....and?
#protection
open monolith
amber herald
idk
open monolith
The stacks do not appear until final harvest is cast. Period
amber herald
tbh I'm just going to pug it
people's egos getting in the way when I'm just trying to figure out the mechanic
open monolith
It feels like it's your ego buddy
we've explained it to you multiple times and you just aren't accepting what we're saying because we're not giving you the answer you want
It objectively does not work the way you think it does, and the only way you're going to learn that is by doing it yourself
amber herald
Well yes
But I've said I'm going to test it for myself and see
And you're still arguing with me because you're not really paying to attention, it's annoying
open monolith
Sure dude if you say so
amber herald
if I'm wrong whatever, I'm just not certain what you've told me disproves it
low kindle
i think the cc skele still explodes but just not wipe the whole gp
amber herald
No it nullifies the explosion I'm just uncertain about how the stacks work
untold oak
The tooltip shows it as an ability connected to final harvest. It's a drop-down of that ability.
mossy sluice
^
open monolith
The stacks happen when final harvest is cast. It is always five stacks, period.
amber herald
The videos pretty clear but NW has been hotfixed so like I said
open monolith
Whether or not you trap the adds makes no difference
Because he always casts final harvest at the same time
amber herald
going to go see myself lol
open monolith
Hilarious.
I literally just did it on Tuesday, nothing has been changed since then
amber herald
I'm actually edging towards what you're saying but I don't get the hostility
amber herald
I did it on wednesday and something has been changed in the dungeon because they've removed a cheese from it
uneven mason
I'm actually edging towards what you're saying but I don't get the hostility
People get hostile when others are intentionally obtuse. ><
amber herald
That's what I mean by the weirdness man, there's no need to be a cunt about it
I'm not being intentionally obtuse, I literally said I'm going to see myself and then say
And then I can know for certain, there's literally nothing wrong with that
undone jacinth
I mean why are u even debating, the guy posted a video
u can see it in the video
it gets 5 stacks when he does harvest
that’s the end of the debate
amber herald
The videos pretty clear but NW has been hotfixed so like I said
^
undone jacinth
the hot fix changed the duration and damage nothing else
amber herald
Literally not even reading me agree with you, literally all I'm saying is "I need to see for myself"
I don't get the hostility that's all
weirdchamp
undone jacinth
it looks like they are even playing the hot fixed version
amber herald
They've patched the dungeon more recently than that though, there used to be a mob skip you could do that no longer works
A night elf would attack the caster after the 2nd centurion and shadowmeld then the rest of the group could walk through it, but that's been changed
So it isn't impossible they've changed something else
amber herald
I think it's unlikely but I want to know is all
undone jacinth
they’re not gonna have changed the way the debuff is added to the boss
when was the last time they changed an actual mechanic with no post and not just some cheese/bug
amber herald
idd with that, it's a personal preference of mine is all
if that gets you mad then you're a retard
open monolith
Here's where the hostility comes from:
"Hey this thing might work this way"
"it doesn't"
"ok but this thing"
"irrelevant, doesn't work that way"
"ok but this thing still"
"Still no. tested 2 days ago, still works the way we are telling you"
"Ok but i just wanna know"
"we told you, it's verified, here is evidence"
"Yeah but this thing. I guess I'll just find out myself"
surely you can see how that would frustrate literally any normal person
uneven mason
surely you can see how that would frustrate **literally any normal person**
Its an argument with my daughter about why our car can't fly if we add wings.
"BUt airplanes do it, they're like cars in the sky"
amber herald
Well it's also that the boss receives 8 stacks of tortured echoes in that video when it's been hotfixed to 5
tell me if I'm wrong but that's what it looks like to me
undone jacinth
when was the hot fix to 5
amber herald
I don't know that's something someone said here before
undone jacinth
doesn’t exist
amber herald
here ^
open monolith
"Tortured echoes now only lasts 30 seconds (was permanent) and damage increased by 100% in mythic +"
amber herald
and that video is from the 31st of dec
open monolith
that was the change.
amber herald
Yeah I don't see that
undone jacinth
...
open monolith
including player
amber herald
🤔
open monolith
the only thing that changed is that the stacks aren't permanent
it gets 5 stacks because 5 minions
open monolith
did players die?
undone jacinth
1 guy yes and idk if the minion count is the same or if players count for more but it doesn’t matter
stack count is completely irrelevant
open monolith
perhaps players count for more per stack.
undone jacinth
and if it was hot fixed to 5 that would make ur original argument redundant because u couldn’t roll stacks higher anyway
amber herald
My original argument wasn't about it rolling higher...
It was that the boss would have a full duration at 4 stacks
then the cc add dies refreshing it to another full duration at 5 stacks
undone jacinth
which is evidently wrong
undone jacinth
yeah
just probably shouldn’t be talking shout hostility when ur telling people they are mad and retarded
amber herald
Then the video was posted as "proof" but the video didn't line up with what people were saying with it being capped at 5 stacks
well I'm gonna call people mad and retarded when all I'm doing is asking questions about a boss mechanic and because I don't instantly switch to their position they get shitty about it
undone jacinth
they were just saying they hadn’t seen higher than 5, which is just because that’s how many it usually is
if u get shitty when someone else gets shitty that makes u half the problem just fyi
amber herald
makes it fair if you ask me
undone jacinth
yeah the eye for an eye argument has always been considered prime intelligence
amber herald
it has it's validity or it wouldn't have survived for so long
open monolith
"Switch to their position" implies that we have a position
there is no position
that's not how facts work
facts don't give a fuck about your opinion
amber herald
ok ben shapiro
undone jacinth
I mean if you had a basic knowledge of logic u would know it didn’t survive any time at all
but here we are
amber herald
waiting on guildies
You do have a position on the facts that were being represented, and when I watched the video the "fact" that it can only stack to 5 didn't add up with the video which showed 8
so ofcourse I'm going to be skeptical of what you said man, I mean cmon
open monolith
who said anything about caps stacking at 5?
