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jagged pier
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/kevllar/
what are you looking for in terms of suggestions
chilly brook
Wait Lightee is using UF?
strong forum
what’s scuffed on it
Trinkets, conduits and soulbind
chilly brook
tf
strong forum
Lightee isn't using UF
undone jacinth
Any gamers wanna check out my character and suggest any changes?
Get more gear
strong forum
He only used UF very early on in m+
wicked lantern
what are you looking for in terms of suggestions
Stat prios mostly
jagged pier
Ilvl
strong forum
Is just ilvl
jagged pier
haste
wicked lantern
Get more gear
But...but...35 anima is all M+ wants to give me 😔
jagged pier
ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>haste>> vers>=crit>mastery
undone jacinth
Lightee isn't using UF
has it on his armoury right now
jagged pier
expect rings and neck where if its got haste use it
strong forum
Then he's inting
What can I tell you
In raid last time I checked him live he was using itf
undone jacinth
wasn’t asking what he’s using to begin with
strong forum
Yes
undone jacinth
but thank you for the usual blanket statement lol
jagged pier
^^
wicked lantern
ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>haste>> vers>=crit>mastery
Is there a specific % of verse people try to aim for? I know haste you can never get enough of
jagged pier
people cant argue using it anymore
jagged pier
Is there a specific % of verse people try to aim for? I know haste you can never...
nope
just highest ilvl
with as much haste
the other stats are very very close to each other
wicked lantern
Solid, thanks y’all
ionic fern
Oh shiii
chilly brook
Oh shiii
very nice
doing 113k dps is hilarious
Holy shit
LMAO
Who tf needs execute
Just Ancient Aftershock
worn bear
AA📈
undone jacinth
how does the new shit work, just 18 lvls of a new one?
craggy harness
new portal, but its got the flavour of the other zones--
undone jacinth
and we can start at layer 8?
craggy harness
no.
chilly brook
like 70+ powers by the time you're done
craggy harness
🙂
Affixes don't seem to be a thing, at least not at layer 2
maybe those don't start til later
Clearly I should walk away, just woke up
undone jacinth
every layer is 18 floors?
chilly brook
yep
undone jacinth
Jesus Christ
jagged pier
its 18x8
craggy harness
or am I misremembering
undone jacinth
that is gonna take so long
chilly brook
No 18 is the last boss
undone jacinth
is it giving ash
chilly brook
Every 6 floors is a boss
undone jacinth
oh perfect then
craggy harness
also if you ship a certain couple.
undone jacinth
I’ll do it once to do a 200million dmg convoke then never again
chilly brook
Definitely feels better than regular torghast
craggy harness
Just wish there was a pause though right
chilly brook
As far as getting a fun run
But it's a commitment time wise
Offsets the possibility of getting bad powers too tbh
undone jacinth
are any of the rewards decent
chilly brook
A mount for the maw
undone jacinth
never go there anyway
chilly brook
But you gotta do all 8 layers for that
undone jacinth
xd
craggy harness
pet, toy, title, mount
strong forum
Aka, unless you do maw for sockets and conduits, no it's not worth it
craggy harness
and I guess, achievements.
chilly brook
I'd do the maw more often if it respected my time
undone jacinth
I like this expac not requiring us to do anything
craggy harness
just wait for the people in your guild to cry because of final layer wipe at 3 hours
strong forum
Technically maw is the only source of potency conduits above ilvl 200
undone jacinth
meh
strong forum
So somewhat a requirement, but only to minmax I guess
undone jacinth
raid for some surely
strong forum
Well given pwar doesn't use any potency
Besides spear, which is Worldboss
Not a huge loss
undone jacinth
we don’t sell any but I’ve got 5k gold so maybe I’d like us to
chilly brook
I only saw 2 on a few bosses
strong forum
iirc
undone jacinth
it’s defo 3
craggy harness
Who saw the patch notes for TM raid loot being nerfed and went "glad I got in on that already"
chilly brook
Must have been a visual bug
lament charm
I had two normal runs back to back 0 drops
strong forum
^
chilly brook
Oh well
At least I got a massive upgrade from raid for once
30ilvl on the chest piece
soft flower
does the m0 thing happen in raid too where if the item would drop for the loot locked person, your raid just gets 1 less item?
strong forum
Yes
soft flower
ok ty
strong forum
If you have a 20man raid, and 18 people can't loot the boss because they killed the boss already, nothing drops unless the 2 leftover people get insanely lucky
craggy harness
"If it doesn't feel like work and taxes, are we doing our job right?"
chilly brook
Content is still fun at least
But the system needs tweaking
It hurts the casual player base the most tbh
Some of the content definitely needs a tuning pass though
undone jacinth
lower level content having the same drop rates slows down the game so much
if I pvp and buy boes the difference in gear is just absolutely stupid compared to doing 900 dungeons or heroic clears
chilly brook
I've done probably 25 m+ runs in the last week and a half and had 2 drops
That's not good
Coupled with the fact that m+ is also harder than the heroic raid at a 14/15 at least imo and it doesnt even drop heroic equivalent
undone jacinth
I ran 18 theatres and 10 mists on my alt and still have a blue weapon and 184 shield when I get a 200 from an hour of pvp lol
chilly brook
Yea..
