Oh does Splintered synergise with Necrotic? Badly i guess?
#protection
open monolith
No you don't lose the stacks
It usually just saves me from a healer who can't do mechanics on the final boss of a dungeon and dies early
We wouldn't have timed theater of pain 11 without splintered
steady spruce
having the healer die on last ToP boss is fun
modern brook
(grats though)
open monolith
Splintered is a crutch just like Last Stand is for VDH huh?
Lol
Get over yourself
modern brook
LOL no your healer
open monolith
Well then my hostility melts and I take it back
modern brook
my heart stil lbroken
left bane
splintered?
open monolith
:(
modern brook
one might say
open monolith
Splintered Heart of Al'ar
steady spruce
we all thought it come on
open monolith
Kael thas cheat death trinket
modern brook
Splintered heart of Bull'fango
left bane
oh i know what it is, he said his heart is broken and i suggested "splintered"
steady spruce
why isn't there any reaction possible in this discord i want to say i liked a joke without having to say it
modern brook
I like to think its because we're a Str Class that cant figure it out
fallow cloud
hi, in m+ is haste till what %? Then versa>Mastery?
steady spruce
Hey Spoon, great joke! I'd upvote it if i could
modern brook
but in reality its probably just a thing to keep memes to aminimum
left bane
Thanks, I'm happy to explain any jokes in the future as well!
modern brook
also noone would talk and everything would just be 
reactions
steady spruce
@fallow cloud don't bother too much with stats just take big ilvl (not for trinket so )
modern brook
hi, in m+ is haste till what %? Then versa>Mastery?
M+ is haste > crit=verse >mast
just go for ilvl then haste and you'll be fine for must stuff
steady spruce
Yeah i liked that about Fight Club (Classic war discord)
fallow cloud
ok ty ❤️
left bane
Just because I've now typed in here and I'm committed: I was planning on making Signet for overleveled content fun, but you guys say it doesn't proc ravager nor proc from ravager? that defeats a lot of what i was going for
modern brook
Signet does not
left bane
brutal
modern brook
I wish blizzard allowed me to have fun 😦
steady spruce
But looking at top 1 M+ warrior the 2 charges heroic leap leg seems like the best one lol
modern brook
LEaper always #1 tbh
left bane
yeah i'm probably going to make leaper instead now
sweet summit
sadge
steady spruce
Also intersting he uses Punish for first row talents
modern brook
LEaper always #1 tbh
have you considered siesmic reverb?
for revenge Memes
Man best served cold really does just suck doesnt it
sweet summit
no its pretty fucking strong for dps
steady spruce
it's nice to get as a free talent in torghast lol
steady spruce
I might try Rumbling earth (Shocwave cd reduced by 15 seconds if 3 targets hit) with the Shocwave cd reduced Conduit
15 sec cd Shockwave sounds nice
modern brook
15 sec cd Shockwave sounds nice
you'd be DRing your own stun lol
modern brook
Diminishing returns reset 15s [after] the end of the last effect
steady spruce
ok
modern brook
so if u stun for 2s, 15s later, it'd have only been 13s
and like yeah just hold it for2s but then why take the extra CDR
steady spruce
i mean it's more to interupt spells than actually stun the mobs right?
modern brook
Also very true but i figured we're just havin fun
modern brook
i mean it's more to interupt spells than actually stun the mobs right?
generally
undone jacinth
illegal
steady spruce
storm bolt is really nice but just seem to use it when a dps doesn't do his job
undone jacinth
which is a good thing
modern brook
storm bolt is really nice but just seem to use it when a dps doesn't do his job
Also generally
You gotta realize DPS are unionized
steady spruce
Double time feels pretty useless as prot but some people seem to have a use for it
modern brook
they're doing their best to not do their job
thats my daily "hahaha workers rights" joke
modern brook
DT is good when you out scale content at the least
I havent really felt a need for it yet personally
I think SB is just the best option and havent looked back since like early bfa
undone jacinth
yeh if ur pushing there is no option
DTs main use for me is probably places like plaguefall where ur slowed a lot
and sometimes charging can help
also theater first boss
ocean heath
you dont use intercept instead?
modern brook
interceptis only allies
undone jacinth
they do different things
modern brook
^
ocean heath
I mean to get out of stuff
modern brook
rest in peice my sweet baby boy Intervene
he died young and loved
So that Arms can have spell reflect in pve
ocean heath
how does spell reflect make and sense on fury/arms lol
uneven mason
Because it gives blizzard an excuse to leave them as dumpster fires for DPS
"LOL THEY HAV UTILIDEE"
ocean heath
they should give fury/arms some ability to realistically tank for like 10 seconds
modern brook
imagine if spell reflect put downa big shield that blocked LOS
ocean heath
as utility
undone jacinth
doesnt arms have taunt and die by the sword
open monolith
ProtWarrior won't get buffed in the tuning pass
modern brook
It has taunt and die
open monolith
Quote me.
