Personal preference
#protection
hushed cypress
Top 5 trinkets? Are?
strong forum
Decanter is good too
hushed cypress
For M+
stark lion
I don't know if I've seen bloodscale drop, where's it from?
jagged pier
id put sire trinket in there
stark lion
One more question, ilvl isn't as important with rings is it? Like, a hasteless ring with high ivl probably not worth?
stark lion
Sweet, yeah it's only a 6 ilvl drop, and it's got a socket.
strong forum
Socket alone outweighs it then
Socket is worth like ~14ilvl on ring I think
Smth between 11-14
spice marsh
best spot for legendary m+? boots?
strong forum
Doesn't make a difference really, for thunderlord that is
spice marsh
thx
jagged pier
question, in my guilds casual normal run tonight, do i logg scumm or gear somthing else?
spice marsh
logg on gear, its always bad idea , u can get 203 ilvl but perfec stats, and other can get 203 ilvl and useles stat
twilit siren
if you do 10 M+ runs only NW, Vault will give you 3 gear options only from NW?
frail wyvern
Nah its not dependant on which dungeons you do. I did 5 NW only last week and my 2 choices weren't from there
strong forum
M+ loot isn't based on the dungeons you did
Only raid vault is based on the bosses you killed
jagged pier
actually hope I get good 226 options this week
lunar slate
yeh.. I, for example, Dont have another option atm. So ill hold on to it till i get something better. Preferably the one from DOS (Hakkar)
jagged pier
yeh.. I, for example, Dont have another option atm. So ill hold on to it till i ...
insiginia from the pvp vendor is better and you can get a 197 one with just honour now
turbid cargo
insiginia from the pvp vendor is better and you can get a 197 one with just hono...
I thought that was at renown 22 (the 197 ilvl)
strong forum
Even then, 184 is already miles better than those stupid "tank" trinkets
Even the 151 is
chilly brook
One more question, ilvl isn't as important with rings is it? Like, a hasteless r...
Dropping ilvl on jewelry just to have "better" stats honestly wont make much of a difference in my experience
Granted in your case where it has a socket that's going to be better
rigid kettle
jagged pier
boots
stark lion
Don’t boots and gloves have same stat allocation?
hollow zodiac
anybody knows if there's a way to check damage blocked in details?
strong forum
Wall is shoulders
jagged pier
Wasnt it shoulders? Or was that for the wall?
^^
lunar slate
thnx 😄
chilly brook
anybody knows if there's a way to check damage blocked in details?
Not sure but you can in logs
loud mural
Seriously wtf, how do you survive the pull in Necrotic Wake with Nar'zudah? 2 casters 1 carver + the big caster. Everytime I try my group wipes even if I dodge AoE
jagged pier
the orb
loud mural
.. what orb?
jagged pier
theres one on the ground a packs back to the side
it silences mobs for 8 secs
and deals gigs aoe damage
loud mural
Oh, but is that not covenant only?
chilly brook
I mean your first mistake is pulling that pack on fort tbh
native coyote
(left side)
chilly brook
No anyone can grab it
jagged pier
Oh, but is that not covenant only?
the golems are the covenant buff
loud mural
ty ty
chilly brook
But seriously
Don't do that pack on fort
Unless you have a decent group
And even then idk if its worth
So many easier packs to grab
native coyote
I rather wait a minute for the inexperienced priest to find mind soothe than pull that pack
chilly brook
Or the lock to gateway past
Or shroud
Hell I'd have a druid stealth past and death skip that rather than pull it
undone jacinth
killing it with orb is easy tbh
I only skip it because u don’t really need the count
undone jacinth
I’d kill it if I were doing lower keys in a pug... will never trust people to skip anything
chilly brook
I also rarely pug tho
smoky wave
Is it skippable without pots/rogue?
undone jacinth
yeah mind soothe from priest, probably a wl gate, class invis, maybe a rop
smoky wave
Cool, ta
sharp void
Sooth / shroud / gate, even ventyr door of shadow
open monolith
Sap.
You can Sap the right-most mob and sneak by the wall
The mob opposite Nazrudah
It's a tight squeeze but it works
Just in case you wipe and shroud is down
sharp void
It does? Damn, I wondered as well but never tried
open monolith
Yep
sharp void
Thought the mob just near him was to close
restive flax
west kayak
Good mornin', question... Anyone else having difficulty with the last Layer and final floors of that Layer in Torghast? I cannot seem to put out enough DPS to kill the 2.02m HP elites before they become godly.
obsidian moth
Hello all !
west kayak
I did get screwed a bit with primarily defensive anima the whole way through.
fierce tendon
Hmm, did you go through all the floors and scour all the buffs
Cause I was at around 65 buffs on last floor
west kayak
I clear every floor, problem is that I got so few choices that were DPS vs Defensive.
fierce tendon
I feel like you just got extremely unlucky then?
obsidian moth
I was kind of asking myself what is the best way to dump my ignore pain
Stack it or use it when i am gona get big dmg
west kayak
In order to kill an elite I had to wait til charge and Leap were off CD. Charge, spam Execute, stun leap out and spam Execute.
blissful iris
that is a good combo if you can get the jump ability as well
fierce tendon
Yeah I mean by the time I was on floor 13 with execute power I usually hit like 100k executes with the stacked power
blissful iris
jump out and then charge it works so well
west kayak
I made it to Floor 17 of Layer 8 and the damn Mawrats had over 65k HP.
fierce tendon
Idk how u can grab every power and not have good offensive options, never seen that in a run before
west kayak
I did not get any of the Crit or Crit power Anima's so my Executes were only good if I crit.
