protection

[blazing condor]

do you use any other ability for filler damage then or does it not matter

it feels weird not spamming deva when between gcds

or cooldowns

[strong forum]

you have almost never dead gcds

between revenge tc ss and demo

[blazing condor]

yeah i guess

idk it feels slow af playing prot rn

maybe im just used to all azerite stuff

[strong forum]

feels just as fast

[jagged pier]

onto hungering mythic wish me luck

[west swan]

did they patch the spell reflect on hungering destroyed (expunge) - did it the whole fight as the explosion went off, didn't seem to do any dmg?

[ionic maple]

So is my thought process correct? With the wall build (shooting for less 1min cd) open on pull (trash or boss) so rage spent during fight reduces cd, and you have best defensive up while the most mobs are alive?

[toxic gyro]

Or just get ignore pain anima power and have perma wall 👍

[ionic maple]

Was thinking for m+

[toxic gyro]

Am is only good for lower keys, bolster is too strong and important in higher keys

[amber herald]

Any info on ? Good trinket?

Same for this

Just got them both from the raid lol

I've simmed and what I have equipped currently are best for dps, so I'm thinking from survivability point of view

[stuck oriole]

The spike aint bad its like 3 tikes effect as embalmers oil so itll be about 10% of your self heals over a dungeon

I like the shard on hard dungeons it keeps you up but if you dont die its kinda useless. I prefer the organ or drakkar trinket + anima emitter personally

But youll probably like that spike

[amber herald]

ty

I got a m14 anima emitter so I'll use that with spike

[barren socket]

so is stone legion goliath from the stone legion fight supposed to have mythic skills on hc?

ravenous feast and ravenous hunger

[warm plinth]

Don't think those are mythic skills; they always have those, even as trash mobs

[barren socket]

strange because in the adventure guide it shows mythic only

[warm plinth]

The Mythic skill is the soultaint effigy debuff stacks faster iirc

[barren socket]

hmmm

[ionic fern]

According to Tanknotes they are a Mythic mechanic.

[warm plinth]

Looks to be wrong because we take damage from ravenous hunger even on normal

[ionic fern]

🤷
Too lazy to check logs and i honestly can't remember.

[woven kiln]

so the trash before the council

you cannot tank them all at once

[tropic cobalt]

How do you guys live with the downtime. Like 4-5 secs if you cant afford to press revenge or dont have any rage. Drives me mad. My ilvl is only 170 but still. It pisses me off. Im not a slow ass DK.

[woven kiln]

I have close to 0 downtime. you have rotational problems

[mellow patio]

If you have that much downtime there’s an issue

[tropic cobalt]

Cant figure out what it is

[woven kiln]

it has to be the core rage generators not on cd

demo shout, SS, spear, rav, etc

[steel mauve]

i occasionally have downtime but its more like 1-2 seconds, no where near 5

[fallow mortar]

anyone mind looking at my m+ logs and seeing where I can improve? (can dm the link if you prefer)

[tropic cobalt]

i can sometimes sit and stare at Thunderclap counting down from 4 secs. Maybe im not using revenge enough.

[woven kiln]

what talents are you running?

[tropic cobalt]

The Ravenger build

Ravager even

[woven kiln]

with booming voice?

[tropic cobalt]

ye Devastaator - Booming - Crackling - Ravager

[woven kiln]

cool

before diving into logs

run another M+ making sure that ravenger, demo shout, SS and TC are all on CD, at all times. It's not optimal, but you should be swimming in rage

[tropic cobalt]

Ill try. Ive stuggled a bit since SL came out. Tanked all BFA. Devastator takes some getting used to as well 🙂

[woven kiln]

it does feel different to spamming devastate

I remember feeling very odd in legion and like there was huge downtime cause no GCD locked spam

[marble cipher]

i just realized that a super easy reasonable fix for venthyr would be for condemn to function like fury, a builder with a cd for prot

derp D:

[jagged pier]

was mentioned many times in beta

[ionic fern]

Alpha*

[jagged pier]

and that

[ionic fern]

But yes.

🙂

[marble cipher]

sad days

[jagged pier]

imagine fury WW, or they just add it to TC next 2 ST spells hit 5 targets would be nice

[acoustic stratus]

god sludgefist hurts

[thin cape]

Why do all my homies complain about warrior tanks? I feel mega tanky and now that I’m running bolster+ravager+conduit, I do mega dps in M+

[steel mauve]

a bad prot warrior is very prevalent and stands out much more than most of the other specs with the exception of possibly a bdk

[wild hollow]

Some prot warriors never use Ignore Pain

[thin cape]

Lmao what

[jagged pier]

you using externals?

[limpid burrow]

i use too much ignore pain

[steel mauve]

and if they havent actually had a prot war tank for them, then they are just parroting the worthless tier list youtubers are putting out that actually offer little value to wow

[thin cape]

Pls be jk skippy

[wild hollow]

I should know. I dont use Ignore Pain

[thin cape]

Y u do this

[wild hollow]

So I can make a video about how worthless prot warriors are

[thin cape]

😦

[safe sable]

I use ignore ignore pain

[jagged pier]

dont forget to sit at 100 rage and say you cant mitigate damage

[safe sable]

Dude I need to save my rage for execute

[wild hollow]

How do you have rage for Execute while spamming Revenge on a boss?

[thin cape]

True

Man you can pull some crazy deeps with avatar+booming voice + ravager + spear + revenge spam

[wild hollow]

For real though. I run arms sometimes when I just want to chill and I see many warriors not using Ignore Pain. Its weird. They shield block but dont use Ignore Pain

[thin cape]

I’ve been learning to use Shield Block and Ignore Pain less in favour of revenge now that I’m pushing +10 keystones

Trying to optimize them

[wild hollow]

As long as you aint dying you do you booboo

[thin cape]

Yeah that’s pretty much what I’ve been trying to figure out: how often can I push Revenge without dying?

[safe sable]

I think that's because the icy veins guide says that shield block is better than ignore pain. So they are just like "I'll just use shield block on cooldown, since it's so good I don't need anything else, the healer can fill the gaps between SB uptime and I'll just spend the rest of my rage on revenge"

[thin cape]

I wish the icy veins and wowhead guides had some more advanced sections or updates

They were super helpful for me when I started but I had to come here and sift through chat logs to really get some questions answered

[jagged pier]

you say that but legit in beta some person made a tank comparison and was like prot is shit cant do anything, while sitting at 100% rage in the clips

[thin cape]

That hurts me inside lol

It feels like all the tanks are really balanced this time around

[jagged pier]

they are

[wild hollow]

Nah prot warrior pew-pew better

[limpid burrow]

dks feel very weak atm

[thin cape]

Dude once I figured out you could spam revenge during ravager my DPS went sky high

Poor DK 😦

I actually have not played with a bear druid yet, I should probably level one to see how they do

Monk, DH, and Paladin all feel wicked strong just based on the people I’ve played with

[safe sable]

I freaking hate the high M+ kiting meta though

It doesn't feel like tanking

[undone jacinth]

what level keys are u doing

[thin cape]

Feels really good to have a big bucket of aggro and leap away to watch the mobs slowly get cleaved by your dps though

I find now that with necrotic, I actually have some breathing room because I can sit away from mobs and wait for my buttons to come off CD

[torpid granite]

is there a way to look at logs and determine which tank i take the least amount of dmg on?
i guess there is no good metric

[undone jacinth]

damage taken...

[lavish oracle]

External healing required is probably a better metric for raid, at least

[undone jacinth]

definitely not

if ur trying to find out who's taking more damage, damage taken is pretty unbeatable

[restive flax]

guys I dont really understand how Necrotic works because it randomly falls off during pulls... do blocked attacks apply stacks?