undone jacinth
isnt dbts 100% parry?
ocean heath
if they could off tank for any amount of time, it would be broken though
undone jacinth
but they can?
inland silo
ocean heath
they could give us a CC like chaining a mob down, but that's entangling roots i guess
ocean heath
what happened to disarm
fierce tendon
Pvp talent 
open monolith
HNNNNNNGH i got a 220 upgrade to the last piece i had that was 184 (other than my 171 hakkar trinket which will never be removed)
feels amazing man
fierce tendon
soxketttt tjajakana
only piece I have a socket on is a 203 ring with crap secondaries
open monolith
p.s. are we still using the 2 strength gems from BFA?
and then haste for everything else
sonic tangle
They nerfed them so its not worth
sonic tangle
If you got enough sockets to dink around with then have at it
distant crystal
well my dh is my alt see
and i got a 207 poxstorm last night and gave it to a mainraider DH
so karma looked out for me
uneven mason
its not a 233
uneven mason
I mean your image
civic glade
What trinkets do you feel are overall a must have in a m+? Also in Castle Nathria
lavish oracle
I don't know that there's any 'must haves' in the way that like CoF was a must-have for fury, but blood spattered scale is pretty good
So is the Denny trinket
distant crystal
chalice and pustule are p nice for dam options
autumn narwhal
Have they stealth buffed parry?
lavish oracle
How do you mean?
autumn narwhal
I have like 7% more than last time i checked
lavish oracle
Oh, hm, I'm not at my computer to check
Did you get a bunch of crit since you last checked?
strong forum
I have like 7% more than last time i checked
You get parry from crit
autumn narwhal
yeah but it says i only get 3% parry
autumn narwhal
strong forum
Oh wow you really only have 8% crit
lavish oracle
Parry also scales with STR, no?
strong forum
Not that I know of
autumn narwhal
i am getting 10% parry from somewhere but i cant explain it
strong forum
You have base parry
Just because you're a Str tank
Plate tanks get parry
Leather tanks get dodge
autumn narwhal
I swear i only had 6-7% or so parry last week
sick sentinel
i had enough SA to upgrade r3 gloves tl so i did
strong forum
Big
autumn narwhal
this is what im thinking - have the buffed the base parry?
lavish oracle
From askmrrobot's list of tank formulas from bfa
So unless it's changed, it appears it does scale with strength
autumn narwhal
yes it does with 102 stam trinket i get 13.19% parry - with 69 stre trinket i get 13.60% parry
lavish oracle
I'm pretty sure I had 15% last week
lavish oracle
well, I have 16% parry now
so unless I also just dropped a lot of crit, I don't think so
autumn narwhal
i definitely didn't have double figures parry last week and i have only gained a few ilvl average which is not a lot of strength to increase it that much
lavish oracle
Yeah, I dunno, I remember checking my parry beginning of last week because I wanted to see what my odds were of dropping necrotic by sheer luck 😄
lavish oracle
Mine hasn't gone up very much so I'm not sure what's up with yours
autumn narwhal
my chars bugged anyway, nothing drops in prot loot spec
autumn narwhal
feels like it
smoky saffron
is there an addon for boss swing timers to max the use of shield block?
midnight burrow
223 crit vers shield or or a 223 anima emitter
jagged pier
what level is your shield atm?
midnight burrow
200
jagged pier
shield
lavish oracle
Yep, Shield for sure
midnight burrow
for what its worth, also have the big haste mastery ring
jagged pier
shield
strong forum
is there an addon for boss swing timers to max the use of shield block?
Not that I know off
Or that anybody uses it
Most mobs swing timer is like somewhere around 1.2-1.6 seconds
Smth like that
Only niche cases are slower or faster
fierce tendon
get a lock to curse of weakness the boss and its longer :P
strong forum
Yup
fierce tendon
too many locks don't know about that
which is fair because they brought a lot of old abilities back from the dead
undone jacinth
rogue numbing poison too
jagged pier
is there an addon for boss swing timers to max the use of shield block?
you in no need have to minmax this much
strong forum
Literally pinned a message in officer chat just now to remind myself.
uneven mason
TFW they gave warlocks oldschool thunderclap debuff
fierce tendon
Lmao
lavish oracle
Curse of tongues was doing work when I was running with one the other day in a spires
fierce tendon
tongues is pog if ur doing council on frieda, few other cast bosses as well
makes the kick rotation nice and easy
undone jacinth
you in no need have to minmax this much
defo a classic player
jagged pier
probably, but still swing times for yourself i can under stand some what
not boss swing timers
undone jacinth
its also the kind of thing that ppl say when they are messing up a bunch of other basic stuff to begin with
no offense to that guy
smoky saffron
id just rather not waste 2 secs of block on a just missed auto
steel mauve
i usually just memorize bosses swinging and can play around that, but youve never really needed boss swing timers
hallow phoenix
Quartz might be able to?