It was awesome in the beginning as I could grab tons of mobs but after 12 it started getting really bad.
fierce tendon
Maybe just go back through and revise choices, if you can't kill 2m health mobs u sure as hell won't clear the last boss
uneven mason
I made it to Floor 17 of Layer 8 and the damn Mawrats had over 65k HP.
Thats why i've learned to take the charge/HL kills mawrats and resets CD
If you have the 200% increase dmg from those as well it leads to some insane uptime on that buff
west kayak
I had that buff but the damage from my Executes were nothing like they were in previous Layers.
uneven mason
Yeah
RNGesus can be cruel sometimes
10 stacks of "your armor and block are increased by 10%"
Oh, ok, can I get something that lets me kill them faster than next sunday?
west kayak
I was getting those, mawrat harnesses and the IP boost constantly.
uneven mason
IP boost isn't horrible
one of my favorite combinations is IP cast when hit, IP can trigger SW and IP boosted to high hell
west kayak
I think I got the Execute and one 30% dmg boost to mobs affected by my shouts for DPS. Oh and two of the random frost/fire bolt ones.
uneven mason
cuz those are great ><
west kayak
IP trigger SW was my first one. Second was SW boosted by souls.
torn gulch
perma SW is the play
west kayak
It was but even then with that reduction, and the moth anima of 40% more reduction I could not kill them fast enough before they become godly.
uneven mason
Course I'm Venthyr
torn gulch
perma SW then boost SS as much as you can
torn gulch
and increased SS damage as well
uneven mason
just pump IP with that infinite rage for the 4% heals
west kayak
I thought about trying it as Arms to see if that would be any better but I haven't played anything aside from Prot War in years.
uneven mason
If you have a beefy 2h
you can get some crazy stuff as arms
perma DBTS + 3m dmg executes
obsidian moth
Hey
smoky wave
I wanna give it a shot as arms, but I'll be damned if I can get a 2h atm
obsidian moth
I was wondering what is the best way to dump my ignore pain
Stack it or use it only when big dmg comes
kindred warren
Don’t have internet this week till tomorrow how’s twisting corridors
Better to go prot or fury for this one?
sage sierra
best enchant for weapon?
signal plover
Lightless force
native coyote
how is the uptime on celestial as a tank?
smoky wave
Stack it or use it only when big dmg comes
It's a defensive rage dump for damage smoothing. If you're getting hit and will cap rage, use it. If you've got unblockable damage incoming dump into it rather than sb.
obsidian moth
It's a defensive rage dump for damage smoothing. If you're getting hit and will ...
I see . So it is just for healers to don't feel on edge
undone jacinth
it’s to stop u from dying
smoky wave
Yeah, it's a damage reduction, but sb is the priority. Hit it when you've got plenty of rage, specifically pool rage to stack if you're expecting a big magic/unblockable attack
jagged pier
Revenge 
undone jacinth
how is the uptime on celestial as a tank?
around 45%
sweet summit
Uptime is the same for everyone, unless you for some odd reason dual wield and use 2x celestial
uneven mason
UIs in 2020?
hide everything but for a bar of WA that shows your CDs, remember what button is what.
undone jacinth
Put all ur important stuff in the middle of the screen, job done
uneven mason
keep that screen clear
strong forum
UIs in 2020?
It's 2021 you dummy
uneven mason
Its not Christmas?
undone sun
2020+1
jagged pier
Who can show me a pic of their ui for peor
you dont want mine
strong forum
astral crystal
accepting the forward progression of time instead of indefinitely regressing back to the finite point of creation
strong forum
This is my UI
astral crystal
i shiggy diggy
strong forum
Should be fairly up to date
blazing gale
damn I jsut got trolled so hard, accepted a team
and it was bm hunter, fearl druid, and unholy dk venthyr
at least +1
I assumed they are playing meta 😄
uneven mason
BM hunter wat
uneven mason
Right
uneven mason
Its like i sometimes scare groups by swapping to fury rightb efore we zone in and see how they react
but they're not "Meta"
Boom/UDKN/MM
raw socket
Fuc a meta that’s for 20s
uneven mason
😄
undone jacinth
BM Hunter not lusting would be pretty epic
undone jacinth
they don’t actually
blazing gale
maybe he was blaance affinity
steady spruce
Is it possible to follow weak aura usage on cpu? Feel laggy
undone jacinth
they will be balance most of the time out of pvp
steady spruce
Dunno if it's normal
steady spruce
it is hard
uneven mason
Is it possible to follow weak aura usage on cpu? Feel laggy
Its running checks in the background on other peoples WAs to see if the waigo whatever stuff needs to be updated
undone jacinth
PF is just about the bomb management and the bosses
shouldn’t be too bad for warr on fort
steady spruce
i'm not sure i understand your explanation Ika ^^
blazing gale
I literally tanked 2 keys above 10 in this patch
uneven mason
my wifes WA went insane and crashed her lastnight when she joined my group because I update all of my WAs daily and she updates them...whenever they crash her game.
undone jacinth
I literally tanked 2 keys above 10 in this patch
Then this is your problem :p
uneven mason
so, When you join groups and such, some of those addson will "talk" to the others in the group to vercheck, occasionally it gets into a loop and just borks your CPU use.
