;)
#protection
signal plover
I have footage for 4/10M now, just need to get off my ass to narrate em this weekend lol
astral crystal
we just swap each combo
strong forum
from what i can tell
its literally just a popularity thing
but i havent done shit higher than 17 cuz why the fuck would i push without max gear
kindred plume
Thanks again y'all!
chilly brook
Spell reflect last hit of shattering pain
lofty widget
prot warr is literally fine for anything up to +20 i'd say
chilly brook
Spell reflect on blood price
heavy sail
Kiting tools are there but theyโre kinda meh overall, popularity is definitely the reason they appear to be worse than they are.
kindred plume
Spell reflect noted, ty!
chilly brook
Spell reflect wrecking pain
All of those abilities can be reflected
Wracking pain is touchy on whether it reflects the damage
kindred plume
I sent them the reflect sheet from the pins this morning. But will make sure they're aware.
chilly brook
But it at least is 20% reduced damage on the hit
The debuff is the scary part tho
After hand of destruction in p2 when you go through the mirror usually that's a tank swap because a wracking pain just went off
Have the guy who is taking remornia taunt but dont waste a block charge
Because she just does impale anyways
So its wasted
It's a lot of tank damage in general for that fight but lots of baits for wasting block
Heroic leap can save pulls if they get hit by the knockback swirlies
valid zodiac
Alright can someone explain to me how does Soulcrusher on Muea'zala works. I know that I can reflect the dot but sometimes he does soulcrusher and I don't get the dot without any mitigation up
chilly brook
Alright can someone explain to me how does Soulcrusher on Muea'zala works. I kno...
Parry
chilly brook
The dot is based off of the physical hit he does
kindred plume
Ty, Griff!
chilly brook
Ty, Griff!
Np, I've had enough wipes on that fight to have some knowledge to share
Also small thing
But for blood price and shattering pain, they should be spamming their charge keybinds, it'll prevent the boss from having weird positioning movement.
Plus it's free rage
And for p3 positioning can really kill your raid
kindred plume
Awesome! I'll pass it along.
chilly brook
I dont really have anything else I can think of
cinder pasture
Guess I used up my luck for this expansion now
valid zodiac
Gz
Btw I don't remember exactly, but did killing explosive back in Legion give a charge of Victory rush?
chilly brook
Yes
valid zodiac
Of course they had to remove that ...
chilly brook
It did all the way until halfway through 8.2
And then it stopped
Never got a response from blizz on whether it was a bug or not
Just a ninja change with no clarification
My guess would be it was an unintentional change that they were ok with and didn't feel the need to revert or explain
signal plover
But for blood price and shattering pain, they should be spamming their charge ke...
For blood price if u spam too fast you can charge too quick and still get affected by the knockback lol. Was super frustrating til I figured that out.
chilly brook
Interesting haven't had that happen yet lol
signal plover
There's like .3 seconds between the stun expiring and him casting the knockback
chilly brook
I'm just a stickler for positioning and it bothers me when he does his weird teleports and shit
signal plover
It's super fun cuz the boss ports under you
I use leap for it now tbh
Charge/intervene during massacres
Errr
Ravages
signal plover
My monkboi does moves in P1 and I do blood price cuz leap keeps him completely stable
chilly brook
And it's technically less movement
signal plover
We got enough roars n shit
signal plover
We phase too fast now
chilly brook
Outside of making sure we take the right amount of cleansing pains anyways
signal plover
Giga add pad :)
chilly brook
Still hate that fight
Just hate it less
Progging on it sucks
Because you gotta get 6 minutes into it to practice the hard part
signal plover
I love fights where precise positioning is rewarded so I rly enjoyed prog lol
grizzled forge
someone have that link to all the tech stuff for dungeons?
chilly brook
Tech stuff?
chilly brook
someone have that link to all the tech stuff for dungeons?
Do you mean what you can block and what you can reflect?
grizzled forge
na it was like patterns of last boss in mist and letting consumption go through but it was a break down for each dungeon
sweet summit
patterns of last boss mist?
grizzled forge
it was like a spread sheet
patterns meaning like the poison under feet maps the direction you moved out of it so next time the posion will move that direction
chilly brook
๐
sweet summit
i am so confused
chilly brook
I just move
grizzled forge
you know the poison under your feet?
grizzled forge
no i know that i was refering to the spread sheet was using that as example
because some people dont know that it maps your movements.. like if you use a speed boost when you dodge it and run 10 feet
when the next time it spawns itll go that direction fast to the location you stopped last..
grizzled forge
yes its not about the damn ability.. i was just using that as an example on the spread sheet.. idk why we are debating the ability.. it had nothing to do with the ability it was just an example from the spread sheet that was posted in here like last week.. just couldnt remember who posted it
chilly brook
Because it seems, from the example you gave, that its largely focusing on things that dont need to be that in depth
Granted
Everyone is different
But I've not seen anything resembling what you're referring to
vestal moat
Is it ridiculous to craft the Wall onto my cloak if I have BIS 226 shoulders alrdy?
sour phoenix
Hey everyone! Newbie tank here. I just switched from Arms to Prot (new to prot) and am now tanking Normal Nathria. How does swapping multiple targets work best as a prot warrior? For instance council fight, where I have to take aggro from MT, Stavos and Fabio, and she takes Niklaus.
