protection

[chilly brook]

[undone jacinth]

yeah things change, that's why understanding is important

[chilly brook]

And people running vers in 15s

Things dont really change

[undone jacinth]

of course they don't lol

[chilly brook]

Just people think they're smarter than the conventional wisdom

[undone jacinth]

why would I be able to say something that the opposite wasn't true

[chilly brook]

Kiting doesnt seem to be much of a thing outside of when you have nothing left in the tank

Growl has a video out with Dorki facetanking a significant portion of content in a 20

[twilit siren]

I want mobility like Highmountain Tauren. is there any alliance race to do things like that?

[chilly brook]

And we're arguably more solid than bear for the physical stuff

[light quartz]

Idk i haven't done high keys yet, but that convo was on a Dorki stream with Shuib testing the wall, at the time he was r1 rio prot warrior.

But then again you guys are fighting here and meanwhile we have filthy BloodDks above us on rio.

[undone jacinth]

not even gonna bring up whats helping dorki do that lmao

will be interesting to see how the blood dk armour change affects them

[light quartz]

On their discord they are claiming its a 3-5% buff

[undone jacinth]

meh its something I guess

our dk was falling over pretty hard til he got pvp geared

[astral crystal]

Having another quality bait session with dolphin I see

[chilly brook]

Hard to tell but

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dgRQzpLJF63fM2HP#fight=3&type=damage-done

Doubt his damage would have been 3.3k overall if he was kiting the whole time in an 18

@light quartz

And in my experience you rarely have to kite

[light quartz]

Thats Sense, he is a tank DPSGod, it's like unfair comparison.

[chilly brook]

Uhhh

You gotta be in melee range

To do dps

[astral crystal]

Gotta factor in ilvl too, he’s like 226 or some shit

Primary stat is an enormous dps increase

[light quartz]

Naaa, Sense can be afk he will be king of dps

[chilly brook]

On the topic of other tanks being ahead of us in io, probably gonna stay that way for all of season 1

It hardly matters either

[astral crystal]

Damn he’s even running show of force

Fearless

[chilly brook]

And as an addendum, most of the people who usually push hard aren't even doing it yet

They're experimenting still

Just like Growl talked about in his latest video

[astral crystal]

Yeah in two weeks we’ll probably start seeing 25s timed

People who raid and keep up with pvp will be 226, if not a little higher due to legendary

It’ll be spiteful/volcanic week

[chilly brook]

I need to pvp

[jagged pier]

same

[open monolith]

Ooh what fun did I sleep through

[undone jacinth]

u missed the world first +22 spires

[neat dirge]

they arnt gonna buf prot

are they?

im lvling a DH as backup

[jagged pier]

well they just buffed bdk again

so i doubt it

[neat dirge]

i didnt play in BFA

but i guess thats what warriors get for being strong in that shitty expo

[open monolith]

It's not like warriors aren't okay right now.

I don't think any buffs are needed.

[undone jacinth]

they do probably need to bring VDH down or the rest up

[open monolith]

VDH needs to be nerfed for sure

[undone jacinth]

idk if it’s better to instead leave and bring the rest up to their level tho

[open monolith]

The kiting meta needs to die as well

But that's a game design problem

[undone jacinth]

if u just nerf DH that gets worse or stays as bad tho

[open monolith]

Yes, there ate multiple problems

Vdh is overtuned, and most incoming trash damage is overtuned

[undone jacinth]

I was thinking maybe increase mitigation uptime across the board, like 2s lower block, 2s lower spikes, iron fur less rage etc

[sick sentinel]

in halls 3rd boss i quite often hear people calling out for "3 each", i'm assuming they mean the orange balls to prevent some kind of wipe and 2 should the tank also be collecting them?

[undone jacinth]

maybe makes the time out of CDs a little better

do u mean sanguine yogi not halls?

[sick sentinel]

it's 3rd boss and it spawns yellow orbs

could be SD

[open monolith]

Yeah that's sanguine depths

The balls give you a buff that lowers damage of the big nuke she casts

[undone jacinth]

yeah the dps/healer should try to get at least 3 orbs, tank is a little bit less important

[sick sentinel]

that's the avoidable swirly boys tho right?

[undone jacinth]

before that

u get the orbs while she is blowing up, then after she blows up she does the swirlies

[sick sentinel]

oh, i'll need to look into that, find a way to cheese that mechanic somehow for higher keys

[undone jacinth]

you have to get the orbs on high keys I’m pretty sure

it’s not too difficult to get them

[open monolith]

You can't cheese it.

Just pick up the orbs.

[sick sentinel]

alright, didnt wipe any groups to it or nothing, just double checking.

[open monolith]

It doesn't become a problem until higher Tyrannical keys

[undone jacinth]

it’s up to them to get the orbs, try not to take many yourself and leave for the melee to take

[half rampart]

I have a QQ about spells that cant be reflected but are still magic damage, does Spell Reflection mitigate a bit of dmg or does it just fizzle and do nothing if it cant reflect back

[restive flax]

reduces magic damage taken by 20% for the duration

[undone jacinth]

different spells behave differently, some fully reflect, some deflect (no damage back but no damage to you) and some will just get reduced by the 20% DR

once the effect is consumed, the DR stops

[restive flax]

if the spell reflect buff gets eaten up -> it either deflects / reflects
if the spell reflect buff stays -> 20% magic dmg reduction until its gone

[sick sentinel]

the best example possible is a mage tries to cast a basic fire ball on you and only you, you SR and it goes back and hits him for some amount of fire damage.
if it were a flamestrike, aoe, you'd only get the 20% MR

[stray sierra]

does anyone know of a written M+ guide where it shows how much % and shit you need at certain points in the dungeons

for example in SD when you jump down to 3rd boss

or NW when you go up

stuff like that

[sweet summit]

mythyic dungeon tools is a great addon if you want to plan pulls in m+

[restive flax]

^

[stray sierra]

i have that

i guess ill have to screenshot and have it on my 2nd scren

screen*

[restive flax]

I mean, you could also try to remember the route

theres not thaaat much variation

[stray sierra]

im sure I'll remember it eventually

but I'm talking about rn when i dont know them and need to do them a few times

[restive flax]