chilly brook
id just rather not waste 2 secs of block on a just missed auto
The only way you do that is if a mechanic is about to happen
steel mauve
its a waste of time/resources/screen space to do so
chilly brook
Which DBM already tells you about
hallow phoenix
Do boss swing timers still speed up when they parry? Like when a dps gets parried
jagged pier
id just rather not waste 2 secs of block on a just missed auto
the only time you would do that is if you cast it while the boss is casting somthing
chilly brook
Not afaik @hallow phoenix
steel mauve
missing 2 seconds of a shield block wasting it will really have little to no effect on your performance
chilly brook
Most bosses dont parry anyways
steel mauve
no, parry swings hasnt been a thing since wrath
hallow phoenix
Raid ones
hallow phoenix
Was frost tank dw even back then?
chilly brook
Yep
steel mauve
yes, when they first came out dw tanking was a thing, and it doubled the chance of parries which in turn parry haste fucked em up
chilly brook
If they kept frost as the tank spec
hallow phoenix
Frost shoulda stayed the tank spec
hallow phoenix
All that bonus armor they had mmm
chilly brook
Blood literally just doesn't work with the design philosophy of blizz
hallow phoenix
It's always gonna be bad or be OP
chilly brook
Well fundamentally the idea of no mitigation and just having tons of HP and you basically heal it back when you get chunked doesn't work with the design philosophy of current wow
Because difficulty scales which basically means at a point they will get clapped
Obviously all tanks get clapped at a certain point
fast ruin
should i go with a 20 ilvl increase on my trinket (blood-spattered scale), 10 ilvl increase on my shield, or 7 ilvl increase on my belt (haste/crit -> verse/haste) ?
chilly brook
But they run into issues far sooner
chilly brook
should i go with a 20 ilvl increase on my trinket (blood-spattered scale), 10 il...
What's your current shield
fast ruin
200 haste/crit
chilly brook
And your trinkets?
fast ruin
207 stone legion and 200 blood-spattereed scale
lavish oracle
Big scale is nice, but probably shield
hallow phoenix
Shieldddd
chilly brook
I swear
If I open my vault
And I get another scale
I'm gonna delete my character
lavish oracle
I got big legs but I want a Shield so bad
fast ruin
ive gotten scale 3 times now
chilly brook
I'd love a shield
But I need a chest
I've had scale twice so far
So wouldn't be surprised for a third in a row
lavish oracle
These are some first world problems
chilly brook
And itll probably be in my 226 slot
lavish oracle
I guess I can't complain, I've gotten a weapon 3 times in a row
chilly brook
These are some first world problems
Yea so first world I'm still stuck with a 184 chest piece
torpid granite
ill take it
fallow mortar
just simmed and forgot to add to weapon enchant to the weapon I could have gotten from the vault and now it is simming 90 dps higher than the pants I took..... fucking oof
jagged pier
Yea so first world I'm still stuck with a 184 chest piece
just pvp for 200 chest piece
hallow phoenix
Weapon wouldve been better defensively as well, most likely
fallow mortar
Weapon wouldve been better defensively as well, most likely
how you fugure?
hallow phoenix
IP scales with weapon dps
fallow mortar
ah, fuck
meager otter
modern brook
:F:
meager otter
There’s always next week
wheat sleet
RIP
woven kiln
any US people got the mount yet?
nimble drift
What's so special about twisting corridors
Isnt just torghast but without the soul ash and longer
jagged pier
mount and transmog
nimble drift
I thought people hated that shit
woven kiln
yeah I'm hoping it will be mage tower hard
modern brook
What's so special about twisting corridors
Its stans' last chance to hope torghast wont be a giant waste of time
jagged pier
well its not like mage tower
woven kiln
would be nice for the mount to mean something
chilly brook
any US people got the mount yet?
Idk but it's a lot of time to get it
jagged pier
yer its 18x8
nimble drift
So sanguine quaking
chilly brook
It's a lot of floors to complete
nimble drift
Sounds easy
uneven mason
TOrghast will have to wait
modern brook
Snoreghast will be there next week anyways
nimble drift
Time to get in all my 12s
modern brook
aim higher young prince
nimble drift
🤞
chilly brook
Its stans' last chance to hope torghast wont be a giant waste of time
I love torghast thank you
modern brook
Torghast is the guy that brings his guitar to a camping trip but he only knows the opening chords to wonderwall
woven kiln
there are some parts of torghast that aren't that bad. I like it when it's over and I can leave
chilly brook
woven kiln
LOL
woven kiln
the bad singing is the laggy fog
nimble drift
I run torghast with a boomie and fire mage friend. It's fun just steamrolling it
modern brook
Warrior benefits from having REALLY fun powers
nimble drift
I enjoy when the difficulty comes from anything that isnt just high boss health
modern brook
infinite execute is very funny
jagged pier
would have liked the first version of torghast not gunna lie
chilly brook
Just make fun powers for everyone else 4head
modern brook
Its blizzard
chilly brook
Dunno haven't opened it yet
modern brook
only ~ 12/36 specs are allowed to have fun at any given time
chilly brook
Haven't logged in
nimble drift
Same
jagged pier
i get mine tomorrow
modern brook
the remaining 24 need to echo bring the player and hope its still true
chilly brook
only ~ 12/36 specs are allowed to have fun at any given time
Why not just say 1/3rd
chilly brook
nimble drift
Are prot still considered bottom tier?