What is the best strategy to aggro swap when I can only actively taunt 1 mob at a time?
strong forum
you ignore frieda
only taunt between niklaus and stavros
frieda doesnt matter she does no tank damage besides auto attacks
sour phoenix
so the main tank just holds Frieda continuously?
sour phoenix
ohh thats what I thought
chilly brook
The only time frieda matters is if you need her to be positioned
Although if you're ever in a situation where you need to take several mobs
You can challenging shout
chilly brook
And your cotank can grab whatever they need
sour phoenix
oh
strong forum
so you can taunt back to back
chilly brook
And that
naive swan
@strong forum sry if it got answered but I was wondering how mikanikos soulbind is for prot? I'd like to not have to switch up conduits since I frequent arms for pvp as well
chilly brook
i hear prot warrior isnt doing well right now
Define not doing well
uneven mason
We're a dumpster fire
rocky gust
idk, is it worth investing in playing shadowlands on my prot warrior or just find some other class or spec to play
rocky gust
i loved prot warrior last season on bfa
and going into shadowlands i am bummed about it
uneven mason
Prot is fine
uneven mason
unless your enjoyment is based around tanks not tanking, but instead running away
No
mossy sluice
weapon throw is about to be on my scroll wheel
rocky gust
weapon throw is about to be on my scroll wheel
omg u cracked me up
blazing condor
i know thunderlord is better for m+ and the wall is more raiding - but is there one that's "generally" better than the other?
blazing condor
i felt like wall would be better if you had to choose
just wanna confirm cus im a scrub
silver trout
weapon throw is about to be on my scroll wheel
this tbh
ionic fern
If you will only make one then make The Wall.
rocky gust
awesome clip
blazing condor
well you can only have one legendary right now right?
rocky gust
insane spell reflect has most damage
ionic fern
Yes.
if you plan to do m+, play whichever you like more.
blazing condor
seems a bit niche : P
ionic fern
If you plan to do Raiding then play THe Wall.
blazing condor
i only have the wall rn and im still gearing up so it seems smart to just put it on wall
also whats the smart move for crafting legendary? like what ilvl do i wanna get on the vessel
chilly brook
awesome clip
It's just an 11 but should give you a good idea about where we are https://youtu.be/-nPShmyequ4
TLDW though is we're higher than community perception would have you believe
Its kinda analogous to 8.0
uneven mason
top keys on Rio literally filled with kiting cheese and not actual tanking~
8.0 without the 6 digit DPS
chilly brook
top keys on Rio literally filled with kiting cheese and not actual tanking~
Unless you're Dorki
And you give no fucks and facetank it all and only typhoon the mobs away to hop into boomie to convoke
blazing condor
is there any reason not to buy a 235 legendary vessel?
uneven mason
costs like 5200
blazing condor
well i dont have that lol
uneven mason
soul ash to make a tier 4
sweet summit
blazing condor
thanks guys
sweet summit
rank 1 is 1250
rocky gust
It's just an 11 but should give you a good idea about where we are https://youtu...
thanks for the video
blazing condor
also is there any benefits in which slot you put it on? or just go for upgrade on lowest ilvl
last question i swear lmao
uneven mason
shoulders generally for wall
signal plover
Shoulder is generally recommended but not a huge deal
undone sun
slots have d ifferent stat budgets, so ideally you want the highest budget
blazing condor
thanku thanku
frigid roost
wich one is better?
chilly brook
wich one is better?
Haste
mossy sluice
haste better than vers
solemn magnet
Big haste
frigid roost
k cool thanks ๐
dry cairn
what's the recommended ilvl for m10 ?
chilly brook
You could probably to it at 184
Tbh
We did alt keys at like 180ish and were pushing 8s
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dry cairn
weird, i'm at 202 and just keep getting declines for m+ and hc raids
chilly brook
Well
mossy sluice
warrior bias
chilly brook
Two things
dry cairn
like must've had 10 in a roll fml
chilly brook
Technically 3
dry cairn
last 4 FeelsBadMan
chilly brook
- bad community perception
- lower ilvl than other options
- low io
obtuse marsh
I did +8 in time with my shit alt 167
chilly brook
I was getting declined to 12s at like 210 ilvl and at like 950io, even when I had almost double the runs completed as the person with the key and being 100+ io above them
Pug life can be dumb
dry cairn
holy fuck
chilly brook
Best way to fix it is really to just get io and or do your own key
dry cairn
get io, you mean grind m+ on lower keys?
chilly brook
Just do keys you need for io
sweet summit
you can only get io from completing/timing higher keys than the last "best" key in that dungeon
chilly brook
I shoulda pushed harder this last week but didnt have time so I'm still only a 1k andy
dry cairn
well, firstly i gotta get into +10 but that seems impossible atm
chilly brook
That being said most of this io I've pugged
mossy sluice
meta bias is real, you gotta be that much better than the vdh alternatives
people emulate what they see at the top
sweet summit
best idea would be to do what griff said, do your own key
cant get kicked from your own group 
sour phoenix
hey @chilly brook what ui is that?
dry cairn
fair enough
sweet summit
think he is refering to the video he linked earlier
dry cairn
i thought this meta bias is only found on +15 and above, sad to see it at his level
sweet summit
feel like there is a lot more emphasis on "bring the class not the player" this season
in the pug world
sour phoenix
also, on that ui, are green ones you have aggro on and red ones you don't? i never realized how much i have to learn
chilly brook
hey <@!133532617940140032> what ui is that?
Its Elvui
sweet summit
is that kui nameplates?
sweet summit
ah
sour phoenix
oh okay, so threatplates and elvui are separate mods then
chilly brook
Yes
chilly brook
feel like there is **a lot** more emphasis on "bring the class not the player" t...
Seems like it especially with lust being so much better than drums
Brez also feels more impactful for some reason
mossy sluice
covenant abilities being so impactful and being class specific as well
wild spirits just deletes a pack from existance
dry cairn
feel like there is **a lot** more emphasis on "bring the class not the player" t...
alright, thanks for the explanation, either gonna try to find a decent guild or just quit until next season
chilly brook
But they're still wanting to do just like 12s-13s
chilly brook
alright, thanks for the explanation, either gonna try to find a decent guild or ...
