issue is though a green player is probably suckage at mechanics
#protection
undone jacinth
outer solstice
Big oof
undone jacinth
doesn’t matter tho
outer solstice
@undone jacinth or has to do more mechanics
undone jacinth
still gonna be getting kills if they can do mechanics
unique shale
i can't get invite to 10 as war 
outer solstice
Pop🍿
fallow mortar
i can't get invite to 10 as war <:greensloth:766650223098855504>
that is common unfortunately
unique shale
inviting dh or pala tank with full set of 10 and yet they fail a lot
sweet summit
undone jacinth
lol
strong forum
"the trauma"
undone jacinth
did he thank him
strong forum
Idk
jolly thistle
I’m playing pwarr with a frost mage. Who gets the compliment?
undone jacinth
finally someone that understands my pain
fallow mortar
had a resto druid rate how hard it was to heal the DH or me and he said that it depends on the situation. It was a rather feelsgood moment for me
outer solstice
@strong forum you looked at the log of our huntsman kill, spotted anything wrong on a first glimpse? Or looks fine for a first look?
undone jacinth
well if a warr is hard to heal then there’s a good chance that warr is dead :p
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> you looked at the log of our huntsman kill, spotted anythi...
Nothing insane, dmg intake is a little high, but that depends alot on the smoothness of the fight
outer solstice
Ok ty
sand condor
hello prot warrior friends
now that i have returned to raids as a prot warrior, i must obtain myself the hidden artifact apperance
but the "/run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44311))" does not actually tell me anything
for some reason there is nothing in the chat taht states true nor false
unsure if it should only return something if it is true
or if i am doing something wron
i know its not directly prot related but maybe one of you is smarter than me and can tell me what i am doing wrong
cinder nova
zzzz
I had a paladin tell me I was the best Prot Warrior he's ran with and that healing was smooth as silk.
"Guess there might be some hope for warrior after all!"
???
Fuck man, thanks?
undone jacinth
and u only needed a +3 to get it! 😂
strong forum
i know its not directly prot related but maybe one of you is smarter than me and...
Apparently that doesn't work anymore
sand condor
oh
strong forum
You have to walk into the cave and hope the emote happens
If not, try again the next day
sand condor
alright
so its just gonna be me going to skyhold to see if arms quest is up and then to the cave to check for shield
sweet summit
Just fly in and look, i didnt get any emote thing when mine was there
sand condor
its always on the gold piles right
strong forum
Yeh always same spot
sweet surge
PSA:
This trinket is broken AF dmg wise
Nothing comes even close to its damage per M+ run, and consistently
jagged pier
we know
sweet surge
Oh, okay
Been using it since, like, week 1 or 2, and I am yet to find a replacement for it, kinda annoying
I even got 210 Decanter off SDepths and it performs signifcantly worse
jagged pier
well you dont nedd to stand there an channel with decanter
strong forum
My 226 decanter does roughly same dps as my 164 hymnal
But it's 70 smth Str vs 64 vers
So the decanter does way more in reality
Cuz 70 Str is worth like 210+ vers
jagged pier
of course you have a 226 decanter Nome
jagged pier
more than mine
but i would replace mine with generals trinket
which i still dont have
undone jacinth
I guess it must scale with haste because my bear one does not great damage
undone jacinth
yeah 100 or so on a good day for me I think
sweet surge
@strong forum My Decanter is 210 only, but I am finding it hard to believe that a 16ilvl upgrade will bridge a gap of up to 120K dmg done across a M+ run 😮
strong forum
Idk chief
sweet surge
As for Versa, I actually value it highly, since I'm trying to push higher keys
strong forum
It do be like that
Str is worth 3-4x as much as any secondary stat
Like...
Not even close
strong forum
3-3.7k
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
Exactly
sweet surge
And sure, STR is more valuable, but the question is whether its so valuable that it'll generate an additional 120k deeps over a run
That's the part I'm ??? at
strong forum
Idk where you get the total value from
sweet surge
I ran a number of 16-17-18 last night and tested
My Hymnal does anywhere between 200 and 260K
Decanter was 130K to 140K
Over several runs, different dungeons, etc
strong forum
This is mists 17
Given, this is in logs, so dps is lower
Cuz it accounts downtime
sweet surge
156K with a 226 Decanter, sounds about right
If mine reaches 130K for a 210 Decanter
So that's -50k damage even on my worst Hymnal runs
strong forum
Hoa 15
sweet surge
Hmmm, that's significantly higher
sweet surge
I guess due to the nature of the proc it's a bit more RNG
since you're cleaving in a cone frontal
and Hymnal just procs on a given mob
strong forum
Yeh, and hymnal is a projectile
undone jacinth
it’s not that difficult to get a rough idea of the str difference
strong forum
And again, Str vs vers
undone jacinth
just equip and look at the % difference and apply it
sweet surge
I'll test Decanter more
strong forum
You can sim and it'll tell you what's better, even on ST my decanter wins
Vs hymnal
jagged pier
its not always about dps tbh
undone jacinth
if they are close then the str is better
strong forum
^
sweet surge
My question is whether 60 str is capable of providing an increase of 100K dmg per run
More like, that's what I'm wondering
strong forum
Do you have any logs?
