protection

[tepid barn]

ok cool, for reference, my vers is at 9.98%

[sweet summit]

doesnt change anything 👍

[tepid barn]

Solid, thanks man

[placid oar]

Is the disparity between tanks so wide that there are no warrior tanks in a +20 key and above? Even DKs are represented☹️

[tardy parcel]

DOS question: is it better to lust on the first pack at the bottom of the stairs, or the pack prior to the ZG wing (with the Shadowcore boi)? I asked for lust on the latter - the group prior to ZG - but my healer was uncomfortable with it because he had seen Echo members (I think?) using lust on the first big pack instead.

[lavish oracle]

Nah, we're just always super unpopular unless we're fotm

[tardy parcel]

As a warrior I despise that pack before ZG

[placid oar]

I’m gonna stick through. Just feels kinda demoralizing to see my fav class being treated this way by blizz on PVE where we are like the only class with no outstanding spec (e.g. DH have Tank, Druids have Boomies, DKs have UH while every spec of ours kinda feel below the mid table on logs and perception)

[steel mauve]

tank balance is fairly close in terms of performance, just people want fotm or just watch inaccurate youtube tier lists

[lavish oracle]

Representation has never and never will have anything to do with class balance

[placid oar]

I dunno if there is actually a class in game without a outstanding spec other than us

[lavish oracle]

(Or rather they're loosely related but not in a way that matters)

[placid oar]

I see

Thanks guys

Sry for rants

Just looking at raider io and pugging etc makes me sad looking at how my fav class is being treated.

I don’t want to be OP. Just a decent viable chance to compete fairly

[solar crown]

Pin it?

[lavish oracle]

For example, prot Paladin is almost twice as popular as bear but times fewer 15+ keys

(According to subcreation, anyways)

[solar crown]

@undone sun was supposed to go you, but apparently i cant reply to an image

[placid oar]

our dmg seems the most underwhelming when compared to the other tanks. Is that why we are unpopular ?

[steel mauve]

blizz cant do any thing about perception, and performance wise we are actually up there, and fairly strong physical wise and we have a really good spell in spell reflect

[placid oar]

Okay I see

[lavish oracle]

Our ST is very underwhelming, I think our AoE is stronger than blood

[placid oar]

I see

Thanks again guys

Have a great day and stay safe

[steel mauve]

unpopular because dps mains who dont tank make tank tierlists for views and rate what they think is our capabilities

[lavish oracle]

Wouldn't mind a slight damage buff

[placid oar]

Me too

[steel mauve]

but yes our aoe dps is really good, our ST isnt great

[lavish oracle]

Naaah, even when we're middle of the pack on tier lists we're the least popular, haha

[modern brook]

Problem is that prot warrior has to understand its spec in order to he on pace with other tanks tbh

A shitty vdh is miles ahead of a shitty prot

You get the 2 heads spamming up, sets a bad taste for redditors

[lavish oracle]

The cheat death helps with that :P

[steel mauve]

we have extremely low lows but we also have really high highs, a shitty prot will stand out more than most any other tank spec

[modern brook]

Suddenly you dont get invites to pugs

I dont thinknour highs are that high tbh, but yeah prot fine

You just need to play it

[placid oar]

I am enjoying the spec and class a lot

But yea, it is a rough period

[solar crown]

Get a group instead of pugging, problem solved

[placid oar]

Easy said than done sometimes

But yea

[civic rover]

i mean

[modern brook]

Snot that rough tbh, playing with redditors isn't something you wanna do anyways

[civic rover]

the problem is more that all the tanks are shit

lol

[lavish oracle]

I think all the tanks are more than capable of 20+ this season, just None of the high key pushers are playing warrior

[civic rover]

prot has its own issues, but a lot of the big ones are applying to all the tanks right now

[lofty thistle]

A shit dk is prob way worse off then a shit war

[civic rover]

a shit DK is a dps trying to tank

[modern brook]

Honestly they're probably on par

[civic rover]

no not really

[modern brook]

A prot warrior without block is probably as fucking dead as a mismanaged bdk right now

[civic rover]

no

prot has miles better armor/strength

[lavish oracle]

Prot at least has good base armor

[modern brook]

Ah yeah true

[civic rover]

but anyways... the main problem with tanking overall is

[lofty thistle]

Yeah man when I heal you can tell the bad tanks and let me tell you bad dks are the worst thing ever

[civic rover]

1. tanks aren't tanky enough, and they have to kite a lot. it isn't fun.

2. the dungeons are extremely tank unfriendly. there's a lot of unavoidable bleeds/curses/poisons, and missed interrupts can hurt a lot.

[lavish oracle]

I don't even think that's a tank design issue

That's a dungeon design issue

[modern brook]

I mean really it's a shitty dps issue

[civic rover]

3. tanks are ridiculously reliant on the group being good because of how many kicks are needed at times and how much damage those casts can do due to tanks not being tanky, making pugging god awful.

[lavish oracle]

Kite-heavy gameplay is entirely a product of dungeon design this xpac

[modern brook]

This speaks to my soul

[civic rover]

2 and 3 are fixed by having a good group, but not everyone is fortunate enough to play with a regular group of people.

and there's nothing wrong with kiting, but a lot of people just don't like having to kite literally every 15-20 seconds just to not die.

[lavish oracle]

Like, we're plenty tanky, they've just designed a stupid high number of mobs to truck tanks

[civic rover]

that's one way to look at it yeah

at the end of the day... prot definitely has some problems but i've found a lot of them apply to tanking in general, but that's my experience and I don't play at a super high level, so YMMV.

[lavish oracle]

Part of that compounds on warrior because the way they usually do that is to give a mob a bleed or a big magic hit, which hits us right in our pain points

[civic rover]

all tanks are weak to those by design doe

[lavish oracle]

Sure, but they have strong self-healing tools

We have tools for it too, but they're a little less uhh...universal?

[modern brook]

Our tools fuck tho

Spell reflect alone is probably one of the most busted cds available to a tank

[civic rover]

but keep in mind, tanks like paladin, BDK, and VDH have self heals because their mitigation is kinda poopy

[lavish oracle]

Some of this shit we can spell reflect is pretty sick, yeah

[civic rover]

but yeah, prot is a little more weak to those bleeds than others you could totally argue that.

[modern brook]

Demoshout also high key too good

[lavish oracle]

VDH mitigation is good, they just have low uptime

[civic rover]

yeah that's why it's kinda poopy

it's great for the 6 seconds it's up tho

[lavish oracle]

And with fiery brand build that doesn't matter so much

How does fiery brand interact with bleeds anyways?

[sweet summit]

same way demo shout does 👀

[civic rover]

[lavish oracle]

I'm not entirely clear on that either, haha

Does it reduce damage at the time of application?