Just do your own keys and network tbh
Be picky
Add people
It makes a difference
sweet summit
idk, ill do keys with guildies but for now im not a huge fan of how i have to play as a tank in keys
fucking hate kite meta
silver trout
it sucks
dry cairn
yeah, kite meta makes it feel like ...not tanking
chilly brook
Have a lot of friends who offer keys just because they were so impressed that I didn't play floor POV as a warrior
And a lot of them are good
Or at least better at keys than my guild
silver trout
i have a pretty regular group, but doing pugs is rough. Getting my r.io up has beee painful
dry cairn
yeah it's just not fun atm
mossy sluice
just displace blame when you die, works everytime
chilly brook
This probably sounds really assholey
But if you want to push io
Dont play with friends
sweet summit
depends tbh
chilly brook
depends tbh
It does I'm just saying most of the time your goals and your friends goals wont align
Or level of play
nova vector
Couldnโt find where it has been asked. Are there any important uses for Shattering Throw in M+?
chilly brook
Nw last boss
sweet summit
yes that
chilly brook
The fear dudes in nw
sonic mesa
Aaaah, till +14's i got accepted but getting accepted in +15's is such a struggle
chilly brook
If you break their shield they die
mossy sluice
any of the aboms that cast meat shield
chilly brook
It's literally 8.0 all over
sonic mesa
I NEED the +15 mount
north rampart
teach me senpai, how did you get so good as spell reflectin?
modern brook
step one press the button
chilly brook
Step 1 know when to press the button
mossy sluice
shockwave mobs if they are out of sync that cast the same spells to guarantee a double+ reflect
chilly brook
Step 2 press the button
Step 3 pray that your dps dont interrupt even when you yell at them not to
Real talk though
As dadghar says
"Knowledge is power"
dry cairn
I NEED the +15 mount
i share your pain
chilly brook
teach me senpai, how did you get so good as spell reflectin?
That specific screencap is just reflecting evertime I could for the scythe on the last boss of TOP
north rampart
Step 1 know when to press the button
just from that tiny url link? or lots of practice making mental notes before each pull?
sonic mesa
Pretty sure if i reroll DH tank i will have it faster when i play on my warrior
chilly brook
Pretty much looking it up on the sheet and just putting it into practice ye
mossy sluice
what addon tracks sr damage in details btw?
chilly brook
It should just be tracked in details period now
open monolith
If you spear on pull against sludge, will it be up for 1st pillar?
chilly brook
If you spear on pull against sludge, will it be up for 1st pillar?
Yea
All your 1m CDs should be up every pillar
open monolith
Cool
chilly brook
You only hold 2m CDs
silver trout
sometimes when i do 14-13 ppl say i havent seen a warrior tank before
i get this a lot at lower level keys too.
flint kelp
which addon would you guys recommend for tanking?
uneven mason
weakauras
flint kelp
got that!
uneven mason
k, make some ๐
chilly brook
Just in general people don't see warriors, and it's even more rare that they see good warriors
Because the community perception has railed about how bad it apparently is since beta
It's the same thing that happened in 8.0
chilly brook
Whether we're as powerful as we were in 8.0 is a different story and whether we have a comeback like we did in 8.1 due to that power being realized remains to be seen
mighty cairn
surprised there are that many bdk's out there
undone jacinth
think a lot of people thought it would be a mega raid tank like the end of last tier
assumption was bdk/brew again
chilly brook
It's not my favorite spec and probably wont ever be but a lot of people love it
waxen cradle
To be fair if they change the kite meta ๐คฎ of M+ and buff our damage a bit we will start being wanted in keys far more
undone jacinth
hipsters think it's the most skill intensive tank because you have to press ur heal button
strong forum
Bdk is just omega popular.
chilly brook
Plus community has talked about how it's such a good tank for some reason despite being arguably one of the weaker options historically
strong forum
Bdk will always see huge representation because its just popular
Even when terribly weak
chilly brook
^^
strong forum
Its atleast top3 if not top2 of played amount
waxen cradle
Yeah and people like there ability to control adds through grips as well
spiral wave
u guys ever do higher keys with ret pally?
strong forum
If the opportunity presents itself and pally isn't shit
chilly brook
Ret you should really pull around
strong forum
Sure why not
waxen cradle
However that is just a utility thing as DK's have so little mobility
strong forum
People just like pressing deathstrike and grip
chilly brook
Especially if your pally is Venthyr
waxen cradle
I feel DK's just trade mobility for grips and self heals really
and people like that
chilly brook
You're gonna get a lot of mileage out of pulling around their Ashen Hallow
spiral wave
so how u handle the 30k burst
undone jacinth
as long as they have death grip
people will enjoy it
even if you remove every other button
chilly brook
Ravager, charge, avatar, ancient aftershock, revenge
Go into normal rotation
I burst for 12-15k probably shouldn't have an issue with people bursting 30k
spiral wave
no acient after or spear >_>
chilly brook
RIP you
spiral wave
lol
mossy sluice
just condemn them all 4head
spiral wave
^
strong forum
:worry:
strong forum
Okay then uhm... Bring 2 rogues/hunters
chilly brook
Dont tell me you're a banner boi
spiral wave
yeah bro had to
sweet summit
why didnt u pick a covenant ๐ค
spiral wave
style
strong forum
And use challenging shout on CD with pally
strong forum
Funny thing is
Alot of people complain about not being able to use the cosmetic they want to have
Yet nobody uses covenant sets
Even if they have the one they want
signal plover
I use covenant set in arenas
chilly brook
I was in my groot set last night in raid brother
strong forum
Cuz they're the same as green gear that legit everybody has
spiral wave
caps 190 :/
strong forum
Idk they're beyond boring
Like
so boring
There's nothing cool about them if they're legit free
Imo
signal plover
Kyrian mog and wings except no chest dorf running at ya
strong forum
You mean elite set?
