Like what to kite and when, routing etc.
#protection
digital nova
there's a prot called sense I watch on youtube, helped out my mitigation timings and kite timings a lot
jagged pier
follow Nome or sense
digital nova
also, for high keys, try to get in comms and work out interrupts. Even better if you can get s astatic 5-man group
it makes a massive difference
lusty marsh
Comms is no issue, I go with guildies most of the time
jagged pier
I would stream myself but i dont do high keys and pug most of the time XD
lusty marsh
I wouldn't be able to do 10s without kick rotations
Not that I've timed any 10s yet
Only 9s
But i havent tried extensively
digital nova
fort week, you could probably push 10+ now
jagged pier
this week is push week
digital nova
the affixes are chill af
digital nova
compared to last weeks dick in a blender affixes
lusty marsh
Yeah but you're the prot I aspire to be heading into mythic.
digital nova
no im not lmaoo
lusty marsh
Jakey lol
digital nova
Jakey is boss
jagged pier
dont aspire to be me far better prots than me
lusty marsh
You're the next step on the ladder
But you're a few rungs up atm
Aka my goal is to push 14-15 and start mythic
If I can get there on this tier, it'll be extra nice next major patch when gear scales better for us.
(At least as far as I've been told we get way better as gear increases)
lusty marsh
Is there any chance of us actually getting to 100% SB uptime.
lusty marsh
Isn't that what it is?
ionic fern
No.
ionic fern
You need to have SB up for it to extend.
strong forum
you always get SB when you press it, even if you dont have it
ionic fern
^
mighty valley
Think I'd still rather have bolster in most cases? Interesting though
carmine crag
that would def make heavy repercussions best talent
jagged pier
Aka my goal is to push 14-15 and start mythic
happy to help anyway i can, can stream on the odd occation if you want but youll get more from watching Nome or sense
nimble drift
Jakey how many 15s you got done
jagged pier
0
nimble drift
how many 14s
strong forum
That would skew our stat prio even harder towards haste.
cant skew it harder
nimble drift
haha tbh I hate m+ too
nimble drift
I just want the keystone master mount tbh
nimble drift
8 more 14s?
nimble drift
Idk. I'm having a dilema. I have a friend I want to run with but its difficult just running with 1 guy and pugs. Meanwhile my guild has great groups going constantly and they're always asking me to tank
lusty marsh
I just want to get the best loot I can from vault
jagged pier
but i sort of exclusivly run Hoa or Mists XD
nimble drift
So I'm like, fuck do I snake my friend at the sake of my io or what
jagged pier
i wish my guild would invite me to keys XD i saw they were pugging a tank last night and signed up
but they didnt ask me
lusty marsh
Damn
ionic fern
Sounds like a solid guild.
jagged pier
but tbf to them they are big big pushers
lusty marsh
Good enough for raid, but not m+
jagged pier
and im not
lusty marsh
Ah
jagged pier
but it was a 14 so it was chill run anyway
lusty marsh
See, that's how far apart we are. 14s are chill to you.
jagged pier
well yer pretty chill
no need to stress about it
just chill youll play better
like the problem is a lot of the guild are students and play all night and in the day
lusty marsh
Not everything makes me stress. Just the big problem packs.
jagged pier
so i cant join them anyway got to work
lusty marsh
Like nw casters, or de other side raptor packs.
Or the entirety of plaguefall
(Okay really just the spider packs at the end)
Bears also stress me sometimes.
nimble drift
@lusty marsh raptor packs?
hallow phoenix
That raptor pack should be the easiest pull in the dungeon for pwar
lusty marsh
Bone raptors iirc or maybe it's the warriors, but they can melt you in a second if your mitigation isn't up
Or they have melted me, maybe I was pulling too much
lusty marsh
The ones at the steps of hakkar
nimble drift
What is the ability
in DoS
that one mob casts
which gives haste to the other casters
its in like the big caster pulls
hallow phoenix
There's such a thing?
lofty widget
the deaths embrace
lusty marsh
I need to delve more into the sr sheet
lofty widget
if you got a mage, priest, shaman, let them purge it tho
waste of a kick on those packs, there's so much else to kick
lofty widget
targets a random mob
hallow phoenix
I only pay attention to shadowcore and scribe
cinder storm
^
lofty widget
yeep
lusty marsh
Wtb boss rush dungeon without trash.
jagged pier
Bone raptors iirc or maybe it's the warriors, but they can melt you in a second ...