(i did screenshot the route aswell in the beginning)

[stray sierra]

ill just do that

[restive flax]

in halls of atonement or plaguefall for example

[undone jacinth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/kojrii/m_tips_and_tricks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[stray sierra]

ive done them as DPS, but there have been so many different routes im baffed

[undone jacinth]

this thread has a lot of the %s required

[native coyote]

close to 88% before going up to last boss in SoA (missed by 0.3% last run :/ )

[stray sierra]

thank you

[undone jacinth]

also other tips

[restive flax]

a super easy route in SoA is just do every trash up to first boss, go right and kill both cat packs, take the left route and kill everything until second boss. fly up to the third boss section. Skip every pack before / on the stairs. Kill the pack in the very middle of the platform -> kill one of the non elite spearthrower dudes.

has very good prideful timings aswell

AND you dont have to deal with the trash packs of the second boss twice

No idea why that is recommended by anyone. These packs have a higher wiperate for my party than any other pack

I use the kyrian spears (the dungeon specific weapon) for that pack and for the last of the three dudes right before the endboss

[undone jacinth]

spires is definitely one of the best dungeons for flexibility on what u pull

just depends where u want pride

[restive flax]

you mean if you dont want prideful for bosses but for trash?

[undone jacinth]

yeah there are specific pulls on high keys that u can do pride around

[restive flax]

I guess so yeah

[undone jacinth]

like the double golem nightmare pull

[restive flax]

I dont do that side

I dont trust randoms

[undone jacinth]

yeah I go left but saw them doing right in the 22

[restive flax]

Ah I see

y'know right side could definitely be easier with a good group

but like... left side works just as good AND the likelihood of hunters tap target pulling pats is way lower

[undone jacinth]

only issue I could see with left side is maybe target cap on a few packs

those birds also are actually super underrated, they truck

[restive flax]

huh? the rigt side has more birds

no?

[undone jacinth]

I’m not sure just meant in general

[restive flax]

more birds closer together I should say

[undone jacinth]

I’d have to check MDT

[restive flax]

to each their own anyway

[undone jacinth]

I checked and they are pretty similar, there are two squad leaders left and only one right though

[native coyote]

but the goliath duo on the right instead

[half rampart]

Does this also apply to boss abilities?

[undone jacinth]

yea and there’s 7 packs right, 6 left but 3% more count on right

[half rampart]

Like the flat 20% dr is there for boss spells I dont reflect

[undone jacinth]

yes it does

[half rampart]

Dope, awesome, thankyou

[restive flax]

yup it works for bosses in the same way

for some abilities you can only reflect / deflect parts of it that are not immediately apparent thouhgh

[undone jacinth]

note that some aoe spells don’t do magic damage though, it won’t work on those

[restive flax]

in DoS for example at malificient manastorm you can deflect exactly one application of her bleeding debuff

instead of the whole thing

[frail saffron]

what trinkets u use for raids?

[half rampart]

Gotcha, still a big help for raiding with some boss busters being magic damage so I can Ignore Pain + Spell Reflect

[restive flax]

or just reflect the entire thing

the reaping scythe of mordretha in ToP is the best example

you can reflect the entire thing every time its up, really nice for your healer 🙂

[undone jacinth]

you can do every other one

[restive flax]

uh... well. depends on your damage no? it usually gets delayed by her 50% cast

[undone jacinth]

in each phase it’s consistent but during the transition there can be some weird timings

[smoky wave]

You can reflect that? Sweet

[undone jacinth]

the most common is every other though

[restive flax]

yup

okay yeah, mb then

remembered it incorrect

[undone jacinth]

I don’t use it on the first one, I save it for the one that comes with the grip and the adds overlap

makes it a lot easier to deal with

[restive flax]

i find it risky to use reflect when the adds are present

you should be able to time it correctly but you really dont want to reflect one of the tiny bolts

[royal sorrel]

Do you guys use Thunderlord with Ravager/Bolster in M+ or The Wall?

[undone jacinth]

she does it before they cast so it’s fine

usually anyway

[restive flax]

I use the wall

[undone jacinth]

I won’t say what I use because people will get mad lol

[restive flax]

Signet? LUL

[undone jacinth]

indeed

[smoky wave]

I use the wall but it's down to preference really. Both are good.

[restive flax]

With the Wall you can run Anger Management in lower keys

[smoky wave]

Not got signet yet, totes using it on easier stuff and torghast when I do for a giggle

[restive flax]

In more difficult keys I would resort to Bolster

for either Thunderlords / The Wall

[royal sorrel]

ok thx guys

[restive flax]

👍

[desert skiff]

Hey I have a stupid question; How does DR stack? Lets say Shield Block + Demo Shout?

Is it as simple as Shield block % + Demo Shout %?

[restive flax]

Enemy deals less damage -> you block that % of that damage

[undone jacinth]

shield block isn’t a DR it’s like a flat number

so DR is applied first

then u block the value

[restive flax]

^

[desert skiff]

Ah alright! Thanks

❤️

[undone jacinth]

that’s why ur shield is the king

[restive flax]

I was lucky enough to have a decent shield in my vault

[undone jacinth]

my shield is 15 ilvl below any other item I have

[restive flax]

mine is 210

[undone jacinth]

feels major bad

[restive flax]

yeah I can imagine

[undone jacinth]

I’ve run like 15 mists 15 theaters trying to get one

[open monolith]

I'm gonna get a 220 shield on Tuesday

[undone jacinth]

but I don’t wanna face the reality that I need to pvp lol

[open monolith]

I can feel it

I refuse to PVP

I won't do it

I will let my ilvl suffer

[undone jacinth]

if there’s no 226 shield in my vault

[restive flax]

tbh I sorta enjoy pvp

[undone jacinth]

I’m pvping

[open monolith]

I'd rather have an underperforming low-ilvl character than ever PvP

[undone jacinth]

there’s no way I’m doing another tyrannical week with no shield

[open monolith]

wait what?