[hallow phoenix]

A bdk taking more damage and healing it up real quick is very different from a war taking a bit less but still a lot of damage

EHRPS is a very decent metric

[young glen]

There are people comparing "Healing Done" in WCL for tanks.

What the what

[hallow phoenix]

If you get lucky with parries it can fall off

[last mason]

Haven’t had a single group capable of doing Hakkar this week, not to mention the rest of the dungeon

[young glen]

What key?

[restive flax]

It just happens all the time so I was confused^^

[hallow phoenix]

People tunnel so hard on hakkar

[last mason]

A fucking 12 lol, so low

Yes exactly

There’s like 3 adds up

I die, and ego mage who’s tunneling rage whispers me after

Meanwhile the mage didn’t even lust

[restive flax]

I had people carry the debuff to other people for some reason

they were of the opinion that it needed to be soaked

[last mason]

People are just so bad at the game

ESP in my io bracket

[muted pendant]

Rogue at manastorm kept doing the bombs with shadowfury debuff in my +10

[last mason]

Because it’s the breakpoint where the people who got carried by gear start failing due to mechanics actually having to be executed bc stuff lives longer

[muted pendant]

We all die.
Before that resto duid falls down from the oil so we lose the pride buff

[vernal rain]

any1 knows how to create a weak aura that messages the group right after I effectively spell reflected (including the dmg #)?

[undone jacinth]

pls dont do that

lol

[strong forum]

Yeah spamming chat with reflected stuff is

[undone jacinth]

I interrupted a Spell!!!

Nomeratur got hit by [Melee Attack]!

[steel mauve]

ya, that sounds really annoying lol

[warm plinth]

I must be in the minority. I never read chat so I wouldn't care lol

[steel mauve]

i have a few different tabs with all my chats and keep them in that tab when doing content

like a tab for party/group chat and keeping that tab open, some times people type in chat especially when pugging

[vernal rain]

I only run mythic plus with friends, this is about teaching them that spell reflects work and makes a difference. Just like announcing unnecessary damage taken, it is feedback that helps people improve and coordinate.

[pastel dew]

Idk if I'm doing something wrong but... should I be getting obliterated by mobs @ ilevel 198 on a 10 DOS?

Or is it a fools dream to even bother trying to do M+ as Prot atm?

[muted pendant]

Nah - especially not in a tyrannical week - either you’re doing the priority wrong, bad timing for CDs, the group is not kicking (even though it’s not that bad of they miss a kick in +10 when it’s not fortified), your healer is bad, or you get too many necrotic stacks etc.

It could be a lot of things

[pastel dew]

Idk man. running in and getting fucking mauled

in .5 seconds

is fucking absurd.

[muted pendant]

What pack exactly?

[pastel dew]

before hakkar room

hakkar "hallway"

sorry

[muted pendant]

That’s what I thought.
This week the inspiring raptor in that pack needs to be nuked so that your group can kick the cultist and deathspeaker and that you can actually cc/stun them

I just told my dps to nuke him and my Dudu to give me iron bark a few seconds in. But bark wasn’t even necessary since I had all my CDs ready and we still had a little pride buff left

As soon as the raptor is dead your dps should focus kick scribe from the cultist and the deathspeaker (shadowcore I think) - also if you have purge in your group they should purge the haste buff from the deathspeaker if they haven’t kicked it (whichever mob was buffed by him) Don’t kick dark lotus since you can just avoid that by moving.

[amber herald]

80% certain nightfae jar works through inspiring

so can use that if there's a nf in your party

[muted pendant]

It does

Same as spear in SoA

[pastel dew]

Apparently 198 ilevel can't do 10s.

[muted pendant]

There’s no urn near that pack

[pastel dew]

[amber herald]

nah

[astral crystal]

it does

[amber herald]

definitely can

[astral crystal]

oops

but yeah the urn works 100%

[amber herald]

There's an urn near that pack it's before the 2nd to last pack

in the corner

usually if you're in a pug some numpty triggers it for the 2nd to last pack though

[pastel dew]

Well... maybe I need to revisit the class again

Because I can't do it right.

:v

[muted pendant]

We use that for the big red guys rage since it’s dealing a lot of damage

[amber herald]

Sorry are we talking about the pack in the corridor before hakkar?

or the pack before the stairs leading to hakkar

[muted pendant]

Now I’m confused as well - but yes, inside the hallway, before the last trash pack before hakkar, there is an urn. We used that for the devoted so they can’t turn. The last pack we just cc’ed the inspiring priest and LOS the two melees and one hexer. We then killed the priest together with the manifestation

[amber herald]

Ok makes sense now

[tepid barn]

BiS Wep enchant?

[stuck oriole]

lot of people run lightless force but i like ascended vigor for higher keys

[undone jacinth]

he was talking about the pack before the hakkar hallway

the big deathspeaker one

with no urn

is very rough

[pastel dew]

I literally get trucked

.5 seconds after pulling that pack

every

fucking

time

(Sorry for language)

[undone jacinth]

I just last stand block, spell reflect and wall on pull and basically hope my hunter kills the inspiring mob before I die

maybe wall a few seconds in

[muted pendant]

In addition to revisit the guide on icy-veins it maybe helpful for you to watch a good prot warrior tanking high keys - for example Sense from Nurfed, you’ll find him on YouTube. He even did DOS+15 this week iirc

Yes, you probably don’t have his group, but you can see what spells he’s using when

[muted pendant]

This - you should have all your CDs for that pack ready. Also don’t forget CDs of your group. They should use all their damage CDs as wel

Not bloodlust though

[astral crystal]

first big pack i usually only use last stand, healer external

second big pack i use my wall/reflect/demo/whatever else

[lusty marsh]

holy shit the soulforge sucks this week

this dot is insane

[distant crystal]

any healing anima powers are bis in there this week

[chilly brook]

Is it the %health?

I didn't have much problem with it but I also got the big dog boi that gives you 15% strength and 5% hp back every so often

[lusty marsh]

Yeah, I should've taken that one leech

I've got ignore pain shield wall up but 10% hp loss per 5 is destroying me

can barely eat through it

[woven trellis]

so

184 haste versatility or 194 crit mastery

?

its so depressing to drop a crit mastery piece

[undone jacinth]

194

wouldn’t worry about your drops while ur still gearing

[lusty marsh]

stats are stats

[woven trellis]

500iq

iq is iq

[lusty marsh]

okay, if you want to take it that way.

[woven trellis]

im just teasing dw

it just doesnt say a lot to say that, but no offence

but yeah ill probably wear them anyway

[undone jacinth]

think the point is stats are nowhere near as important as ur making out

u just need the ilvl to get to higher content

[chilly brook]

^big facts

Ilvl and good play

Good play is the biggest factor

Your ilvl won't help you if you get clapped because you're not playing properly

[tepid barn]

sorry i think i missed it before, did you say lightless force was BiS weapon enchant?

[undone jacinth]

celestial imo

[tepid barn]

so is this more like a preference thing?

[undone jacinth]

one enchant does aoe dmg, one enchant does ST damage, one enchant makes u survive more and one enchant does all 3

[tepid barn]

I see

Hmmm

[chilly brook]

Lightless force I think summed higher for me so that's why I took it

[undone jacinth]

For aoe dps

[astral crystal]

the one that makes you take more healing is pretty bad

[cinder frigate]

Do people tend to play around with specs, conduits, etc. quite a bit as they start getting to higher level mythic keys? Was considering a spec to greatly lower shockwave CD to help with necrotic...should I be doing that, or sticking more with cookie cutter specs?

