UF is a dead talent
#protection
chilly brook
strong forum
I would prefer sire trinket
undone jacinth
your guild wants u to run Prot off spec exclusively for m+ wut
chilly brook
Forget it exists
steep schooner
I figured as much just seeing a lot of what looked like meme builds
Appreciate the quick answers
chilly brook
latent steppe
Guys i "really" enjoyed this class and the way it tanks. It's a destroyer juggernaut and i love it. But there's a problem. I dont want to get involed with tanking in the raids since i find it boring. I want to play arms warrior in raids and probably spam m+'s as a prot. Have a great trouble with picking a covenant. Is venthyr prot warrior pepega?
Currently im Kyrian, but imagining that as a kyrian arms warrior... its a crap for patchwerk
ionic fern
It's definitely behind Kyrian/NF in m+, but Venthyr won't stop you from doing M+ as prot.
astral crystal
karen has the added benefit of being good in pvp for arms if you do that at all
uneven mason
She just bitches until the manager fires all of the trash
jagged pier
she has a hot line to Ion as he is head manager
uneven mason
what do we need to be better at?
rough egret
wdym we good
balmy jungle
I honestly don't even know how warrior actually is bad
unless you're doing +20 keys or whatever
I'm fine in my peasant 10-13 keys right now
uneven mason
even then, its possible
ionic fern
Most likely your own gameplay.
jagged pier
then your spamming to much
ionic fern
๐ค
uneven mason
Sounds like a personal problem, have you tried to Bruce Banner School of Anger Management?
uneven mason
"I'm always angry"
jagged pier
I dunno are we?
ionic fern
The majority is still physical damage.
balmy jungle
my anger bar also tends to be full ๐
uneven mason
Smells like someone hasn't adjusted to revenge ont having a CD
ionic fern
6kDPS overall?
jagged pier
6k dps overall you mythic geared or somthing?
balmy jungle
on arms I usually do 4-5k overall in 10ish keys
rough egret
im doing 10-12k on some pulls (aoe)
balmy jungle
in 205 average ilvl venthir
jagged pier
eh?
ionic fern
We are not angry..i'm trying to understand what's troubling you.
jagged pier
^^
balmy jungle
nah I just genuinely don't understand why people complain about prot so much
uneven mason
Paladin has worse mitigation, but trucks every minute when CDs are up.
Warrior is a ๐งฑ , but trucks every minute when you play the spec correctly.
Math checks out.
ionic fern
In AoE packs you can easily do 10k+ DPS as prot.
OVerall DPS varies on dungeon/pulls but 2.5k-3k seems to be the "average".
balmy jungle
(if they are not cutting edge mythic raiders or doing astronomically high keys)
rough egret
๐ yayy im average
runic sphinx
Anyone know offhand is the night fea soulshift form can still block or if it takes extra dmg. Was thinking about if i used to escape boss abilitys will i take extra dmg if they hit me while running back in
uneven mason
Prot warrior was used in the world first kill, not sure how someone can be like "Whys it so bad?!"
balmy jungle
I truly think it's probably a sleeper
jagged pier
I dont understand the 6k comment is that in aoe st overall?
balmy jungle
screw those demon huntards
uneven mason
Yes, because we're ass at kiting
jagged pier
and that makes us bad because?
uneven mason
Bruvh
arctic whale
ass at kiting?
balmy jungle
how is warrior ass at kiting when you have kyrian spear thingy and mobility out of your wazoo?
uneven mason
Compared to a DH
arctic whale
compared to literally only DH
astral crystal
sure we don't have demon hunter tier kiting, but you still have leap+intercept+spear and group utility, just depends how coordinated your group is too
rough egret
cus you dont do dmg when kite
uneven mason
Try playing the spec Raz
ionic fern
Are you doing +20 keys?
balmy jungle
just go tank stuff @still rock and see if you like it ๐
astral crystal
by group utility i mean what your group brings
uneven mason
Yeah its basically Pal/DH can do dmg while running away
and have immunities
has 0 to do with their "Tankability"
arctic whale
dude
astral crystal
if youre doing keys where you're living life or death scenarios constantly i'm guessing you have a hunter in the group
ionic fern
We are not on the edge....
arctic whale
you came in here telling an obvious lie
balmy jungle
I might be an outlier, but I'm playing prot with the mark of ancient kings legendary
uneven mason
So, answering question - no news on warriors being fixed.
uneven mason
Because we're a very solid spec
Checking the extreme outliers for "Performance" is a bad idea.
jagged pier
he said hes rage starved, so i guess spams ip to much
balmy jungle
Because we're a very solid spec
word man, people value the raider.io circlejerk way too much these days
jagged pier
or running AM and UF so no rage gen
balmy jungle
most of tanking in m+ is knowing the routes and what your healer can do anyway
astral crystal
lol there is no fix necessary, man, just learn to play your class better and make your group use their abilities
balmy jungle
well: early on nobody using warrior, people check raider io, people think warrior bad, less warriors on there, etc.
uneven mason
Because the extreme keys have absolutely nothing to do with spec/class balance.
ionic fern
Top 100 R.io shows you all the people pushing top keys - they will obviously play the fotm class regardless what it is to min-max.
This does not mean that the other tanks are bad.
You are probably not doing +20 keys so the "top 100" is literally irrelevant for you.
violet tundra
If you're checking the top 100 M+ runs then you're always going to get very skewed result, I assume warrior/monk/BDK are all sub 5% representation in that result set, with 75% DH, and then a few paladin/druids?
jagged pier
i mean you can get boosted in all these senarios to boost your score just saing
violet tundra
Super super high end M+ is always going to be class stacked as hell
arctic whale
the circlejerk where if there is one best spec on raider.io, everyone goes that spec and then the other specs become even more underrepresented
uneven mason
the circlejerk where if there is one best spec on raider.io, everyone goes that ...
