if they didn't update the formula for the stat squish.... well...
#protection
hardy trench
So KT is still the superior choice for alliance races though?
open monolith
depends on content
you can make a case for the dodge haste/crit of anight elf
plus shadowmeld for open world content is amazing
Dwarf / Dark Iron Dwarf racial is amazing for both raids and dungeons for getting rid of pesky debuffs that your healers can't get
pretty sure diaper-baby-mechagnomes have a solid emergency heal
hardy trench
lmao diaper baby
open monolith
idk exactly how their activated racial works
but if it absorbs a couple hits for you, that's basically like having force of nature on demand... every 3 minutes
plus 40 main stat on longer fights
a 15% emergency heal every 2.5 minutes is good
yeah I'mma say that mechagnomer racials are real solid for tanking
open monolith
idk if any HAS to, but the right side double golem is rough, and the pack right before the 2nd boss
naive panther
pack before second boss is aids
sweet summit
i usually double pull first packs with golem and lust that, then lust pack before 2nd boss and lastly 3rd add at last boss
open monolith
that sounds solid
chilly brook
I'm at like 66k fully buffed or something like thatv
astral crystal
Yikes vulpera
open monolith
Nomeratur proved that Nose For Trouble is actually not a meme
and is legitimately super strong in m+
astral crystal
The only horse race that will be spared when the reckoning ™️ comes will be Tauren
open monolith
and im kinda pissed about it
astral crystal
Horde *
open monolith
go on
native geode
I just started playing prot warrior and im about to make my legendary, im thinking of going thunderlord but are there any alternatives you guys would consider?
winged cobalt
specifically 5 spiteclaws + villager pack at the start
open monolith
@native geode the wall is very solid for both raiding and mythic +
TL is very solid, arguably better for most situations, for mythic +, but not very good in the raid
@winged cobalt As soon as you aggro the villager pack, use shockwave, make sure to hit all 3 dryads. Then as soon as the stun wears off, use spell reflect
sturdy sable
You'll get more mileage out of the wall if you raid but if your just gonna do keys make TL
open monolith
this should cause you to spell reflect both soul-rip or whatever it's called, and a souul bolt
that should take the stress of your healer quite a bit. Also ask your group to lust / use CC on that pull
sinful pivot
I like TL more. I value the damage more than the increase in survivability from the wall.
Many bosses in CN hit super soft, and I go with anger management and TL
winged cobalt
this should cause you to spell reflect both soul-rip or whatever it's called, an...
cool cool
open monolith
I would argue that the wall provides more damage than thunderlord in single target
fossil vapor
guys better to have 20% haste and 10% versa, or 14% versa and 16% haste?
open monolith
because the extra rage equals out to more revenge
but that argument is likely easily simmed
and im too lazy to do that
winged cobalt
doesn't sr just get one of those though?
native geode
alright interesting thanks for the insight
open monolith
@fossil vapor stack haste, always, unless the haste piece is lower ilvl (and not ring, neck, or trinket)
hallow phoenix
SR can multi reflect if multiple spells hit at same time
open monolith
^
winged cobalt
also if anyone could confirm if belf purge removes the healing ability of the drust melee
ah cool
hallow phoenix
Which is why you stun at start
open monolith
^
hallow phoenix
To line up their spells
open monolith
also when they turn blue and glowy
fucking run
and if your healer isn't quick to dispel the magic debuff from the little guys dying, fucking run
chilly brook
Many bosses in CN hit super soft, and I go with anger management and TL
Hard disagree on them hitting soft
22k melees from Denathrius
hallow phoenix
Healer mechanic
open monolith
tested what
winged cobalt
purging the healing buff on the mobs
open monolith
oh, right
could always just.. interrupt the cast
o.o
also focus the Tender = no heals
or are you talking about the soul cleaver buff
the one that turns them blue and spooky
hallow phoenix
I told my group to focus the melee bois instead of tender
Cause cleavers hurt my heart
open monolith
yeah hand of thros. that's definitely purgeable
fossil vapor
<@!225936259804168203> stack haste, always, unless the haste piece is lower ilvl...
NO ring? that means, item lvl on ring neck and trinket don't have to consider?
open monolith
not as much, no
because they don't have Strength on them
the whole point of "stack more ilvl" is because higher ilvl = more strength and armor
rings / neck don't have strength or armor
so if they are not massively different in ilvl, stacking haste on those can be more important
fossil vapor
ok thx
sterile moss
How come warcraft logs doesn't seem to have the data on some of my raid boss kills?
Is there some sort of manual way of providing the data?
lusty grotto
are you uploading logs yourself?
lusty grotto
hmm...
strong forum
love waiting on the last guy for m+
lusty grotto
i mean youre supposed to, the data doesnt come from anywhere
sterile moss
so on those that I do have data, maybe someone else in the raid did?
lusty grotto
what you're seeing is likely someone elses up
vestal moat
Following the discussion in the first mists pull can we get some advice on first pull in DOS? Warlord plus 2 cultist and 6 bone skeletons. Most groups want to lust and kill all. I have problem gathering them all and knowing how to kite.
sterile moss
ah ok
lusty grotto
@strong forum you missed this morning
vestal moat
Second problem with that is even if I survive I have nothing left for the next pack ( in front of Hakka wing )
open monolith
doesn't haste have a "soft cap" in the terms of "past this % each point of haste is worth less"?