steady spruce
You need the WA desk app to be less laggy?
steady spruce
updating WA seems tedious
uneven mason
outside of I'm not having any problems with mine 😄 but my wife was getting serious problems until she updated them
steady spruce
especially for the ones you modified
blazing gale
but yif you changed stuff
it will be updated to the author's version
so you have to make settings again for yourself
undone jacinth
there’s a setting where it doesn’t change stuff you’ve changed I was told
blazing gale
it's a software, weakauras companion
undone jacinth
but tbh not sure if I’ve ever had to update a WA other than the raid one
which I’ll probs delete
native coyote
updating WA seems tedious
there are programs that takes care of that. Ajour is one (for addons and WAs) works on windows/mac/linux
grave vigil
hi there. Is Viscera of Coalesced Hatred - trinket worth to wear. Old is DMDeck
uneven mason
jagged pier
^^
uneven mason
But as prot
grave vigil
hard to sim as tank
sweet summit
What deck
grave vigil
i have indomitable.
jagged pier
all in all, DMD is on demand haste
youll find a lot of people are wearing thetank one
sweet summit
Cos if its indom deck, replace it
jagged pier
yep there you go
sweet summit
Yeah, take vicera
uneven mason
youll find a lot of people are wearing thetank one
Whaaat
jagged pier
its a trash trinket take vicera
jagged pier
Whaaat
alot of prots ive looked at think its good
my first point is always get rid of that trinket and buy the haste one Xd
uneven mason
"1.5min CD on Ignore pain, sounds awesome boss"
jagged pier
well its just people see its the tank one and presume its better for them
like the last few as in legion and bfa werent that bad
sweet summit
Uhh bfa ones was pretty bad no?
sweet summit
Thats dps one
jagged pier
who knows bfa is kinda of deleted form my memory
outer solstice
anyone has a chance to go over my trinkets with me for a second? gonna put a top gear sim up to make it easier
open monolith
@grave vigil i have used a 203 viscera trinket. it's about 2.1-2.7% of my DPS when i use it
i think... it's bad
outer solstice
need some 2nd opinions
uneven mason
Remember the best tank trinket, Gorshalach's Legacy?
jagged pier
anyone has a chance to go over my trinkets with me for a second? gonna put a top...
then put your trinkets in the top gear sim
sweet summit
Its better than indom deck @open monolith
open monolith
well.. anything is better than that trash lol
sweet summit
undone sun
open monolith
I'm still on team blood-spattered scale and Splintered heart for m+ (anime emitter for raid)
jagged pier
no joke someone sent a log in of them wearing it earlier
outer solstice
then put your trinkets in the top gear sim
yeah but DPS not being the end all for us means I want some 2nd oppinion on them ^^ and yeah it's running
sick sentinel
anyone has a chance to go over my trinkets with me for a second? gonna put a top...
I am always told that tanks can’t be simmed, do you pick your items regarding their dps ?
undone sun
yes
sweet summit
You can sim for dps
outer solstice
I am always told that tanks can’t be simmed, do you pick your items regarding th...
I use the sim to show what my options are ^^
uneven mason
The best defense is making the mob dead.
jagged pier
^^
outer solstice
so I don't have to write down all the trinkets and ilvls I have
sick sentinel
The best defense is making the mob dead.
Well , fair point
jagged pier
undone jacinth
u can just say ur options DR
uneven mason
Its why I 
outer solstice
@undone jacinth but that's tedious
uneven mason
"Why ignore the pain, when you can cause some"
sick sentinel
Im not quite sure if this is against the tos here , but do you know some good port wari mains on YouTube or twitch ?
undone jacinth
okay well u can screenshot them on the top gear screen without running a sim
open monolith
@sick sentinel there's this guy named Nomeratur
jagged pier
Im not quite sure if this is against the tos here , but do you know some good po...
@strong forum @shut summit
open monolith
he's okayish
outer solstice
yeah that guy is amazing ^^ @open monolith
uneven mason
He's no 
open monolith
be warned though, the group he runs m+ with is toxic af
outer solstice
😛
grave vigil
thx for advice 😄
sick sentinel
Thanks guys 🙂
uneven mason
Yeah if you got people with virgin ears nearby, use headphones for Nom
outer solstice
but yeah @undone jacinth that works as well:
uneven mason
Its like he plays with people from Montreal
jagged pier
but yeah <@!132546192105144320> that works as well:
the 2 you have
open monolith
man I hate how punishing it feels to not play PvP in this expansion.
uneven mason
I ❤️ that spike
sweet summit
Use the ones you selected
open monolith
Blizzard fucked up with the PvP loot
outer solstice
is the spike that good?
sweet summit
Its alright
outer solstice
yeah PvP loot is super reliable
open monolith
it's too reliable
uneven mason
Its fun
sweet summit
Like a good vicera kinda
outer solstice
which is a gamechanger
open monolith
it's way too high in ilvl
outer solstice
well I had to work quite hard for 1800
sweet summit
?
uneven mason
it's **way too high in ilvl**
Literally used to only PVP to get gear back in TBC/WOTLK
jagged pier
is the spike that good?
its better than anything else you have
sweet summit
Oh no pvp is relevant for gearing oh no
outer solstice
@jagged pier ty ❤️ still all new to prot after 3 expnsions xD
sweet summit
uneven mason
when I was like "Oh, they remembered theres a reason"
open monolith
I know, my complaints are mostly a me thing. I absolutely hate WoW PvP, and i've never felt more punished for not doing it than I do in this expansion
it just feels bad
uneven mason
Run more M+ that give you 0 loot ¯_(ツ)_/¯
open monolith
i wish m+ had some sort of "reliable gear" acquisition system like PvP has
turbid cargo
yeah it's more that everything else is super unreliable
uneven mason
THey've intentionally starved loot in all other aspects of the game because they realized that PVP was basically dead
outer solstice
well you can get 1-2 pieces of PvP loot per week, but the good thing is you can choose the slot for one of them
uneven mason
well you can get 1-2 pieces of PvP loot per week, but the good thing is you can ...
