Fair.
#protection
cinder nova
jagged pier
but dont run on to the next one
cinder nova
How valuable do you think an SR legendary would be if it expanded what could be reflected/deflected? π€
cinder nova
I just want them to divorce the DR from the reflect.
It feels so punishing to use it then a random mob casts at you and pops it.
jagged pier
true but its still one of the most power magic dr's in the game
yer it sucks the charge gets eaten
but oh well
ebon pebble
What is DR guys ?
jagged pier
damage reduction
undone sun
depends on the context, Damage reduction or Diminishing returns
undone sun
damage reduction
this case it's ^
undone sun
i was
ionic fern
Answered my first question asked here. 
undone sun
but i quit some time ago and it's a requirement to keep the role π
deft sapphire
i never played bfa at all lol
actually thats a lie
i played it to level my warrior 2 weeks before shadowlands
undone sun
lmao
ionic fern
Best time to play an expansion..right at the end so you avoid all the pointless grinds.
undone sun
that is true
deft sapphire
levelling zones didn't even look that pretty π¦
honest plinth
ye ye
deft sapphire
i think it needs a nerf
ionic fern
Make it below 1% so i can be a unicorn please.
undone sun
definitely
deft sapphire
if you wanna be a unicorn roll necrolord
undone sun
i need Nighthold levels of under representation
honest plinth
necrolord pro warr
deft sapphire
i need Nighthold levels of under representation
it was good for like a week when they overtuned revenge before then lol
honest plinth
fucking legend hha
cinder nova
Boost is Necro
jagged pier
yer and hes logs sow it
deft sapphire
disgusting
undone sun
lmao
for nighthold to ToS
i joined a new guild so i was basically forced to trial as bear
cinder nova
I remember I got dropped from tanking in my guild roster because they were unhappy with how Prot struggled in Nighthold, and they expected warrior to suck in ToS too.
undone sun
ToS prog i switched back, antorus was full warr
that guild had long trials, don't blame me @deft sapphire
cinder nova
Joined a new guild and they replaced me with some dogshit prot warrior that was an even worse arms when I was around.
deft sapphire
in antorus i played blood on aggramar
cinder nova
Sailed past prog
deft sapphire
that was the most boring prog ever
cinder nova
You missed out.
undone sun
i loved warrior on agg
cinder nova
Mythic Agg was Prot Warrior
deft sapphire
do you know how boring it is to do no dps and only be there for grips
cinder nova
Mongoing the combo
undone sun
do you know how boring it is to do no dps and only be there for grips
very, one of my cotanks was constantly complaining
cinder nova
That's a snore.
deft sapphire
and this dumb monkey boomie would roots the adds, and proc his fucking trinket
that killed the root
and wipe us
undone sun
lmao
ionic fern
I got kicked from a guild once because i over aggrod my co-tank constantly and he refused to learn to play his class to do proper damage instead of gray.
π¦
cinder nova
Scalesharding the second swing of Taesc was
I've had that Mwahi. "Stop DPSing so hard."
Like ???? why do you want me to do LESS damage?
undone sun
stop dots
cinder nova
Wait for the sunders guys
jagged pier
in my guild because of my damage the other tanks have learnt to play for damage XD
cinder nova
Fucking better. If you aren't dying you better be damaging.
You're just a bunching bag doing fuckall otherwise.
deft sapphire
i have to say when i tried tanking dungeons this expac
tank damage feels a lot higher than it did in legion
maybe im just a shit prot warrior
cinder nova
Legion damage was much higher.
cinder nova
Oh, yeah.
IP stacked way higher in Legion and didn't have the % reduction we have now.
And Scaleshard was a fucking block meme.
tired cove
I got kicked from a guild once because i over aggrod my co-tank constantly and h...
did you pay his sub to play his class correctly? lol. thats said you got kicked form a guild for pushing buttons like you're suppose to
deft sapphire
playing prot warrior for dungeons in week one of legion
ip was so busted
holy shit
cinder nova
INFINITE IP
undone sun
IP scaling on HP
undone sun
i just remember getting a 12m absorb in legion from IP
cinder nova
Like, I was shaming our healers on Mythic dogs.
undone sun
i don't even remember if that was the highest i got
jagged pier
the wall
ionic fern
What are you guys running for legendaries? Is sig + ravaged a god option?
No.
Ravager doesn't proc Signet.
deft sapphire
i run signet (cause i main dps kek)
cinder nova
The Wall is probably the most versatile because it's good for pretty much all content.
mental scarab
I didnt use SB and only ip when i started to tank dungeons in legionπ§π i miss that ip
cinder nova
TLV is good for M+ if you're into that, kinda doo-doo for raids.
undone sun
I didnt use SB and only ip when i started to tank dungeons in legionπ§π i miss ...
same
mental scarab
Did not know How the class workedπ
mental scarab
Yea same
undone sun
giga IP definitely made up for it
deft sapphire
do you play prot atm @undone sun
undone sun
i don't play. period.
sick echo
The wall or thunder lord?
deft sapphire
oh.
ionic fern
So all the "IP is primary mitigation" guys are from Legion.
sick echo
Hmm
ionic fern
π
undone sun
if anything it'd be bear
cinder nova
I swapped to warrior in Legion because Prot Paladin turned into a whack-a-mole light show and lost all the granularity and care it used to have.
mental scarab
Yeaπ
undone sun
So all the "IP is primary mitigation" guys are from Legion.
kind of
deft sapphire
@ionic fern did you see healing meters in exorsus cenarius kill
sick echo
Isnβt the wall only good for raids?
cinder nova
Prot Paladin used to actually require a bit of a brain to play well. Now it's "haha shiny button go brrrr"
mental scarab
Played fury after the gearing for raids started dhoπ
undone sun
cinder nova
Without looking, it's probably the most used prot leggo in M+
ionic fern
<@!238357283996696576> did you see healing meters in exorsus cenarius kill
I honestly can't remember. π
But now i'm interested. I know IP was busted then.
mental scarab
Wall-tanky thunder-smack
tired cove
I honestly can't remember. π
But now i'm interested. I know IP was busted then.