I know it doesn't lose value in terms of how good it is to us
lusty grotto
no
open monolith
Ah, neat.
lusty grotto
and hes not talking about haste
open monolith
oh mastery. I know dolphin loves mastery
he's never been shy about it
i think he likes it due to the attack power.
lusty grotto
hall of fame shit
open monolith
sims highest for pure dps
open monolith
yes, of course we are
lusty grotto
we are
open monolith
one person isn't, and he tends to be fairly vocal about it
limpid pawn
any of you guys get keystone master yet?
open monolith
but if it works for him, whatever
I haven't yet, but I haven't had a ton of time to play, and only just recently got a solid group
limpid pawn
im so close, just need ToP, MISTS, plague
open monolith
plague is easy AF, imo (on fortified)
limpid pawn
i just got a good route down, so it should be
lusty grotto
so tl;dr dolphin said TL only increased demo uptime by 1 to 5%
based on logs
which is ridiculous
that's why you dont listen to him
thats the entire conversation of this morning
limpid pawn
TL or the wall though
open monolith
on single target fights or m+?
sterile moss
Do I need the warcraft logs client to upload logs?
sterile moss
via the client?
lusty grotto
im sure there are tutorials online
sterile moss
ok, I'll look into it
lusty grotto
this isnt the how to log channel sadly
sterile moss
Oh, sorry. Misread the title
open monolith
this channel can be any channel it wants to be
lusty grotto
you dont say newbie
open monolith
it's rarely even protection, lol
i'd say more than 50% of the conversation in here is.... protection warrior adjacent, at best
strong forum
gonna pug 1 hunter now
strong forum
i hate my life
open monolith
well, whatever you are, you're unpleasant 🙂
strong forum
🧑🍳
lusty grotto
did you see what the thing nome?
strong forum
?
lusty grotto
scroll up
strong forum
dolphin
lusty grotto
ye
strong forum
he wants to gear until 30% haste
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
did you see the part where he said TL is a only a 1 to 5 % increased uptime on demo shout
lusty grotto
that both TL and TW dont have meaningful increases to both demo and shield wall
interesting is about right
thats not the word i would use for sure lol
mellow patio
Gah damn there was more drama today AND I MISSED IT
mellow patio
I hope more you know me
bold wave
Good afternoon everyone.
limpid heron
Soo... is there a magic trick to not melting when going into a pack of casters? 😐
sick sentinel
190 slimy organ vs 210 pulsing stone
zealous badger
1ST
lusty grotto
Soo... is there a magic trick to *not* melting when going into a pack of casters...
demo shout + spell reflect + kicks
wall as well
those are your tools to deal with magic damage
open monolith
if you're not in an area where fearing would cause more problems, intimidating shout as an extra interrupt can be nice
lusty grotto
and shockwave of course
lusty grotto
reflective plating
open monolith
Imagine if UF made thunder clap also interrupt during Avatar
might make me not take ravager.
strong forum
last stand
open monolith
that's the QOL change on a talent row that I would love to see.
limpid heron
demo shout + spell reflect + kicks
Yeah, been doing that 😦 Still going splat on a few select pulls
lusty grotto
you got any specifics?
open monolith
keep in mind a LARGE portion of the damage you take on magic damage pulls is because your group doesn't interrupt
lusty grotto
which pull, which dungeon?
limpid heron
Necrotic Wake, the named Necro dude right before bridge, for example
lusty grotto
oh
lusty grotto
or just skip it
open monolith
I always skip, personally. fuck that pull
bold wave
Going into a 10 HoA. Any advice? X|
limpid heron
is it skippable without invis?
lusty grotto
you can mind soothe big dude and go through the left
open monolith
rogue sap, rogue shroud, priest mind soothe will let you skip
limpid heron
kk. good to know
lusty grotto
invis pots
limpid heron
because yes, fuck that pull
lusty grotto
as well
limpid heron
I drop literally every single damn time
open monolith
if you have a rogue, he has to sap the right-most mob, the one opposite the Named mob
and you have to hug the right wall
(if you wipe and shroud is down for the 2nd skip)
IF you choose to not skip that pull, you need to use the Orb weapon that is on the ground in that area
limpid heron
kk
open monolith
on the left wall, right where the 3 little dudes are in the green slime
limpid heron
kk
open monolith
Bridge
X
X X <-- this one
X
limpid heron
so if not skipping, basically charge in and insta orb?
open monolith
p much
steady spruce
Or hard cc 2 adds
open monolith
then once they are all on you, interrpt / shockwave, spell reflect, shield wall, storm bolt, intimidaating shout (careful for the pat)
limpid heron
the 3 man pat with the fear guy? I usually kill that one
open monolith
oh I skip that one, too :p
limpid heron
where are you getting %?
open monolith
my route is... weird
limpid heron
apparently lol
open monolith
hold on
okay
so when it isn't tyrannical weak and I don't need Pride on bosses
I do the normal first 3 pulls to get 20% pride on 1st boss always
limpid heron
hah. pride. I've not gotten higher than 8 yet 😐 melty mc melt face over here.
