protection

[jagged pier]

🤔

[sturdy trench]

we can change the world!

[undone jacinth]

It’s decent, does decent damage

probably the best option if you’re used to doing higher keys

[ebon plank]

can signet proc bladestorm when you use avatar? and if so, does bladestorm prevent some damage mitigation, i.e. blocking?

in case I havent talented for ravager

[jagged pier]

it does and you can block/ use defensives on bladestorm

and rav dont proc it

but it is our best talent for m+

[lofty widget]

does UF or ITF outperform ravager for single target fights, or is it still the go-to?

[jagged pier]

ITF does in ST

and you can use it in m+ if you want

UF is completely dead

you should never spec it

[lofty widget]

aight cheers

[strong forum]

It's not good, but if you have nothing else it's still fine

[soft flower]

Nomeratur, do you use 2 potency conduits or some other combination for m+?

or

other people too

[lofty widget]

im playing piercing verdict, unnerving focus and show of force for m+, pelagos soulbind

[wheat sleet]

I use 1 potency, 2 endurance

same as chimmichang except stalwart guardian instead of piercing verdict

since im not kyrian

[soft flower]

Cheers

[strong forum]

2e 1p

[sterile moss]

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spell=335226/iron-maiden

😦

[jagged pier]

yep

[sterile moss]

Blizz's slap in the face to us

[jagged pier]

tbf at high ranks though it would have been busted

pretty much 100% block

[undone jacinth]

guess they realised revenge is a thing now

or the thing

[umbral coral]

heal

[potent dagger]

hey bois i got some issues while tankin, getting hits like crazy and dont know why, would any1 mind to check the log?

[jagged pier]

i can try take a look

[potent dagger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DRya6B2Nwz7J4HF1 thank you in advance

[jagged pier]

it looks like you not using

SB

at all

[potent dagger]

SB? im kinda confused with the english names

[jagged pier]

and u didnt cast last stand even though your running bolster

[potent dagger]

and shortcuts

[jagged pier]

shield block

[potent dagger]

oh

[jagged pier]

and you cast SW once

when your wearing the wall

u can get like 3 casts of it in

shield block is our main mitigation not IP

ignore pain

you only blocked 18% of the hits on you

[potent dagger]

man ur my hero

[ebon hound]

Bruh, you're tanking raw

Like Jakey said

[jagged pier]

do u not understnad how the boss works?

[crisp dragon]

Going in hard no lube or foreplay just smashing the ass with nothing but brute force

That's what I like

[strong forum]

"Classic tanking in retail?! Public experiment gone sexual gone wrong (not clickbait)"

[ebon hound]

[potent dagger]

seems like im doin major things wrong....

[jagged pier]

yes

very

[crisp dragon]

I mean that means you can improve on everything which is good

[ebon hound]

Just press Shield Block when things are hitting you 👍

[jagged pier]

your not even casting last stand which means bolster is a dead talent

[crisp dragon]

He has to understand block before bolster

It's that rudimentary

[potent dagger]

ok bois thank you so much now i can start improving

[strong forum]

Absolutely.

[jagged pier]

and the one cast of SW as well with the wall leggo it brings the cd of SW down to 1:30 mins

[potent dagger]

seems like im an absolut idiot at all

[jagged pier]

in general you use last stand or Shield wall

to fill the gabs in your shield bolck

[strong forum]

You need to manage your shield block uptime, as soon as a target is hitting you with its fists or weapon you should have shieldblock up

You don't use it

At all

[jagged pier]

but you do have some down time on sldgefist

[potent dagger]

thank you all very much

[strong forum]

I recommend reading the icy veins guide as a start point

[potent dagger]

im gonna start looking over it and start using my spells

[strong forum]

Seeing as you are at the basics

[jagged pier]

we are 100% premetive to damage so u need to plan whats gunna reduce damage intake as we dont heal anything back

but yes read the icy veins guide

very good starting point

[crisp dragon]

I'm not gonna lie we do heal nicely with ignore pain plus the talent

Not as much as others, but I do call myself the holy warrior

[jagged pier]

yes but my point is BDK or Monk or druid or paladin or VDH all like can take a chunk of damage

then just heal it back themselves

[crisp dragon]

Yeah, we ain't that lucky, if you ain't ready, you're often just screwes

[jagged pier]

we cant do that we get nice small increments of healing which is nothing to snuff at

[crisp dragon]

Yeah I kinda use my ip before the big hit comes which leaves me with nothing but 0 rage after

But i do think it will scale nicely with hear

Gear*

[potent dagger]

do we pre pot at all? and if so which one we use? same goes for oil, we go for shadowcore or the healing one?

[jagged pier]

healing and damage pots are on different cds

[crisp dragon]

I would just go for strength but Phantok fire is good for st

[jagged pier]

strength pot is usually the best pot

[astral crystal]

phantom fire is pretty good

for st as noted above

[potent dagger]

together with shadowcore oil then on weap?

[astral crystal]

yeah

[crisp dragon]

Jakey, what do you mean they run on seperate CD's?

So can we also use a healing potion? :pog:

[jagged pier]

yes

[astral crystal]

yeah, kyrian pot/health pot/dmg pot are all on different CDs

[jagged pier]

damage pots have a differnt cd to the healing pot

[astral crystal]

on their own CDs i should say

[jagged pier]

and kyrian pot HS and healing pot are all seperate as well

[astral crystal]

and warlock stone

[crisp dragon]

Ah of course that's what you meant

Yeha it's really nice with 3 healing items

It's straight up combined 70k healing

[potent dagger]

do we still go for: max ilvl > haste> vers?

[strong forum]

Yes

[jagged pier]

yes

[potent dagger]

nice perfakt thank you

[carmine ore]

is Sanguine Vintage any good?

[jagged pier]

yep

[carmine ore]

coolies thanks

[fierce tendon]

Gluttonous spike p bad or p good btw, see a lot of ppl using it

[restive flax]

I didnt feel its impact when I used it. Didnt like it

[fierce tendon]

Yeah I changed my 207 sv for 213 spike and it felt garbage, probably only gonna use spike for m+

[astral crystal]

it's pretty trash

[strong forum]

Alot of people use it cuz it's an easy trinket to get on good ilvl

[restive flax]

its basically a worse version of the ToP trinket

[strong forum]

(you know loot is bad when heroic loot is good ilvl)

[fierce tendon]

lol

our mythic shriekwing kills have only produced cloaks

feelsbadman.jpg

[restive flax]

[astral crystal]

they need to go back to the nyalotha loot model

frontload good gear

[restive flax]

new meta, they just completely unloaded gear from the raid entirely

[fierce tendon]

It just sucks that the only upgrades I've gotten week after week from vault

Is from vault**

[strong forum]