[astral crystal]

for necrotic the best thing you can do is go kleia

and take the node that makes you immune to the shit you cleanse for 8 seconds

after using pot

[cinder frigate]

Yeah, I have that as well

I think you can get wave down to something like 20 seconds too.. just thought it might be interesting to try

[undone jacinth]

still a pretty junk spell and you only really want to use it once per fight max anyway

u don’t lose much by trying it but it’s probably not the play

[cinder frigate]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. One of those nice 'hey, wonder if this helps' kind of things

[undone jacinth]

you’re likely much better off just asking one of ur group members to put their slow on their bars

but shockwave does get better the worse your group is

[sick sentinel]

What are your thoughts on the „Gluttonous Spike“ trinket from hungering destroyer ?

[chilly brook]

My thoughts are to sim it

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

And how do you sim a defensive trinket

[nimble drift]

it heals okay

I had it and just replaced it with the stone legion trinket

[amber herald]

I just got it and someone said it would heal for 10% of their healing done over a dungeon

so not bad

[sick sentinel]

Thank you guys

[tepid barn]

how often does the raider io site update? still not showing my SD run from earlier today

[sick sentinel]

Log out and then press the „update character „ button

Takes a few minutes sometimes

[tepid barn]

Cool thanks, just did it

but it didnt record my SD run for earlier.. how come lol

shows ive never completed SD

[steady spruce]

Bolster and Ravager still good choice with Thunderlord or kinda dumb?

[novel field]

am i meant to pop SW and LS on first boss on spires to not get clapped?

[amber herald]

that's the preferred choice for m+ right now

[amber herald]

you mean her slam? you need to watch her energy bar when she reaches 100 energy she does her big slam

so if you start running as she starts to reach 100 energy you'll dodge it and take less damage

[novel field]

omg ok

[amber herald]

but it's really weird where if you run too soon she'll just follow you and not do it

and then you stop

and she slams you lol

[steady spruce]

ty saugerolls of wisdom

[open monolith]

RIP NWBZPWNR :(

[open bluff]

F

[copper lion]

i feel like I am getting destroyed with necrotic on packs with only 10 stacks of it

and my healers was doing sub 2k hps on each pull

healer

[lapis tapir]

is ilvl still the way to decide gear or at some point i should focus on getting haste/vers?

[strong forum]

Ilvl is always King

[strong forum]

Idk in some situations I went up to 40 stacks and felt fine

So both of you must be doing smth wrong

[copper lion]

i mean i pull in with demo and avatar then just use my mitigation

[strong forum]

Well if you didnt do anything wrong you wouldn't struggle with 10 stacks would you

Gotta be fair to yourself

[stray knot]

Sup folks

Is protection the best spec to solo thorghast?

Or fury? Arms?

[strong forum]

Prot is by far the easiest for torghast

[stray knot]

Tyvm

[copper lion]

can you avoid the frontal on the first boss in SoA?

[strong forum]

No

Only parry/dodge

U used to be able to sidestep half of the dmg

Now you can't avoid any part of its dmg anymore, but it's less damage than the full amount pre-fix

[nova vector]

Never paid attention. Do MC’d gargoyles in Halls count for %?

[wicked lantern]

Nope

[woven trellis]

is Bladedancers armor kit usable or its rly bad?

[west coyote]

do your guys talent setup differ from m+ to raiding?

[lavish oracle]

hilariously bad, @woven trellis

[west coyote]

i was think unstoppable force and anger management for raids

bolster and ravager for m+?

storm bolt for m+ as well

thoughts

[lavish oracle]

probably wanna use ITF or ravager over UF

[ocean bloom]

is there an easy way to see if one of my defensives were available at a certain time in WCL?

[steady spruce]

Check the last time you used it

[exotic pewter]

You'll probably need bolster for raid too, because we tend to have some windows without shield block, where the bolster can really save you. This is specially important on Council and Sludgefist. Bolster for m+ always.

Hey guys, is thunderlord our best m+ legendary, right?

[clever bronze]

Legendary - The Wall. Shoulder or Back? I'd assume Shoulder.

[exotic pewter]

I have shoulder wall too

But mostly for raid

On m+ I've been having better results with Thunderlord boots

(Haste/versa on both)

[final axle]

Just started m+. Does anyone have a video clip or place to find some vids on war tank in m+? Running into things like not getting aggro fast enough or taking too high smg on pull that will wreck me in higher keys, hoping to get some insight watching someone else

[rough depot]

Sense has a lot of 15+ dungeon videos on YouTube. Just look up Sense pwarr, should come up.

[final axle]

Thank you, saw his logs but can't seem to watch them on mobile

[heady birch]

How much haste, is too much haste?

[undone sun]

200%

[sweet surge]

Guys, Mueh'zala's Soulcrusher DoT seems to be bugged AF and doing abnormally high damage. Am I wrong? I took 150K Soulcrusher dmg from a +16 Mueh'zala and 351K from his DoT. As per the Dungeon Journal, the DoT itself is based on the damage Soulcrusher did to you, so active mitigation should mitigate the DoT as well? As in, blocks, abosrbs, etc?

[dark fog]

I just did a HoA +2 and it didnt count in the vault, does anyone know why?

or is it summed up at the end of the week

[sweet surge]

Vault interface is buggy AF. Did you deplete? I've known it to be wonky on depletes with the count. Otherwise might just take a few minutes to update perhaps?

[dark fog]

whats deplete

[sweet surge]

Means you didn't do the key in time

[dark fog]

no i did it in time

oh i relogged and it worked

nvm

[sweet surge]

cool

[dark fog]

bro my heart was about to break

[sweet surge]

i feel ya

[sweet summit]

Yeah its slow to update

[limpid pawn]

is war tank bis for hungering destroyer?

[modern gale]

Its bis for being an absolute alpha

[fossil summit]

So Ive now been playing Prot Warrior tank for weeks and I think Im addicted

Its so fun

And I still am usually at the top of the DPS chart which is both funny but also kind of infuriating sometimes

But the mobility and damage mitigation you have, and also your own damage are all insane I legit dont understand why people say its bad

Like sure its more punishing but its so much more fun and interactive than Prot Pally

[final axle]

Who says its bad?

[fossil summit]

Idk all the tier lists and stuff I see put it at last, tho that was the day I started playing it,

Nathria had just come out back then

So maybe it changed since then

Its just that basically I was a Hunter and me and my Rouge friend got tired of random tanks and healers fucking us over so I started tanking and he started healing, turns out Im a way better tank than I thought

Yo are there any really good Prot Warrior content creators with Youtube vids and if possible that also stream that do alot of Mythic+ Dungeons and have guides and stuff?

Because Im discovering a a handful of streamers who do competitive M+ Keystones like +18s and stuff but none of them are tank mains

[fossil valley]

sense nurfed on youtube

[fossil summit]

I see, thanks!

[safe pier]

Does Potion of Soul Purity get rid of Necrotic stacks?

[fringe marten]

Phial of Serenity? or ..what else do you mean?

[safe pier]

nah im venthir so no magic butler pill for me. Im looking for another way to help shed some necrotic stacks.

the "Potion of Soul Purity" looked like it might do it. Just wondered if anyone here knew.

after CC and leaps etc

[fringe marten]

Oh the alchemy pot; umm? I'm not sure but it would also eat your buff pot (str pot or phantom fire)

You could race change 🙂

But I haven't tested that soul purity thing so I couldn't comment.

[safe pier]

ill buy some and test. Will post here how i go.

[sweet summit]

It does not

Necrotic is a bleed

[errant python]

Does anybody know if condemn applies a debuff that reduces ALL damage from the target or just physical?

[fringe marten]

Ohh boo

[serene valve]

are there any prot warriors pushing keys.. pretty shuib is #1 and just rerolled DH

with stream i mean

[sweet summit]

All damage taken from that target

[lavish oracle]

@serene valve I think shuib just plays a lot of tanks

[flint cliff]

Is the pvp shield for 450 conquest points upgradeable with honor points without a pvp ranking?