Sample bias
balmy jungle
exactly that.
jagged pier
the circlejerk where if there is one best spec on raider.io, everyone goes that ...
dont be silly we arent played because spec is bad 
uneven mason
Right
balmy jungle
completely unplayable yeah
ionic fern
Aight, stop being sarcastic.
balmy jungle
because we're all top 100 m+ people right?
jagged pier
okay okay ill stop
ionic fern
What key levels are you tanking?
strong forum
Well... Its just facts
jagged pier
^^
uneven mason
So unless you're literally doing +20 keys yourself Raz
ionic fern
It's not "massive egos". When you flant in here stating that protection is bad because everyone is playing VDH that's just...wrong.
uneven mason
You'll be fine using prot war up into +15 at least
strong forum
And youre being condescending because it doesn't fit your narrative
Like what do you expect
balmy jungle
I also don't think that many people in here are top 1000 either, also not counting myself obv ๐
uneven mason
Nom have i ever told you how much I โค๏ธ your Demon Hunter haircut in your pic
strong forum
Kek
violet tundra
Sense did actually have a good timed Plaguefall 17 video on youtube last week, that was impressive shit
ionic fern
That's because it has not looked bad for us since...alpha?
uneven mason
Sense is always impressive when on warrior.
jagged pier
Sense did actually have a good timed Plaguefall 17 video on youtube last week, t...
yer but sense is god
strong forum
From what I read Raz, you came in here and said that you're always rage starved and that warri is way worse off than others
ionic fern
Not really.
balmy jungle
I just honestly think that class matters a lot less than coordination and communication in m+
balmy jungle
sure if you pick fotm op boi you need to do less of that probably, but that doesn't mean the others don't work
uneven mason
From what I read Raz, you came in here and said that you're always rage starved ...
Then we told him its probably how he's playing
ionic fern
I mean
You have literally not asked
For help.
ALl you said was that Protection is bad.
What do you want help with?
uneven mason
I mean, it is.
jagged pier
I mean ive literally asked you how you keep getting rage starved
but you wont respond ๐ฆ
rough egret
keep feeding the troll
uneven mason
I mean ive literally asked you how you keep getting rage starved
โ๏ธ
ionic fern
Same.
jagged pier
same
balmy jungle
guess we all enjoy butts โค๏ธ
arctic whale
I mean I logged on pala and im doing 6k dps with 200 ilvl
sweet summit
The fuck did i tune into...
arctic whale
I'm still taking this very seriously tbh
jagged pier
> I mean I logged on pala and im doing 6k dps with 200 ilvl
yer but 6k in what secanrio?
uneven mason
6k is kinda "eh" for 200ilvl on a pal TBH
jagged pier
yer but he didnt say in what
ionic fern
Let you calm down a bit @still rock . If you want to discuss Protection Warrior i'm fine with it. If you just want to stir trouble in here i'm not fine with it.
You'll be unmuted later.
balmy jungle
I'm just jealous of paladin's 500 ways to remove necrotic stacks
uneven mason
Now what I am supposed to do for entertainment Mwahi (โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
Necrotic was omega fine
ionic fern
ANd you guys should stop feeding into it.
arctic whale
logged into prot pala, put down ashen hallow on training dummies and did 6k dps. why war have to be so bad
strong forum
Went up to 40~ stacks regularly
ionic fern
Necrotic is not a issue indeed.
Kyrian / Dwarf.
jagged pier
Necrotic was omega fine
for organized groups likes yours maybe
ionic fern
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strong forum
Jakey...
jagged pier
but nah its not much issue
strong forum
Did you see my group...
uneven mason
You know there are alchemy pots that remove necrotic
strong forum
I don't think that's organized
violet tundra
Dwarf? Pff. Dark Iron Dwarf is the real way.
jagged pier
they are better than my pugs XD
uneven mason
My warrior from BFA is stilla DiD
jagged pier
fucking body pulling mobs when im at 40+ stacks kiting
violet tundra
Im trying to convert my entire guild to DI, its not working
uneven mason
My favorite is boomkins
and moonfiring the next pull
cause they think you'll finish the key faster
"Yes, lets wipe"
"Will save us time"
strong forum
Our boomy quit yesterday, looking for a new one 1.3k+ ๐คญ
jagged pier
ah yes the classic havent dropped my stacks as we didnt leave combat
i hear Mwahi has a horde druid 
strong forum
Hohi
uneven mason
I just waited the 6seconds until I reengaged
sweet summit
jagged pier
BIS Boomy
ionic fern
Jeah.
Carried by Ergas Condemn spam.
uneven mason
Mwahi is gonna be like "Did ya'll see how I F**KED Nom's keys! HAHAHAHHA"
ionic fern
๐
sweet summit
strong forum
Huge
spare oracle
lol what did i wake up to
jagged pier
wish i could condemn spam ๐ฆ
ionic fern
If i can 2 chest a +4 there's nothing stopping me from 2 chesting a +15
jagged pier
could lvl one of my other 3 warriors but cba
strong forum
Ez ๐
spare oracle
just execute spam and blame your healer if you die ๐
jagged pier
i did that on hungering yesterday
spare oracle
xD
jagged pier
we killed the boss though so execute worked just saying
ionic fern
I always tell my healers "When the enemy is below 20% HP i'm really squishy".
strong forum
Man I love rio bugging out
jagged pier
Vanguard carries its all good
uneven mason
And at level 50 he shall remain forever.
jagged pier
F
uneven mason
Rite
ionic fern
I've been trying to time a 13 or higher NW for ages now...and it's impossible with PuGs apparently.