This x1000
open monolith
Yep. I am a man of conviction, and I will not be doing any PvP.
outer solstice
the biggest up of PvP is that no item becomes useless
outer solstice
as you can upgrade them
uneven mason
the trinekts from PVP are ballin for Prot
turbid cargo
it's almost like the system of effort -> token/currency -> gear where you can actual work towards things is... nice
outer solstice
@uneven mason both? should I grab one?
open monolith
I love FFXIV for this reason
ionic fern
Run more M+ that give you 0 loot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Heyyyy,i'm already 206 with only m+ 😂
outer solstice
the other
ionic fern
Only like 20 ilvl behind
uneven mason
Heyyyy,i'm already 206 with only m+ 😂
I did some heroic raiding, and I'm 205 with some M+ gear..
open monolith
FFXIV loot: "Oh man, nothing dropped again. Oh well, next week I can get my BiS chest anyway when i get the token"
uneven mason
still rocking a 194 2h for arms and a 184 set for prot
because 0 weapons/shields
so, I'ma conquest up a shield
open monolith
I'm still rocking a 171 Blood Spattered Scale D:
uneven mason
Yeah, back in ICC we had this "token" thing that all bosses dropped that you could save up and buy slots that the game as being a RNGesus jerk about.
open monolith
bruh we had badges in BC
turbid cargo
of my gear... 7 are pvp, 2 are raid, 2 are m+, 1 is leggo, 4 were BoEs lol
uneven mason
we did yes, but not from raids at first.
open monolith
I still have this strangely vivid memory of buying my holy paladin shield from the top floor of Shattrath
uneven mason
Also mosto f the gear from the Justice tokens or whatnot were pretty garbo besides the Gnomish autoblocker
until like 2.3
when they added the ZG stuff
It was so nice, the block gear from that
I didn't have to remove my pants to get hit for rage anymore
open monolith
yeah but back then there were fewer resources for min/maxing and theory crafting
so most people weren't aware what gear was garbo
open monolith
there was also mp5 vs spirit
turbid cargo
but mah spell power for arcane shot
outer solstice
so guys should I go for the on use PvP trinket with static crit as well? ( i have the procc PvP trinket already)
jagged pier
no
jagged pier
i would
uneven mason
I like the spike because it helps a bit more when Pulling a pack without Rav up
procs a solid amount
undone jacinth
pulling without ravager up 😂
jagged pier
why would i sit around and waste time for it to come off cooldown though?
undone jacinth
why would it be on cooldown tho
open monolith
because your group is good and killed the last pack in less than 45 seconds
obviously
undone jacinth
pull moaaaar
open monolith
YOU PULLED THE ENTIRE ZONE AND STILL KILLED THEM IN 30 SECONDS
jagged pier
of it take like 1:30mins
open monolith
DOLPHIN SOME PEOPLE JUST PUMP OK
jagged pier
so u get 2 uses of it
open monolith
yeah I don't hold ravager for pulls
I use it on Cd
unless the current pull is like.. 10 seconds away from death
jagged pier
^^
open monolith
but I also have no issues with threat... ever
(and I also exclusively run m+ with a hunter friend....)
M I S D I R E C T I O N
undone jacinth
I mean yeah it pretty much lines up that way in any higher key, packs always take in that time range, but u don’t need it for threats anyways
that’s what signet is for 😂
open monolith
imagine needing ravager for threat
jagged pier
imagine not running ITF in keys though
undone jacinth
itf quaking the mega combo
open monolith
I do not like ITF in m+
undone jacinth
ravager just lines up so nice
steady spruce
thanks @native coyote , will look into that
deep steppe
I do not like ITF in m+
big agree
open monolith
I often forget to change Ravager to ITF for raid
and... it still feels good
I fucking love Ravager, man
uneven mason
That heavy influx of rage
its solid
but i Mean ITF is 10% faster CD on SB charges
so there is that.
jagged pier
open monolith
why do I waste my time typing fucking essays on reddit to counter all of these stupid "LOL WARRIOR BAD" memes
modern brook
I fucking love Ravager, man
Ravagers glow up is the best part of shadowlands tbh
astral crystal
itf feels really good in keys imo
modern brook
Yeah just let redditors struggle to get their +10s in dude it ain't worth it
open monolith
MAKE RAVAGER BASELINE IMO
astral crystal
never really have rage/threat issues in keys in the 15-16 range
modern brook
MAKE RAVAGER BASELINE IMO
Anger management plz
open monolith
give me all of my talents base line
astral crystal
so ravager feels kinda redundant
modern brook
Amh
open monolith
ravager isn't just for rage and threat my dead
modern brook
What kinda tank ONLY wants to do enough damage to hold threat
modern brook
Straight up fuck my dps
astral crystal
idk, i ran ravager early on when i was only doing 10s and i dont see much of a dmg difference
modern brook
If they're not ripping aggro off me they ain't pumpin
astral crystal
but i do play defensively most of the time, i dont run dps trinks or anything fancy
open monolith
defensive play 🤢
modern brook
Shield block
open monolith
you better be hitting that revenge key like it owes you money
astral crystal
literally only care about doing my 10 for the week and having a 15 or 16 key out of my box so
my 10 keys**
open monolith
there is nothing more satisfying than those pulls where you have Avatar, Demo Shout (BV), Spear, and Ravager all up w/ Bolster.