Idk I feel like I never see brewmasters in any raids I'm in, but I see plenty of other prot
woven kiln
my vault luck has been insane. week 1: 223 main hand. Week 2 226 offhand
chilly brook
Opened icy vein's class list and everything
Why not just (3x10)+4+2
modern brook
refering to ur shield as an offhand is blasphemous tbh
woven kiln
yeah prot are considered bottom still
nimble drift
my vault luck has been insane. week 1: 223 main hand. Week 2 226 offhand
I'm praying for a 220 MH this week from my vault
modern brook
Why not just (3x10)+4+2
honestly i did 3x12 and then said "oh right druid and dh" then counted, forgetting that the +- evens out
nimble drift
I need it bad
chilly brook
Where my gladiator spec at
uneven mason
Change Fury to a healing spec where you get mad at people for being hurt like a bad father
chilly brook
They cant even get arms right
I think you mean fury
modern brook
Nah
chilly brook
It's even worse than arms isn't it
uneven mason
and our 4th can be a utility spec that just makes everyone else feel better because its so bad.
modern brook
But its tuned well better than fury
modern brook
NGL
uneven mason
by any stretch in PVE
chilly brook
It's only tuned well in pvp
modern brook
no clue where warriors fall on the overall charts
chilly brook
Where you execute and clap people
chilly brook
Bottom middle for arms
modern brook
^ that was my general understanding
chilly brook
Like bad
modern brook
the point is that ppl play arms because they have to cause fury is garbo
chilly brook
Worse than DH
sterile moss
Does Fury still have the option of equipping two 1Hs or two 2Hs?
chilly brook
Yes
modern brook
not to say arms doesnt have some stans
sweet summit
yeah ok arms is like bottom 5 too
silver trout
both are bad atm
sweet summit
but ap buff 
chilly brook
Bad bad bad
modern brook
Aight My point stands though
modern brook
But its tuned ~~well~~ better than fury
see i even fixed it
chilly brook
Time to run around as a tree boi after today
uneven mason
Class balance visual puzzle whats wrong here?
chilly brook
Time to find out what I got
chilly brook
I'm scared
novel willow
or this
uneven mason
Could it be the grey parse warlock is #1? No..thats totally logical, green parse DK in the top 3, what we have here is the issue that someone let a damn FERAL DRUID INTO THE RAID
sharp void
Shoulders obviously
uneven mason
Except shoulders is The wall?
chilly brook
Could it be the grey parse warlock is #1? No..thats totally logical, green parse...
Sure but then you gotta explain why the Feral is #2
uneven mason
👏
novel willow
mainly do m+ so using the hands @uneven mason
novel willow
I thought the trinket waas super good is why i wasn't sure, using the 203 version
sharp void
Figured since u considered the shoulders a choice
modern brook
@chilly brook that is almost 90 ilvls higher than mine
mighty valley
arena skirmish week... time to choose between my two excellent pvp choices, fury and prot
nimble drift
Okay so lightless force or celestial guidance?
digital nova
lightless is what I'm running
nimble drift
its what i had on my 200 axe
mighty valley
afaik it's lightless force if you do any amount of aoe
modern brook
Ive seen ppl take CG with the gold stat in mind
lilac sleet
I picked up a 220 shield this morning as well, feelsgood
uneven mason
I haven't even been given the opportunity
but i should focus on my DPS spec ><
since thats normally what I do in raid
outer solstice
@nimble drift that PVP trinket is quite amazing
nimble drift
Yeah but I have been using a 200ilvl MH for a long time
outer solstice
oh well I sit on a 184 xD
but gonna buy conquest one 220 after reset ^^
finally (unless I get lucky)
outer solstice
oof
signal plover
i mean the heal is almost a non factor in prog cuz shield is smol but i think i agree
outer solstice
might be good for huntsman 😛
signal plover
i have a 207 and it's aight
chilly brook
Griff, so jealous
Still jealous?
nimble drift
in every dungeon
sweet summit
thats a terrible lego 😔
astral crystal
anyone else unable to complete Succumbing to Pride?
astral crystal
kyrian renown 21 quest chain
modern brook
SUCCumbing
astral crystal
😫
uneven mason
Still jealous?