Prot war tanked like 10 drakes with just 1 healer and IP
cinder nova
Remember when IP used to be... what the fuck was it?
jagged pier
they had 3 prot warriors with inspiring presence was 9% of all damage converted to healing for the raid
cinder nova
Shield Barrier?
undone sun
you tanked the tree and the drakes in the back didn't you
ionic fern
π
mental scarab
Luuul the healing
ionic fern
Ngl, i miss Legion levels of tanking where my survivability was in my own hands for the most part.
π¦
tired cove
yeah couldn't remember if it was drakes or dragons, Emereald nightmare was a legit nightmare of a bad raid lol
native coyote
those were the days when you could end up #1 on dps and healing ...while tanking
deft sapphire
inspiring presence allowed the raid to just hit the boss through thorns
and dps it while ignoring the adds
pretty much
cinder nova
@ionic fern You mentioned some copy paste about TANKS SHOULD TANK?
I've never seen it.
undone sun
not on hand
deft sapphire
you should probably just uninstall right now
cinder nova
^
strong forum
Go sleep π«
neat dirge
I want some buffs to warrior in m+
I think in this raid they are pretty good
But man m+ is struggle
neat dirge
Aye that also isn't dumb idea
strong forum
Like I don't want dmg, im doing fine, just gimme survivability
neat dirge
How ?
strong forum
Wdym how
strong forum
I'm spending proper amounts of rage on damage
chilly brook
The only time my damage is a problem is when my cotank has his CDs
Cuz fucking pallys
neat dirge
But prot warr overall deals least amount of dmg
chilly brook
Sure
strong forum
Idk
strong forum
I'm doing 3-3.7k overall in m+
jagged pier
The only time my damage is a problem is when my cotank has his CDs
i felt that yesterday tbh
strong forum
π€·ββοΈ
chilly brook
A damage buff would be welcome
chilly brook
Kiting should die
strong forum
Exactly
neat dirge
Kiting is fun
strong forum
Wat
chilly brook
Fuck kiting
strong forum
So you enjoy, not playing the game?
neat dirge
I'm kiting
chilly brook
I spent time kiting in a 13 today because my group didnt have enough damage was aids
strong forum
Kiting is actively avoiding playing the game
neat dirge
Heroic throw / ravager and spear babeeee
ionic fern
...
chilly brook
Wow
strong forum
Cringe and bluepilled
chilly brook
2 buttons on a minute cd
neat dirge
I dunno I enjoy it
chilly brook
And heroic the rest of the time
strong forum
Winning by not playing is not good or fun
neat dirge
I have dh
ionic fern
First they were like "We don't want this kiting meta to be a thing so we make more caster pulls and threat changes" and now they made it so we still have to kite cause there's a bazillion casts and the damage intake is stupid.
neat dirge
For m+
strong forum
Dhs have to kite even more
neat dirge
Yeah
neat dirge
Why wouldn't I?
ionic fern
Who cares what he plays.
Fact is that current kiting meta is horrendous.
You literally avoid active gameplay.
Sure, you go in, blow your CD's and then just kite for the rest of the time.
neat dirge
My main is still prot warripr
chilly brook
I mean like what level keys are you even doing
ionic fern
Which reminds me.
lime urchin
Somewhere above has been mentioned that if play poorly you are from paper as prot warrior. I have more often than Iβd like to admit. My first guess is that I overlap cooldowns to much and use shield block inefficient (spamming it for example). How do I become less nub and less paper? I am fairly new to logs and this was more or less a thing for raiders. I am doing 11-12βs now, sniffing on some 13βs.
neat dirge
It has alot of factora
ionic fern
Either provide logs or a VOD and we can take a look
neat dirge
Like are you guys interrupting enemy spells
ionic fern
jolly thistle
itβs pretty easy rn. You overlap everything you have and then kite 
neat dirge
Are you using shieldblock correct, spell reflect, kite when u need to, ignore pain etc
ionic fern
The difference in damage taken in a group where people interrupt and where not is stupid.
tacit smelt
To the guys doing 16+ keys how much vers do you guys have
lime urchin
Ill try to make a VOD if some of yall are willing to take a look at it.
tacit smelt
Well trying to see if 17s is where I'm gonna have to bump up my 12% vers, stuff hurts as it is in my shield block gap
ionic fern
Ill try to make a VOD if some of yall are willing to take a look at it.
Either work, VOD or a Log. Just link it and ping me if no one else is answering.
lime urchin
Ill look into making some logs too.
ionic fern
Well trying to see if 17s is where I'm gonna have to bump up my 12% vers, stuff ...
It won't make or brake anything. Mitigation down time = you get wrecked regardless of the class.
You should look to cover SB downtime with DS/SW/Bolster and/or kite.
Can also use Shockwave if it won't DR important things.
tacit smelt
Nah it's just to smooth out damage a bit more with the higher keys since you know magic damage breaks a warriors shins
neat dirge
Is DS alone enough to cover for SB doe?
sweet summit
No
neat dirge
Ds feels weak alone
tacit smelt
It helps smooth out damage with your regular defensive rotation
ionic fern
20% DR is nothing to scuff at π€·
neat dirge
Low-key doe
tacit smelt
Same goes for spell reflect it doesn't have to reflect a spell to be useful the magic damage reduction is a god sent
neat dirge
Ye
tacit smelt
Man I wanted to do 16/17+ keys but ppl have no faith in prot warriors
ionic fern
True.
