idk if anyone has confirmed if the millhouse fight did get hot fixed though
#protection
undone jacinth
signal plover
Plz say it did
undone jacinth
dorki said you can still bug it out but I got depleted by the change last week
so idk how to do it still if it is possible
uneven mason
Fun detected.
restive flax
Hey guys, do yall know if theres still invis potions?
sweet summit
potion of the hidden spirit
bitter crest
Yep, crafted them myself.
restive flax
thanks guys 🙂
Btw how do you deal with the caster packs in DoS with Inspiring this week?
Pray for good DPS players?
restive flax
I only have 5 of those, I can only cross them so much 😄
bitter crest
The are stunned through the inspiring.
woven kiln
separate the inspired and LOS the others away
it's slow, but you lose like 15 seconds. Wiping loses you over a minute
restive flax
True
I already do that in Tirna Scithe
But separating mobs that cast is a little more difficult
You really need well coordinated kicks or a deathknight for that
signal plover
At least it isn't fortified week
restive flax
Yeah that would be terrifying
I'm a fan of necrotic tbh
Doesnt affect me a lot in most cases
signal plover
I'm a dorf Kyrian so
uneven mason
I get the impression
bitter crest
Yeah, Necrotic has lost much of its horror from legion.
uneven mason
That blizzard sees all of these posts about how horrible spiteful was
restive flax
I mean it still is horror for healing tanks
uneven mason
and they're like "Oh, worst affix ever?" HOLD MY BEER!
restive flax
Wait, which one are you talking about?
uneven mason
And now they're watching this Necrotic/Inspiring tears
restive flax
I'm confused
restive flax
Is this week terrifying overall?
undone jacinth
sanguine quaking
restive flax
This week is like... a cakewalk compared to everything before
undone jacinth
is pretty ez
woven kiln
with thee exception of prideful, the new affixes in SL are some of the worst
signal plover
Couple dungeons are huge outliers
woven kiln
real E tier
signal plover
This week
restive flax
Sanguine Death?
restive flax
I mean, Necrotic barely affects you in bossfights
undone jacinth
I don’t think anything can compete with bolstering as worst affix tbh
uneven mason
Its more that Necrotic + Inspirational boosts the trash up a bit more, means pulls take longer. Then Tyrannical drags the boss fights out.
fierce tendon
Bolster is literally aids
woven kiln
nectoric isn't a problem on bosses, except the first boss of ToP. IT's's always been a trash mechanic
fierce tendon
need to remove that one
signal plover
It's not even necrotic for me it's just beeg tyrannical bosses
undone jacinth
yeah
restive flax
I dropped stacks so many times there dunno
woven kiln
yea you need to prio the melee one or you'll have to many stacks
undone jacinth
top and the plaguefall spider are the worst two
u probably dropped stacks during his fixate
restive flax
Oh yeah, but focusing down the melee isnt really a huge deal is it?
like... if you play the boss correct you barely notice Necrotic
signal plover
Dispelling tank poison on PF spider is huge
restive flax
wait whos PF?
undone jacinth
it’s the necrotic that’s the issue not the poison
signal plover
Plaguefal
undone jacinth
I assume nobody lets the poison sit
restive flax
oh the Domina spider?
woven kiln
it's not but the magical attacks hit like trucks on +16s, so it's one of the harder bosses to heal
signal plover
See "dorf/Kyrian"
restive flax
You can reflect that poison though... right?
undone jacinth
don’t think so
signal plover
Like u said, doing mechanics correctly
uneven mason
See "dorf/Kyrian"
This basically negates Necrotic and uh..bursting
restive flax
checks reflect guide
undone jacinth
bolts and spores?
woven kiln
oh the spider one
undone jacinth
cryotoxic blade whatever
woven kiln
yeah the blade can, but only 1 right?
undone jacinth
can it
woven kiln
hold on, I've got the sheet somewhere lol
restive flax
but not avoid the debuff
signal plover
Yeah, not reflect/deflectable
woven kiln
cryotoxic slash can't be reflected, but can be blocked
undone jacinth
either way that boss is the only other one that u can have necrotic issues on
the fight itself is just a heal check I think
woven kiln
I've not had an issue on her tbh. Even with non bursty DPSers, if everyone switches to the adds when they should, you're not going to get crazy stacks
undone jacinth
it’s just attrition, you get over 20 and it becomes harder to keep topped
signal plover
Our only issue on domina was the tank debuff, once we pulled our heads out and started dispelling that, was izzi
woven kiln
glug glug kyrain juice
signal plover
Necro can sometimes be reset during her assassin's cast just gotta be careful to not get webbed
Also helps to have like trees n shit to take melees
(from adds)
restive flax
trees?
undone jacinth
boomkin treants
undone jacinth
the talent all the trash moonkins refuse to take xd
woven kiln
'hey do you want trees please say no'
undone jacinth
I don’t think I’ve ever had one ask
I just shift click the talent in party chat and they put an unhappy face
woven kiln
lol
restive flax
Well I usually have atleast one shaman with earth elemental
undone jacinth
ele is kinda suckage comparatively
but it’s not too bad
man class representation above 15 is wild
0 frost dks
fierce tendon
Earth ele is pog for dropping stacks, love it
except if we get necrotic on fortified, pretty sure it would blow up immediately
outer solstice
I really hate inspiring necrotic ,... especially if your DPS suck xD
kiting without the slow is sooooo painful
outer solstice
yeah,... guess we skip over the bad DPS part
they'll just break it out or not do the CC even if you call for it
uneven mason
I mean...