open monolith
and then once that boss is dead, I pull everything in the first room, EXCEPT: the big pack in the middle, and the caster by the entrance to your right as soon as you zone in
then, up the stairs in the next room, I pull the 2 casters on the left, the necromancer, the 3 little guy sin the slime, SKIP THE PAT, SKIP THE MINI BOSS
across the bridge, I pull the 2 big guys, and then hug the right wall, puilling all the little guys along the right wall.
this gets you exactly 69.x%
which is all you need
limpid heron
yeah I usually do the hug right after bridge
open monolith
oh... wago.io/mdt is disabled so... nevermind
limpid heron
disabled?
limpid heron
limpid heron
export maybe? not sure. haven't messed with the site much
open monolith
workin on it
hmm, it looks like it is trying to make me make an account to save it
which I'm not going to do
limpid heron
ah ok. womp womp lol. sorry
open monolith
TLDR, everything in first area except for middle big pack, and very 1st caster mob immediately on the right when you enter
everything in 2nd area except the patrol and the miniboss
hug right wall after bridge, pull all that. 69.8%
limpid heron
kk
pull all that = hug right, hop over rubble, kill necro guy, skip stuff right in front of him?
open monolith
just don't forget the little guys in the slime directly to the left when you first enter
cinder nova
@strong forum What were those two auras that used Zen as a backend?
Limit used them for highlights and ummm... cooldowns.
lilac quail
What's up with the damage on the Drust Soulcleavers in mists?
strong forum
soulsplit
you can reflect it
it does alot of damage
but 1 cast doesnt kill you
https://i.imgur.com/DgeFXHp.png @open monolith mists 17
🙂
lilac quail
that's exciting - but like, looking at damage taken here, Soulcleavers did 50% more damage than the next thing on the list.
open monolith
fuck you nome
I'm already buying the race change service
and I'm really unhappy about it
strong forum
😄
lilac quail
that seems odd
open monolith
melee is always going to be your highest damage taken
because everything melees to some extent o.o
strong forum
my soulcleavers did nothing
lilac quail
I think you're missing what I'm saying
strong forum
theyre on 12th
this was a 17 key
they did less on my 17 than on your, what seems to be, less than 10
bleak wyvern
i cant wait until prot warrior gets a buff in one of these tunings :)))
lilac quail
kiting them around or something?
strong forum
na
open monolith
soul cleavers do a shit load of damage if they are allowed to cast hand of thros and aren't Stunned / nuked from orbit quickly
open monolith
yeah. that first pack with double soul cleaver
start it with Shockwave
and as soon as the stun ends, put up spell reflect
lilac quail
good to know
open monolith
it will reflect both soul splits
strong forum
dont even need shockwave
open monolith
you do
strong forum
ill make a clip
lilac quail
might as well
open monolith
sometimes
sometimes they don't cast it at the same time
if you open with shockwave, it will set their spell timers to be at the same time, every time
with the added bonus of also reflecting a soul bolt from the 3rd mob
since all 3 will be cast at the same time, all 3 will be reflected 😄
open monolith
it's not needed every time
soft flower
Looks like it's down to pulling them at the exact same time
open monolith
but i have seen them stagger their soul splits
strong forum
ye
thats why leap is so great
it often makes it so mobs are getting engaged at the same time
soft flower
yea them reaching you at same time, perhaps?
strong forum
ye
strong forum
when you charge, you get insta in combat with the mob
with leap you dont
until you land
strong forum
i guess
lilac quail
is that with ravager?
open monolith
ravager bolster are bae
Anger Management only when your dick swings so low that you definitely don't need bolster anymore
lilac quail
clearly doing this all wrong - did I at least not screw up with thunderlord?
strong forum
TL is good
open monolith
Don't feel bad.
Warrior is actually more complex than.. I'm willing to say any other tank
in terms of playing it optimally
It's really easy to play Warrior wrong, and Warrior feels REAL bad when it isn't played right.
What other tank has to make a decision on spending their resources on either 1 of 2 mitigation abilities OR damage
Brewmaster doesn't have to make a choice, AND their mitigation is ALWAYS ACTIVE
lilac quail
I'm just gonna go back to my whole "ignore pain should have never happened."
open monolith
Ignore Pain is good 🙂
undone jacinth
dude u really need to play some other tanks lmao
lilac quail
Ignore Pain is bad by virtue of existing, it's good for what it does.
open monolith
lol
strong forum
it convolutes things at first this time around
deciding between what to do
for new people can be quite alot
if youre not experienced you can over IP and underuse SB because you dont know how to use it properly
open monolith
and underuse / overuse revenge 😄
just kidding, the correct amount of revenges is all the revenge.
open monolith
ayyyy you're almost useful 😄
lilac quail
should we be rolling shield blocks into each other or no?
open monolith
if you know for a fact that you will be taking blockable damage for the entire duration, sure
but it's generally better to "wait and see", IMO.
undone jacinth
the answer is almost always yes
strong forum
should we be rolling shield blocks into each other or no?