sweet surge
Nah, but seeing yours just made me realize I should freaking log my M+
strong forum
Yup
undone jacinth
just add 60str of items and look at the difference base, it will give u an idea
jagged pier
should log everything
strong forum
It's a very good thing to do, if you plan on pushing especially
sweet surge
Yeah. I'm very new to this, especially tanking, but it makes a lot of sense since I can analyze better after runs
ex PvP monkey over here
at least I got a 233 1h and shield
flex
undone jacinth
that is certainly a head start
strong forum
Pvp > pve
But yeh, I'm running with 203 weppy
Bruh if I had 233, ez 4k+ every key
jagged pier
double on use trinket ew
strong forum
That's why I only look at dps
Not at total value
Who is using double on use Jakey
?
jagged pier
i thought hymanl was on use
sweet surge
nah, passive
jagged pier
ive never had one
jagged pier
meh i have like 5% crit wont do that for me
strong forum
It's insanely good, but my decanter is just better :^)
strong forum
Also, ilvl on trinkets is insanely strong
Like, I had 171 scale vs 200 scale, and the absorb was a 40% increase
sweet surge
What's interesting is how much Revenge you seem to have pressed on that Mists 17 compared to my Mists 18
smh
strong forum
I slap, ok
sweet surge
Can you show your healing?
strong forum
sweet surge
Jesus, that Vulpera thing heals for a lot
strong forum
Well, it prevents damage, but yes, is gud
sweet surge
And I still don't get it, you seem to have generated significantly more rage than me based on your Indomitable healing
Mine is 783K o_O
strong forum
I'm gaming
Maybe my run was that much longer than yours
Cuz we kinda aped a bit
29min
sweet surge
27.44
sweet surge
Not that much longer
strong forum
Press more SS and ravager idk
sweet surge
Are you running with a Hunter/ROgue for MD?
lime urchin
Nom, I had a blast with execute. Its my new best friend now.
strong forum
Are you running with a Hunter/ROgue for MD?
No
sweet surge
I am running with apes who like to wait exactly 0.5sec after my charge to start blasting
undone jacinth
that is so tilting tbh
if ur gathering multiple packs
u turn around and ur ranged are running away from 3 mobs they started blasting
sweet surge
Dude, the other day in De Other Side, fattie Ardenweald pull with the Urn
I am literally gathering a bazillion mobs on mount, zero threat
and my DH did a glavie tempest and complained he pulled aggro with 2K dps
DH brain
whilst the mobs were chasing me to the urn spot
strong forum
Love that shit
undone jacinth
yeah I just think ppl are so used to either DH tanks gathering everything instantly and using sigil or having a Hunter
sweet surge
Had to explain that mount aggro is 0 threat
sweet surge
with me its doubly stupid, because I am on comms with these people and they're friends
strong forum
And youre just trying to gather mobs
sweet surge
its not like its a random pug
undone jacinth
my guildies are the same
sonic mesa
i feel bad
strong forum
F
strong forum
You gotta make a deal with yourself to wait until she moved Koph
It hurts to wait, but you gotta
sonic mesa
yeah i learned it the hard way
strong forum
A slippery cunt
undone jacinth
u can put ur camera backwards and see how recently she moves while clicking the button
undone jacinth
so u know if u can insta spear
sweet surge
that platform is hell
undone jacinth
yup
sonic mesa
got 207 scale last night tho
sweet surge
I am legit thinking of turning down my graphics for SoA
sonic mesa
so all good:D
sweet surge
scale is ❤️
undone jacinth
I tried to die by jumping off and I got carried by angel wings all the way in to bastion lmao
sonic mesa
mhmm
sweet surge
I also love how every platform jump you gotta wait for the Angel to not be busy to interact
undone jacinth
requires actual loot from raid bosses though
outer solstice
I really like the PvP static haste + str procc 😛
undone jacinth
that’s not a real thing
outer solstice
yeah it's a rumor
undone jacinth
unless it’s a boe from trash it doesn’t exist
outer solstice
hehe, I dropped the bracers on M @undone jacinth
handed them to our DPS warr though, as I haz PvP ones that are nearly equal
undone jacinth
I’m still waiting for legs from fucking shriekwing like just so basic
outer solstice
yeah.... sitting on 184s
uncut hinge
should I create The Wall or Thunderlords for M+?
outer solstice
oof, the wall is amazing....
undone jacinth
whichever u want
outer solstice
but I'm not M+ freak
uncut hinge
having that free rage always available must be nice
sonic mesa
Mosht high m+ prot warriors use thunderlords
few exceptions
so wall for raid and thunderlords for m=
outer solstice
and sginet for pumping useless hc ranks 😛
jagged pier
signet isnt doing well in logs at all
outer solstice
yeah because noone is using it ^^
jagged pier
theres on guy in the top ten for every hc boss
but hes not top on any
so it doesnt look like a dps increase
outer solstice
keep in mind we're still tanks
and we like defensive CDs
I'd bet the top ranks atm are not 100% stacked
no PI on them and such
probably no vantus either
undone jacinth
yeah a sim is probably a better indicator rn
jagged pier
you only get 3-4 applications of ither 4 seconds or reck or 3 seconds of bladestorm on a boss
that isnt not going to equal the rage from the wall being fed into revenges
outer solstice
yeah you can't double stack it like arms can
ionic fern
Yes.