I agree with you on both points
but as the tank, you gotta take up the banner be in charge
wanna live - teach, don't bitch
outer solstice
oh well or I just inhale health pots like cookies and run in my shiny night-fae form xD
^^
uneven mason
inhaling health pots = pointless for necrotic 😄
woven kiln
inhale owl steroids
uneven mason
^^
exotic pewter
wanna live - teach, don't bitch
that!
outer solstice
what do you guys think, is it worth setting up a secondary gear-collection with more mastery just to bad better in heroic? xD
jsut to pad better...
damn typing...
undone jacinth
just make mastery ur main set, job done
outer solstice
yeah but that's no good for progress xD and we're not gonna clear myhtic anytime soon xD xD
woven kiln
what are you struggling on in hc?
uneven mason
what do you guys think, is it worth setting up a secondary gear-collection with ...
Just wear whatever has highest ilvl at all times 😄
the raw str is going to trump any mastery stacking
outer solstice
yeah but let's assume I had 2 similar high pieces, which is quite often with my PvP items 😛
undone jacinth
it’s fine for prog too
outer solstice
we have like only 1 other plate guy in the raid
undone jacinth
the only issue with mastery is that u hit cap
outer solstice
is it? how much worse is haste?
undone jacinth
pretty quickly
haste mastery obviously
haste is too op
I’m assuming that the buffs from mastery soulbinds are affected by DR so it does mean u can’t stack that much mastery
uneven mason
the only issue with mastery is that u hit cap
uhh cap?
undone jacinth
dr
outer solstice
I play NF, so I get a flat % not rating
undone jacinth
yeah but I just call it cap because why would u waste stats
outer solstice
so the DR from soulbinds is irellevant
undone jacinth
isn’t night fae rating not %
uneven mason
its not really that severe
outer solstice
and you get 12%
undone jacinth
ok that’s nice then
outer solstice
for using AA
undone jacinth
I swear on my Druid it said rating
outer solstice
but I'm pretty sure DR is not effecting temporary buffs
it was said somewhere when they introduced it
undone jacinth
hmm
well if that’s true then I will stack higher because I’m at like +25% atm
I’m assuming the base also isn’t affected
outer solstice
I go from 20 to 32% mastery when I use it xD that's what threw me off, for us it's pretty much exactly 1% per stack xD
undone jacinth
that sounds v high
undone jacinth
my weapon is awful though so missing a lot of stats there
undone jacinth
I think I’m like 27 haste or so
undone jacinth
scaredy cat
restive flax
dolphin got 27 haste total Pog
restive flax
wait in classic you could parry tank as fury couldnt you?
outer solstice
you could
uneven mason
Not really "Parry" tank
restive flax
wait what, I have pretty decent gear but I'm only at 26%
outer solstice
more like flesh tank
woven kiln
You can DPS in front of the boss while holding aggro, yeah
uneven mason
People fury tanked in classic because protection Sword & Board produced ass for threat
outer solstice
@restive flax you have the PvP trinket? it has static haste a a strngth procc
undone jacinth
more like because mechanics don’t exist
restive flax
Well if your enemy likes ass its nice^^
undone jacinth
so why not do dmg
uneven mason
you'd just pop into defensive stance while dual wielding and just soak up healing
it allowed for bosses to be burst
uneven mason
and die really fast
lilac spire
prot in classic was also pretty bad defensively anyway, all the good talents are early in the tree and taken by fury proc regardless
restive flax
I guess id have to upgrade it
uneven mason
prot in classic was also pretty bad defensively anyway, all the good talents are...
Literally needed 2 charges on SB
you were crit immune with that
lilac spire
yes and thats very early in the tree
uneven mason
yup
outer solstice
uneven mason
3rd tier iirc
undone jacinth
what’s the up time on the buff
lilac spire
2nd row and you only needed one point in it
undone jacinth
that’s pretty good
undone jacinth
that’s very good
outer solstice
yeah that trinket is really good
undone jacinth
now how can I get it without pvping
outer solstice
do the quests
strong forum
You don't :)
outer solstice
and you can get it at 200
undone jacinth
I would like it at 233 please sir
undone jacinth
for non weapons?
strong forum
233 is only for weapons
restive flax
cheat death maybe
strong forum
I mean, you wear more pvp than raid gear
strong forum
If you actually play the game
undone jacinth
it was a joke dude
uneven mason
but its the best avenue for gear
outer solstice
yeah you can choose stats and pieces
and you get 1-2 pieces per week
if you actively play
uneven mason
meanwhile
"runs 10 dungeons, gets 3 of the same ring all lower ilvl than what he has"
outer solstice
it's the most reliable way for gear atm
spamming dungeons is soooo unrewarding
how to parse 97 on artificer hc 😛 cast 70 revenge and only 7 IP xD hahaha xD xD
it's sooo retarded xD
undone jacinth
meanwhile ikarikaze spends 1.5 hours in necrotic wake for one 200 ilvl item between 5 players xd
outer solstice
oof
uneven mason
meanwhile ikarikaze spends 1.5 hours in necrotic wake for one 200 ilvl item betw...
Someones gotta teach em
Trying to get more people in my guild to do M+
hell, trying to get back into it on the warrior
undone jacinth
yeah I racked up 100 wipes in theater with people in my guild
every single one of them on the last boss
100 deaths*
...didn't kill it
woven kiln
M+ isn't for gearing. I mean, there's the vault, but really, M+ is for fun, seeing how high you can push, showing off the mount, etc 😄
outer solstice
btw, do you guys also love the raw damage + mitigation analysis between tanks in logs? I think it really shows how good both are using their CDs 😛
undone jacinth
they are good metrics but different tanks do stuff differently
uneven mason
Know what gear system they need to bring back. Emblems of Frost - ICC - raid bosses and heroic dungeons dropped tokens you could use to buy specific slots.
outer solstice
yeah obviously, but the raw DTPS is about the same @undone jacinth so you can see if tauns and such have worked properly
uneven mason
M+ isn't for gearing. I mean, there's the vault, but really, M+ is for fun, see...