[lavish oracle]

Nah, you need to be ranked to upgrade conq gear

I've been on the hunt for a 2 hander so I can do 2s as arms

Viscera of Coalesced Hatred seems...okay

[jagged pier]

its alright

[lavish oracle]

3% overall healing and ~2.5% overall damage in a necrotic wake 11 and a plaguefall 10

could be worse

[spare cobalt]

not as good as those guys but ive done a few 17s now

[lavish oracle]

Anyone else hate the tyrannical last boss of necrotic wake? I feel like that shit takes so long

[pale lotus]

Second boss on necro wake destroys my groups. Any advice?

Focus adds but what gets kill prio? Mages?

Last boss is okay for me because nothing crazy happens

[lavish oracle]

We did CDs/lust first add phase and coordinated kicks so they'd group

And then we used orb 2nd

Boss was basically dead by the third add phase

The last boss isn't hard, just incredibly long

One thing that helps me on 2nd boss is tanking it near the stairs to limit the space adds have to spawn

Makes them easier to group up

[severe pond]

If you keep the adds on CC when the boss casts they dont do damage. CC the 2 mages, grab aggro from warriors and bring to crossbow add

I’ll try to find a clip, one sec

https://clips.twitch.tv/BigUgliestDogeBrainSlug

[round vortex]

I got over 1k this week. Timed a few 14’s and a 15. It’s super doable. Learning to kite is a huge benefit

[lavish oracle]

Oh, that's pretty interesting @severe pond

Also, grats, Baratus

I think all the tanks are in a pretty good spot right now

But like every other fotm class, DH just produces the same or better results for less effort

So anyone who's looking to push world first keys is going to be using it

And then that feeds into community perception

[vestal moat]

I’ve plugged my way to 1100 as prot but don’t really get invited to 15s and 16s.

Pugged

[spare cobalt]

i get filtered from invites cause not dh at 1430

i feel you

[lavish oracle]

Probably a good point to try and find a consistent group or at least 1 or two people to run with on the regular

[vestal moat]

Yep that’s my plan.

Lack of gear progression from keys is a big deterrent though .

[silver trout]

yeah.

like, timewalking uldar is a loot pinata

but friggen mythic keys are not a path of gear progression

[chilly brook]

It's not even just gear

I've done like 15 keys this week

And I'm still renown 15

Where my catchup at blizz

[silver trout]

ouch

I've been thinking bout switching from venithyr to the night fae but the catch-up seems like it's so bad

[nimble drift]

or

3ilvl can't POSSIBLY be better than those stats

[mellow patio]

Prob not on gloves but I’d have to math it out

I rarely take a 3 ilvl upgrade over ideal stats

At least on low stat budget items

[fringe marten]

Alright, what the ACTUAL Fk just happened. 100%..absolutely every single time Muezalah casts soul crusher I've had spell reflect up. and it negates that mechanic. I just did a key with an oceanic group, and just died because it was just under 3 seconds away from refresh.

Is that an actual ping/delay issue? In every SINGLE key ever with normal US groups, it's up every single soul crusher.

It's just never happened before, I don't know what's up?

[chilly brook]

The catchup isn't bad tbh

Just annoying because it doesnt seem to be a guaranteed drop

[fringe marten]

the whole dungeon fealt like I was having to MASH my globals through mud...I get that, i've played with aussies plenty of times. But that delay on spell reflect just killed that key because ? it's always up..ALWAYS. What just happened?

[chilly brook]

More stats>better stats

Your stats won't matter that much

[fringe marten]

Has anyone else ever had that issue; where spell reflect wasn't up for a Soul crusher in DoS?

Then on a the second pull it was 2 seconds away, and I had to physically dodge soul crusher.

[undone jacinth]

don’t think muehzalas spell queueing is consistent and reflect doesn’t negate the mechanic anyway just halves the dmg

[chilly brook]

Its every other consistently for me

[fringe marten]

It takes the DOT away.

[chilly brook]

And ye

[undone jacinth]

yeh that’s half

[fringe marten]

You block the physical part and negate it to nothing

then you deflect the part that HURTS

so the mechanic is a joke

[undone jacinth]

the dot is based on the dmg u take

so it’s always half

[fringe marten]

Right but it's not physical, so it's not filtered by armor.

[undone jacinth]

? Lol

[fringe marten]

I thought it was shadow damage?

or is the dot physical, with a purple icon?

[chilly brook]

Cant hurt if he didnt hit you that hard in the first place

[undone jacinth]

yes shadow dmg equal to the physical dmg u already mitigated

[chilly brook]

Whatever you get hit for is what the dot is

[undone jacinth]

so it’s always half

[chilly brook]

So just mitigate

And spell reflect every other

[fringe marten]

Right that I know; but either way..the reflect has been up 100% of the time, every single time I've run dos

[chilly brook]

It's honestly a low damage intake boss

[fringe marten]

I've never EVER had that happen.

[chilly brook]

I've never had it 100%

Always every other

[undone jacinth]

his spell queueing isn’t consistent but I have no way of verifying what ur saying

I doubt u do either

[fringe marten]

Ok, that's all I wanted to know..it's possible for him to decide to cast it before something else and queue a couple seconds earlier.

[undone jacinth]

he does 3-4 crushers per cycle, I would be very surprised if it’s possible to have reflect for all of them

[fringe marten]

So that just confirms that in the bunch of times I've run it before this I've gotten lucky'ish with his ability queue.

[astral orbit]

I need a imba route for Tyrannical Halls of Atonement +13

[fringe marten]

I've never not..literally. So I honestly assumed it was hard locked to the same refresh timer as Spell reflect.

[astral orbit]

Anyone with an imba one?

[undone jacinth]

the likelihood is you are just incorrect but again you would need to have logs

Daniel just go in MDT and make 60% count before first boss, continuing clearing til 78% then stealth to 2nd boss and pull the gargoyle

[fringe marten]

It's possible dolphin; that some have snuck through and I never noticed it because I had it blocked anyway..but my recollection is that I've always been able to have a reflect up for it. Either way it's obvious it's not possible 100% of the time. So the likelyhood is you're right, and I've just not noticed.

[chilly brook]

Again seriously doubt you've been able to reflect every single one

Sometimes you just crit block and it literally does nothing

[fringe marten]

Right; and knowing that he can cycle it before you could have one up makes me believe that's right. My recollection was simply that I'd always had it up..doesn't mean I was remembering exactly correctly. This is why people record themselves, and improve with it.. when they thought something had happened but in fact didn't, or they just misplayed it..etc.

The entire reason to come here and ask "am I wrong..or have I always had spell reflect up for every soul crusher" the answer was I was wrong, and probably haven't..and never noticed until it became an issue.

[patent sluice]

I just got my timewalk item and it was the Macabre Sheet Music, I‘m not sure if it is good or not as you need to move to get to the ghosts

[chilly brook]

Should be fine

[fringe marten]

?! You can get current tier raid items from..wrath time walking?

[chilly brook]

They can be a pain to see

[chilly brook]

From the weekly quest yes

[patent sluice]

It was a weekly

[chilly brook]

You always have been able to

[astral orbit]

ANYONE with a very very GOOD route for halls of Atonement +13 THIS week??

[chilly brook]

I just did the same one I've always done

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Worked twice for the 2 13s I've done for HoA

Although it would likely have been easier if I had adjusted around necrotic

Dropping down with necrotic and not having any real room to kite was a bad idea

[fringe marten]

I haven't dropped off that ledge after shard of halkias 2 for a while...I don't like it, I jump kitty corner toward bottom of stairs.

then you can fight inward; get a garg...and it's just easier.

and you ultimately deal with 1 less hunter/bear trio

[undone jacinth]

you kinda need to if u want an efficient 60 count before boss

so u can avoid the patrols

[fringe marten]

Yeah but it's the shards you'll need pride for every fort week; or

or 'could' use them for.