ye, overlappin SB use isnt bad
the time adds 1-1
open monolith
if you mean "one right after the other" while in combat, the answer is usually yes
undone jacinth
he said rolling so
open monolith
yes, I read it as "use both at once" for some reason
which I realized after typing my response
which is why I further clarified
strong forum
well rolling
lilac quail
not the best term I suppose, what with that being a thing.
strong forum
could mean overlapping by 0.1sec, or waiting to not overlap at all
sick sentinel
i got the organ 190 today and it seems really good
did almost as much as kyrian phial
undone jacinth
does phial do a lot?
undone jacinth
feel like it doesn’t
oh I thought he meant overall
I think organ is ok but it would be better if it had str on it
strong forum
consumption organ needs 1min to stack up, thats the "20sec CD bait" trinket right
its 9ppm
so the CD on it is a bait
for max use
undone jacinth
that’s still fine
strong forum
ofc
but like
if it was an absorb and str
it would be good
but stam and heal, not as much
imo
tender phoenix
is Gluttonous Spike any decent to use?
undone jacinth
I think because of how far warriors can take their hp it’s not too bad but I’d not take it over other good stuff
like on a DH it’s just worthless
sick sentinel
i have a 197 spires trinket, so i'm set for trinket slot 1
undone jacinth
but seems ok for Prot
sick sentinel
not alot i ever want to swap that out for, defininitely not in dungeons, maybe raid
tender phoenix
since im here is Bargast's Leash any good or just a raid trink?
strong forum
dont use
you need to take over 100k dmg
over its duration
for it to be of any use
undone jacinth
do use it if you want to troll somebody though
strong forum
and you can actively kill your target with it
sick sentinel
couldn't u easily voice coms a soak on a high key by using it on healer?
strong forum
25% DR isnt really useful
on a 2min CD vs Hakkar trinket
which is the same absorb
but doesnt fuck up anybody else
tender phoenix
dam this xpac im getting the trash trinkets
strong forum
any "tank trinket" besides Hakkar and Denathrius is trash
undone jacinth
it’s the same as always where a couple are stupidly broken and the rest suck
uneven mason
any "tank trinket" besides Hakkar and Denathrius is trash
PVP haste trinket best tank trinket
sick sentinel
i never seen the ??? or hakkar trinket drop once or 
or the jar one from PF
strong forum
i got the phial from PF today on 207
uneven mason
thats a good one
strong forum
but it was only 10 dps upgrade, so i traded it away
sick sentinel
oh, right, i should clarify, i was talkinga bout kyrian phial potion
not the PF trinket
sick sentinel
i'm just going to do 2 more 5's so i don't have to choose a 200 ilvl on tuesday
i can never see the animation go off for decanter and it only showed like 3.5% dps when i looked it up in the recount
strong forum
"only"
3.5% for a trinket
is alot my guy
like 1.5% is already alot
but % are relative
actual DPS is what says more
if you only do 2k dps, the trinket is gonna do more % of your overall
if you do 3.5k, the trinket is gonna do less % of your overall
sick sentinel
simple sim claims 2.4k dps
summer bay
I once again made a prot warrior... this time a thicc boy.... name... Oofdathurts. Are prot wars really that far behind others? I see some high keys being run by them and the WFR used them too. But yet I always hear that they lag behind xyz.
sick sentinel
no, but a warrior without active shield block is dead meat
summer bay
The only issue I have right now is a large gap in SB
strong forum
ye thats normal
summer bay
I feel like there are just too big of gaps right now =/
strong forum
its just how it is now
you have to make do with kiting ( every tank has to kite )
and if you have terrible dps players
itll make you feel way weaker
sick sentinel
we can cover that weakness of SB down time with the last row talent called bolster which grants 100% block throughout last stand's duation
strong forum
than you actually are
sick sentinel
doesn't give the slam buff tho.
summer bay
I tried to learn.... Brewmaster... I just don't like how any other tank feels playwise
sick sentinel
you need to find the class the best suits your tanking style
misty tartan
Now that I've started tanking 15s I'm having more and more trouble to keep aggro while kiting. I much prefer the stand and hit playstyle
undone jacinth
it's more about how long ur kiting for
are u designing pulls around ur CDs, ur DPS CDs etc
misty tartan
Really loving some dungeons though, feels just right
undone jacinth
if ur doing pulls with nothing and kiting 75% of them then ur aggro is gonna be hopeless
strong forum
keep in mind you have challenging shout
misty tartan
I'm pugging mostly so not much CD coordination going on
undone jacinth
one thing I noticed in pugs even above 15 is that people just don't use their CDs
nobody CDs pride
people hold for bosses instead of trash
strong forum
undone jacinth
you just gotta tell them sometimes
sick sentinel
challenging shout is a special button that i put all the way on the far right + on the keypad of keyboard
cuz i never want to waste that one
strong forum
theres always room to improve! make sure to not underuse Revenge
undone jacinth
is definitely fun
there's only so much negative damage on my bear I can take before I switch mains
tight flint
warr tank is chad class
fallow mortar
absolutely
fallow mortar
instead you use revenge 😈
fallow mortar
wait, we get slam? XD
undone jacinth
or is that just fury that gets it
undone jacinth
yeah ok so slam if u switch to fury xd
fallow mortar
yarp
sharp grove
xD
dusky silo
do you guys use whirlwind in arms?
sharp grove
Well, shit. I still need more keybinds it seems.
strong forum
as arms you use whirlwind in aoe i think
dusky silo
why use slam as fury btw its useless i think
strong forum
you dont
sharp grove
Oh, no. They get the choice to. Prot doesn't.