Its honestly kinda raid/pvp or die if you want to gear up and be serious
Or even if you want to push keys
You're pushed into those
undone jacinth
like I’ve never been demotivated to dungeon even with no reward but doing all that and not even being able to have epics...
chilly brook
I had that 184 chest that I just replaced since like week 2 btw
undone jacinth
and I have a main and other alts to maintain
yeah I’ve had those since first week of mythic 0s
undone jacinth
on my main I have like 110 keys done and I’ve had one weapon drop
chilly brook
undone jacinth
and guild skipped h denathrius lol
chilly brook
Dont blame them
jagged pier
what h denathrius has some sick loot
chilly brook
Dude is a pain in the ass
undone jacinth
he has the weap I need 😦
jagged pier
its not overtuned at all
undone jacinth
I’ve done him a lot and it’s only the last phase I think is a little unfair
with the hand of destruction on last pie slice
is a little much for hc imo
but I like it
jagged pier
its an end boss, what do you want for him to just fall over?
chilly brook
Idk could just be my perception and the fact that I'm tilted that my guild is actually having to prog in heroic
undone jacinth
does that sound like what I’m saying lol
jagged pier
theyve added a bit of challenge back to hc which is a good thing, far more people progress hc than mythic
jagged pier
and its better it takes them more than like 2 weeks to clear the raid
chilly brook
But there are some aspects of the fight that feel overtuned for heroic
undone jacinth
I don’t have a problem with the challenge I’m just saying that final overlap could be a bit much with how much chaos the fight already has
jagged pier
but they added diffciulty back into hc, normal is the only one that should be a faceroll, hc should have a challenge to it
chilly brook
Same with sludge
Sludge has an insane healing and tank damage output for a heroic boss
chilly brook
I mean....
undone jacinth
I found sludge kinda easy tbh
jagged pier
afterwards it was a piece of piss
undone jacinth
sludge has such a pattern to it you can outplay it
jagged pier
like before hand was a good fight
chilly brook
You can
But that's not what I'm getting at
It requires a lot of your average player
undone jacinth
I’d say the average player with gear should be ok
jagged pier
but hc is for your average player really so it should be challenging for them
chilly brook
Most heroic guilds are likely going to implode on sludge or denathrius
jagged pier
maybe maybe not we dont know till they get there
undone jacinth
stone legion has gotta be harder than sludge
chilly brook
It's not imo
jagged pier
from my friends that still raid hc they are really enjoying the challenge again
jagged pier
and sludge requires you not to move
undone jacinth
but that makes it harder because sludge u just beat with gear
chilly brook
Same could be said for SLG
jagged pier
same is said for sire
on our 3rd kill it was a joke
compared to our first
he got dumbstered
chilly brook
Like sludge still has a lot that can cuck your pull quickly even with gear
undone jacinth
gear helps with everything but it helps more when the issue is purely dps hps
chilly brook
Sludge isn't purely dps/hps
jagged pier
its is more so than SLG
chilly brook
I remember being in a heroic guild
Being partnered with someone on a fight like sludge sounds like a nightmare
In that environment
Instant death because of stupid things
It shouldn't be a problem but it is
undone jacinth
our healers suck mechanically and there was definitely chain issues
although I swear all healers suck mechanically
every fight I’ve raid lead with a healer mechanic makes me nervous
nova vector
So is SD just really tough with this weeks’ affixes or what? Tried my hand at my first 12 and it did not go well to say the least
undone jacinth
SD trash hurts a lot
chilly brook
Could be a lot of different things
willow hearth
hey guys ! i got the Inscrutable Quantum Device trinket today from the vault... but i guess its not that good for prot warrior, right?
willow hearth
upgrade shoulders from 200 to 220
slim garden
i know that kyrian is best for prot and after that night fae and at the bottom condemn, but i am seeing som Venthyr prot warriors doing rly good in bouth m+ and mythic raiding.. is there something im missing? are there any venthyr prot mains here who can share some input in how they are doing?
ionic fern
I Unstoppable Force back this week with the new conduit ?
No.
zenith monolith
ok 🙂 ty
ionic fern
i know that kyrian is best for prot and after that night fae and at the bottom c...
Venthyr is good for both Fury/Arms so there's a chance that they are playing DPS in raids (hence the Venthyr) but are playing Protection in m+.
slim garden
Venthyr is good for both Fury/Arms so there's a chance that they are playing DPS...
ye but if u look at logs there are several Venthyr prot warriors up there with like 8/10 Mythic
ionic fern
Venthyr is also solid for Prot in ST so if they are mostly a raid tank it's a solid choice from DPS PoV.
astral crystal
might just be arms moonlighting as prot
slim garden
and the 2nd highest RIO prot warr in the world is venthyr
just got me thinking thats all 🙂
astral crystal
since venthyr is their best st dps covenant
ionic fern
He's a DPS main.
You can do most content with any Covenant, some of them are just better at certain situations.
E.g Venthyr in ST DPS, Kyrian/NF in AoE/Utility etc.
Kyrian/NF are the "go-to's" since they are good all arounders. They do solid in ST and in AoE while also providing Potion/Blink.
amber herald
slim garden
yea ok he is. bad example on my part. but i have been looking on every prot warrior on the rio latter that is venthyr and there are som prot mains out there that are playing venthyr. and what im asking is basicly is there some good wierd synergy going on with venthyr prots 🙂
ionic fern
Not really, no.
Maybe they liked the mog.