Nothing much to do about it currently tho.
I got declined from a +10 yesterday which was fun. π
tacit smelt
Well as usual we will scale with gear, just hoping for some buff patches
ionic fern
It's more to do with community perception than anything.
lime urchin
I am lucky to have a group 3 people I always play with, and of of them is demo-lock since bfa. We donβt care about meta-picking :p
warm blaze
i love going to the pug casino
neat dirge
Meta picking classes =/= meta picking specs for your class
native coyote
"checking rio 1000+, ilvl 200+, no prot war" ...yeah, but you have a +5 key π
fringe marten
We do scale well but I'm still going to miss the synergy of AM (reducing the CD of last stand/ava) then our azerite traits making avatar give us a ton of mastery..and then triggering mastery from our 'main' necklace essence...so basically we were crit blocking like 70% of the time and reducing damage to nothing.
Of all the crap they did to us this xpac, putting bolster and AM on the same tier was a bit of a gut punch.
tacit smelt
Well they gave the synergy all to DHs 
neat dirge
They Removed LS reduction on AM anyways
fringe marten
RIght
But with us using 'the wall' and the conduits we have access to..Anger Man~ is still strong.
tacit smelt
Real question for everything, do you enjoy the conduits prot got?
fringe marten
But having to choose between AM and Bolster is ..meh.
neat dirge
Am poop
fringe marten
Do I 'enjoy' ? Do we..'enjoy' playing WoW? or are we addicted and..don't really have another hobby we want to dive into?
neat dirge
I mean I use basic conduits nothing special
warm blaze
idk bout u but when i buy my fishing kayak wow is rip
tacit smelt
We got scraps when it comes to conduits
tacit smelt
Feels subpar in the grand scheme of the spec
neat dirge
I havnt thought to much bout it
ionic fern
Most of our conduits are pretty poop.
sweet summit
Unnerving focus is my favourite
neat dirge
@sweet summit the last stand one?
sweet summit
Yar
ionic fern
Yes.
neat dirge
Yeah it's nice
tacit smelt
It feels really nice with the wall and comes in clutch with the thunderlords leggo in m+
sand obsidian
score lol hit 60 like 10 minutes ago, knock out world boss and get a ring
tacit smelt
Grats
solemn magnet
Pugged sludge fist for the first time. Wiped at 2% after 3 attempts. Raid leader DH died to first pillar charge every attempt. Then talks mad shit to others. I talk back then get booted and group disbands. /whelp
Prot in CN is p.fun tho
sand obsidian
You guys use prot for torghast? Doing my first run (quest one) and seems like its just a ton of defense powers lol haven't gotten anything to increase DPS yet
hasty quest
But guys, if some of you use SW leggo and the conduit to reduce the CD of Shield Wall, can tell how long it takes withing each shield wall?
ionic fern
You guys use prot for torghast? Doing my first run (quest one) and seems like it...
Yep, just pull the whole room and pick offensive powers.
There's a ton of offensive ones.
ionic fern
But guys, if some of you use SW leggo and the conduit to reduce the CD of Shield...
Roughly 1.5 minutes.
zenith monolith
Yep I use Prot for Torg too, no probs at all
lime urchin
Prot for torg, yes. As I was advised yesterday pick execute power and start pumpin!
I actually had a lot of fun doing torg, except it taking way too much time.
limber temple
Oh Prot in Torg is amazing. Getting your Condem/Execute powers inc the .5 knock down can basically put the bosses in a perm stun lock.
sand obsidian
Lol yeah, the powers for prot seem really fun, just unlucky with offensive so far. Did get a 48 second demoralizing shout now though
hasty quest
Roughly 1.5 minutes.
Thanks mate, so can be a great alternative for Leggo Feet
1 Sw each 1,5 min
sick sentinel
If you kyrian the one that increases instant damage, booming voice for 48 seconds on demo shout(this one is tricky need to get lucky with singing stones to take demo shout) 2 minutes avatar, chance for ip to cast sw, inc sw duration for how many souls you have. Hp min 150k. Inc damage of td and ww, ss cast ww. And execute one to top it off
sand obsidian
lmao yeah execute is nice, was just spamming 18k crits
ionic fern
Mhm, arguably the best one due to making bosses pretty much fall over.
native coyote
the one that extends the duration of SW based on the number of soul blessings + IP has a chance to cast SW = perma SW. ended up with a SW that lasted longer than the cd in Twisting Corridors too
jagged pier
8 mins was my highest
cinder nova
My friend surprised me by having me tank a +14 right before I went to bed.
So I got a 226 and a 223 waiting in the GV.
Wish me luck, lads. I'm wishing upon a star for a 226 scale.
That'd be cash
hasty quest
the one that extends the duration of SW based on the number of soul blessings + ...
Wanna Talk About 100k Ignore Pain? π
jagged pier
thats a bit low for torghast
hasty quest
My highest was 250k
π
strong forum
- perma 4min SW refresh from the self refreshing IP
Basically immortal
I had higher IP than HP
hasty quest
Anyhow guys, i want to play Brew Monk as alt, can you suggest some starting guide?
cinder nova
Someone linked this video earlier
But all he's talking about is warrior representation, nothing about the mechanics
hasty quest
My recommendation is not playing brew
Why Not @strong forum ?
cinder nova
Does he shift gears at any point?
jagged pier
its my alt you dont need a guide its basically press buttons and u have mitigation
strong forum
Why Not <@!192743144276623360> ?