DoS is basically kite kite and kite
jagged pier
same
lusty marsh
Oh, how do you handle aggro when kiting.
jagged pier
use everything on pull
nimble drift
Revenge
lusty marsh
I already have a DH who likes to open with his double beam and rip aggro
jagged pier
put some revenges in
nimble drift
Spear
jagged pier
and run
lofty widget
blow your load then get away asap
nimble drift
run and then toss out your ravager
or pre-toss it
before charge
and then remember on big packs with magic damage shield wall is your friend
cinder storm
Challenging shout if you are going to kite or jump in if you know one dps tends to steal aggro
nimble drift
I always make sure to have people in group ki8ck the first few casts, then once I lose reflect, go into shield wall
uneven mason
and then remember on big packs with magic damage shield wall is your friend
Don't neglect IP on caster boys
uneven mason
I already have a DH who likes to open with his double beam and rip aggro
replace him with a hunter who can misdirect and increase your groups DPS by 10x and fix aggro issues
uneven mason
I mean
nimble drift
If they're long time friends you just gotta deal with it
hallow phoenix
LS+Ravager with the last stand conduit is giga rage for IP spam
Along with ancient aftershock
uneven mason
Pay him $5 to re roll to hunter?
mellow patio
Yeah just make them reroll
lusty marsh
He is our token dh for raid, and the co raid leader
lusty marsh
He was going to be but a prot pally wanted to tank and they let her.
uneven mason
He is our token dh for raid, and the co raid leader
Tell him to reroll warlock then, same DPS increase as his buff, but without the melee
strong forum
we are also limit, but extremely limited brain capacity
jagged pier
Tru
are raid leader didnt actually need the first three so on wednesday so he did the outside raid leader thing 
we should basically go for WF now
jagged pier
plus lot better people who have more time to put in and like doing it
distant crystal
"sorry can't call anything cause i can't see through this huge boss"
jagged pier
dont get me wrong i used to do it years ago before this guild
strong forum
all you do is call out your AA notes and what BW is showing
the limit WAs help quite alot tho
gotta say
is ๐
jagged pier
yer thats what you do, i mean we have had some spreadsheets for nzoth etc of cds and positions and stuff
lusty marsh
Those Weak auras are king
cinder nova
Limit WAs?
distant crystal
your face is amazing
cinder nova
What's the first one?
strong forum
thanks!
cinder nova
I get the 2nd
strong forum
shows who has mechanics on them
with a glow on their border
with different colours meaning differen things
cinder nova
Does this require any specific addons or other auras?
or is it smart and applies it to your existing plates more or less
strong forum
the glow works on its own
cinder nova
That's rad as fuck
strong forum
the personal CDs needs Zentracker
cinder nova
What's it do?
strong forum
enables special interactions
cinder nova
so it's a backend thing
lusty marsh
Oh oh, what's the wa that changes dbm bars into a vertical timeline
I love that one too
chilly brook
im actually the token warrior in my raid
Our one dps warrior rerolled to monk since I'm playing prot now
uneven mason
I've got 2 warriors in my raid for now.
chilly brook
Oh oh, what's the wa that changes dbm bars into a vertical timeline
Just search timeline on wago.io
lusty marsh
At work atm, i can just check my weak auras when i get home in 2 hours.
Was just going to say I was a big fan of it
night tusk
Having Threat issues in Mythic+10s. downloaded Omen and doesnt even show up in the adds. Downloaded Basic threat bar and I can't get it to work and i've search for a setup guide but cannot find one
so turning here for help
blazing condor
I just came back and i still got ilvl 120 BFA gear and now i got a 161ilvl "upgrade" that gives me +40-50 secondary but i lose 15 str/stam
is it worth changing?
modern brook
idr if there was an actual cutoff where it became better
i did like 30 ilvls
so i would
blazing condor
i keep it all in my inv for ilvl but it feels weird
to lose so much main stat
but yeah idk the cutoff
lusty marsh
Do either, I wouldn't worry too much about gear, just get a bunch of heroic gear and do a world tour of m0
If you aremt comfortable jumping into m+
chilly brook
I just came back and i still got ilvl 120 BFA gear and now i got a 161ilvl "upgr...