signal plover
The anima renown set
chilly brook
Winterborn or something
strong forum
So boring
signal plover
But by your own admission no one is using it ;)
undone jacinth
respect
strong forum
Elite set is different, everybody is running that instead
But covenant sets hardly anyone uses
signal plover
Being bored of elite set alrdy sounds like a personal problem
Mythic plate will be exclusive for awhile imo but you'll need the vault to complete it prolly lol
strong forum
Yuh, mythic set is a banger
mossy sluice
mythic anima 
signal plover
There's also the purple covenant set from minigame lol
strong forum
It'll be comparatively exclusive until 9.2
chilly brook
This one @strong forum
mossy sluice
fae bae
chilly brook
Yes I know it's the same set but it looks better than any of the other colorations imo
strong forum
Kyrian all but the quest one look bad
solemn magnet
Your branches don't match, tho
chilly brook
It's not mine
Just a screenshot of someone who has it apparently
I haven't turbo nerded enough to grind anima and rep to unlock it
Was too busy doing other turbo nerd shit
Like getting my maw mount
signal plover
Idk if anything will beat out my old PvP+artifact shield mog this tier (maybe mythic plate)
ocean bloom
Yeah I dont like that your weapons are based on covenant
signal plover
Prolly gonna go back to blue hammer from BRF soon
The sword is a meh fit at best
mossy sluice
i like the kyrian sword as a stand alone but idk what to match it with
signal plover
Ya that's the problem
We're not pallies
I think the necro mogs would have meshed way better with most of my older shit
chilly brook
signal plover
Also not using mage tower shield feelsbad
jagged pier
Just wish there was a shield/weapon to match
THIS IS A BIG TRU
chilly brook
Nah still Blood Elf
signal plover
Oh the ol peepee attach?
chilly brook
Just jump between male/female depending on the day
signal plover
Fair
signal plover
Same body type tbh
mossy sluice
offhand tokens are so cringe blizzard
chilly brook
Oh the ol peepee attach?
Sometimes I just gotta copy @open monolith
open monolith
enchanted thorium is best sexy female plate mog
signal plover
Enchanting
chilly brook
It really do look nice tho
chilly brook
You have a hard job anyways
You picked a tauren
Making a tauren look good isn't ez
silver trout
i need to get more mace and shield transmogs
torpid granite
someone explain to me the dmg tanken panel on warcraftlogs
chilly brook
someone explain to me the dmg tanken panel on warcraftlogs
What are you trying to understand
silver trout
chilly brook
Wanna link the log
torpid granite
yeah gimme a sec
im comparing it to my other tanks im lvling just to compare dmg taken
but idk how to ready the monks
chilly brook
So
Stagger
You take x% of what you would get hit for up front
The rest goes into your stagger and ticks over time
torpid granite
i guess what im looking for is..is that 1.32m after i purified that stagger or before
chilly brook
You will take more damage because you don't really mitigate the damage as a monk
But because it's so consistent and because you have stuff like Celestial fortune it balances out
chilly brook
i guess what im looking for is..is that 1.32m after i purified that stagger or b...
Should be only damage that you took
Not damage you removed through purify
torpid granite
ok thank you
strong forum
Think of it like this, if you never purify or celestial brew, a monk will reduce the damage he took by 0
torpid granite
got ya
strong forum
Stagger drags out the dmg you take, but doesn't reduce it
Only purify and celestial actually removes damage you would take
torpid granite
im still so torn up about what tank i like the most
strong forum
That's for you and you alone to decide
torpid granite
so im trying to base it off who im doing the best with atm
deft vessel
I don't really want this trinket do I
strong forum
It's good for dps
deft vessel
my second use trinket tho
deft vessel
yeah, prolly grabbing chest, just wanted to check with people if i'm making a mistake skipping on a piece, but i'm still using covenant chest piece
strong forum
Except for maybe hakkar trinket
strong forum
Lmao go chest
uneven mason
Except for maybe hakkar trinket
because it.....scales well?
strong forum
deft vessel
I like hakkar trinket
uneven mason
I Need to get one of those >< I'm actually main tanking now
chilly brook
so im trying to base it off who im doing the best with atm
You're going to do best with the tank that you enjoy playing the most because you'll be motivated to play it well
torpid granite
thats my biggest issue is that i like them all pretty much equally lol
strong forum
Toss a coin
Depending on your reaction to the outcome, you can get more information
chilly brook
There has to be aspects of one that you find more compelling than all the rest
torpid granite
i think its currently between the monk and the warrior
ive mained bear for awhile but its getting stale
strong forum
Then toss a coin, warri is more punishing to play if you're playing badly tho
chilly brook
torpid granite
ill post my warrior log too
strong forum
Monk is way more forgiving
torpid granite
gimme a sec
chilly brook
Monk has a lower floor but a much higher ceiling compared to its past iterations since Legion
Which is what brought me back to it
Contrasted to warrior which has a higher floor than most tanks and a fairly high ceiling
torpid granite
which i do enjoy
chilly brook
Although now that guard exists again (celestial brew) learning fights can be extremely beneficial for monk now
strong forum
1 huge mistake you're making is
Wait no
Wrong row
I confused crackling thunder with UF
I'm on mobile so Its a bit harder to navigate
cold zealot
Is Bladedancers Armor Kit (the SD tank trinket) worth taking from vault?
undone sun
strong forum
Absolute trash
cold zealot
ill hang my warrior
strong forum
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VtxXa3TvhzAbWQ7g#fight=6&view=rankings&play...