amber herald
You did
open monolith
you were concerned the DoT would be delayed by trapping
undone jacinth
you’re incredibly intellectually dishonest
open monolith
which would make it carry over
which isn't how it works
the stacks are created all at once during Final Harvest
twilit siren
Unstoppable Force or Ravager for m+? and UF with Anger Management maybe
open monolith
trapping has no bearing on that
open monolith
m+ you want Ravager and Bolster 99% of the time
go AM only if you are definitely not needing the shield block uptime
amber herald
I never disagreed with that once it was posted, but it isn't impossible that the boss had been changed
considering people were referencing a hotfix in december
that then turned out to be for something entirely different
amber herald
It's not impossible is it lol
undone jacinth
I guess the baseline is what’s not impossible
the WoW servers might blow up in 1minute
so why are you playing still
amber herald
And there was so much noise around the issue I didn't really think we had a clear understanding of the mechanic at all
mossy sluice
feel like there was a pretty clear understanding
stuff that dies gives stacks to boss upon the completion of final harvest stack
thats been pretty consistent
amber herald
I'm tabbed out waiting for the icon to flash if you really need to know lol
open monolith
undone jacinth
you don’t get irony do you
mossy sluice
the original issue was: are cc's delaying it? and the video shows that the stacks are gained upon the cast, not upon the death of the add
amber herald
Right but that understanding was said to be validated by a video that showed events differently to another thing that was said by the same people arguing for it
throwing into question their understanding of the boss mechanic
open monolith
Nope. video showed the stacks being created during final harvest
which is exactly what we said
amber herald
Which might have been wrong and might have been right
untold oak
There is one thing for sure: tortured echoes is a mechanic of final harvest. There were some other, less obvious, parts of this discussion. But that has always been true.
mossy sluice
him gaining more stacks (above 5) is irrelevent to how the stacks are gained
amber herald
Right
But you also said something else which was wrong
So if one part of your understanding is wrong then how likely is it that others are?
open monolith
I said "I've never seen it go above 5"
that isn't false.
I have never seen it go above 5.
amber herald
It is according to the facts
the fact that it went up to 8 in the video
Also I'm not even disagreeing with you
open monolith
I said "I, me, sock has never seen it go above 5"
undone jacinth
oh how times change
amber herald
my point was that you maybe could get twice the duration of the spell when it went up to 5
royal sorrel
Guys thank you so much, im sitting here enjoying my meal and reading this. its hilarious 😄
undone jacinth
it’s like that interview with the psycho stalker girl Jodie arias or whatever
when they are like we have literal pictures of u killing ur ex
and she’s still denying it
amber herald
What don't you get about that if two things are being said about the same thing
and one thing is correct and the other incorrect it calls into question the validity of the thing that appears correct
mossy sluice
cuz they are different questions
amber herald
Is it more likely that boss works exactly as shown in the video? Yes
amber herald
Is it necessarily true? no
open monolith
undone jacinth
let’s just hope that after u test it u forget about ur logic and don’t need to test it again because it might have changed
uneven mason
let’s just hope that after u test it u forget about ur logic and don’t need to t...
When Dory plays prot
undone jacinth
lol
amber herald
I said it had been hotfixed, and the video that was given as proof showed the mechanic happening differently to what was being said...
mossy sluice
it didn't tho
lime plume
Can you guys keep talking about other neat tank strats your using on bosses though so when I’m creeping this channel all day every day I can learn more fun stuff to make bosses easier now that that conversation seems to be winding down?
mossy sluice
how many stacks is not the same question as how does he get stacks
amber herald
dude I'm not repeating myself
open monolith
@lime plume try this one out in Theater of Pain! On Gorechop, intentionally eat every chain curtain so that you die more quickly and can stop tanking the fight sooner!
amber herald
I gave my reasoning to why I'm doubtful about that like 10 messages ago
pseudo raptor
That’s a next level strat.
open monolith
The Earth is flat. Climate change is a liberal conspiracy.
uneven mason
We've entered the realm of the stapler guy
undone jacinth
the QAnon guys are invading discord now too
amber herald
Well that's what this conversation is really about, it's about the validity of what's been said and I'm doubtful of it you aren't
lime plume
<@!392122078699978772> try this one out in Theater of Pain! On Gorechop, intenti...
Noted!
undone jacinth
Trump is on to us
amber herald
It really isn't a huge issue to be doubtful of what you're being told by a discord server
open monolith
then why come here
mossy sluice
it's really weird to not trust video proof of how a mechanic works
amber herald
I'm just sick of being treated like a retard because I'm skeptical lmao
mossy sluice
based on a cheese trash skip being fixed
amber herald
Why?
undone jacinth
ur skeptical in the dumbest possible circumstance
a literal video shows u the truth
and u think it’s a deep fake
amber herald
It really seems like a subjective thing to me, some people are ok with a certain kind of reasoning and argumentation and I just want to see myself
You're blowing what I'm saying way out of proportion dude
undone jacinth
so go and see for urself
And stop typing
why ask here if u aren’t gonna accept the answer when it comes
it’s dumb
amber herald
I'm not going to be ok with being treated like an asshole for being skeptical about information lmao
untold oak
Nobody said you shouldn't go, my man. I understand the need to go see things. Go do this thing and stop looking for approval. If it suits you, that's all that matters.
amber herald
I did accept the answer in multiple ways though, I just wanted to see myself...
undone jacinth
get over urself
amber herald
Because he was telling me something along the lines of "healer bad"
which isn't helpful at all
undone jacinth
yeah so he’s a mad retard
open monolith
sorry about your bad healer, bud
undone jacinth
well done
I think if I ever have to say ‘I’m not the only one being retarded’ in my life then I’ve taken some wrong turns
amber herald
Literally the reason I want to see for myself is because my logical/reasoning isn't very good...