I just don't like monks, it's a personal thing not an actual recommendation
cinder nova
Wait... didn't they change Shiled Block to let us block ranged? Am I crazy? π€
steady spruce
@hasty quest method website has a bm guide
hasty quest
<@256212859883749378> method website has a bm guide
Thanks mate, ill give it a look:)
simple mural
Brewmaster have their own website like we do: https://peakofserenity.com/sl/brewmaster/
sweet summit
Thanks mate, ill give it a look:)
Method guides are often half assed and rushed, id check the monk discord before anything tbh
hasty quest
Method guides are often half assed and rushed, id check the monk discord before ...
can you link?
simple mural
hasty quest
Ty
feral drift
Odd question. Are Prot warrios in as bad a place as people make out? And are they just struggling in very high keys (~16+) or just in general?
ionic fern
We are not in as bad place as people make it out to be.
We are not even struggling with 16+ keys currently.
π
feral drift
Ah perfect
ionic fern
At least not more than any other tank (except for probably DH & bear) would.
feral drift
Fucking on off my druid alt. Tanking on that is bornig as shit.
ionic fern
It's just the horrible community perception we have from alpha.
Jeah, but they are beefy as hell.
feral drift
Thats fine, rather have more fun on an alt as I'll probably only be looking to get to 10s
ionic fern
Well, Warriors are plenty fun, but as always..everyone defines fun differently.
fringe marten
...?!?! That Feel when..you get TWO corruption antennae in Twisting Corridors..
feral drift
Yeah I love warrior, it my prefered tank. Was just worried about it being so undertuned that even if the rotation/play style is fun - its just unrewardnig.
ionic fern
You should not worry about that. π
The more worrying part is the community perception.
E.g the groups with "No warri!!!" or "only VDH!"
Which is just nonsense.
fringe marten
no..two Corruption Antenna is nonsense...LEL.
eager phoenix
like even at +18 bracket timed you see all tanks represented
its just vdh is way more popular
ebon hound
Corruption Antenna is good, wdym
fringe marten
Actually no this voracious culling blade +Elethium Teardrop and Elethium Beacon is..wtf?
That's what I mean Pan..I just got 2 back to back in anima cells. And as broke as that proc is...it's still nothing compared to the fact that execute is basically my auto attack now, and it's almost perma crit (84%) with like an added 40% crit bonus? Dude these Torghast runs end up getting so ridiculously fun..
oh and 4238 Phantasma to spend at the vendor? lol
ebon hound
Welcome to the Twisting Corridors
fringe marten
I know..it's sad that the content is? irrelevant kind of..I'll get a mount I can use in a place I barely spend any time. But? it's fun
strong forum
You seem like... to kill everything
I never had more than 450 phantasma
In all my layers and floors
jagged pier
i dunno i finished a run with 8k
strong forum
How
jagged pier
i got a lot of increases early
strong forum
Still, how
I purposefully ignore anything that increases phantasma unless it's "get 300 phantasma" and I know I want to buy the shout dmg thingy or the souls blessing SW increase
amber herald
if you use the anima orb on a skeletal summoner you get a 10x anima received powr
strong forum
Wtf
ebon hound
From skeletons only, but yeah, it's huge
jagged pier
ye i had that too
strong forum
I only bought the 250 cell twice
On layer 7 and 8
And got the 65% less fire damage taken
ebon hound
I just grab Pleonoxian Command and stack it for a few floors, then im good from there on out
jagged pier
it has some really good powers like stacking haste and 65% fire DR
lament charm
do we get the 3rd soulbind this week general draven for vent?
strong forum
Should say on the renown page no?
lament charm
it says finnish the campaign i am 8/9 on that now
fringe marten
I just got the 65% reduced damage by using the ..? Rusty knife? or whatever..shattering throw on one of the fire mages.
Oh..Nomeratur
Pleonexian command dude
you proc victory rush so often
once you get 2/3 Pleonexian commands, you're just constantly hitting vic rush for 15/20/25 phantasma
it adds up insanely fast
like..nothing else even remotely comes close to phantasma gain compared to that. You never have to worry about it again.
strong forum
Well I never worry about it to begin with
fringe marten
Then at some point in the 18 floor run of twisting corridors you'll get 'gain victory rush every 20 sec' so you're just engaging bosses/elites with it, hitting it every time you kill a skeleton, etc.
restive flax
unless you get the rage mote anima power forced down your throat
strong forum
But hey, I'm done with torghast
jolly thistle
if youβre somewhat geared - get execute and shield wall traits a few random % stat increase and skip as fast as possible to the bosses
strong forum
So I don't have to worry about picking any powers
fringe marten
Me either, but after my second? Twisting corridors run it clicked "oh shit I'm proc'ing victory rush 20x a pack, now that I have 2/3 stacks of this Pleonexian command..OHNOOOooooo"
Yeah it's not hard at all, I just actually enjoy clearing the floors/etc to end wings at like 110 powers
and just insane god mode
So having the ability to buy everything at every vendor is pretty cool.
jolly thistle
I didnβt enjoy it tbh, itβs a waste of time. At least you get a a mount
The most challenging stuff in there is not to fall off the edges if you get the jump increase
fringe marten
It's not 'exciting' because it's difficult. You just get to rampage in god mode. It's a LOT better than Visions of Nzoth were.
And no..you aren't done with Torghast homeboy. You get to do your 2 wings a week from now until you quit wow.
jolly thistle
even islands were better than visions
fringe marten
=\
You're done with twisting corridors for the moment.. sad it's such a ? one shot..wasted thing.
ripe kelp
the wasted potential reminds me of warfront lol
jolly thistle
Also itβs still bugged as hell. Hf charge/dcing at floor 15
ebon swan
Does anybody have some overview of the percentages required before going up / down in some sections in certain dungeons? Like NW, plagefaull, Spires?
Spires I know is 88 but I dont know the others
pale lotus
Use MDT my friend
ripe kelp
and say thanks to noggie b4 he hates everyone again π
undone jacinth
Does anybody have some overview of the percentages required before going up / do...
fringe marten
Be glad this is also the one content we are super well tuned for..