Big shift - it USED to be for gearing.
M+ was the best way to gear in Legion and BFA
outer solstice
@undone jacinth like this is a normal phase 1 of shriek mhytic, sadly with a bug that I kep the debuff of the lamp with no duration... but still 5 stacks
@undone jacinth and that's a messed up tankswap + runnign out of CDs --> tank dead
undone jacinth
I mean sure it's nice but like on our last kill I tanked almost the entire fight and the boss just kept biting our DK
so logs would look terrible but we didn't do anything wrong
outer solstice
if you know you're doing it that way it works yeah sure
undone jacinth
we didn't
outer solstice
but if you're actually blowing all your CDs that you don't need for the next tanking turn to ease it on the healers
undone jacinth
it's just what the boss decided to do
undone jacinth
idk sometimes I think it's easy to get trapped in thinking logs are more important than they are
I tend to only look at high pressure moments or particular issues like say if there's a high damage tank add like on council
outer solstice
logs are just helpful to visualize what happened
undone jacinth
how they handle those things matters, whereas losing a bit of mitigation on boss swings is probably fine
outer solstice
well these analysis
undone jacinth
logs are amazing don't get me wrong, but when people start looking at like blanket stats (I have a pet peeve for ehrps) it's just a mess imo
outer solstice
yeah singular KPIs are always dangerous
uneven mason
tanking has nothing todo with metrics and 100% to do with execution (execution can impact the stats, but you win or lose a fight by execution)
outer solstice
so back to myhtic shriek anyone figured out how to avoid the non-active tank getting bitten?
(and while were on it, someone knows how to avoid getting an infinite duration lamp debuff)
undone jacinth
not sure how to avoid it but tbh I actually prefer it
one tank can dps the entire time and the boss never gets moved on taunt swaps
outer solstice
you have the boss moving on taunt swaps? oO
wraith hemlock
<@!132546192105144320> and that's a messed up tankswap + runnign out of CDs --> ...
That looks pretty dead to me... even for a dk
outer solstice
the DK was living
undone jacinth
you have the boss moving on taunt swaps? oO
not really but sometimes tanks just have slightly different ideas, like one takes it back to one place after intermission, another takes it to slightly different one etc
maybe u don't stand exactly on top of each other and the boss does the toxic thing it does nowadays where it just randomly moves
outer solstice
oh yeah, we have set up whispers between us
to adjust these things without disturbing the raid
and we'll just call out our result before the end of the intermission
undone jacinth
I mean you can agree something fully but still you'll be a few yards off or whatever
outer solstice
yeah, but that should be able to be worked around
undone jacinth
ofc my mentality is just to make things as consistent as possible so people have as few things to mess up as possible
but that probably comes from having 0 trust xd
wraith hemlock
omg there is a reflection spell list... I forgot how much I loved this discord
outer solstice
don't forget to stop by his twitch stream if you want to thank him
@wraith hemlock
though it seems he wasn't live for quite some time
wraith hemlock
I mean, that's kinda expected considering new year and xmas were around
strong forum
Sense works 12hrs a day, doesn't have alot of time to stream :)
wraith hemlock
where can I check his twitch?
wraith hemlock
/facepalm sorry, I went directly to read the other tabs
undone jacinth
so why does this health drain debuff in torghast exist xd
outer solstice
it's horrible
I agree
did it as fury with IV xD
just don't stop pulling and hope to find one of the big rare beasts that gives you 5% HP heal per 5 seconds to counter the healt drain
uneven mason
Did one wing as arms, 2nd wind cancels it out, combine the 1000hp regen food and you're golden till the top floor
gloomy trail
how bad venthyr is for tank ?
uneven mason
Unless you'e doing incredibly high keys it won't impact you
outer solstice
suitable for most content
uneven mason
Kyrian makes it easier to tank M+
and is strong in raids due to pot OP
however, venthyr gives you a big haste or big mastery buff
outer solstice
NF is fine for M+ as well, but yeah kyrian pot OP
gloomy trail
one thing , m+ can make you progress through prove your worth ?
wraith hemlock
how bad venthyr is for tank ?
been doing some 10's and no trouble at all... (I run teothar, which comes in handy when I do not have to run out of shit)
silver trout
I'm going to start keeping track of my condemn shields on raid bosses to see if i can get a numerical value out of it
outer solstice
isn't there a WA for it?
steel mauve
your covenant has little effect on your groups ability to do content, some make it easier but there are a lot more variables at play than just spear/AA/condemn
silver trout
isn't there a WA for it?
if there is, this is the first i've heard of it
undone jacinth
the value is on the spell tooltip right?
and the heal will be on meters
it's roughly 3/5 of an IP
outer solstice
@silver trout I've seen it from an arms PvP guy, can you remind me tomorrow? I'll snoop around
wraith hemlock
it's roughly 3/5 of an IP
thou it absorbs 100% of the hit instead of 50%
it comes in handy sometimes for raids, at least I like it thou I usually pull aggro from my co-tank
undone jacinth
but it only absorbs the hit and not any other damage so evens out
silver trout
looking at the two, per rage spent it looks like condemn is a little more efficient, but the variable rage use of it can be a little weird
i like it for top loading threat at the start of an encounter
I kept pulling off my vengeance DH co-tank last night
silver trout
<@!82513360620359680> I've seen it from an arms PvP guy, can you remind me tomor...