So it's easier for me to do the dungeon because Idk if what you guys are saying adds up
undone jacinth
that’s what videos are for but it doesn’t matter
untold oak
Literally the reason I want to see for myself is because my logical/reasoning is...
Then do this thing 😆
amber herald
(the innaccurate video)
mossy sluice
WHAT
undone jacinth
Jesus Christ
amber herald
I'm waiting on guildies
undone jacinth
LMAO
open monolith
omegakek
amber herald
Well it was innacurate
mossy sluice
its a vid of the boss dying
amber herald
couple of people said 5 stacks it wasn't just socks
open monolith
that was a false flag video
amber herald
then video shows 8 stacks
mossy sluice
there was a player dead idk how that interaction works
are player souls worth more?
open monolith
it was 8 because a player died
frail wyvern
my brain is bleeding
undone jacinth
I did not hit her I did naaaT
mossy sluice
they killed all the adds as well
amber herald
tbh I didn't see it with the spam
amber herald
You see man you're just making fun of me
open monolith
I can't accept that you are this way
amber herald
I'm extremely skeptical
undone jacinth
do u think the earth is round
undone jacinth
genuine question
amber herald
It really isn't but ok
amber herald
if u get shitty when someone else gets shitty that makes u half the problem just...
I think I'm done dude
undone jacinth
I don’t get it
ionic fern
Aight.
We are going to calm down right here and put an end to this discussion or there will be mutes going out.
undone jacinth
I was being genuine but it doesn’t matter
at least we can all agree that sanguine depths sucks ass
signal plover
yawn
pseudo raptor
at least we can all agree that sanguine depths sucks ass
I’ll agree with that.
undone jacinth
the real question is which boss is the worst
steel mauve
mute me harder
Oh baby
signal plover
Thyme big fan of the ol ball gag
open monolith
@undone jacinth 1st and 2nd boss are both awful on tyrannical
1st isn't so bad if your group is giga-coordinated and you can kite his orbs around without ever needing to absorb them
2nd isn't so bad if your group has good DPS and kills those adds quickly
strange stirrup
Is there a way to sim different covenants on raidbots?
fierce star
what's the recommended prot wep ench?
clever current
I normally roll with lightless force
lime plume
Are you still able to skip the second boss on sanguine depths, grab the holy shield thing after the third boss, and bring it back to the second boss to make the adds more manageable?
clever current
I did this with a group yesterday, feel like that and the cheese strat will get patched
Anyone have a favourite SD/HoA prideful route they could link by any chance?
strong forum
Are you still able to skip the second boss on sanguine depths, grab the holy shi...
na you have to kill 3rd boss to get the shield
and idk if you can actually touch the boss
flat crypt
what lego are all you m+ tanks running?
strong forum
im using wall
flat crypt
Yeah nice, im thinking wall or thunderlord
uneven mason
wall is surprisingly good rps gain
deft vessel
deep steppe
Question. Do people usually use stam flasks or the other ones?
My guild has just been handing me stam flasks and I haven’t thought to ask for anything different until now
uneven mason
If you're being 1 shot, you're doing somthing wrong or just are not geared for the content
Str is armor
str is life
steel mauve
Stam flasks have almost been useless forever, mostly for extremely undergeared plays
uneven mason
HP stacking bears in ICC is the last time I think it was an ok thing to use stam flasks
Tier 10 - the age of the 100k bear
strong forum
@sweet summit @jagged pier ive betrayed you
sweet summit
:sadge
strong forum
but rank15
sweet summit
yooge
jagged pier
fuck i only used 1 potion
dark lark
On Sense's reflect sheet, it lists Wracking Pain (Sire Denathrius) as still unknown. Anybody have an update on this?
chrome osprey
Anyone have any guide or something for someone who quit running dungeons before M+ was introduced? Feel like I have to prepare for a raid to figure out all the mechanics/not get my face smashed in constantly.
uneven mason
Basically M+ is just mythic 0 with amplified damage/health values
But yes, you have to know what is coming
and prepare for it
affixes add another layer for it
Wowhead has a solid rundown of what affixes do, and I guess how to deal with them (tanking is very situation driven)
chrome osprey
Ok. Thanks @uneven mason I ran through a higher key than I was probably ready for and got absolutely destroyed. Was pretty embarrassing, so I appreciate the info!
strong forum
pog rank 14 altimore
sweet summit
pumping!
modern brook
bro is that top 14 warrior (on altimore) nomeratur?
strong forum
HUGE
ionic fern
Anyone have any guide or something for someone who quit running dungeons before ...