Could be a mage or a few other classes who really struggle in torghast.
ebon swan
@undone jacinth ait thanks that was exactly what I was looking for to make a simple reminder weakaura for me π
undone jacinth
nps
fringe marten
And I'd rather do Twisting Corridors than whatever those stupid ? trials of ascension are where we have to play pokemon battles with our soul binds, in an arena? dude I cleared that one time and was like "nope fuck that waste of time"
smoky wave
I'm 50/50 between finding them ridiculously frustrating and fun.
ripe kelp
anyone know the weak aura that puts timers of trash mobs abilitys in the nameplate... saw a streamer with it
undone jacinth
if you just google weak aura nameplate cool down timer thereβs about 10 of them
would probably use the one by avade
nova vector
Question about opening the great vault later today. I finished my first +14 this week (DoS) so Iβll have a 226 option. Will that loot only come from DoS or any mythic dungeon?
Guess Iβm being optimistic that it will increase my chances of the trinket since I canβt get the damn thing to drop
ripe kelp
Pretty sure i follows the same trend as legion / bfa weekly chest, just loot you get in any dungeon
jagged pier
but no one knows atm like ppl have run loads of ToP in a week to not get any loot from it in there vault
orchid frigate
guys i usually manage to mess up the gauntlet a bit before general kraal (mostly beacuse in pugs everyone is stressing me out by shouting for me to move). any good tips on make it smooth and easy?
jagged pier
just move when you want to
pale lotus
Take time doing it
At the worst after a trash pack, only two gargons come that die quickly
orchid frigate
taking time doing it feels super easy but rest of the group doesnt seem to like it
signal plover
They've prolly watched too many YT vids where dps are doing double their dmg :)
ripe kelp
i just fast track to next pack without pulling it, wait tile range dps are basicly in range to cast at it then pull it
pale lotus
If your healer is good on mana and CDs then oblige to their requests haha
nova vector
@ripe kelp Good to know. Iβll report back on my findings later today
sweet summit
theres a debate on if the vault if influenced by the dungeons you run
Its not
There was talk about it
But it didnt go through
modern brook
Bro Tuesdays suck I gotta get up and go to work spend all day working come home and turn my PC on just to look at 4 backs and a wrist
signal plover
Ppl are going to speculate about it all xpac but it's just full on rng from all dungeon loot tables
Yo pray for a 226 helm for ya boi
modern brook
π
signal plover
Bless
modern brook
Maybe I can get a shield this week
signal plover
π
smoky wave
I'm good as long as its anything not-shoulders!
signal plover
Grats on your shoulders bud
smoky wave
Grats on your shoulders bud
Ta. It's going to happen right?
signal plover
Da
smoky wave
Plebbed my way through a untied 13 too (only took an hour with 3 of us well under geared and a healer learning new keybinds) so it's totally happening
signal plover
It'll be aight.
orchid frigate
how does the loot spec work with great vault? can i switch between the specs and check what i would get?
jagged pier
nope takes the spec u open it in
amber herald
wait for gloom squalls before pulling more adds
orchid frigate
nope takes the spec u open it in
so i can change back and forth and then open, or its the first time i open only?
undone jacinth
Bro Tuesdays suck I gotta get up and go to work spend all day working come home ...
you canβt get same slot twice :p
jagged pier
so i can change back and forth and then open, or its the first time i open only?
first time only
orchid frigate
ok ty!
austere cave
@undone jacinth from experience i can tell you that it is possible as i got only rings last week
ripe kelp
yeet 3rd soulbind incoming
undone jacinth
well u have two ring slots so maybe thatβs why
ur not meant to be able to get same slot otherwise
and I never have
smoky wave
Thought someone posted the other day with 3 of exactly the same item?
austere cave
tbf i see them fking it up and you get the same item in 226 223 220
undone jacinth
maybe you are able to get the same slot but not the same item, not sure
austere cave
that sounds more likely
undone jacinth
I still havenβt got the same slot across a ton of options though so maybe thereβs some protection in place
sweet summit
Yeah, can get same slot, but not same item multiple times per vault
undone jacinth
literally any way to focus a shield that isnβt pvp would be ideal
sweet summit
Just get lucky 
sweet summit
Yep
sick sentinel
is normal CN easy no kap?
strong forum
Yes
sick sentinel
i'm not exactly the biggest raider, prefer to run dungeons
sick sentinel
im sure i can look it up on tanknotes tho
modern brook
normal sire is sorta a lot for non-raiders tbh
jolly spindle
theres only tankswaps that u have to worry about and where to pull the boss
modern brook
but i wouldnt describe it as "hard"
sick sentinel
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/guild/us/area-52/the-coffee-shoppe i don't want to doxx my guild really, but this is them.
i think 6H
sick sentinel
fix'd
tardy parcel
sire would be the only thing that would give me pause
but if your folks have been keeping up with gear for the most part so far, there shouldn't be any issues
sick sentinel
i would just be terrifed that my name is tank, i go into a raid, as tank, and then i fuck it up infront of guild.
tardy parcel
lmao
i too have that worry when first stepping into a new raid. i'm sure most of us do, even if we don't want to admit it
you'll be fine if you've been reviewing the fights a bit - they are not terribly punishing for tanks on normal
modern brook
honestly 90% of your wipes will e to johnny Shadowpriest not doing a mechanic anyways
tardy parcel
very yes
if your experience will go anything like my experience has, over time you'll go from "oh man i'm scared i'm gonna miss xyz tank mechanic" to "bruh how is this <insert dps> still goofing up the dance recital on council"
you've got this!