๐ฆ
spare oracle
i would go alliance just to make one of those
uneven mason
this week?
ionic fern
Any week.
uneven mason
NW is cancer
especially this week
MAYBE We'll have not ass affixes next week.
"today"
jagged pier
i tried it this week, tanked the boss by the stairs it decided to spawn a mage on the other side of the boss room
good job bliz
ionic fern
Jeah, idk..it's just..horrible to pug.
THe worst dungeon to pug by far.
Atleast in my experience.
jagged pier
i wish they kept that boss like it was in beta tbh put it in a corner the adds spawn close
and im having worse time with SD
apprently u can skip mobs before the first boss
without a shroud
silk edge
next week is mega push week i think
ionic fern
Yes.
jagged pier
or invis pots
ionic fern
SD isn't as bad , just get prideful right before 2nd boss.
silk edge
sanguin and volacnic i think
sweet summit
Sanguine quaking afaik
spare oracle
did my first 11 yesterday on hoa and second boss destroyed us lol even had the spawning mobs glich and spawn before boss was active
silk edge
yes i got the name wrong :p
silk edge
about SD
spare oracle
any tips for grouping? only one ive found so far is just dont dps untill they get close lol
silk edge
if you time pride before 2nd boss
where do you get more adds for count ? because the pack right after the boss on the wing is next to impossible
with the ghouls
run all the way back to do easier pack ?
strong forum
Before 1st boss
You pull more
Or between 1st and 2nd boss
You plan your route accordingly
arctic whale
any tips for grouping? only one ive found so far is just dont dps untill they ge...
I tank him on one side, then either our dk slappy hands, or if that's on cd, we have ranged interrupts + a ST grip. After 2 waves you want to swap to the other side so you're not in the middle of blood pools
silk edge
k i'll try to make a better route for next tyranical week
sick sentinel
crafted rank 2 TL past 12 hours, got 1100 and change SA
spare oracle
I tank him on one side, then either our dk slappy hands, or if that's on cd, we ...
hmm ill have to try that, we attempted corner but it was a mess, only had 1 hunter for ranged though running another warr and rogue
steady spruce
You don't need to pull more on sd but less
silk edge
yea that's the thing
steady spruce
Skip one or 2 pack and you should get the 60% pride for 2nd
silk edge
but if you do
ionic fern
You need a invis pot.
sick sentinel
de otherside is a dugeon that has always given me problems, but its fairly easy
sick sentinel
i never want to run plague fall mythic 14/15 ever
steady spruce
Sure you need 69%(nice) before jumping in 3rd boss room
spare oracle
i very much dislike other side for timing lol
silk edge
yea
ionic fern
There's a pack with 3 of them in there.
Just grab aggro.
ANd stun/kite out.
They die fast.
sick sentinel
i'm outright refusing to do NW right now because im bad at pulling the first boss trash
steady spruce
Mwahi do you know if wecan skip the miniboss in sd ? There is a door behind ร nev i think we need to kill him before it opens
sick sentinel
never pull enough or too much to fight boss, tons of casters and huge packs....
silk edge
did it this week
sick sentinel
i wonder what kinda crap they thow at us for keys i know fort
ionic fern
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Done.
shrewd steeple
how do you guys handle combustion burst and boomi burst aggro wise. if i dont have spear up its pretty much gg?
jagged pier
^^
shrewd steeple
how do i reset the ST taunt?
ionic fern
In general if you get in there before they start bursting you will be fine.
Heroic Leap resets taunt CD.
shrewd steeple
oh wow ;D ok ty
sick sentinel
i much prefer to keep giga taunt for when it really needs to be used
large packs or packs where i just know i will need to keep aggro
hold time out
heroic leap resets our taunt button?
jagged pier
yus
sick sentinel
since when, i was not aware
exotic pewter
Since at least 2 xpacs
sick sentinel
oh okay wtf
sick sentinel
i been playing since BFA launch and never once used leap taunt on purpose
and if i did do it on purpose, i rememberd for like a day or week and forgot completely again
strong forum
It's easy to miss
There's more people out there still thinking you only use free revenge procs
Which is way worse
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
That's 1 big ass pull ngl
honest plinth
and if i did do it on purpose, i rememberd for like a day or week and forgot com...
im doing it all the time haha.
lapis wraith
I haven't had a chance to play prot yet, how does it feel in keys 10+?
honest plinth
nice
strong forum
Depends on your individual skill and your group
But it's pretty comfy for me
No issues in 14-16s
lapis wraith
So if you're bad you probably won't like it compared to when it had thunderclap spam? Lol
strong forum
If you're bad, you're not gonna like prot yes
south yarrow
obsidian moth
What about slowing mobs and kiting with prot war ? is there a covenant that help with that
honest plinth
kyrian ofc
strong forum
I mean... Just walk away, you have shockwave and heroic leap
strong forum
And your group can also slow
honest plinth
also dont fear mobs on last boss in ToP hahaha
strong forum
You can intervene away aswell
jagged pier
i even used menace this week with the fear conduit, pretty good if used correctly
jagged pier
if u bonk them into a wall
it pretty good
and it takes a sec for fear to break with the conduit
not bad for necro imo
obsidian moth
so kyrian best ?
jagged pier
but not great for anything else
sick sentinel
there are tricks you can do with intervene to get maximum time and distance out of it
obsidian moth
I love that discord ๐
sick sentinel
like use it while moving on someone moving fast, but not fast enough to be out of range of u
then u will follow for 0.5 - 1 second longer
runic sphinx
Anyone here night fea. I have a question
exotic pewter
You have shockwave, fear shout and harmstring to cc and kite
Also leap and intervene to gain space
honest plinth
you rly need hamstring to kite? i dont think so
exotic pewter
Im not saying youbneed to
obsidian moth
hamstring is pvp like spell
undone jacinth
ppl have hamstring on their bars?
kindred warren
runic sphinx
Do you take any extra dmg while in soulshift form? Dont know if i should be using it to kite or dodge stuff.
strong forum
its not on my bars
That's why you have it on your charge macro ๐
jagged pier
That's why you have it on your charge macro ๐
not wasting my rage on it for prot anyway
strong forum
I'm not using it either
jagged pier
i have it and that macro on arms
jagged pier
Do you take any extra dmg while in soulshift form? Dont know if i should be usi...
well if your kiting you wont be getting hit so doesnt matter ither way
strong forum
Every now and again
honest plinth
ww...cought
jagged pier
Do you take any extra dmg while in soulshift form? Dont know if i should be usi...