Yip same

[astral crystal]

that's gonna be the standard for a while

i think i've only gotten like 3 pieces of raid stuff

[strong forum]

Like, raidloot is shit unless you're in a top end guild

[modern brook]

imagine getting an upgrade from the vault

[fierce tendon]

feels like doing raid is just a huge waste of time

[modern brook]

3 weeks in a row all 6 of my options were down grades

[restive flax]

Well I keep getting shield upgrades so I cant complain

[strong forum]

This

[restive flax]

Some of the fights are kinda fun though

[astral crystal]

what do you mean just kill bosses

[restive flax]

But overall the raid is kinda meh

[astral crystal]

that's FUN tbh

[modern brook]

the raid is fun af

[strong forum]

Na i raid for loot

[tardy parcel]

yeah i love this raid lol

[modern brook]

idt theres any "bad" fights

[restive flax]

unfun =/= bad

[fierce tendon]

I think the worst fight is like hungering but they're all pretty good

[strong forum]

Sunking is pretty bad

[astral crystal]

stone legion mythic is apparently the shittiest fight

[strong forum]

And yeah, slg mythic is terrible

[restive flax]

I mean its kinda funny that its just a priority list and sorta impossible to track 😄

[tardy parcel]

wat. I think I just need some clarification on what's not well-done about the raid then, if you consider it fun lol

[strong forum]

I love hungering

Tbh

[restive flax]

When I say that I dont like to play certain bossfights because theyre no fun it doesnt necessarily mean that theyre bad fights

just boring

[astral crystal]

sun king mythic was pretty fun, it's a very sweet, short, simple fight

feels like a prlonged trash pull

[fierce tendon]

Healer fight lulw

[astral crystal]

there's 0 tank damage

you just kinda chill

[tardy parcel]

Ah, I gotcha now. I was misunderstanding - I thought you were saying you considered it a fun raid, but something was poor about it mechanically lol

[restive flax]

For example Inerva as a tank is ResidentSleeper

[astral crystal]

there's more tank dam on mythic inerva

[tardy parcel]

you mean you don't like staring at "red colors: the fight" for several minutes?

[amber herald]

always the try to spell reflect the big bomb game

[restive flax]

tank damage doesnt make a boss more fun?

[fierce tendon]

only thing they need to fix is when both my ret pallies pop ashen hollow on denathrius and I can't see Massacre or the red circlies for like 10 seconds

[astral crystal]

i didnt imply that was the case

just sayin

[undone jacinth]

this is actually a problem

[astral crystal]

it's a little more involved

[tardy parcel]

dude yes. I think my only major issue with this expansion from a functionality standpoint is that it is absurdly hard to see stuff sometimes because of all the nonsense players can drop now

[undone jacinth]

it’s so true, 20 ppl plus 4 mobs plus red room plus covenant abilities, amz and 3 different red mechanics

[fierce tendon]

if anything they just need to have more clear raid damage effects, I think swirlies are the worst because they have an ambiguous border

[dry cairn]

spell density can be reduced, i usually keep it at Fair or Good

[astral crystal]

i just keep inerva slightly out of the red circles to watch out for the mirror images

[undone jacinth]

yeah swirl border is annoying

[astral crystal]

back towards the circles obv

since they seem to spawn behind you more often than not

[fierce tendon]

Like on sludgefist the ceiling fall can hit you even if your character model is completely out of swirl effect

[undone jacinth]

yeah and when it spawns inside rhe destroyed pillar or whatever

under 10 people

[fierce tendon]

Yep lmfao

[frail saffron]

is general draven soulbind bis?

[strong forum]

for tanks, if youre venthyr, yes

[frail saffron]

budget prot warr

[strong forum]

almost overpowered

[frail saffron]

stalward and unerving?

[strong forum]

yuh

[frail saffron]

good man

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/OiSfLDd.png

okay im gaming

[uneven mason]

A shield finaly showed up in the vault for me lastnight

the 200ilvl unrated PVP shield

😡

literally what I was wearing

[fierce tendon]

Just hit 1800 rating

[uneven mason]

yeah I need to get off my butt and do more arena

been busy rebuilding the guild tho ><>

[open monolith]

@strong forum You can't change any gear with strength on it now

[lunar perch]

maximum gamer energy

[modern brook]

g a m e r

[vocal carbon]

I need some prot opinions if you're up for it ladies, gentlemen and anyone hovering outside of those labels.

[jagged pier]

shoot

[heavy sail]

Go for it

[vocal carbon]

Another tank in my heroic guild (a monk) has ben pawing through my logs looking at my healing done and mitigation. He's taking issue with the amount of healing done I'm doing. Which are admittedly grey parses for ilevel

As you've all already worked out: Ya girl spams revenge over ignore pain unless in actual danger.

[heavy sail]

Your healing done parse is irrelevant, if the content is being cleared and cleared effectively it’s a metric that’s meaningless

[jagged pier]

so whats the problem?

[heavy sail]

Damage dealt and mitigated is of course more relevant

[jagged pier]

we also dont heal unless u count indom IP healing is irrelevant

we use it for further mitigation not healing

[heavy sail]

Right.

That’s just a failure of understanding by your monk friend on how Prot plays

Sounds like.

[vocal carbon]

I use it more on fights where I'm getting chunked

[heavy sail]

Unless it’s absolutely necessary for survival, pumping out revenge to dump your rage is more desirable than having IP up.

[vocal carbon]

That's a relief.

[heavy sail]

There is such a thing as too much

[vocal carbon]

I figured I should at least get community opinion rather than just assuming I'm right

[heavy sail]

No you’re right.

[strong forum]

thats 1 point

however theres also an underuse of ignore pain possible

and thus wasting rage

[heavy sail]

100%

[strong forum]

keep that in mind

[heavy sail]

It’s a balance

[strong forum]

just because someone is not using IP often, doesnt mean theyre spending it on revenge either

that being said, healing is not a relevant metric

[steep quarry]

hey, at how much itemlevel you guys value ring ilvl over stats?

[vocal carbon]

I#m not dying and healers are telling me it's easy to heal me

[strong forum]

10-15 @steep quarry

can you shoot us a log?

[heavy sail]

Then what’s the problem

[steep quarry]

high*

[heavy sail]

Sounds like you’re being a gamer

[fierce tendon]

Ring stats are way more important than ilvl most of the time

having the right stats is better

[jagged pier]

i mean from earlier weve seen you can get to sludgefist without pressing SB

[vocal carbon]

Thanks guys~

[uneven mason]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[fierce tendon]

Wait so you'd argue a 226 mast crit over a 213 haste vers?