If you get more overall stats it's the way to go
Take it all add it up
Or just put on the ilvl pieces because it won't actually matter
lusty marsh
You should be able to replace it pretty soon regardless
blazing condor
id hope so ๐
chilly brook
It really won't matter
blazing condor
aight thanks fellas
chilly brook
The 15 strength/stam wont make a difference
Just like tbh armor kits wont in reality but they make your health pool look nice and theres no reason not to
But secondary stats will actually make a difference
Hence why just equip the highest ilvl tbh
Because yes you might lose some strength/stam but you gain a ton of secindaries that you wouldn't have
sterile moss
well, fury's getting a buff
silver trout
uneven mason
8%
oo lets break out the champagne
MIght beat the Protection paladins now
maybe
west kayak
Got Torghast: Twisting Corridor completed. Much better RNG the second time around for Layer 8.
uneven mason
Its more like you just don't want bad RNG
west kayak
Yea, my first attempt at Layer 8 was 90% defensive. I could not kill the Elites fast enough before they overwhelmed me.
chilly brook
Cant overwhelm you if they cant do damage
I had 85% reduced damage from armor alone last night
chilly brook
Spell reflect is hilarious in TC
night tusk
Having Threat issues in Mythic+10s. downloaded Omen and doesnt even show up in the adds. Downloaded Basic threat bar and I can't get it to work and i've search for a setup guide but cannot find one
so turning here for help
uneven mason
Well, if you're pumping damage and still losing aggro
threat meter won't help you
since its probably AE
either that or your DPS just outgears you by a ton
chilly brook
Having Threat issues in Mythic+10s. downloaded Omen and doesnt even show up in t...
Threat plates
Have it change depending on whether you have aggro or are losing aggro
And do damage
lusty marsh
I use plater myself
uneven mason
using basic elvUI stuff and they change red/green depending
red for "lost aggro" (if prot)
orange for "about to change target"
last mason
where are u guys spearing in wake this week
chilly brook
Probably bosses still tbh
I cant think of a singular mob that I'm truly scared of in NW besides the caster before the bridge which I just skip anyways
last mason
none of the big necromancers?
astral crystal
griff upholding the gootecks legacy
chilly brook
none of the big necromancers?
Like the ones at the start with the portals?
No dont pull those
last mason
nah the miniboss guys
chilly brook
Theres only one
last mason
like pre bridge and pre 2nd boss
chilly brook
And hes before the bridge
The one before the 2nd boss is just a normal mob
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
last mason
do you think kyrian + pride + spear is overkill for the first bboss
thats the only reason im asking i guess
tardy parcel
@chilly brook do you happen to have your route written out anywhere? necrotic wake is my least favorite dungeon by far
jovial sequoia
Any prot warriors hitting a wall at around 13-14 M+ (212 I lvl) Any advice?
astral crystal
kite
also what do you consider unmitigatable? you can mitigate everything
just depends on your defensive/cd use
but right now you are supposed to do a fair bit of kiting depending on the trash pack
jovial sequoia
alright blame the healers got it
astral crystal
no lol
jovial sequoia
ok rolling Dh got it
astral crystal
idk if youve watched DH tanks
but they specialize in kiting
that's kind of their niche
anyway you need to evaluate when you have to jump out and let some CDs come up
and have your team lay down snares etc
also
rain burrow
The top prot warriors on raider io are 207-214 ilvl lol
astral crystal
your survivability is also dependent on how good your group's dps is
lusty marsh
Wait.... I'm a top prot war
astral crystal
the faster shit dies the less you die obv
spiral wave
wut if you run ret/feral/mw/udk
jovial sequoia
That means im top too
tardy parcel
live footage of my m+ group watching me run around when fighting trash
jovial sequoia
yay
astral crystal
ret does good burst every 4 mins, and udk is just good dps overall at least
chilly brook
<@!133532617940140032> do you happen to have your route written out anywhere? ne...
I have it on my MDT but not readily available
chilly brook
Any prot warriors hitting a wall at around 13-14 M+ (212 I lvl) Any advice?
Use your buttons
I've been doing those keys with little problem outside of if I screw up
tardy parcel
I have it on my MDT but not readily available
All good, no worries. Was j/w
lusty marsh
That's our secret, we're always screwing up.
chilly brook
Its definitely an adjustment from Tyrannical
But you shouldn't be having issues once you adjust and if you play well
spiral wave
whats the dps on your runs sit at overall
tepid niche
you can change from Crackling thunder to Bounding stride helps a little with Fortifying
chilly brook
whats the dps on your runs sit at overall
Depends on the dungeon but anywhere from 3.0-3.8k
eternal ice
should I use ravager or crackling thunder
or whatever avatar makes thunder do more dmg
spiral wave
@chilly brook is your grps dps all like 4-5k?
chilly brook
Depends
chilly brook
I dont really have a consistent group
chilly brook
But I mean we 2 chested keys with one person below 4k
astral crystal
i wish we could hit 5 kmane
chilly brook
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
spiral wave
when your clearing 14+
chilly brook
They should probably be over 4k at least for 14s
spiral wave
okie dokie
jolly spindle
jesus
are you guys watching the preach stream
the prot warrior comment was sadge
glossy glacier
whats the best enchant for mostly ST? sinful or celest?
sterile moss
the prot warrior comment was sadge
yup ๐ฆ
chilly brook
whats the best enchant for mostly ST? sinful or celest?