I think you dont as far as im aware and you can still use your spells in in cant you so cant see why you could use it to dodge stuff ither
jagged pier
it is the dream
runic sphinx
@jagged pier. I was thinking of in raid during hubgering fight 2 use it to soak orbs
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025>. I was thinking of in raid during hubgering fight 2 use it...
i mean its not an immune
so youll still be knocked back
you can soak one with SR
like we have our immunes soak them so cant say, but give it a go worst thing youll die and youll know not to do it again
sick sentinel
in real vanilla you would use stun or freeze on human mobs and everyone would hide behind corner to pull casters
humaniod mobs in particular would run away and aggro another pack which would wipe you
and the actual enrage timer for the dungeon was your group was so bad, trash would respawn and everyone would give up and leave
restive flax
i even used menace this week with the fear conduit, pretty good if used correctl...
I enjoy Menace with the Cacophanous Voice a lot. Gives you some space when you need it to drop stacks
strong forum
and the actual enrage timer for the dungeon was your group was so bad, trash wou...
Yo facts
dry walrus
has anyone tried messing around with shieldwall conduit/talent/thewall?
jagged pier
yer you can get it down to about 1 min
restive flax
yup, its pretty damn good
while Bolster is still the go to talent if you struggle with content
for me personally
dry walrus
i have the 20k absorb trinket so i think i will keep bolster for now
so it lines up with last stand cd
restive flax
I like The Wall more as it gives you insane amounts of rage overall
oh you mean between bolster and AM?
dry walrus
yea
jagged pier
thunderlords should give you more no? as it like 8 extra ss you need to match the rage of one demo
its the consistancy of the rage thats good
restive flax
thunderlords should give you more no? as it like 8 extra ss you need to match th...
Over the entire fight maybe yeah. But I like the on demand rage you get from shield slam
I find it easier to use
jagged pier
should always use it
restive flax
no matter the lego
dry walrus
yea i tried punish but it seems so bad
restive flax
I mean it works... ish
dry walrus
if the stacks reset it would be good i think
restive flax
But having devastate is a waste of a button
steel mauve
Over the entire fight maybe yeah. But I like the on demand rage you get from shi...
technically the on demand rage would be from demo shout, shield slam is smoother rage gen with the wall
restive flax
I mean.... yes and no I guess? You have more on demand rage on Shield Slam instead off Demo Shout
Which I personally prefer
But I see what you mean yeah
jagged pier
i think your getting on demand and consistant mixed up
steel mauve
demo shout is on demand burst rage gen with bv, shield slam with the wall is less on demand but it is smoother rage gen
steel mauve
on demand is coupled with a huge ammount of some thing with one button click
restive flax
I guess so
steel mauve
thats what on demand means
restive flax
discussing what something means / what people use something for is a can of worms I dont want to open. Your way (probably most people) of calling it makes more sense though
steel mauve
but the 2 lego's are preference, in case of m+, thunderlords is usually better for lower keys/keys for players who dont optimally use/need shield wall, the higher the content/the more need of shield wall, the wall becomes stronger, given that you actually use shield wall and dont just sit on it
dry walrus
is there something im doing wrong if i have downtime in rotation where ive got nothing i can press? especially in boss fights this week
just not lining rage generators up correctly or?
steel mauve
usually
youll have down time with devestator, but not a lot, 1-2 seconds every so often
restive flax
It just happens sometimes
jagged pier
there will always sometime be some downtime
dry walrus
youll have down time with devestator, but not a lot, 1-2 seconds every so often
yes this exactly
steel mauve
but with the amount of CD's we have on the gcd you shouldnt have a ton of down time
restive flax
this will become less and less the more haste you get though
restive flax
yup
dry walrus
ok thnx
restive flax
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lilac hawk
judgement of the arbiter is totally worthless fรถr prot? or does it give decent boost to st?
strong forum
Uuuh it's good dps, but 0 defensive value
sweet summit
Its our best ST dps lego
lilac hawk
sweet, might get it then, doesnt tank that much and could use a ring that works since signet doesnt work that well for prot ๐
restive flax
Is it possible that warcraftlogs is kinda bugged when it comes to resources?
sweet summit
Wdym
manic halo
Just waiting on that vault boys
https://c.tenor.com/HVjdqlVnHEkAAAAM/rub-hands.gif
restive flax
A guildie of mine had 213 rage gen during Denthrius....
sweet summit
No those are usually correct
sweet summit
Sure
restive flax
steel mauve
your other arms warrior cast skullsplitter, the 200 rage onme didnt
restive flax
so this only counts rage gained from abilities? or what
steel mauve
ya, it noly counts abilities
restive flax
ah okay
steel mauve
that and the 1k rage gained warrior charged 17 more times
restive flax
which... makes sense in the denathrius fight
would it be too much to ask if someone could look at my damage intake during that fight aswell? Because I feel like got shat on a lot in that fight
sweet summit
Arms should chargeweave on all fights except for like sludge if youre chained
strong forum
Denathrius does slap a bit, compared to other bosses
modern brook
Arms should chargeweave on all fights except for like sludge if youre chained
EVery time we do sludge i get paired with a monk and they roll and i die and i get to go make some popcorn
restive flax
Also... my cotank didnt taunt off sometimes so I sometimes tanked both
modern brook
I didnt actually get to see the fight past 1st pillar until after we finished normal reclears
restive flax
I do notice that I sometimes misstime SB and have some seconds wasted during boss casts. Is there a metric I can check in the logs where I see how much time I wasted?