Maybe they are mainly raid tanks where Condemn is solid.
astral crystal
are you certain they're actually 'prot mains'? best look at logs to determine that also
undone jacinth
venthyr has some good soulbinds and condemn is good ST
point is ur play is more important than ur cov
slim garden
how is venthyr good in ST when its better to cast IP then condemn?
undone jacinth
how is it better to cast ip
undone jacinth
and how much dmg does it do
ionic fern
Guess they are talking about purely from the defensive PoV.
undone jacinth
tanking isn’t only about surviving
slim garden
ye i know
undone jacinth
so then u shouldn’t say it’s better
slim garden
just thinking out of a defensive stand point atm thats all
undone jacinth
aye I get it but when u think like that u come to the wrong conclusions
like venthyr being bottom
even people in mythic raid or highest keys are thinking about more than how to be as tanky as possible
slim garden
ye tho its out prio one right. cant kill bosses if u drop dead all the time cuz u spent all rage on condemns
it must be a balance
undone jacinth
but if the condemn shield is enough to keep u alive then it’s better to kill the boss faster
slim garden
ye i get it
ionic fern
Don't think it was his PoV, it was just something he read on a guide and brought up, nothing else.
slim garden
im just trying to wrap my head around Venthyr prot wars
jagged pier
alot of them i think are dps mains as they are running signet
no main prot is gunna be running that
or i would hope anyway
undone jacinth
shuib is running signet
slim garden
ye the synergy with signet / AM / UF looks cool
strong forum
Shuib isn't running anything
undone jacinth
he uses signet a lot ?
jagged pier
ye the synergy with signet / AM / UF looks cool
eh?
ionic fern
Venthyr:
Might be Arms/Fury warrior mains
Might be mostly raid tanks (Venthyr=solid ST DPS)
MIght like the transmog
Might like Twilight so wants to be a vampire.
strong forum
He isn't playing war anymore
ionic fern
You can run anything and be fine.
jagged pier
^^
slim garden
eh?
Signet makes ur avatar do something else ye? thats cool and fun. AM = more avatar . UF = bigger claps during avatar
undone jacinth
look at the date of all his logs
jagged pier
but most prot warrior would choose the wall or thunderlord gives far more than signet
astral crystal
ionic fern
This is literally the "MUST HAVE FOTM CLASS FOR A +5 key!!!" topic but just for items.
undone jacinth
look at the dates u mong lol
jagged pier
Signet makes ur avatar do something else ye? thats cool and fun. AM = more avata...
well UF is dead so i dont see how that fits in
undone jacinth
yes yet he’s used signet in shit loads of the highest keys
slim garden
well UF is dead so i dont see how that fits in
ah i forgot. about the conduit. show of force
undone jacinth
and was not raiding as arms
slim garden
no i havent forgetten it
i said i forgot it. not you. and i was talking about synergy not numbers
astral crystal
🤔
undone jacinth
do u think he crafted signet and pushed to the highest keys so he could start raiding as arms on January 6th
is that ur logic
jagged pier
i said i forgot it. not you. and i was talking about synergy not numbers
UF still doesnt fit into that synergy though, AM does ravager or ITF will fit in just as much as UF
astral crystal
i wouldn't dare to presume 
undone jacinth
so ur starting to understand now then
astral crystal
understand what exactly
undone jacinth
the argument that u have to be an arms main to be running signet in keys is wrong
or that he was one
ionic fern
I'm gonna run Seismic just so people can argue why.
undone jacinth
exactly
astral crystal
maybe you can get him on the horn and ask him personally
jagged pier
running unhinged this week
strong forum
Unhinged + signet gamer here
slim garden
I'm gonna run Seismic just so people can argue why.
hehe 🙂
astral crystal
j ust sounds like youre in need of illumination is all
undone jacinth
oh please lmao
strong forum
Gonna get 2 MS out of my signet procced bladestorm as prot
undone jacinth
illuminate me wise one
jagged pier
Gonna get 2 MS out of my signet procced bladestorm as prot
POG
astral crystal
not from me friend :^)
ionic fern
Aight, lets not get carried away with this discussion @astral crystal @undone jacinth .
astral crystal
i'm being CIVIL mwahi
undone jacinth
he crafted a Lego over a month ago so he could raid as arms yesterday once
illuminated.
astral crystal
slim garden
i saw something Cool and odd tho. A prot warrior named Sereiz i think on warcraftlogs.
Venthyr with signet. gemming enchanting crit so ye prob arms main. but was able to tank 3 bosses on mythic. i was looking at him and was like " huh this guy is pretty mnuch the oposite of what the guides are saying with everything. Talents / stats / leggo / covenant everything basicly . basicly that just shows that everything is doable i guess
strong forum
Yes
Leggo/stats/covenant don't stop you from doing anything in the game
It's just suboptimal
It's a group effort
Not a 1man show
jagged pier
i saw something Cool and odd tho. A prot warrior named Sereiz i think on warcraf...
i mean revez was tanking sludgefist mythic as aventhyr prot warrior
astral crystal
tank obv needs to know his shit, but group comp is 90% of the key
and group play*
strong forum
Once people start parse whoring, you will maybe see alot more venthyr prot warriors on the Charts
undone jacinth
yeah ‘people here’ are the ones who don’t get that when ur saying a guy has to be an arms main to run a certain Lego
astral crystal
dolphin i never said that, take it easy bud
muted pendant
when u get a 226 shoulder and u have Wall legendary on that slot - I really dislike the Vault so far
undone jacinth
🤤
astral crystal
u can comb through chat logs and confirm if u want :^)
strong forum
when u get a 226 shoulder and u have Wall legendary on that slot - I really disl...