Or can you reduce it while it's ticking

[undone sun]

isn't it for the duration of the buff, regardless of application

[sweet summit]

it does not snapshot

[lavish oracle]

That would make the most sense but sometimes wow is held together by duct tape

[sand condor]

alright friends, wish me luck, tonight is the night i return to prot warrior raiding.

i have the wall

and i am ready

[civic rover]

im not raiding probably ever again

lol

good luck though friend

[open monolith]

I didn't want to raid at all this tier

but then I tried it (and also m+ loot is a joke)

and I really like all of the fight designs this time around

so I'm gonna keep raiding

[civic rover]

im a manager now so my schedule changes every couple of months

[open monolith]

I feel you. We do shift bids every 6 months here

[civic rover]

it's okay though i love work

[lavish oracle]

I'd probably raid as DPS but tanking raid always bores me to death

[azure sparrow]

How hard is tanking M+ as Venthyr? I wanted to tank some runs for my guild and Prot would be my offspec.

[open monolith]

You might as well not have a covenant 🙂

except on boss fights.

[civic rover]

not having the kyrian pot will kinda suck

[azure sparrow]

I figured as much lol

[open monolith]

Doable, but certainly more challenging than with NF or Kyrian

[civic rover]

but realistically, you'll go big dps on bosses

like you're gonna do 7k dps singletarget

[lavish oracle]

It won't keep you from timing dungeons, but it is worse

[civic rover]

so if it's tyrannical venthyr might slap

[jagged pier]

you will still be able to do your weekly key fine

the only time it will effect you is if you push

and dont press condemn in aoe

[shrewd geode]

What do you guys do for hungering destroyer when you tank it?

[jagged pier]

sb

and IP

[shrewd geode]

Like

When he casts overwhelming on you

or

[jagged pier]

i mean its blockable

so have sb up

[shrewd geode]

ohhh ok sick

didnt know that xD

[sterile moss]

You can reflect the orbs too

[shrewd geode]

i did know that lol

[sterile moss]

Ir deflect I guess

[shrewd geode]

suprisingly xD

[valid scaffold]

What leggo are you guys running in m+? im using the avatar+Rek or Blade as prote

[jagged pier]

the wall

[valid scaffold]

is thunderlord better in dmg?

[tender kraken]

u putting the wall on shoulders or cloak? or doesnt matter?

[jagged pier]

shoulders

[tender kraken]

haste/versa ye?

[jagged pier]

yes

[tender kraken]

ty

[valid scaffold]

is the thunderclap build good enough or just forget about and go Ravager?

[jagged pier]

forget that build

its aweful

[tender kraken]

what builds u guys use for m+?

[sweet summit]

ravager bolster

[jagged pier]

^^

[tender kraken]

davastator?

[sweet summit]

ye

[tender kraken]

devastator*

booming or dragon?

[sweet summit]

bv

[jagged pier]

^^

[scarlet copper]

any venthyr tanks here? what's the most effective way of using Condemn?

[jagged pier]

its fien on ST

[sweet summit]

pretty much just dont use it on hard packs

on easy packs you can snipe some

on bosses you just replace IP with condemn

[thin nexus]

does ignore pain and spell reflect absorb non targetted boss damage? like something like the acid rain on the last boss of PF

[candid meadow]

Little late to the party on this one, but the top raider.io Prot Warrior in the world currently is Venthyr so you'll be fine.

[lime urchin]

wait, yall play bounding stride instead of crackling thunder in m+?!

[jagged pier]

yer

[lime urchin]

I am fairly new - why is that?

50% extra clapping space is nice, no?

[jagged pier]

its not needed

and kiting meta is a thing

[lime urchin]

ah yes, thanks!

[lunar perch]

go fast die slower

:D

[lofty widget]

are there any SL-equivalent of the living action potions?

[jagged pier]

of what?

[lofty widget]

the potions that makes you immune to stuns for a couple seconds

[jagged pier]

i doubt it

[sick sentinel]

are those worth the investment for keys

[astral crystal]

is there a way to bug out the final corridor in SD?

[sterile moss]

Yes

[thin nexus]

thanks bud

[sterile moss]

It seems like they’re getting different people to do these weekly m+ evaluations. I’ve seen the author for this week’s article streaming. He does pretty high keys as a boomy.

[green fjord]

as prot, we dont have self healing like some other tanks, do we just rely on the healer for our healing and worry about mitigation only

i havent tanked yet, im just messing around on dummies and trying to get an idea how it workd

[ionic fern]

Roughly, yes.
We have some steady tiny heals via Indom and Victory Rush can be used when you land the killing blow but that's about it.

We are all about mitigating the damage.

[green fjord]

mmmm alright, so through ignore pain and demoralizing shout and stuff

[ionic fern]

Mainly Shield Block.

[green fjord]

sheild block

yeah just remembered that lol

so is there a timing to sheild block or do we just try and haver it up at all times

[ionic fern]

You aim to have as high effective Shield Block uptime as possible.

[green fjord]

id just like to be able to actually swap to tank if my raid or something needs it right, feels lame being a warrior and not klnowing prot

alright thanks a lot man

might jump ionto some mythic zeroes and just try it out

[sterile moss]

Effective = when receiving blockable damage. Mainly autos

[green fjord]

yeah so u prob shouldnt cast block is mobs are casting stuff

kind of be wasted then

[sterile moss]

Yeah exactly. You want to take advantage of any windows in incoming physical damage to allow sb to recharge

Haste is great because it reduces recharge time

[green fjord]

mm okay, raid and m+ talent setup much different? ill go have a look on wowhead now anyway n see

[sterile moss]

Just note that wowhead recommends unstoppable force, and in this channel there's basically a consensus that uf is the worst talent in that tier

[green fjord]

lmao alrtight thanks good to know that

[undone sun]

IV is the preferred here anyways

[green fjord]

is sheild wall like an oh shit button\

[undone sun]

there are no oh shit buttons

[sweet summit]

its just a "tank cd"

[green fjord]

4 minute cd on shield wall though seems like a cd youd only use during some insane tank buster stuff

or to keep you alive if your low health

[undone sun]

doesn't make it an oh shit, it's a normal cooldown to use proactively

[ionic fern]

If you're low on HP you already missed the time to use SW.

[green fjord]

alright, ill have to just run like normal CN and some m0s to get a feel for everything of course. thanks for the info

[signal plover]

FYI we'd recommend the icy veins prot guide > wowhead

[green fjord]

alright thanks, was just looking at wowheads but ill check out icy veins

[tardy sequoia]

Guys what’s a good mythic plus composition? I mean classes who can actively compensate with our weaknesses?

[sick sentinel]

al'ar

[lusty ember]

Rogue always good in M+ for stealth and soothe, something with lust is nice.

A brez. I like healthstones quite a lot but you lose a more reliable interrupt

[sterile moss]

I find it funny how icy veins' prot guide lists our mobility as a pro, and then in its tank tier list says we have bad mobility

[sand condor]

oh lord i am struggling

[sterile moss]

Not sure how the latter author came to the conclusion that we have bad mobility

[sand condor]

venthyr tanking.

fun but not great

[tardy sequoia]

And as a healer?