"Look at me. I'm the DPS now"
modern brook
Its wild to me how little all of that is in comparison to wings and sigil from pally/vdh
smoky sparrow
any venthyr prot tanks
sweet summit
kindred warren
👀
silver trout
open monolith
venthyr prot GIGA-LOLE
final axle
These are kyrian lands, and night fey tolerated
kindred warren
Condemn kinda sucks for prot but doors has its uses
sweet summit
modern brook
Smh
uneven mason
Is the only rage dump
silver trout
i'm ven, its not optimal, but it works
uneven mason
i'm ven, its not optimal, but it works
If the objective is to kill bosses, its optimal
kindred warren
Yeah it’s okay I’m still prot vent just cause I’m too lazy to switch to kyrian
modern brook
The only problem with ven is the cov itself actually sucks shit
final axle
I'm night fei. I still don't know if I screwed up, but I like it.
modern brook
The command table cant win the fucking soul ash quest
uneven mason
The only problem with ven is the cov itself actually sucks shit
I mean, vampires
kindred warren
Solo stuff I go fury so it works out
smoky sparrow
its either u choose to be ok st dps or ok M+ tank
modern brook
Door of shadows is the worst ability by a mile
silver trout
i love door
kindred warren
When a noob tries to give advice lol
sweet summit
yeah ok i used my brain for one seconds and its worse than the others
uneven mason
and AE disorient
sweet summit
i agree
inland silo
uneven mason
granted the only time I Use the disorient is when someone else screws up
sweet summit
i kinda wanna see how enduring gloom performs
sweet summit
draven
modern brook
Ahhh
sweet summit
seems alright, also gives you a finesse as draven. thats neat
uneven mason
Gotta be careful with Draven though, they might try and use you as a healing CD
"let the prot die so he can heal the other tank"
modern brook
LOL
uneven mason
Well, you'll finish that pack off
astral crystal
anyone do the 8 twisting corridor layers as prot yet?
uneven mason
Theotar's final ability on the finesse branch is nice, 6% vers
after condemn
so for the first 20% and last 20% Of a fight
pump
sweet summit
1 min icd :(
astral crystal
yikes
uneven mason
I guess Draven is the go to once he's fully unlocked.
sweet summit
only thing i dont really like about draven is the forced potency
undone jacinth
and he doesn’t come with an umbrella
sweet summit
umbrella men 
modern brook
Og that was the other thing I couldn't think of
80% of ven soulbinds are dong
Oh my phone didnt update sorry responding to old stuff
Oh it wasnt that old and my apology is pointless now
sweet summit
are you ok
open monolith
what are we using for Pelagos now?
double potency or double endurance
probably doesn't matter since all of our conduits S U C K
undone jacinth
double potency because not a pussy
open monolith
LOL with bolster it likely is
i have been running piercing / unnerving / show of force
because I'm still a little TL boy
clever current
I also like Piercing and Unnerving
silver trout
anyone know what the internal cooldown on the Anima Field Emitter is? It feels like it procs a ton and its awesome
clever current
22 pts off 1k man, I just need to route SD better 😩
uneven mason
double potency because not a pussy
TFW They literally gave protection 0 good potency conduits
sweet summit
i think it just cant proc while its active and like high rppm
uneven mason
like they didn't want us doing real DPS
sweet summit
im not sure
undone jacinth
not having any good ones makes u even more of a pussy if u don’t take them
sweet summit
doesnt look like it has an icd
undone jacinth
it can proc while it’s active
sweet summit
but is 3rppm
uneven mason
I mean as venthyr I can at least have AJ
sweet summit
yep
undone jacinth
it also feels more like 10ppm lol
sweet summit
maybe hasted
silver trout
yeah
sweet summit
idk
tbh
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=345533/anima-field-emitter#changelog nah its only 3, not hasted
astral crystal
anime field emitter is best emitter
silver trout
i got one last night and i think i'm in love
steady spruce
you guys mostly use strenght or Stam pots in M+? What about your weapon?
sweet summit
strength and ap cos im lazy
steady spruce
But some oil would be better?
sweet summit
you can sim that
steady spruce
i even use the 16 ap one lol
sterile moss
Statshroom or toughshroom?
steady spruce
Stats
sweet summit
paste this at the bottom of your simc thing in advanced
and you get some epic shit
sterile moss
So everyone in the group takes the statshroom?
sweet summit
thats food n pot
sterile moss
Are there even five of them? xD
sweet summit
left phantom fire+oil | right 20 ap+strength pot
steady spruce
well the gold difference is much higher soooo
gaunt dawn
what about phantom fire and strength pot 👀
sweet summit
you mean oil+strength pot? 
sweet summit
sims equal to 20ap+str for me
and phantom fire+20 ap is 3 dps higher than oil+str po. basically margin of error
wheat sleet
Would you guys say it's worth using conquest for a good 1h? Mine is 197 atm so it would be a 10 ilvl upgrade
sweet summit
sure
thorn olive
Is there a threshold for which haste has a diminishing return? Or should I always prioritize it over everything else?
uneven mason
Would you guys say it's worth using conquest for a good 1h? Mine is 197 atm so i...