[undone jacinth]

it’s tyrannical week and u don’t need pride for the shards

on fort

[fringe marten]

But that particular boss is very easy; you can still have a chunk of pride left after clearing the pack before him. worked ok for me so far, I don't know if it would hold up higher. But I can't imagine halkias at some point becomes a huge problem.

[chilly brook]

Eh

I mean

Doesnt matter if hes easy

Its tyrannical

Bosses have more health

Waste more time

Etc.

And killing him fast is the play anyways so it doesnt get messy

[undone jacinth]

point is neither of them are a problem and you will get the full pride buff for the whole boss fight but probably won’t get it for a full shard

it’s usually gonna be better to have it on a boss unless u actually need it on the trash

[muted pendant]

Also don’t forget to use BL for a big pull in the beginning since it takes more than 10min until first boss

I’ve a route for pride for every shard (fort) but only 2nd and 3rd boss and a route for pride on every boss. Also I tried to avoid most inspiring trash packs this week

But I’m on mobile right now

[fringe marten]

Pull 2 is our lust pull early on.. 2 vamps, bear patrol is pull 1...pull 2 is everything except the casters directly in front of halkias shard 1, then Line of sight behind the little area behind the gargoyle on the right to force it all in, and go ham.

[undone jacinth]

you can lust a triple pack at the start then have the gargoyle kill the 2nd pull for you

also lets ur dps use their cds at the start

[crimson tiger]

hey guys, when spell reflecting sinseeker on huntsman does he take damage from it or it just deflects the dot?

[undone jacinth]

just deflects

[crimson tiger]

much appreciated

[undone jacinth]

np there’s a reflect guide in pins if u need it in future

[honest plinth]

ill show you mine in few mins

after red pack with golem you are doing pack before 1st boss

for pride

after you farm yellow pack

green one with near staairs

and pull one small green pack to prock pridde

and skip for 2nd boss

[eternal musk]

is the timewalking reward 200 ilvl or 213 ?

[sweet summit]

200

[eternal musk]

thank you 😄

[muted pendant]

I would pull a gargoyle on the stairs to 2nd boss and skip that small pack so you have no downtime with pride

[undone jacinth]

that’s what I do

you can pull the pack next to the gargoyle instead too

[muted pendant]

Both works

[muted pendant]

Also be aware that the hunter in your yellow pull is inspiring this week. That’s why I don’t do them

[undone jacinth]

it’s not really as issue on tyran

[muted pendant]

With my friends it’s okay with pugs I want as few inspiring pulls as possible 😂

[undone jacinth]

the only pull I’d consider changing with inspiring is the triple dogs after 2nd boss

even that’s probably fine though

[muted pendant]

I just run if they don’t focus kill the inspiring (looking at speed potion)

Because there’s so much space to actually kite

[undone jacinth]

they’ll run too fast if the inspiring is near them but it just takes 1 person to slow it

[patent cairn]

How to add trinket in WA ? In indications I see only spells

[ornate kayak]

Hi dont [Ravager] and [Signet of Tormented Kings] work for prott?

i dont get any extra buff when i use ravager

[jagged pier]

different spell ids

to fury and arms so it doesnt work for us

[ornate kayak]

sound strage tbh should work :/

[jagged pier]

we dont know, it did for a bit on beta then didnt again, thiing is for other specs ravager replaces baldestorm where ours is a different spell, so its probably just picking up the bladestorm spell id thats changed and not the stand alone ravager. but we dont know if its intended or a bug or somthing they havent fixed, but anyway its not our best leggo more of a meme one

[ornate kayak]

cheers for info ❤️ need to craft a tank lego.

[jagged pier]

you dont need to

any leggo and any cov

will get you to do a 14/15 key tbh

but if you push thats where the problem will be

[ornate kayak]

naa its just my 3rd spec tbh

[jagged pier]

then i wouldnt bother to craft a tank tbh

[ornate kayak]

true 🙂

[zenith monolith]

Do people still use Ravager instead of Fray in dungs ?

tried Fray today, felt really good

[undone jacinth]

ye

[zenith monolith]

can anyone tell me why plz ?

[undone jacinth]

damage

rage

consistency

[zenith monolith]

would fray be considered more defensive if needed ?

[undone jacinth]

not really

[zenith monolith]

ok thx 🙂

[undone jacinth]

it might be a little more but it’s not a dramatic change or consistent

[zenith monolith]

but we use Fray in raids though right ?

[undone jacinth]

you still have options but it’s a better choice in raid because it’s more consistent

[silk crane]

hey friends, any idea what i should run for 2 endurance conduits for strictly M+?

[zenith monolith]

thanks !

[sweet summit]

Unnerving focus/brutal vitality/stalwart guardian

[muted pendant]

Ravager is just so nice for threat gen as well - throw it into the next pack before you're even there

[undone jacinth]

that’s because of the damage 😉

[muted pendant]

obviously

[amber herald]

ravager is also hitcapped at 8 instead of 5

kinda nice

[chilly brook]

I'd run stalwart guardian and unnerving focus, more impactful than brutal vitality imo

Ymmv

[sweet summit]

Wtf is ymmv

[chilly brook]

Your mileage may vary

[sweet summit]

[muted pendant]

haha never heard that

[chilly brook]

[muted pendant]

sounds like something a car dealer would tell u

[chilly brook]

Just the best phrase I could use regarding the conduits

Some might find brutal vitality more impactful

[astral orbit]

Hey a question, does Hunter frosttrap put you in combat?

Because I did a mist 13 just now, and we tried to skip the pack at the shrooms with frosttrap but as soon as the trap ran out

They charged us

[undone jacinth]

it does yeah

[astral orbit]

Lol I had no idea

[undone jacinth]

so does all cc

[astral orbit]

Thought it didn't

Cage doesn't

DH cage

[undone jacinth]

Apart from sap and prison

[runic sphinx]

With a covenant choice of ether kyrian or night fea. I assume Kyrian is better because of the potions? And night fea for dmg and rage generated?

[astral orbit]

Nah Kyrian is better for rage too

[undone jacinth]

kyrian is better for potion and reliability

[jagged pier]

NF is higher rage gen on 2+ targets

[undone jacinth]

fae is better for specific pack situations and damage in some cases

[astral orbit]

Yeah but single target Kyrian is better rage gen

[undone jacinth]

fae also probably got better soulbinds

[runic sphinx]

Im trying to pick which one 2 do. And honestly im leaned 2 night fea. Only because my paladin is already Kyrian and id like 2 have 1 of each covenant

But its gotta be worth it

[muted pendant]

Just let the hunter run through first and feign death after everyone else has

[undone jacinth]

well it depends what worth it means to u

u will be able to do all content with both

[muted pendant]

or cc with monky and kick the cced mob away with ring of peace to have enough distance from the mob and not get aggro (ring of peace is not aggroing)

[runic sphinx]

@undone jacinth worth it in the since of being able 2 do content and not feel like if i was "insert covenant" this wouldn't be this hard. Or even i cant tank this because im not that covenant

Which you already answered. So thanks

[undone jacinth]

the phial will objectively make tanking easier but if u wanna be a fairy just do it and u can make that work

the most important thing is always ur play not ur cov

[honest plinth]

you lose like 10-12 seconds of pride and yoi lose ore if you take garg also you should wait sometimes for gargs desinc. but uptime with pride on boss wil be lower ye. but its fine for me.