Cause I'd take the 213 every day

[heavy sail]

In any case I would just sim it for DPS beforehand

[steep quarry]

200 haste/versa vs. 213 haste/crit vs. 223 crit/mastery vs. 220 vers/mastery (first named stat is the bigger one) choose one

[heavy sail]

Because you can never be too sure

[fierce tendon]

either the 220 vers mast or 200 vers haste based on sims yes

probs the 220

[steep quarry]

fu**ng 4 rings in my weekly chest hate my life >_> but ty for advice everyone, maybe I will sleep a night over it 😄

[fierce tendon]

jesus

[strong forum]

213 haste crit + 223 crit mastery

easy

[open monolith]

I'm so pumped. I actually got loot yesterday in the raid

[undone jacinth]

Liar

[open monolith]

A 213 cloak and 213 ring :o both upgrades

[undone jacinth]

hol up

2 items

[open monolith]

Bruh. 2 items.

And last week? Also 2 items....

[undone jacinth]

wuh

[open monolith]

BUt i didn't need them so they went to the holy pally

And that's not even a full clear

[undone jacinth]

in the last 3 weeks all I got was a fookin music sheet lmao

[open monolith]

Lol

[undone jacinth]

traded that thing insta

have you killed Denny?

[open monolith]

I think my lowest piece is now my 200 shield... And 171 blood spattered scale L O L E

Aotc? No.

[undone jacinth]

I got scale in my box

major

[open monolith]

I found a group of cool guys who are pretty casual, and we are making our way through it

They are mostly gray and green parses, lol

But I like playing with them so I'm happy to go slow

[undone jacinth]

that’s the way to do it

[open monolith]

Meanwhile I'm ignoring IP and pumping out orange parses.

[undone jacinth]

although grey parsing is a bit questionable

[open monolith]

I'm pretty pissed. 5 out of 6 of my parses last night were orange

[undone jacinth]

have to be eating kfc

[open monolith]

That purple one is glaring at me

[undone jacinth]

pug it

[open monolith]

Pugging darkvein sounds awful

[chilly brook]

RIP

I had a purple instead of an orange on HD because I died

[open monolith]

The entire raid wiped at the very end due to the enragee mechanic, but the mage ice blocked and the remaining dots killed her

[chilly brook]

Because I thought I'd be fine to soak an orb

I wasn't

[open monolith]

You don't just use spell reflect to eat your own orb every time?

[undone jacinth]

oh no

don’t say it

[chilly brook]

Usually I do

[open monolith]

I always make sure to taunt the boss as that mechanic comes out so I can keep him from moving and eat my own orb every time without moving

[undone jacinth]

that guy who didn’t wanna do that might be around

[chilly brook]

But uhhhh apparently we decided not to clear orbs at all lmao

So many orbs

[open monolith]

I also heroic leap into the last tick of consume to ensure that the boss doesn't move

I get triggered when bosses are out of position

[chilly brook]

I get that

On a deep spiritual level

[open monolith]

My co-tank is a brewmaster that uses spinning crane kick on a single target

[undone jacinth]

it’s the worst when the boss moves by himself

[open monolith]

Without the legendary that makes that relevant

[undone jacinth]

when you haven’t moved

[chilly brook]

It does more damage than TP

Even without the legendary

[open monolith]

It's literally not part of their single target rotation without the legendary

[chilly brook]

It does more damage

Not a lot

But it does

[open monolith]

I'm talking about using it in lieu of blackout kick

[tardy parcel]

My guild will likely be moving into hc Sire during our raid block tomorrow - any advice for things to keep an eye out that I might not already be thinking of? we've cleared Normal plenty of times at this point so I'm very familiar with the fight itself

[open monolith]

Like blackout kick will have fewer uses than spinning crane kick in a fight

[jolly thistle]

Like the gargoyles in the first room. I hate them

[chilly brook]

Well uhhh

[undone jacinth]

oh lord

those gargoyles

[chilly brook]

BOK should be on CD

[undone jacinth]

One of them literally moved behind me

while I was watching him

still

[chilly brook]

TP is less damage than SCK but it also give brew CDR

So that's awkward

[open monolith]

@tardy parcel you can 500 iq Hand of Destruction by going though the mirror a few seconds before it goes off so he pulls your raid across the room and you all go through the mirror back to the original spot :)

[sick sentinel]

i only ever very briefly played a monk tank at 120

literal 120 boosted and did some mythic 0's

[chilly brook]

I actually enjoy it currently

[open monolith]

And yeah you use tiger palm over spinning crane kick and single target 100% of the time because of eye of the tiger healing up time as well as brew cool down reduction

[chilly brook]

It's a good alt

[sick sentinel]

i don't understand stagger at all

so then i die

[open monolith]

Unless you have that one legendary... Charred passions

[chilly brook]

Its not difficult to understand

You take damage

It goes into stagger

Purify

[open monolith]

Yogi always takes a little longer to catch on ;)

He's our special guy

[chilly brook]

Like in actuality you'd be fine to hit purifying brew on CD

Probably wouldn't be "optimal" but it'll do the job

[sick sentinel]

i just don't understand monk tank

it's too much for my feeble mind

[undone jacinth]

you take damage as a dot instead of as damage

[chilly brook]

I've been there

When I started playing monk in WoD

[undone jacinth]

and you can get rid of some of the dot and heal yourself too

[jagged pier]

stagger is damage youve taken it gets put into a dot that you take over time, but that damage can be purified away so u actually never take it

[chilly brook]

Where you have an issue with understanding it is you overthink it

At least that's why I had issues

[sick sentinel]

DH dps is dead though i think right

[undone jacinth]

and if has the nicest coloured action bars

[tardy parcel]

holy shit lmao

my guild might think i'm actually a wizard

[open monolith]

Your timing has to be perfect

But it's doable

[sick sentinel]

just create a WA and share it, tell them what they/you are attempting

[undone jacinth]

you don’t really want that though

you wanna run through and back again

in some scenarios

to bait the impales

[chilly brook]

3 pulls on donny with everyone there and it goes to a 3% wipe last night

I was actually amazed

[undone jacinth]

think everyone is getting that ilvl juice now to where it’s getting a easier

but it’s cool that it took this much gear before it’s commonly cleared

if generals didn’t exist this tier would be pretty perfect

[subtle oak]

Is it worth sacrificing the haste/vers for 3ilvl weap?

[undone jacinth]

Meh what are your other options

oh you just looted it nvm

[outer solstice]

that's 1 strength ...

[lofty widget]

i'd say it's not worth, weapon dps far outweighs any secondaries

but i mi ght just be feelycrafting

[outer solstice]

yeah feelycrating on it as well

[undone jacinth]

It’s not gonna make enough difference to matter

just equip for higher ilvl epeen

[outer solstice]

I upgraded a 184 to a 220 weapon today,... even that difference is not really big

[lofty widget]

the difference will be very small whatver you pick, so if you prefer having more haste or whatever, just go with that

[misty tartan]

223 shield in the cache, haste mastery, nice nice 🙂

[outer solstice]

nice

can i haz plz?