outer solstice
ty
undone jacinth
u don’t need to theorise like that about revenges u can just sim it
outer solstice
y on it rn
undone jacinth
then it will just come down to fight time
in the end you might as well just have the value wall brings if the difference is small, signet is just the fun option
outer solstice
so yeah for 5 minutes
it's about 250 DPS difference atm,... but without any of the defensive benefits from the wall
undone jacinth
well you coulda make that sim easier haha
outer solstice
yeah I know but I'm lazy af
unique shale
does anybody cast whirlwind as prot ?
outer solstice
no
undone jacinth
on aoe it was something like 400 dps for me
but people love saying it’s not better dmg idk
outer solstice
maybe if you want to do some weapon change cheneganians, but I somehow doubt it's even doing more dmg xD
undone jacinth
I was talking about signet btw, ww sucks lol
outer solstice
while we're on topic, anyone changing to a 2hand for executes? xD if not tanking
unique shale
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kSxggBkVTjCCXN4gs2h1z7
a gnome 
outer solstice
FOR GNOMEREGAN!
harder time overcapping rage
and I still overcap xD xD hahahaha
unique shale
is it worth casting condenm beside revenge ?
jagged pier
in aoe no
undone jacinth
it’s a lot better on st
unique shale
i spamming a lot of revenge i need to stop it
outer solstice
you ventyr?
unique shale
y
undone jacinth
revenge is fine
unique shale
i have problem SR
outer solstice
*listening
unique shale
many people interrupt when i use SR
outer solstice
oh yeah
unique shale
idk when to use it tbh
outer solstice
theater of pain last boss scythe 😛
unique shale
outer solstice
@ionic fern the new cheatsheet looks nice
nono just for spellreflect
if randoms don't see it,... you have to make it more visible
if they don't want to mess with it, they have to get on voice
or look out and track it themselves
unique shale
or i just say i take first cast done
undone jacinth
cheat sheet looks like it says to use TL in raid?
jagged pier
no?
outer solstice
thunderlords is fine for most things raid
the wall is in bold
obvious better
bold > all
undone jacinth
I mean fine shouldn’t be the recommendation
unique shale
what is this mean ?
You only had Shield Block Buff or Last Stand for 34.72% of physical damage taken. You should have one of the two up to mitigate as much physical damage as possible.
ionic fern
Exactly what it sounds like.
You did not use SB enough
To mitigate blockable damage.
jagged pier
You only had Shield Block Buff or Last Stand for 34.72% of physical damage tak...
depends are you running bolster?
unique shale
y
jagged pier
so when your getting melee'd which is pretty much constantly
you need to have ither sb up or LS (when you have bolster)
it will mitigate the most damage
the usual preference depending on haste
is 2-3 SBs then you use LS to let you SB charges recharge
unique shale
yup i have bad habit spamming ravene gtg stop it and use SB or IP
jagged pier
its not SB or IP
its both with prio to SB
you only revenge when u have spare rage or the free proc
or if u know you dont need defensive or you dont need to pool rage
sweet summit
You want to press revenge more often than only when its free
jagged pier
Cast Revenge Icon Revenge ONLY if it is free.
'when u have spare rage or the free proc'
strong forum
Cast Revenge Icon Revenge ONLY if it is free.
The "only" part was more a bfa thing, now its your main offensive rage spender
So you actually do want to use rage on it
torn gulch
yep thunderclap hits like a noodle
you need to find a balance between spending rage defensively or offensively depending on what is happening to you
there is a reason prot warrior is considered a hard tank to play with little room for error
compared to other tank specs
strong forum
Cuz they don't choose between dmg and mitigation
outer solstice
mitigation? I don't know that word /s
smoky wave
Mitigation is the 7minute torghast shield walls, right?
outer solstice
nah infinite dbtS is better
astral crystal
truly the best experience
can you get more than one of the execute power?
i only see it once a run
outer solstice
nah
outer solstice
tbh thorghast is a pretty bad rougelike
there aren't enough powers
every run basicalyl ends in the same build in TC
because the powers are capped on how many you can get
astral crystal
another way to look at it is that there aren't enough interactions
think of games like binding of isaac where practically every upgrade you get has some kind of interaction with the other
so snowballing feels really good
pls no take out of context
strong forum
Miss me not getting it until floor 14
outer solstice
but I finished TC the first day ^^
outer solstice
yeah still had vacation
astral crystal
im just gonna do a layer a day, tc is so boring imo
outer solstice
rn working again ^^
strong forum
Hence why I finished it ASAP Atticus
outer solstice
yeah
strong forum
So I'm done for the tier/xpac
outer solstice
but I thini 1 layer a day is a good attitude
if they give us like 10x more different powers
I might actually consider throghast as fun
strong forum
And more in general
Like this, every run is 100% the same
Just slightly different order
outer solstice
this
strong forum
And fix the mounts....
outer solstice
its always the same build
strong forum
Getting insta dismounted, what's the point
restive flax
When you guys do high keys, whats your DD players average DPS?
restive flax
Cuz I feel I could tank much higher stuff but the DD players I run with are sadly sorta garbo
The highest I've done is +12 and I dont take a lot of damage but... It just takes forever
Sometimes even my average DPS is higher than theirs
outer solstice
most better dds have the impression we're utter garbage
strong forum
Okay
That's some bad dps
If you're anywhere but 4th on the dps meter, your dps players suck
jagged pier
same 
outer solstice
saqme
stuck oriole
I ran a friend through a normal thats the only time ive gotten it
restive flax
My trinkets are so trash
stuck oriole
What you got?