IF you already have a shield above that sure.
wheat sleet
yea, already have a pvp shield at 207
sweet summit
Is there a threshold for which haste has a diminishing return? Or should I alway...
there are no reachable caps to worry about
thorn olive
@sweet summit Awesome tyvm
uneven mason
Is there a threshold for which haste has a diminishing return? Or should I alway...
over everything but ilvl
wheat sleet
Weapon is next up
Probably should have mentioned that I have two slots at 184 I could replace but im guessing wep is still more worth
thorn olive
@uneven mason gotcha
uneven mason
I mean, what slots are they
wheat sleet
boots and belt
gleaming pawn
so i started picking up prot warrior (origionally a dps warrior), i tanked a +7 Sanquine Depths and i just felt like i took a TRUCKLOAD of dmg and was not able to do anything about it even if i had shield block up, any suggestions to help mitigate some more dmg
wheat sleet
ignore pain and cooldowns
uneven mason
so i started picking up prot warrior (origionally a dps warrior), i tanked a +7 ...
cycle CDs
we have 2 major and a minor
gleaming pawn
everywhere i see says to prioritize shield block, and use extra rage on ignore pain but always be able to activate shield block, i know a major CD is shield wall and i assume 1 minor would be Demo shout?
gleaming pawn
should i try and cycle 1 major per pack?
ive been kinda using demo shout as a dmg CD when i initiate a pack for extra dmg to hold threat is that right or should i save it for when i start to run out of shield blocks?
uneven mason
ive been kinda using demo shout as a dmg CD when i initiate a pack for extra dmg...
You can use it on pull
thats when burst is generally the worst
and yeah, swapping SW/ LS between packs works
if you have the wall you can have SW for almost every pack
Also having DPS that are not drooling flipperhanded monkeys and can interrupt/Stun helps tons.
gleaming pawn
im using thunderlord atm
gleaming pawn
waiting for my guild BS to log on after work so i can make the wall
dump ds?
i have 15% crit, 19% haste, 28% mastery, 7% vers atm
potent anvil
Demo shout
gleaming pawn
is bolster and ravager the go to for m+?
jagged pier
yes
gleaming pawn
so that might be helpful i was using anger management unstoppable force
jagged pier
well rav will make a bigger help
AM you can run but you need to be more confident with how to mitigation
with bolster you use LS to fill when you have no shield block charges left
as it gives you sb
so that gives you time to get your charges back
and SW you can use when you dont have sb or ls available
gleaming pawn
ok ty
burnt hound
fellas, is it worth gearing up prot for m+ or should i just keep scrubbing it up with arms
sweet summit
if you like prot and want to play prot then you do it
spare cobalt
It feels fine @burnt hound
steep schooner
I play fury and prot 🤷🏼♂️
burnt hound
that's good to hear
uneven mason
fellas, is it worth gearing up prot for m+ or should i just keep scrubbing it up...
Depends, how good are you at screaming at others to pull their thumbs out of their behinds and find their interrupts.
jagged pier
not true
uneven mason
Its not true
uneven mason
People literally look at R.io and see all the cheese mode high keys done and think that says anything about actual tank balance.
quiet gulch
Does anyone here run the leaper for rbgs and how do you like it
quiet gulch
yeam im wondering if it will ber on par with dh
warm thunder
signal plover
Vers
tired cove
Ideal slot for thunderlords ?
lucid cedar
i've been told that prot struggles a little in m+
you'll be fine you'll just put everyone else in your party at a disadvantage
burnt hound
:^)
open monolith
@tired cove Hands and feet are virtually identical
take whatever is cheaper / whatever needs the ilvl upgrade more badly
sweet summit
Ideal slot for thunderlords ?
boots
errant python
I’m just getting into m+ on warrior bc he’s been my alt and he feels crazy in there in these lower keys so far
gleaming pawn
is 6% vers kinda low for prot?
hallow phoenix
There's no stat %s to aim for. Just use your highest ilvl as a general rule
uneven mason
is 6% vers kinda low for prot?
stack ilvl
sterile moss
I'm assuming 193 anima field emitter > 203 inscrutable quantum device?
jagged pier
yes
lucid cedar
interesting, The Wall + Stalwart Guardian + AM has Shield Wall every 50s but Bolster still comes on top in sims
sterile moss
ok, thanks. Was just wondering how to value the heal on the inscrutable
broken stratus
If you are kiting and moving a lot, I wouldn’t use anima field emitter. The quantum device give stats
hallow phoenix
interesting, The Wall + Stalwart Guardian + AM has Shield Wall every 50s but Bol...
You cant sim survival
sterile moss
well one of the things about the emitter is that it procs quite a lot
hallow phoenix
If you are kiting and moving a lot, I wouldn’t use anima field emitter. The quan...
Even with constant kiting my anima field emitter has around 25% uptime
acoustic willow
running Torghast TC should I try to solo as Arms (I'm Necro so it stinks) or ust try to gorup up
lavish oracle
You're basically always going to get more mitigation uptime from bolster than AM
The Wall + Stalwart Guardian is already going to drop your shield wall CD to just over 90s in most cases, maybe a little shorter with more haste/lucky procs
uneven mason
interesting, The Wall + Stalwart Guardian + AM has Shield Wall every 50s but Bol...
sims?
what flaming sims
lusty marsh
I mainly use am for more damage, surviving hasn't been a big deal yet.