[naive swan]

Anyone tried mikanikos as a soulbind yet? Is he worth?

[north rampart]

so is stacking crit the way to go for m+?

well haste primary, crit secondary*

[lofty widget]

ilvl>haste=vers, then crit msatery

[outer solstice]

I think versa will be king again when we can get enough

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste > vers/crit > mastery

vers will only be king if you can stack 60%

which will never happen again

vers will never be more or equally important to haste for current pwar

[outer solstice]

yeah haste is bae

but for 2nd I think it'll pull ahead of crit, but we'll see

[undone jacinth]

real men go mastery

[north rampart]

had a high crit war doing nice damage in a key earlier, wondering how much dps versa adds vs crit

[chilly brook]

A lot of people liked it in m+ last xpac, it could definitely be an option especially during necrotic weeks

[strong forum]

vers adds less damage than crit

mastery + haste/crit is max damage

[chilly brook]

Honestly most of your damage in a key is gonna be less to your stats and more around how much you can pump revenge

[north rampart]

i am plenty of versa (pvp gear pushing up my ilvl to get invites :D)

[outer solstice]

PvP gear is really good

don't undererstimate it

[north rampart]

wait mastery is good for damage?

[strong forum]

yes

[chilly brook]

Sims best actually

[open monolith]

The best way to pump hard in m+ is to beg your shamans for earth ele and boomies for trees

[outer solstice]

flat AP %

[open monolith]

Basicslly, don't actually tank

[undone jacinth]

by like 2x xd

3 boomies and a resto sham, the only way to play

[open monolith]

Haste vers is the "i wanna live" route
Haste mastery is "i wanna pump and live"
Mastery crit is "fuck living i wanna PUMP"

[north rampart]

cool, was thinking if i go fury for dps i will stack haste and mastery, arms haste and crit.

[undone jacinth]

yeah I do the same

[chilly brook]

A pumping set imho is something that I wouldn't focus on until you have a good regular set but then again it doesn't matter since it's really what you get is what you get rn

[north rampart]

haste not to important for pumping? i just want to top DH on damage meters to impress my guildies on low keys

[chilly brook]

Haste is mainly important for survival

[open monolith]

Haste is still king in most situations

[undone jacinth]

dpsing without haste is for bums

[chilly brook]

It's still good for DPS just much less than crit and mastery

You're also likely not going to sacrifice enough haste to where you're hamstringing yourself

[north rampart]

i think i will be heading into sidegrade territory soon on some slots, so be know what to focus on to build up a pumping set

[undone jacinth]

can just use sims for the most part

[north rampart]

yea i have so much haste because all 3 specs use it that i will nevel be low haste

[undone jacinth]

playing with low haste just isn’t a thing anyone should suffer through

even if it’s good on paper

[open monolith]

Yeah don't intentionally drop haste

As much as this fun to say we want to pump

Haste is way too good for survivability

[undone jacinth]

it’s too good for fun tbh

[open monolith]

Always focus on haste, and then choose your secondary stat accordingly

[undone jacinth]

gcds are ugly

[north rampart]

master increases block and critical block right? Any big brain theory crafters know if it is good for sludgefist? I am thinking of making a haste mastery set for fury anyway you see.

[outer solstice]

and AP

[open monolith]

So like... When my guild is green parsing, but also they have 99% active uptime.... That just means they are repeatedly pressing the wrong buttons right? Lol

[outer solstice]

and no haste is still better for survival

[undone jacinth]

it’s the same in sludge as anything really

[outer solstice]

@open monolith no, it might be a tactic with a lot of movement

[strong forum]

mastery increases block chance incredibly minimal

outside of SB

30% mastery is only 10% natural block chance

[north rampart]

feels bad man

[outer solstice]

better have more haste for more SB uptime

[tepid barn]

Hey guys, hows plaguefall in m+ this week?

[outer solstice]

cancer like every week of tyrannical

[open monolith]

It's tyrannical

So.. cancer

[undone jacinth]

fine for you though

just not your healer

[open monolith]

Tyrannical is easy for tanks

Tyrannical is a DPS and heal check

Fortified is a tank and DPS check

[tepid barn]

gotcha, was gonna try to boost my IO later today

[undone jacinth]

when ur on the 2nd pack in DOS and ur guildies say ‘shit I’m still in single target build’

[chilly brook]

Tyrannical can suck tbh

[open monolith]

Explosive is also a pain in the ass. Easy, but a super duper pain in the ass

[valid zodiac]

So I was just brain storming about explosive affix and I'm wondering, in Theater of pain those green souls... do you think pulling all and dragging to gates might not be viable now because they will spawn orbs while we run?

[open monolith]

It can also become difficult on certain bosses

[chilly brook]

Some of the overlaps on last boss of ToP is painful as a tank

But generally Tyrannical is fine for you

[outer solstice]

yeah but you can spellreflect the scthe

[undone jacinth]

you can los the orbs can’t you

[open monolith]

I use all my cooldowns on the first pack of DOS, then I skip the second pack and come back to it after clearing the rest of that first area

[chilly brook]

Yes but SR has a CD

[open monolith]

That way my cooldowns are back up

[chilly brook]

[undone jacinth]

you can SR every top overlap

[outer solstice]

you can get every 2nd ^^

[undone jacinth]

warr has the easiest time on that fight

[outer solstice]

and yeah always use it for the overlap

[chilly brook]

But my DPS from reflect means I have to use it as soon as I can when a scythe is coming overlap or not

/s

[outer solstice]

yesyes

[open monolith]

Hey I definitely know what overlap means in this context

But for everyone else who doesn't understand, can you explain?

:)

[undone jacinth]

well you have a 50% chance of doing the same dps overalls

[outer solstice]

2 bad things happening at once

[chilly brook]

Scythe with other mechanics=bad news because healer probably is too focused on everything else

[open monolith]

Oh overlapping mechanics

[undone jacinth]

last boss sucks you in, spawns adds, does ghosts and scythes you at the same time

[open monolith]

Yeah I only use shield reflect when there's like three things going on for reaping scythe

[outer solstice]

and that MF scythe hurts at

[undone jacinth]

that’s the worst overlap

[outer solstice]

af

[chilly brook]

It's literally like 28k spell damage on top of the physical hit

Its nuts

[outer solstice]

@undone jacinth I think that depends on your DPS, when you push him to 50% changes the pattern of the abilities a lot

[open monolith]

TF when you have 39 rage, everything is on CD, shield block is down, IP is empty, and you see reaping scythe being cast.