sure thing
wraith hemlock
but it only absorbs the hit and not any other damage so evens out
Yeah, but it comes with dealing damage too... I would dare say it is better than an IP on ST if you also need to deal damage
and it looks awesome (looks > everything else)
undone jacinth
it is better imo
silver trout
and it looks awesome (looks > everything else)
haha, this is important, yes
wraith hemlock
if they were to change punish to be applied ON THE PLAYER do you think it would triumph over devastator?
uneven mason
No
undone jacinth
I mean surely it would
uneven mason
nah
uneven mason
you think
uneven mason
you're looking at a significant loss of RPS. and SS resets, so, in theory, it'd be lower than expected.
But yeah I suppose a hard 6%
wraith hemlock
I feel like I have trouble with voercapping rage lmao
uneven mason
There are windows where rage can be an issue, mostly outside of our RPS CDs.
echo trench
So i have waited and waited on crafting a legendary for no good reason. Anyway I'm getting ready to use the Wall for raid tanking. I'm buying shoulders. Do i need to purchase the ilvl 190 or if I have the gold should i get better?
undone jacinth
punish is already competitive if not better on single target fights
echo trench
Super noob question i'm sure
undone jacinth
pretty sure it would just become op
undone jacinth
it can be
sweet summit
devastator is better like eveywhere
undone jacinth
whats ur logic
sweet summit
huh?
uneven mason
"Math logic"
sweet summit
its more damage and more rage than punish
undone jacinth
and if what u need is to survive?
tardy parcel
So i have waited and waited on crafting a legendary for no good reason. Anyway I...
You can just buy the base for whatever item level you're able to craft up to with the soul ash that you possess.
uneven mason
So i have waited and waited on crafting a legendary for no good reason. Anyway I...
You can go directly to rank 4
echo trench
Awesome news! I have done lots of tower lol
sweet summit
then more rage will help 
i might see punish being better on sludgefist
but other than that, devastator is better
uneven mason
IDK extra rage would give you more IP padding.
wraith hemlock
So i have waited and waited on crafting a legendary for no good reason. Anyway I...
having a leggo is always the most important upgrade. You can craft it at any rank you have enough soul ash for. but do consider this. if you upgrade them from rank 1 to rank 2, then 3 then 4, you use a lot of gold. most of my guildies and myself are crafting the ones we need at rank 1 (cuz having leggo is the biggest upgrade) then waiting to fully upgrade it to rank 4 in 1 go and not waste gold
wraith hemlock
IDK extra rage would give you more IP padding.
if you don't overcap it thou
undone jacinth
what's devastators rpm?
uneven mason
I mean, I'm not seeing people overcap IP vs bosses.
You cap it, and sludge will prob wipe it off pretty quick, but padding is good.
jagged pier
sludge doesnt care for IP tbh
undone jacinth
does anyone know devastators rpm?
uneven mason
Basically, with punish (and by extension devastate being a GCD consuming button again) you create an opportunity cost, where you have to spend GCDs to proc SS resets during your rotation, which is an ability you have to spend a GCD to use.
with Rev and TC being available frequently
sweet summit
its 20% per auto
undone jacinth
rpm not ppm
uneven mason
well
jagged pier
depends how lucky u are
uneven mason
that varies on your hste?
undone jacinth
roughly
jagged pier
if you get SS reset every melee lots
sweet summit
do two quick sims and compare rage generated
undone jacinth
assume 25%
wraith hemlock
at 2.5sec per swing u get 120 rage per minute
jagged pier
equip dagger for more procs 
uneven mason
😄
uneven mason
equip dagger for more procs <:clowning:745703559202603121>
If it was functional stat wise, if only..
uneven mason
Who else tanked with daggers in TBC before they normalized tank weapons in 2.4?
wraith hemlock
flat, without ocnsidering the extra procs from SS
undone jacinth
flat as in without any talents?
undone jacinth
I'm trying to establish the difference in rage between no talent and dev talented
first part of that is white swings
uneven mason
old devastator with its rage per swing ohhhh nomnomnomnom
wraith hemlock
I forget they removed teh rage part
uneven mason
and it wsa 30% per swing to proc SnB
wraith hemlock
yeah... haven't had my morning coffee,s orry
wraith hemlock
nope
undone jacinth
rage is flat regardless of damage?
wraith hemlock
aight, so at 2.5sec per swing you get 24 attacks a minute... which has 4.8 procs per minute... that means almost 5 SS procs per minute... 100 rage
considering you are guaranteed 5 procs per minute
the good thing is, haste will increase the SS reset procs per minute
undone jacinth
and ur assuming all ur ss resets are from autos and none from clap or revenge
wraith hemlock
well, that's only considering a 1 minute AA fight with using SS only from procs
uneven mason
I mean
uneven mason
closer to 120~
undone jacinth
?
wraith hemlock
if you use more damaging abilities, then you get more resets
uneven mason
since 25% haste places you in the range of 30 autos per min
wraith hemlock
ah yeah, that's on 25% haste
uneven mason
which would be more like 5.7 procs
uneven mason
rather use the actual value
undone jacinth
well nobody has a fixed haste value
wraith hemlock
i mean you should look forward to stacking vers + haste
undone jacinth
oh so we're assuming perfect stats as well
uneven mason
because simplicity dumbing down is the only way punish becomes better than devastator.
uneven mason
I mean if you go with 0 haste
uneven mason
not really ideal
undone jacinth
for devastator
??
we're assuming u manage to use all ss resets
and have optimised gear
without overlap from ur other abilities
uneven mason
15% haste isn't a long stretch in
undone jacinth
and u have full up time
uneven mason
current gearing
wraith hemlock
yeah but considering single target.