Fortified is so much harder than Tyrannical

[undone jacinth]

it’s not about the difficulty

tyrannical is so unfun to play that I need to be enjoying my character

[open monolith]

like, I can't even think of a single boss on Tyrannical that is a problem to tank... except maybe high key 3rd boss of SD with her iron spikes

[undone jacinth]

and I need to be beefy tank boi to be enjoying

[restive flax]

The iron spikes are an issue?

[open monolith]

at high keys, they hurt.

they aren't "an issue"

but they hurt

on Fortified week, they are a joke.

[undone jacinth]

I mean spikes, theater of pain has a lot of stuff that shield helps for

there’s plenty

[restive flax]

well. yeah but do they hurt more than other boss abilities?

[open monolith]

yes

[restive flax]

huh, never really noticed

[open monolith]

the only even slightly close abilities would be Hakkar's nuke, and reaping scythe

but those can be reflected occasionally

[restive flax]

But I also dont want to do Sanguine Depths... I think the highest was a +10^^

[undone jacinth]

I mean just the consistent gorechop chops and zev combos

ween u down over time

[open monolith]

I am just so annoyed that Blizzard only made one consistent gear path, and it is PvP

I'm not against PvPers getting good rewards, but I am 100% against PvP having objectively better rewards than PvE

that's just.. retarded.

[restive flax]

yup

[undone jacinth]

it’s quite demotivating tbh

seeing the pvpers in my guild so geared when they suck lol

no offence to them!

[restive flax]

Dunno, I think its fine to have a healthy mix of both

[open monolith]

in that interview with echo / limit with preach, they both said had they known they could get elite weapons from the vault, they wouldn't have done as many heroic splits to prepare, they would've all done pvp

that seems like a problem to me. World first PvE guilds feeling like PvP was the right choice to prepare

[undone jacinth]

I think I hate boes more than pvp overall though

at least pvp does require skill

[restive flax]

Well, high ranking PvPers do the same thing with PvE though

Theres always going to be an optimal path that someone doesnt like

[open monolith]

yeah but like... again, my irritation isn't about PvP having good gear

it's that PvE has absolutely NO equivalent gearing path

[restive flax]

I know that

[open monolith]

why don't they have a similar "conquest" and "rank" for m+?

BRING BACK TOKENS

[restive flax]

And I am in no way saying that the current way of PvE gearing is good

[open monolith]

I WANT BADGES OF VALOR AND JUSTICE

[undone jacinth]

high rank pvpers don’t pve do they?

[restive flax]

Not this addon no

[open monolith]

and I'm also worried because Blizzard has not once acknowledged or addressed it, so I think we're going to be stuck with this for all of SL/

[undone jacinth]

nah shit always changes in each patch

but at least for this patch

[open monolith]

I have people in my guild who are very skilled players who straight up refuse to do m+ because it is a waste of time compared to PvP

that feels bad 😦

[undone jacinth]

m+ really got beaten up

[open monolith]

yeah 😦 m+ is the thing I like most about WoW, and it honestly feels really shitty this time around

[undone jacinth]

I don’t think they even really said why they were so against it

[open monolith]

at least the raid is fun

solid encounters.

[undone jacinth]

raid is nice yeah apart from generals

[open monolith]

they just want to slow down gearing in general to increase player retention

[undone jacinth]

feels like every raid they do is amazing though

[open monolith]

if there is still a carrot at the end of the stick, you'll log in

if you're full geared quickly... well, bye

I hated the first raid of BFA

hate the fights, hated the aesthetic

[next copper]

Uldir. lol

[open monolith]

that one

hated it

[next copper]

No one liked it. There was maybe 2 good encounters.

[undone jacinth]

I hated mythrax but liked most of the rest

[next copper]

Dazar'alor was okay-ish. Opulence, Mekkatorque, and Jaina were fun. Stormwall is okay.

[undone jacinth]

the ghuun ion cannon was pretty cool imo

[next copper]

That didn't make the fight any better, though.

[strong forum]

i liked uldir

[valid zodiac]

Alright so I can buy a 200 ivl shield for conquest? How does the upgrade work if anyone knows? I'm completely oblivious when it comes to PvP

[strong forum]

cuz it was so easy

only fight i didnt like was Zul

[open monolith]

you have to be higher rank to upgrade it, I think.

I don't actually know

[undone jacinth]

u upgrade it based on your rating

[next copper]

CN doesn't feel hard, but it feels like the average raider is worse at the game than in BfA.

[undone jacinth]

unranked = 200 ilvl

[valid zodiac]

Well shit. I don't pvp at all

[strong forum]

Uldir was also my first tier raiding since ICC, so that might add into it

[undone jacinth]

with conquest and no rank u can buy 200

[next copper]

I miss WoD raiding.

[strong forum]

i hate raiding, but its something you have to do

the easier the raid the better it is

cuz i can actually play the game then

[open monolith]

i am enjoying raiding more than I have in a long time.

[next copper]

I like a challenge.

But I also like earning a reward for it.

[strong forum]

the only thing challenging about raiding is, is finding 19 other non-retards

imo

[next copper]

I, personally, feel that only half of WotLK's raiding was good.

[strong forum]

WF raiding is different

but casual raiding is just find the least amount of retards

[undone jacinth]

just like the only thing challenging about m+ is finding 4 other non retards

[next copper]

Casual raiding doesn't hit Mythic, though. Most don't even clear raids on heroic.

[strong forum]

but m+ atleast lets you infinitely increase difficulty and its limited to 5

20 man raiding is too many people

[jagged pier]

so fun fact you can get coldheart zones for your entire TC run so the hp of the mobs keep going up had 18 stacks at the end 54% increased hp

[strong forum]

10man raiding would be so much better

[next copper]

M+ is artificial difficulty. You're racing a time limit for your reward.

[jagged pier]

m+ give rewards? 🤔

[strong forum]

m+ doesnt give rewards, hence why its so bad in SL

[jagged pier]

^^

[strong forum]

you do it for less vanity reasons than raiding

[jagged pier]

I do it for epeen size tbh

[valid zodiac]

Is the haste + primary stat proc the best trinket I can buy for conquest (not ranked)?

[undone jacinth]

what if you could fill all 9 of your vault slots with m+ but had to do 30 keys

think so yeah bash

[strong forum]

i would still only do 4 keys

or actually

i would prolly quit raiding

[open monolith]

the best play is to just quit WoW

it's the only way to win

[blazing condor]

^

Is Viscera any good of a trink?