[undone jacinth]

that’s the worst one you can get though

regardless of timing

[chilly brook]

I hate to say it but I've been there

[strong forum]

well you always hold SR there

always

[sweet summit]

Belf racial

[strong forum]

for scythe

[sweet summit]

Ip

[strong forum]

never for anything else

[sweet summit]

[undone jacinth]

yeah that’s what we were saying

[open monolith]

There are more scythes than there are spell reflects, silly

Sometimes you get caught with your pants down

[outer solstice]

you can SR every 2nd

[strong forum]

ye but like 80% you can reflect

sometimes spell qing

[open monolith]

It's more like 50%

[chilly brook]

Ye the convo was that there can be nasty overlaps with the scythes

[strong forum]

saves you

[chilly brook]

And that's when its dangerous

[undone jacinth]

you just reflect every other and you will get every bad overlap

[open monolith]

I'm guessing it depends heavily on your group DPS pushing her

[outer solstice]

yeah it can be major, liek getting the beam just before 50%

[jolly thistle]

I wouldn’t rely on SR if there are small caster adds up too

[open monolith]

But if the first phase lasts too long I will often get two reaping scythes before spell reflect comes back up

[undone jacinth]

you have to rely on SR

and you can time it every time

[chilly brook]

SR is off the GCD you can wait to cast until right before her cast goes off

[open monolith]

@jolly thistle go do a plus 15 theater of pain and eat a reaping scythe, and then tell me not to rely on spell reflect

[chilly brook]

She trucks on 15

[jolly thistle]

did already

[outer solstice]

don't use SR on the first though

[jolly thistle]

I keep wall and trinket for that

[undone jacinth]

I mean you just SR lol

[open monolith]

What else would you use Spell reflect for?

Like I don't understand the point you're trying to make

[jolly thistle]

talking overlaps specifically

[open monolith]

"just don't rely on your ability that completely negates the mechanic"

[undone jacinth]

it’s the best time to use wall as well, but you always SR the overlap scythe

[chilly brook]

And does huge damage to the boss

[outer solstice]

you use it agaisnt the scythe

[open monolith]

Oh does it actually reflect? I figure it was just a deflect

[jolly thistle]

If a cast goes off at the same time you’re dead

[outer solstice]

but not a simple sythe but one with an overlap

nah it's a full reflect

[chilly brook]

Yea it reflects

[open monolith]

Nice

[chilly brook]

It's big dam

[jagged pier]

[undone jacinth]

you can time it every time

it’s not hard

[open monolith]

Honestly I just wish the AOE circles were a little smaller on that fight so that adds could be grouped up a little better

[undone jacinth]

if you’re worried about a mob cast just stun it, fear it, or double reflect it

[chilly brook]

Yuuuuuge damage

[open monolith]

Lol i guess I've never checked details after that fight

[undone jacinth]

it’s one of the last survivors

[chilly brook]

And that was fort week I think

[valid zodiac]

So this week if we want to craft another lego its still rank 3 max? Only next week we can have double rank 4?

[outer solstice]

I could have double R4

but I finished like every single soul ash mission table mission

R4 wall, R2 signet, Rank 1 thunderlords and R1 deathmaker here ^^

[sick sentinel]

i have r4 TL and 190 TW, but i have all the parts ready for 210 and other slots when i want them

[valid zodiac]

I got every soul ash mission and as far as I know I have done every soul ash torghast and that puts me at 4.5k soul ash so i'm missing like 600 for rank 4

[chilly brook]

Rank 4 Wall and rank 1 TL here

[open monolith]

@valid zodiac right

[chilly brook]

Could be Rank 4 and rank 2

[sick sentinel]

maxed out gloves tuesday

[chilly brook]

But I neglected a wing of Torghast last week

And I also didn't play the warrior for like 3 weeks at the start of the xpac because I gave BDK a shot

[open monolith]

Can't wait to have the wall.

Been raiding with TL the whole time

[chilly brook]

Oof

[sick sentinel]

i've been wanting to focus on M+, they gave me a weapon good one, but not the stats i wanted at all

[open monolith]

I rushed rank four Thunderlord

It's not like it's been bad, my DPS is good in heroic

And my survivability has never once been an issue

[outer solstice]

yeah but for bosses like huntsman it's insane

especially on barghast duty

[azure flint]

Ran 13 DoS and the shadowcores hit for 34k. Anyone got advice on those first few pulls?

[undone jacinth]

it’s good on lots of fights

even sire

[open monolith]

I'm always on hound duty

[outer solstice]

can't the shadowcore be kicked?

[open monolith]

Mostly because I don't trust the other tank

[undone jacinth]

just sucks for sludge in particular

[chilly brook]

Shadowcore is a kick

You should kick it

As the tank

[azure flint]

Yea it can but I can’t kick them all

[chilly brook]

Have everyone else kick scribe

You should be able to

[azure flint]

Do you guys save CDs for the second pack?

[undone jacinth]

ya

[sick sentinel]

whenever i was in LFR i was always on the main boss for huntsmaster, but thats lfr

[open monolith]

@azure flint use cooldowns on the first pack, then skip the second pack and clear to the second platform, then come back to the second pack when you're cooldowns are up

[outer solstice]

lfr is a joke ^^

[open monolith]

This gives you perfect prideful timing as well

[undone jacinth]

you can avoid using wall on the first pack

[sick sentinel]

its the way i learned it is what im saying, so it's what i will remember when i do it with a guild or group

[chilly brook]

That's what I do as well

[undone jacinth]

if you play it clean

[chilly brook]

Double pull first two lust it, use CDs

[azure flint]

Do you need to stealth around 2nd platform?

[open monolith]

@undone jacinth I prefer to do it this way because it also helps with DPS cooldowns being used on the first pack and being available for the second later

[chilly brook]

Skip second

[open monolith]

@azure flint no just walk to the left

[chilly brook]

Come back

[azure flint]

Gotcha that sounds like a really good path

Thanks guys

[undone jacinth]

I used to do it that way too but it makes pride awkward

[open monolith]

You should get prideful after clearing the second pack, and prideful right before hakkar

That's not awkward, it's perfect

[chilly brook]

It's not awkward at all lmao

[undone jacinth]

you will get pride before the end of the pack

[azure flint]

Yea I didn’t think to just walk around 2nd platform so was going in there with almost no CDs

[open monolith]

Right

[outer solstice]

@open monolith regarding wall, I got 5 casts in in a 6minutes and a bit huntsman, and had 2 of those on rip soul (we only had 4 rip soul)

[chilly brook]

You get prideful on all bosses that way except for mz

[open monolith]

That ends up being perfect

[vestal moat]

IHoly shit i love this pathing.

[undone jacinth]

you will get prideful before the end of the pack...

[vestal moat]

WHy dont more groups do this

[open monolith]

You use prideful to clear the hakkar hallway

It's like exactly one mob over 20%

So you might get prideful with one mob left

[vestal moat]

i always get so mad at having nothing for second pack.