You can also take a look at tanknotes.com, they added a really in-depth Mythic+ section.
sick sentinel
i feel like there is a ton of depth in m+
it has aspects of speedrunning like people who try to beat mario in under 5 minutes
uneven mason
5minutes? slaggard, there are 8 years olds who can go faster than that!
sick sentinel
world record is around 4:54
open monolith
@dark lark 100% you can at least deflect the debuff from Wracking Pain
Let me look at my log last night, I'll see if it did damage
No damage.
So just deflect
nimble drift
You can also take a look at tanknotes.com, they added a really in-depth Mythic+ ...
which site do you think is best. tanknotes, icyveins, or mythictrap
signal plover
Use all + own experience ;)
strong forum
tanknotes is 👌
icyveins depends on the author of each article
mythictrap is just competition for tanknotes
nimble drift
cool
also which dungeons do yall think are the absolute easiest this week to get some 15s in for
nimble drift
spires or dos?
nimble drift
fr? thats the one that ive found to be pretty easy
strong forum
is one of the easier ones
nimble drift
ofc magic dmg is miserable
LOL
you need to have a group that meets the baseline of having a brain
to not ass pull shit
at every turn
strong forum
well obv
nimble drift
then sure its easy
strong forum
but plaguefall is quite easy besides meeting healing requirements for last boss
signal plover
^this tbh
It's both dps/healing for last boss tho imo
Gotta keep the rain cast counts low or even good healers oom
thorny laurel
Can I trust prot stat weights for damage? Was curious about it and kinda shocked how high my mastery weight is
twilit siren
Any info if our class will take any buff next patch ?? 😂
errant python
You know the number 1 mythic raid tank right now is a prot warrior right? In terms of log score
ocean bloom
But isn't log score based on other of the same spec?
errant python
^
chilly brook
Plenty of guilds brought it in for at least sludgefist
sweet summit
condemn
errant python
Yeah I’m condemn as well
sweet summit
errant python
Now if only I could get a better condemn conduit than the damn first one given to you D:
sick sentinel
not sure to what but been thinking about rolling a melee alt
It was the same way in BFA guys, don't worry it will pick up when we hit 9.1 9.2 9.3
chilly brook
We dont even need much tbh as prot
Maybe a little damage buff in the single target category
nimble drift
not sure to what but been thinking about rolling a melee alt
roll a monk
they're op
muted pendant
dark lark
<@197616292679647232> 100% you can at least deflect the debuff from Wracking Pa...
Thanks 🙂
tropic drum
chilly brook
Probably bfa
fierce star
how updated are the icyveins/wowhead prot guides for M+ spec, etc.?
open monolith
we doing double potency or double endurance?
our potency ones look... real bad. but then again, so does our endurance
nimble drift
more revenge damage
limpid sigil
One question, when i haev shield block against melee adds, i still take dmg? Its says it blocks ALL mele attack. HOw come? Or do the ilvl on the shield do alot?
strong forum
Blocking reduces the damage you take, not avoid it
thats why block value is so important
it increases the %amount of damage you block
😉
if it would be 100%
pwar would be the most broken tank in the game by miles
open monolith
sure hope the vault gifts me with a 220 shield next week
limpid sigil
so if i get a shield from 184 to 207, i block more dmg incoming?
strong forum
yes
open monolith
yes. Look at your shield
strong forum
its very important
pale lotus
Do you guys know the raid tank tier list
open monolith
tier lists are for mongos
jolly thistle
pls no
kind prairie
coughvulperaDHcough
tropic portal
Guys is there an awesome prot warrior who focuses on M+ that I can view content from?
looking for some insight
or would the strat just be to armory r1 prot warr from raider.io
golden pollen
Since haste vers is such good stats for prot, does that mean pvp gear are bis?
rain burrow
Bis prot is like bis arms pvp ahaha
pale lotus
I have to be doing something wrong as prot cause I feel like I always get nuked. I charge -> shout -> SB / IP etc but get chonked like a mad man
Should I pretty much always make sure to have shield wall or last stand up? For m+
golden pollen
What packs nukes u with those up
civic rover
I have to be doing something wrong as prot cause I feel like I always get nuked....
can't rlly tell you anything without a video tbh.
golden pollen
There's only one pull I know that might be an issue but that can be solved with cc
Is it the trash after 2nd boss in his?
HOA*
pale lotus
In mists, the pack with the tree and cleaver and casters, and the 2 packs before the first boss
The ones that put the magic dmg debug on you
golden pollen
Spell reflect on if needed but u shouldn't get nukes on pull
pale lotus
Not the two packs, those two guys before boss are fine. The pack before those two dudes
rain burrow
That one is kinda on your dps too, hardest packs in the dungeon
Regardless of class, you'll get chonked
ocean yoke
you can reflect the soul split if thats the one slamming you
strong forum
https://raider.io/characters/us/hyjal/Shuibzugzug#season=season-sl-1
He doesn't provide content
strong forum
Guys is there an awesome prot warrior who focuses on M+ that I can view content ...
Sense on Youtube and twitch, I sometimes stream m+ aswell
hushed panther
is there a reason so many prots using Signet? I thought it was a meme
strong forum
It is a meme for prot
They're most likely just arms mains that tank in m+ and don't have a prot leggo yet
Or are misinformed
pale lotus
In my situation arms main with r3 pve and r3 pvp lego
I’m sure theirs is similar
It does feel nice to avatar and get BS on a pack for Afro
Aggro*
strong forum
I'll stream a bit this weekend, mainly the torghast big wing and a couple m+ keys.
jolly thistle
In mists, the pack with the tree and cleaver and casters, and the 2 packs before...
charge in, shockwave > spell reflect. you should get both debuffs. wait for a few secs and then pre-shieldwall the second set. if both soulcleavers are still up, kite a bit or stun one of them to desync the casts. kiting and waiting for spell reflect is probably better tho. best is to tell your group to focus them as well
modern brook
With pog champ gone theres a real opening for nomchamp
strong forum
Fuck I need 700 conquest too...