sweet summit
Not directly afaik
modern brook
If the bost is casting you dont want to be shield blocking
sweet summit
Wowanal used to have that
modern brook
Unless im misunderstanding you
restive flax
I know Bullfango
sweet summit
Dunno of its updated
modern brook
I was misunderstanding you :^)
restive flax
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modern brook
I usually just check my % melee blocked
its not exactly "wasted uptime" but it can be inferred from it
restive flax
I mean, I have 69,13% of melees mitigated... is that what you mean?
modern brook
yah
sweet summit
Kinda
restive flax
is that a good value or not?^^
sweet summit
Dunno i dont really use sb in raids
strong forum
Sounds about right
jagged pier
restive flax
Okay thanks, I guess I just have to shout at my cotank to taunt off the sword more....
jagged pier
On huntsman mythic I had 71% mitigated
72.13% get recked
jagged pier
Okay thanks, I guess I just have to shout at my cotank to taunt off the sword mo...
the bleed from the sword is the problem not its melees
restive flax
I know, but tanking it longer leads to more stacks
Which means I get more teeth kicked in
jagged pier
restive flax
are you guys running Bolster for that fight?
jagged pier
depends though im on dogs
strong forum
I'm perma running bolster now
restive flax
I see
jagged pier
im AM for hc
restive flax
Yeah I guess that leads to more mitigation
jagged pier
bolster for mythic and probably always be
modern brook
I want to be AM cause wall memes
but also perma bolster
Mostly cause i suck though
restive flax
I'm just starting to progress hc so I'm running AM most of the time
jagged pier
the SB uptime is far more worth it in raid
if your progressing you should be bolster tbh
I only switch to AM for farm
granite jungle
Is Sense using his own MDT routes or are there some good public ones?
restive flax
I guess Bolster couldnt hurt yeah
jagged pier
it stupid strong
jagged pier
yer sure you dont need it on the first few bosses, but it is really nice on the last 4
strong forum
Is Sense using his own MDT routes or are there some good public ones?
Most people make their own, and mostly is the same route that everyone uses
jagged pier
I got told in a pug i didnt know the route the other day yet we still had prideful on all bosses ๐ค
modern brook
๐ฐpugs are fucking stupid ๐ฐ
signal plover
AM actually felt rly gud on HC denathrius tbh
jagged pier
AM actually felt rly gud on HC denathrius tbh
its fine on sire, but if you progress hc bolster will help you out far more
signal plover
??
restive flax
<< progressing hc
jagged pier
i mean some people actually progress hc raid
signal plover
We cleared heroic weeks ago
signal plover
Ah I see
jagged pier
but thats not all people
signal plover
No no hold
jagged pier
that actually a very small amount of players
modern brook
Dad mom stop fighting
sweet summit
With who ๐ณ
modern brook
๐
jagged pier
^^ this tbh ๐ฆ
sweet summit
๐ณ ๐ ๐
jagged pier
๐๐
signal plover
I need coffee
jagged pier
โ
strong forum
I need bed...
modern brook
๐
round oasis
Question about Bolster and "SB Uptime" in raid - are you using SB when you aren't the active tank? It seems like most fights there isn't any blockable damage for the non-active tank.
round oasis
I know you "can" I'm asking do you ๐
strong forum
I do when I know I'll get my 2 charges back before I'll need to tank again
round oasis
You "can" blow both charges before the pull ๐
strong forum
Often I overuse it a bit ngl
modern brook
Using rage for damage mitigation when theres no damage to mitigate is not a good play, your intuition would be correct
strong forum
Same with revenge
jagged pier
same Nome same
round oasis
So i guess I wonder why people value Bolster's sb uptime when you only need sb for 50% of the fight
for raid specficially
modern brook
for one
jagged pier
because alot of the time you tank more than 50%
modern brook
And for 2 ^
jagged pier
and tank longer than your 2 sb charges last
modern brook
Like sludgefist or any of the multi boss fights
sweet kayak
Hi, Dungeons Tools add-on seems to get bugged and doesn't work properly, is there an
alternative add-on? ๐
sweet summit
Update it?
jagged pier
you tank for longer than the time your sb last
sweet kayak
Update it?
I did, when I click it it just go black window :/
sweet summit
Mythic or manbaby
modern brook
u shud pay him to use MDT smh
sweet kayak
Ok thanks!
modern brook
Wait sorry im joking
jagged pier
well ill update it then
sweet kayak
Yeah MDT is back to full functionality
So MDT is working for free now? ๐ค
modern brook
Yeah i was making a joke cause the guy that made it got mad on twitch and it was clipped and it was funny
signal plover
@sweet kayak yep, just make sure to update
sweet kayak
Ok thanks ^_^
hallow phoenix
Manbaby (now just Dungeon Tools) still works and is compatible with mdt
uneven mason
Rather support the dude who stepped up when someone else tried to paywall just MHO
uneven mason
thought he updated something he had been working on
if thats the case then ๐คทโโ๏ธ IDK irritating
exotic pewter
Are servers back again?
hallow phoenix
Dungeon Tools is starting to get it's own development
finite prairie
I know this week is over, but what did you guys do for the spider boss in plaguefall with tyrannical and necrotic? It was a hard stop for my pugs at least twice and just a nightmare unless my DPS way overgeared the key. Couldn't find a solution to carry the mechanics as the wrap was less time than the necrotic fall off time
hallow phoenix
Either big dps or treants earth ele. You can also get a good string of parries when adds aren't up
uneven mason
I know this week is over, but what did you guys do for the spider boss in plague...