Now, if punish was ON THE PLAYER in M+ it would definitely be awesome... 6% DR from all enemies? hell yeah I want that
uneven mason
was why Gladiator was so good (it wasn't the DPS, it was the 5% DR)
undone jacinth
which is effectively the same anyway tbh
apart from potentially environmental
so we take ur ideal 5.7 and add in ur ideal legendary
that gives us 114 rage
wraith hemlock
you can also go heavy repercussions and up it to 23 rage per SS
lavish oracle
For glad
wraith hemlock
yeah glad was stupid...
now we don't get glad but paladins and dh's and dk's can do "glad" and heal.... fucking rid
uneven mason
But HR would involve not using AM
I mean, we got to do top DPS for half of BFA
can't complain
lavish oracle
DKs? Dk damage is not good
uneven mason
DK dmg is a sad clown shoes with broken squeekers
lavish oracle
It's ST is a little better than ours maybe
wraith hemlock
DKs? Dk damage is not good
really? I've seen some nasty dk's then...
wraith hemlock
I mean, we got to do top DPS for half of BFA
you know what I loved about prot war? that our damage wasn't 80% from TD... I mean, it would be like 50% from TD but we still would do a shit ton from our abilities
strong forum
huh.
uneven mason
TC~
lavish oracle
Prot pally deserves their damage because they're made of glass, though
strong forum
they increased the size of anime field emitter
lavish oracle
Nerf DH damage, tho
sleek thorn
they increased the size of anime field emitter
Drastically? Or..
uneven mason
eh, they'll get slapped in 9.1
wraith hemlock
well when you went for TD. when you went for full vers yeah... TC was nasty
uneven mason
oh I mean before they nerfed our DPS
wraith hemlock
Nerf DH damage, tho
Why thou? I always pull aggro from my dh co-tank in raids
uneven mason
I stopped playing in 8.1.5
uneven mason
cause my guild leadership ghosted and I didn't want to pony up the $$ to Xfer off of a 100% Dead server.
lavish oracle
Like every officer in the guild just disappeared?
uneven mason
Like they literally Xfered servers/faction overnight
and left us a dear john note and deleted the discord
lavish oracle
Yikes
undone jacinth
my old gm kicked everyone from the guild and the discord so we couldnt even message each other etc
uneven mason
They wanted to be CE and we were alliance on Turalyon
which was basically a mythic raiding pool of inverse progression
exotic pewter
whats "ce"?
uneven mason
Cutting Edge
undone jacinth
it means you cleared mythic
lavish oracle
It's the feat you get for downing the mythic raid as current content
exotic pewter
Being part of a dead server I always my ass off of people that wannabe tryhards, on said servers
like, dude, you brag about being #1 on the shittiest server? fuck off
uneven mason
We had a few people leave due to some officers turning into complete asshats and yelling at people (while screwing up themselves) and they didn't want to face it was their fault that we now did not have 20 raiders to field
lavish oracle
I'm on kinda a shitty server and we have a few CE guilds
uneven mason
I had fought tooth and nail to get that tank slot as a prot warrior too
made me many mads
exotic pewter
lmao, me too
uneven mason
in 8.0~
young glen
Is Dragon Roar worth it for Darkvein?
exotic pewter
for Lady Inerva?
uneven mason
its the best ST DPS I think? But adds damage is important too.
exotic pewter
its the best ST DPS I think? But adds damage is important too.
Exactly
young glen
for Lady Inerva?
Y
strong forum
its the best ST DPS I think? But adds damage is important too.
it wins by like 4dps
soo. yeah
exotic pewter
And if you're worrying to squeeze every single drop of dps to kill an enemy, being a tank, then maybe you have a dps problem on your raid
uneven mason
Tank damage is important
young glen
I am not trying to squeez, rather optimize.
uneven mason
we can pump hard when we're not burning resources on defensive
and yeah Lady I is one of the fights that tank damage is crucial
because the DPS are dealing with a lot of mechanics.
lavish oracle
In raid? Nah, tank damage isn't really important
uneven mason
the last 25% is a hard burn
exotic pewter
You can input a lot more dmg doing revenge and executes while not being the active tank
uneven mason
condemn pumper
young glen
It's not like we can't kill her without me doing more or less damage. At this point it's just minmaxing on my side. And I was just wondering if it's worth it, as there is a regular three-target occurance that seems to align well with DR
uneven mason
its got defensive value and feels better to spend 40 rage on than IP
DR doesn't beat BV in 3 targets.
exotic pewter
dragon roar its not that good anymore
on the other side, you always have ravager, which also builds some rage to even help you defensevly
uneven mason
You'd gain more cleave damage by taking ravager (not suggesting it, just you would)
wraith hemlock
condemn pumper
I approve of this as a venthyr tank
young glen
Oh well. Too bad.
exotic pewter
Yeah. Personally I've been swaping between ravager and anger management... and ravager seems to be the better option.
young glen
I do like the idea of DR tho 😦
exotic pewter
ravager plus dr? sounds beefy
young glen
Hmm. Not gonna give up ITF
undone jacinth
its not too bad even if you don't crit but the issue is theres just no need to have an extra button
young glen
The only thing I am swapping around is AM/Bolster for Sludge and Denathrius tbh
Anway. Thanks for the input. I'm going to progress Inerva on Mythic now. That's where we are stuck at the moment.
undone jacinth
the colouring is gradual but it starts to look pretty purple around 800
uneven mason
1008 RIO, Finally broke the 1k threshold with a 13 Sanguine timed 😄
timing SD on this week >< hats off to you my friend.
spare oracle
this week is suppose to be annoying for us right?
tardy parcel
Yea I'm at 754 io and it's close to purple, but not there yet
zealous veldt
How do you guys go about planning out routes? do you just copy one from someone else or make your own?
nimble drift
I just watch sense and try to copy that, while cross referencing with old icyveins routes
astral orbit
I usually do my own route
But on more complex mob placing like Necrotic wake I find a route to use on google or something
signal plover
I just watch sense and try to copy that, while cross referencing with old icyvei...