restive flax
A lot... hold on ima screenshot all of them LUL
restive flax
Most of the time I'm using decanter and the viscera trinket thingi... not exactly sure what its called
the one that does aoe damage and heals
outer solstice
can grab the pvp one ^^
restive flax
I know but I dont have the time to do PvP AND PvE
this is what I have (dont hate on me, I dont have ilevel displayed)
outer solstice
a lot of nice oners
restive flax
I'm just gonna drop ievel in order: 200, 194, 200, 194, 194, 187, 187, 184, 158, 200, 207
well I also have the Quantum Device
restive flax
I mean, is emitter 184 really that strong in m+?
jagged pier
yep
restive flax
I'lll give that a go, thank you 🙂
outer solstice
decanter deals a lot of dmg as well, but yeah I agree, stone legion + anima probably
jagged pier
decanter doesnt do that much
outer solstice
and if you find the time to get the 200 pvP trinket that'll be a nice upgrade over the 184 emitter
restive flax
^
didnt perform well for me
I mean, I still used it but... I just wasnt sure how to measure impact of the other trinkets against trinkets that directly deal damage
outer solstice
no ranking or ranked play needed at all
you can sim them for DPS
but haste trinkets also add nice survivability by haste
by more rage and lower CDs I mean
restive flax
yeye sure, Id like to think that I know my way around the warrior mostly. I just havent been playing m+ in any other expansion so my knowledge about the sources of mediocre results is limited
outer solstice
❤️
restive flax
Oh also, is the Overflowing Ember Mirror bugged somehow?
Forgot to mention that I got that on 184 aswell
The amount of damage it puts out is super confusing to me
outer solstice
how much does it do?
on 184 it should be around 7k explosions
if you took no dmg
restive flax
When I just test the damage on a dummy its like 7,5k or something. But when I use it in a dungeon while tanking mobs (so the shield should be reduced -> damage lower) it does way more damage, like 9 or 10k
Which doesnt make sense in my head
restive flax
I would assume so? But still that would imply that I didnt take damage for 12 seconds which is super unrealistic
outer solstice
with stuns, other absorbs and so on,... might happen
though I agree in the current M+ scaling it's quite unrealistic
maybe the dmg split is not working correctly and it just spreads to all mobds instead of splitting
restive flax
I tested it in M0 though (with appropriately bad DPS players)
outer solstice
oh well, we kinda heavily outgear m0
restive flax
I'll follow your advice and pump some keys tonight with anima field emitter and stonelegion
outer solstice
btw, how hard is it for y'all to do PvP ? do you attempt to cap conquest or just don't bother at all?
or do some of you even to rated for better gear?
(stittign at 1800 atm)
I hear this "I have no time argument" all the time but can't really follow it, so I need some other PoVs
undone jacinth
I have time I just hate doing it
outer solstice
oh well that makes sense ^^
undone jacinth
pvp is mega boring
I’d only do it a lot if I was sure I’d get 2100 relatively quickly
outer solstice
yeah not gonna happen atm
there are a lot of really experienced PvP players in teh 1800-2100 bracket rn
outer solstice
that's why I play with one
undone jacinth
just so rotten to play against
void moat
@restive flax in case it wasnt mentioned yet. Emitter drops off very heavily in higher keys bc u spend A LOT of ur time kiting. Its essentially a dead effect on a large majority of content
Except raid tanking probably
Raid tanking its pretty alright
echo egret
I was told to not facetank the Vicious Gargons in HoA. I thought I could when they are not enraged ?
void moat
I im just saying its better than an effect u just dont use period
outer solstice
@echo egret they stack a bleed
jagged pier
@void moat but whtat trinkets do u use when kiting?
outer solstice
if you play kyrian you can use your phila to facetank them longer but even non-enraged they really really hit hart
void moat
Theres a lot of stuff u kite in general once ur hitting the 14s and 15s
jagged pier
yes
void moat
I use shattered heart of alar and the scale
outer solstice
@jagged pier on use DPS trinkets, that you can use to get more threat on the initial pull
echo egret
Kiting, the best skill of a tank 😦
void moat
Shattered heart gives us the xheta death that good ol DHs have
Or something heart of alar
Is fantastic
And yeah scale might as well be another CD defensive
jagged pier
okay sure thoughs trinkets are good but are you useing them when kiting?
void moat
Yes
jagged pier
your not though not like your gunna pop scale when your out of range of mobs
outer solstice
you use it before
jagged pier
and your not gunna proc death when kiting as you arent being hit
void moat
Scale gets me snap agro at pull and a buffer to not die. The heart of alar is more a mental thing. Knowing u have a cheat death enables a lot more risky plays without suffering a broken key
Its not the kiting thats hard. Its initial agro that might kill u
jagged pier
exactly my point you arent using them while kiting so u get no benefit from them
outer solstice
well if you used them before
jagged pier
which can be said about any trinket in the game
jagged pier
so you saying dont use x because your kiting is a irrelevant arugment
outer solstice
nop
short duration buffs or instant on use effects are better if you have to kite
void moat
As i said. Its somethint u should use if u can bc the only thing that breaks ur key is generally gonna be a dead tank. What makes DHs so strong is they uave that cheat death
Having it on a trinket is VERY USEFUL
static shore
Hello guys, im Druidvaper-Stormscale, a warrior tank currently with 9/10 HC hopefully today we clear HC content (fingers crossed). Im wondering since its my first time in tanking spec and also warrior, how can i sim like the resto of dps do? Is it possible for tanks? Why is the Shield wall legendary the best in raid condition and not the m+ that reduces the Shout and you will like it push it 150 times in a fight ?