I lit my PF key on fire and ran others.
finite prairie
Yeah just sucks when you pug and are at the mercy of others to make it happen
hushed vessel
What i did was save my phial and use it when things got spicy. It can reset necrotic
jagged pier
yer but in high keys that spider boss goes on for a lot longer than one phial reset
astral crystal
have 213 boots, rings are 213/200, have 223 shield, trinkets are anime emitter and scale at 203 and 207 respectively
astral crystal
dont really see a world where i take the viscera trinket
astral crystal
i have 223 weap as well
jagged pier
for pvp?
astral crystal
no
jagged pier
well ither of thoughs 3 i would
roll a dice or somthing
unless you dont pvp then flip a coin
blazing condor
Is kyrian the best pick for prot warr? or are they all semi-viable
jagged pier
kyrian is generally considered the best pick
sweet summit
id take the shield tbh xd
jagged pier
well its 3 ilvls on shield or 13 for boots
strong forum
dont really see a world where i take the viscera trinket
Easy shield
errant python
A point on that, however is that venthyr condemn is actually a really good defensive too but I can do things like clear dots and heal like phial can
jagged pier
its not really good defensive
errant python
Canโt
tepid barn
can anyone give me some advice here? Farmed Mists 20+ times to get a wep. Finally got it yesterday and then my vault gives me two weapons ffs lmao
tepid barn
Correct
errant python
Well considering prot warrior is pretty good at aoe dmg as it is without condemn, itโs a very welcomed ST defensive + ST dmg
jagged pier
both crit mastery i think
tepid barn
The first one his 40 crit, 25 mastery, the second is 25 crit, 40 mastery
astral crystal
Easy shield
but i already have 223 yo
strong forum
Still
strong forum
Then you're done for the tier unless you kill slg mythic or get 2.4k
torpid granite
shields huge for us
strong forum
:)
jagged pier
Well considering prot warrior is pretty good at aoe dmg as it is without condemn...
its nither though really its an okay defensive for ST and kyrain tanks in logs are beating venthyr prots on logs
astral crystal
Then you're done for the tier unless you kill slg mythic or get 2.4k
226 shield is from xymox
astral crystal
not yet
strong forum
Then pick boots for all I care :hehe:
tepid barn
@strong forum any advice on my weapon debacle?
sick sentinel
best option i had today was a 210 pulsating stone
rough egret
Its the MISTS shield ?
strong forum
Higher crit one hitman
jagged pier
^^
tepid barn
Cool thanks man
errant python
@jagged pier im not talking about logs and itโs been a solid defensive for me in ST. Phases where I can purely dps taking no dmg
tropic sorrel
got a chest 223 big haste, pants 223 big versa and bit haste and a bracer big haste 223
what's the best when my chest is pvp 207, my pants are 210 haste and bracers 203 haste and versa
jagged pier
chest probably
signal plover
Chest or bracers
But huntsman drops bracers and he's early/easy mythic so up to you
But if you plan on getting to 1600/1800 then your current chest is izzi upgrade
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> im not talking about logs and itโs been a solid defensive ...
I dont quite understand phases where you can purely dps do you mean when your off tanking when you dont need defensives anyway?
jagged pier
nice but yikes on stats
burnt kelp
is heart of al'ar good? does the heal only occur if it was a lethal strike?
sick sentinel
placid oar
Gratz and happy birthday ๐๐ค
hallow phoenix
exotic pewter
Happy bday man
sweet summit
happy birthday
jagged pier
I would not have picked pulsating heart tbh
sick sentinel
thats what i grabed out the box, rest wasn't too appealing best was like a 200 crit haste ring and 187 belt
burnt kelp
so if im using it without dying its just aa 30k absorb?
jagged pier
its doesnt do anything if you dont die
burnt kelp
oh shit its equip i thouht it was on use
jagged pier
nope
burnt kelp
wack
jagged pier
only when you die and if you are close to people it does damage to them even allies i believe
if you can play around dying every 8 mins its not to bad though
exotic pewter
I use heart of a'lar when raiding with my guild
burnt kelp
im probably better staying with wakeners frond and scale
sick sentinel
maybe stone good for pre-pull in dungeon, you can charge and leap while under it's effects
stone, taunt, leap, charge, rotation
steady spruce
Anyone found a good use for those 2 guys? Seems kinda squishy
jagged pier
honestly i shove ppl in mission and forget
errant python
@jagged pier I mean if the boss is in a condemn phase, I havenโt needed other defensives
winged cobalt
hey guys I'm about to protect my friends in m+ and need a legendary, goal is maxing the chest (for now)
thunderlord?
sick sentinel
my mission people and reknown are behind
civic rover
thunderlord or da wall
sick sentinel
raid or M+
winged cobalt
๐
sick sentinel
TL m+ wall raid
jagged pier
its wall for raid
and ither tunderlords or wall for m+ (its your preference)
tbh if your just going for +15 then can wear any leggo you like
sick sentinel
thunderlord is a bit more difficult to get used to, but it works out better for aoe scenarios
civic rover
but if it's your first legendary, the wall is better if you'll also be tanking raids.
signal plover
Wall is best listener tbh
strong forum
if you can play around dying every 8 mins its not to bad though
The CD of the trinket resets on death
stable knoll
hey, has someone a shield block wa?
strong forum
So you can actually die after a pack to some irrelevant stuff and then have it back up again
So essentially it's 0 cd if you get to finish combat
Which is kinda broken
signal plover
hey, has someone a shield block wa?