[strong forum]

ye but whats there to replace it ykno

[undone jacinth]

the knowledge bomb

[strong forum]

Viscera is aight

[open monolith]

FFXIV is fun 🙂

[strong forum]

yeah miss me

game looks like shit

[open monolith]

if you can get through the vanilla leveling slog

[strong forum]

aesthetics need to be good

otherwise i cant enjoy the game

[open monolith]

The aesthetics are amazing

cat and lizard girls everywhere

it's a weeb's paradise

[strong forum]

but also bad graphics

[open monolith]

??? the graphics are solid

you're silly

[strong forum]

looking 100% like any budget korean mmo

the style

man

the style

is terrible

[undone jacinth]

it does actually look weirdly good and terrible at the same time somehow

[blazing condor]

same

[strong forum]

overload on AA

[open monolith]

Nome is a silly man who says silly things

[strong forum]

absolute overload

too sharp

everything is way too sharp

[open monolith]

literally some of the best video game music

ever

[cerulean tusk]

Lets move this from Protection into #off-topic or #general?

[open monolith]

Shadowbringers specifically is one of the best final fantasy stories ever

also, No

[strong forum]

its fine funky

[open monolith]

you move YOUR conversation to off topic or general

This channel is 50% conversation about protection warrior, and 50% protection warriors talking about whatever they think about

[undone jacinth]

it’s relevant chat for what to do on tyrannical weeks as a Prot warrior

[blazing condor]

is there a structured way to get legendary powers or is it just luck?

[open monolith]

play something else

[strong forum]

as any tank

[open monolith]

lol

[undone jacinth]

exactly

[strong forum]

they have definite sources

[open monolith]

it's luck, but most of the powers drop from specific sources

[blazing condor]

i got one from world boss thats about it i dont know any more than that lol

[strong forum]

they all come from specific sources

[open monolith]

@blazing condor https://www.wowhead.com/guides/legendary-recipes-drop-locations-sources-shadowlands-memory-of-the-runecarver

[strong forum]

you can check ingame aswell

[blazing condor]

thank sock

[strong forum]

by opening the adventure journal

[blazing condor]

ooh i just saw

my bad

thanks

[strong forum]

and click on powers

[blazing condor]

yeye i found now ive looked at htem but didnt realize

ty3

[strong forum]

😉

[undone jacinth]

ele shams getting their Lego off last world boss 😂

[strong forum]

dps shaman in 2021

ngmi

[undone jacinth]

the guy I play most with plays enhance

it can pump

[open monolith]

Enhance feels good only because doomwinds exists

too reliant on that legendary, imo

[strong forum]

i also play with ele sham

[undone jacinth]

yeah that’s literally it lol

[strong forum]

doesnt stop me from making fun of them

[open monolith]

I love shamans in my group

earth elemental is bae

[strong forum]

i dont but what can you do

[undone jacinth]

except enhance gets the shit earth ele

[strong forum]

friends are a bitch

[undone jacinth]

it’s tilting

[open monolith]

Give me a shaman and a boomkin so they can tank with trees and elemental

and I can just press revenge

[strong forum]

i had 2 shamans and 1 boomy in group

i dont need to tank

[open monolith]

that sounds delightful

[strong forum]

boomy quit the game last week tho

[open monolith]

I don't actually want to tank, I just want to press revenge

[strong forum]

almost did the same

[undone jacinth]

I had a boomy in a 17 tell me we shouldn’t need trees and he didn’t wanna lose the dps 😂

[strong forum]

ye boomies hate playing trees

[open monolith]

I told a boomy in my group "use tress on CD" and he said "well I don't even think you need it on CD."

"ok it's a DPS for you to NOT use it on CD, so use it on CD"

he had it talented..

and still barely used it

?????????????????

[strong forum]

costs 50 AP doesnt it

[open monolith]

it's free

[strong forum]

well then hes inting

[undone jacinth]

yeah it sims higher than their dps talent in some situations

naguura showed her sims with both

[strong forum]

and we all know, every boomy has raidbots premium

[open monolith]

lol

[strong forum]

and sim literally EVERYTHING

ALL THE TIME

its so infuriating

[open monolith]

why sim anything

when you can just press starfall

and watch your DPS go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[strong forum]

*convoke

[open monolith]

yo Boomy DPS on the miniboss in halls before the last boss?

L O L

[undone jacinth]

convoke is actually annoying in aoe

[open monolith]

starfall is nuts in that room

[undone jacinth]

yeah whenever I go in that room I double check if we have a boomy

instinctively

[open monolith]

I hate when I have to tell people

[strong forum]

same

[open monolith]

"just start dpsing.. goo.. kill the adds.. JUST GO"

"DON'T WAIT FOR ME TO PULL THE GUY AT THE ALTAR START KILLING"

"JUST START KILLING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

every time on that stupid mini boss

[undone jacinth]

lol there’s a DK I play with and he always runs up to aggro the mini boss with a spell while I’m attacking the adds at the start

[open monolith]

also, is it just me, or does General Kraal benefit from both tyrannical and Fortified?

[undone jacinth]

I haven’t told him yet because it’s funny to see him take 10 years running there

still dunno why he does it

do u mean the gauntlet

[open monolith]

yes

[undone jacinth]

pretty easy to check on logs probably

[open monolith]

she benefits from fortified in the gauntlet, and tyrannical as the boss

i think

someone mentioned that in a group once

I took their word for it

[undone jacinth]

yeah I can see how that would happen

[open monolith]

that gauntlet is such aids without a venthyr for the buff

[strong forum]

only have logs off of fort week

:/

cuz i only did SD week 1

[undone jacinth]

u can just pull half the gauntlet in to the boss room right

I haven’t done SD yet this week

[strong forum]

General Kaal has 4.2mil HP on Fort and Tyr in Gauntlet on +10

so that doesnt change

5.7mil on Tyr at 70% on the actual bossfight
4.15mil on Fort at 70% on the actuall bossfight

at +10

so the gauntlet isnt affected by Fort or Tyr ( atleast boss HP )