For that juicy 220 weapon
Coulda gotten prolly #1 parses tonight with it :^)
NomW already exists Bull
Just need my sub button :^)
pale lotus
In mists, do you guys do the sap/cc skip on the pack before the shrooms? To have prideful for boss
And if so, where do you make up that lost %
jolly thistle
there's enough trash in the end
strong forum
^
jolly thistle
i think you can do 60% between the last 2 bosses
strong forum
You skip that 1 pack, and you'll end up at 95-100% around last boss without pulling extra
pale lotus
So if you are short, do you go off the the right path a little to pull more? After second boss
jolly thistle
or if you really want pride before boss you can do them before. i wouldnt tho
strong forum
Na it's not worth it
pale lotus
Cool so if you get 100% after boss you don’t have to do the last prideful?
strong forum
Spending like 1-2min just spawning + fighting the pride
jolly thistle
if you have a rogue you can use the 80% pride and shroud to boss
yeah you dont need to fight the last one
once you reach 100% and all bosses are dead. the key is over
pale lotus
Sweet good to know, thanks!
steady spruce
Is it me or are the players more toxic in Plaguefall and Necrotic wake? Is it some kind of rp i don't understand?
restive flax
you forgot to mention Spires of Ascension
steady spruce
kinda the dungeons where CC from dps is really necessary
coincidence?
Also hunter can bump mobs from Sanguine pools right?
uneven dune
Yeh bursting shot does the trick
steady spruce
is that a talent?
restive flax
not really.
You need a talented hunter to click the button though
otherwise they wont know about its existence
steady spruce
So a hunter doing only 3 bursting shot in a whole instance where several mob found themeselves in sanguine pool is kinda meh?
restive flax
yes 😄
restive flax
"yo tank, why didnt you pull the mobs out of sanguine bro?"
steady spruce
DPS have no idea of wich spell to decast
restive flax
decast means kick?
steady spruce
yes sorry
interrupt
like on PF shitload of Necrotic bolt being decast but no viral globules or other important spells
also people still kicking the looong cast of the nerubians before third boss
steady spruce
i mean it doesn't do much apart of making you unable to move
and i think you still kill the spider first
so should'nt matter
steady spruce
Well if he's casting this he's not casting the spell that pop some little shitters
restive flax
okay thats fair yeah
steady spruce
stealthlings
steady spruce
not if your dps don't focus it lol
restive flax
did you try putting a cross on it?
steady spruce
say what now
restive flax
I had a holy priest today that couldnt heal through a prideful elemental on a +11
fkin... dumb
and he was 208 ilevel
cinder storm
Been farming tank trink in DoS and after 20 runs I got the Power Crystal
cinder storm
Yeah, next blue post will say "We forgot to add scale to DoS loot table back after we added time"
restive flax
or some shit that prot warriors cant actually get it
the only way to get is by having someone trade it to you
spare oracle
any tips for getting glyph of destruction on sword phase on art?
feel like im just screwed
restive flax
Shield Wall, IP, Spell Reflect, request an external
or, well Last Stand to just power through if you dont have anything
spare oracle
you can live through sword pull?
restive flax
OH
uh... yeah just run away and jump 1 second before the sword kills you
not sure what to tell you there tbh... do you not have jump ready or something?
mighty valley
Just hit leap in a direction that isn't the exit to the portal lol
undone jacinth
in halls are people pulling 2 packs at a time or 3 up to 75%~
robust lantern
Depends what packs, the dog packs can really fuck you
But you can pull quite hard on the third anima golem like triple pack easily
undone jacinth
I’m doing like a half split of 3s and 2s but I feel like we are slow
and 1 wipe is timer gone
mellow patio
They do hit quite hard
hidden steeple
undone jacinth
kyrian
barren socket
i've done 23 spires run already and no trinket, just end me already
wooden heath
Which trinket from spires? the anima haste one?
cinder storm
after 22 DoS runs I went with a friend pala and we both looted the scale
astral crystal
I hope you kissed under the scale 😳
nimble drift
Just did a ToP 13 and a PF 13
god ToP is giga aids
that trash for the caster boss fuckin miserable
last mason
are u guys lusting on 3rd boss pf this week
buoyant heath
why is it every time i get in a group with a player from Quel'Thalas and Ragnaros theyre such bad players i just did a key with a Druid healer and i did half his healing...as a prot warrior.
pseudo raptor
Language barrier.
buoyant heath
well that would be it if he spoke at all, i usually dont tell healers how to play their class while doing a key
pseudo raptor
In my experience with those servers their players don’t speak and make all kinds of weird things happen. A guildie once used google translate and pasted it into chat to explain mechanics. It’s a tough one.
buoyant heath
idk its weird its been like this forever but i never run into a good, what country is that?
tardy parcel
anyone else just not ever look forward to running plaguefall
even when run smoothly it's an annoying dungeon lol
acoustic stratus
ill take it over DoS
tardy parcel
that's fair
acoustic stratus
fuck ardenwield area
tardy parcel
as dookie as DoS is on higher keys i still adore the actual aesthetics
plaguefall is just "dawg we hope you like GREEN"
sand pebble
is judgement of the arbiter worth making for dps gains as tank or does the extra rage gen from the wall win out
acoustic stratus
but yeah, the bumber of the tings that can go wrong in plaguefall is pretty high
tentacles mispulling for one
lethal kite
@sand pebble I believe the only time it's really worth much for prot is when you know you have at least 1 dps with it so it cleaves for both of you
sand pebble
fair thanks
nimble drift
Nothing ruins my day more than ass pulls
I articulately lay out a beautiful route for pridefuls and the easiest of pulls
ONLY FOR BRAINDEAD DPS WHO ONLY KNOW DESTRUCTION AND FILTH TO RUIN IT WITH THEIR TINY BRAINS
nimble drift
Bolster on H Sludge?