Sim it
acoustic stratus
ok the DoS trash is impossible, even when kiting this is stupid
jagged pier
whats the best enchant for mostly ST? sinful or celest?
sinful will sim higher but it has no worth in aoe
lusty marsh
Someone quote the comment
chilly brook
ok the DoS trash is impossible, even when kiting this is stupid
It's not impossible
acoustic stratus
the first pack is a run killer, at least with me, I cant live
lusty marsh
First pack is fine.
chilly brook
Kick the caster
lusty marsh
Do not pull onto the stairs
acoustic stratus
Even on 12+ and over keys I feel so reliant on others or I am just dead
midnight stone
You're always reliant on others, thats the nature of dungeons
midnight stone
Might not be staggering CDs efficiently, or the pull is just living too long
acoustic stratus
its generally the latter
midnight stone
Is it stated that they should be saving CDs? Some people might be saving for pull 2
acoustic stratus
people expect lust on hakkar in pugs
chilly brook
And you sit the big guy who casts shadowcore and kick it
midnight stone
Are you getting them prideful for hakkar?
acoustic stratus
yeah
acoustic stratus
call it what you want, people expect it
chilly brook
^^
acoustic stratus
and in ardenweild
stuff just goes to shit
people buttpulling mobs or the fucking cranes
getting too much
acoustic stratus
i hate the entire area
chilly brook
Just stun the cry
acoustic stratus
and why is there so many invisible mobs, god i hate it
lusty marsh
Do you pull the dragon?
chilly brook
You pull them anyways for %
acoustic stratus
yeah, i just have never had a good time in DoS
acoustic stratus
really? i prefer PF
eternal ice
whats PF i haven't learned abbreviaion
acoustic stratus
at least PF doesnt have random mobs who will attract others
acoustic stratus
guess so
eternal ice
might as well run in and challenging shout
acoustic stratus
the one thing about pf that i cant stop is tentacles being pulled
thats always shit
chilly brook
No it just has mobs that put 3 different classes of debuffs on you that are all uninterruptible casts
eternal ice
mhm
chilly brook
And a ton of damage that you cant mitigate
eternal ice
PF is hard to get % for me I dont' know that one well at all
acoustic stratus
just be dwarf bro
chilly brook
Then I'd have to be alliance
eternal ice
im dark iron dwarf yerd
lusty marsh
Pf can suck it
acoustic stratus
vulpera seems to be the play nowadays
chilly brook
Being alliance is probably contributing to your shit pug experiences
eternal ice
furry
acoustic stratus
just for the intial cushion
chilly brook
I mean being Blood Elf is pretty pog
acoustic stratus
na nopse for trouble is great
eternal ice
allaince is better
digital nova
both factions are shit pug experiences lol
eternal ice
we dont have trolls
digital nova
lets be real
eternal ice
and we have a leader ๐
chilly brook
Lots of things you can let get cast and just purge yourself
lusty marsh
I'd rather a dungeon full of caster elite packs from NW
eternal ice
100k dps
acoustic stratus
its just beefy
strange lintel
just too used to having infinite die by the sword to try anything else heh
eternal ice
lol yupp
lusty marsh
I agree torghast is novelty, but still painfully slow.
eternal ice
I hope they add somethign cool to torghast like agatha/xylem/kruul
that would be sick
lusty marsh
I hate the soul forges dot
eternal ice
I like mists
lusty marsh
Really?
acoustic stratus
it requires way too many interrupts
lusty marsh
Spires is probably my second favorite after mists
eternal ice
leat fav is plaguefall fuck that bch
lusty marsh
It does require a lot of interrupts.
lusty marsh
And CC on the winged sword chicks
lusty marsh
The most troublesome pack for me in spires is the giant group of etherdivers, but that's easily solved with a mass pull and spear.
acoustic stratus
i do, guess they live too long
lusty marsh
Are you doing the 2 pack pull with the spear?