[lusty ember]

I like resto shaman for tremor and spirit link. Tremor + beserker rage and fear is no longer an issue. But there's an argument for any of them really.

Shaman if you need lust, druid if you need brez/soothe

[twilit siren]

Is there any tactic for general kaal at SD mythic 12++??? I heard that you can pull him back to boss 3 zone and nuke him. It’s that possible?

[jagged pier]

well as he goes immune at 90 and runs to the next pack

i doubt it

[buoyant patrol]

Hey is it just me or is it hard to get in 14-15 as prot? Got 1k2 RIO and it is miserable for me out there

[jagged pier]

community perception my dude

[lusty ember]

It's tough all over. Those with the keys are guarding them zealously

Meta spec or die

[sterile moss]

Does anyone know if the cap on IP is still 1.3 times its initial value? I started using a WA to track the current absorb value relative to the max, and the bar display fills up only halfway when I cast IP

[sweet summit]

its 2 times now

[sterile moss]

nice, that's good news

[tardy sequoia]

Can you pug 10+ keys?

In time

[jagged pier]

yep

you can pug 14 and 15s in time

if your good enough

[sterile moss]

I do, and I'm relatively new to prot warrior

Question: When not actively tanking a raid boss, which does more damage... casting a SB to increase shield slam dmg or 2 revenges?

[sweet summit]

can easily do the math by looking at the tooltips

[sterile moss]

I guess so. Just wondering if there's a general practice, since it's a pretty common scenario

[sweet summit]

me smash revenj

[sterile moss]

Me too. Was surprised that icy veins recommends shield blocking

[jagged pier]

because its better in general

as it will keep you alive

if you actively tanking

you want to SB

[sweet summit]

if youre not

tanking

is the question

[tardy sequoia]

and how do you kite? i try to leap away from mobs after shockwave and tclap but they reach me in no time

plus magic magic destroys me from distance

[sweet summit]

ideally you have people in the group that can assist you

[jagged pier]

you run out of range

[sweet summit]

like binding shot

vortex

piercing howl

etc

[sullen valve]

anyone want more info

[tardy sequoia]

reflect is on cd and pummel aswell

[undone sun]

keep running so they dont reach you

[sweet summit]

@sullen valve does it do the same if youre using thunderlord?

[sullen valve]

its going to

i literally just finished the wall

[undone sun]

chop chop 👏

[sterile moss]

nice stuff

[tardy sequoia]

sometimes healer can't reach me or dps angry because, well, they can't DPS

[undone sun]

run around in circles

[tardy sequoia]

i tried but if i do a circle mobs will cut through it

really i am quite desperate

[undone sun]

wider circles so they're more tailing you instead of tight circles so they just turn

[sterile moss]

You can try either intervening first for more distance or intervening back and then leaping forward when they catch up

[tardy sequoia]

i'll try that tactic

[sand condor]

are you making a wa for that

cus thats awesome

[sullen valve]

Anyone got a thunderlord log for me

[sweet summit]

ill find a random one

sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g9WqxHQYaV8j7bv6#fight=12&type=summary&source=4

[sullen valve]

boom

[sweet summit]

!!

[sullen valve]

look what happens when @ionic fern gives me a todo list

[tardy sequoia]

and what to do when losing aggro when leaping away?

like 2-3 mobs get away

[sweet summit]

heroic throw/taunts

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

challenging first as well

[tardy sequoia]

yeah im talking when taunt/challenging shout is on cd

[sullen valve]

That was all right mwahi

[ocean bloom]

gotta throw or get a bit more aggro before leacing

[undone sun]

if they're still alive, your group is shit

[ocean bloom]

leapin

[sullen valve]

I can now push my commit

[undone sun]

taunt leap taunt, HL resets taunt

[ionic fern]

Ooh. 😦

THat's a sad commit

It's wrong tho .. 🙂

[sullen valve]

😊

[ionic fern]

I want more things..besides you.

[tardy sequoia]

i can't be unlucky and always joining shitty groups can I? there must be something i do wrong

[ionic fern]

You can. 🙂

I only yesterday found a solid PuG group for the first time in SL.

[jagged pier]

i mean pugs around 7-10 are gernally not great

[tardy sequoia]

i do run keys in the 9/10/11 range

[jagged pier]

like today i was in an 11 and the rogue kept running over me with quaking

then the healer complained i kept dropping low in quaking

[ionic fern]

We had a monk doing like 6.9k overall.

WHich was eyeopening .

😂

[sweet summit]

nice

[tardy sequoia]

i'm stuck at this rio

https://raider.io/characters/eu/nemesis/Malaachi

yesterday a rogue at a +11 was doing 2k damage

[sullen valve]

Then go do 8 of mists and snag

then do 9s of the ones that are at 8

[tardy sequoia]

let me tell you about my groups

first dungeon was a +10 mists, depleted because we keep wiping at first pull despite me having aggroed all the mobs

like istantly

[jagged pier]

so just because u having aggro doesnt mean your not going to wipe

[sweet summit]

first pull in mists, the casters cast on random targets

so just because you have aggro

they can cast on other people

[tardy sequoia]

NOBODY interrupted, NOBODY besides me

[jagged pier]

so a usual pug then

[tardy sequoia]

2nd depleted key was a NW, last pull before Amarth

necromancer

i dont remember the class member but he CCed some mobs and tell me "don't do aoe"

how do i get aggro?

really?

[ionic fern]

That's what you do on that pull in most pugs tho. 👀

You CC the mage

To make it easier.

[tardy sequoia]

but shout was on cd, how would I get aggro?

maybe i could've throwed..?

[ionic fern]

You can still use your AoE abilities - just not exactly next to the CC'ed guy.

[sullen valve]

Okay its official. i have merged the PR to push prot warrior to 9.0.2 on wowA. This means in like 15 minutes it should be live on the site

[undone sun]

👏

[sweet summit]

finally i can git gud

[undone sun]

well

maybe

[sullen valve]

That includes the lego stats n stuff

[sweet summit]

i man can hope 😔

[sullen valve]

He can. But it doesn't mean its logical

[tardy sequoia]

really i try to watch all of Sense's vids on youtube and replicate them on my warr

i like get brutally crushed

[jagged pier]

yer i wouldnt do that

as thats his group

and how they tackle the dungeon

1 they are not a pug they are an organized group

and 2

different group sets ups do things differently

[tardy sequoia]

you're right

[jolly spindle]

wtf is this trinket

[astral crystal]

did they fix NW second boss trap bug?

[jolly spindle]

is this any good for prot

[jagged pier]

its trash

[jagged pier]

i fuking hope not

[jolly spindle]

this feels like a trolling trinket

there u cast this on ur hunter or whatever

and walk into some mechanic

[karmic plinth]

i do that in pugs

[zenith monolith]

Is rip soul not reflectable anymore in Huntsman Mythic ?

[twilit siren]

is it correct that if in the gauntlet in SD, if you pull Kaal back to the third boss room, that you can just blast him down to 70% and do the gauntlet without having to face Kaal again?