Granted, even the illusion of choice is a choice. 🤔
dusky silo
started doing mythic plus as prot, when i first pull i almost get nuked to death
like if i dont charge i dont enough rage for anything
undone jacinth
u can use slam in torghast sometimes
strong forum
those 2 buttons alone are 70 rage
dusky silo
holy shit
strong forum
ravager is huge rage gain
undone jacinth
ravager before you charge, charge then demo shout
dusky silo
i use unstoppable force
vestal moat
High keys, 15+. Help me with trinkets plz? I have 207 ANima Emitter. 200 Scale (Going with this no matter what) 220 stone leagion healdey, 200 overwhelming power crystal
dusky silo
done
undone jacinth
High keys, 15+. Help me with trinkets plz? I have 207 ANima Emitter. 200 Scal...
I would play heraldry and scale
the str from heraldry is gonna be worth it
strong forum
heraldry + scale, or emitter
vestal moat
ty
dusky silo
can you guys remind me the stat priority
strong forum
ilvl > haste > vers/crit
dusky silo
fuck i have %30 mastery
undone jacinth
its not a problem
undone jacinth
thats the issue with listing a stat priority
strong forum
what matters is equipping highest ilvl
undone jacinth
makes it sound bad
strong forum
mastery is still good
strong forum
nice
dusky silo
until theu buff fury i might stick to prot
im so regretting not getting mage tower prot apperance
open monolith
They're buffing fury on Tuesday
dusky silo
yeah i will check that out
open monolith
If you want a 2 hander, yes
dusky silo
i do
open monolith
But fury can use two 1 handers just fine :O
open monolith
I havent read up on fury in a while, but pre-SL it was like.. 1% behind at most when all things were equal
Problem is all things weren't equal. There 2 awesome 2handers that applied bleeds and shit, so nobody was SMF at the end of BFA
dusky silo
you lose hp as well
nimble drift
I'm thinking I wanna bring arms warriors to more of my runs
I really like their constant damage due to condemn
Constantly big dps almost always
Only really big CD is bladestorm
pseudo raptor
Just did second wing of LFR. Those are some interesting mechanics.
Also didn’t get squished.
open monolith
Curious to see how they neutered LFR this time
Same mechanics but meaningless damage? Or neutered mechanics
lapis wraith
uh, i'd say the order of the bosses is whack
pseudo raptor
I’m assuming numbers squishes.
undone jacinth
doesn't LFR just randomly not have shriekwing in it
pseudo raptor
But I didn’t do much with my prot war in bfa and I decided this expansion to push tanking. I’ve picked up a lot just from listening to folks in here answer questions.
undone jacinth
anyone feel like warcraft logs crashes and doesn't display the right stuff way more than it ever has before?
lapis wraith
LFR Doesn't have shriekwing in wing 1, it has shriekwing in the sludgefist wing.
same room and all that
undone jacinth
what the hell lmao
I guess that's actually kinda cool that you kill the boss then someone gets mad and comes to destroy the room
lapis wraith
exclusively for the ease of transition
strong forum
someone know what happend with kungen? G_G
he couldnt reach his goal
and prolly quit wow
as predicted
his guild died day1 on mythic
he was overzealous and boasty
couldnt measure up and quit
not the first time this happened
strong forum
me and sense, but rarely
sick sentinel
I wouldn't be up to the stress level of both tanking and streaming a 15 key
when I get better gear should pop off
seems as though there are many players coming here to ask about how p warrior is or works recently. seems like a positive
undone jacinth
well its the best talent
then take ravager bolster and u should be fine
rest is just play
tight flint
ravager really?
tribal cave
Yeah how does Ravager help tanking? It seems like pure damage, Unstoppable seems a lot better
Other than the rage gen, which really shouldn't be too big of an issue
lavish oracle
It's more rage gen than UF and does more damage on average
undone jacinth
unstoppable is a worthless talent
that does nothing for u
ravager is damage and rage
itf is damage and survivability
lavish oracle
UF is not a worthless talent that does nothing for you
It just does less than ravager
tribal cave
Would you suggest it overall? Might be tanking H-Nath tonight for the first time, trying to figure out the ideal talent tree
undone jacinth
it doesn't have a use case where it's better than the other talents
put it that way
lavish oracle
Yes, that is a better assesment
undone jacinth
which to me makes it worthless 😛
lavish oracle
ITF is good on some raid fights
undone jacinth
Would you suggest it overall? Might be tanking H-Nath tonight for the first time...
ITF Bolster
tribal cave
If I'm using The Wall, is it worth having Heavy Repercussions to really stack the rage gen, or is Bolster better? It seems like Heavy is good for an entire fight whereas Bolster is just good if I have to press an oh-shit-button
undone jacinth
if you need defensive help bolster is the best talent overall and if you need offensive help or don't need defensive help then AM is good
lavish oracle
No, If you don't need the extra mitigation uptime, go AM, if you do you're way better off with bolster than HR
undone jacinth
don't think there is a use case for heavy either
lavish oracle
Except for maybe in like very high haste situations
Higher than you could reasonably have at the moment
tribal cave
Is ITF useful in raids when it auto-caps at 5 nearby individuals?