[astral crystal]

second pack you use group externals and kite, it's not really rocket science

[undone jacinth]

if ur in a high key you don’t want a pride spawning with that big guy alive

[astral crystal]

dont have to skip it

[undone jacinth]

is suicide

[vestal moat]

oh i see

[sick sentinel]

when i time a +7 or whatever, then i will learn how to run pridefuls

[undone jacinth]

you can just save wall and you get the perfect timing after the last raptor

[vestal moat]

I really think i gotta run the Wall for that dungeon then instead of TG. So at least have SW for second pack.

[undone jacinth]

the mobs that do the most dmg to you are also kiteable

[sleek thorn]

Don't face tank the spinny bois

[undone jacinth]

different pack

[chilly brook]

You mean the bladestorm?

It does less than their melees

[open monolith]

Honestly that bladestorm hurts less than their bleed

[vestal moat]

Thheres a bleed though isnt there.

[open monolith]

I always tell my group not to interrupt it

[chilly brook]

Their bleed is a different cast

It's not on melee it's a special hit iirc

[open monolith]

Let them bladestorm

[sleek thorn]

Nah, they get big. I usually just run

[open monolith]

It tickles

But also this is tyrannical week

As long as you can kill Hakkar

The dungeon is easy peasy

[chilly brook]

Oh you mean the big dual wielding axe bois?

[sleek thorn]

Ya

[chilly brook]

Just soothe

Soothe/tranq is big

[sleek thorn]

:+1:

[open monolith]

My group is 2x Hunter 1x WW.

Soothes and purges all day

[chilly brook]

That being said sometimes I do have to run in fort when double pulling at the start

[vestal moat]

Is AM mandatory when using the Wall or can we still do Bolster in high fortified keys.

[chilly brook]

But should be fine

Bolster

Even with wall

AM is for dam

Not for tankyness

[vestal moat]

I been running TG for m+ up to 15 but thinking of switching to the wall now.

[open monolith]

AM with Wall and Stalwart Guardian gives shield wall great uptime

🛡️ 🧱

[broken light]

we go ravager bolster right?

[outer solstice]

yeah but bolster is stronk

[open monolith]

Oh I know

[vestal moat]

i think i gotta bolster.

[open monolith]

Ravager is bae

[chilly brook]

Ye but for higher keys bolster is still the way

[outer solstice]

I prefer AM stalwart wall though

[open monolith]

Honestly if you can clear content, use whatever talents you want

If you can clear 15s without bolster, more power to you

[vestal moat]

Is the Wall better for tyrnnaical or fortified or doesnt matter? I'm really going to moss not having Demo up on every pack but i just need more survival.

[open monolith]

GO DRAGON'S ROAR FOR ALL I CARE

(dont)

Demo IS survival :O

It's rage, it's 20% less incoming damage, it's 20% more outgoing damage

[vestal moat]

yeah its so hard to pick and choose and how to spend my ash bc i raid dps also and gotta maintain that.

[open monolith]

Anyone else just.... Never do SD or Spires?

[undone jacinth]

I like spires

[outer solstice]

SD is fine

[undone jacinth]

one of my favourites

[open monolith]

I can't stand Spires.

All because of a couple of the trash packs

[undone jacinth]

only thing bad about it is the particle effects on boss 2

[open monolith]

I like the bosses

[sleek thorn]

Something something alacrity

[undone jacinth]

meh people complain about the pack before 2nd boss but just cc the flying dude

[sleek thorn]

F that guy

[undone jacinth]

is a pretty chill dungeon if people kick

SD however I think I will dodge til next expac

[outer solstice]

why though?

[undone jacinth]

horrible bosses

[open monolith]

SD is cancer

[outer solstice]

the 2nd boss is a bit weird, and you should not forget to grab 1 more pack after that boss

[undone jacinth]

horrible mobs

horrible camera

[chilly brook]

This is me but with PF

[undone jacinth]

horrible gauntlet

[chilly brook]

I dont particularly mind SD tbh

[open monolith]

Literally everything about sanguine depth is horrible

[chilly brook]

Although its gonna be aids this week

Cuz tyrannical

[open monolith]

On high tyrannical keys, you have to kite the first boss around the room making the orbs trail behind him because they deal too much fucking AOE damage

[chilly brook]

And people dont know how to do 2nd boss still

[open monolith]

I mean you don't have to but it makes it easier

[outer solstice]

yeah I know ^^

[open monolith]

Just... Fuck that dungeon

It's like king's rest

But significantly worse in every way

[undone jacinth]

its tol dagor

[outer solstice]

yeah more like that

with the tight areas

[tardy parcel]

i had to run sd a ton a few weeks ago and i got used to it

i like it more than pf and nw

[chilly brook]

^this

[open monolith]

I think PF and NW are more free than most people think

[undone jacinth]

uh

[open monolith]

Except I always end up fucking up prideful timings before stitch flesh

[undone jacinth]

NW

[tardy parcel]

lol

[undone jacinth]

is

the opposite of free

[astral crystal]

plaguefall is very easy, NW not so much

[undone jacinth]

extremely expensive

[chilly brook]

PF is just ass

[tardy parcel]

nw is painful

[open monolith]

I think necrotic wake is pretty easy

[tardy parcel]

plaguefall just sucks

[chilly brook]

Not because of the dungeon itself

[open monolith]

The bosses are all easy, and the hard trash you can skip

[chilly brook]

But because of the fuckinf debuffs

[astral crystal]

you get a lot of free % in PF

[mossy sluice]

nw has the mechagon junkyard aspect too, someone died with the weapons? haha rip

[undone jacinth]

nw is the hardest dungeon probably if u ignore SD first and 2nd bosses

[open monolith]

Just curious, what do you find hard about necrotic wake?

[tardy parcel]

it's less so about pf being hard or easy for that particular dungeon, it just kind of isn't fun to play if that makes sense. slime everywhere to be slowed by, random-ass debuffs

[undone jacinth]

there's just so much that can go wrong

[tardy parcel]

nw is rough though

[undone jacinth]

if someone dies with a weapon

its bad

2nd boss is horrendous

so many bad packs

[fierce tendon]

I heard on sd you can pull executioner into the room with the other boss down the hole

[undone jacinth]

4th boss takes FOREVER

[mossy sluice]

you can

[undone jacinth]

3rd boss is dumb as hell

[astral crystal]

tyrannical weeks amanth is a cancermancer, fort weeks, top floor is cancer without a hunter

[undone jacinth]

3rd boss room is full of trash that obliterates you

[open monolith]

You can skip every single bad pack, and the second boss is actually giga easy if you just.... Do it right and tank him in the right spot

3rd boss room does suck. I admit

[undone jacinth]

yeah its not though

[fierce tendon]

NW's necropolis takes like 12 mins to clear lol

[astral crystal]

amanth is def a toughy

[mossy sluice]

i dont mind NW until after the second boss tbh

[undone jacinth]

the first area I'm fine with

[astral crystal]

you can trivialize by CCing mages but still

[undone jacinth]

everything after that is a shit show

[open monolith]

I used to understand why people think the second boss is hard, but if you have two hard CCs and you tank them in the right spot, that fight is basically free

[undone jacinth]

stuff just always goes wrong

[fierce tendon]

Tbh i think most people don't know if you cc the mob they don't count for the explosion

[chilly brook]

PF?