F
jagged pier
when u get a 226 shoulder and u have Wall legendary on that slot - I really disl...
i mean if its the raid shoulders i would take for the transmog
undone jacinth
yeah I’m sure u just linked him being arms in a raid as a random observation
behind ur nuanced understanding
and then continued to post a screenshot of it
to further show ur understanding
strong forum
Its highly illogical to seriously play signet as prot main
That's a simple fact. Now drop it
This discussion is pointless
undone jacinth
yet people keep saying the dumb shit of nobody runs X you can’t run X etc
undone jacinth
ur my hero
slim garden
i switched to venthyr yesterday, im scared ...
onyx matrix
I find it fun too
undone jacinth
that ability is the coolest
onyx matrix
Dont be scared
undone jacinth
doesn’t the cd make u cry tho
solar crown
is there any catchup-mechanic when you switch cov? or are you just weeks behind in renow?
onyx matrix
@solar crown there is
undone jacinth
yeah u catch up very fast
wheat sleet
you just do callings and gain renown
undone jacinth
u can do the whole renown catch up in a week
slim garden
no more remove bleed or curse for this guy <---- 🤐
solar crown
oh, ok, then its no biggie. Kyrian is the gayest covenant anyways, i absolutely hate it
undone jacinth
lmao
onyx matrix
@solar crown same dude I hate it too
The abilities are great
But the rest? No thanks
wheat sleet
what if being prot made condemn apply the damage reduction in an aoe around the target 
unfortunate line break
wheat sleet
ah yea
strong forum
Or be a generator
Or have any aoe interaction
Stuff like that has been asked since alpha
But no fun allowed
onyx matrix
Banner is so cool but the cd is poop
wheat sleet
😔
onyx matrix
Cheer up mate, necro is the worst anyways
undone jacinth
banner also has the problem of making the threat dynamic worse rather than better like the other covs
onyx matrix
Dw I play prot in pvp, 1v2 rogues sometimes is so fun
Eating them without losing any hp
😂
undone jacinth
you’re really living the dream
solar crown
still not able to move while casting it?
onyx matrix
There is a conduit for that
solar crown
Would have been so much better if you run while casting it
onyx matrix
So its possible
solar crown
oh, ok
solar crown
Have to 'waste' a conduit on that though, or does it also increase shield value?
onyx matrix
Yea emeni has it
I honestly feel that necrolords playstyle is just so much more fun
And the campaign is so much better than the crappy kyrian one
jagged pier
necro playstyle?
onyx matrix
Yea
restive flax
the difference is that you loose time and basically dont have a covenant ability
onyx matrix
Mmm dead rogues and mm hunters
restive flax
I mean, you only get that in specific dungeons / with the plaguedoctor soulbind
but its so irrelevant that you dont feel it
Playing Necrolord is basically like playing without a covenant. Almost nothing changes
undone jacinth
someone got told off by their necrolord parents
thorn nacelle
Can I not transmog a Sinful Shield into something else?
restive flax
Well I played Necrolord for a decent amount of time
strong forum
If its an equippable Shield, you can transmog it freely
restive flax
But it just does not have an impact on anything you do
misty tartan
I got a question about WCL and I can't figure it out, maybe Im missing something:
How can you see amount of blocked hits/total amount of hits taken?
ionic fern
Damage taken
restive flax
And everyone who says that your covenant doesn't stop you from doing harder content is just delusional. Yes you CAN theoretically do it with that covenant. But you always need to compensate for the lack of power. Either through gear or party members
misty tartan
thx Mwahi 🙂
pseudo raptor
crisp dragon
What enchant should I use on my chest?
daring nacelle
30 primary stats
crisp dragon
What about Skirmish? Isn't that nice
daring nacelle
its better for pure ST dps but 30 primary is better overall from what ive heard
signal plover
empty spindle
Hey guys I wanna start tanking m+ and possibly raids again. What’s the best in slot legg for m+ and which piece and vice versa for raiding
graceful leaf
What is it that is making warriors represented so low? I'm currently guardian but just now saw the changes to arms and would love to switch back as guardian is quite boring.
jagged pier
Hey guys I wanna start tanking m+ and possibly raids again. What’s the best in s...
thunderlords or the wall for m+ its a preference
the wall for raiding
jagged pier
What is it that is making warriors represented so low? I'm currently guardian bu...
community perception
empty spindle
What spot leggo for the wall ??
jagged pier
shoulders
empty spindle
Thank you sir
onyx matrix
Necro Necro Necro Necro
jagged pier
What is it that is making warriors represented so low? I'm currently guardian bu...
to go further with the community perception thing.
the tanks are all really really close in terms of balance in mitigation, not dealing damage.
warrior is probably the most punishing tank to play, the difference between a good and bad prot warrior is night and day. we are not bad we are very strong if played correctly.
unfortunatly for us that means alot of Streams and YT's etc, have gone out to say we are bad, while playing it incorrectly etc. and that filters down to the community that we are bad and have a low representation.
is there anything wrong with us? no
can you do all content? yes
if people say prots bad, they probably havent played with a good one
jagged pier
its an ability from trash in raid i belive
graceful leaf
Thank you for typing that out. I think I'm gonna make the switch. They can only go up anyway according to the community. Arms in arena and prot for everything else. Warriors are just too fun!
graceful leaf
How's the damage compared to say guardian? Do you know jakey?
jagged pier
How's the damage compared to say guardian? Do you know jakey?
less we are the weakest on ST i believe or second weakest something like that
pump in aoe though if you pick kyrian or nightfae
graceful leaf
Yeah I'm thinking kyrian
jagged pier
just use it on pull well you should anyway
not when things are dying
should be saving it
strong forum
Thank you for typing that out. I think I'm gonna make the switch. They can only ...