acoustic stratus
not thats suicide in a pug
lusty marsh
Idk how well that scales with higher keys
acoustic stratus
i dont know how people do double pulls in spire
lusty marsh
I only double pull that one spot because of the spear with like a 10 second stun
chilly brook
Are you reflecting all the casts or just 1 or 2
Because they really shouldn't be living very long
They die super quick
lusty marsh
How do you reflect all the casts?
acoustic stratus
on fort? they're pretty beefy
chilly brook
So you sync up the casts
undone jacinth
he means shockwave
acoustic stratus
yea im reflecting everything possible
i guess i could fear them if they dont die
lusty marsh
Wait.... you can mass reflect as long as the casts happen at the exact same time?
undone jacinth
yea
chilly brook
the prot warrior comment was sadge
Would you like to share with the class?
acoustic stratus
being brought for the buff essentially
acoustic stratus
which is w/e, blizzard change there tune on bring the player not the class like in legion
now its vice versa
jolly spindle
they said they predicted months before prot would be trash
and they completly gutted it
acoustic stratus
the hell does trash mean, without the hyperbole
acoustic stratus
jailer says you're out
chilly brook
I mean "gutted" is a weird choice
It's not gutted really
It's different
But not gutted
We go through this every new xpac
chilly brook
being brought for the buff essentially
Who said it specifically because it pretty much goes against what Lightee has said
chilly brook
Max has bad takes regarding tanks tbh
undone jacinth
if they didnโt bring the buff I doubt they would have taken it
is just common sense
chilly brook
didn't echo basically run warriorless until sludge
undone jacinth
because they had a brew..
and no ww
they had to gear their ww late because they didnโt realise it was nuts
chilly brook
actually looks like echo used arms
undone jacinth
yes because they had a brew lol
chilly brook
It's super moot anyways
undone jacinth
u canโt bring a tank if itโs not strong enough regardless and thatโs the only thing ppl need to know
chilly brook
Obviously whatever "utility" a different "better" tank would have brought didn't matter enough
And yep
undone jacinth
no other tank brings as much utility
warrior is the best for utility
rally is unparalleled
but like bear is generally accepted as more tanky but brings almost nothing
so youโd only take it if you absolutely needed to, which is not the case
sterile moss
Yeah Max said they decided on prot warrior for the rally. But be basically said prot warrior is not good compared to the other tanks lol
but obviously rally is part of prot warr
undone jacinth
I mean he doesnโt even raid mythic as far as I can tell, let alone tank
lightees view was that Prot is better than people think
but the point is itโs good enough for the best raid content regardless and a decent level of m+ content
open monolith
nothing for prot in the current class tuning ๐
I know it is in-progress, but I'm calling it now: no changes
undone jacinth
tanks need to change somehow, it just depends how they want to do it
lavish oracle
@sterile moss When did he say it was not good compared to other tanks?
Iirc, he specifically called out that he thought it was better than brew and pally as far as tanking Denathrius's damage was concerned
But maybe I'm confusing Max's stream with someone else's
undone jacinth
I think thatโs a pretty objective statement
Prot pala feels like ur just tanking as holy paladin
and a brews have a pretty major bleed/dot issue
sick sentinel
did they remove rally from arms/fury?
undone jacinth
no
sick sentinel
so why not just bring arms for whatever arms brings
undone jacinth
because even on a fight perfectly designed for it arms is still not very good
you could have an extra range, extra ww, extra unholy etc
wicked lantern
so why not just bring arms for whatever arms brings
Cause Arms isnโt broken. Why waste a DPS spot on a class that isnโt broken?
open monolith
My jaw will absolutely drop if prot gets any buffs or changes at all
maybe another spell reflect nerf
chilly brook
Yeah Max said they decided on prot warrior for the rally. But be basically said ...
I mean Lightee has said BrM is a worse tank it just has more damage
undone jacinth
something needs to happen with tanks and if Prot doesnโt get buffs VDH needs some downward tuning, which might just make everyone quit tanking altogether lol
and thereโs probably like 1 spell in the expac that is op to reflect
robust cipher
I think if they increase our baseline armor aura by like 30%
we would be competitive
because we could facetank mobs and generate rage
which means more uptime and more dmg
wdyt?
wicked lantern
I just always think VDH tanks are so sloppy. Pulls just being dragged all over the place, mobs spread out, health spiking up and down like crazy. Idk, different boats I guess.
robust cipher
yep but you can put sigils and keep throwing glaives and keep kiting
you are like full hp all the time when kiting with VDH
no tank is facetanking mobs at 15+ without cd's this expansion
you will simply die no matter who you are
which is why vdh is so strong right now
:/
undone jacinth
they look sloppy but if u were watching a Prot do the same pull they would probably be dead
wicked lantern
So basically Leaper should be our BiS legendary?