Lol I do the same. Sense has some slapper dps players that run with him too
astral orbit
I also use a lot of invis skips on the routes I do
I got a killer route for SD, SoA and theater of Pain that i’ve made
Soa prideful on every boss except third
With invis skips on the hard packs before third boss
Theater Pride on all bosses except last
SD pride on all except third
open gazelle
best defensive trinkets for m+?
astral orbit
Atleast so I’m told
astral orbit
Lmao I was literally told it’s bis for tanks in m+
Hey I got anima field emitter from a 13
uneven mason
whoever told you that is licking the snozzberrys
astral orbit
It’s nice but problem with it is you can only use it efficiently when not moving lol
uneven mason
Not moving in M+ (on necrotic week)
vocal bison
its literally *the worst trinket in the game*
Stoneheart says hai! XD
sweet summit
kit is worse
vocal bison
at least it does some dps
vocal bison
and doesn't actively try to kill you when you use it
sweet summit
its alright i think
strong hare
why is warrior so shit in m+?
strong hare
is there a way to make it less shitty?
grave prawn
I'm really struggling to do de other side, so much damage
undone jacinth
play better
astral orbit
Every now and then a healer tells me how he hates healing us
uneven mason
Might be you
undone jacinth
is you
grave prawn
from 80 to 96 overall parse
strong hare
any proof that war prot can play +15 and above?
fervent axle
Haven't heard that myself.
uneven mason
but they can WoG themselves to full every 12s
astral orbit
Except that they word of glory half their HP
uneven mason
DK also squish
zealous veldt
Alkaiser literally tanking +17 plaguefall
undone jacinth
wowzers
astral orbit
And let’s not talk about DH tanks
grave prawn
1 on 6k warriors between the shit ton of DHs
astral orbit
40% reduced damage taken on every pcj
undone jacinth
everyone knows dhs are overtuned
astral orbit
Pack
undone jacinth
nothing else is really
astral orbit
Yeah
undone jacinth
if u feel like ur warrior is much worse than a paladin or something its probably the player
not the class
astral orbit
That nothing else is really everything
candid pawn
hey what are the top stats for prot wars? rather ask on here than trust icyveins
undone jacinth
haste and whatever
signal plover
Icyveins is maintained by this discord lol
candid pawn
is it? i heard not to trust it alot over the last few days
signal plover
Amazing insight
candid pawn
learn something new every day lol!
grave prawn
this is the only m+ i did in 11+, got some feedbacks?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6ycdq781ZaT4xF3H#fight=2&type=summary
candid pawn
nah jsut randoms so wanted to chekc on here but i will trust it now
low kindle
how is IP not the highest healing for you O.O?
grave prawn
Everything on rio will be brown
❤️
low kindle
u probably revenging a lot instead of IPing
signal plover
@grave prawn don't run UF in m+, run ravager. AM is ok til you need survivability at which point go bolster
undone jacinth
I haven't checked ur power usage but I'd guess from ur dmg and ur healing that ur overcapping on rage a lot
ur spells dmg is much too low and ur IP is also too low
ur IP being low can be fine because its a low key, but then ur damaging spells should be higher
melee is ur #2 and indomitable is ur #1
grave prawn
ur spells dmg is much too low and ur IP is also too low
gotcha, i mostly try to do as more damage as i can when i'm full, not spamming IP
signal plover
You also wasted a good bit of rage which means you're likely capping too frequently
Dump more with revenge and IP
grave prawn
So i go Bolster and Ravager instead?
signal plover
Which will improve what dolphin is talking about
Bolster vs AM depends on difficulty of content and group
But ravager > UF fo sho
undone jacinth
u actually didnt waste that much rage as far as I can see
not really sure where its going lol
grave prawn
I also got pretty bad stats tho
grave prawn
Hmm, on HoA very few times i did small pulls
We got Necrotic in EU now so maybe i didn't stack when there were too much adds
But on the first part i took 3 packs with BL
signal plover
I mostly meant the overcaps on DS and Spear which happened a couple times.