smoky wave
Worst case scenario is you looks like you've never tanked that specific boss on a computer game before. π
modern brook
worst case scenario is your team keeps breaking chains on sludgefist and you're stuck their for 2 hours and they finally get it down but you're so fucking tired at this point you miss the charge adn everyone blames you
if we're being honest
tardy parcel
biggest tip for tanking nathria: if you enjoy WoW music at all, do yourself a favor and put make sure you have the game's background music on before entering. the music throughout the raid slaps
sick sentinel
my sound track is basically doom music
undone jacinth
worst case scenario is your team keeps breaking chains on sludgefist and you're ...
in first week our tank had to drop out and I got asked to fill in - first fight sludgefist and Iβm thinking itβs just gonna be chill with my 184 ilvl or whatever like how nothing in BFA hurt... yet still somehow the worst part was indeed the ranged killing each other with chains all night lol
modern brook
sludgefist progression reminds me why i hate raid tanking
jagged pier
sudgefist was a monster week 1
signal plover
Was beeg fun tbh
signal plover
Having to prog a normal boss was fresh af
lunar perch
You guys got to Sludgefist week 1?!
jagged pier
.2%
signal plover
And then slg and sire we're basically free
signal plover
He slapped on both tbh
jagged pier
but we didnt have ppl potting or flasking etc because it was 'normal'
undone jacinth
I thought ours was hc but now you got me questioning myself
signal plover
We only got normal cleared week 1. Only did up to council heroic week 1 as a 2 night guild
undone jacinth
u 3 day?
sick sentinel
if someone supplies the potions and flasks and feasts and runes and tells them how to use them, im sure that lots of people would come then, pay more attention, better chance of down it
undone jacinth
hc but we are all having failing memories about what one we did because normal was harder than expected
sick sentinel
sometimes all group needs is a confidence booster
strong forum
We killed sludge dec21
undone jacinth
I think we must have done sludge hc but I remember it taking too long
undone jacinth
Iβll check
undone jacinth
yeah
sick sentinel
i did lfr first week, thats best i did but best i did also was 2 +6's and some 5's on a push week
undone jacinth
so w2
sick sentinel
so, can't really talk much
jagged pier
ah nah we clear normal week one vrom what i can see in logs
strong forum
Yeah we... Cleared normal week1, then hc we couldn't cuz we 2day raid and fresh guild
jagged pier
we added an extra day to kill sire hc week 2
strong forum
And went and killed shriek mythic, then back to HC until sludge and stopped
undone jacinth
yeah we got to sludge hc w1 but then had to wait to reset to kill because ranged players donβt like mechanics
undone jacinth
also there was that bug where when they got sucked in to the boss he would randomly one shot one of them
signal plover
Not a bug
undone jacinth
with a melee
signal plover
That's mongo tank positioning
undone jacinth
it was a bug, they fixed it in a patch
shrewd steeple
how many Revenge do u cast in a M+ which suits ur ilv?
signal plover
7
shrewd steeple
π
jagged pier
at least 1
sweet summit
Very vague question
signal plover
More than 1 yes
undone jacinth
I cast one for every ilvl I have
jagged pier
nah but honestly theres no set amount for ilvl
if you feel safe revenge
if not dont
sweet summit
Depends on dungeon, level, affixes, team etc
shrewd steeple
yea but is it like 100 or more like 300
ocean bloom
Also aggro too if you don't rav/spear sometimes you just need a revenelge
signal plover
Tbh revenge casts is kind of an irrelevant metric because the use cases for casting revenge are super situational
jagged pier
when i do keys tonight ill try and remeber to check
shrewd steeple
its not to see if i use enough i do know that i should but since i use around 170sh i dont have aggro problems anymore
deft bridge
tfw u get blasted by ur rl for not casting the throw skill once or twice
jagged pier
tfw u get blasted by ur rl for not casting the throw skill once or twice
the throw skill?
strong forum
On 20min dungeon
undone jacinth
heroic throw
jagged pier
do u mean shattering?
signal plover
Revenge is prolly the best on pull threat snap (that's not long CD like spear/rav)
deft bridge
no no, the other one
jagged pier
only useful on sunking tbh
undone jacinth
itβs got heroic in the name for a reason
signal plover
Shattering?
strong forum
Only use shattering if there's actually a shield to slap
jagged pier
^^
undone jacinth
itβs still pretty bad
undone jacinth
I was thinking of dps
sweet summit
Same thing
undone jacinth
mmmm
strong forum
Opportunity cost is still on the good side
undone jacinth
it must be close for dps surely
sweet summit
On sunking mine hit for 22.5k
strong forum
Outside of spear
undone jacinth
isnβt it 1.8
strong forum
That much actually
sweet summit
As arms
jagged pier
only hits 10k with shield though
strong forum
Obv
undone jacinth
hit for 22 or crit
sweet summit
Hit
jagged pier
i did like 20k on sunking mythic with it
undone jacinth
thatβs pretty legit then
deft bridge
i barely feel it when i use shattering throw, like hakkar's shield doesn't go down much
jagged pier
only cause sunking has 2 shields u can hit
sweet summit
With cs+ava i think
outer solstice
Also DW up for the % i guess?
jagged pier
oof been pushed off my 4th spot on sunking
jagged pier
yah
strong forum
Thought you meant raidspot
jagged pier
nah am 1st tank
strong forum
Hey people think of wild shit when there's suddenly more mobs around
jagged pier
like they just presumed i was tanking this expansion
jagged pier
i didnt even get asked XD
jagged pier
our strat has no infusers
undone jacinth
how many infusers can u skip with 16
strong forum
But you can't meet dps check
undone jacinth
ye
undone jacinth
but it must have a duration
jagged pier
but yer the shield wouldnt break
undone jacinth
play the long game
jagged pier
its like 300k
undone jacinth
ah yeah ofc
strong forum
If you don't meet dps check
undone jacinth
thatβs 200% dr
nah they donβt
with every single dr and personals though
maybe....
