intensifies*
literally dont help that much in a high DoS with some add packs not gunna lie
deft bridge
true
deft bridge
but it better than nothing hehe
uneven mason
not even VDH
lusty marsh
I still need to confirm the multi spell reflect on the etherwyrms of spires.
I believe that it works but I need to see it in action.
jolly thistle
the casters aren’t even the problem in those packs
jagged pier
anyway we've gone off topic @warped dock what are you doing in your general play?
deft bridge
No one face tanks it
so just throw ravager in from max distance and heroic throw until everyone dies?
lusty marsh
scribing intensifies
uneven mason
so just throw ravager in from max distance and heroic throw until everyone dies?
have the hunter misdirect to you
etc
but yeah
you can pop SW/LS and face tank it for 8seconds
then leap your butt out
and run out of LOS
warped dock
i trie to shieldblock on cd and ignore pain as much as i can
i never revenge unless it procs
lusty marsh
In a high key you also need an external from your healers.
warped dock
and i just rotate cds
uneven mason
Yeah
deft bridge
i trie to shieldblock on cd and ignore pain as much as i can
a lot would really help with this
jagged pier
do u ever use SW and LS in your rotation?
uneven mason
ok, but like, we're sitll trying to figure out what pack one shot you
lusty marsh
I did a 13 two days ago and melted through wall and shout.
deft bridge
are you using a weakaura to see if you're capping ignore pain?
uneven mason
are you using a weakaura to see if you're capping ignore pain?
doubtful this is really ever an issue even if we talk bout it
jagged pier
also if your using SB when mobs arent hitting you your wasting it
uneven mason
stuff hits so hard that it just isn't going to happen
amber herald
interrupting shadowcore is important there too
lusty marsh
IP buffs when
jagged pier
we dont need legion IP back okay
uneven mason
its off the GCD be happy
warped dock
i try to keep LS as a panic button
uneven mason
even if I wouldn't mind having legion IP
warped dock
SW on big packs . when im expecting dmg
jagged pier
its off the GCD be happy
BIG TRU
deft bridge
true, but it can help keep your rage up for when you need to sb
jagged pier
i try to keep LS as a panic button
well thats one problem right there with bolster is part of your rotation
as it gives block
we dont have panic buttons
mossy sluice
be sure to not shield block with bolster up as well
jagged pier
so only have mitigation tools
uneven mason
be sure to not shield block with bolster up as well
I mean, you can, it extends
lusty marsh
I don't need infinitely stacking legion IP. Just like a 10% buff to shield size. Maybe that's too much idk.
jagged pier
be sure to not shield block with bolster up as well
u can after a certain point
hasty quest
well thats one problem right there with bolster is part of your rotation
On standing packs I’ll use last stand as rotation button
lusty marsh
I just want to get some use out of brutal vitality when I slot it next week
uneven mason
I don't need infinitely stacking legion IP. Just like a 10% buff to shield size....
IP never infinitely stacked, it was I think 300% of your max HP
amber herald
i try to keep LS as a panic button
Bolster on rotation, save rallying cry for yourself (my tactic)
amber herald
with the finesse conduit it's basically 30% same as last stand anyway
jagged pier
last stand gives you block though
deft bridge
Bolster on rotation, save rallying cry for yourself (my tactic)
on raids i use rallying cry for raid wide damage or oopsie woopsies almost on cd
amber herald
unless there's a specific mechanic you're saving it for use it on yourself
it has a 4 minute cd and if you're using it like twice a raid it's wasted potential
uneven mason
big brain use LS + RC to hit \Kyrian pot for 55% of super buffed max health
lusty marsh
I think the only spots I have shout slotted as a raid cool down is denathrius blood price.
uneven mason
kidding
deft bridge
unless there's a specific mechanic you're saving it for use it on yourself
yeah but, if you keep up the raid health then the healers can focus more on you
like when tanks are open on inerva
jagged pier
ill make a suggestion to everyone here, please log what your doing, it really helps you to review what you were doing when you look at them. and they can help other people as well if you ask for help, like theres not much we can do but ask questions etc to why your dying because we cant tell if you log we can look at them and actually see whats going on and tell you the problem
like that was just feelycraft advice really
amber herald
yeah but, if you keep up the raid health then the healers can focus more on you
true, use your better judgement
lusty marsh
I should really start logging my m+ runs shouldn't I
jagged pier
probably recording yourself as well can be useful if you want to watch back what you did
lusty marsh
But then everyone will be able to see that I ate one of those beams in mists on tuesday.