That's kinda nitpicky tho
undone jacinth
he reached 100 rage like twice in the whole dungeon
I'm not gonna go that much more in to it but overall I don't think your getting enough value out of ur aoe dmg
your melee probably shouldn't be that high
hallow smelt
Any regularly pvp as prot for fun? I’m thinking of building the leaper legendary and running prot in RBGs on flag cap maps. I sit at 1800 CR right now but want to spice up my life. I imagine with leaper, the reduce CD to leap talent, the 3 sec stub leap talent, and the burning path talent you can move and cc really well.
signal plover
Prolly better off asking in #223972896219856896
grave prawn
So i have to go bolster and ravager, spam much more IP, DS and revenge
Do you have some logs i can compare?
undone jacinth
theres thousands of logs on the site
but like heres one in halls https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WNqDMpn9BQ4FkdzP#fight=8&type=damage-done
grave prawn
Thanks for the help ^^
undone jacinth
u see how his revenge and clap are higher
runic sphinx
Anyone know offhand a macro to use spear (Kyrian) on current target.
uneven mason
can't @target reticle abilities.
signal plover
Idk if offensive targeted aoe abilities can be used with @target cast macros
You may be able to do @self
I just use @cursor
runic sphinx
Dang it. Thats what i thought. But wanted 2 make sure
uneven mason
you can use @cursor or self
uneven mason
👏 dude needs a name change
modern brook
literally the same thing happened the last time this was brought up
uneven mason
but yeah, @-self is more for ravager
wooden spruce
hey guys! question, this trinket is up in Ardenweald; is it useful for prots even at high ilvl or the proc is too low as the coments state?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=181458/queensguards-vigil?bonus=6935#comments
topaz sparrow
modern brook
fair 😦
warm blaze
how do you guys like devastator? it feels so strange to play for me
jagged pier
honestly pressing devastate feels wrong now
royal sorrel
Lol i wanted to ask the same, was just playing around with punish and devastator. it feels so odd
modern brook
Devestator makes room on my bar for execute
it also gives my rsi a break which is nice
royal sorrel
thats nice i have to admit, but dont you guys have a bit downtime or am i missing smth?
modern brook
"yes"
but the "down time" is just shifted to your auto attack
the globals you do nothing while you aa are replacing the globals you did nothing while pressing devestate
its a net loss of who gives a shit
royal sorrel
true i guess
signal plover
I use the downtime to take a sip of my Bud Light and pet my Bald Eagle
royal sorrel
but beeing a ret paladin main and playing prot warrior as 2nd it feelt good to not have downtime. ret still sucks at some times, u just can do nothing sometimes
modern brook
hell yeah
jagged pier
thats nice i have to admit, but dont you guys have a bit downtime or am i missin...
dont have much downtime tbh and downtime isnt all that bad can us it to think of what your gunna do next
modern brook
its a net loss of who gives a shit
to clarify devestator isnt a loss or a break even; you gain a lot of "casts" of devestate since you're passively aa even when you're not waiting on CDs
signal plover
calling for pain supp so that I can execute on m huntsman
modern brook
which is why its generally ahead in every situation
I just wanted to point out that the "down time" people assoiate with devestator wasnt really doing anything for them anyways
any time you have to press devestate its a feels bad moment
Also they really shouldnt have named the talent that gets rid of devestate devestator.
warm blaze
is the proc rate noticeable for devastator?
warm blaze
yes
signal plover
I'd say so
modern brook
damage is on every aa, 1/5 gives a new ss
errant python
Yes I noticed it immediately
signal plover
Kinda depends on what you'd consider noticeable tho
royal sorrel
i would say so too
errant python
Which soulbind do you guys recommend for venthyr right now? Draven for sure when we unlock him but until then?
signal plover
Pelagos ;)
jagged pier
^^
errant python
Never heard of her. Sounds like a smurf
signal plover
Kleia's thighs reporting for duty
spare oracle
how do i use intervene in raid, do i have to be carfull bout casting?
signal plover
Don't use it on your cotank on sludgefist
jagged pier
you use it for mobility
signal plover
^
spare oracle
Don't use it on your cotank on sludgefist
dont?
jagged pier
you dont care about the defensive bit
uneven mason
is the proc rate noticeable for devastator?
The biggest thing you notice is not having to press the flaming dog turd that is Devastate
signal plover
I'd say about 90% of the time I use it to get somewhere
spare oracle
if you intervene and have shield wall up and sb shouldnt it be ok?
uneven mason
☝️ to what paw said
modern brook
The biggest thing you notice is not having to press the flaming dog turd that is...
its not even flaming
that'd do some fire damage at least
signal plover
if you intervene and have shield wall up and sb shouldnt it be ok?
Not rly worth the trade
modern brook
Devestate is a dog shit on your porch and if your shield slam rng is mean to you you have to stomp on it
spare oracle
if its already on though why not use it?
modern brook
if its already on though why not use it?
bcuz ur healers arent ignoring one guy on that fight
even if you have SW + block up ur gunna get trucked if you eat both halves of big punch
spare oracle
ah
modern brook
and now its an awkward shift for them
spare oracle
didnt think bout healer side
uneven mason
how do i use intervene in raid, do i have to be carfull bout casting?
The only time you might use intervene is if you're running Safeguard and they have a macro to remove the intervene buff before they get hit. Even then its super risky.
jagged pier
i literally use intervene for mobility nothing else
warm blaze
i solo tanked sludgefist in a norm pug for like 50% when my cotank died
modern brook
in which case intervening them defensively is a crutch and they'll never get better
warm blaze
was pretty epic
spare oracle
should warr always be main tank for sludge, they have been having my dh cotank as main
strong forum
doesnt make a difference
modern brook
IDT it matters tbh
jagged pier
does not matter
strong forum
both get hit for the same amount not matter who is main or offtnak
spare oracle
so the dmg isnt based off the dmg the main is taking?
modern brook
no
stark sage
we just have the tank that generates more threat keep him
modern brook
if it was based off the damage the main tank was taking you could probably solo tank it with enough haste
the 2nd hit would do like nothing after the intial block reductionand then the 2nd block reduction
ie: a bad mechanic
royal sorrel
is there an addon which screams at me when im overcapping/close to overcap? 😄
heady plaza
Anyone having issues killing the spirit thing on the last boss on DoS in 12+ keys as prot? I cant seem to kill it even with my healer
uneven mason
is there an addon which screams at me when im overcapping/close to overcap? 😄
overcap on what?