[undone jacinth]

but the mobs are?

could check the sentinel in the gauntlet as an example

[strong forum]

ye mobs are affected by Fort

300k vs 250k

[undone jacinth]

I’m also confused how the boss hp on the fight is so high on fort compared to it’s how in the gauntlet but idk if I’m just too tired

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

🍝

[undone jacinth]

is the gauntlet just less effected by the key level or is it an encounter design thing

like even on +0 I guess the hps must not line up

[strong forum]

well yuh

but i guess they just wanted a smooth middleground for gauntlet boss HP

or smth

[undone jacinth]

yea

[strong forum]

"smooth"

when youre 50% busy just fighting the boss in the gauntlet

with no adds around

[potent anvil]

I just pull her into third boss room and lust to burn to 70%. She doesnt go away when you bring her there. Easy gauntlet 😎

[strong forum]

wait that still works

[potent anvil]

Yeah

[strong forum]

why does nobody abuse that anymore

[undone jacinth]

yeah and can pull like 2 or 3 gauntlet packs back as well

ppl do use it in high keys

nerfs group was

[potent anvil]

The only thing that happens is she resets aggro every interval. So tank just needs to be ready to taunt before she one bangs a melee.

[strong forum]

ye that i know

but still saves so much time

tfw no venthyr in group

[potent anvil]

Venthyr prot np

[strong forum]

miss me

[undone jacinth]

did halls without one thinking it’d be ok and definitely regretted it

[strong forum]

venthyr doesnt do alot in halls tho

🤔

3-4 gargoyles

meh

[undone jacinth]

that gargoyle does so much boss dmg

[potent anvil]

Im pretty sure garg also scales off your haste. Did much more as fury for me than arms. But maybe it just rng and owned sometimes.

[undone jacinth]

u can gargoyle first and third bosses with priest PI and it destroys bosses

disc priest smashing 30k dps

[potent anvil]

Its also helpful to clear the one room before last boss.

You can bring one thru the portal

[undone jacinth]

ah I thought it reset on the port

that’s nice

[blazing oriole]

how doable is twisting corridors layer 8 solo as prot? i solo'd everything so far but layer 7 was pretty tough already, dunno if I was just unlucky with powers

[strong forum]

if you stay in long enough

there is no luck involved

[undone jacinth]

definitely doable just gotta fill up on that cheese

[open monolith]

You can repeatedly reset twister corridors until you get a good starting power

[strong forum]

every single layer i did

was exactly the same

[open monolith]

just reset until you get the execute power

[strong forum]

get your execute, get some IP powers, get like 1-2 SW powers and shout powers

every single time

same run

[open monolith]

yep

rage generation power

[strong forum]

rage gen like 5x

[dusky silo]

hello all

[blazing oriole]

only had one shout power in the layer 7 run, that was def a big reason i was struggling with damage

[strong forum]

its so

DOGSHIT

[open monolith]

the vendors almost always sell the shout power

[strong forum]

i hate it

its so fucking boring

did 1-6 in 1 sitting

gonna do 7 and 8 soon tm

[undone jacinth]

ouch

that’s a lot of time

[open monolith]

my buddy and I did 1-5 in one sitting, and 6-8 in one sitting

[strong forum]

5.5 hrs

[open monolith]

but we have our mounts 😮

[blazing oriole]

well 1-6 were exactly the same for me, only 7 was a bit of a struggle

[strong forum]

took it a little too slow

[lament charm]

when does Draven unlock for venthyr and how is the cheat death from his soulbind?

[potent anvil]

I only did layer 1.

[undone jacinth]

I wasn’t planning to do any

[blazing oriole]

I wish i was venthyr for this shit though tbqh

[undone jacinth]

no rewards right?

[blazing oriole]

maw mount is my motivation

[open monolith]

If you get the Eyeball boss at the end of layer 8 floor 18, you better hope you took some hp% powers

he casts something that hits for 150k, and you don't have enough interrupts to get them all, because he casts it constantly

[blazing oriole]

just need the rare that gives you the power so that you cannot take more than 25% max hp damage

[open monolith]

i've literally never seen that power

not once

does that even exist?

[blazing oriole]

I've seen it twice

[undone jacinth]

if u get two maw rat 100% hp things does that give u 200%?

[blazing oriole]

it was the reason why i got to clear layer 7

[open monolith]

you can't get more than 1 of that power

so no

[undone jacinth]

ah rip

[open monolith]

but you can get that + obleron endurance

and stack the shit out of those

[undone jacinth]

u sounding like a torghast professor lol

[blazing oriole]

there is another power that gives you +100% max hp but roots you if you stand still for too long

gotta go ADHD gaming with that

[undone jacinth]

don’t think I take any slows or snares unless I’m on my Druid

not about that being slowed life

[dusky silo]

hey guys im fury warrior but considering switching to prot

should i do it

i like the playstyle of prot but is it in a good place now?

[undone jacinth]

it’s pretty good yeah

unless u wanna do keys above 20 right now 😝

[dusky silo]

well as a fury max i did was +7 😄

203 ilvl

[undone jacinth]

haha then you will be fine, tanking is mostly about player skill/experience not so much the spec until really high levels

if you enjoy the play style then just go for it

[dusky silo]

i used to play prot pala and brewmaster monk

[undone jacinth]

same

[dusky silo]

only think that stops me from switching is crafting a new legendary

i hate torghast

[undone jacinth]

what legendary do you have

[dusky silo]

deathmaker

225

and 190 signet

[undone jacinth]

I mean don’t get too hung up on Lego, you are able to do all the content you’re doing and signet is fun as Prot

Lego isn’t critical

[dusky silo]

blizzard gives me 1 handed weapons all the time as fury so it might be a sign

[undone jacinth]

you will need a shield!

[valid zodiac]

I've done the TC all layers. My strat was reset the first anima when you enter until you get Execute power. After that look for Leap + Shout + Shout dmg taken

Had no issue until layer 8 floor 17 because I was unlucky with some HP power but nothing careful pulls wouldn't taken care off

[dusky silo]

i got a shield drop form daily cache 197 ilvl 😦 and i cant drop a 2h weapon for fury

[undone jacinth]

yeah well definitely play whatever you enjoy the most

Legos/covenant and all that aren’t essential

[dusky silo]

youre talking to a necrolord fury 😉

[undone jacinth]

lmao

I will go necro at one point for sure

as soon as they fix that 3min CD

[dusky silo]

for the armor?