Warrior is also entirely different than any other tank, which makes them quite unpopular by default. We are pure mitigation with no actual "selfhealing". We got indom now which does a fair but, but is nothing compared to monk spheres, frenzied regen, death strike, souls or word of glory
runic sphinx
Ive tried both Kyrian and night fea. I like night fea better. I think the soulbind is better overall and the aoe stun/knockdown is nice
strong forum
Being unpopular by default + getting bad mouthed is a vicious cycle that results in low representation
wild rampart
what is the hardest item slot to upgrade, that you guys experienced?
jagged pier
not really had any trouble just pvp'd to fill the slots i didnt have
astral crystal
yeah at the moment every slot is rng whether you gear or not given how loot works
smoky wave
what is the hardest item slot to upgrade, that you guys experienced?
Shield. Since wrath always crappy Shields.
sonic mesa
Decanter trinket any good? can replace for 200ivl trinket, decanter will be 223 but also have BiS ring with socket 220 to replace 213 HC one
in vault
jagged pier
decanter is okay
graceful leaf
Ok awesome I guess I haven't looked at the night fae ability. I will start to watch videos and get my WA going.
sonic mesa
Mhmm also have the ring from sire in vault 220ilvl with socket, really dont know whats better
strong forum
what is the hardest item slot to upgrade, that you guys experienced?
Neck would be the hardest as there is only 1 neck in the entire game that you really want
The one @ionic fern got out of his weekly chest at 226 this week
😠
jagged pier
oh yer neck that true
i have 200 ilvl version of that neck
its not going anywhere for a while
strong forum
I have the haste conquest neck at 220
Cuz it's the 2nd best one
But still low haste..
jagged pier
yer but my 200 neck has like double the haste as that one
jagged pier
better start running HoA 
strong forum
Did like 5
If not for pvp
I'd still have a 168 neck
And not have the "epic" achievement
I'd also still have a 190 shield
:)
amber herald
Anybody know how much ancient aftershock generates rage per tick?
can't find the info online
jagged pier
depends on the amount of people hit by it no?
amber herald
Not got it yet but thinking of switching from kyrian to nightfae as a dwarf
amber herald
I know I had a lot of fun in necrotic this week completetly ignoring the affix lol
but the ability to kite with blink is very strong and the ability to knockdown with aftershock is also very strong
jagged pier
it only knockback if they stay in it
so if you kite they wont get knocked down
and you shouldnt need nightfae to kite we already have so much
pale lotus
anyone know where i can find a list of class CC's and things that put mobs in combat
amber herald
Easier to search for things that don't put mobs in combat tbh
pale lotus
well my real question is on the second 4 pack that people normally skip in mists, can a monk paralysis it?
amber herald
But off the top of my head those are sap, DH trap, poly/hex and paralyse (with enough range)
Yes but he has to use ring of peace
lusty marsh
Mind soothe as well
jagged pier
well my real question is on the second 4 pack that people normally skip in mists...
the thing is about most cc, even if it doesnt put you in combat if you get to close you will pull the mob anyway so when its out it will attack you
lusty marsh
Not a cc. exactly but works almost as well
amber herald
Monk cc is weird where paralyse won't put you in combat if there's enough range between you and the mob
pale lotus
so how come when you sap or dh trap it you can just run by it
amber herald
So on that pack monk has to spec into ROP
pale lotus
but monk you need to sap + rop
amber herald
Yeah
monks can do that pack I've seen it done
Because rop doesn't put you in combat
You can throw it at any mob and it wont' aggro
paralyse doesn't aggro but there's a distance proximity to it
pale lotus
its weird how the DH cc you can just do it and run by like a mongo
amber herald
the cc mechanics are a bit weird imo
a lot of things that didn't used to aggro now aggro
pale lotus
is there a place we can get mdt routes from now?
uneven mason
MDT isn't being a paywall anymore.
tardy parcel
is there a place we can get mdt routes from now?
https://raider.io/news/162-the-weekly-route-fortified-sanguine-quaking-and-prideful Dratnos' routes have always worked pretty well, going back to 8.3
signal plover
They're a great starting point
jagged pier
I like making my own
graceful leaf
So when you say warriors have a lot to kite what all are you talking about.
Does prot have piecing howl?
tardy parcel
They're a great starting point
Definitely. Excellent starting points, then fiddle as you do what feels comfortable to you lol
sweet summit
Shockwave, intervene, heroic leap tc slow @graceful leaf
jagged pier
fear
graceful leaf
Forgot about thunderclap.
signal plover
Pretty much every tank has to kite above like 13s on fort weeks.
graceful leaf
Yeah on my monk it's insane what I actually have ability wise to kite
signal plover
I like making my own
I've started doing the same this season and I actually kinda enjoy it. But I also def start with either a sense vod or a dratnos route if I haven't done the dungeon a lot (I only do 2-4 keys per week since it's all I can squeeze in alongside raids and PvP)
jagged pier
im the same reaally, but ive always made my own routes all the way back in legion so im not gunna stop now
and fuk all the pugs that tell me im wrong then stil get prideful on bosses etc
latent scaffold
Is Anima Field Emitter 220 better than the Stone Legion Heraldry 207? I'm confused
latent scaffold
Huh. I'll go with anime then, thanks
signal plover
Weeb kek
sweet summit
jagged pier
: hippo :
patent cairn
- good for prot ?
jagged pier
no
patent cairn
Good combo ?
strong forum
Anime = good
jagged pier
its alright
strong forum
Don't @ me
amber herald
I prefer hentai
sweet summit
strong forum
A man of culture
uneven mason
I prefer hentai
Now that's just weird.
uneven mason
You dying alot?