Like definitely a free 10% haste but does that beat out Ravager
undone jacinth
yeah
it is
12%~ haste is good
does a lot of things for you
more damage, more blocks, more everything
lavish oracle
Yes, definitely for damage at least, for rage gen, I'm actually not sure
undone jacinth
some of the bosses in nathria are going to truck you and you will be glad for the extra defensive help
tribal cave
Yeah I'm less interested in dealing damage in a raid, we have plenty of DPS to handle that, don't need the tank pulling a fun 2.1k and then dying
undone jacinth
I mean both options give you something, ravager is 80 rage per minute so it's not like it's worthless defensively
but ITF is generally preferred in raid on difficult encounters
tribal cave
My haste reaches 36% unbuffed with ITF at 5, that's pretty hot
When my trinket pops for a free 261 haste, that's kinky
undone jacinth
yeah haste is good stuff
tribal cave
Prot is Haste-Vers, right?
undone jacinth
haste and whatever yeah
oblique marsh
I'm having trouble keeping aggro right at the start of group pulls, not sure if I've been doing something really wrong.
I usually start by charging in then Thunderclap -> Demo Shout -> 1 Revenge right away. Is that pretty much what I should be doing? If one mob comes off me right after I can taunt, but if two start going after the party I don't know what to do. Challenging shout cooldown is so long.
And I'm Venthyr lol, don't have the Kyrian or Fae AoE. This is what I've been using. And the Thunderlord legendary.
sturdy sable
Cool downs rav and revenge do alot of damage and give you alot of threat
oblique marsh
Hmm ok I'll look into that.
sturdy sable
Thunderclap is a glorified fart with some rage gen now so you'll want to revenge more
astral crystal
lmao the signet question
astral crystal
3 more dungeons til ksm, we keep getting plaguefall and fucking dos
oblique marsh
That's really helpful, thanks
sick anchor
Why bolster in mythic plus over anger management
strong forum
its not enough
strong forum
its not really insane, its alright
undone jacinth
how many prots have to use signet for u to get out of denial lol
strong forum
but in actual keys you will find yourself running out of CDs and dying by running AM
astral crystal
and it actually gives you the shield bloc keffect now
so if you cast it while it's up it just extends sb as well
strong forum
it allows you to tank alot more and higher uptime on Unnerving Focus rage gain
sick anchor
Unnerving trueeeee
sick anchor
Giga brain
Yeah im just do used to AM
Ill try it out
Im just a pleb doing low keys
strong forum
in lower keys its still fine
sick anchor
Learning
astral crystal
damn dolphin hard lurks this channel so he can puff his chest
every expac seems to attract one of those
lavish oracle
No one near the top of the m+ leaderboard is even running signet anymore, lol
autumn jolt
Heyo, just got The Wall, don’t know which slot to craft on. Can’t find in the pins. What is better, shoulder or cape?
last mason
how do u change ur name in details
lavish oracle
(Presumably because they got enough ash to craft a prot legendary)
@autumn jolt Shoulder but it doesn't make a huge difference
Just a slightly higher stat budget
strong forum
Well shoulders are way higher stat budget
Like, hugely higher
Cloak is the single worst slot to put a legendary on @autumn jolt
It makes a difference if you can craft rank4
If you have access to 226 cloak and 226 shoulders there is no difference there no, but getting 235 shoulders over 235 cloak is a big difference
😠
undone sun
static laurel
Can you dodge evasive lunge if I'm the tank on Stavros?
Any way to avoid it other than shield block?
static laurel
Seems incredibly inconsistent
nimble drift
Okay
sturdy sable
It attacks from behind so you can't even dodge dodge it @strong forum
Unless you got yourself on a swivel lol
nimble drift
so the comp i run rn is 1 of every faction, mage for hero, dk for bres, and a holy pally/disc priest that I run with back and forth So what is the best dps right now. What is the best thing to bring as the 5th person
nimble drift
I was thinking mm hunter or ww monk
sturdy sable
Boomy brings ents
nimble drift
ents?
strong forum
Treants
sturdy sable
Of the tree variety
strong forum
Auxiliary tanks
nimble drift
wtf
undone jacinth
the best tank in shadowlands
sturdy sable
Best tanks
nimble drift
I've never heard or seen those
sturdy sable
Dolphin and I are agreeing on this one opinion and in no other way does he know what is up
undone jacinth
careful saying that round here
sturdy sable
Aight
Lemme correct it
undone jacinth
😆 perfect
sullen valve
Hello warrior people. It is me your favorite yeller. Has anyone seen any oddities with wowA recently? Do you have any feature requests? Need something to be written in a more clear way? Let me know
Also @sweet summit :dab
did you see those changes yet (well not see them yet but make sure i didn't fat fingure)
undone jacinth
do you know why army of the dead doesn't show 😛
undone jacinth
yeah I was just log reviewing 😛
undone jacinth
uh
probably the bad ones
depends what damage profile you are talking about but feral and enhance are pretty consistent
sullen valve
if it ain't my specs then lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo
nimble drift
I just tested it
brought a feral and arms warr to a 12 halls
feral was top dps
their damage is very very consistant
sturdy sable
I think outlaw is also very consistent
sturdy sable
Since it's pretty much always rolling cooldowns
nimble drift
I mean
When I bring a mage
they pop combust on the pack
then prideful comes out and theyre sitting there
doing 0 dmg
sturdy sable
You want even damage across pulls?