#268491842637660160 in the prot section
jagged pier
so you could die twice every pack?
hallow phoenix
Is this the kaelthas trinket?
strong forum
Ye
hallow phoenix
Damn
jagged pier
the repair bills though
strong forum
It's so stupid
hallow phoenix
Guild funded repairs
strong forum
That you can abuse it like that
burnt kelp
yeah i got one in my vault but i dont think im going to take it
midnight stone
uneven mason
can anyone give me some advice here? Farmed Mists 20+ times to get a wep. Finall...
Can I have your luck? I've been attempting to get weapon/shield since the Xpac came out
midnight stone
so much stamina, good lord
jagged pier
ew
sick sentinel
well crap, sanguine week
tepid barn
@uneven mason lmao I hear ya dude. I literally farmed mists 20+ times over the past two weeks to get a wep. Finally got it yesterday and now i get this luck in my vault
undone jacinth
im at 19 theatres and so far I got the vers mastery ring once
and that's it
m+ not what it once was
weak zealot
Hey guys. I'm having a hard time deciding, thought I'd get some opinions. What would you take between 213 heart of alar, or 220 Slimy Consumptive Organ?
north rampart
how important is the 1h weapon for a prot tank?
exotic pewter
Hey guys. I'm having a hard time deciding, thought I'd get some opinions. What w...
220 Slimy
uneven mason
how important is the 1h weapon for a prot tank?
Its important for holding aggro, has a lot of str on it
jagged pier
Hey guys. I'm having a hard time deciding, thought I'd get some opinions. What w...
what else do you have in your vault?
uneven mason
which translates to armor
weak zealot
@jagged pier Those are my only 2 viable options
jagged pier
how important is the 1h weapon for a prot tank?
second most important piece after shield
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> Those are my only 2 viable options
heart has more str and can use it more than every 8 mins
weak zealot
How so
jagged pier
if you die it resets the cd
use it in a pack die to the last mob
have it back next pack
sick sentinel
doesn't seem like the pulsating stone is capable of critical heals
oh it can crit heal, but not often
fierce tendon
man cache is treating me so good week after week
having less loot drop sucks but if that keep happening I won't complain anymore lo
dawn imp
ilvl > haste right? Not sure if i should go from a 203 chest > 220, 194 ring > 216, or 200 cape to 210. cape has a good amount of haste and im lacking it atm
uneven mason
ilvl all
dawn imp
kool
fierce tendon
cloak proll matters least too
steel mauve
chest, main stat pieces with armor are much better than jewelry and cloaks
jagged pier
ilvl > haste right? Not sure if i should go from a 203 chest > 220, 194 ring > 2...
ilvl greater than all expect on rings and neck
dawn imp
figured as much, thanks for the info. makes gearing a lil easier
steel mauve
17 ilvls is still massive on a main piece, even over 2 2on jewelry
fierce tendon
I agree with chest
uneven mason
even on rings and neck its generally not worth dropping ilvl for minor haste gains.
ocean heath
how do I not get my ass beat in the beginning of mists with the soulcleaver/harvesters?
sweet summit
play vdh i think
midnight stone
Stun/SR or just CC one of the soulcleavers if you need to
ocean heath
i wonder if it's the debuff to take 20% more damage plus the buff on the mob
jolly thistle
tawny fossil
I got a 220 Viscera in my vault, not sure if I should replace my 200 anima field emitter. Other trinket is 216 scale
Other choice is a 216 sin stained pendant with a socket, hard to pass up too
ocean bloom
hey guys when using bolster how should i use last stand? also duringg last stand should i prevent my SB from capping or just sit at cap?
strong forum
And the sin stained necklace is the haste heavy one right? Aka the best one in the game
tawny fossil
That's what I was thinking, ya its just soo tempting lol
strong forum
hey guys when using bolster how should i use last stand? also duringg last stand...
Prevent SB from sitting at cap
uneven mason
if you're going to use the duration on the block, don't cap, otherwise, (like tank swap inc) sit on it until needed.
I Mean, use SB if you'll continue to take blockable damage ๐
strong forum
If you pair 2x SB into LS, you will get both SB charges back within you block window
Use them simultaneously
ocean bloom
so SB -> SB -> LS
strong forum
Na
I mean LS + SB -> SB
Essentially meaning, if you have SB charges ready, pump them into LS while it's up, if you're continuing to actively tank
ocean bloom
okay so maybe the question should be whats the max duration of SB.other Active mitigation is 3x base amount does that apply with bolster
strong forum
There's no max duration
strong forum
It literally adds time 1 - 1 ratio
ocean heath
How do you tank that pack before the stairs in DoS Hakkar side? Did a +5 on fortified the other week and pretty much got one shot charging in
sullen drift
32% haste is good? ๐
sweet summit
muy bien
strong forum
How do you tank that pack before the stairs in DoS Hakkar side? Did a +5 on fort...
Go in, kick / reflect shadowcore, use your dmg buttons, peace out and never go back in
ocean heath
you mean kite?
strong forum
Peace out and never go back in
ocean heath
lol
odd hemlock
what this guy said
strong forum
Those will cap you with magic melee attacks
:)
Fun group of mobs right there
No cast no nothing
Just a shadowstrike that makes you regret being a tank
lunar perch
Ah yes
charges in
im dead
why did I decide to be a tank
that's one minute off the timer
ocean heath
seriously
Is it me or does it take ages to get proper threat on pack so that you can kite?
ocean heath
without spear
strong forum
You always have spear
If not, revenge spam
Or challenging shout
Usually you don't have to kite for the first 15seconds of a pull unless you have legit nothing available
That should give you enough time to build threat
ocean heath
Maybe i shouldnt be using spear on cooldown
wheat sleet
does challenging shout increase threat done for the duration like taunt?