outer solstice
I go in and ported out like 5 seconds in
uneven mason
or just crashing?
outer solstice
I just get teleported out
sweet summit
Heard people say that
strong forum
Seems to be a bug happening to lots of people
outer solstice
yeah
sweet summit
Idk whats up
jagged pier
yer i would stay away from torghast til tomorrow now
strong forum
Wednesdays are always fucked with lag
outer solstice
but it's fun
jagged pier
its always get nuked on wednesday
strong forum
It's kinds cringe
uneven mason
Well, they did hire Holly from Everquest, and while she was overseeing that game, we had endless days of infinite instances spawning which would crash servers and disconnect people
maybe she brought her special brand of "Oops" to Blizzard.
outer solstice
at least it only seems to effect "new runs"
valid zodiac
Does Pride benefit from Fortified affix?
sweet summit
ok im pogging irl rn
astral crystal
damn
i got a 207 and 5 target yields a 38k shield
how THICC that shield be at 223
strong forum
Okay wow
I knew the absorb scales well
But this is way more than I expected
I expected 25k at 226
signal plover
Pogscale
astral crystal
enorman
twilit siren
haste has any cap?
fierce tendon
nop
sweet summit
i got a 207 and 5 target yields a 38k shield
48k
astral crystal
god damn that's thicc
waxen cradle
223 Blood Scattered Scale hitting 5 targets is just ~roughly 27k x5
uneven mason
haste has any cap?
100% SB uptime.
We will not reach it.
Don't sacrifice ilvl for haste 😄
strong forum
223 Blood Scattered Scale hitting 5 targets is just ~roughly 27k x5
That's not how it works
Its not linear for a while anymore
Was like that in early beta
waxen cradle
@strong forum I was going to say that maybe they intend the absorb cap to be far lower that the actual linear amount would be because otherwise it would be stupid OP
muted pendant
It seems there are some server issues with TC? I get kicked out the instance after 3-5min and have to start again...
strong forum
Yes
uneven mason
Yes
strong forum
I reckon too much traffic
uneven mason
I reckon they're being cheap with resources.
jagged pier
well looks like i wont get my 235 shoulders before raid so if i get shoulders of hungering ill have to keep them
such a shame C:
strong forum
Wednesday is always omega laggy
strong forum
well looks like i wont get my 235 shoulders before raid so if i get shoulders of...
Ohno, you get to keep the cool transmog ohno :^)
jagged pier
sorry cant trade them
astral crystal
nathria plate mog looks slick
muted pendant
how can you not spend more res on sth like TC once you release it
jagged pier
its the same with all dungeons but raid on a wednesday they funnel a lot to the raid for reset day as far more people will be in there
muted pendant
at least it happened early on and not after a couple of layers
should I upgrade Wall to r4 if I can or spend some ash for unhinged to push arena? I think I will have to go revert to pvp to get new gear
sick sentinel
been finding its much easier in spires on final boss to just do the spear myself
let other ppl try it and they screw it up
uneven mason
my favorites are the people who scream at the healer for dying when they run into the blackspots to grab orbs
rather than just, waiting 1/2 a second
ocean bloom
Is it ever worth holding demo shout for the defensive applications in raid?
uneven mason
Uh
jagged pier
nope
uneven mason
you use it on CD while tanking IDK
Unless you're trying to parse DPS
then you use it on CD to condemn
ocean bloom
Currently ill delay it by roughly 2 gcds if I know something will be hitting me then
sick sentinel
we used a spear on the pack right before 2nd boss spires, told them only dps leader, still was only able to kill him and like 1 other guy
tired moon
Hi! Im a disc priest. Just ran a 10+ and the single target healing the prot warrior required was crazy. Are we a bad fit? What do prot warriors need in their healer?
graceful leaf
Logs?
tired moon
no logs sorry
w
but I didnt really spec for single target healing.. ran my usual setup
open monolith
Sounds like your prot warrior was probably shit
jagged pier
could be a combination of a lot of things
steel mauve
i my self prefer through put healers, i didnt enjoy havinga disc in m+'s personally, but could just be me
tired moon
is it harder to keep up block now than in bfa?
sick sentinel
one tip i can give you about healing warrior tank is they need to have shield block, or ignore pain up, or else they take a ton of damage
jagged pier
is it harder to keep up block now than in bfa?
yes much more downtime
jagged pier
sounds like a bad port to me
tired moon
that doesnt really say anything
thin cape
right but you're moving between packs during that run
restive flax
You didnt fight for 30 minutes did you?
open monolith
I mean, I did an 11 NW yesterday with someone's disc alt who said "wow you don't take much damage".
So more than likely the warrior you were healing was very bad
tired moon
hmm
open monolith
A bad warrior stands out far more than a bad brewmaster, for example
More room for error
Lower lows
tired moon
i mean
restive flax
my healers usually do damage most of the time
or heal the party
unless theres some real hard hitting mobs
thin cape
yeah my healer has zero issues healing me
tired moon
running into a pack he just MELTED
restive flax
rofl
thin cape
problem with warrior is that it's incredibly active
you legit need to push your buttons all the time
restive flax
what key was that?
open monolith
He wasn't properly using any of his CDs or mitigation tools
sick sentinel
the tank needs to use shield block and (if talented for) bolster because those 2 give us 100% block which greatly reduces incoming physical, for magic side we have spell reflect -20% magic dmg taken, and IP, and for everything SW
tired moon
but I didnt do well as a healer either tbh
open monolith
Unless.... Was it the 2nd pack of De Other Side?