undone jacinth
if u didnโt need to wall every pack sure
idk I need to see what itโs like with a 226 shield but the 30% armour thing doesnโt sound like the right answer
open monolith
VDH isn't good because they are tanky
they are good because they have all the good utility and amazing damage and amazing mobility
and the best cheat death talent in the game
and arguably the best mitigation CD in the game
undone jacinth
yes they are the best because of everything
open monolith
yep LOL
undone jacinth
some of these changes seem so dumb
how does buffing 2h damage do anything to the spec if nobody is playing it dual wield anyway
open monolith
it's just to bring it in line with dual wield
so they do the same-ish damage regardless of what they equip
undone jacinth
just hope it isnโt taking way from time actually balancing the spec itself
open monolith
well the 2 classes in question were monk and DK
spare cobalt
Arms is good for stone legion im p sure cause condemn
open monolith
Frost got a general buff, and the monk ones were just to balance the weapon types
undone jacinth
what was frosts general buff
sweet summit
2% damage while using 2hander
sweet summit
we did hungering->sunking->xymox->inerva
heady plaza
is there a reason why blood keeps getting buffs but not prot
open monolith
oh I thought Frost dk also got a blanket buff on top of the weapon buff, must have been thinking frost mage
undone jacinth
I think I would like to see target caps added to all abilities
or removed
I don't understand the point of having target caps when starfall exists how it does
open monolith
I agree.
But then marksman needs a giga-nerf
they are doing the insane damage they are with target caps
undone jacinth
well yeah they need to be deleted obviously
undone jacinth
nice
undone jacinth
default unitframes do make me sad though
open monolith
i still use default unitframes ๐ฎ
mighty valley
I have almost no UI changes, I've tried but I'm an old man who can't adapt
just some weakauras, please
undone jacinth
my game looks like it was made in 2099
open monolith
My only "UI changing" addons are bartender, blizzmove, and move anything
oh and I guess MASQUE: Darkscail
open monolith
do you consider weak auras a "ui changing" addon?
because that's definitely dead center of my screen lol
undone jacinth
and details
undone jacinth
I mean I only have omnicd elvui weakauras and details for ui
but that does change everything
undone jacinth
exactly
open monolith
I do like the look of elvui but... idk
it just feels wrong.
I'm objectively dumb for the way I feel
undone jacinth
I cant believe anyone doesnt use it
open monolith
and I am cognizant of that
undone jacinth
first time I installed
was actually what made me play the game
after having not played it for like 8 years
open monolith
i think what keeps me away from it is that I don't like anything that, if it loses support, will cripple my ability to play
(though if Clique ever loses support, I won't be able to heal again)
undone jacinth
I think it's unlikely it goes away
open monolith
true
undone jacinth
just seems like for the amount of qol it gives
its pointless not to
tempted to repeat the story instead of doing threads of fate on my alt
I actually like the structure
this expac is so insanely good
mighty valley
i did one alt with threads and one with story, story "felt" faster
sullen valve
@sweet summit @ionic fern that wowA bug you linked earlier has been identified and is being fixed. We blame @unborn coral for breaking more of my wowA stuff
mighty valley
probably easier to do things inefficiently when you're not being led around by the hand constantly
sweet summit
we love abealyzer! 
onyx geyser
hi all, which two of these should i be wearing? im mostly raiding with some m+ sprinkled in
sullen valve
I don't think @ionic fern posted this because he hates me but
Hey! I wanted to get a gage on what people think about and want in WoWAnalyzer so I put together a little survey together. This will help lead development towards things the community wants rather than what I, mw brain, thinks is needed. Feel free to be as brutal as you want to be :D
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeQgfZLYuKE8mh9spN88aVdwr4IECV6Bmd9zDGFaHS7EIKk-A/viewform
mighty valley
@onyx geyser splintered heart is only good for pushing progress bosses where tank incoming damage is really scary and you might save some wipes. same for keys that feel scary. for everything else, the left two will do more for you
undone jacinth
hi all, which two of these should i be wearing? im mostly raiding with some m+ s...