[undone jacinth]

looks so good

but I actually want the banner ability

I like team buffs

it’s just too long

[dusky silo]

they should let us carry the banner

[undone jacinth]

definitely

[dusky silo]

and reduce the cooldown

[remote hawk]

how much more stam does a taruen get out of the racial ?

[torpid granite]

5%? dont quote me

[dusky silo]

is it percantage based?

[torpid granite]

that idk

[dusky silo]

it just says a number

btw whats the stat priority for prot?

[undone jacinth]

haste + whatever

[strong forum]

It's just a number for tauren, flat HP increase

Not %based

[undone jacinth]

usually vers defensive mastery offensive

but all stats give bits of both

[dusky silo]

i have %30 mastery since i switched from fury

lets see how this works

gonna keep 235 deathmaker since it has good stats

[undone jacinth]

yeah good idea

I’m at 33% mastery or so and it’s ok

just trying to avoid the dr

[dusky silo]

dr?

[primal rain]

how to decide, kyrian/night fae?

[undone jacinth]

after u get 30% from stats you start to get dr on how many stats it gives you, starts at 10%

[strong forum]

at 40% the 20% diminishing return tax kicks in

at 30% its 10% tax

the 10% tax is kinda w/e

[undone jacinth]

still would rather avoid

[strong forum]

its like 3-5 mastery you drop per item with mastery, from 30-40%

[undone jacinth]

I’ve also assumed it doesn’t include the base mastery so I still have a bit of room

gear is only giving like 25 or something

[strong forum]

im at 26%

with 328 mastery

[undone jacinth]

overall or from gear, that sounds like overall

[strong forum]

you lose a total of 25 mastery points

[undone jacinth]

I have a lot higher mastery

[undone jacinth]

and less from gear I think

yeah so 14

I assumed it’s the from gear figure

not including the base

[strong forum]

no clue actually

[undone jacinth]

it does state ‘from gear’

[strong forum]

would make sense to not include the base

ye so you need like 700 mastery

for the tax to kick in

[undone jacinth]

it’s a % base and like lust etc doesn’t dr so should be the same

yeah

it’s possible I think

but on the limit of the tier

[strong forum]

its possible

but lmao

why would you actively want to get 700 mastery

[undone jacinth]

I’m gonna try and get full 226 haste mastery if it doesn’t soft cap me

not sure what the totals are tho

[strong forum]

33 haste is 1% i think

[undone jacinth]

I’m pretty sure I won’t hit haste dr

[undone sun]

33 Haste = 1% Haste
35 Crit = 1% Crit
35 Mastery = 1 Mastery Point
40 Vers = 1% Vers

[undone jacinth]

hmm really

interesting

[strong forum]

Thyme ready with the notepad.txt ready

[undone jacinth]

I always felt like haste was higher

maybe it’s because of the base

[strong forum]

the values have changed a bit from BFA to SL

[undone jacinth]

I have less mastery than haste and higher mastery I’m pretty sure

ignoring base

[primal rain]

Do people who play all specs put revenge and whirlwind on same bind?

[hallow phoenix]

No

[undone jacinth]

I do

[hallow phoenix]

I keep whirlwind as a separate bind for when I want to meme torghast with the revenge power

[undone jacinth]

5 is my aoe button

[hallow phoenix]

Tclap as prot = WW as arms/fury keybinds

[undone jacinth]

thunderclap in 2021 😂

[primal rain]

Does Thunder Clap = Thrash (bear)?

[undone jacinth]

yeah

[hallow phoenix]

I thought swipe was their aoe

[undone jacinth]

both

[hallow phoenix]

Dolphin tclap is OP with tgv

[primal rain]

Swipe is filler

[undone jacinth]

u thrash mostly due to Lego

and dmg

swipe is like ww

[primal rain]

except they press swipe 😦

[undone jacinth]

revenge then

it builds a bit of rage too

[primal rain]

I dont think swipe can generate rage

[undone jacinth]

unless I’ve been hallucinating it generates like 3 rage or something

that is my main but I barely pay attention to swipe because thrash

[undone sun]

no rage from swipe

[primal rain]

It's aoe devatate

Only used to proc Shield Slam Mangle

that actually feels unfair that it's aoe, while devastate is ST

[undone jacinth]

yeah u are right I guess I must just notice my incoming dmg rage at the same time

[grizzled forge]

Back to that signet ability but if avatar procs recklessness it’s just more rage gene aswell assuming it doesn’t proc bladestorm

Sorry I went to sleep on convo wake up 1400 messages later

[primal rain]

Blood Frenzy makes guardians get passive rage from Thrash

I actually dont know where to put Challenging Shout

And Victory Rush too

[grizzled forge]

@solemn magnet and you still have the look from kyrian or?

[undone jacinth]

challenging shout c5 for me

rush c1

[primal rain]

How do you c5?

[undone jacinth]

‘Sometimes use’ buttons

Ctrl 5

[primal rain]

how

[undone jacinth]

little finger ctrl index finger 5

[primal rain]

Can you still run while you press it

[undone jacinth]

left and forward yeah but the press takes no time at all

[solemn magnet]

yes, still looks like kyrian

[undone jacinth]

and I just rotate my camera if I desperately need to strafe

[undone jacinth]

it does yeah, it’s nice but you generally use on pull when your rage gen is already massively high

every tick of ravager is a revenge though!

[open monolith]

jesus ctrl 5 is comfortable to you?

do you have giant bear-man watermelon hands?

or maybe I just have dainty little hands

that is horrible to press

[undone jacinth]

up to 5 is comfort for me with my big bear hands yeah

[grizzled forge]

I mean there’s times where avatar is up in keys and other stuff isn’t no?

[open monolith]

use Avatar on CD

[undone jacinth]

you had to play counter strike up to 5 so I learned young

[primal rain]

Spear of Bastion acts like a traditional dot right? Once they're hit, they dont need to stay in right?