thin cape
booming voice + thunderlord means demoshout should almost always been on cooldown
open monolith
Because everyone melts to that pack
tired moon
yall use the anger management thing or
restive flax
BV alone means that you got to have it on cd
tired moon
the healing when using rage thing
thin cape
bolster + the last stand rage conduit + ravager means you can just drop ravager and last stand and then spam ignore pain if you absolutely need to
restive flax
Indom is the best talent in that row yes
sick sentinel
anger managment is if we run the wall lego
restive flax
you run AM if the content is easy and you dont need more SB uptime
no matter which lego
sick sentinel
TL feels better
thin cape
Yeah I cannot think of a spot where I don't run bolster
jagged pier
thats subjective
steel mauve
to some the wall feels better
restive flax
I mean.... in Narnia nomal i just run AM
because I wanna become a stoneman more often
tired moon
okay hear me
jagged pier
i run aM in CN hc as well tbf
tired moon
overrall damage taken for the tank is 2.5k of wich there is 0.5k selfhealing
thats 2k single target healing
thin cape
I can see AM being the play on certain bosses in CN
restive flax
DTPS?
signal plover
Don't look at self healing for prot
tired moon
every second
restive flax
what key level was that
tired moon
10+
signal plover
What dungeon
frail wyvern
low selfhealing = low IP use
signal plover
Not that simple
jagged pier
^^
tired moon
hoa
jagged pier
we have low self healing in general
frail wyvern
well yeah but 0.5k is LOW
sick sentinel
i am running kyrian, 196 ilvl , talents are devestator, storm bolt, boomer voicer, indomitable, ravager, and bolster
restive flax
Which packs did he get shat on? Just in general?
tired moon
it was the damn dogs who did him in the most
signal plover
This is all just guesswork without logs tbh
tired moon
but also just regular big pulls where we used the loyal stoneborns
restive flax
I mean they do hurt a lot
tired moon
yeah
restive flax
But not at pull
signal plover
He may not have cleared bleeds efficiently
restive flax
He said that he dropped as soon as he pulled
signal plover
Or kited as much as needed
restive flax
which is not normal
signal plover
Prolly a delay in getting SB up
tired moon
but stressed me out cause I didnt even have time to take over the loyal stoneborn before he at 20%. I dont have a holy shock to save tanks so Im just thinking maybe disc/protwar isnt a good fit
restive flax
I havent had issues with any healer personally
signal plover
It's not the best fit, but in a 10 it's perfectly fine
tired moon
yeah ofc we got through it
frail wyvern
I've done runs with disc no problem, actually some of the best runs were with disc
open monolith
@tired moon was this a pug warrior or someone you know?
restive flax
You just need to know how to open a fight with mitigation up
tired moon
my m8
sick sentinel
one thing you can get to identify when people are doing things wrong is get elitism helper and it will call out any time someone takes damage they could have avoided that does like 20% or more of their hp
open monolith
Tell your mate to do some research on his class, and maybe join this discord
He is clearly doing something wrong
tired moon
might be me aswell tbh
open monolith
What level was the key and what dungeon? And what is his ilvl
signal plover
I bet he's running UF/AM
restive flax
Also what ilevel is his shield
open monolith
Yeah none of the trash on halls does any damage other than maybe the three dogs and two houndmasters
thin cape
oh good point, shield is mega important
stark sage
@tired moon to me it sounds like he's trying to use his defensives reactively, prot is all about proactive mitigation, needs to have block up at the start of combat and keep IP rolling
tired moon
but thanks for yall help. Might be we just arent used to fortified is all
sick sentinel
he is a disc priest ran a +10 hoa wih a warrior tank is is trying to find out why warrior tank took so much dmg
open monolith
Fortified is significantly more difficult for a tank
signal plover
It def doesn't sound like that's the issue
thin cape
as a group you could try rotating your CCs and having the warrior kite more
open monolith
So that is true
tired moon
I trust his skills tbh
signal plover
Not a good mindset to improve
tired moon
hehe true
thin cape
we're all just tryna help
restive flax
so what is his gear roughly?
signal plover
Even if he's top woyer in the world you always wanna review/feedback
If your healer is concerned about surv, you seek out help, not the healer
sick sentinel
if we have a link to his armory we can get a good idea of if he is running correct stuff or not
tired moon
Im just here cause i was curious to the state of warrior tanking
restive flax
warriors are very solid tanks
tired moon
ait
thin cape
I feel like all the tanks are pretty solid atm
tired moon
so we gotta look to how we do things
stark sage
needing a healer to babysit us is not commonplace, definitely sounds like he is having problems with mitigation uptime
restive flax
I feel like all the tanks are pretty solid atm
do you count bdks as a tank?
thin cape
no they're arts and crafts
sick sentinel
good warrior tank health bar won't ever dip below 50% in a m+
restive flax
tired moon
thanks for advice boys im off ❤️
signal plover
good warrior tank health bar won't ever dip below 50% in a m+
Idk about that
restive flax
good warrior tank health bar won't ever dip below 50% in a m+
that is a very loaded statement
like...
sick sentinel
i was thinking about it too lol
thin cape
lmao I have been almost dead and not died many times
signal plover
It's ok to drop below 50% hp as long as you understand what's coming at you and the next bit of dmg is predictable
thin cape
especially last week during necrotic when I was asleep at the wheel
restive flax
In some pulls you can definitely drop low because damage intake is higher than you expected because people didnt kick stuff they were supposed to
jagged pier
It's ok to drop below 50% hp as long as you understand what's coming at you and ...