1 and 3 if you're scared, 1 and 2 if ur not
sullen valve
@sweet summit you should see a fix in like 20-30 minutes or something
onyx geyser
sounds good, if im finding myself taking big damage i'll just swap them out then
thanks!
undone jacinth
@sullen valve do you plan to introduce something that factors downtime on certain fights
like doesnt punish downtime during certain boss spells or something
sullen valve
downtime should already be built into the thresholds
If something seems overly aggressive just let me know
or let mwahi know so he can tell me
sullen valve
Tbh hold the praise i haven't done much for shadowlands and feel like a failure
well at least for prot
mw and holy paladin took up a lot of my time
and now im doing some resto druid stuffs
then we blast prot warrior
undone jacinth
it's hard to make it totally relevant for all specs, it is what it is, but fundamentally the way it's built is super impressive
sullen valve
Its all about mindset going it
undone jacinth
like the amount of situational nuance must be super hard
sullen valve
Like for healers we yell about not using cds even tho those are planned
sweet summit
nitpicking, but avatar is 30 rage now
undone jacinth
yeah exactly
sullen valve
but if you have 1 cast in like 10 minutes then clearly you're doing something wrong
sweet summit
also, is it possible to add something for condemn, right now i only have execute showing 0 casts :(
sullen valve
since for all healers your cd is the most mana efficient cast
I can do something for condemn
but avatar give 30 RAGE NOW?!?
FUCK
that changes is gonna take 3 years
sweet summit
:(
undone jacinth
I guess the dream would be to have some kind of parallel planning tool that you could then contrast with the analyzer to see how performance was in those planned windows
sullen valve
undone jacinth
like holding dps cds for the right windows etc
sweet summit
uhhh
zealous badger
1+3
sweet summit
sullen valve
2+2 is 4 minus 1 thats 3 quick maths
sweet summit
can u also add something that if you cast whirlwind it yells at you to take it off your bars?
sullen valve
gonna need mwahi to check off on that one
as in
IS THERE EVER a time where its a good prot spell
or is it always trash
sweet summit
always trash
sullen valve
since if its always trash ez pz
but if there are every any rules like if there are 20 mobs
sweet summit
yep
sullen valve
I asked mwahi for a list of stuff that needs updating during beta and right after release and he sent me
well what he wants/needs updating
He never finished it 
also
Erga what do you mean condemn vs execute
sweet summit
i am venthyr
sweet summit
โค๏ธ
sullen valve
i might even make you an info graphic for damage it prevented
sweet summit
was just about to ask for that
sullen valve
depends on how that event is translated over in logs
if its easy then woot
if not i cri
also wtf kind of ship is mwahi running here?
Tanks doing dps should be banned
All healers, like me, know that tanks should just focus on taking 0 damage
: ^)
sweet summit
if you say that youll get publicly executed here
sullen valve
condemn no cd right
sweet summit
correct
restive flax
it has cd for fury though... no?
sullen valve
so this seem right
(i know there is some wowA isms in here but you get the vibes i think)
sweet summit
as long as the boss is >80% or <20% and you have more than 20 rage you can cast condemn
sweet summit
large mate, large
sweet summit
unless he wants to change covenant, no
sweet summit
feel like im missing some hidden lore here
sweet summit
fair
sullen valve
also
arcane torrent still a bad cast right
or do you guys have deadtime in rotation now where it is a good cast
sullen valve
no downtime or there is downtime
sweet summit
there is downtime with devastator
chilly brook
There is
chilly brook
What a slacker not pressing thunderclap
sullen valve
I'll press thunder clap on you
sweet summit
im bad what can i say :)
chilly brook
Still parse higher than me
sullen valve
at least you're not a furry
chilly brook
mossy delta
Where did this picture come from? How do you find that info?
chilly brook
Wow analyzer
sullen valve
Well yes and no to griff
I'm on wowA but a local build of it
that will go live in like 30-40 minutes
or something
depends if i want to do more stuff right now
chilly brook
You can still get the information from wow analyzer though if you drop your logs in
Just gonna look different rn
silver grail
Hey Im new to WOW as a brand new player and I chose to do Prot Warrior. Are there links in the channel for players learning tank. I have always played healer and that was in FF14. So any advice or links for help would be appreciated
sweet summit
i agree
silver grail
thank you
silver grail
ok lol thank you for the information.
sullen valve
stocks are looking up on codemn graphic
restive flax
I did tank with shaman in wotlk^^
sweet summit
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undone jacinth
im literally 205 and 1k rio
its my alt lol
as in, my alt has that
score
and they still declined me
undone jacinth
the leader had 400
sullen valve
condemn's debuff isn't named condemn
undone jacinth
ppl are crazy
sullen valve
its condemned
undone jacinth
get condemned
sweet summit
chilly brook
Inb4 the ongoing tuning gives condemn a cleave for prot
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I'd swap covenants so fast
It's a shame they'll likely never actually do it
chilly brook
That ability is basically guaranteed a rework in 9.1
It's not taken for any of our specs period
restive flax
yeah
sullen valve
hey erga
can you condemn something then ss the debuff the target has (like the tooltip)
i want to know if it shows number or naw
pale lotus
who do you guys kill first on first boss of top?
chilly brook
Probably not the place to discuss
sweet summit
yeah sec
restive flax
who do you guys kill first on first boss of top?