Bolster 100%
hallow phoenix
anyone else just not ever look forward to running plaguefall
PF and DoS are perhaps my favorite dungeons :(
nimble drift
I genuinely enjoy DoS
But I hate PF
Theres like 3 trash packs in DoS that are hard. One of which you have an urn for
The rest is cake imo
Especially last boss
silver trout
Love DoS
smoky wave
Twisting feels goooood as prot. Melle hits popping ip which pops 3min shield walls. Shouts double shouting and adding 90% damage boosts. Was super fun.
cinder nova
How the hell is this prot paladin taking more damage than me when I'm tanking Sludge the entire time primary
I'm even taking damage from fists
like
the fuck
Not even out DPSing me
What
jagged pier
paladins get slapped, and they take full damage from the boss now regardless of whos tanking
jagged pier
Bolster on H Sludge?
bolster till you get used to it bolster makes the fight stupid easy, AM you do actually loose SB uptime on him, but the stomps sort of make it okay to run AM
cinder nova
That's what it felt like but DBM I think is calling them a little catty-wompus because I hold block for stomp and it's like a decade before the fucker uses it.
And then I could've gotten like 3 extra swings in on block instead of taking them to the dome.
But yeah
Bolster smoothbrain tank
I already was basically taking no damage with AM but Bolster made it brrrrrr ez
fringe marten
Whoah..I been Sleepin' on this "Pleonexian Command" in Torghast.
(Steal 5 Phantasma from target after Victory rush)
got it 4 stacked because it just? happened to be the best choice for some things. ...I wasn't hurt so I didn't normally cast Victory rush.. what an idiot~!
strong forum
How the hell is this prot paladin taking more damage than me when I'm tanking Sl...
Cuz prot pally is the squishiest tank
And both tanks get hit for the same amount, doesn't matter who tanks what
Both get melee'd for 42k pre-mitigation
fringe marten
Paladins shield block as well right? It's just not their biggest form of active mitigation?
cinder nova
Their AM gives them armor.
cinder nova
They patched Sludge?
Blizz out here just killing everything interesting about fight mechanics
strong forum
?
cinder nova
"YOU GOTTA SOLVE THE RIDDLE THE WAY I WANT YOU TO"
fringe marten
What do you mean 'patched' ?
cinder nova
There was testing and talk that primary tank damage dictated secondary tank damage.
When did this change?
strong forum
From beta to live
cinder nova
Blizz hates F U N
cinder nova
I mean you probably could with a geared warrior tbh
fringe marten
Yeah, the other tank would be a DPS..you would just roll externals/etc on the MT to the point where a DPS could be the second tank.
strong forum
Or monk, yes
cinder nova
I'm just bored with Blizzard's mindset on how they tweak the game.
fringe marten
or maybe a healer? and then add another dps to the fight?
cinder nova
It's very That Guy DM kind of feel.
cinder nova
Depends on what you consider reasonable. I think using the highest mitigation tank to smurf a mechanic perfectly reasonable as it's not an exploit.
fringe marten
Eh...? I mean I kinda' like Castle Nathria asa whole. ...yeah there's sun king.? /sigh But otherwise it's a cool raid. Cool looking area/cool fights mostly.
We only get our 1 tank intensive fight usually (Ursoc, Ape in dazar'alor, 2 headed dog in Nyalotha) ...otherwise they're designing fights around the other 18+ people in your mythic/heroic flex raid to be engaging and testing.
strong forum
Denathrius kinda slaps tanks
fringe marten
Hell they only made sure to make every fight a 2 tank endeavor so more people would PLAY them. Imagine what it would be like to find tanks for M+ or pug raids if all you ever needed for all content was 1 tank?
Not really. What makes Sire any kind of nasty is the stacks getting a bit too high, and then the raid running/scrambling into position and very little heals going out sometimes.
fringe marten
He himself isn't THAT scary...even his wombo that ends in the pushback is only rough if you have zero block and spell reflect unavailable.
strong forum
Cuz sludge hits like a wet noodle
fringe marten
Sure, there's how many people here progressing on mythic sire?
I'll worry about that boat when I'm sailin' in it.
strong forum
No im just saying
There's alot more tank damage in this raid
Compared to all of bfa
But that's prolly moreso because tanks are weak af
fringe marten
Well now that may be true; but that's why it's kinda' cool honestly.
strong forum
Na i hate it
fringe marten
OH GOD yeah, holy cow that seems like ages ago
fringe marten
Yeah final phase was spicy, ...umm? I remember something about the 3 headed dog ..hit kinda' angry?
fringe marten
and Vectis's dots could get way outta' control.
I tanked it in mythic and? it wasn't nasty it was just the first thing that started hitting kinda' hard..where as all through norm/heroic it was way tame.
But wow..Uldir was so long ago it feels like another xpac. holy cow
Basically Azshara/Nyalotha...and mostly Nyalotha tier; bringing the corruption in changed the game so dramatically I forgot all the stuff before it.