[jagged pier]

no

as i said ealier at 90 %

she goes immune

and runs to the next pack

[open monolith]

I have heard that before, TeoAngel

I have never tested it

[jagged pier]

well i forgot the narru today

so kited back

when she hit 90

she ran off

[chilly brook]

Tanking is deeply dependent on your group

[open monolith]

Yep.

Group with shit dps? Get ready to take a lot of damage for a long time.

Group that doesn't interrupt? Get ready to fall over.

Tanks aren't what they used to be...

[chilly brook]

I had a rude reminder of that in my NW 15 last night

Group had lower dps than I'm used to

Told them to hold the spears on the necro boi before the second boss

Basically killed the key

But what you pull and how you pull is gonna really depend on your group

[young glen]

I keep getting wrecked in DoS on the platforms.

I simply hate that dungeon

[chilly brook]

@undone sun how bad is convoke in bear form? Should it basically only be cast in boomy?

[undone sun]

dps wise, yeah

[astral crystal]

KSM

more like KMS, but it's finally fucking done

[undone sun]

it's not terrible, but owlconvoke is quite strong

[muted pendant]

Does anyone else has the feeling that tanking doesn’t feel very rewarding? Especially since you don’t have any influence if your group can time a key when one single dps, who appears to have a good io score, fucks everything up. This together with the low drop rate of loot in M+ (2 items when timed only 1 when depleted) and the raid, no way to work towards a certain item, I don’t know how often I’ve done DoS now but have never seen the trinket outside my first HC run as a fresh lvl 60. Even though the the vault is much better than the weekly cheat in BFA, but still bad if you’re just unlucky. Since two weeks I’m staying around 203 ilvl with no way of any advancement towards higher ilvl gear. It all comes down to the fact that if you have a full group for M+ and a guild for the raid you’ll be fine - most of the time at least. Since we are only five friends and often have to rely on 1-2 random dps when not everyone is there at the same time it’s always the randoms that fuk our run up. Some times by just doing less dps than I as a prot warrior. They might have a good io score (ranging from 800-999) but io score is nothing you can rely on as far as my experience goes. After I joined a pug to push a +9 HoA and the two hunters in the group didn’t even know they can outrange the trash from the Halkis mob or dropping the zones from 1st boss everywhere so that no one in the end has space to avoid the light and then dps started dying in the boss fight (come on, it’s not even tyrannical and HoA is the second easiest dungeon...)
I don’t know what else to do than just start leaving groups the moment I see the dmg is too low or ppl are not kicking properly. I myself hate those kind of players but you don’t get punished from the game for leaving and as a tank you’ll always find a new group very fast. I feel like I’ll have to resort to that if I have to pug a key and don’t wanna waste my rare free time to play a game I pay for.

[chilly brook]

Lust the trash before ZG wing

[astral crystal]

damn that's a good pasta

[chilly brook]

Save your big defensives for that trash specifically

The second death speaker pack heroic throw and dip down the stairs by the urn

NF boi should hit the urn when they're near

Boom just fixed your problems

[chilly brook]

I'm jealous

[open monolith]

TL;DR?

[chilly brook]

No, as I've gotten more gear I feel like I have a lot of influence and I'm not nearly as helpless as I once was

I'm ending dungeons anywhere from 3.3-3.8k overall

Is the gear situation shit? Yes

Also on the subject of halkis

If theres stuff all over where he is it's your job to move him

[jagged pier]

is there a TL

DR of that

im not reading that

[chilly brook]

Basically tldr is dungeons suck in his opinion and offer no reward

[jagged pier]

everyone is entitled to their opinion i guess

[chilly brook]

Also in my experience people with io usually know what they're doing

It's not a guarentee but being picky with your invites goes a long way

[muted pendant]

I’m moving him a lot, but in that particular run the dps still died. One hunter even ran outside the circle and pulled the gargoyle so I was tanking the boss and the gargoyle...

[muted pendant]

I’m not asking you to.

[chilly brook]

Pro tip, keep him where he is for the first few seconds

[astral crystal]

he so cute bois

[chilly brook]

5-8 seconds before the sunlight retractions move him to the middle

[astral crystal]

it's finally ogre

[chilly brook]

I'm very jealous

[astral crystal]

wasn't running signet tho so not sure how i got it :^))))) Kapper

[muted pendant]

Exactly what I do. I just used this low key run as an example for pugs in general

[chilly brook]

Low key runs are a shit show period

Always have been

Always will be

Low keys are like playing a competitive pvp game at like silver level

People are dumb and they're gonna fuck you

Its your job to mitigate that risk as much as possible and get out of that range of keys

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The quality of players doing 10s and the quality of players doing 9s are leagues different

[jagged pier]

9/10 and 12s i would say

[chilly brook]

Out of all the pugs I've done I've only had like 2 players that didnt belong in the 12-14 range

[jagged pier]

^^

[chilly brook]

But I'm very picky

I wont even take a majority of our raid team tbh

Outside of a select few people from the guild I'll pug over my guild

[muted pendant]

I’m trying that. Most ppl focus on io score and if you haven’t timed that specific dungeon on a 10 then I most of the time don’t get invited or in the end they end up the same players that do the +9 shitshow. I probably just have too high expectations on players in this game and on top of that I end up being unlucky - with loot and players 🤷🏻‍♂️

[chilly brook]

Because I dont trust them in keys

I mean you can go on raider.io and look at their runs

And if you really want to be picky

You can look at their logs to get a decent idea of what they're capable of

You have the key, theres no rush

They're applying to your group not the other way around

[muted pendant]

I’m gonna try that one again after a break - or maybe also start casually playing a braindead dps (:

[dapper nest]

Alright boys be honest with me

What's the beefiest wont die tanking spec

[jagged pier]

BV RAV Bolster

[chilly brook]

Dont think theres much that can deny that bear is that

Hard to fuck up

Basically invincible inside of incarn/berserk

That being said honestly I don't think prot is far behind it in that aspect when played well

The big difference is that prot is more punishing

[muted pendant]

You should change “dungeons” to “PUGs”

[chilly brook]

I mean your premise was that there was no point or reward to tanking dungeons

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Pugs were just used as a supporting evidence point

[muted pendant]

The reward is very low rng coupled with bad pugs

I like the dungeon design and no one needs a PhD for knowing what is happening

[turbid lantern]

i feel strong as drood in the maw now : 😄

[astral crystal]

got it from titty corridors?

[turbid lantern]

yes 8*18 :x

[astral crystal]

i just did layer 2 today and i was so bored, it's going to be painful completing that

[turbid lantern]

one per half day ^^

[undone jacinth]

lol I literally just had the thought about how tanking anything above 15 right now feels completely unrewarding and then came here and saw that... I dunno if I really blame pugs though... is just the first season in many that I'm lacking motivation for m+

I'm basically waiting on my weeklies for ilvl, doesn't feel great

[lavish oracle]

@dapper nest Bear

[hard birch]

Is anyone familiar with the boss mechanics of Normal Sire? I got some questions to ask as I'm confused.