Dessia usually
spare cobalt
who do you guys kill first on first boss of top?
Dessia
pale lotus
is there a particular reason for that?
restive flax
uh..... on +10 and higher I skip the rider to trigger prideful before endboss
sweet summit
spare cobalt
You can skip the first pack and still do that, itโs free cleave and easier than fighting it with the 3 pack @restive flax
Imo
sullen valve
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let me look into other events to see if i can find anything
since the debuff event itself doesn't have it
restive flax
@spare cobalt youre missing % for prideful timings on other bosses if you do that
Or... I dont know a route that allows you to properly do that
spare cobalt
Uhhh on fort Ive been doing that then going gorechop (skip big pat) -> portal room and always go left -> mini boss room
Then you get pride for the hard packs
pale lotus
i usually get prideful for xav -> kultharok -> prideful for gorechop
restive flax
I have prideful for all bosses but kultharok.... I think? hold on.
sullen valve
Tell me if im wrong but this does say
the hit was for 46928
you mitigated 35569 of it
you were hit for 11359
or is the A absorbed
A is 100% absorbed
@sweet summit sorry for ping number six million but i don't think condemn gets an infographic just yet or ever maybe
sweet summit
U is unmitigated
M is mitigated
A is absorbed
B is blocked?
sullen valve
well actually
sweet summit
im not sure
sullen valve
B is blocked i know that one
but
I'm thinking and now im like ๐ง we might have a way to roughly approximate the condemn absorb value to a degree
monkas its deswind
potent anvil
Pretty sure that's right. U is unmitigated, afaik? Used to be R for raw/real right?
sullen valve
Pretty sure your right there
umm... imma avoid doing condemn defensive value for now but i don't think there is an easy way to determine it
in logs
potent anvil
I think condemn's absorb is slightly lower than IP. It also stacks up to 3 times?
sullen valve
Due to the fact that i don't get any info about it from the debuff event itself
i could do math to get it from the condemn itself but that could be inaccurate if the vers amount we have is wrong and also has issues with did you actually use it or not
since it has a debuff duration
Which the last one sounds weird but like it involves more indepth knowledge on caps n stuff
sweet summit
just math it out from the abount of AP and vers and casts of condemn and damage taken
sullen valve
since AP and vers can shift in a fight does that mean the cap shifts
I can't really use damage absorbed tbh
since right when you get another shield :worry:
which one do you use first
What if you don't have boss aggro?
potent anvil
Man, this is a lot to
sullen valve
Depending on damage source it could go to waste
potent anvil
good luck
sullen valve
since AP is 100% accurate very time you cast condemn
vers should be accurate
but then we fall into the issue of it getting consumed
and on top of that caps to it
is there cap? What is it based off of?
If i orc racial does the cap go up?
sullen valve
I'mma just avoid this till i bitch enough to get it somewhere in logs
alpine shard
any eu alliance tanks want to boost @sweet summit in a +10?
sweet summit
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sullen valve
You need a lot of people to boost Erga
sweet summit
yeah :/
sullen valve
Because he(?) distracts them with his(?) cuteness too much
ionic fern
@sweet summit i can tomorrow
sweet summit
i am a he yes
sweet summit
ionic fern
It's 4 am and i was busy depleting keys :(
sullen valve
Hates me
real talk
One of yall
from looking at wowA right now
with those changes i just added
Would you say its 9.0.2 valid
ionic fern
What did you add?
sullen valve
umm fixed that block bug bc zeboot is terrorist
made condemn replace execute correctly
changed a string of text that said avatar gives you 20 rage to 30 rage
open monolith
Fix it yelling at me for not using Tclap when I have plenty of rage, SB active and IP active
IM GONNA PRESS REVENGE IN THAT SITUATION
LET ME PUMP
sullen valve
don't overcap on rage
unborn coral
<@!165864577760755712> <@!238357283996696576> that wowA bug you linked earlier h...
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unborn coral
I'm everywhere dude ๐๏ธ
unborn coral
hey you approved the PR