void moat
That one item saves a run
jagged pier
your adding arguments on top of the orginial state
'Emitter drops off very heavily in higher keys bc u spend A LOT of ur time kiting. Its essentially a dead effect on a large majority of content'
outer solstice
@static shore the extra rage from "the wall" is HUUUUGE
void moat
U can argue up and down if it never gets used but at the end of the day i generslly does
void moat
I said high keys
jagged pier
as you arent blocking attacks
outer solstice
@static shore you can't sim 100% as we have to either spend rage offensively or defensively
void moat
Having that trinket goes a long way
jagged pier
im not disagreeing
static shore
Thank you very much @outer solstice
void moat
Then why extrapolate and extend the argument lol
jagged pier
im disagreeing with you saying it looses value because you kite, everything looses value due to kiting
outer solstice
because it's fun 😛
static shore
is there any list on the best in slot gear for raiding ? or best stats?
outer solstice
no, not everything looses value if you kite
void moat
It doesnt bc the place ur most likely to die is getting the agro at the start of a pull
outer solstice
is there any list on the best in slot gear for raiding ? or best stats?
check the pins for that
void moat
TO KITE u still need the get in the pack
static shore
im currently sitting with 15 versatility % and 15 haste % but with 12 crit at 207ilvl
outer solstice
15% haste sounds kinda low
jagged pier
right so thats where you say its better you go emitter isnt great because it doesnt help you to initally survive and get aggro compare to scale
void moat
And there are some brutal double pulls u need to pull off in high keyed content
outer solstice
right so thats where you say its better you go emitter isnt great because it doe...
scale will be on CD when you go kiting, so you had 100% of it's effect
jagged pier
plus all you said was emitter was bad you didnt give a suggestion for anything else till later on
void moat
Yeah
void moat
I even said its good for raid
static shore
i never used this platform and i straight went to icy veins, on the start of the expansion i wanted to do m+ so i was adviced to have 20% haster and same critical and so i did with 4% versatility but now in raid content i see top guild warriors with 10-13% haste/crit and 19+++ % versatility
So i sucrificed all my haste to upgrade my versa
outer solstice
that's mostly on their loot luck
don't forget they wear the best they can
not the best that is available
@static shore the icyveins guide is being maintained from someone in here, it's a good starting point
haste > versa
eager phoenix
for m+ you cant go wrong going ilvl>haste/vers. luckily the pvp vendor sells items with vers/haste and its going to be pretty dece ilvl if you can get 1600 rating at least (213 - same as hc drops and 3 more than what +15s drop). Haste/vers is also good for arms pvp so you can gear for two purposes buying the pvp stuff. keep in mind in raids they also running ITF so the haste will be higher in practice.
@static shore
outer solstice
unbuffed ^^
outer solstice
44% haste with itf ^^
strong forum
This dude playing bfa
outer solstice
and I turned down the haste/versa bracers BoE on 226
orchid frigate
i'm dreaming of getting to 1600 but all me and my team mate is facing is convoking druids 😦
strong forum
And we out here playing SL
orchid frigate
have some BoM
strong forum
Me:I want bom
Mom: we have bom at home
The bom at home:
outer solstice
orchid frigate
haha
strong forum
Ye but no mastery proc
outer solstice
she does
how much mastery do you get from pelegos mastery procc?
I get 300 mastery/30seconds + 12% max HP from niya every 1:15 + random stacks of 25 mastery and 1% HP for 30seconds
unique shale
outer solstice
unique shale
condenm for victory rush
restive flax
its appropriate
outer solstice
100%
restive flax
sadly
strong forum
I get 300 mastery/30seconds + 12% max HP from niya every 1:15 + random stacks of...
Oh really damn
That's broken wtf
viral garden
Is my RNG just that bad? I'm sitting at i208 level equipped by only 12% haste
Someone posted i210 with 31% haste lol, feel like I'm getting dumpstered
solemn magnet
I'm i183 with 22 haste. Must be bad luck
viral garden
I'm actually making a monk to tank, I haven't ever planned on tanking seriously with another toon since BC
signal plover
It's almost as if gear of similar item level has different secondary stats on it
strong forum
signal plover
cosmic oasis
sweet summit
outer solstice
Oh really damn
yeah niya is fun
outer solstice
yeah but it deals more damage than that tiny toothpick
and adds 300 mastery after you use it
for 30 seconds
modern brook
Only cause some furry at blizzard desperately wants to validate his fetishes.
outer solstice
for 10 seconds, is he?
strong forum
Depending on the orbs you pick up
outer solstice
ahy eah that's the thing where you have to collect stuff
steady spruce
Picking orbs is kinda impossible as prot i think
i mean you can but it makes the mobs move/ Change their orientation
wich you don't really want*
slate sandal
is port war worst tank in the game right now?
strong forum
No
outer solstice
no
steady spruce
DK Is i think
modern brook
Pour one out for the dead homies
steady spruce
might change with tunning
slate sandal
oh yeah Dk then prob war?