jagged pier
i mean you can private log
uneven mason
set them to priv
smoky wave
Any guides or how to for logging to hand?
mossy sluice
just tell them you were trying to spell reflect it
modern brook
what
lusty marsh
I don't really mind, it was more of a joke. I just didn't think M+ logs would be that useful
smoky wave
just google warcraft logs
Ta
lusty marsh
Though I am embarrassed whenever I get hit by a easily avoidable mechanic in front of my group.
jagged pier
i mean dont be tbh everyone gets hit by stuff
deft bridge
who hasn't destroyed a few pillars in sludgefist
mossy sluice
smh dps cant 1 pillar sludgefist in 2021
grand oracle
I am less embarrassed by a beam that dazed than the yeet off a platform in ToP
jagged pier
ill get round to uploading all our boss kills at somepoint
modern brook
ToP is such an awkward route tbh
jagged pier
loads of mistakes in there
lusty marsh
I get more upset by the fact that I can't heroic leap back into the platform.
No path found my ass
grand oracle
^ agreed
deft bridge
ToP is such an awkward route tbh
every time a dps goes through a wrong door in the center room i die a little
grand oracle
I put world markers down on wing entrances
smoky wave
I get more upset by the fact that I can't heroic leap back into the platform.
They've done so well at making it work more consistently, but fuck that platform.
grand oracle
Because they see those before the lit up rune on the ground in front of stairs
lusty marsh
Fun fact, if a rogue gets locked out of the boss fight because you didn't realize the portals locked when the boss fight starts they can shadowstep up to someone at the edge.
grand oracle
Oh and hello - awesome discord here just joined up yesterday ... Been tanking prot warrior since vanilla. Happy to be here and hope to learn more 🙂
deft bridge
Interrupt Bone Spear, please!
you are assuming they have the interrupt in the bar
rookie mistake
lunar perch
Bahaha
deft bridge
shockwave with conduit go brrrr
lunar perch
Weird question, when should I use Rallying Cry?
mossy sluice
when your buds are in trouble most of the time, or if youre in trouble situationally
any big aoe dam
rage on the big boys in dos for example
lusty marsh
It's better to use it and need it later than to not use it imo
Helps out with healing and either way you'll learn where it's better applied.
modern brook
Or bring a night fae
as if you had a choice
lusty marsh
I know I leave it of CD for far too long when it could save my healer some grief
Trying to work on that and using intimidating shout more.
lunar perch
rage on the big boys in dos for example
Good example, thank you!
orchid frigate
upgrading legendary r1 to r4 would be 3900 soul ash?
lusty marsh
Sounds right
uneven mason
yeah think so
lunar perch
I also don't use SW often, apparently I should use it whenever I have SB downtime/heavy incoming damage?
mossy sluice
think its 5150 total and 1250 for r1
orchid frigate
ok thanks guys
uneven mason
I also don't use SW often, apparently I should use it whenever I have SB downtim...
yes, especially unblockable dmg
just be pre emptive
lunar perch
Thank you
uneven mason
if you know a pack is rough and will dish some hurt just get SW going asap
maximize your # of uses per dung
lusty marsh
After building the wall, using shield wall will become way more natural
jagged pier
I also don't use SW often, apparently I should use it whenever I have SB downtim...
and especially if your running the wall
lusty marsh
Because you have it up so much more it starts becoming part of the rotation rather than a uh oh button
lunar perch
Oh boy
uneven mason
😢
lunar perch
Sounds fun lol
I wanted to run TW but people talked about TL more, then I started levelling the TL base legendary and now everybody builds TW..
uneven mason
8.0 AM high rage spend cycling was a thing of beauty even if it had quite an intense level of focus required to pull off perfectly.
lunar perch
I like the idea of having TW in the rotation though. As much as I love using Demoralising Shout, this sounds a lot of fun :D
lunar perch
I don't plan to tank for a raid, but you never know ;) Thanks for the helpful advice!
restive flax
yo guys, do you know if explosive orbs get destroyed by aoe?