strong forum
I would assume so
But im not so sure
It's enough to get threat off of your cotank
So I think it does
ocean heath
Just annoying to charge, TC+revenge and then dps are pulling agro off
sick sentinel
i gave my aoe taunt it's own button on keyboard
it's just nice to have it when it's really needed,
undone jacinth
Just annoying to charge, TC+revenge and then dps are pulling agro off
Ravager
strong forum
Like, either ravager / avatar / spear is typically always ready
One of them has to be
undone jacinth
donโt you have all your spells on buttons yogi?
polar wind
I had a quick question about war prot, I don't understand why so many war prot uses the legendary Thunderlord (the one that reduces demoralizing cry), I see on several guides explaining that you can win up to 40% on this one, but i see no synergy at all with the talents, since anger management dont reduce his cd anymore
ocean heath
I'm using all those on cooldown pretty much so I have them up sometimes at the start of a pack
sick sentinel
i put it on the + key on numpad so i'll never forget it
modern brook
Maybe i shouldnt be using spear on cooldown
use spear on cd
strong forum
I had a quick question about war prot, I don't understand why so many war prot u...
Don't need synergy besides booming voice
That along is enough
To make it a good legendary
steady spruce
Missed the conversation about LS + SB, how can you overcap SB? Feel like the duration just add up
strong forum
You can't
undone jacinth
I'm using all those on cooldown pretty much so I have them up sometimes at the s...
well if a pack is about to die just donโt use one of them and you will have it? Ravager is 45s cd lol
modern brook
strong forum
You can just cap on charges
open monolith
viscera of coalesced hatred: how do you guys feel about this trinket?
strong forum
So you don't want to sit on 2 charges
When LS is up
You want to use atleast 1 SB charge during LS with bolster
To keep the CD rolling and have thus max uptime
modern brook
viscera of coalesced hatred: how do you guys feel about this trinket?
my intial reactions are it depends on the proc rate
and non-onu se trickets are sorta buns so my prejudice says its probably not good
open monolith
No don't listen to nome. Just spam revenge during bolster. BOLSTER IS PUMPING TIME
modern brook
But i honestly dont know
glass mural
blazing condor
I know right now all other tank specs are better but realistically how good can you get as prot warr? ish? is it really miles behind?
weak spindle
I got an odd question, looking at the few top tanks in M+ on raiderio they are running the Signet
steady spruce
oh okay
undone jacinth
all other tank specs are not better lol
weak spindle
CAn't tell if that is UI bugging or are they, is it worth using?
steady spruce
So no penalty in using SB and LS at the same time, just wanted to be sure of that :p
polar wind
That along is enough
but it's only 5 sec overall, so the wall is better at any point no?
undone jacinth
some are arms mains, some are having fun and overall it doesnโt really matter @weak spindle
modern brook
but it's only 5 sec overall, so the wall is better at any point no?
the 4.5s cap is per thunder clap
not per cd
undone jacinth
itโs not that itโs improving their overall dramatically, itโs that their play is more important than their Lego
Iโm using signet atm and itโs ok but itโs a bit annoying tbh
modern brook
honestly dont even like signet on arms lol
weak spindle
Just was curious how it works since it procs with avatar but doesn't seem to proc in Protection with ravager
weak spindle
honestly dont even like signet on arms lol
peko
undone jacinth
it doesnโt
modern brook
like its good but its just "annoying"
sweet summit
honestly dont even like signet on arms lol
you what
undone jacinth
it doesnโt proc with ravager but also it doesnโt give u ravager either
sweet summit
take that back
undone jacinth
it gives u blade storm or recklessness for like 5 seconds when u avatar @weak spindle
weak spindle
in most situations how would that be a better benefit over me having DS up more
steady spruce
if only it gave something with prot ravager it would be so nice
weak spindle
other than godly rage generation
modern brook
I want executioners precision to be good baseline
undone jacinth
honestly it probably isnโt, blade storm does pretty good damage and recklessness small window works nice with being able to spear ravager and revenge during it for dmg and aggro
but TL is probably better overall in m+
steady spruce
Just sucks to have to play both spec
Conduit/Legendary wise
Covenant wise too, it sucks to play kyrian arms in raid
sweet summit
why do you keep having bad takes today bull...
modern brook
because i dont play arms lol
sweet summit
:/
steady spruce
it sounds weird to have a 55% execute phase indeed
modern brook
but tbh
steady spruce
but feels weirder to do shit dps
modern brook
I'd rather play spear arms than condem prot
last mason
if i have a 226 and 223 chest in vault, but i plan on upgrading my pvp chest to 220, do i opt instead for a 223 vers/crit ring even if i have to drop haste on the ring
modern brook
Also spear arms is the look for pvp
wheat sleet
I have a love/hate relationship with condemn
sweet summit
condemn is very fun as arms in pvp tho
modern brook
@last mason you can sim your vault
steady spruce
Hmm it's up to you i'd say? @last mason
steady spruce
am big boy now
wheat sleet
I think its a boring skill but chonking people from full hp is awesome and that animation is just... italian finger kiss
modern brook
grats ๐
sweet summit
YUGE!
steady spruce
ty, after 1 year of classic i had a really hard time understanding the new concepts of M+ like route and kitting lol
or this thing called "mechanics"
modern brook
that guild name is op tbh
steady spruce
ahah i guess
open monolith
I love when people come in here and say "I know warrior is the worst but is it really MILES behind"?
ocean heath
In BFA. did we used to get a lot more revenge procs or what? Feels super rare to get them in SL
open monolith
Primarily from memes on reddit?
undone jacinth
like they're so confident in their own knowledge
but still asking the most basic question
open monolith
P.s.
Splintered heart saved 2 +11 keys again last night
I'm officially on team splintered heart
I've gotten insane value out of it
undone jacinth
been trying to get one since launch of raid xd