sturdy sable
No but he's looking for that
undone jacinth
ah right I get you
nimble drift
I mean its just annoying
when prideful lasts 10 years
because they all popped cds on something else
undone jacinth
yeah that happens a lot
sturdy sable
Just pull pridefull with another pack ez pz
undone jacinth
I missed a spires key by 5 seconds yesterday and my hunter and boomy held their CDs on the entire top platform, all 3 mobs
because they wanted to wait for boss
even though I'm spamming chat asking them to use CDs lol
sturdy sable
Unless planned for big pulls I use my CDs asap
nimble drift
ESPECIALLY when you know prideful is coming
sturdy sable
Treat the whole dungeon as an encounter
undone jacinth
yeah it's just something that less experienced players haven't come to terms with yet
running keys on alts its amazing how people are just almost never using their cds
its basically bosses or nothing
undone jacinth
yeah glad we managed to get through that 35 second boss fight haha
there is a trick you can do as tank though which is just basically pulling enough mobs to where the dps eyes light up and they think if they use their cds they will do more damage than ever before
that's like the first step on the path to using cds
tardy parcel
great work!!
lunar perch
blissful iris
I'm a little bit over prideful in pugging enviroment since I dont have a set team. One body pull of a single pack or like 2% mob and the entire route is scuffed and now its like "oh mr tank, fix the route now, ok thx" So now we have to do math and try and figure out a new route or how to lose all that % to get back on track.
nimble drift
that happened to my halls of atonement
but i giga brained it and the route was perfect despite the fucked up pull
undone jacinth
I usually try to take a note of what I can skip when people inevitably body pull
or like pull a lot of stuff that provides consistent count amounts so you can just delete 1 for every 1 that is body pulled etc
also pick a route that has as little risk as possible
opaque pilot
hey homies, anyone know of a good video for dungeon boss tips?
gaunt dove
hey homies, anyone know of a good video for dungeon boss tips?
I check out Quazii, he runs M+ as every tank class and has good route videos
Here are his 5 min dungeon guides for every dungeon
opaque pilot
Thanks heaps!
chilly brook
I really wanna know how they expect people who can't really heal themselves to last in here
12% max hp every 5 seconds
gaunt dove
Anytime, he has helped me become much more confident in my M+ tanking, glad to pass his channel on
On another note, is it normal to be only 210,000 behind the healer for healing done at the end of a run??
modern gale
As long as people aren't dying, its not really an issue
chilly brook
Probably not normal no
ornate agate
for all the prot warriors out there, is there anything i can use to push mobs out of sanguine?
void moat
@gaunt dove as a protection warrior our ignore pain counts as an absorb which counts as healing done
ornate agate
in M+*
void moat
With often we blast IP its not uncommon to be roughly 60% of a healer's healing on the healing chart
tulip oar
12% max hp every 5 seconds
Purchase one of the Anima orbs to throw at a non elite. Find a forge master, and it will give you the counter to the % life loss per 5 seconds.
chilly brook
Purchase one of the Anima orbs to throw at a non elite. Find a forge master, and...
It hasn't been an issue yet
Just find it weirdchamp
tulip oar
You basically become immune to fire damage when you get it though. Makes it completely trivial.
chilly brook
we did it bois
fallow mortar
is that from twisting corridors?
@chilly brook (just realized how long ago your post wass)
chilly brook
is that from twisting corridors?
yes it's the TC mount
fallow mortar
noice
willow wadi
How do you guys assess your tanking logs? I like to compare my dps against my DTPS, check mitigation spell casts and timing of them. To me I'd love parses to show a percentage for DTPS, is this jsut me?
fallow mortar
I let wowanalyzer tell me where I could have improved on the run
willow wadi
same, but it's not great tbh
just chatted to the devs on their discord
they dont put any though into the tanking side (nearly none)
limpid pawn
hey in HoA
the bears sometimes just target random people when i kite
is this a known behavior?
i feel like sometimes it happens sometimes it doesn't
anyone know what's going on?
willow wadi
if it's not an error on your side then it is bugging
limpid pawn
i pull them, get massive threat on them, and jump out
fallow mortar
they dont put any though into the tanking side (nearly none)
I mainly look at it to see if I am using my cd's correctly and if there are any glaring weaknesses I need to shore up
undone jacinth
think you just need to stop obsessing about dtps and overall metrics that don’t mean much
it’s the other way round where you use logs to figure out why you are struggling in the raid itself, like if you are yoyoing on a mechanic or something... @willow wadi
willow wadi
true, I'm not really obsessing
I just like the little epeen boost of a high percentage
it's fun
for example, I might get 60% dps
but I want to know if I mitigated as well
or maybe my dtps was like 10% of other prot wars
ya know?