uneven mason
"worst"
modern brook
then vdh cause only noobs play it :kekw:
strong forum
No tank is really bad
modern brook
oh rip i ont hav nitro
steady spruce
in raid war might be S tier because DPS war sucks more than DK/Monk dps
strong forum
War is prolly tied with monk
sweet summit
All tanks are bad
Change my mind
strong forum
Tru actually
steady spruce
but in M+ we suck cause of magic damage
ebon hound
^ Sadge
strong forum
All tanks are actually poopy
uneven mason
If you're fixated on splitting hairs, warrior is probably 2nd strongest in raid, 3rd strongest "Tank" (not kiter damn VDH)
ebon hound
All tanks get clapped my magic dmg
uneven mason
but in M+ we suck cause of magic damage
We don't suck in M+
modern brook
I will never get the prot warrior cant handle magic damage mentality
uneven mason
And its not because of magic damage
the top keys on R.io are done using interesting mechanics
steady spruce
we don't suck but we have a harder time mitigating magic damage than other tanks, if i understood well
uneven mason
that have 0 to do with tank balance
sweet summit
Hate dumb stinky kiting meta shit
uneven mason
we don't suck but we have a harder time mitigating magic damage than other tanks...
You did not understand well
ebon hound
we don't suck but we have a harder time mitigating magic damage than other tanks...
We really dont, we have excellent tools for dealing with magic dmg
uneven mason
We don't have a ton on the leader boards because unlike Pal Dru and VDH we can't hold aggro well running away.
steady spruce
we also have great mobility wich is useful in raid and M+
slate sandal
i tank with a DH and he has way more survivabllity then
steady spruce
but in M+ we have a harder time keeping agro while kitting if we don't have our cd
steady spruce
an edgy noob
ebon hound
I've also tried to co-tank with DH's that didnt taunt for entire boss-fights. Playing DH doesnt make you good
strong forum
That's not the discussion
outer solstice
well.... we had a tank that didn't call for externals and jsut died all the time
that's why I am tankling now xD
uneven mason
amazing what happens when they build a tank that heals for the damage they do with basically shield wall on a 1min CD but it does damage.
makes AE Packs really easy
in raids though, my 2nd tank is running away form his VDH screaming
cause he gets mauled so bad
strong forum
Not to mention tattoos + conduits :)
sweet summit
Wish we had good conduits
outer solstice
- weird movement stuff
strong forum
It's just how it is, but they're still a weaker form of what tanks used to be
uneven mason
yeah
strong forum
It's so sad to see
uneven mason
Legion prot, never forget.
modern brook
Wish we had good conduits <:pepsihands:589678101446000670>
least we're not rogue T-T
outer solstice
gimme the heal aura from emerald nightmare back plz
strong forum
Blizz literally actively killing tanks enjoyment of the game
sweet summit
O yeah im gearing a rogue u have to coach me @modern brook
modern brook
step1: delete him and pick hunter
sweet summit
Oh ok
modern brook
rogue is omega stinky doodoo rn
strong forum
Literally going from tanks who don't need anybody, not even healers.
To, every tank needs healers but not 100% of the time.
To, every tank needs healers, needs to kite and needs good dps to kill the packs for them.
uneven mason
Yeah, at this point I'd settle for 8.1 prot
outer solstice
need 5 man to do 5 man content
sweet summit
We need sadge in skyhold
outer solstice
gasp
uneven mason
but with current 
modern brook
need 5 man to do 5 man content
thats being reductive tbh
the issue is that the tanks entire role is to be the guy that doesnt die
which is boring
sick sentinel
then again, tank spec is all about preventing damage to yourself and the group first and foremost
undone jacinth
Yeah, at this point I'd settle for 8.1 prot
Lmao
modern brook
especially when you're relying on xX420trickshotLORDXx -Ragnaros to hit his fucking kicks
sweet summit
Oh no not him
sick sentinel
not healing that damage but preventing as much of it from coming as possible through CD and kite, aggro, and cc
pseudo raptor
Please. Not him.
next copper
Kiting should only be the last resort, not the entirety of mechanical challenge.
strong forum
This
sweet summit
Yeo
modern brook
hang on i have a name for my hunter finally
sweet summit
200%
modern brook
And yeah totally agree
uneven mason
not healing that damage but preventing as much of it from coming as possible thr...
Prot is about reducing damage, VDH and DK are about healing it back up, Monk is about praying you can hold aggro without being 1 shot by the pack cuz blizzard hates you now, and Paladin is somewhere between all of those.
strong forum
And bear is just vibing
uneven mason
People play bear?
modern brook
bear druid has the coolest legendaries
sick sentinel
yes, people play bear tank loads, its just not a meta pick
modern brook
lol "rn"
strong forum
I played vdh all of legion and bfa
modern brook
you're not missing out
sick sentinel
is DH like old school rogue at all?
modern brook
no
undone jacinth
DH is always fun imo, mobility and utility = fun
jagged pier
i like fel dev being base line
sick sentinel
i played really old rogue
strong forum
Nothing
sweet summit
Bring back shear spam!
undone jacinth
still fun to jump around
strong forum
You kite
Na, the HP flipflop isn't for me
I want spb big damage, not this soul cleave sleep shit
ocean bloom
When I started prot warr I was wondering why my parses were so low and it was cuz I was missing like 40 execute casts compared to others with similar kill times lol
undone jacinth
I don’t think you’ll enjoy bear if you don’t like DH lol
outer solstice
bouncing HP bars are scary
outer solstice
also while offtank going in cat
strong forum
Barkskin leggo having
outer solstice
and doign weird shit
sick sentinel
i just like being able to run around and hit things with shield and then not die
strong forum
Owl weaving big dick
sick sentinel
that's all it is really
next copper
VDH plays a bit like old Prot warrior, just more sustain instead of Ignore Pains.