[undone jacinth]

it’s between bear and warrior usually depends how much spell damage there is

what do you need vince

[lavish oracle]

Even against physical, I'd say bear is super forgiving

[astral crystal]

bear's strong but vdh is also really durable

friend's doing 15 on his 197 dh right now lol

disgusting

[undone jacinth]

forgiving maybe but in terms of strength I don’t think anyone beats warr vs blockable

suppose it depends what he means by who won’t die

[astral crystal]

well, vdh has the tools to not die

anyway

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I figure if you're asking the question, you want forgiving 😄

[undone jacinth]

yeah exactly

VDH got a cheat and dream mobility so if u just want someone to live that’s the one

[undone jacinth]

tru!

[astral crystal]

and meta

not the state of the spec, the ability

[lavish oracle]

Fiery brand build is very tanky

[astral crystal]

yeah

[undone jacinth]

yeah I mean didn’t wanna just list everything they have lol but yeah their overall kit is a little questionable in how strong it is

[turbid lantern]

my best combo for thorgast :

Combo :
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=329316/smoldering-inertia
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=322091/resonant-throatbands * x
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=329488/singing-stones-of-unnerving
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=322084/scratched-knife <-- Huge damage, almost OS some bosses

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=329454/ogundimus-fist and charge to have another smoldering-inertia

[silk edge]

man its litteraly impossible to get into 15's pugs

[undone sun]

[silk edge]

ppl want only dh's man

sadge

[undone jacinth]

have u done at least 1 15

[silk edge]

🥲

[lavish oracle]

Run your own keys

[silk edge]

done 1

all the others key are 14 haha

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/ITYkosf.png

[silk edge]

yea ik

[undone jacinth]

well I’m sure it’s possible just people gonna be looking for a bit more xp

I’ve never really had issues

tanks aren’t common

[silk edge]

on eu ?

[undone jacinth]

yeah

[silk edge]

i just feel like if i was dh it'd get insta invited

by yea i have to get more 15's done

like u said

[undone jacinth]

the main thing they will look at is ur score

but some people will definitely look class too

undeniable that it’s easier with DH

[silk edge]

i have

1k18

[undone jacinth]

yeah and they will have their own idea of what they are looking for

generally the leader doesn’t go for ppl with lower score than theirs

[silk edge]

yea

[undone jacinth]

I imagine having an inexperienced tank is probably really toxic as well

whereas it’s normally fine having some garbage dps

[silk edge]

its just that i hard realized that u have to have ig friends to play this game to the fullest, pugging life had always been fun to me up until now

[chilly brook]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AthleticZealousHedgehogItsBoshyTime?tt_medium=clips&tt_content=recommendation

[undone jacinth]

I actually agree, pugs feels way worse than ever before, that’s maybe why I’ve lost some motivation

a lot of my friends still alliance

just gotta play the community game and find people I guess

[silk edge]

yea

🥲

[chilly brook]

I've been reasonably impressed with pugs

[undone jacinth]

lol

[chilly brook]

Once you're past a certain key level that is anyways

An important distinction to make

[undone jacinth]

unlike you to have the opposite opinion to the accepted norm

[chilly brook]

I mean like pre 10s it's pretty aids'

post 10s it gets a lot better

From my personal experience

[mellow patio]

If pugs are bad you are bad at finding pugs imo

[chilly brook]

Most things are just nuanced

It's not a straight black and white pugs are bad

And for the most part I have the opinion of the norm in this discord tyvm 🙂

Woulda been gone long before SL if that wasn't the case

[undone jacinth]

if people enjoy pugging this season then all power to them

has been demotivating for me personally compared to previous

[chilly brook]

It was for me at the start

But it's only gotten better over time, enough for me to at least draw a distinction of where it began getting better

But obviously it's a highly subjective thing

My pugs aren't your pugs etc.

[undone jacinth]

lower keys are a struggle because none of the dps know what they are doing but high keys are more punishing and are more likely to require comms, which sometimes I’d just rather chill and not do

didn’t find that BFA had the same amount of punishing stuff

[chilly brook]

It didn't that's for sure

[undone jacinth]

it might also be partly because melee are less common so the actual amount of interrupts available is so much lower

[chilly brook]

Could be

although double melee 1 ranged is also still really good

[undone jacinth]

I just usually end up with DK mage warlock or mage warlock Hunter because or something

[chilly brook]

sub rogue/ww/x is nice

[undone jacinth]

WWs seem so much more common over the last week, I guess there was a YouTube video put out

[chilly brook]

People finally realizing weeks after the WF race that tier lists are stupidly bad?

😛

Probably also a lot of warrior DPS rerolling

it's what ours did, went to WW

[undone jacinth]

ye our rogues did

still doing no damage tho xd

[green otter]

What typical uptime should you have in raids on shield block?

assuming your actively tanking hits?

[undone jacinth]

I don't think there's any fight where you're permanently tanking hits

so uptime isn't a good metric

[open monolith]

@strong forum Fuck you

[soft flower]

Yee vulpera master m+race

[undone jacinth]

yikes what is that thing

[open monolith]

it's a mog that looks great on sexy races.

not so great on little furries

[green otter]

ok - what % of blocked attacks should one expect?

[undone jacinth]

bdsm fox

idk as close to 100 as possible

it's a really contextless question

[green otter]

ha, no worries

[undone jacinth]

most fights are gonna allow you maintain full block on the stuff you need to

[chilly brook]

why you stealin my mog

[open monolith]

THAT'S MY MOG YOU SLUT

[chilly brook]

is it tho

[undone jacinth]

looking very vanilla

[chilly brook]

Like is it actually?

[astral crystal]

you vulpera and blood elf "people"

[sick sentinel]

run halls again.
Shocked when get billionth pulsing stone

[astral crystal]

i got a 210 today, felt like killing someone

[sick sentinel]

i vote make that for a literal garbage thing, u are inting by running it lol

[pseudo raptor]

Can the weapons and shield from Castle Nathria show up in the great vault or are they tokens only?

[astral crystal]

token only

and if you've killed the boss that drops it

[open monolith]

you don't even have shoulders Griff.

get on my level

[rich charm]

so layer 7 done..... how much harder should i expect 8 to be ?

[rotund parcel]

I just finished 8 and to be honest my 6 was way harder than my 7 or 8 just because of the powers offered.

until i hit the last boss in 8, maw of the maw.

[rich charm]

had the writhing mass or w/e its called on 7 now

no real danger of dying

[rotund parcel]

it does start ramping up pretty quickly floor to floor though in 8

maw solo had 8m according to my details.

[rich charm]

think my 7 was pretty close to 8 mill too

took frikking ages too

think i spent a good 3hrs

[rotund parcel]

yeah i had 9 minutes left on my chest armor

lol

what legendary are you running?