mossy sluice
they shouldn't
mossy sluice
they shoulda insta die to anything and proc'd victory rush in bfa so it was juicy to kill them as a tank
tardy parcel
I have always understood that to be by design - I get the impression that allowing for explosive orbs to be AOEd down would probably trivialize the mechanic entirely
restive flax
Oh I just never played with that mechanic before so I wanted to know upfront
lunar perch
Yeah, pretty sure immunity to AoE is a mechanic
lusty marsh
Not if it's on top of you
lunar perch
Heroic Throw can't be used in melee
restive flax
if its not too close... maybe? 😄
tardy parcel
fair enough
mossy sluice
there was a time period in bfa where survival hunter's aoe was killing them
no one noticed cuz all 2 survival hunters in the world didnt do keys
lunar perch
Bring a frost mage, heard those were pretty good against explosives but I don't remember exactly why
lunar perch
no one noticed cuz all 2 survival hunters in the world didnt do keys
Hah!
tardy parcel
with that said, AAs do also kill explosive lol
blazing condor
oh okay it was actually pretty good though thte dancers would be further apart
open monolith
CURSE YOU DARKVEIN!!!
lusty marsh
Rip sock
restive flax
were you the signet man?
vestal moat
Hey all, I'm considering going Vulpera from Blood Elf for tank survivability in keys. I notice a lot of packs in high keys 15+ kill me right away before i can get enough rage to even put up sb. I thought this might help. Would i notice improvement by this race change or is it overthinking?
mossy sluice
vulpera good but prob overthinking, just first global last stand or wall
restive flax
It adds up but I wouldnt say its that noticable
astral crystal
some packs you do want to have swall up for when you pull depending on size
lusty marsh
Damn
vestal moat
oh it can be tracked in the logs?
open monolith
It makes the beginning of the pull, the part where you are most vulnerable, much more safe
lusty marsh
Why am I alliance again.
vestal moat
that's really good. I mean, I have 62k health. So every mob that hoits me i immediately prevent 3k of that? thats pretty good.
open monolith
I used to think it was a meme, until @Nomeratur showed me logs
It is legit, no meme, very strong
Why can't i @ him
restive flax
but youre also a little fox
vestal moat
uhhh, how long does the allied races quest chain take nowadays
open monolith
@vestal moat You just have to finish the story campaign in voldun
Not long
Hour or two
vestal moat
ok tks. before i change, is there any other race i should consider as better for m+ tanking
Horde
open monolith
I'm terms of useful defensive ability, no
vestal moat
Yes, defense only.
open monolith
Other ones are better for cc / offensive
restive flax
I mean, HM tauren just take flat less damage
open monolith
Yeah we calculated it
It's a fraction of what nose for trouble is through the course of a dungeon
restive flax
dont they also get more vers?
open monolith
Hm definitely better for raid
astral crystal
idk that it's sage advice that changing races is going to help you not get gibbed when you pull a pack lol
there's obviously something there that's a little more serious than your race
open monolith
It literally makes the first few moments of a trash pull do no damage
The most vulnerable part of a pull becomes completely safe
vestal moat
im not saying it's going to bail me out by itself. It's a race. it's a slight optimization.
gloomy cradle
its not a solution to hard hitting packs, but it certainly helps
vestal moat
When I'm currently BE and honestly arcane torrent is very lackluster.
astral crystal
the point is even if it's a vulnerable moment you still really shouldn't be dying there
it's a gameplay issue, not a race issue
open monolith
Yes but the race can help Band-Aid the gameplay issue
vestal moat
i dont play perfect. I want to improve my gameplay AND help in moments when i do not.
gloomy cradle
it's a gameplay issue, not a race issue
this
astral crystal
especially if it happened this week tbh
i mean it's your money obv, just saying, that's a panacea and it's not going to help you if you're already not good at surviving that first moment
gloomy cradle
i'm all for making it as easy as possible for yourself, there are enough things to think about already but say second pack in DOS on a fortified week will still one-shot you
if you dont have any mitigation up
either way, what the others said, you just need to learn where you need to pre-pop SW or LS and you'll be fine
uneven mason
When I'm currently BE and honestly arcane torrent is very lackluster.
its incredibly powerful on a lot of trash.
open monolith
@strong forum we have Vulpera non-believers.
grizzled forge
anyone know if heart of alar trinket works with general draven soulbind?