outer solstice
oh yeah owlweaving is a thingk I forgot
undone jacinth
convoke is the most fun spell in the game but in terms of ur actual tanking it is very plain
strong forum
Not if you owlconvoke
undone jacinth
ur doing even less than DH
outer solstice
yeah I think bear is the most fun if you're offtank
strong forum
Than just soulcleave
modern brook
bro you wanna know the most shallow thing in the world?
outer solstice
*gasp
modern brook
I love cat weaving, and i hate owl weaving
sick sentinel
i would be so dissapointed if they somehow made it so that NF wasn't good for most of the specs.
modern brook
and the entire reason for it is that my owlform hot key is slightly less conveninent to press
sick sentinel
for druid
undone jacinth
At start of patch people thought NF actually wasn’t as good as some others
modern brook
NF conduits need to be brought in line TBH
strong forum
I mean same with hpal
Everybody was kyrian
Until limit unzipped the venthyr machines
undone jacinth
ppl are going back kyrian now
outer solstice
xD
undone jacinth
on palas
sick sentinel
i'm staying strong with kyrian unless there is very good reason for me to switch
for pw
strong forum
Too add onto me finding bear more fun than vdh*
I also just hate fotm and like underdogs more
And bear is somewhat of an underdog
So it's instantly a bit cooler
undone jacinth
so do I that’s why I literally rerolled from BFA DH to Bear this xpac lol
just trying to dampen your hopes
I play my warrior when I wanna have fun tanking over my bear
convoke novelty wears off after a while
apart from in mists
undone jacinth
first boss convoke never gets old
strong forum
Was ready to quit like 17 times by now
sick sentinel
nah it's still a new expansion to me
undone jacinth
SL is owning in my mind
sick sentinel
hell i wouldnt even call bfa old really,
modern brook
Was ready to quit like 17 times by now
I saw those streams ::^(
undone jacinth
apart from m+ gearing everything is great
strong forum
It is
sick sentinel
i still think m+ is just fine, i seen so many people get legendaries
modern brook
historically has been my favorite content
undone jacinth
same
modern brook
yeah just hop on dumpster a pug on the meters and go home
you cant do that this expac
signal plover
M+ end of run and raid loot each getting bumped up by one item would help a lot tbh
modern brook
I've ran +4s where we had a death counter fo 45 and still +2
sick sentinel
the great thing about m+ is if you know the group isn't shit, you know you will get done in 20-30 minutes at the very most and can just repeat foreer
signal plover
Gearing pace is about my only gripe atm
modern brook
which is just mind numbing to me how willing people are to ignore mechanics
modern brook
M+ end of run and raid loot each getting bumped up by one item would help a lot ...
hard agree tbh
pseudo raptor
Mythics are mechanics heavy this expac. Or at least that’s how it feels.
modern brook
2s/3s have been fun
actually though
undone jacinth
not just mechanics but punishing mechanics
modern brook
PVP is so good this expac and thats coming from me :^(
signal plover
Ya 3s as arms has been a blast
undone jacinth
BFA had a lot of stuff but it wasn’t as outright punishing when failed
strong forum
Bosses harder hps checks than ever
sick sentinel
i mean, how bad are mechanics for tank anyways? position the mobs correctly, don't stand in circles, run out if you have a debuff
strong forum
And dps checks
modern brook
ESP on tyranical
uneven mason
I think one of the main reasons why I dislike many M+ is there is a ton of "Reduced healing by X amount" effects that we can do literally nothing against
pseudo raptor
Yeah maybe that’s it. If you missed a mechanic in bfa it wasn’t as punishing overall. This expac makes m+ feel like mini raids.
uneven mason
since IP doesn't remove it
IN this Xpac if a DPS screws up, it can kill other people.
sick sentinel
only dungeon i won't touch is plaguefall, that place can go fuck itself
pseudo raptor
Yes.
undone jacinth
i mean, how bad are mechanics for tank anyways? position the mobs correctly, don...
the mechanics are bad because if your group fails them you die and you can’t carry them on a lot of them
undone jacinth
PF is about route
uneven mason
PF is about them "Fun detected" on the best rout
modern brook
and not standing in the mismatched tentacle hitboxes
undone jacinth
dungeon is easy apart from last boss hps
strong forum
I just dislike that dungeons are less about tank
uneven mason
and not standing in the mismatched tentacle hitboxes
They adjusted the effect to be from the center of the pool now (to avoid cheesing it from there) but didn't adjust the graphic +++ developers
pseudo raptor
On the last boss in PF I suddenly can’t remember my left from right.
strong forum
As tank you have little control over the outcome of a dungeon, you can't carry anything besides pull patterns and not dying
I feel like
uneven mason
yup
undone jacinth
yeah tanks really don’t feel impactful
strong forum
It's way more hps and dps
modern brook
YEah thats my experience tbh
uneven mason
don't have the oomph to finish a boss
undone jacinth
if your dps are bad, you are gonna die
if your hps is bad, your dps are gonna die
sick sentinel
i feel like that is wrong attitude, because you can always reposition better so melee doesn't get cleaved , or its easier to do Y mechanic
uneven mason
used to be even in BFA if the healer or most DPS died at like 20%< could prob carry the ifght through
strong forum
Na, ultimately, its legit down to your dps and healer. At the higher levels
pseudo raptor
Do you think they made dps more impactful so they share the burden with tanks and healers for success?
strong forum
Idk
uneven mason
i feel like that is wrong attitude, because you can always reposition better so ...