strong forum
Idk bout that, there's multiple ones
Unless your 16hpals
Spread their ashen hallow
For shields only
undone jacinth
yeah now itβs coming together
strong forum
8 on each
jagged pier
nah the shield hits for like 3mmil
strong forum
Yeah but dmg
strong forum
8 pallies with wings blasting their hammer of wraths
undone jacinth
thatβs gotta be enough
strong forum
Should be doable tbh
jagged pier
well if you guys want to give it a go
sweet summit
However much
jagged pier
4 sheilds though and you can only throw the first and last
undone jacinth
true
hmm weβre gonna need corruptions
what was the thing called
moment of clarity?
the cdr
sweet summit
Ineffable!!!
tardy parcel
Ineffable truth?
undone jacinth
hell yeah
tardy parcel
Corruption 2.0: introducing... effable truth
sweet summit
Yooo any OG ineffable ravagers???
sweet summit
Where my homies at 
undone jacinth
getting twilight dev back might be the thing tanks need right now
just to let DHs get that little extra boost they need
jagged pier
honestly if courption comes back im probably quitting the game
undone jacinth
there seems to be posts everywhere complaining about tanking atm lol, think itβs because people are starting to get 15 and above now
jagged pier
nah it always happens at the start of an expansion
less gear so bad tanks are more noticable
undone jacinth
when people thought it was gonna be fun to reroll tank
jagged pier
and new exapnsion new people trying it people coming back not knowing much
and tanks a un represented roll
so people give it ago and it goes badly
loads of things
the dungeons are pretty unforgiving in terms of damage intake as well
undone jacinth
I did play all of BFA and I didnβt really see the same types of complaints tbh
pine solar
are we alll waiting for buffs before we do m+ as prot?
jagged pier
are we alll waiting for buffs before we do m+ as prot?
no we are fine we dont need buffs
just get better
undone jacinth
going back to freehold now would feel unreal
jagged pier
^^
cinder nova
Really? I hated M+ in BFA and thought they were really a pain in the ass.
But this expansion I'm all for it.
undone jacinth
I honestly miss BFA dungeons and more for aesthetics than anything else
undone jacinth
I hate being in plaguefall with how green it is
cinder nova
I can't say I was fan of the look of BFA dungeons either lol.
jagged pier
but dungeons from bfa on have been designed with affixes etc in mind
cinder nova
It just felt so padded out with patrols around every corner.
That's definitely something I don't miss.
The P A T R O L S
Holy fuck every dungeon had patrols of some kind that could fuck your entire run.
The only patrol I've ever had to wait on that comes to mind is the giant aboms in TOP
undone jacinth
idk NW has tons, SD has some bad ones, DOS has loads
cinder nova
Yeah, but none that matter in DOS.
The entire ardenweald area is a cake walk even on fort since it's so phys-weighted you can goober it with triple pulls.
Although you're right NW is an ass at times.
The patrol just before the first miniboss
The second miniboss patrolling into a shitty spot.
The patrol around Stitchflesh's room
And the patrol between the last necromancer and the second miniboss
Yeah, I think that's probably why I'm not keen on NW
Armath is also a real chode on Tyr
smoky wave
TD wasn't designed with anything in mind, Not aoe, corruptions, existing near walls, cameras, let alone affixes.
tardy parcel
tol dagor's entire reason for being was just to jam another joke reference of Crossfire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwn1NTK-50) into the game, prove me wrong
undone jacinth
your spastic gyrations
uneven mason
PRANCE FORWAHD
mossy sluice
yazma "but you were tooooo late"
stray sierra
They got rid of spastic gyration voiceline right
undone jacinth
no matta, we can rebuild immmmm
undone jacinth
They got rid of spastic gyration voiceline right
Really?
stray sierra
I havent heard it since the first week
fiery vector
just got a 220 blood spattered scale
undone jacinth
dang son
sick sentinel
we can log on?
undone jacinth
feels bad having to dps loot spec my vault
sick sentinel
oooh shit here it comes
jagged pier
feels bad having to dps loot spec my vault
why
sick sentinel
i get 3 210 items to choose
undone jacinth
because I dps in raid 75% of the time
jagged pier
F
undone jacinth
and lots of tank trinkets suck
midnight stone
viscera and pulsating at 15 -_-
astral crystal
should i take a 21 ilvl upgrade helm, or a 13 ilvl upgrade chestpiece with leech
jagged pier
helm
astral crystal
OR a stone legion trink with avoidance halp
fiery vector
is viscera bad?
sick sentinel
if i see a 210 organ i might be all in on that
fiery vector
its my other 220
midnight stone
I just don't like it
jagged pier
is viscera bad?
its okay
fiery vector
ah okay
undone jacinth
whatβs the ilvl difference
upgrade not always most relevant
if ones a 226 and the other isnβt I probably take it
fiery vector
ive been using a heroic blood spattered scale all expansion so im pretty happpy
smoky wave
feels bad having to dps loot spec my vault
Super tempted to do this cos I need an arms weapon for pvp but nostly to avoid the tank trinkets. Does the hakkar trinket drop as dps? Would be a shame to miss a 223 shield though
chilly brook
Super tempted to do this cos I need an arms weapon for pvp but nostly to avoid t...