From what it looks like, no major mistakes
Except maybe wasting a bit of rage here and there, but not too much
torpid granite
i wanna say that log i parsed well for dps
granted its lfr but its a baseline non-the-less
deft vessel
hm, what chest enchant do you lot prefer
strong forum
Stats
strong forum
Parse is good for 173 ilvl
torpid granite
i need to make the wall now
chilly brook
Last I simmed I had more out of the 30 strength
Could have changed though as things tend to do
strong forum
There are more enchants on chest than 30 stats?
undone jacinth
I get more out of 30 stats even on my dps main
chilly brook
Ye
strong forum
deft vessel
hey skirmish exists lul
strong forum
What's it do
deft vessel
20 stats + damage proc like oil
chilly brook
Damage proc and 20 strength
strong forum
I don't think anyone uses skirmish
chilly brook
Wont make much of a difference tbh
sick sentinel
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/tankian this is what i got going on so far.
sand obsidian
When I need to pop cds as a tank for unavoidable damage from certain mobs/bosses, what would those consist of besides LS and SW?
heavy sail
I wanna say that skirmish actually sims better for some specs
Like fury I believe it does
chilly brook
When I need to pop cds as a tank for unavoidable damage from certain mobs/bosses...
Those are generally the defensive CDs we have
Unless you want to hold onto demoralizing shout
But you get more mileage out of using it on CD
sand obsidian
Assuming that isn't suggested, especially with the legendary
Haven't played Warrior tank since BC Karazhan days lol
sick sentinel
After 50 auto shots this enchant proc'd 11 times. It did 511 shadow dmg and 1022 crits. I have 1043 Agility on a hunter and was not using any buffs. When I used my trinket and Orc racial I saw no difference in damage, probably because it does shadow damage.
this is what someone said about skirmish
chilly brook
Assuming that isn't suggested, especially with the legendary
Yea definitely not suggested
sick sentinel
well, i'm probably using it because its cheaper and i know i will get a high ilvl chest piece at some point
dry spear
is theotar the "better" option for tank in m+. because draven looks good.
dry spear
i only care about tankyness
silver trout
i switched from theotar to draven, so far it "feels" a ton better when stuff gets kind of wild in keys
sullen drift
so now we play korayn at soulbinds?
sweet summit
potency conduit tho ๐คข
west prairie
is am worth it with the wall for m+ or raid?
strong forum
viable in low content
sand obsidian
Do most play Venthyr? I thought Kyrian was the go to
strong forum
in raid depends on boss
most play kyrian correct
i just know that Draven is broken for tanks
strong forum
silver trout
i just know that Draven is broken for tanks
Broken in what way? the OP sort of way? orrr?
strong forum
ye
dry spear
i have the wall
dry spear
Broken in what way? the OP sort of way? orrr?
what is the sense? u mean service?
strong forum
taking 10% less dmg below 40% hp
is quite broken
and then get gets another conduit on last row increasing your HP and healing
dry spear
hold your ground right
silver trout
yeah
sick sentinel
is the spires trinket even good for DH?
i gave it to him anyway, and then i think the neck as well., but its a DH
warped dock
guys i feel like i take a lot of dmg
and im 200ilvl. i mean im not well geared but i m not that bad.
prev week some packs oneshoted me
plain saffron
AM or Bolster paired with Thunderlord? I'm close to getting The Wall soon, will swap to it once I get it. Mainly m+
warped dock
this week i have probles too
hushed lantern
mild compass
Im new to parses, and not quite sure how they work for tanks. I noticed all my kills for H council are really low compared to others. Most of my kills are 80+ but council the highest i have is 41.
strong forum
cuz you did less damage comparatively to others
80 parse means you did more damage than 80% of all prot warriors that killed this boss on that difficulty
so if you only got a 41, it meants you only did more damage than 41% of prot warriors
deft vessel
meh
quiet gulch
So Iโm new to prot tanking. Anyone want to take me under their wing.
chilly brook
So Iโm new to prot tanking. Anyone want to take me under their wing.
The icyveins guide should have you covered
You might find this helpful as well
fickle dust
It's just an 11 but should give you a good idea about where we are https://youtu...
Soooo this is awesome. I checked out your channel โ hopefully this is the first of more to come?? ๐๐ป
chilly brook
Soooo this is awesome. I checked out your channel โ hopefully this is the first ...
I'm hoping to yea, recently been a little busy, I've recorded some extra stuff but I wanna get a 14 or a 15 recorded so hopefully tonight
fickle dust
I'm hoping to yea, recently been a little busy, I've recorded some extra stuff b...
Thatโd be amazing! The commentary is great โ I appreciate hearing how youโre dealing with the affixes, mechanics, PUGs, etc.
chilly brook
Appreciate it! I hate hearing myself talk believe it or not. Probably hard to believe with how active I am in here
strong forum
everybody hates how they sound at first
fickle dust
Dude, everyone hates the sound of their own voice โ it lacks the resonance provided by the skull lol. But youโve got a good thing! I have a pretty low tolerance for ramblers and obnoxious voices and youโre neither ๐๐ป
strong forum
i got used to mine
need a better mic and soundboard to fake deeper voice though
:^)
chilly brook
Lol
If I could do it all over again I would have bought a mixer and xlr mic
But this is a several years old purchase
amber herald
worth talenting out of devastor for explosives this week?
strong forum
hah... good question
dont think so though
given that they have literally 1shot hp
so 1 button will always be enough, or 1 auto
amber herald
I was finding I was panicking and using revenge on them which led to rage starving
probably just need to not do that
strong forum
๐คทโโ๏ธ
amber herald
otherwise all you have is shield slam and thunderclap which often are on cd
those bastard bears have it good again this week
weak flower
So in the end is prot garbage or are people just flowing with what end gamers say?
dark lark
end gamers dont even think prot is garbage lol
versed wasp
do you ever use ww on prot?