I tried to delete it so many times
shut summit
yea @astral crystal join a party and hope u get the tag
outer solstice
AM + wall = fun
uneven mason
yeah,.... deathmaker or signet for fury
Best legendary power for Fury is "Respec Arms"
sweet summit
mythic probably bolster
outer solstice
@uneven mason or prot 😛
uneven mason
if only I could get my tank spot perma
sick sentinel
what if any class utility can be brought to lower keys like up to 9
outer solstice
@sweet summit well depends on the fight I'd say, shriekwing e.g. works quite well without huntsman
sweet summit
true
astral crystal
yea <@!202574933979561986> join a party and hope u get the tag
yeah jsut finished it, ridic spawn times
outer solstice
and I like AM for huntsman as well, especially for barghast
but for huntsman bolster is a legitimate option I'd say as you have near no downtime besides the casts the bosses/bears do
sick sentinel
always stuck with bolster after i learned of 15 seconds 100% block
outer solstice
yeah but 1 minute CD SW is a thing
uneven mason
if you have TW and AM + the conduit its really nice.
outer solstice
yeah I love it
deft bridge
which conduit?
outer solstice
stalwart guardian
@sterile moss depends heavily on your DPS, we had like 3-4 but we keep all CDs to overpower barghast
deft bridge
isnt the one that buffs ignore pain better most of the time?
sterile moss
because the last pug I did it with, it was lasting 4 rips. Without anger management or the conduit, I could wall the first and last
outer solstice
I think the lowest CD I got with all of that (without timewarp) was about 1:08
deft bridge
I think the lowest CD I got with all of that (without timewarp) was about 1:08
that does sound nice tho
astral crystal
PSA, if you're kyrian, don't do the maw before doing your 21 renown quest
outer solstice
@deft bridge the one that adds more absorb to it? I don't really like it, you either are very close to capping IP or to loose IP
sterile moss
the IP conduit seemed underwhelming to me, but not sure how the numbers would compare to others
I like the rage during LS one
deft bridge
<@!179661030593396736> the one that adds more absorb to it? I don't really like ...
true, if only we could use different conduits on pelagos
deft bridge
the one for shield wall for raids, ignore pain on mythics
since aoe damage is better there
outer solstice
M+ stuff hurts super hard I don#t think it's worth more in M+
for M+ I'd play offensive conduits though
like the last stand = more rage one
deft bridge
I am NF ^^
r u discriminating against my blue bois
nah but i mean like, same soulbind multiple conduit configs
uneven mason
But trash burns through IP so fast it will vanish instantly
mighty valley
the IP conduit doesn't seem great most of the time but the other options aren't exciting either
outer solstice
well stalwart guardian and unnverving focus are very nice
mighty valley
guess I'll try focus
outer solstice
watch out to not overcap 😛
deft bridge
spamming that execute button to pad dps as tank
mighty valley
it's like a sneaky dps conduit on an endurance slot
outer solstice
you can also pop it before pull
deft bridge
ngl i do that when all of the hurr durr dps die
mighty valley
especially for us rare venthyr prot warriors lmao
outer solstice
to increase avatar/charge
generator
and spam revenge to start a fight 😛
(or condem for you red bois)
outer solstice
it still does a lot
cloud echo
venthyr really bad with protect ?
outer solstice
it's playable
mighty valley
the dps is underrated for raiding
there are M+ weeks where i'm very jealous of kyrians tho
deft bridge
the dps is underrated for raiding
get those mm hunters that deal 2k dps kicked time
outer solstice
yeah I have like 2k DPS and a tad on ST for raid bosses
(without pots and not 100% padding)
mighty valley
i get legendary parses on bosses despite being relatively casual just because there are barely any venthyr prots
uneven mason
looks like condemn is back on the menu, boys
Never stopped hitting it
outer solstice
@mighty valley are the logs split per covenant?
mighty valley
nah, just per spec
uneven mason
NF is great in raid IMO
outer solstice
lol for artificer I'm #17 on NF warriors (about 130 for all warriors) xD xD
uneven mason
because most of the time targets are stationary
outer solstice
well in M+ you can control it as well if you're tanking
mighty valley
sanguine quaking is gonna be annoying, my guild is heavily melee
mighty valley
hey at least I can't accidentally spear packs into a sanguine pool
sturdy sable
woven kiln
sanguine quaking is gonna be annoying, my guild is heavily melee
It's a free week, whatever comp
uneven mason
yeah, didn't say it wasn't easy, but mobs sitting in one spot after the first dies is just not going to mesh lol
sterile moss
People keep listing numbers for parses.. is there some popular addon that gives percentiles or something?
ionic fern
mighty valley
You need someone in your raid logging the fights
Then they can slap them on the site
sterile moss
ah, so these numbers are produced after the encounter rather than live while playing?
strong forum
Yes
mighty valley
yeah, they're comparing to the rest of the provided logs
uneven mason
Imagine if thye added live parse responses like some sort of Dance Dance Revolution callout
"GREAT - GREAT - BAD BAD BAD, YOU'RE HORRIBLE BZZZZZ"
mighty valley
peloton for raiding
sterile moss
yeah, they're comparing to the rest of the provided logs
yeah I see
strong forum
They are a comparison, how many people you beat, if you have a 99 parse it means you meat 99% of all prot warriors in dps who have this fight logged
If you have a 50 parse, did more dps than 50% of all prot warriors ( or whatever spec you're playing)
sterile moss
Yeah I get what they are, just wasn't sure where the info was coming from
strong forum
It always compares same spec to same spec
uneven mason
and theres a column for weighted by ilvl
outer solstice
also keep in mind, DPS is not the all and end all for any ranks
uneven mason
make sure you take your rings off to get 100%
outer solstice
especially for tanks
strong forum
Did someone say ilvl parses of normal raid?