[rich charm]

signet

dont main prot

usualy

[rotund parcel]

fair, in my clears i always picked the execute any % power asap

[rich charm]

got a pretty bad 184 / 171 shield aswell :\

[rotund parcel]

avoided signet like the plague

[rich charm]

yeah the condemn is a must

[rotund parcel]

charge/leap 200% damage bonus combo with execute power

[rich charm]

i kept resetting this one till i got it on 1st power

[rotund parcel]

i dont get the condemn :( i kyrian

feelsbadman

[rich charm]

ouch

[rotund parcel]

just boring old execute

[rich charm]

no idea how you manage then lol

the stun lock thing is just silly

[rotund parcel]

lots of 20% more rage gains

so can spam execute and charge/leaps

crit 700k at peak i think

[rich charm]

mhm

[rotund parcel]

with demo shout avatar and 3x throatbands

[rich charm]

yeah didnt get so lucky with the increased time on shouts this time around

didnt get it on demo

[rotund parcel]

only two times ive gotten demo shout was my 7 and 8 lol

was so happy

[rich charm]

yeah that makes it a lot smoother

[rotund parcel]

i usually save a ravenous anima orb

for the fire level too

so i can get insta 65% less fire dmg taken

that helped heaps

[rich charm]

yea

prolly a good idea

i had 2 orbs left on boss tho..... kind of forgot them

[rotund parcel]

the 5% haste stacking in combat one is also super nice

think they are the only two i really ever grab

the trash floors are easy enough if you take your time

but if you go to far into trash clearing powers

your screwed on boss

[sick sentinel]

i just got 207 boe neck haste versa

[languid light]

Guys, what is the WA that let me see the CD from my Party?

[rotund parcel]

tehrs cd's?

[languid light]

Yeah, ironbark, cocoon, etc...

Combustion...

[steel mauve]

i didnt think tehrs was updated

theres zen tracker

[languid light]

Thanks!

[amber herald]

omnicd?

or is it omnicc, I forget which

[polar shale]

I was under the impression that ravager for prot would proc the Tormented Kings legendary

Did they nerf it or I was just wrong?

[shut summit]

worked in beta at some point, changed to not to

[ocean bloom]

are there any WA's for your targets swing timer?

[slate sandal]

What’s a good haste to be at?

[astral crystal]

get lots

[undone sun]

anything above 0%

[nimble drift]

I HAVE ASCENDED

https://raider.io/characters/us/sargeras/Zech

PEEP THE DRIP

[astral crystal]

he cute

mog is disgusting but i will approve just because dwarf

[nimble drift]

haha dark iron dwarf mog bro

[iron atlas]

whats the legendary of choice for prot warriors?

[undone jacinth]

up to u

wall for safety, TL for m+ stuff and signet for pumping

[astral crystal]

wall and thunderlord will be your best bets 9.99/10 times

i personally really like the wall, more rage on SS and you will be cycling your shield wall often in 15+

[odd warren]

so my guilds struggling heavily in mplus

how can i go about making their lives easier on heals. or is mplus alot more about dps and just kite my face off lol

[silver trout]

🪁

[astral crystal]

kite when you have to, coordinate snares and shit with your team, be aware of both your and your healer's CDs

make sure your group knows the route too, if they know the pulls they'll know when to hold or use CDs

[undone jacinth]

main thing is just to make sure they are using their cds to burst difficult packs

and that the route is ok

[odd warren]

ahh more work for me then i guess lol thanks guys. getting exhausting putting in the extra effort and them not

[astral crystal]

tank is a huge part of m+

[lavish oracle]

honestly, helps to just be aware of everyone's CDs in M+

Especially when playing with something like Fire Mage where combust can make a pack much less threatening

[chilly brook]

@open monolith your mog huh?

[dawn imp]

would appreciate if torghast gave me something else besides flat mastery this run...

[grand drum]

you dont like having permanent bastion of might?

[midnight oar]

Getting the itch to swap to kyrian

Any venthyr bros do it?

[undone jacinth]

yeah

I swapped from ven to kyr

[dawn imp]

yeah i did

worth the grind

[cedar rose]

What's our BIS trinkets?

[undone jacinth]

scale and whatever u want

something with haste or heraldry or sire trinket or w/e

[shy yoke]

I was thinking of building a set purely with haste/versa but the question is, it's worth since now we have that stat scaling?

[undone jacinth]

don't understand the question but haste vers on every item is totally fine

[sand obsidian]

Do you guys think that prot warrior will see more use in high M+ as the expansion rolls on?

[undone jacinth]

impossible to tell but it’s likely something will change... it usually does patch to patch

if BFA is anything to go by, they’ll nerf DH in to the ground in 9.1

[lavish oracle]

@shy yoke You mean like foregoing strength to pick up haste/vers?

'cause I wouldn't

[sand obsidian]

Yeah, I think they are seen a bit too much right now lol I'm looking to make a tank alt with the main purpose being M+ and always loved the warrior tanks since BC

[lavish oracle]

tbh they'll probably just tone down fiery brand build and the damage of elysian decree otherwise I think DH is fine

[undone jacinth]

I mean definitely still play Prot right now if you like it... it’s possible later in the season that the gap closes and most players aren’t doing keys over 18 or whatever anyway

[shy yoke]

Nono, obviously using the higher ilvl piece possible but farming pieces on high keys that only drops haste/versa plus using the pvp vendor as well but since now there is a "penalty" for using the same secondary stat I dunno if still worth to do it or not

[undone jacinth]

you won’t reach that cap on haste vers this patch most likely

[dense flame]

So, think I had screwy anima powers for offense. The beast boss that spawns the soul adds that channel you wipe me due to not having enough damage. I had 3 min shield walls and the rest of the run was fine till last boss. Is there a recommended offensive build?

Anima build*

Or is it just hope you don’t get a crap final boss

[undone jacinth]

offensive build is basically just the execute power

[shy yoke]

So I should not worry about it and just do it then? 🤔

[undone jacinth]

exactly

if you manage to get above 30% vers then let me know how lol

[fallow mortar]

I am resisting the call now that I am able to progress through the double digit keys

SoA is still the bane of my existence though

[willow gale]

if i swap from venty to kyr will i have to pick up other conduits?

or the ones I have are going to change to the vent abilities

[undone jacinth]

you keep conduits, but you need to unlock the soulbind trees and the one specific covenant conduit

basically you need to get all the renown again

[tardy parcel]

just timed my first 13!! just shy of 900 io... slowly gettin' up there lol

i have never once regretted picking prot warrior for 9.0. it has its flaws, but is still absurdly fun to play and durable enough

[chilly brook]

If you're worried about diminishing returns past 30% it's negligible at best

Even if you were to hit it

You'd still stack haste

[chilly brook]

SoA shouldn't be bad at all

[shy yoke]

Noted!

[fallow mortar]

how are you able to deal with the snake poison? Do you take the left path instead?