weak flower
Never
strong forum
All the tanks are alright in comparison between each other
It's just bad reputation, like usual
weak flower
I mean I tanked a m4 just now, i'm kinda overgeared but don't have a legendary as I main arms and tbh I had absolutely no issue
strong forum
Welllll
orchid oar
The only issue I run into on prot is rage generation, but I've been getting better and better on that as the weeks go on
bleak briar
Them 10+ will eat that ass tho
strong forum
Eh +10s are still baby territory
orchid oar
Can't be spamming ignore pain like I was in BfA lol
bleak briar
True, but I got a good group so I find myself lucky
strong forum
15s you overgear
bleak briar
But I canโt seem or want to pug keys anymore. Itโs not worth it.
bleak briar
Ah, Iโm fresh back from cata
strong forum
My condolences
bleak briar
Still getting use to the system, but I like it just as much if not more than raiding, tho Iโm not a mythic raider
strong forum
0
astral crystal
no necessity
bleak briar
I mean I havenโt had to grind systems a lot of people did, so to me most of this is new and not too terrible yet.
strong forum
You don't need any amount of vers to do any type of content
mighty valley
As much as your highest ilvl gear gives you
astral crystal
remember this isn't BFA, you're not pumped up full of verse steroids through corruption
bleak briar
^
strong forum
That can influence your success
I depleted a +11 because I was boosting 3 friends on low characters
But with main group we easily +2 14s
floral scroll
some1 stream theor keys so i can learn
sour phoenix
The icyveins guide should have you covered
I appreciate this a lot.
the video you posted that is
sour phoenix
https://youtu.be/-nPShmyequ4
sorry, this ๐
strong forum
I don't upload my stuff cuz voice chat can get a bit hairy at the time
And I don't do high enough keys I feel are good to upload. 14/15s I don't think are relevant enough to upload
sour phoenix
Ive noticed most guides on youtube are pre launch
astral crystal
you're going to learn the most by doing and having a consistent team
cannot stress how important it is to run with people who you know and who know you
sour phoenix
experience is a great teacher
strong forum
Video guides are extremely fast out of date
So no point in doing them
And as you said, experience is the best teacher
None of the top people look at guides or greatly ask around
astral crystal
yeah, just gotta know the content
for example, asking why you died just reveals that you prob dont know what mobs do individually in each trash pack
rather than asking why did i die to this specifically
that helps you sort out personal/external CD use and how your group should be timing their dmg cooldowns
sour phoenix
right
vestal moat
What counts as a "powerful enemy" for Pelagos' Road of Trials 20% movement speed? Are elite mobs in m+ counted? Never looked.
sand obsidian
Weird question, but my warrior tank is fresh 60. Can probably get some m0 carries later from guild. Do you think it matters which piece of gear i buy with honor? Not sure how pvp gearing works at all
stark gull
how the hell do you do torghast this week as prot with that 9% HP dot tick every 5 seconds
solemn magnet
Victory rush?
astral crystal
What counts as a "powerful enemy" for Pelagos' Road of Trials 20% movement speed...
any elite pretty much
lofty widget
get the ability that heals you for 10k ish for every new mob you pull, and just keep pulling ๐
cinder nova
how the hell do you do torghast this week as prot with that 9% HP dot tick every...
You kill everything and victory rush.
hot zealot
Is there a soft cap for haste ? Also what % should I be aiming for
steel mauve
no, and as much haste as you can get
sick sentinel
Weird question, but my warrior tank is fresh 60. Can probably get some m0 carrie...
go to whatever you can do that gives the biggest ilvl
you can unlock alot of the early conduits with WQ. that helps too
tepid barn
just had a dps tell me tanks should be #1 on the interrupt meter
sick sentinel
makes sense, typically rank 4 dps in a 5 man
for a class like DH that you get a bonus for interupt, yeah sure, on something else might ruin rotation and kill dps
tepid barn
wait are you agreeing with him?
empty locust
Its in your best interests to interrupt a lot
its rare in my keys that a dps interrupts more than me
vocal bison
interrupt meter can be deceptive because stormbolt/shockwave/stomp/fear all don't count
empty locust
but it depends on the key and your group
ashen moon
guys, i have a question concerning rallying cry. what's the best option: using it before damage hits, or after dmg hits? thanks
empty locust
its not a hard and fast rule by any means
sick sentinel
if you interupt, you prevent damage to yourself or others in the group or boss bullshit like it gets giga enrage or heals,
then your healer has to spend all their CD to keep group alive and good chance you wiped because boss cast spells 100 times no interupt
amber herald
before is always better
ashen moon
before is always better
even if it loses the fake healing effect?
sick sentinel
always before, but be liberal with rally
amber herald
yeah I use it just for myself 1/2 of the time
sick sentinel
it's a good thing in general to cast
sometimes i do it to try to snipe people from stop dying
amber herald
even if it loses the fake healing effect?
I'm not sure the specifics of the spell, it's just the general tanking rule always use defensives cd before the hit
ashen moon
it's mostly for raid dmg, but i'll start using it as a personal defensive then
amber herald
It's really situational, in raid I'd probably save it but be a lot looser in m+
but if you're going to take a big hit and last stand/SW are off cd feel free to hit it for yourself
sick sentinel
i try to use rally in m+ when i know there is a good chance whole group will take raid damage
ashen moon
thanks for the tips guys
glossy pewter
@ashen moon normally i use it before the damage as long as it isnt max health damage
becuase it does last 12.6 seconds
glossy pewter
when you get a good feel for a dungeon and what affixs there are then you will know when you need to pop it like on de other side with the raging skeleton warriors
hardy radish
anyone raid with the anima field trinket? I feel like bosses need to be positioned so specifically that I'd struggle to keep uptime with it but idk
sullen drift
so korayn soulbind is good ? i think its ok but is it worth to keep it? pls help
open monolith
@hardy radish it procs constantly.
hardy radish
korayn does look good, but I just love grove invigoration so much
nimble drift
anyone raid with the anima field trinket? I feel like bosses need to be position...
its not an issue at all. I find if i change positioning it'll change quickly with me lol
it basically follows you
hardy radish
well I'll give it a shot, why not
I've got every damn trinket except the defensive ones lol
my rotten luck
pine kelp
Is a 6+ much harder than 0 to tank? I have a key from when I play dps, but I've only tanked 0 so far
dark lark
Hi guys, I'm a 1300ish r.io tank that's trying to push 16s and up. How handicapped will I be as Venthyr (with Gen Draven) compared to my current Kyrian setup?