uneven mason
mmhmm
outer solstice
oh well been DPS back then 😛
strong forum
I already have my numbers, you can't take them away from me
You're 3 weeks too late for that
uneven mason
🤷♂️ we'll see!
strong forum
No legit, parses stay once a reset has passed
lilac sleet
For tanks, is it only taking dps into account? Not dmg taken or anything else?
outer solstice
probably some mess up on the orbs
strong forum
It was a 1shot
outer solstice
@lilac sleet only DPS
uneven mason
lol
outer solstice
even on hc, if your group is not 30 man big
uneven mason
we didn't even explain the fight cause raid time was running short
outer solstice
haha xD and then you run against denathrius
strong forum
Ye 4shot
uneven mason
2 shot Denathrius
strong forum
🤷
uneven mason
winged it
outer solstice
winging denathrius doesn't work if you haven't read up on it 😛
so wouldn't count it as winging it
strong forum
Then people sperged in p2 three times
uneven mason
but its like
strong forum
We yolod it
outer solstice
yeah generals doesn#t really need any read up on normal xD
uneven mason
"murder adds, get away from kabooms
mighty valley
i don't believe your worst parse is 69, the best parse
strong forum
And dodge red
It's factually my worst parse overall
On all bosses on all difficulties
outer solstice
and cleave the shit ouf of 2nd red bar
onyx geyser
hi all, which trinket should i pick to replace my darkmoon deck?
both seem underwhelming
strong forum
Decanter is good dmg
outer solstice
decanter is nice
pseudo raptor
What is a good ilvl to start running m0 ? Excluding group talent. Probably running mostly pugs.
strong forum
Mmh..
outer solstice
@pseudo raptor yes
strong forum
150?
outer solstice
should work
pseudo raptor
Thanks. I know that’s such a subjective question.
onyx geyser
thanks guys
outer solstice
we went in at around 160-165 first week because we somehow already had that gear xD
strong forum
But I guess 150 should do it for pugs
outer solstice
or was it 150-155 ?
uneven mason
140ish yeah was super easy to get, M0s are very doable at that range, just gotta follow mechanics
Like, standing in stupid will kill you at 140 in a m0
outer solstice
also helps learning boss mechanics for M+ 😛
outer solstice
what happened?
uneven mason
where he was spawning 2 abom every time he jumped up
outer solstice
oO *gasp
uneven mason
like, we'd catch him
with a hook
and then 3s later he'd jump back up
and spawn 2 abombs
pseudo raptor
Ouch.
outer solstice
that semms super bugged,... we only had half the trash from downstairs join us on stichflesh xD xD
randomly
uneven mason
imps, warlock imps
outer solstice
but that was 2nd week or so
uneven mason
We had the birds in DoS join us randomly mid Methuzala
❤️ stuff like that
was only a +5 tho
outer solstice
lol
uneven mason
so we were like 'uh ok"
native wharf
question. on the 3rd add of the huntsman fight, how are you getting it to move just one step? ill inch backwards but it takes 2 steps more often than just taking 1 step.
native wharf
heroic
outer solstice
I do sidesteps
native wharf
normal too
outer solstice
but watch out to not get hit in the back
on heroic and normal your raid shoudl also be able to just take the dmg all the time, constnatly resetting from maximum 2 stacks
no impowered sinseekers and such BS on hc
you have to watch out of
for
native wharf
well, they probably can but rl kinda gets upset lol. im telling him its very difficult to just move one step. ill give side stepping a go.
uneven mason
just keep moving
outer solstice
so how many stacks do they want you to tank?
uneven mason
if you let it build up its worse on HC
outer solstice
that's a bad tactic for hc
uneven mason
way worse
outer solstice
just get the stacks down and dance around the boss with your bear
uneven mason
waiting 6seconds and then moving will basically 1 shot your raid
No one stands and face tanks that guy on HC, not even monks 😛
outer solstice
and PS 😛
native wharf
im just trying to keep it at 2 stacks tbh. which should be easy in theory but the way he moves with me is just really awkward
outer solstice
just get it to 0
uneven mason
just keep moving
outer solstice
#easy
outer solstice
there is no reason to have additional stacks on him besides low raid HP
uneven mason
by just continually moving.
uneven mason
yeah
strong forum
around 4-5 stacks
uneven mason
can do that
native wharf
wait, you're telling me to move him constantly? doesnt he pulse aoe every step even at 0 stacks?