[undone jacinth]

even if you manage to do it perfectly

[open monolith]

@chilly brook NW

[undone jacinth]

the necropolis awaits you

[chilly brook]

Ah

[undone jacinth]

where u get ur head beat in

[heavy sail]

If your group doesn’t have solid CC the miniboss in NW fucks ass

[mossy sluice]

giving the aboms anti kite mechanics is so stupid

[open monolith]

@heavy sail skip the miniboss, silly.

[tardy parcel]

i just don't understand what dungeon would be considered more 'rough' than necrotic wake at this point

[astral crystal]

never fight the miniboss

[tardy parcel]

there's just so much possibility for error in NW relative to other dungeons imo

[open monolith]

I don't mind the mini boss on tyrannical weeks

But i skip anyway

[astral crystal]

it's just bad % in terms of efficiency

rather do necros

[open monolith]

Yeah.

[astral crystal]

you get a free second orb off asecond necro pack as well

[heavy sail]

I didn’t even know you could skip it, I’ve been killing it all this time

How do I learn this power

[open monolith]

You guys know if you take the second boss to the stairs leading up to his area, and take him near the wall there, the adds will spawn in a much smaller area making them easier to pick up and manage?

And I know you all know about ccing the mages

[tardy parcel]

Stealth pots, Rogue cloak, mind soothe, etc.

[undone jacinth]

I mean yeah you can execute 2nd boss perfectly and you can design a route that gets you there fairly easily assume no body pulls or weird shit happens along the way

[heavy sail]

Oh, well that’s a given, I thought you could skip it by pathing across it

[undone jacinth]

but then hell still awaits you, even after ur done with amarth

[uneven mason]

You can walk around it

the miniboss before bridge

[heavy sail]

How

[open monolith]

The only problem I ever have in the necropolis is prideful timing

[uneven mason]

hug left

[open monolith]

I don't find the trash there particularly difficult

[heavy sail]

It doesn’t pull if you hug left?

[undone jacinth]

alright well

it is difficult lol

that's why the best groups in the world wipe there

[open monolith]

@heavy sail It does pull if you hug left, you need mind soothe to go left, or sap to go right

Or paralysis and ring of peace to bump the right side mob

[heavy sail]

Word

[open monolith]

Sorry I use voice to text on my phone while I'm watching my daughter, so if one of my sentences seems really fucking weird, give me a minute to edit it

[uneven mason]

IDK I'll re test it, we were able to hug left and not get them.

[undone jacinth]

you definitely can't

[north rampart]

how do you do the 2nd boss of necrotic wake?

[undone jacinth]

your priest probably soothed

[uneven mason]

get his HP to 0

[uneven mason]

You're probably right.

[chilly brook]

Like in the corner by the stairs?

[undone jacinth]

where you enter

[open monolith]

@north rampart tank him near the stairs where you enter his arena, all the way to the wall, this will cause the adds to spawn in a smaller area. Then use hard CC, such as freezing trap, blind, paralysis, or shackle undead on the two mage adds. This will cause them to despawn when he casts final harvest and do no damage

Obviously if you don't have two hard CCs, you just have to nuke and interrupt the mages. But it will be easier if you take him in that corner cuz they will spawn closer by

And you should have 2 spears and a hammer for him

So he goes down giga fast

[fierce tendon]

Them frostbolt volleys will almost one shot you on anything higher than a 13 i hate it lmfao

Also what pack do u guys use discharged on if you skip the caster miniboss?

[open monolith]

@fierce tendon use them on the packs in the necropolis

Or on the necromancer before 2nd boss

[north rampart]

thanks save interrupt for when he starts spamming spells after summoing the add right?

[open monolith]

Yeah just interrupt necrotic bolt

[north rampart]

if you interupt a mage can you pull it to the tank to cleave it down? and does fear work for despawning mages?

[open monolith]

I usually get 60% by skipping a few pulls so I get prideful before second-boss, then backtrack to get to 69

Giggity

@north rampart fear does not work

[fierce tendon]

Thats the idea yeah, interrupt and group

The only mob that doesnt groupnis the crossbowman

but cc is much more effective

[north rampart]

pull boss to crosbow man and have an aoe party?

does polymorph work?

[fierce tendon]

i don't know if poly works on undead tbh

I dont think so

[open monolith]

Doesn't work

Pretty sure I listed all of the CC that works

[fierce tendon]

[open monolith]

[chilly brook]

You didnt say imprison tho

[outer solstice]

also soultrap from engies

[open monolith]

For some reason I didn't think imprison could work on undead

I thought about it

Anyway, TL;DR
SD and Spires are cancer tier
NW DOS, TOP, and Plaguefall are medium okayish tier
Halls and Mists are free

[fierce tendon]

I agree with that honestly. Mists has been the most free by far

[open monolith]

Low dps tyrannical 1st boss mists can be rough

But that's it.

But the real truth is that it's only worth doing 4 dungeons for vault

Because the ivl of the gear that drops at the end of the dungeon is shit, and nothing ever drops anyway

Blizzard took their only fun repeatable content and neutered it so that I barely want to play it at all

[undone jacinth]

NW -> SD -> DOS -> Spires/PF -> TOP -> Halls -> Mists

for me

[open monolith]

I want to know your routes and strategies for spiers

[undone jacinth]

its nothing complex

[open monolith]

I want to hate it less, but every time I run it the big trash packs just make me sad

[undone jacinth]

clear start right, full left, skip all steps packs

cc a few flying dudes along the way

spear the big girl

and spear the goliath pack

[open monolith]

You like going left after first boss?