[grizzled forge]

But massive rage gen and full rage is just more IP or revenge spam etc no?

[open monolith]

unless the pack you're about to kill is very close to death

[undone jacinth]

it’s just good yeah, I’m saying that you tend to open with it though so it’s effect can be diminished

it’s not a thing you play around it’s like a nice bonus

because you want to be revenging while you have the buff anyways

[primal rain]

when you have what buff?

avatar or recklessness?

[hollow zodiac]

blood-spattered scale is so fucking good that's insane

13% heal & 2.5% dps overall

on a 12

[jagged pier]

and i still dont have one C:

[hollow zodiac]

just got it an hour ago

[grizzled forge]

He’s saying you want to be revenging when you have avatar up

[open monolith]

blood spattered scale is so good I'm still using a 171 version

despite having several other 200 and 203 trinkets

i will only replace blood-spattered scale with a higher ilvl version of it, or the denathrius trinket

[sonic mesa]

Is it so good the scale?

im using quantum device the cube (203) and the trinket that prevents u from dieing ilvl 200

got a scale ilvl 184 should i use that?

[jagged pier]

scale is better than device

even a 171 one

[open monolith]

I would use a 171 scale over a 220 cube.

The shield it provides is basically an extra defensive CD. it's solid.

my Ideal trinkets are:
m+: Splintered Heart of a'lar + Blood-Spattered Scale or Denathrius shield Trinket
Raid: Anima field emitter + Blood-spattered scale or Denathrius shield trinket

[dusty bridge]

Prot the way to go for twisting corridors?

[strong forum]

most likely

im on layer 8 right now

taking it slow cuz layer 7 the casters did 500k per cast 🙂

this was last boss

[placid oar]

Hi guys, for Heroic Sire. Is there anything I can do to take less dmg?

I am taking 18k dmg per hit whenever I cross the mirror

Any advice?

[strong forum]

have LS/SW/ external for that

also tank swap always after getting hit by wracking pain

[placid oar]

Okay got it

Thanks Nomeratur

So for the sword bleed we don’t swap?

[strong forum]

sword bleed is w/e

you just swap on wracking pain

[placid oar]

Okay got it

[strong forum]

100% of the time

[placid oar]

So I only pop when through the mirror, I will use a personal when I’m tanking sire

I don’t need to pop any for the sword correct ?

[strong forum]

shouldnt need to

you dont rack up many bleeds

if you swap on every wracking pain

like 2-3 tops

[placid oar]

Ok got it, so when I pass the mirror. I will only pop CD when I tank sire

Thanks again

[strong forum]

you shouldnt need one though

it helps

but technically shouldnt need

[grizzled forge]

should we be running inspiring pres for raid?

[placid oar]

Ah okay, thanks a lot Nomeratur. Cos my monk tank and I keep dying whenever we cross the mirro

Appreciate the guidance and advice

[strong forum]

only if you have a finesse slot available

but yes its amazing for raid

[weak snow]

how bad is prot venthyr? 😄

[sweet summit]

its alright

definitely the best, but you can make it work well

[weak snow]

that sentence confuses me 😄

[strong forum]

not the best

good in raid

meh in m+

[grizzled forge]

so then for raid ideally what should we be running for soulbinds or is there a pin on it i missed

[strong forum]

no clue about that department

only know bout Kyrian cuz thats best

[grizzled forge]

ya so what conduits would you run

[strong forum]

this for damage

and middle tree for general use

[hollow zodiac]

guys quick question: do you know a website that would recommend optimized path in M+ ?

[dusky mica]

https://raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route

[hollow zodiac]

perfect, thanks!

[tight flint]

what dungeon trinkets should I aim for

[open monolith]

Blood-Spattered Scale

anima Field Emitter

[restive flax]

imagine having them :/

[tight flint]

ty

[open monolith]

@strong forum you tank swap 1 stack of wracking pain? Thought it was 2 😮

[strong forum]

1

lmao

why would you swap on 2

when you can swap on 1

[open monolith]

idk o.o just always did 2. it never hurt enough to matter

buuuuut im talking about normal so it's irrelevant

[strong forum]

normal

ah

well

there you just go in

and kill it

dont need to do any strats really

[restive flax]

on normal you kinda have to tankswap for the bleeding debuff of the sword. wracking pain is managable

[strong forum]

only did it once

and it was 1 pull

so idk

legit dont know

[sinful spire]

good morning, my mouseover charge macro doesnt work when i switch to Prot? anyone got one i can use please?

[wooden heath]

what weapon thing do you all run? oils or sharpening stones?

[sinful spire]

oils

will mainly just tank M+s

[wooden heath]

ok ill keep using oils then yes I meant for M+ just getting into 10s so trying to help as much as I can

[open monolith]

I would use whichever is cheaper, honestly

I don't think the difference between the 2 is huge

[wooden heath]

ok thank you!

[ocean bloom]

anyone have any vods/videos of prot warr's in m+? trying to see what im doing wrong lol

[open monolith]

you can check twitch.tv/nomeratur or twitch.tv/snse for vods

[strong forum]

Ima stream some m+ in an hour

But only 14-15s

Ain't living that push life

[open monolith]

If you watch Nomeratur's stream just mute the audio so you don't have to listen to his group talk 🙂

[strong forum]

[ocean bloom]

is your UI a variation of atrocity's? looks very similar lol

or is that just the current meta of UI;s lol

[strong forum]

Na it's my own

But yeah atrocitys and mine are very similar it seems

[open monolith]

everyone's UI who plays the game at a somehwat higher-than-average level likely has the same setup

Health bars of yourself and enemy in the middle, usually below or on the sides of your cooldowns / abilities

nothing else matters

[crisp girder]

Hey got a little question for you guys what is your opinion on what race is best for protection

[signal plover]

dorf 🙂

[open monolith]

The racials barely matter honestly, but

Dwarf / Dark Iron Dwarf / Kul'tiran / Highmountain Tauren

prbably in that order

[signal plover]

warrior race is all about xmog tbh

gotta look beefy

[crisp girder]

whats xmog sorry if thats a noob question

[signal plover]

transmog 🙂

you can easily play any race as a warrior

[strong forum]