[chilly brook]

Reflect the casts

And I go left

[fallow mortar]

you can only reflect one O.o

[chilly brook]

No

Stun

Sync casts up

Reflect all

Ez

[fallow mortar]

ahhhh, klk

[chilly brook]

Then they die before it becomes an issue

Assuming you dont run with potato DPS

[fallow mortar]

notes down: go left, without potatoes

[somber oxide]

has anyone ever seen a weak aura similar to the one which puts a ring around your mouse cursor like this, but then has a second ring around the outside that shows the duration left on shield block (I'd find it really handy but I'm no good at weak auras)

[stark lion]

Yeah

[somber oxide]

happen to have a link?

[stark lion]

Sorry, it's not exactly what you're looking for.

[somber oxide]

all good I just found one named Ultimate Mouse Cursor that was similar but the 2nd ring tracked the global cooldown so i just changed it to track the shield block aura instead and its exactly what I needed 🙂 thx

[grizzled forge]

how often should you be IPing in keys just like outside of your SB windows?

[fallow mortar]

When IP goes down, refresh

[fringe marten]

Anyone else just...addicted to the center tree on Pelagos now? with the double defensives and "road of trials' ?

Show of force actually isn't bad, and disturb the peace is nice too from the other trees..but that mid tree is so solid for keys. in a DoS I just ran it had almost 60% uptime for the dungeon.

Anyone know if the run buff from dried bonefish is obtained from a killing blow, or participating in the kill?

[sweet summit]

Show of force is very bad

[fringe marten]

Yeah but it's the only increase to damage we have, so...it's not awful, it's just not as useful as taking 30 sec off of Shield wall 😛

But aside from that..it's the run buff I'm diggin' in dungeons a lot.

[ionic fern]

"Check the pins" sheet.

[jagged pier]

that is the best thing ever

[ionic fern]

Looking for 15+ pugs be like:

[jagged pier]

looks fun

[limpid pawn]

was a good week, KSM + 4/10 mythic

[subtle island]

anyone swapped covenants? how long does it take to get back up (went ven and I'm wondering how long it'd take me to get back to raid ready with kyr)?

[slim garden]

i swapped to venthyr a this tuesday and im at renown 17 atm. ( got 17 from slufgefist yesterday so i can continue the campain now )

[unique shale]

i really need help guys

is it really possible to tank as venthyr ?

[strong forum]

Yes, a covenant doesn't decide what you can and can't tank

It's just less optimal

[unique shale]

and why everybody have wall lego

is thunderlord stompers bad ?

[strong forum]

Cuz it's better for raid, and pretty good for m+
Seems that more people like it more over Thunderlord

Thunderlord is good for m+

[unique shale]

so i if running thunderlord stompers i should get a lot of haste to have less uptime on it

[brittle silo]

@strong forum is there any dung where 'the wall' outshines thunderlord? I guess it all depends on party comp and the amount of dps your team can throw into the pack but rn thunderlord gives so much demo shout uptime that i'm not sure if it's even close to the wall

[ionic fern]

You should get a lot of haste regardless.

[strong forum]

I prefer running the wall in m+ because I hate the 4min CD on SW

And the general +5 rage gain on SS is pretty nice QoL.

But I couldn't say where which leggo is better or which leggo is outright better

TL is more damage and rage per minute and Wall is more SW and better on Bosses 🤷‍♂️

[brittle silo]

Guess it's best to craft both of them that way. Rn im standing with thunderlord, mostly because of dps output. Even with talent rows shuffle and thunder clap nerf I still almost never end as last on the table which kinda helps the timer

[unique shale]

i did try to tank 9+ but it was super stressful which i got burn out for the day.

[strong forum]

Well if you're not 4th on the dps meter, you're playing with bad dps players.
But it sounds like you're playing with Unstoppable Force, which you shouldn't.

[jagged pier]

dont be silly Nome I keep getting told all the top prot warriors on io are running signet

[unique shale]

lol

i saw it too

[lime urchin]

what setup do yall run for those endless thorgast runs?

[unique shale]

condenm

[strong forum]

Ravager + AM

[ionic fern]

+War machine in my case.

[jagged pier]

went in with what ever talents i had I didnt check tbh

[lime urchin]

hm and thunderlord stompers?

or sexy shield slam shoulders?

doesnt really matter I suppose

[strong forum]

Then execute power + all the IP powers, some Shout powers + 200% dmg on charge power

Doesn't matter roirin, I used both

[lime urchin]

cheers, I wont mention my trinkets because thinking about trinkets makes me cry

[strong forum]

Gear doesn't matter for it tbh

Only powers matter

[unique shale]

are you guys using show of force ?

[strong forum]

I'm not

[lime urchin]

yes, because I dont have any other potency conduit

[ionic fern]

Yep.

[jagged pier]

Im using it in my second potency slot

cause why not 🤷

[unique shale]

what are you using ?

[lime urchin]

@strong forum you actually keybinded execute?

😮

[jagged pier]

you havent?

[ionic fern]

Execute is goood on ST.

👀

[jagged pier]

[lime urchin]

FINE. ill keybind execute.

[ebon hound]

Execute smacks

[sweet summit]

[unique shale]

what finesse are you guys using ?

[jagged pier]

im not

[ionic fern]

Check the pins.

[unique shale]

thx

[shrewd steeple]

Guys i am a 197ilv pro warri. unfortunatly i do have some aggro issues in case the spear and the revanger is on CD. any tipps? (i do now i have 3 taunts)
Any XP and Revenger build with Leggi and so on?

[cinder nova]

Do you have any logs we can look at?

[jagged pier]

rav and spear off cd are you using them as the last pack is dying?

[shrewd steeple]

no but for example sanguine the last area where you pull many adds. The boomis dont like me rly 😉

IF u sim my char i could increase my dps fpr 2k in aoe if u use Seismic Reverberation

[jagged pier]

yer but the leggo istn actually very good, honestly if your struggling with aggro they first thing to do is look at your play

because i have no problems

and thats with mages paladins etc all bursting the moment i pull

[quiet cape]

could you please write ur standard opener Jakey

do you generally save lots of rage from the last hp of the mobs for the next pack?

[shrewd steeple]

for me its not rly the opener but the adding. lets say i pull 5 mobs and boomi adds another pack midd fight. i can solve this once with aoe taunt but thats it

[undone jacinth]

u don’t need rage

just ravager, charge, ss/clap/rvg, demo, rvg/ss

spear if u play kyr etc

you shouldn’t really be playing around people ‘adding another pack mid fight’

just revenge more often if you are struggling or challenging shout for those rare occasions

[jagged pier]

charge/avatar, demo. spear. SB, tc/revenge/IP

ravager before the charge

[jagged pier]

well number 1 tell the bommie to fuk off, i am a strong backer of u tank what you pull

unless they pull by mistake

but you probably arent revenging enough

like if mobs get pull u need to revenge them asap

or ss them

[jolly thistle]

Tell them one simple rule: whoever pulls, tanks

[jagged pier]

well i forgive like body pulling to some extent

but like if they go moon fire somthing

cause they want big nummber

you can get hit by them

[jolly thistle]

yeah, but if it happens on purpose, let them die

[undone jacinth]

had a mage pulling packs when a pack was dying, I said ‘don’t do that please mage’ and he said ‘lol I do what I want’

[jagged pier]

that mage would be dead in my group XD

[strong forum]

If he did what he wanted he wouldn't play mage but hes a fotm bitch

:dab:

[undone jacinth]

if timing that key was something he wanted to do then he did not do it!