or do you physically have to die
open monolith
good question
I would assume that heart of alar procs first
then if you die again, draven one procs
grizzled forge
ive heard both proc first so
grizzled forge
so some are saying general may proc first
open monolith
I am not venthyr, otherwise i'd go test it for you
chilly brook
Alar basically works like cheat death for rogue afaik
grizzled forge
ya i dont have alar unfortue
chilly brook
You just dont take the lethal damage
grizzled forge
right but general draven passive when you die does that big burst
open monolith
man I love Heart of Al'ar
grizzled forge
so wonder if it triggers off that
i guess ti would be same for demon hunter
if it procs off of last resort
chilly brook
It's kinda dubious to play around anyways
strong forum
It literally makes the first few moments of a trash pull do no damage
You adapted fast
chilly brook
If you just wanted damage there are better soulbinds
open monolith
it doesn't take long to see the effect.
I am a believer
a furry widdle uwu bewiever
signal plover
Heckin furries
open monolith
bro it only hurts the first few days
chilly brook
You adapted fast
I hate you
open monolith
then... then you get to make camp at your covenant hall and set hearth to oribos
strong forum
Good, let the hate flow through you.
open monolith
AND you can use OTHER vulper'as camps to change talents outside of Nathria
open monolith
it.... it all comes together
chilly brook
Then again I played panda
open monolith
just gif, you casual
open monolith
Just remember
signal plover
open monolith
you are contractually obligated to type in /say chat with uwu speak
signal plover
Griff no
open monolith
"hewe we go fwends! uwu ^_^"
open monolith
that sounds incredible
modern brook
"hewe we go fwends! uwu ^_^"
how the fuck ihave the anime pfp and ur the one saying this
chilly brook
Of having to fucking fly to oribos
lavish oracle
Wish I could play dorf or KT but alas
open monolith
Bullfango we're discussing playing Vulpera.
signal plover
american pie lyrics play over the Pwarr jukebox
open monolith
you have to go full uwu when playing vulpera
modern brook
disgusting
open monolith
oh and Griff don't forget to make your fursona, too
chilly brook
Oh hell no
open monolith
lol
modern brook
his name is griff
signal plover
The world ends if Sense goes vulpera
modern brook
hes already got his fursona down
chilly brook
hes already got his fursona down
I will not be berated by anime boi
open monolith
Griff sounds like a big ol' half eagle half half lion
Sweet Fursona bro
See you at furcon
uwu
chilly brook
open monolith
lol
signal plover
Tbf, a sock is a weird fursona
open monolith
signal plover
Not crusty enuf
vestal moat
Does the Bag of Tricks provide any value whatsoever in a M+ setting? THinking one of those empty globals. Like, how much damage / healing does it do at 210 ilvl .
modern brook
I said I'd never be a winter queen simp
its just implied
chilly brook
Now I'm a winter queen simp
open monolith
but you can also use it as a little damage nuke when you have no buttons to press
chilly brook
Then I said I would never be a fucking furry
open monolith
no
chilly brook
Now I'm actually gonna go be a vulpera
modern brook
sorry for the misinfo
vestal moat
Yeah Im legit changing. This is too good. plus the backpack and teleport.
signal plover
Sounds like you need more firm, more ignorant beliefs
open monolith
Just remember, this isn't going to suddenly help you clear keys
vestal moat
yeah i know.
open monolith
but it will make the beginning of every pull a little less butthole clenchy when you go in with 0 rage
signal plover
but nom said...
chilly brook
Just remember, this isn't going to suddenly help you clear keys
Nonsense I'm going to go from 1k io to 1.6k now
mossy sluice
😮
signal plover
Nonsense I'm going to go from 1k io to 1.6k now
Only if you buy an alienware duud
vestal moat
I'm trying to do 16s and every group wants big pulls all the time and its stressful to gather them all up and see me spiking a lot at the beginning especially if i los for a bit or something else.
signal plover
F
modern brook
maybe if you were a dh it wouldnt have mattered
chilly brook
And having your resto shaman main 1k io player play ele
vestal moat
dont you io the re st of your greoup before you start?? i nope out if someone is an obvious carry.
modern brook
this gets sadder as it goes tbh
chilly brook
The priest sent me a mean whisper after I hearthed out
Didnt even dignify him by looking at it
open monolith
who has a good cooldown tracker? I tried downloading the zentracker weak aura w/ the associated lib addon, and it just... doesn't work.
chilly brook
Just logged for the night lmao
open monolith
I'm gonna uninstall those 2 for something better
chilly brook
who has a good cooldown tracker? I tried downloading the zentracker weak aura w/...