Dwarf > vulpera > troll > rest

[signal plover]

u furry nom

heck

[open monolith]

stop spreading vulpera lies ffs

[strong forum]

You can't stop facts

[open monolith]

5% of the first hit does not amount to meaningful miigation

get out of here

[strong forum]

Oh but it does

[open monolith]

not even putting Kultiran on your list

[strong forum]

Also the 10k+ heal

[open monolith]

which heals back 2% of all damage

[strong forum]

5% of your max hp* BTW sock

It's not 5% less

It's 5% of your max hp less

[open monolith]

I know you want to justify your deviant and degenerate furry lifestyle

but you can't keep spreading these filthy lies

[strong forum]

[crisp girder]

so how bad are orcs

[strong forum]

Very

[open monolith]

they're fine

all races are fine

[crisp girder]

ty sock

[ocean bloom]

Orcs are big and ugle so they are bad 🙂

[open monolith]

play the one you like the look of best, or if you don't care about looks, play the ones with the best defensive racials

[strong forum]

Which then is vulpera 😏

But yeah, go for looks

It's a teeny tiny difference

That doesn't make or break anything

[crisp girder]

incorrect they are big and beautiful and they don't have fur so it's a plus

[open monolith]

Dwarf/Dark Iron Dwarf/ Kul'tiran / High mountain Tauren. those are your "best defensive racials".

but real men play female trolls

[lime urchin]

Gnomes are superior race

[signal plover]

ban^

[strong forum]

For raiding sock, yea

But you legit can't argue that any race(besides dwarf) is better defensively than vulpera in m+

It's not a meme

[open monolith]

ye sI can

and yes it is a meme

2% of all damage healed back over the course of an entire dungeon will results in SIGNIFICANTLY more damage "reduced" than 5% of our max hp for the first hit of every mob.

[strong forum]

now i need to find a log with a kultiran

fuck me

[open monolith]

I find myself staring in awe and disbelief at those numbers

[strong forum]

logs dont lie 🙂

[crisp girder]

photoshop does jk

[open monolith]

have to also show total incoming damage, though 😮

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/pTp6SZx.png

this was total dmg taken

[open monolith]

If you somehow prove to me that Vulpera racial legit isn't a meme I'll fucking race change today

because I'm secretly a furry anyway

[strong forum]

it was the best race in s4

before panda vers stacking

became a thing.

im being serious here

[open monolith]

but... but their mogs are shit 😦

aesthetics are everything

[open monolith]

yes, thank you for proving my point

you look like shit

🙂

[strong forum]

looks fucking amazing

98% of horde races are ugly

besides vulpera, belf and troll

tauren and orcs are the most ugly

by far

[open monolith]

WHERE'S THAT KUL'TIRAN LOG

[strong forum]

go find me a kultiran warri

doing 14s

with a log

[signal plover]

I've seen like 2 kultirans total of any class

Their mog textures are legit trash

[open monolith]

can you search by race in warcraft logs

[valid zodiac]

Slimey organ (207) vs Sinful gladiator of Alacrity(200)?

The plaguefall slime trinket vs pvp haste / str proc one

[strong forum]

alacrity

the slime trinket is useless

throw it into the trash

[valid zodiac]

alright

Always nice to see that one item you get once in a blue moon is shit

[open monolith]

:| so I found a log on de other side of a kultiran

a 15 key

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a3NfMX91KnpFyLdt#fight=12&type=healing&source=7

I'm not feeling great about it

[strong forum]

🙂

2% of damage taken sounds alot more than it actually is

[open monolith]

5% of max hp the first hit sounds fucking tiny

i don't get it

what is a 60 prot warrior's max hp these days

[strong forum]

theres alot of mobs in m+

that all hit you

i have 61.5k

[open monolith]

so 3,050 ish off the first instance of damage of each mob

that is likely more useful against casters than auto attacky boys

[strong forum]

yup, at the weakest moment of every pull

the start

[open monolith]

god dammit nome

fuck you

[strong forum]

🙂

[open monolith]

fuck you and your stupid math

what dungeon was your log from

[open monolith]

I NEED IT TO BE EQUAL

[strong forum]

also this

[open monolith]

yeah yeah, GCD heal

whatever

[strong forum]

with avatar + mastery proc up

this can crit for quite alot

[open monolith]

the best part is that you can make camp outside of your covenant hall

[strong forum]

oh tru

havent used camp in months

[open monolith]

make camp right next to spires of ascension lion that flies you up there

[strong forum]

cuz it was omega buggy

[open monolith]

anyway what dungeon was that log from

yours

[strong forum]

mists

this is DoS 12

[open monolith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wv9HbP7pKJD1kyGm#fight=28&type=healing

mists 15 KT

[strong forum]

nice 90k

[open monolith]

:|

I am fucking mystified.

like I'm not so stupid as to not understand how it works

but it still just like... doesn't make sense

[strong forum]

you take 10k dmg

you then heal 200 of that

over a couple seconds

it doesnt just insta heal 200

[open monolith]

you know, I think I get where my brain was farting

[hardy trench]

Can you SS the log for the KT 15?

[open monolith]

I really did think it was 5% of the damage taken

[hardy trench]

I am at work and cant see it

[open monolith]

not 5% of your max hp

that is what makes the big difference.

[strong forum]

well yeah

its a 100% 3k absorb on the first hit from every mob

vs trickle healing of 2% of dmg taken

but all the time

[open monolith]

that's the kul'tiran mists 15

healing done

[hardy trench]

tyty

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/kLvt3uW.png hoa 15

[open monolith]

hmmm, does high mountain tauren show up in logs?

[strong forum]

isnt HMT just 1% less physical dmg taken or smth

[open monolith]

it's a flat amount from each attack

afaik

oh hit's just character lvel *3

lol

[strong forum]

yeah so even worse

you need to get hit almost 20 times by a mob

for HMT to outweigh Vulpera for 1 mob

[open monolith]

oh actually that data might be outdated

Reduces damage taken by (Stamina * 0.0003 * 20).

per wowhead

I am not sure if that shows up on logs anywhere

if it does, I don't know where to see it

hmmm, I don't see updated numbers for Rugged Tenacity since 9.0.1