the tbh
restive flax
especially last week during necrotic when I was asleep at the wheel
Dude the last trash dude in HoA is actual terror with trash dps
I was at like 53 stacks of necrotic desperately trying to drop them 😄
sick sentinel
oh, make sure your warrior friend also hits his victory rush any time its up
jagged pier
why would you hit it if your 100% though?
restive flax
I think you can imply some form of common sense for that
steel mauve
some cant, telling some one to hit it any time its up will inevitibly cause some one to use it with out thought
jagged pier
I think you can imply some form of common sense for that
im a prot warrior i have no ommon sense i just zug
restive flax
fair
candid igloo
Is there a soft cap on the benefits of stacking haste?
valid scaffold
Hi guys!!!, one questions is Pelagos Bis or just until late Makinos? i hear about the push back but dmg+healing sounds worth
maiden rapids
Does anyone know if you keep your covonent campeign progress if you switch covenants.
modern brook
Mik sucsk
ionic fern
Fortified weeks with pugs doing less than 3.5k overall DPS and not interrupting
Are a pain
modern brook
Are a pain
I screenshotted this because i knew i could use it against you one day
modern brook
In retrospect i shoulda just screen shotted i like pugging
ionic fern
^
modern brook
T-T
Honestly this week is pretty easy
but then again after the hellscape that was spiteful everythings felt easy
ionic fern
First key i did was a +14 PF.
No one interrupted.
And the DPS was..as i already said..less than 3.5k overall by all 3 of them.
Pulls took FOREVER
modern brook
😬
I play Prot rogue, as we know, and anytime im top dps i know its gunna be a bad key
undone jacinth
I had a warlock do 2.2k dps in a 14 theater yesterday
undone jacinth
affliction
modern brook
😬
undone jacinth
did the same damage as me
loud mural
Is the heal/damage trinket from ToP any good? Got it at ilvl 220, vs 194 anima field one. Just doesn't seem to do much actual healing/procs
valid scaffold
being real how much overall dps you need in your 3 dps to time a 15? 4.3k?
undone jacinth
depends how much u and ur healer are doing too
valid scaffold
and blizzgood bless me yesterday
undone jacinth
Ion is kind
valid scaffold
i usually do like 2.6k and my healer is doing 1k maybe more depeding on the dungeon
strong forum
if you dont fuck up anything and play it smoothly, 4k dps on the dps and like 2.5-3k on yourself should be plenty
should almost +2 15s
undone jacinth
wut
strong forum
if you play clean af, you dont need alot of dps
undone jacinth
I feel like ur numbers get more silly every day lol
valid scaffold
this week is really good
fierce tendon
cause I had a group about 4.5-5k and we had to walk out of a 13 necrotix
last week
valid scaffold
i hate necrotic wake
fierce tendon
2nd boss dps check made me fail a 14 and the 13 lmfao
strong forum
I feel like ur numbers get more silly every day lol
what would you say then, if my answers are so silly
valid scaffold
i love spires but hate the spear, my normal ms is 210 soo i cant do it sadly
valid scaffold
no, i live in the land of trash internet sadly cant get any better
undone jacinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwvhjKrXppc 3 dps doing over 4.5k dps, tank doing 2.5k dps only 5 deaths and they time it with 1 min left, also almost a month ago with worse ilvl than now
undone jacinth
I’m obviously not gonna give blanket numbers because its dumb af but ur not +2ing 15s with 4K dps on the regular
strong forum
nobody said on the regular
undone jacinth
?
valid scaffold
no i mean usually in my group i have 2 MMs doing 4.1-4.3k dps and 1 unholy doing less than me
2.3-2.5
undone jacinth
yeah that’s not acceptable
fierce tendon
lol
strong forum
unholy should be topping
valid scaffold
that what i said when i see his dps
undone jacinth
that warlock I had the other day doing 2.2k dmg just literally wasn’t using his CDs
valid scaffold
i did
strong forum
cuz thats just not okay
valid scaffold
hes try harding today
valid scaffold
if not i have to pug sadly
strong forum
how
strong forum
like i make fun of my dps players if they dont hit 5k overall
undone jacinth
didn’t use arcane explosion one time, sometimes would just literally go afk in fights
wdym they only need to do 4k to +2 ur 15s 😂
valid scaffold
i did with my war arms 180 3.2 overall ventyr
undone jacinth
yeah I think we were doing around 4k on week one
onyx matrix
by the might of the necrolords absorb shield!
undone jacinth
but honestly playing alts is... you just see a whole new type of player
I had an arcane mage top damage fire blast so I asked him what he was doing and he said he just liked fire blast
cast like 2 pyros
undone jacinth
fire mage that was actually sorry
the arcane was the guy who didn’t cast arcane explosion once
to where I had to find out if that’s the play now
apparently it’s not!
valid scaffold
what?
fierce tendon
all i know is uncapped flamestrikes literally clear shit when they combust
so fast
undone jacinth
yeah fire is so nice atm
the best is when those players tell you to certain stuff
like saying to kite the boss in mists so they can melee dps while running away from the adds lol
undone jacinth
thick and tight
strong forum
shut up you venthyr bitch
sweet summit
strong forum
preferrable
valid scaffold
strong forum
OOF
undone jacinth
yikes
strong forum
thats some low ass haste
aslong as you equip highest ilvl its the best you can do though
valid scaffold
i can up it to 15% but at cost of 7% vers
undone jacinth
do u even get ur third block up by the end of ur 2nd
strong forum
you cant even get a third block with 20%
undone jacinth
itf?
undone jacinth
I feel like I’d play itf if I wasn’t getting it, such a quality of life thing