No it doesnt
blissful iris
how do yall feel about Splintered Heart of Al;ar trinket?
chilly brook
Trash
blissful iris
rip
smoky wave
No it doesnt
That's the breaker then, aiming for the shield or trinket. Watch me get shoulders or trash trinkets.
fierce tendon
Yo but u can end ur dps' lives with it
ripe kelp
gotta love world server crash's every reset lol
undone jacinth
itβs a little bit weird on warr but still decent
fierce tendon
which isn't bad sometimes
sick sentinel
midnight stone
Its good in pugs, but seems less useful the stronger your group is
sick sentinel
probably the weapon?
chilly brook
Heart is only good if you basically have no melee, don't have a cotank or just simply aren't doing challenging content
undone jacinth
unfortunately tanks have to plan on dying now π
chilly brook
Any of those 3 and you risk cucking the group anyways
cinder nova
What the fuck... how is... what.
jagged pier
how do yall feel about Splintered Heart of Al;ar trinket?
a lot of the top m+ tanks are using it as you can play around dying
undone jacinth
Iβm talking for m+ not raid really
jagged pier
and the cd resets on death as well
undone jacinth
but it gets better in harder content not worse lol
fierce tendon
Yep its not bad at all, just need to know when to use
cinder nova
smoky wave
and the cd resets on death as well
Oh really? That's interesting
cinder nova
Raidbots is telling me to take the 223 boots instead of the 226 pants
Even though both are ilvl 200
jagged pier
Raidbots is telling me to take the 223 boots instead of the 226 pants
boots probably have higher mastery
cinder nova
And the legs have haste/mast and the boots have crit/mast
jagged pier
yer
chilly brook
but it gets better in harder content not worse lol
Debatable, if you watch the 20 growl did with dorki if dorki had been running it during the rage and had died he would have wiped several people
jagged pier
obvs raidbots it telling you that then
undone jacinth
u take the legs all day
jagged pier
it sims for damage
chilly brook
And his death was a real possibility
jagged pier
crit and mastery are better for damage
for its gunna put the boots first
take the legs though
haste good
cinder nova
That's what I was thinking
undone jacinth
killing a dps isnβt bad if ur tank lives because of it
and it will rarely ever do that anyway
fierce tendon
Since I started using it my splintered dps kill count is around 5, and I will keep the tally
jagged pier
yer but thats the thing with the trinket you play around it so u say when your gunna die so ppl know
smoky wave
killing a dps isnβt bad if ur tank lives because of it
Killing a dps is hilarious, especially if you live because of it.
undone jacinth
exactly, itβs a bonus
more reasons to use it
isnβt the range like 8 yards as well
canβt remember
jagged pier
yer
smoky wave
Yeah, 100% running it if I get it. We had a hilarious few runs before we realised someone had leash too
undone jacinth
yeah thatβs a joke
ur melee shouldnβt be in 8 of u
especially as thereβs less of them now
fierce tendon
I think its 5 btw
undone jacinth
5!?
fierce tendon
ye
smoky wave
ur melee shouldnβt be in 8 of u
That's going to make it really hard to kill people with.
fierce tendon
quite small
undone jacinth
if itβs 5 youd have to be actively trying to kill them lol
smoky wave
That would be the plan.
blissful iris
imagine proccing in on sludge and then kiling the cotank now that would be the play
undone jacinth
he has one as well and kills you back lmao
blissful iris
LUL
fierce tendon
Shit when my group was pushing sludge the trinket saved the day and got us our first kill
fierce tendon
I mean there are better trinkets for NOT dying, but being able to get a free revive is nuts i agree
mossy sluice
its just a stat stick safety net if it doesn't proc, and if it does proc its worth so much
undone jacinth
the risk is just so high when ur pushing that it enables a lot
tank dying not good
doesnβt matter anyway because raid loot is fake news
blissful iris
I have one in my vault .. or a 20ilvl upgrade chest .. im trying to decide if i take it
undone jacinth
what ilvl are both
blissful iris
it would replace a 207 cube trinket .. with a 213 cheat death splinter
or a 200 to 220 chest, which looks tasty crit haste
jagged pier
chest
mossy sluice
^
undone jacinth
that is a rough choice
chilly brook
Armor>trinkets
undone jacinth
unique trinket that u are incredibly unlikely to ever get tho
fierce tendon
How do I literally only get this key. This key is trash and I've gotten it 3 weeks in a row
astral crystal
NW is easily the w orst dungeon
mossy sluice
just have your buds go tank loot spec on kael and watch no items drop anyway cuz shadowlands
undone jacinth
I have NW curse too
astral crystal
got mists 15 from the box this week, blessed
fierce tendon
my God I'm tired of this lmfao
chilly brook
Unique trinket that largely isn't going to account for much extra dps
Or survival tbh
blissful iris
i have vault anxiety lol, think im going 20ilvl chest upgrade... i think
jagged pier
its the better choice imo
undone jacinth
the only issue is if you get a higher ilvl chest ur gonna feel bad because of how hard the trinket is to get
chilly brook
20 ilvl chest is big
undone jacinth
but itβs a big upgrade
jagged pier
well that depends on the content he does
undone jacinth
yeah
jagged pier
if he does content that doesnt drop 220 then hes not getting a new chest
blissful iris
just pleb level keys and heroic shits on this guy
mossy sluice
even the normal splinter is fine if youre gonna use it tbh
blissful iris
so im not pushing mythic raids
jagged pier
so you take the chest
mossy sluice
diff between normal and heroic splinter is miniscule
jagged pier
also that ^
undone jacinth
how so
jagged pier
as smaller loot table
undone jacinth
huh
jagged pier
we are talking raid loot vs dungeon loot here right?
undone jacinth
1 trinket vs multiple chests?
undone jacinth
so more chance of getting a chest in box
jagged pier
as well as multiple legs bracers gloves boots
not really factor in all the loot from mythic plus
vs like the 3 per boss in raid
like ive seen the trinket at least twice from the vault
undone jacinth
I donβt understand, thereβs way more chances to get chests
jagged pier
just because theres more chests doesnt mean there more chance, think of the entire loot table of mythic dungeons