Omni CD
open monolith
omni CD. cool. Does that have interrupts / damage / personals?
chilly brook
Yep
open monolith
nice
chilly brook
this gets sadder as it goes tbh
To give you an example of how bad it was I was at like 2k HPS just under the priest's 2.1k when I died 3/4ths of the way through ickus
tropic sorrel
hi my friends, one doubt, i dropped altimor trinket from mythic 226, i already have hakkar 226 and kael 213 cheat death trinket, altimor is better than kael?
chilly brook
Uhh what is the altimore trinket again?
mossy sluice
the kill your bud one
vestal moat
The leash thing? i wouldnt use that over either of the ones you have.
tropic sorrel
and another doubt, that @!$! dogmaster hit so hard with shot on me sometimes, i got 60k from a hit one time, what can i do?
chilly brook
And the kaelthas trinket is only ever good if you think you're gonna die
60k sounds like he was enraged
mossy sluice
he just shoots hard
chilly brook
Which is a group problem
chilly brook
I'd rather have barghasts leash just for the memes
But neither are particularly great
tropic sorrel
ok, im trying to farm soa trinket
but i really have gl on vault
to drop hakkar 226
with evasion
lavish oracle
I like Alar in M+ but wouldn't use it in raid
tropic sorrel
chilly brook
Huntsboi do just be hitting hard though
mossy sluice
hardest i got hit by huntsman last night was 30k
tropic sorrel
so, i will start destroyer today, prog mythic on core, any tips for tanking him as war?
tropic sorrel
guild prog*
chilly brook
Tanking who?
mossy sluice
hungering destroyer
chilly brook
Oh uhhh no real tips
mossy sluice
you can deflect the damage from expunge/orbs whcih is kinda cool
just make sure you have sb up for every tank buster
mossy sluice
he can melee + overwhelm within .1s of each other and that can giga chunk
chilly brook
Tfw HD is honestly more patchwerk than the "patchwerk" fight of the tier
tropic sorrel
he can melee + overwhelm within .1s of each other and that can giga chunk
jesus
tropic sorrel
lul
jagged pier
so, i will start destroyer today, prog mythic on core, any tips for tanking him ...
take bolster
tropic sorrel
ok, thanks guys, i need another good trinket
chilly brook
I'm almost convinced if you can get a Path of Hymnal at a decent ilvl from world quests it'll be one of the best trinkets you can get
It's actually stupid
jagged pier
well what u might be able to get it at 184 now right
chilly brook
I think I got it at like 171 or something on my monk and its 72 vers plus a damage proc that was like 6% of my damage over the whole of a the dungeon
It's doing just as much as the 200ilvl ooze trinket that I have on that toon from just the proc
open monolith
@tropic sorrel you have 226 hakkar and 213 KT trinkets??
deft bridge
overwhelm deals so much fkn damage
open monolith
bro you have amazing trinkets
for m+ those are my dream trinkets.
I only have 171 hakkar and 200 KT D:
jagged pier
overwhelm deals so much fkn damage
if you dont block
deft bridge
tru
mossy sluice
^ i live that easily with shield block up
restive flax
17k is not that much
lusty marsh
Spell reflect
restive flax
In hc its 37k physical originally right?
lusty marsh
No but it reduces damage
mossy sluice
spell reflect just reduces the dam by 20% iirc
lusty marsh
You also have the added benefit of clearing one nearby trap after if you can reach one
strong forum
take bolster
I used AM tbh
Cuz like, you don't tank for long periods at a time
No reason to
ocean bloom
@chilly brook i havnt even seen it on wq's for warr yet everytime its up for my monk its a shitty diff trinket for my warr
jagged pier
I used AM tbh
yes but for progress it helps
plus i tank for longer than 2 sb charges
jagged pier
I mean the most effeicnt way is to taunt on cd but no ones doing that
chilly brook
I think I've been running bolster on huntsboi
But yea
I'd probably go AM for Hungering
strong forum
ye bolster for huntsmen cuz you perma tank