yes I go into everything stated above
if i seriously need to look at something
undone jacinth
having another meaningless number to chase doesn’t help anyone
undone jacinth
if ur struggling, logs tell you why, if you’re not then you should be dps parsing
undone jacinth
well every top dtps parse would just be people in tank spec using all their mitigation to tank raid mechanics and never tanking the boss
willow wadi
I just want to compare apples to apple. Prot warrior, same fight
sure some fights one tank will take less than the other depending on role
thanks for your discussion, evidently people look at the same things I do but dont particularly look at dtps
this was informative
I still maintain, numbers can jsut be for fun
undone jacinth
yeah some people definitely love metrics
heavy sail
chilly brook
I mean like if you're pumping you're probably not fucking up
To a certain extent your damage can correlate to your tankiness
analog lantern
Greetings! Does the inscrutable QD do anything for prot?
I've just used it out of combat + full health and it gave me a crit buff, so 😛
mellow patio
It’s not a great trinket for tanks. If you use it always at the correct time it’s not half bad
analog lantern
in what way?
mellow patio
It just has several different things that can happen
All situational
Which means it’s hard to guarantee you’ll get what you want
languid heath
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/653306988352110612/796815954176638996/unk...
This is amazing, thank you very much! Can we pin this please?
astral crystal
the bears sometimes just target random people when i kite
I believe their bleed application is melee proximity
solar crown
Anyone streaming atm?
jagged pier
can stream myself getting rejected from keys if you liek
gloomy sentinel
feel like i get trolled when i only get the charge/leap anima power at floor 17 on tc
twilit siren
any suggestion how to pull General Kaal at SD dungeon?
I heards that you can pull him at boss 3 room and kill him. Is that correct?
solar crown
can stream myself getting rejected from keys if you liek
Yes pls. Send link
frail saffron
what conduits do we use?
im using stalward guardian and fueled by violence
but not sure
valid scaffold
strong forum
what conduits do we use?
Stalwart, unnerving and brutal vitality are the 3 good endurance ones
Fueled is pretty bad
strange stirrup
What do u guys think of the current state of prot? I’m feeling a bit squishy even tho I activly use my defensives in m+ and raids
Pack by pack its ok but when i try bigger pulls in m+ i feel really vurnerable
ionic fern
Depends which pulls.
In general i don't feed squishy
Only times when i do are when i pull a ton of casters and no one interrupts.
And/or bleeds/poisons/diseases.
strange stirrup
I tried pulling all the packs at DoS +8 at the beginning, might be that im ilvl 188 thats causing it atm
ionic fern
DoS is heavy on magic damage.
The first packs are pretty caster heavy
If people don't interrupt any tank will fall over.
strange stirrup
Ye probably, down to the broker boss i had like 20 mobs at me and did fine
Also running The wall with bolstering talent for high uptime on defensives, not sure if AM + the wall is optimal for highest poss uptime on shield wall
sharp crescent
Bolster is insane, I wouldn't swap it. Maybe on low keys it doesn't matter honestly, but in 14, 15 I wouldn't swap it for anything
strange stirrup
Nice I feel like its very good too
Also do you experience threat issues? Or are my groups just triggerhappy
I try to push out some aoe before ravager to get some threat but i happen to lose agro
On a few mobs atleast
sharp crescent
At the very start of the pull if you don't have any rage and they combust instant sometimes it happens. But usually nah I've been fine, need to usually use a revenge pretty early tho
But yea if your group doesn't even let you get rage before, it'll be annoying
strange stirrup
Yea they go ham right away makes it kinda unstable to control the mobs
sharp crescent
Shockwave can give you some time to get threat / and if they just go too stupid I use challenging
solemn berry
Anyone know if sire denathrius's hand of destruction, the one where he pulls you in and you run away, can be reflected? Icy veins and mythic trap both say it can.
open monolith
I just lost all respect for wowhead (why I had any to begin with IDK) after reading their "best and worst dungeons this week" article
it said "tanks will struggle with the dealer xy'exa trash...."
um... that's the only trash in the dungeon that i can pull like 20+ mobs
LOL
sweet summit
Anyone know if sire denathrius's hand of destruction, the one where he pulls you...
Cant
ionic fern
Oh, was it changed?
sweet summit
Says no in the reflect sheet 🤔
ionic fern
Then it was changed.
grizzled forge
@strange stirrup ya usually that big pull at the begining we just lust it
then the very next pack pull on the right people have to kick the shadowcore shit slaps double scribe hits slap too
prime halo
which legendary should I go for? Im thinking of making The Wall one, I just got it dropped
prime halo
oh cool thanks. seems its between thunderlord and the w all
sand condor
yo homies
sharp grove
Man, I feel called out so hard.
sand condor
how do i get the hidden artifact appreance
for the prot wars because i doo not understand the wowhead guide
worn gulch
I play with thunderlord but some mobs are hitting really hard in m+
sweet summit
the ritual commanders ring
tepid barn
@sweet summit Thanks, this puts my haste at 23%. should i enchant my rings with versatility now to make up for lost stat?
sweet summit
still haste