[undone jacinth]

u don’t need to take gargoyle and ur losing the time literally running across the room... ur route just slower but it’s not a big difference

much prefer having as much pride as possible for that horrible 2nd boss though

[honest plinth]

im not doin high keys for 14 hoa 48 secs of pride for pride is enough my group is killing it with no probs

[undone jacinth]

yeah just unnecessary loss of time

[honest plinth]

I would pull a gargoyle on the stairs-that’s what I do-u don’t need to take gargoyle

also i dont get it

[undone jacinth]

u can pull a gargoyle or u can pull the little packs to it’s side depending on if u have better st or aoe dmg

[muted pendant]

together the mobs have a little less HP than the one gargoyle. The gargoyle u dont have to kick - good for pugs

[exotic pewter]

So you guys what are prefering for m+; thunderlord or the wall?

I've been checking the top prot warriors on raider io and its divided... some are running with the wall shoulders and others with thunderlord boots...

[undone jacinth]

doesn’t really matter

[exotic pewter]

😮

[undone jacinth]

shocking I know

wall if u wanna be extra safe

TL if u want a bit more defense and dmg

[exotic pewter]

Cause I wanna check which one should I focus to upgrade first

[undone jacinth]

upgrades don’t really matter too much either, just whichever one you prefer using

[exotic pewter]

Thx

Then I'll stick with thunderlords

haste/versa boots seems harder to get too

[undone jacinth]

wall shines a bit on tyrannical weeks but only crazy people try and push in tyrannical anyway xd

[exotic pewter]

lmao true

wall its good for raids too

but i always aim just to heroic AOTC, so with a 210 ilv Wall I should be good

then upgrade my signet for pvp (arms)... then all ashes to upgrade my Thunderlord

thx @undone jacinth

[undone jacinth]

np, could also just use ur signet in dungeons like a real man

[exotic pewter]

hahahaha

Im still in safe mode

When I get a better shield and weapon, then I'll try signet in m+

cause im running with a 184 weapon/shield, havent had any luck with the drops

from 3 weeks doing raiding and mythics

[undone jacinth]

yeah pvp is the only decent loot path tbh

[exotic pewter]

true

But I spent all my conquest this week on getting the 2h sword

this week, If I don't get a chest on the vault, I'll get the conquest chest

[undone jacinth]

wish I had any energy to pvp

[exotic pewter]

or maybe the conquest neck

[undone jacinth]

find it so boring

[exotic pewter]

I used to think that way

but damn

on my 13 years of WoW, just started doing rankeds this season

[ionic fern]

Jeah, same..i used to think that PvP is boring..and then i tried PvP and it turned out to be even more boring than i thought.

[exotic pewter]

and I've been having so much fun

[undone jacinth]

lol

[exotic pewter]

lol

TBH, I find pvp way more relaxing than being a raid leader or doing m+

lmao

its a change of air for me

[undone jacinth]

I did it on my ridiculously geared DH in BFA and got to 1900 without even knowing what any class did or even looking at what I was fighting

but I don’t think I wanna pvp with remotely even gear

maybe on my Druid where I can click convoke and leave if we don’t win instantly

[exotic pewter]

Im a goblin necrolord arms warrior, worst combo ever lmao

but I've just managed to get to 1400+, and its been really fun tbh

[undone jacinth]

that does sound horrific

fury would finish it off

goblins model is too much for me

[exotic pewter]

hahaha

love the little guys, since Warcraft 2

I used to play on private servers from 2007 to 2010~

and when Cata came out I switched to official, 'cause I wanted to main a goblin warrior

and here I am, tanking with a goblin

[fierce tendon]

pvp is just shitty when you get rmp'd and 18 second cc'd

and even then 90% of matches are over in the first like 20 seconds lol

for arena at least

[undone jacinth]

that’s exactly what I want tbh

instant games win or lose so I can get my conquest and move on

[fierce tendon]

yea but thats not exactly healthy for all classes lmao

[muted pendant]

If you think balance in PvE is bad just look at balance in PvP eternal laugh

[undone jacinth]

pve balance is pretty great imo

[muted pendant]

yes

[muted pendant]

this is the third time in 2 days someone posts a reddit pic

[fierce tendon]

vdh's class designer actually plays dh

whT do u expect

[pseudo raptor]

How’s the drop rate on Memory of the Wall looking? I’m probably going to hit some raid this weekend for it.

[exotic pewter]

DH its a fuckin League of Legends champion, 4 fucking buttons

and 1 min cd's

[undone jacinth]

it’s 100%

@pseudo raptor

[pseudo raptor]

That’s beautiful.

Thank you.

[modern brook]

all legendaries from the raid or world bosses are 100%

dungeons have scaling drop chances with difficulty of content, i assume stopping at M+2

[pseudo raptor]

I haven’t gone for memories from raids or world bosses yet. My mm hunter one took 32 runs of plaguefall dungeon and I hoped the raid ones would be different.

[broken light]

i have signet as legendary cuz i primarily play arms for raids/pvp etc. but i spec prot for m+

one thing i dont understand is why cant i proc signet with my talented ravager on prot

it just doesnt work that way? :(

[modern brook]

"its not blade storm" - some 2head over at blizard

Arms' Ravager is a bladestorm replacement, prots isnt

so it doesnt proc

Whether its as intended or a bug is unknown

[signal plover]

Ya, talent vs base ability

At least that's how we've come to justify it

[jagged pier]

wish we had a pin for this answer

its asked a lot

[modern brook]

"press shield block, no really, press shield block, IP is a rage dump, No we dont know why rav doesnt work with signet we just know it doesnt work, please just use ur cooldowns more"

mwahi can pin that whenever

throw in something about "well I'm not having threat issues" and "UF probably sint the play anymore"

[jagged pier]

"yes people are playing ITF in dungeons over ravager its a preference"

[prisma pendant]

guys can we reflect Rite of Supremacy in Sanguine 3rd boss ? i cant fine it in the sheet

[jagged pier]

"the wall or thunderlords for m+ its what you prefer"

[modern brook]

is that the circles on the ground?

[prisma pendant]

the dmg after that

[jagged pier]

you can deflect it, still think it does a little damage so you want some orbs

[modern brook]

To my knowledge you can use the 20% dr but you want get a reflect/defelct

tbh never tried though

[ripe seal]

I'd say just dodge Rite of Supremacy and use Reflect on Iron Spikes along with IP

[jagged pier]

its the red mechanic if you SR it does less damage and you dont get the dot

iron spikes is physical

[misty tartan]

So how are you guys liking prot warr in raids and m+ so far? The beta impressions from youtubers were only mildly positive/negative, but I am feeling quite strong enough for all content to be honest

[ripe seal]

Oh fuck is It

[jagged pier]

pretty sure

[ripe seal]

Yeah nah you're right, just checked. Nvm then

[jagged pier]

the cast where you need to collect the golden orbs is the one you want to SR

[modern brook]

Aight listen to jakey im clearly wires crossed

[modern brook]

I'm personally of the opinion that Prot war is the baseline for "good spec rn"

[ripe seal]

Well, If you get atleast 2 stacks you're fine even without SR, but since you can't SR Iron Spikes you might aswell use It on Rite

[modern brook]

tanks that are performing above it should be brought down, tanks that are performing below it should be brought up

specs fun, plays well and is capable

Just doesnt have stupid 40k dps aoe damage cooldowns

[prisma pendant]

@jagged pier so SR is the same as one orb ?