royal sorrel
rage sry
jagged pier
^^
uneven mason
but there are weak auras
signal plover
I have a little pink "DUMP" that comes up right near my char position
uneven mason
signal plover
But half the time I just poop my pants
nimble drift
in halls of atonement do the venthyr mc count towards %?
jagged pier
nope
undone jacinth
my record for worst dps ive played with has been smashed
a 1.1k dps 199 ilvl hunter
ionic fern
Sounds like me on my boomy
uneven mason
Betting he has a bag full of the lego items
undone jacinth
funnily enough there was a 1.7k dps boomkin
too
its the worst and 2nd worst
there was a dk doing 5k the poor guy
uneven mason
0 percentile DK at 5k
officially the worst DPS in that party
hunter at least could have been survival
uneven mason
That shouldn't be physically possible
undone jacinth
I know
I was literally spending the entire time
looking at combat log
trying to figure it out
from what I could tell he just literally did not press trueshot or double tap
a single time
and he was basically only auto attacking
10 minutes in I told him to press trueshot, double tap and aimed shot and he said "I will"
...he did not
undone jacinth
that's actually true
that's proper detective work
that's 100% what it was
playing alts makes me realise there must be playing in those kind of groups all the time
can't be fun
torpid granite
is or isnt rip soul eflectable?
uneven mason
on Huntsman?
torpid granite
yup
uneven mason
Its not, but you should SR anyway since it does shadow damage
jagged pier
it will reduce the damage it does to you
uneven mason
and the ghost is based on your HP after the cast
jagged pier
so the mob will have less health to heal
uneven mason
you can reduce that dmg down to the point where a blind warlock with bandages can heal it to full
SR + DS + IP + (SW/External)
I dunno if a paladins blessing of spellwarding would just negate it.
torpid granite
DS?
uneven mason
demo shout
fringe marten
Ikari, I thought that myself but are you sure? I reread the tooltip and we've downed it even on mythic (and I'm always the guy doing all the bear mechanics) and when I'm topped off, regardless of how 'hard' I mitigate soulrip...it's at the same lowest possible % hp. The tooltip indicates it's your HP when he uses the ability.
uneven mason
its ok, I get excited when I think about demo shout as well, especially 72% Uptime demoralizing shout @chilly brook
fringe marten
I'm still not 100% sure, so do you have concrete evidence that it's post cast?
chilly brook
fringe marten
Has anyone seen the add spawn at over 85% hp?
jagged pier
yer ive had it spawn at like 90ish
chilly brook
fringe marten
you're absolutely sure?
chilly brook
@fringe marten yes
jagged pier
100% sure yer
fringe marten
ok 90% (I took 85 from raid healers/lead..who just look at it)
ok so it does have a cap, you can't have it spawn at 100 and delete. I have it spawn at it's cap every time, and I can not even bother mitigating it...I've tried shieldwall/spell reflect/monk bubble.. just spell reflect, just shield wall...and nothing. and if I'm capped HP it pops out at the same HP.
fringe marten
Because I wanted to know the same thing so I just scienced it on a few heroic attempts.
uneven mason
its at cast, not post cast.
rather, before the dmg
had to dig into the logs
since I was assuming
so basically burning externals is meaningless
👍
good to know
chilly brook
I mean
uneven mason
for that
fringe marten
yeah as long as I was capped HP...that thing was at it's cap (which I thought was 85 because fkn raid lead said "oh it's always at 85? I guess that's the cap?)
uneven mason
its still DR
fringe marten
Sure to lower the damage OF the hit, so you're healthier so you can then charge back to boss (after shades, if it's a shades pop) then cleave more
chilly brook
Tbh soul rip doesnt hit that hard
fringe marten
But yeah: i just personally scienced it myself on a bunch of attempts where the tanking was solid..and the dps was still mong'ing...I of course didn't tell anyone I wasn't using cooldowns 😛
chilly brook
Theres no reason to pop CDs if the health doesnt matter post cast
fringe marten
No it doesn't, but knowing exactly how it worked did change how 'worried' I was about getting externals..etc during mythic prog. which was only like? 6 attempts
uneven mason
Oh hoho
mighty valley
Love fighting Mordretha
chilly brook
uneven mason
its post cast, had to dig a bit more, since most of these are chock full of people being fully loaded in CDs and topped off
chilly brook
Especially with this
chilly brook
Which makes me think that the % does matter post hit
uneven mason
and the add sapwned at 50%
fringe marten
I knew that as long as I was topped off, ghost was as weak as it could be...so I just got the mitigation beforehand so I could make sure his last couple autos didn't do squat, and then was at 100 as he cast rip.
chilly brook
and the add sapwned at 50%
Ye so it is post hit
uneven mason
we're just really good at mitigationg
chilly brook
The spell is just worded weird
fringe marten
Go test it yourself, you'll see. As long as when soul rip hits you, you're topped...the ghost is at it's max hp
chilly brook
I love it
chilly brook
Go test it yourself, you'll see. As long as when soul rip hits you, you're topp...
Uhhh the logs
Just showed
Its post hit
chilly brook
uneven mason
had to really dig into the details
chilly brook
Warrior is just really good at negating the ability
fringe marten
Not for 1 hit..every 25 seconds.
ionic fern
🤔
fringe marten
Yar, however; I do like the fact that they have allowed reflect to work on a ton more abilities, it just 'deflects' a lot of them.
chilly brook
Still pissed that they killed our fun on darkvein
chilly brook
Idk if they allowed it to work on more abilities