Also about to get AOTC and start mythic raid as the main tank
north rampart
Weird question, but my warrior tank is fresh 60. Can probably get some m0 carrie...
the 197 honor stuff is great, run as many m0s as you can with your guild then buy and upgrade your weakest items and you will be nicely geared, 197 is only 3ilvl less than raid stuff, and the honour pvp stuff is less vers heavy than the conquest stuff so a it more pve friendly, especially for tanking, where haste/versa is BiS. 197+enchant is like raid tier loot.
hot zealot
Sorry Iโm fairly new to tanking, haste/verse is BiS?
sick sentinel
yes, but haste more and more about ilvl
hot zealot
Okay I need to bump my haste up lol
sick sentinel
@hot zealot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6ZToy6q5Ys
fallow violet
is prot war still awful?
fallow mortar
it never was
chilly brook
smh here we go again
whole umbra
Has sinseeker from Huntsman been able to target tanks in the past and I have been lucky the last 3 weeks?
Or did this just get changed?
fallow violet
?
fallow violet
wow 1 clip lol
sick sentinel
does your dps class not have a reduce aggro button
fallow violet
im telling you for a fact it was impossible to keep
chilly brook
I can give you a whole dungeon of me not losing aggro @fallow violet
sick sentinel
im pretty sure they gave that to just about all specs now
chilly brook
It wasn't
I also just did 4 13 keys with DPS all finishing anywhere between 5-6.6k overall and a fire mage and boomie who were bursting for over 30k
fallow violet
i played prot war for years im not asking im telling it was impossible. idk what its like now which is why i here
fallow violet
hardcore prot fanboy right here
i switched to paladin and was the easiest thing iv ever seen
prot pally that is
fallow violet
that is now
chilly brook
It doesn't matter how long you've played the class
fervent pawn
Aggro is a joke to keep
signal plover
It was never impossible to hold threat, not even when they took the threat buff away in alpha.
Snap threat has been variable, but always doable with proper play
chilly brook
You can still play wrong
chilly brook
It was never impossible to hold threat, not even when they took the threat buff ...
So much this
digital nova
if you're having threat problems i feel bad for you son, 99 problems but aggro ain't one
but seriously press revenge.
chilly brook
You had md in that clip lol
I had no MD tonight
And I did that pull several times
With a fire mage, DH and boomie
fallow violet
lol
deft sapphire
Yeah my point was that clip doesnโt help demonstrate your point
sick sentinel
i can't even remember how many times i been in group DH eyebeam, attack, aggro dead, rage
deft sapphire
Wasnโt saying you canโt hold aggro
sick sentinel
million times over
fallow violet
literally when i came here and said are prot war still awful a simple yes wouldve been fine instead of ramming your tongue up prot war when we both know they are bad
amber herald
troll
digital nova
they're fine?
hot zealot
@sick sentinel Thank you !
fervent pawn
literally when i came here and said are prot war still awful a simple yes wouldv...
So are you asking if they're bad or telling us they are
chilly brook
literally when i came here and said are prot war still awful a simple yes wouldv...
They're not awful tho????
fervent pawn
So why answer your own question in the same sentence
chilly brook
Prot is definitely the worst m+ tank
Blood is technically worse, it's just more popular
but ok
signal plover
Beeg trolls in here tonight
chilly brook
Actually not even technically
fervent pawn
Actually 2head
chilly brook
And I guess disregard Lightee when he says he would rather be a prot warrior in M+ than a monk
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
limpid pawn
for the third boss in necrotic wake
do you guys go with the 3 hook strategy with one abomb?
and is there a possibility for spawning a second abombination that way?
or if you land all 3 hooks you're good
amber herald
what's the 3 hook strategy?
glacial skiff
untold moth
Does prot get more spammy with higher haste etc? Wanting to level it as an alt tank for mythic but I am not enjoying the 2-3s of down time when I'm used to spamming devastate lol.
vestal moat
i am 218 with 27% haste and there are still frequent downtimes
maybe not frequent. but noticeable.
untold moth
My r key is my spam button on my toons for w/e my filler is. Maybe I'll just bind shield slam to it lmao
hot zealot
Whatโs the best covenant for m+?
deft sapphire
You will always have downtime with devastator but I donโt think itโs that bad
untold moth
I figured haste would close a bit of the gap. I just like to be spamming a button :/
untold moth
Ik, but I meant zero down time type spammy
Like annoying spammy
Hurt your fingers type spam
unkempt ruin
is it still possible to play unstoppable force/anger management in M+ just because I enjoy it, or am I trolling? +thunderlord leggo
jovial crane
Looking through some logs for mythic sludgefist and I noticed some people are using SR at various points in the encounter, I canโt find any reason for people to do this as far as I knew nothing was reflectable and the whole fight was physical damage - is there some hidden strat I donโt know about? ๐คทโโ๏ธ
tired cove
@ionic fern did you switch to draven for tanking ?
next burrow
Hey guys, has anyone tried vitality sacrifice? I just read the messages too, and i have been prot since wotlk, now tanking in 10+ is stressful cause there are periods of downtime that i am struggling at 20% hp
if there is no cd before a big pull i die instantly, i am using " the wall" as a legendary and i maximise my shield block uptime
heavy sail
Going back and forth from BrM and Prot feels so bad lmao
Not having buttons to press is a bummer
No vitality sacrifice is quite bad
Thunderlords is probably a preferable defensive and offensive in M+
next burrow
Ok thanks for the update about vitality sacrifice
i am building thunderlords today
get that soul ashhh
heavy sail
Cheers, itโs a great legendary for M+.