[signal plover]

SR is a flat 20% DR against magic dam even if it doesn't reflect/deflect

[jagged pier]

its really good is played well, its just unforgiving so if a bad prot warrior is playing you can really tell, half the issues witht the beta stuff were YT'ers etc playing and saying it was bad but actually had no knowledge of the spec at all, for instance there was a ranking vid where they guy was like its really bad dont play it but was sat at 100% rage for all the clips

[modern brook]

#staymad

[fierce tendon]

also if u have low haste youre gonna have a bad time

[modern brook]

haste doesnt make or break the spec

[jagged pier]

well theres the cast where you want to collect the orbs to reduce the damage, it leaves a nasty dot which you can deflect and reduce the damage of the hit so you need less orbs, so theres more for the team

[fierce tendon]

it sure as hell helps survive tho

[modern brook]

It creates a bigger buffer, sure

[misty tartan]

I do agree the jump in gear made a massive difference in actually surviving when shieldblock is up.
And I agree with your impression that prot warr is "just right". Feels like I need to coordinate with my teammates about stun, cc, silence, but not overly reliant on them

[modern brook]

Prot has an overreliance on a shield drop tbh

[misty tartan]

I honestly like this a bit better than the OP state of the last BFA patch

[modern brook]

I still have a 131 shield and it shows

[misty tartan]

wtf 😛

[modern brook]

(197 overall ilvl)

[misty tartan]

buy a honor shield?

[modern brook]

bro then i have to pvp

[misty tartan]

if you do the brawl once per week it's already 2k honor or so

[modern brook]

Thats even worse

the brawls 🤮

[jagged pier]

im stuck at 1700 cr never 220 shield

[modern brook]

i'd rather do arms arenas but then i need to get a 2hander that can pump

Single Minded Arm when

[amber herald]

wait you can reflect iron spikes?

[fierce tendon]

I doubt spell reflect works on that? I know you can block it

[broken light]

i got the 207 shield yesterday (had a 158 one) im happy

[amber herald]

damn gz

50ilvl upgrade is yuge

[broken light]

and prot is overly reliant on shield right? (sorry if a noob question)

[fierce tendon]

the block value helps a lot

[jagged pier]

pretty sure its physical so no you cant

[jagged pier]

biggest defensive upgrade you can get is a higher shield as its the only piece with block on it

[misty tartan]

iron spike on what boss?

[amber herald]

third boss of SD, thought I read someone here saying you could but now I can't find it

it's definitely not blockable I just checked the pin

[misty tartan]

I'm not hearing any deflect sound ever going off on that ability. it does deflect a portion of the dmg from that aoe blast though, but not 100% of the dmg

[jagged pier]

from tank notes

'Iron Spikes - tank hit, put up physical mitigation'

[undone jacinth]

The pins that say it is blockable?

[amber herald]

No.

I meant reflectable

[amber herald]

Somehow this has gotten to be a conversation about how the ability is blockable when It began because I saw someone say it was reflectable and that didn't seem right

I'm confused

[jagged pier]

yes if u look under that message i said it was physical

I'd say just dodge Rite of Supremacy and use Reflect on Iron Spikes along with IP

JakeyToday at 2:21 PM
iron spikes is physical

[amber herald]

It's like we're disagreeing but we all agree

[undone jacinth]

probably because u accidentally said it’s definitely not blockable so that’s gonna cause some confusion

point is you wouldn’t reflect spikes anyways

[amber herald]

Yeah

[valid zodiac]

Any tips or trick for Domina in PF to drop stacks?

[misty tartan]

kyrian vial, paladin bop+cancelaura macro, have melee taunt when all the assassins are dead

[sharp sun]

What are the pros/cons of UF/AM over Rav/Bol in M+?

Guessing a bit of survivability loss, but would the Shield wall reduced CD offset that?

running with the thunderlord legendary, which makes UF/AM sound a bit more appealing

[jagged pier]

there are literally no pros to UF, yes it sounds and has reallly good synergy with thunderlords, but after the TC nerf and UF nerf UF is just a shit talent

like TC isnt prio anymore even with thunderlords revenge etc are all higher than it

dont get me wrong thunderlords is really good

but you only need BV to make it work

the best talent build is BV, RAV/ITF(preference), AM/Bolster bolster is a more defensive choice where AM is the damage choice

youll generate more rage and do more damage with ravager instead of UF

its a better damage and a better defensive choice that UF

[sharp sun]

Ok thankyou, noted and much appreciated 🙂

[signal plover]

+1 to that explanation, UF is just not good atm

[jagged pier]

Ive had to explain it a fair bit tbh, Im getting good at it now XD

[signal plover]

deep strokes

[sharp sun]

^^ Worth putting it as an FAQ to save repeating :P?

[sweet summit]

Noone reads the faq

[jagged pier]

^^

[sharp sun]

Oh just me then 😄

[sweet summit]

😔

[sharp sun]

StackOverflow drums into you the wonders of searching first

or be struck down by angry devs

Interesting that ITF and Ravager are a choice though, presumed it would always be ravager

Might have to try out ITF

[jagged pier]

the higher the key the more people are using ITF, also at thoughs levels you can get consistant 5 stacks which is okay CDR, i prefer ravager and i dont push keys so im happy with it plus i like rav

[signal plover]

Ya I'm bouncing around the 13 to 15 range and happy there atm

Watched sense time a 17 plaguefall this week when we bricked PF on a 15 cuz last boss is an absolute slapper DPS check.

[jagged pier]

well most tyranical bosses at that level just seem to be dumb with how much hp they have and how much damage they deal

[signal plover]

Scaling from 13 to 15 is bonkers

Even so, most bosses you can beat as long as the mechanics are crisp, but PF last boss is crazy if you fall behind in dps and have to deal with several infectious rains per phase

[amber herald]

Does anyone know of a way to position the first boss in mists on high keys so the pools don't fill up the room in such a disruptive way?

I know it's a huge spell regardless but wondering if there's a way to make the positioning easier

[jagged pier]

pools are random arent they?

[amber herald]

Don't know

[jagged pier]

I just move it away tbh

never really thought about it

[undone jacinth]

ye just dodge, don’t need to move it really

[amber herald]

I was thinking if you pulled him to the right side of his arena then you'd have more room on the left

[signal plover]

Just pick a direction and drag out of pools each time

Ranged kicks help a lot there.

[amber herald]

currently I tank him in the middle where he starts but I'm not sure that's such a great idea

[signal plover]

Def don't tank in middle

Go to edge and then go around the room

The puddles will never fill up the room that way (they disappear eventually)

[amber herald]

Yeah

Can't hurt to try it, my group is having trouble doing enough damage to phase the boss on higher keys so we need the room

that's why I asked, not sure it'll help our melee dps but we're mostly ranged dps so it should be all good

[signal plover]

It's a long fight, just prio tree guy and don't burn big dam CDs on pull

The arena is huge but you can't just stay in one spot. Also careful that you don't get feared outta the entrance cuz I think he can reset

[undone jacinth]

there’s so much room if u tank him anywhere along the edge I don’t see the issue

[amber herald]

I wasn't tanking him along the edge

[undone jacinth]

oh

rip

u don’t just tank it where it spawns?

[amber herald]

I tank him where it spawns but that's in the middle

[undone jacinth]

huh

[astral crystal]

he spawns on one of the edges tho

[bitter crest]

Its in the back in my opinion.

[undone jacinth]

he spawns in the pool at the edge

[amber herald]

the first boss of mists?

[astral crystal]

we talking about first boss of mists right?

[undone jacinth]

yeah

there’s a little pool thingy at the back, sacrifice area whatever, which they spawn in

you can start there and just circle the room if you need to

[mellow patio]

That room is big, just move him around

[modern brook]

just 1 phase him 4head :^)

its ur dps's fault theres trash on the ground

[note: this is a joke]

[sweet summit]

true true

not a joke

its facts

[amber herald]

Well I do but normally I move him reactively, I was asking if it makes sense to move him to the sides of his enclosure at the start of the fight

but that depends on how the aoe works but nobody seemed to know if it was random or targetted

[modern brook]

I have to hedge my facts because im still not yellow and christmas already passed smh

[bitter crest]

You don't have to onephase it. It's enough if the Big One is down before the swirlys are cast. 🙂

[sweet summit]

you can have my yellow if u want

[modern brook]

I want to be yellow together :^(

[sweet summit]

awww 😳

[modern brook]

I tihnk you're over thinking it tbh. just fight him where he spawns and when theres garbo in the way movehim along the edge to where there isnt garbo

no 900iq play requried

[undone jacinth]

100%

[signal plover]

Yeah it's super straightforward

[amber herald]

I'm only having this problem on 15s which is why I was hoping there was a way I could position him better to increase space in the enclosure

the entire arena fills up on high keys if your dps aren't mega blasters

[undone jacinth]

no lol

[bitter crest]

Space isn't an issue in our runs and we have two melee-dps.