[native coyote]

'then you also tank what you pull'

[strong forum]

So he can't even make his own decisions :dab:

[undone jacinth]

sounded like a mummy’s special boy comment

[jagged pier]

i mean the mages in my guild have always been mage

[strong forum]

It's a known fact that mages aren't people

[jagged pier]

some arent

actually funny though one of them was frost, finally caved the day before the changes were announced

so hes gone NF and everything

[strong forum]

Yup same here

Our mage wasn't sure what to run

[quiet cape]

ty

[strong forum]

I bullied him for 2 weeks for not playing fire

Then the "no changes" were announced

And he went NF and fire

[jagged pier]

yer pretty much the same with our mage

only mage not fire

[strong forum]

Legit can't believe there haven't been more changes

Like..

What is this

[jagged pier]

i cant believe BDK got another buff

[strong forum]

I mean rightfully so

They're literal paper

[jagged pier]

where my buff though

need more damage

like on sun king progression last night

[strong forum]

There's so much that needs to be buffed

Like...

Or nerfed

[jagged pier]

our paly tank had more dps than me and wasnt even dpsing

like jesus

[strong forum]

Well that's pally

They're ahead by fucking 30%, add in venthyr and its up to 50% or some shit

[jagged pier]

^^

its such a joke

[strong forum]

#1 pally shriekwing parse is 4.4k dps

Warri is 2.4k

[jagged pier]

jesus

[quiet cape]

are they expeting war to scale better with the next content?

[radiant lintel]

prot pally pvp

[quiet cape]

or why arent they changing it when its such a difference

[strong forum]

Cuz Blizzard dum dum

Also shriekwing is a bit special

Since pally can abuse it

Have low Killtime + solo tank all of p1

= huge procs

But yeah it's baffling to me how there aren't more changes

[quiet cape]

they are quite ahead on sludge fight as well but i guess the sample size is too small there

[strong forum]

I hope stuff gets rolling now that people are back from vacation

More class changes

[jagged pier]

lets be fair though Nome we havent seen boost's logs yet

[strong forum]

But awc and mdi are soon

So stuff has to happen relatively soon

Idk wtf boost is doing honestly

Does he have hc logs?

[jagged pier]

i havent seen his name

anywhere, but he was necro the first few weeks from what i remeber

[strong forum]

Ye

Secret weapon

[dull zinc]

does signet of tormented kings work as protection warrior with ravager talented?

[strong forum]

No

[jagged pier]

Nome its in the prot cheatsheet

in the pins

all the regular questions answered in there

[strong forum]

I know

@jagged pier

He's not flying so good

[jagged pier]

oof that nerco really working well XD

[strong forum]

Oh how the might have fallen

Even his HC parses are dogshit for him

Not a single 100

[jagged pier]

maybe hes given up?

spent to long at the top cba's now

[strong forum]

Could be

[jagged pier]

i remeber all the way back in uldir a amge was like why are you doing boost damage on ghuun

i was like you do know

he doesnt do the ball cheeses everything

[unique shale]

finally i did my 9+ on my prot war :']

[jagged pier]

doesnt do mechanics

[strong forum]

Huge

+10s are easier than +9s! So get started on those

[unique shale]

on it

[jagged pier]

^^

[outer solstice]

So how much dmg from rip soul is good on huntsman M? I took between 14k and 17k hits with around the same on absorbs every cast

[jagged pier]

still not a 1k io andy so cant get into all thoughs juciy groups yet

[jagged pier]

as long as the add gets healed easily youve done your job

[outer solstice]

(we finally killed it yeah but it took ages...)

Like 6 minutes xD xD

[jagged pier]

dont matter how long it takes you got it down

my guils first devourer kill was the slowest in the world Xd

and back in Emerald nightmare

[outer solstice]

^^

[jagged pier]

we had the 2 slowest kills on cenarious

[outer solstice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gmn2xDTJqt7QbCAL

Here, you can take a looksies xD

[unique shale]

bruh my healer did 2m overheal XD

[outer solstice]

Where? What class?

[unique shale]

in m+ druid

[outer solstice]

Oh well prehotting is a lot of overheal

[sweet summit]

Plug that log into wowanalyzer! Wowanalyzer is now supporting protection warrior!

[unique shale]

i did take 2m solid heal is this good sign ?

[unique shale]

how ?

[outer solstice]

@sweet summit but will it support fight mechanics like rip soul?

[unique shale]

to import data in there

[undone jacinth]

don’t think that is a sign of anything

[sweet summit]

Druids will naturally overheal a lot with how the kit works

[outer solstice]

Warcraft logs link should work to import to wowanalyzer

[sweet summit]

Take a look and you'll see 👀

[strong forum]

Overhealing is kind of irrelevant, damn that dk needed 5.3k ehrps

[unique shale]

dk

i saw many dk die in opener

[strong forum]

Was about to say, I saw the parses and was like damn, this has to be the slowest kill ever. And yup, 10% speed parse

[outer solstice]

Yeah and I wasn't really pumping ignore pain as we lack dmg I pumped more revenge... Raidlead demanded a very movement heavy tactic, no add gripping or such

1302 yds moved by me on the fight, lol

So wowanalyzer works, but nuffin for rip soul :(

[jolly thistle]

our first kill was even slower

[strong forum]

We just did what limit did

[outer solstice]

Ty, that gives me hope

[strong forum]

Seemed smart

But it took a while for our dks to do the thing

[outer solstice]

"DKs"

[undone jacinth]

not having DKs in 2021 🤢

[strong forum]

We're struggling recruiting dks

[jolly thistle]

we have no DH tho atm, and only one dk

[strong forum]

Same as hunters

[jagged pier]

we have other than the tank

[strong forum]

They're all terrible

[outer solstice]

Yeah, finding solid DKs is hard

We luckily have 2 good hunters + raidlead

[strong forum]

We had a hunter leave the guild day1 because of burping

[undone jacinth]

we have some bad ones but their dmg is still average because class balance xd

[strong forum]

[outer solstice]

(1 was absent on the kill)

[strong forum]

Our dks are bottom parsing

[undone jacinth]

I’ve had to mute ppl due to burping in the past

[strong forum]

So yeah, class balance doesn't help

[undone jacinth]

they grey parsing?

[strong forum]

Green

Sometimes blue

That's so bad

[undone jacinth]

I mean if they can get to blue ur fine

[outer solstice]

For M I don't actually care ^^

[undone jacinth]

tbh even with green ur probably fine

[outer solstice]

If ppl blue parse in hc though...

[strong forum]

Na it's not fine

They're losing to elesham