outer solstice
yeah there seem to be different tactics for it, we only stop for the sinseekers
uneven mason
he only pulses when he has a stack'
but he gains them quick
it'll be like every 2s
outer solstice
@native wharf only removing a stack pulses
outer solstice
yeah but once you're in P4 it's basically a win
@native wharf sounds more like your RL didn't look into it properly or read some outdated guide
native wharf
so this only becomes a mechanic to deal with in mythic then?
uneven mason
kinda
outer solstice
on hc it could be, if the raid is low
but tbh... the amount of heal you soak when he has high stacks won't fix the raid either
native wharf
interesting. tyvm for the help
uneven mason
If your raid is low going into that phase it means you screwed up on shades
almost no raid damage on HC/Normal
outer solstice
yeah only the measly dot of the sinseeker on 3 people if done correctly + the multishot
uneven mason
yeah
outer solstice
well
chilly brook
I guess I'm basically immune to physical damage in Torghast
outer solstice
you haven't seen my arms combo
with a 3 minute DbtS
on a 2 minute CD
parry all day
I hear sooo many complaints about thorghast but I think it's fun
(besides that stuipid idea of the permadot wing)
outer solstice
we'll see how they tune it
strong forum
I mean
outer solstice
well the tuning needsto be quite tight for most of us in the discord to feel a challenge I fear
strong forum
🍷
outer solstice
outer solstice
yeah fast forward 8 hours plz
outer solstice
F
oh well next week goes the same for me
I'm on my last week of 2020 vacation xD
outer solstice
yeah I'm going nuts at home
strong forum
2 weeks vacay is almost too long
outer solstice
.... I had 7 weeks
strong forum
Oof
outer solstice
didn't have a chance to take vac during most of 2020
strong forum
I had 3 weeks last year, that's 100% 1 week too long
And in these 2 weeks, the 2nd week was literally just sleeping 20hrs a day
Nothing to do
outer solstice
I bartered for 40 days of vacation, usually I take them pretty random when I have some downtime or just don't feel like working xD
but being cooped up at home working at home and everything makes things sooo much worse
strong forum
My work didn't change at all besides wearing a mask 10hrs a day
outer solstice
yeah ours didn't change much either, but it's a huge difference if you have the option to go to office and meet coworkers and customers
or even hold lectures in person,....
outer solstice
oh I like being a home office worker my office is like 100km away from my home
and yeah not becoming lazy is quite the challenge
I literally "go to work"
seperate room, different clothing
and that
strong forum
Yeah that helps
mellow patio
uneven mason
If I could work from home I"d probably focus better.
tepid barn
Been working from home long before this covid shit. Can confirm i am a lazy piece of garbage
outer solstice
lol what a pull xD just helped a friend on hungering normal xD had 7!!!! shield slams for the pull
in a row
what are the odds xD xD
uneven mason
I ❤️ when that happens
Although my pull is always mixed Condemn/SS
cause no ones getting aggro off of me
strong forum
I kinda don't cuz revenge
outer solstice
strong forum
outer solstice
and where is the odd necro-warrior?
jagged pier
uneven mason
I actually had one in a m0 I was healing on the shm
but we literally don't have a emoji for necrolords here
outer solstice
well for prot it's the least useless
uneven mason
I Mean
it surely is usless
a 4 second cast on Ignore pain
"And you thought 8.0 GCD IP was bad"
outer solstice
nah talking banner
buffing yoru groups DPS a tad
is less wasted on prot
than on arms/fury
uneven mason
I mean
you probably get more DPS out of just being Kyrian
and using the spear
THREE TIMES
before the banner is back up
Banner is a good ability TBH
pseudo raptor
I’m the odd necro warrior....
outer solstice
yeah it's still useless
uneven mason
if it had a 45s CD
pseudo raptor
I know I know.
uneven mason
Simping for Draka
pseudo raptor
I like being garbage okay.
uneven mason
Someone has too
pseudo raptor
That too.
uneven mason
She's too 🤘 for me.
pseudo raptor
She’s tougher than Durotan. That’s for sure.
And don’t even get me started on Thrall.
uneven mason
He probably became a flying smurf
uneven mason
She's like "TOOK MY BABY AWAY, THIS MAMA'S NOT DONE KILLING"
pseudo raptor
Lol
uneven mason
I hope we get to see a cut scene where Thrall actually travels to Maldraxxus and meets her
outer solstice
uneven mason
and she smacks the crap out of him for being such a simpering nitwit
pseudo raptor
He sorta met her in WoD and she trolled him.
outer solstice
who is not trolling thrall?
pseudo raptor
Yes and she’s a beast.
uneven mason
Know who is missing
Thura Saurfang
WTF isn't she in the story somewhere
*waits while everyone googles the name
outer solstice
btw is there a reason brutal vitality is listed as top endurance conduit in the IV guide?
pseudo raptor
Maybe they thought it’d be funny.