[undone jacinth]

you would need like 8 rounds of the cast to fill the room

[amber herald]

You are just telling me space isn't an issue lmao

When I'm saying space is an issue what do I do

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[undone jacinth]

you tank at the edge, you dodge the swirls and stop running round the room like a crazy person

[bitter crest]

I said "space isn't an issuer in our runs" not in every run from everybody.

[undone jacinth]

I was in a key with an arcane mage doing 1.9k dps to it and we had like 10 fears go off and god knows how many swirls

there was still room

it took literally 5min

[amber herald]

I don't understand how that's relevant to what I'm asking

[undone jacinth]

you can’t be doing it any slower

The only issue with swirls is time and casts

even if you stand literally still there’s still spaces around the boss after a cast... it’s hard to understand what issue ur having

[modern brook]

unironically a dps issue then tbh

M+ scaling is exponential and tyranical is multiplicative

[amber herald]

I play with friends in a non-meta comp so yes

[modern brook]

so high key boss fights are sorta nutty if you dont have the damage for it

[amber herald]

Their dps is high it's just we don't have any of those classes that are like MM hunter

[undone jacinth]

Jesus

[amber herald]

But that's why I'm asking if there's a way to get more room out of his arena

[modern brook]

Marskman "Wave good bye cause there goes the pack" hunter

[amber herald]

We need more space to dps the tree down

[undone jacinth]

u just said their dps was high

[amber herald]

high for the classes they play yes

[modern brook]

High for the classes they play unfortuantely != high

[undone jacinth]

do u understand how little difference there is between classes

[amber herald]

Dps aren't going to change so it's irrelevant

[signal plover]

I think the original question was to see how the aoe worked (spawned on players, random, or a mix thereof) in order to utilize the space

[undone jacinth]

so have ur guys stay close to the boss then

issue solved

[bitter crest]

I don't have the feeling that the swirls spawn under players.

[amber herald]

It was and if it was worth positioning the boss differently

It doesn't have infinite range right? So taking him to the outer edge will give us more room

[undone jacinth]

edge is always going to be better but like we said that is where he spawns anyway which is where u said u were tanking it

[amber herald]

He doesn't spawn there I don't know why you're saying that

[signal plover]

The best way to tank the boss imo is by going around the edges of the room. We did it that way on tyrannical a couple weeks ago (was only 13) and didn't run into issues with space. On 15 with the crazy scaling, if you run into spacing issues it's probably that your dps is too low (that boss is a massive dps check) or you're somehow blanketing areas of the room ahead of your move path

[amber herald]

He spawns in the middle in the little pen at the back

[undone jacinth]

In the middle at the back

okay

[amber herald]

dolphin dude you're treating me like I'm an idiot

you aren't helping, I don't get why you have to act like what I'm saying is incredulous

[undone jacinth]

he spawns at the back... rotate around the room from there

[uneven mason]

🤮

[amber herald]

Thanks man I'll try that, I wasn't doing that in our previous runs I was just running wherever I could find space

[signal plover]

Back center =/= middle so that was a miscommunication

[uneven mason]

1 hour, 41minutes NW +7

cuz I'm a nice guy

[fierce tendon]

[signal plover]

Oof on a 7

[uneven mason]

(was trying to convince my wife and some new to M+ people that they're not that scary)

I'm not sure my point was made.

[signal plover]

Bad week bad dungeon for that

[fierce tendon]

spoiler: they are

[uneven mason]

I had a plan

that its about the worst dungeon you could do

to teach people

[signal plover]

Follow it up with a 7 plaguefall

[uneven mason]

but they all stepped up and managed to do it

improvements were made

they shouldn't be scared of anything now

[fierce tendon]

I straight up had to walk out of a 13 nw yesterday because we couldn't clear 2nd boss with prideful lust

sad times

[uneven mason]

2nd Boss is a rough DPS check on Tyrannical

[undone jacinth]

that boss without cc is a problem

[fierce tendon]

yep

[uneven mason]

They were all sub 185ilvl too

but shouldn't have been a problem.

[fierce tendon]

nobody wanted to interrupt the 20k frostbolt volleys the mages do

[uneven mason]

was 100% execution

[signal plover]

2nd boss NW and 4th boss PF have kinda broken tuning imo

[uneven mason]

I think the 2nd boss NW isn't badly tuned, its the fact that you can have adds spawn 500 yards in bumblefk nowhere 👉 and another add 500 yards 👈

so unless you're running some ranged interrupts or a DK

Its "do I try to reach that and have him breath on all of us?"

[fierce tendon]

I try to interrupt the mage immediately to group them up

[uneven mason]

its the uninterruptable archers

[fierce tendon]

The problem is pretty much only the mages hurt but ppl tunnel on aoe

Yeah

[uneven mason]

yeah

[undone jacinth]

bring hunter/mage/monk and ignore them!

I hate having to group them

[uneven mason]

had one pull where the 2 archers were the entire area apart and the healer got bolted + both archers instantly, was 100% to red mist in like 2 seconds.

[undone jacinth]

I meant priest not mage

[fierce tendon]

I brought 2 shamans a mage and a hunter and we couldn't get ranged interrupts 950+ io means nothing

[undone jacinth]

the Hunter can trap one

[uneven mason]

PSA - there is one of those "Interrupting" anima orbs under the downed goliath just inside the 2nd boss area.

[undone jacinth]

and ignore it

[uneven mason]

until it explodes?

[jagged pier]

bring back gag order just saying

[fierce tendon]

yeah you can't ignore

[undone jacinth]

it does no damage

[fierce tendon]

wait rly?

[undone jacinth]

if it’s cc

[fierce tendon]

wtf

[undone jacinth]

ye

[uneven mason]

This 1000x

[jagged pier]

if its cc'd you can

[uneven mason]

So, can literally just CC them

[undone jacinth]

yeah

[uneven mason]

That makes that fight 100x easier

[undone jacinth]

but they are undead so not all cc works

[uneven mason]

hunter trap

[undone jacinth]

ye

[uneven mason]

can you control undead

with DK?

[undone jacinth]

ye

[uneven mason]

damn DKs

[jagged pier]

and has to be hard cc like incap or trap. stuns and roots wont work i dont think

[uneven mason]

obviously

[signal plover]

What happens on the second add summon?

[undone jacinth]

depends what cc u have but u do again

[uneven mason]

So as an emergency can hard CC the add

[undone jacinth]

not even emergency

[uneven mason]

when he goes to cast, if you won't make DPS check

[undone jacinth]

just default play

it’s just better

[uneven mason]

then kill it after cast

[undone jacinth]

it disappears

after cast

[signal plover]

Anyone have a vod of this on like a 15 tyr?

[undone jacinth]

uh

[jagged pier]

the cast makes its explode but if its cc'd it wont do that damage

[signal plover]

Ok that's what I was looking for

It won't explode but it'll disappear?

[undone jacinth]

just said that lol

[ionic fern]

Watch them hotfix it without a note.

[undone jacinth]

yeah it disappears after the cast

so u can cc the next wave

[signal plover]

I didn't see your does no dmg message earlier sorry

[undone jacinth]

all good