heavy sail
Could be worse.
next burrow
true
last mason
after u hit duelist in ranked, can u just do rated in another category to preserve ur rating
for the vault
tight flint
should i be vers enchants for M+
hot zealot
Haste!
smoky sparrow
he Necrotic Wake
Harmful effects of Necrotic Bolt reduced by 40% when cast by non-boss enemies
tight flint
does the pawn addon actually work
for tanking
it's having me take crit vers over haste vers
+2 str
dusky mica
BrM damage mostly comes from the keg smash lego
Without it they're on par or worse than warrior
distant socket
Once again, we're the undesirable tank of the start of an expo
Makes me sad getting rejected over and over for m_
heavy sail
Charred passions is also good @dusky mica
dusky mica
They need to buff tclap and put deep wound application back onto it.
tight flint
how do i SIm stuff for tanking
heavy sail
But I mean the legendary is part of the class design, thatโs just how it be.
tight flint
SIM
dusky mica
Revenge can lose DW and they can revert the dumb 3ppm nonsense on it
heavy sail
You canโt really sim tankability because thereโs a ton of variables.
So far as I know, anyway.
But if youโre looking for survivability, canโt go wrong with vers/absorbs and mainstats
tight flint
what is haste for then
solemn magnet
Auto attacking
heavy sail
Haste speeds up everything and increases your DPS/rage gen and uptime on defensives
tight flint
i got 21% haste and 9% vers ilvl 195
heavy sail
Thatโs a pretty good spot to be at.
tight flint
ok awesome
heavy sail
The general priority for gear is
Socket > Item Level > Haste > Versatility > Critical Strike = Mastery > Strength
solemn magnet
Id say primary stats > haste
sacred roost
For Night Fae, both wowhead and Icy-viens seem to recommend a different conduit person (niya vs dreamweaver) who should I be using, and what's the optimal setup?
I'm thinkking about changing to Kyrian this week
solemn magnet
People here will tell you to follow icy veins
heavy sail
Not sure, I donโt play NF, Iโd just follow the wowhead recommendations
tight flint
we got general draven this week. 10% less damage under 40%
heavy sail
Yeah, dope for Venthyr.
I couldnโt imagine life without my phial though
And spear of bastion is qualify of life
royal marten
phial is hard to give up
cinder nova
On a scale of 1 to scumbag how scummy is it for me to run AM and Rav on Council while stacking 'em?
Or do you think I'll get more out of ITF?
gray spear
did they hotfixed Sanguine Depth and you are not able to skip 2nd boss anymore?
cinder nova
Probably. Blizzard has a track record of wanting you to have fun the way they want you to.
lavish oracle
Anyone fucked around with the Queenguard's Vigil?
chilly brook
we got general draven this week. 10% less damage under 40%
If you're under 40 you're probably dead
Or about to bounce up and stabilize
chilly brook
For Night Fae, both wowhead and Icy-viens seem to recommend a different conduit ...
Niya, 1x potency, 1x finesse, 2x endurance
ionic fern
<@!238357283996696576> did you switch to draven for tanking ?
No.
fallow mortar
aren't you firmly kyrian?
cinder nova
What's so special about Draven?
cinder nova
Mneh?
potent anvil
Its a weaker version of BDK's will of the necropolis. Its not too impactful though.
orchid frigate
any way to deal with that fire debuff in thorghast that makes the run smoother?
mighty valley
I think you can pokeball one of the forge enemies for a fire resist buff?
flat bramble
@orchid frigate i tend to just rusj and max use of CD and Victory rush a lot
you best bet it to run pack to pack and victory rush until you have very good def or healing via anima
done the t8 at ilevel 170 the first time
i were sweating ๐
orchid frigate
i depleted a solo run last time and then teamed up with a healer. got no good anime that time ๐ฆ
grand drum
@orchid frigate get a red orb and throw it at a flametender
cinder nova
any way to deal with that fire debuff in thorghast that makes the run smoother?
Victory R U S H
I dunno, I sorta just cruised through layer 8 despite it.
azure imp
get a ravenous cell, use it on any of the flame adds - gives -65% fire damage
orchid frigate
๐ค
azure imp
makes it easy pz
cinder nova
Shouldn't be necessary, though.
Unless you're basically a fresh 60 with no gear
You should be able to do 8 of any kind
But yeah if you wanna just ignore the mechanic, that could do it for you.
versed bough
Whats the best defensive trinket?
sweet summit
Blood splattered scale
fringe marten
Hmmm....anyone messed with this Misfiring Centurion controller trinket? I just got it from WQ today, and tested on dummy for 4 mins with it. just barely under 40% uptime on it..That's actually pretty solid?
Too bad it's 'main stat' is crit..
I dunno if it's going to replace anything, but that's still not a shabby trink.
narrow sparrow
What is the actual up time of shield wall with The Wall and AM?
fringe marten
that was another thing I just tested in that 4 mins on the dummy
I engaged and popped shield wall insta.
sorry.. 3 mins 39 sec.
in those 3 mins 39 sec, I got 33 seconds of shield wall..(so says details) and after the last shield wall expired is when I leaped away to stop combat.
15% uptime
I still wonder how I got 33 seconds of shield wall? lol..details is wonky. I can only have 32 seconds from 4 hits of it.
Unless it stopped combat the moment I left the dummy? (I don't think so?) I lept after the 8 sec was up.
So using it on cooldown, immediately upon engaging...I got 4 shield walls up in 3 mins 39 seconds.