Maybe once I get to H sludge
But we are progging sunking.
uneven mason
Make sure you use the leash offa Huntsman on Sludge
uneven mason
target the most annoying DPS
Sunking was a shockingly fast kill
Lusting first shade is the key I think
the 2nd shade phase is so short
uneven mason
We sitll had lust during 2nd healing phase starting
and I had them all sit on major healing CDs for the 2nd healing phase
because the first add phase is a joke
2nd one ramps up fast
strong forum
Yuh
uneven mason
the 2nd shade was out before I knew it
and then he went down like a sad sack of emo elf
placid oar
Hi guys, can i ask if anyone has tried the endurance conduit, "Fuelled by Violence". Is the healing good and worth using?
placid oar
i was actually thinking of going triple endurance conduit and thought it would be a better option than the IP one
placid oar
ahh
open monolith
6% leech for 2 seconds isn't great ;)
placid oar
the 6%+ leech does look enticing i must say
oh yes
am i inting if i dun go double potency for my kyrian tank?
strong forum
I mean it is our 3rd best endurance conduit
Our potency conduits are insanely lackluster
So. Kinda
open monolith
If I dun go, means don't
strong forum
But it's just conduits
placid oar
i see
strong forum
They're not impaxtful at all
placid oar
oh okok
open monolith
So, going double potency is bad
lusty marsh
More healing? We are having trouble with adds overwhelming during 2nd main phase
strong forum
Only the last stand and spear one are
placid oar
i wanted to survive a bit more cos i mostly pug
strong forum
More healing? We are having trouble with adds overwhelming during 2nd main phase
The faster you heal, the less adds will spawn
placid oar
hence the more endurance conduits
placid oar
thanks again Nomeratur
open monolith
Double Endurance is fine, our potency conduits suck (other than Piercing Verdict)
placid oar
T-T
open monolith
Unnerving focus feels good with bolster
placid oar
i made sure i equip the spear conduit
strong forum
@lusty marsh but yeah, 6 healing Sunking is pretty regular strat, it's a healing boss not a dmg boss on HC
open monolith
Stalwart guardian feels good with am and the wall
placid oar
yea i am using the bolster build
strong forum
Use both :^)
placid oar
i still select Stalwart guardian though i play ravager and bolster
yea i use both
it helps
placid oar
what is HC?
open monolith
Sludge and Denathrius?
lusty marsh
Heroic
placid oar
oh
strong forum
I don't raid HC
placid oar
i am focusing on M+
strong forum
:^)
open monolith
Oh i thought you did
placid oar
was reading Mwahi's guide and thought the deep wounds healing conduit would be good for M+
lusty marsh
What do you raid?
strong forum
Mystic
open monolith
The deep wounds healing is.... O K. You won't really notice it
uneven mason
was reading Mwahi's guide and thought the deep wounds healing conduit would be g...
Do you want the harsh truth
placid oar
yea?
uneven mason
Warriors don't have good conduits
lusty marsh
I want to head into to mystic.
uneven mason
literally fucking garbage
open monolith
Ok Nome, well what mythic fights do you use bolster for?
placid oar
oh yes, Nomeratur and Sock mentioned
lusty marsh
We have a bunch of low hanging dps it would be nice to prune.
No offense to the dps players
lusty marsh
I would just like to stand in a pack without resorting to kiting.
strong forum
Technically you can play AM on all bosses if your guild is good enough, except Generals and Denathrius
Maybe Council aswell
open monolith
AM on sludgefist feels brave
strong forum
There's alot of downtime actually
strong forum
If you perfectly use SB charges, and never for damage, should work out
open monolith
charges
strong forum
Yup
open monolith
im still raiding with TL lole
got TL rank 4, waiting until I have 5k soul ash to make Wall rank 4
jagged pier
AM on sludgefist feels brave
ive run it last 2 kills been fine
strong forum
Basically, any fight where you actually tank 100% of the time, Bolster, everything else AM is fine
open monolith
the guild I'm trialing for's gray parsing brewmaster had to taunt on CD just for the threat buff to keep aggro on me.
It was.... sad
strong forum
open monolith
I believe he is going to be replaced, as I pointed out he is not pressing buttons properly
and pressing all the wrong buttons
pale lotus
anyone streaming rn?
strong forum
I take aggro of my vdh when he isn't playing spb cuz lmao
open monolith
He used Blackout Kick 9 times on Artificer. Spinning Crane Kick 56 times.
let that sink in.
take your time.
open monolith
LOL
worn bear
on artificer
lusty marsh
Spin2win
open monolith
pretty much
I decided to ignore ignore pain as much as possible for higher parse colors
lusty marsh
If only SB was active 100%
lusty marsh
Only purple?
strong forum
Pah
open monolith
I got a couple Orange too
I don't PvP at all, so my ilvl is a bit behind what it could be
lusty marsh
On normal I'm getting pinks and I think I got purple on HC for the first few fights.