Am I wrong here, or was the introduction of the corrupted powers the biggest power spike the player base has ever seen, relative to the content they were doing? (regardless of stat squishes, relic weapons etc.)
The power spike we gained over current content in that xpac due to corruption was insane.
You mean the gargoyle leap?
uhhh...? No idea; but I would think you could use the intervene conduit to reduce the damage afterward maybe?
That's why he's the priority. The gargoyles ARE the boss. the generals are there swinging around annoying mechanics to 'deal' with
candid igloo
So what ilvl are people tanking heroic and mythic raid at? I was tanking sludge tonight at 194 and noticed there was only 19 parses at that ilvl. I know im behind (because i rerolled after 3 weeks of BrM) but damn! i thought there would have been more than 19 parses at that ilvl...
spare cobalt
gaming boys
strong forum
So what ilvl are people tanking heroic and mythic raid at? I was tanking sludge ...
For heroic 194 should be aight
ionic fern
So what ilvl are people tanking heroic and mythic raid at? I was tanking sludge ...
A lot of it comes down to overall numbers as well - there are not a lot of Protection Warriors in general.
heady bluff
Hello. New to tanking. I downloaded mythic dungeon tools And can't figure out how it works? Where does it show the route? What to pull? It wasnt working for me And didnt manage to work it out?
ionic fern
Hello. New to tanking. I downloaded mythic dungeon tools And can't figure out ho...
You are supposed to import the route or make one yourself.
heady bluff
Was yelled at in my first mythic plus
clear ruin
You make your own routes with it or import another’s
strong forum
gaming boys
Huge
heady bluff
Didnt know. Isnt there any easier addon?
clear ruin
I like Quazii‘a routes
clear ruin
No
ionic fern
It's a really easy addon as it is @heady bluff
clear ruin
It’s the best tool imo
ionic fern
You just have to get the basics down, nothing more to it.
heady bluff
Didint know. So i will use the guide to set it up. Thought its plug and play. Thanks fellow clap machines
strong forum
Finally someone else on that R1
candid igloo
Ahhh. I guess a lack of prot warriors would explain it. And 194 wasnt bad.. my stat weights are hella wrong though. Cant get rid of mastery to save my life.
heady bluff
So if I get it correctly, I Will download a route, import it into MDTool And am good to go?
jagged pier
not even a 1000 io andy and people out there doing 19s
strong forum
haha only cause shuib quit
Can't say if he's good or not, just that he bothered to actually push, when no one else did.
Ykno
You got some lucky keys in a row though god damn
Hoa into plague into hoa into plague into mists
spare cobalt
yeah we got the rng on our side! it made up for all the KR i got in bfa @strong forum
candid igloo
Were haste/verse prio tho right?
strong forum
Ilvl > haste > vers/crit
jagged pier
^^
fallow mortar
Do you guys also get the problem of charging a pack in torghast and then suddenly the entire room is crashing down on you?
candid igloo
Yeah, so my verse is around 5% i think. What i meant, is dropping some of that mastery in favor of some more verse.
jagged pier
depends if its a high ilvl or not
ionic fern
Hoa into plague into hoa into plague into mists
Talking of Plague..i had some interesting interaction yesterday when doing a 15, i got randomly pulled onto a skeleton just as the slime boy was doing his smash on the last boss. And then it happened to our DH the other time around. o.o
jagged pier
🤔
strong forum
Idk I haven't done more than 4x weekly in the past 3 weeks
Maybe I'll play some this weekend
The only necrotic wake I've done are the ones from week1
Same with sanguine depths lmao
ionic fern
I just depleted a NW+15 yesterday because our DH had the hook trinket bound to some of his abilitites and he hooked himself into the frontals like 3 times.
😂
jagged pier
🤔
strong forum
Pro gamer move
Melees and frontals, name a more iconic duo
Ranged and complaining about having to sidestep 
chilly brook
jagged pier
got to love torghast
molten holly
I have a question i wanna run buy you guys, what is the potential chance dragons roar is a hidden gem for damage?
ionic fern
Well that's a easy answer - SIM yourself. 🙂
ionic fern
Considering the 224 ilvl he's just probably equipping the highest ilvl things.
jagged pier
^^
twilit siren
Considering the 224 ilvl he's just probably equipping the highest ilvl things.
with that gear he cleared Mythic again yesterdau
ionic fern
Again - highest ilvl things.
twilit siren
so it's better to use 220 ilvl items than 207 or 213 with worst stats?
strong forum
Yes
All you care about is high ilvl
Once you are 226 in said slot, that's when you start to consider better stats
twilit siren
But not for trinkets maybe I'm right?
strong forum
Obv
ionic fern
Trinkets/rings/neck are an exception.
lunar slate
Good morning everyone 🙂 I am looking for a macro where i can have Intervene and Charge in 1. I found a couple of handy macro's online (icy-veins, wowhead etc.). I did how ever saw Darkeewar (Lightee7) use a Marcro where the icon would switch based upon his target. Anyone know what that is? Thanks in advance 😄
twilit siren
What neck is our BiS from CN and M+?
strong forum
The one from HoA
twilit siren
ty
strong forum
2nd best neck is from Arena
ionic fern
Don't think CN has a heavy haste neck.
twilit siren
and what about rings? I'm playing with Stitchflesh's Misplaced Signet and Ritual Bone Band
203 both
twilit siren
one is haste and the other one is vers/mast
jagged pier
and I have them both 🙂
strong forum
I'm using baby rings
ionic fern
What i don't have tho is the god damn Hakkar trinket.