[undone jacinth]

y

[open monolith]

Does not leave you a few percent behind

[undone jacinth]

no

I clear full right

all the dogs and the girl

[open monolith]

Including the stealth kitties on the side

[undone jacinth]

then everything left all the way to 2nd boss

yeah

all 6 cats

and the girl

as 1

then full left everything you can kill up to 2nd boss

[open monolith]

It's usually the pack before the first and second boss that I struggle on

[undone jacinth]

uh

thats a lot of packs

oh you mean

the single pack before each of them

[lofty widget]

cc the praetor in hte pack before 2nd and use first spear on it too, should die relatively fast

[undone jacinth]

yeah

thats what I do

and on the one before first boss, cc the mender or whatever its called

[lofty widget]

if you can live it keeping mender can be big dps increase tho (if you have an offensive purge)

[open monolith]

The bright side about spires is that the timer is extremely forgiving

So you can go slow

[undone jacinth]

exactly

[open monolith]

For final 3 angels, i usually do middle, left, and then right

[sharp crescent]

I like to use the spear on the pack with 7 wyrm and 5 others mobs, on the right side, with prideful, they melt instantly

[turbid lantern]

nice idea @sharp crescent

[chilly brook]

I start right to left

[turbid lantern]

left to right for me 😄

[chilly brook]

Lust the last one every time on fort tho

[sharp crescent]

Yea left to right for me too

[open monolith]

What do you use the second spear on?

[sharp crescent]

Third ass before last boss

[lofty widget]

last miniboss before last boss

[sharp crescent]

Add*

[turbid lantern]

third angel ^^

[open monolith]

Would it not be better to just use that on the last boss?

Especially on tyrannical week

[lofty widget]

with lust too, that mf hurts

[chilly brook]

I used to do left to right but a healer said something about right being more healing intensive and just getting it out of the way

[sharp crescent]

Doesn't work on bosses AFAIK

Already tried it on the second and never saw the debuff on it

[chilly brook]

Idk how much it truly matters or if it's even right

But eh

[lofty widget]

bosses probably wont be stunned by it, so the effect is lost

[chilly brook]

It's not fucking my keys

So w/e

[sharp crescent]

Meh

Never had a healer complain

[chilly brook]

It really probably doesn't matter

They all fucking suck

[undone jacinth]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/

my rating was close 😆

[chilly brook]

But the advantage to going right to left is much less spears to deal with

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[open monolith]

Fewer.

[mossy sluice]

many less

[open monolith]

I can't take that to that list seriously

They put survival as F tier melee

Their DPS is actually nuts in mythic plus with the cluster bomb legendary

[sleek thorn]

Can confirm, survival is bananas in keys. I run with one a lot

[undone jacinth]

its based on keys done

not their opinion

[open monolith]

They also put blood Death Knight above Prot Warrior

[chilly brook]

Survival is great in keysb

What tier list?

[undone jacinth]

its entirely data driven

[open monolith]

Well fuck their data then

Lol

[undone jacinth]

lol

[sleek thorn]

Yea, subcreation is just based on what's completed

[mossy sluice]

is survival more nuts than mm wild spirits?

[chilly brook]

Did I miss something?

[undone jacinth]

😂

[mossy sluice]

opportunity cost

[undone jacinth]

I guess it would be better than a worse mm player would be the point

[chilly brook]

Where the link at?

[undone jacinth]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/

[chilly brook]

Oh I think I know what the problem is now

[undone jacinth]

oh matt is doing that thing where he keeps asking a question so that he can tell somebody that he's blocked me

to prove his own point

lmao

[chilly brook]

Feral in D tier but like it actually shouldn't be compared to these other specs

[undone jacinth]

no reason to play it when you can play boomy

[open monolith]

If we're all talking about a link, and you see "1 blocked message"

You know where the link is.

[undone jacinth]

exactly

[open monolith]

I'm on to you

[undone jacinth]

but asked 4 times

lmfao

classic

[open monolith]

Honestly I think it would be nice if people you blocked were truly blocked and you don't get the one blocked message thing

The temptation to read it is too strong

I HAVE NO SELF CONTROL SEND HELP

[chilly brook]

Despite what you might think

It wasn't a hee hee ho ho look at me post

[undone jacinth]

yeah that's true about the blocked thing

isn't really worth

[chilly brook]

I had to go through 7 of those stupid things to find it since y'all didnt start talking about it for several posts

[undone jacinth]

the blocked notification is bigger than an actual line of text

dude stop embarrassing urself further

jeez

I don't think I've seen a mistweaver all expac

in my groups

[open monolith]

I've grouped with a couple mist weavers

Their throughput is extremely good. As long as you don't need any DR cooldowns, they are super solid

When did they change vivify from a three-person heel to single target and also on anyone who has your mist on them?

[undone jacinth]

I legit can't keep up with how often they change that thing

I think it was like that last expac when I played it

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure it was just one person and a second in BFA

Last I remember renewing mist having an actual interaction with it was WoD

Must've been recent I guess

[undone jacinth]

I thought vivify did a smaller version of itself with the target ur beaming ur line thing in to

[chilly brook]

Yea was a SL thing

[carmine ore]

hey guys how's Pulsating Stoneheart?

[sweet summit]

bad

[strong forum]

very bad

[carmine ore]

fck

in the bin it goes thx for the info

[kindred plume]

Hey guys, I RL for a guild that runs double prot warriors. We're headed into our second night of Denathrius (heroic) prog tomorrow. Just looking for tips/tricks/pointers to share with our tanks. Any difficult points they should be looking to use their CDs specifically in the fight or needing externals? We had quite a few deaths in our p2 prog last week and I know p3 hits pretty hard as well.

[sand obsidian]

Once I have enough haste will I be able to keep up SB at all times>

[strong forum]

swap on 1 stack of wracking pain, p3 swap on 5-6 stacks

use CDs for mirror swaps and for shattering pain if you dont have any allocated

[undone jacinth]

the bits to watch out for are probably near the opening of p2, whenever you are going through the mirror in p2 and then just the entire p3

if they swap as nom is saying then they just need to call for externals when they are out of defensives

[kindred plume]

Makes sense. Most of the deaths did seem to happen around the mirror movements. CDs/externals around that point in the fight, and try to keep closer to mirror so we can move through without turning back to him was the game plan.

[strong forum]

just be fast about it

honestly

but yeah SW/Pain Sup/Bark on mirror swaps helps a ton

[undone jacinth]

they need to be aware of it themselves

[signal plover]

Lots of opportunities for back hits during mirror

There's also a huge spike at the start of P3 when he initially ports

P3 in general can slap pretty hard, especially if you have high scorn stacks during a shattering pain

[strong forum]

pwar is plenty strong for shattering pain, just need to make sure they dont have alot of stacks when the combo is about to start

taunt swap just before if needed

if tank X doesnt have stacks

[signal plover]

Can also swap go during the pain cast to split the stacks

Or right after

[kindred plume]

It was our first night at it, they got better as the night went on, but that all makes sense. I'll make sure to highlight the importance during mirror movement. And good notes for P3, we still get clapped on normal some so I'll pay extra attention to that too. Appreciate the input.
Side note, appreciated your mythic videos a ton in nyalotha @PawRevere#3269 !