I definitely did something wrong on hungering
open monolith
I got 8/10 pinks on normal lol
strong forum
I should go for some r1s on normal
sweet summit
u cant
open monolith
do it.
lusty marsh
Do it
sweet summit
unless u speed kill shit
open monolith
DO IT.
strong forum
Is boost already working on em?
lusty marsh
Knock me out of top25 sunking
open monolith
strong forum
I think sako was R1 shadhar in nya
sweet summit
but hes got a speed kill group for normal and hc
jagged pier
anyone streaming rn?
can stream me playing monk in alt raid
strong forum
Speedkills are lame
sweet summit
ye
jagged pier
^^
sweet summit
i get my logs from boosts 
pale lotus
im tryna watch the prot war homies
lusty marsh
What's wrong with speed kills?
jagged pier
could stream progress on sunday i gues
lusty marsh
I can stream next wed
strong forum
Speedkills are specific comps to down bosses in ungodly times for parse whoring
But then again
lusty marsh
You can tell me how bad I am at wasting rage
tight tree
got layer 8 done and the mount, now i can forget that torghast exists for a week
sweet summit
lusty marsh
My HC logs are super important. They tell me that my off tank can do the same dps as me with a green parse.
Helps me keep my ego in check
open monolith
Braggha there is only one thing to do now.
Ride around the maw shaming the filthy PEASANTS in /say chat for running on their FEET.
And make sure to call everyone riding one of the FAKE shadehounds a PRETENDER.
uneven mason
Speedkills are specific comps to down bosses in ungodly times for parse whoring
Remember when parse whoring involved having the rest of your raid stop DPS so you could get 99 Juggernaut stacks
jagged pier
ill be raid tank soon!
better stream when you are
sweet summit
tight tree
jagged pier
Helps me keep my ego in check
can check your ego with my hc logs if you want 
tight tree
ill do that good tip
open monolith
@tight tree I like to RP walk with the mount and toy active in front of where Borr-Geth spawns. Lots of people pause to look, then I use /console turnspeed 2000 to beyblade
the reactions are glorious
jagged pier
@lusty marsh
open monolith
You'll notice you can't see the difficulty in his screenshots 😉
lusty marsh
I meant your actual page so I could peruse silly
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/jakeyplops looks worse there are more parses now though
sweet summit
tarren mill chad
pale lotus
just walk around /spit 'ing on all the feet peasants
open monolith
what is your ilvl Jakey?
jagged pier
214?
sweet summit
jakey is higher allstars rank than me, he should have my yellow 😔
open monolith
nice! I don't feel so bad for only getting 92-95 parses being 207 then
pale lotus
jakey you have an insane amount of haste
jagged pier
23%
lusty marsh
I am also 207
open monolith
BEHOLD MY TERRIBLE LOGS
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/luckysock
jagged pier
jakey is higher allstars rank than me, he should have my yellow 😔
i never get yellows always so close 😦
open monolith
POINT. LAUGH. TELL ME I AM TRASH.
jagged pier
94 overalls pretty good
sweet summit
hey whats up
open monolith
If I had to guess, press shield slam more, press revenge more
jagged pier
honestly your probably not pressing revenge
sweet summit
go venthyr and press condemn
pale lotus
i was tanking the floor
open monolith
one of the things I learned about myself using WoWanalyzer (which isn't a great tool) was that I wasn't responding to shield slam procs quickly enough
sweet summit
wowanalyzer was great in BFA
open monolith
I made a mental effort to correct that, and went from low 80s to low 90s parses in 1 week
lusty marsh
sock, you are still 100 ranks above me in all star points.
ionic fern
WoWAnalyzer should be up for SL as well already.
sweet summit
POG!!!!
ionic fern
And it's a great tool if you know what to look for.
🤷
@sullen valve confirm please Prot for SL in WoWAnalyzer is working right?
sweet summit
we love @sullen valve !
lusty marsh
I also tend to miss globals that should have been a shield slam proc.
sweet summit
open monolith
Wow analyzer is a little misleading on some thing
like "YOU DIDN'T USE TCLAP EVERY TIME IT WAS UP"
I know... I have a lot of rage and want to spam revenge
ionic fern
You need to know what it's ment for.
open monolith
shut up
ionic fern
That's about it
nimble drift
Parses still based like 99% off damage done as a tank as they were in classic?
If so tank parses are a meme
sweet summit
what
ionic fern
Why?
digital nova
dps still matters as a tank as far as I know
uneven mason
like "YOU DIDN'T USE TCLAP EVERY TIME IT WAS UP"
0 DPS loss there.
lusty marsh
It's 100% off damage
ionic fern
ANY damage matters.
digital nova
like all bosses are dps races, more dps = more consistent kill
lusty marsh
If you get a parse, you completed the fight. Aka you were tanky enough
uneven mason
Parses still based like 99% off damage done as a tank as they were in classic?
THere is no standard to tanking due to the high number of variables that can take place during a fight.
Yeah this tier so far many bosses feel like they're tuned for higher performance in DPS, at least in HC
it scales quite nicely as you progress through the raid
lusty marsh
I do wish there was a good way to tell if using more rage on mitigation would have been overall better for the raid.
But that's a fools errand to try and calculate.
uneven mason
using IP when you don't have IP up and are tanking will reduce the external healing you require.
#logic
killing the boss faster will also
reduce the total healing you require
signal plover
What was that one thekk/neck beard index or whatever that they used for awhile
uneven mason
also logic
jagged pier
If you get a parse, you completed the fight. Aka you were tanky enough
BIG TRU
signal plover
Healers need to parse too duh
digital nova
go Goldberg or go nowhere lmao
lusty marsh
But had venthyr tank actually been working out for you ikari?