outer solstice
felt super underwhelming to me compared to Unneving focus and stalwart guardian
uneven mason
I mean, math wise
it is
just function it doesn't last long enough
mobs truck through IP super fast
outer solstice
so do bosses
uneven mason
possibly in higher ilvls
Or that math was done prior to them increasing boss damage
Like, council shocked me lastnight in HC
Nik hits frigging hard
outer solstice
yeah but once they don't eat through you that fast you coudl also pad more and revenge instead
heck yeah
uneven mason
3x as hard as the lunger guy
outer solstice
wait for sluggo xD
uneven mason
one boss meleeing for 4k
outer solstice
or the golems on generals hc
uneven mason
nik is sitting there just slapping my ass for 12s
woven trellis
what do u think of huntsman trinket guys
uneven mason
Its fun to try and kill DPS with it
outer solstice
which one is that?
woven trellis
bargast leach
uneven mason
the one where you share 25% Of your damage with someone
outer solstice
haven't seen it yet
uneven mason
(Hint, always try and kill the DH)
woven trellis
looks strong but dangerous
outer solstice
from reading I think intervene is stronger
muted pendant
is it just luck when a pug group kills the dealer in DoS because no one tells them what to do with the lightning?
outer solstice
well sounds like you shoudl use it on your pally while he sends you a sac
to make the sac stronger
he sists in his bubble anyways
ocean yoke
before i got a different upgrade i would just toss on the smartest dps who took the least damage
muted pendant
Ardenweald boss
outer solstice
@woven trellis yeah probably just use it with sac+bubble is safest
ohhh
tbh the chain-lightning is not that bad on the boss
muted pendant
it isnt but when the two melee dps keep it up and dont bring it to someone else
mighty valley
huntsman trinket seems like there might be some niche use where you avoid getting oneshot by giving damage to your offtank when you're currently tanking
but i haven't seen a time it's worth switching to yet
outer solstice
basically any situation you would use intervene on the other tank
so not very many
mighty valley
well it's sort of like giving intervene to your non-warrior cotank
except with less control
mighty valley
probably, it drops off after the damage cap anyway
outer solstice
oh well yeah
oO I had like 3 client patches in the last hours, what are they doing
anyway, good night and to all in EU good luck with your big chest
nimble drift
Okay
I'm getting key master this week
Went from 8-10s last week to already +2 12s
strong forum
huge
muted pendant
meanwhile I get more and more stupid pugs in +10 that make the whole group wipe at a boss or leave the group after someone dies the first time
inviting pugs you have to hit the "sweet spot": not too high io score and not too low. If it is too high they are the ones that leave fast if something small goes wrong
do you have a solid group @nimble drift?
mighty valley
i've managed to avoid pugs entirely so far
though getting to a point where comp matters and we can't just throw a random five of whoever's online at anything
everyone's saying this week's easy though so maybe I can get high
mighty valley
imagine if they do fortified/inspired
muted pendant
today it came to the point where I just had to alt+f4 WoW after the pug mess in DoS
dont say that too loud
mighty valley
DoS is funny, two pulls are some of the worst in the game, the rest is easy
but it has by far the tightest timer of any mythic
also no one had actually learned how the bosses worked by the time it mattered
muted pendant
yes, the two pulls are hell but if someone dies on 2nd pull its not the end of the key but then you have ppl hit the ejector seat
because they can
to punishment
no*
nimble drift
do you have a solid group <@117758787636428802>?
yeah ive been pugging raid and m+ since pre-patch, finally got into a great guild. Pushing mythic CN, #1 RBG group on our server, and we are gonna start selling mythics soon
strong forum
nice
muted pendant
that's great
unfortunately I'm too time constraint to find a good guild with a strict schedule since I'm working in a different time zone (-6hrs) for two more years and playing on EU servers
so I'm just playing with some friends that still play WoW in a Guild. We are just 6 ppl - if everyone is online at the same time
solar spear
any tips for second boss spires of ascension? the guy hurts
mighty valley
you just gotta space out the orb generators and hope your group is good at bullet hell
muted pendant
I put them tightly together and his recharge happens as far away as possible
mighty valley
hmm that sounds cool, if everyone moves smartly pre-recharge
the dot he puts on people is a bleed right? so kyrians can clear it, and a paladin can bop one if you've got one
solar spear
that sounds like a good idea thanks. rip not being kyrian though
mighty valley
we kept doing it with 4 melee + 1 healer and the healer just ate it every time, haha
tardy parcel
this m+ week gonna be as easy as it looks on paper?
strong forum
ye if your ranged dont int quaking or CC stuff inside sanguine
should be the easiest week yet
tardy parcel
nut
mighty valley
huh, I've been underrating the WW power
although i just get served up the condemn powers every run
radiant kraken
Hey everyone, I'm having a tough time choosing from my vault. My choice is between a 223 weapon (current is 200) and a 216 shield (current is 197). My gut tells me that the shield is probably the better pick, but with ilvl being king I'm not sure. Any advice?
chilly brook
shield
radiant kraken
Thank you!