No you can't lol most bosses "Cleave" have them breaking off from following you
undone jacinth
no they just didn’t want tanks to be as powerful
sick sentinel
well, true, if i'm doing as much dps as bottom dps, we aint timing that key for sure
uneven mason
BFA prot...if the rest of the group was doing what you were doing combined, then it was a good run.
undone jacinth
I think they wanted to try and make the tank role more engaging by putting us under actual threat but the effect it’s had is making people kite, which makes good players hate tanking lol
pseudo raptor
It’s a double edged sword. You want dps to do high damage but also keep interrupting. Most dps don’t kick because it pauses their damage but you can’t just damage through as many mechanics as in the past.
uneven mason
It’s a double edged sword. You want dps to do high damage but also keep interrup...
literally not on the GCD
sweet summit
kick does not pause dps, only if youre a stinky caster
pseudo raptor
Oh I know that. And you know that.
sweet summit
and if you are you deserve it
pseudo raptor
I’m trying to work dps logic cause why else not kick? Cause maaaaaan the lack of dps kicks is brutal.
sick sentinel
how about DH that immediately eyebeams, gets aggro, doesn't interupt cast and dies, that one is a classic
undone jacinth
back when eye beam did damage xd
sick sentinel
that was a huge problem for me in bfa.
undone jacinth
that’s why you had a rogue in every group
uneven mason
back when eye beam did damage xd
Its literally all that does damage for them at the moment.
undone jacinth
if only they did damage!
uneven mason
yeah like every minute they get to Eyebeam and show up
next copper
Glaive Tempest is pretty insane.
fierce tendon
If you kick you're interrupting a cast, which would reflect negatively on dmg obviously
can't do it
sick sentinel
there was one +15 UR i ran and the dh was like yeah yeah stfu i know what i'm doing.
start key > dh stands in puke from maggot dies, rage quit 2 minutes later
modern brook
classic BFA player tbh
pseudo raptor
Man they rage quit so good.
modern brook
"excuse me i have 4000 mastery i dont need to know how to play"
pseudo raptor
If I’m dying it’s clearly gotta be everyone else’s fault.
steady spruce
I want to clean all +15 as prot so i can then switch venthyr and focus on raids as arms
But feels bad i invested so much on the blue boys
uneven mason
on the 2 ST Fights I suppose
steady spruce
i'm gonna sim a cleave fight to see
not really the place to discuss that, but look at the parses on stone legion, left is top venthyr arms, right is top kyrian $
strong forum
Balanced, as all things should be
steady spruce
i don't expect blizzard to do a covenant tunning tho
strong forum
That being said, kyrian is better in m+
uneven mason
☝️
steady spruce
but also who looks at M+ parses 😄
uneven mason
Condemn fury is actually a pumper in m+
Can't wait for tuesday
when I can put the offhander back in
steady spruce
Won't they add any other change to this tunning?
strong forum
I still hate fury and they belong in the trash
strong forum
But, condemning 55% of the time and WW weaving that
Is all right damage
I hate Fury rotation
It's so dumb
I hate everything about fury
But that's offtopic
uneven mason
Sounds like you have a lot of rage
strong forum
I'm a pvp player at heart, ofc I hate fury
oblique marsh
Just wondering, would Shield Block mitigate any of the damage taken during intervene or the Bodyguard PvP talent? I'm assuming Ignore Pain and Shield Wall can? Also is there anything else that can help when using those two skills?
fierce tendon
Fury would be so fun in pvp if they didn't crumple in .01 seconds
strong forum
Yes SB works with intervene
steady spruce
just to close the subject, on sims cleave add Venthyr is 6.5% better than arms to me
strong forum
Yeah but that's 1 add
jagged pier
i got to 1800 as fury in nyalothia teir just saying
steady spruce
yeah
uneven mason
I'm a pvp player at heart, ofc I hate fury
You can accept its generally the best PVE spec, while still showing arms who your favorite is
I won't PVP as fury (I did for a bit in legion because of meme 1 shot burst)
But arms is chunkin in 3s right now.
strong forum
Fury is historically not the better pve spec either
uneven mason
Historically it is
strong forum
It's 50-50
uneven mason
more like 75/25
strong forum
Naa
uneven mason
Arms generally leads for the first tier
strong forum
Fury are the same people as bdk people
steady spruce
not on classic 😄
strong forum
"surely fury/bdk is better now"
steady spruce
Fury is best Dps and tank spec on classic 🙂
strong forum
"surely it'll be meta now"
"what are you thoughts on bdk/fury"
"this is it, this is the fury/bdk tier"
Even when they're the worst specs in the game by far
sweet summit
FURY BUFFS INC FURY BIS NOW?!?!?
steady spruce
"will method and limits take 4 furys in their roster or is the spec still trash tier?"
uneven mason
Method too busy chasing schoolgirls
strong forum
Even when they're the worst specs in the game, there are still 80% more bdks and fury warriors than other specs