jagged pier
same
lunar slate
What i don't have tho is the god damn Hakkar trinket.
yeh that one is so good! i have the Heroic one on my paladin. Cant seem to get it drop in Mythic
ebon hound
226 Shield or 226 hakkar trink, you can only have 1
jagged pier
: hippo :
ionic fern
I'll chill with my 207 shield forever.
ebon hound
I can't, too manki for pvp
ionic fern
Cause i refuse to pvp.
twilit siren
we dont care about Pawn yes? are we unistall it :P?
ionic fern
Yes.
strong forum
Yes
ebon hound
Ye
undone sun
Y
ionic fern
If you don't write "Si" @sweet summit don't bother typing.
sweet summit
_ _
strong forum
jagged pier
:winde :
ionic fern
flint kelp
anyone else rly hate being grouped with a disc priest?
jagged pier
not a good one
strong forum
Disc needs to play really well to do good
ionic fern
Disc needs to play really well to do good
Ontop of the group needing to play really well.
stark lion
Good morning everyone 🙂 I am looking for a macro where i can have Intervene and...
@lunar slate
#showtooltip /cast [@target,harm]Charge;[@target,help]intervene;[@mouseover,help]Intervene;charge
sweet summit
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover] Intervene
/cast Charge
Looks nicer 
jagged pier
sweet summit
Id just get a wa to track the cd of intervene
sweet summit
Thats shield wall on party?
sand condor
yes.
sand condor
(keep in mind this taNK in question has issues staying alive in heroic bosses)
sweet summit
Oh uhh
jagged pier
it isnt a very good leggo compared to others no
but a leggo wont make your break the tank
they are probably playing incorrectly
ionic fern
Is he in this discord?
ionic fern
jagged pier
sand condor
when i refer to skyhold he laughs and says "they just dont know how to play my style"
sand condor
hahaha
sand condor
here are logs
i am about to get my prot warrior back into the game of tanking for the sole purpose of showing him what a prot warrior actually does
ionic fern
Is his style called "i do everything the opposite what's considered good"?
ionic fern
Ok, so he's doing almost everything wrong
Including his ability priority
Missing a ton of SS/TC/Avatar casts.
Ontop of spamming Devastate.
jagged pier
no we dont know his style Mwahi 
ionic fern
Jokes aside, if he won't listen to anyone - just replace him asap.
jagged pier
^^
ionic fern
If he wishes to learn suggest this Discord.
lunar slate
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover] Intervene
/cast Charge
Looks nicer <:pee...
Thanks mate! But this doesnt change the icon when you: Select friendly target > Intervene Icon Enemy Target > Charge Icon. Is it a special addon he (Darkeewar) used?
jagged pier
but he has blood scale on a log
why is that not equiped here?
🤔
okay that triggers me he has a high ilvl shield
sand condor
it seems none of his shit is updated
lunar slate
<@!457253788453961749>
`#showtooltip
/cast [@target,harm]Charge;[@target,help]i...
Thanks mate! Been using this one indeed. Doesnt change the icon.. not that its really big of a deal. Was just wondering.
jagged pier
thoughs conduits though
sweet summit
Thanks mate! But this doesnt change the icon when you: Select friendly target > ...
Oh i dont know, i use weak auras to track cooldowns on abilities. My bars are hidden
strong forum
Thanks mate! Been using this one indeed. Doesnt change the icon.. not that its r...
Icon doesn't need to change, what matters is for it to work
sand condor
there we go
lunar slate
Icon doesn't need to change, what matters is for it to work
hehe true mate 😄
sand condor
he swaps between kleia and pela for raid/m+
jagged pier
why the fuk does he get a bloodscale bliz???
sweet summit
Sadge
strong forum
"you just don't understand my style"
"tanks aren't supposed to do damage"
jagged pier
🤔
strong forum
Is prolly what the dude says
sand condor
those are
strong forum
All the time
stark lion
I'm one of those idiots that's been playing Prot in a bubble since like, TankSpot closed down at the end of (...WotLK?). Trying to get better.
jagged pier
well if he comes in here, he can explain his style to use so we can understand
strong forum
I'm one of those idiots that's been playing Prot in a bubble since like, TankSpo...
Trying is the first step 👍
jagged pier
because i dont get it from logs
spare cobalt
@strong forum I just went into a 15 “I shoulda went to bed key” and got globaled 3x in a row lmfao 😦
spare cobalt
Dude I’m actually the polar opposite haha
sand condor
thank you valajar, i have a smile on my face once again.
spare cobalt
Legit 0 iq plays
stark lion
Is there a particularly good fight to look at logs for, for Prot warriors? We're currently stuck on H Denath, but those logs are so scuffed IDK how useful they'd be.
strong forum
Huntsman imo, 100% uptime on tanking there, and council I guess
Sludge is also okay but he has actually quite a bit of downtime actually
stark lion
Eh, we all cheese parses on council (I just revenge spam) because we stack all 3 for morale boosts when we orange parse, lol.
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
Or parse
jagged pier
^^
stark lion
See, that's how long I've been out of the scene for.
jagged pier
I mean if you look at the log it should show it
strong forum
That's why sunking also doesn't count towards allstars
stark lion
strong forum
Too much pad possibilities
stark lion
jagged pier
well get rid of bladedancer trinket for one
strong forum
Darkmoon Deck + spike/insignia
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
You can throw consumption organ and bladedancer right in the trash
jagged pier
^^
stark lion
haha, can do
jagged pier
fair enough XD