Ok i see the point
#protection
eternal glen
undone jacinth
so ud have to be running AM on top of that to get the reduction
which u probably arent
royal sorrel
he wrote that hes using it
undone jacinth
meaning that ITF is actually the only source of reduction
when I say 'u' I mean anyone playing difficult content
open monolith
the argument is that ravager AM is more CDR than ITF AM
undone jacinth
not him specifically
open monolith
in terms of shieldwall CDR when using the Wall
undone jacinth
right well ITF would have to give either 2 additional procs of shield slam resets or have the additional shield slam and thunderclap CD reduction lead to 1 proc and 40 more rage
per minute
ITF gives you 0.5 more shield slams per minute
regardless of reset
so that's 2.5s, so you would need 1 additional reset and a negligible amount of rage
with 10% additional haste I think its reasonable to expect 1 additional proc per minute
undone jacinth
im not sure what expected ppm is at the moment though
undone jacinth
its about 12% on my warr
was just rounding
if you are getting more than 8 procs per minute at the moment then 12% would give u more
so just over a proc every 10 seconds
I feel like you do get that
leaden rampart
found thin in a grp hhh
undone jacinth
unlucky
eternal glen
Ok ty for your replys and your time
undone jacinth
just keep in mind in m+ you wont have the buff all the time unless you have lots of hunters warlocks and melee
eternal glen
It works the same as itf
undone jacinth
think you probably wanna wait til then to see what the state of play is 😛
pelagos got that thick mastery
eternal glen
Maybe i dont know i came back to game after long time with a new class and role
undone jacinth
well we only unlock 3 renown per week and lots of stuff changes week to week
so cant really plan for that future that cleanly
eternal glen
Yy
sick sentinel
does kyrian spear on spires work through inspiring
lavish oracle
Oh, didn't know that, that's actually sick
prime umbra
sup y'all
prime umbra
what trinkets do y'all like for defense
prime umbra
Organ from pf?
sweet summit
yeh i think so
prime umbra
okie dokie
sweet summit
heard good shit about it
sweet summit
oh sire denathrius trinket is also good
prime umbra
so rn i've got macabre sheet music (200), blood spattered scale (184), Bladedancer's Armor Kit (184), Gluttonous Spike (187), and Pulsating Stoneheart (184)
Been noticing I stay healthier using the blood spattered scale and the gluttonous spike
sweet summit
they didnt
lavish oracle
It was like 5 last I checked
prime umbra
the organ looks good
lavish oracle
It's ppm is really low, the hps is like in the dozens
sweet summit
its like a personal LoH every whenever
lavish oracle
Then the Denny and scale trinkets are strictly better
sweet summit
20 sec icd
lavish oracle
Nah, all on uses have a 20second shared cd
Which is way better than it used to be
Used to be like a minute, iirc
prime umbra
I don't see the need for more than one "oh shit" button rn, so im probably just gonna hope for a passive secondary trinket
mighty valley
@open monolith just as an aside, the word "quite" means very different things between the UK and the USA, the two places i have lived
growing up, "it's quite good" meant "it's ok"
wild bane
prot talents for Sledgefist?
seems like heavy repercussions could be good for keepign shield block up
but Anger Management for The Wall
undone jacinth
bolster
wild bane
for final burst window?
There's only one point where he does more damage right
what about the level 40 talent row
sweet summit
indomitable always
undone jacinth
it just ensures uhave block for the whole fight
and u get 3 uses of ls instead of 2
wicked ferry
Do you ever use whirlwind as prot warr ?
sweet summit
no
undone jacinth
isnt really a clear winner
wicked ferry
I just switched to prot to queue for hc ToP to get lege, but prot actually feels really fun 😄
Might play it 😄
muted pendant
Anima Emitter is very strong in my opinion, both raid and m+
digital nova
and cant be clicked
/reload would be a better use of other keys on your keyboard than whirlwind 😛
lavish oracle
@sick sentinel makes every other mob in the pack immune to kicks and cc
Kinda nasty with necrotic, tbh
dark lark
Thinking about cooldowns from a macro level in dungeons: should I be staggering avatar from ravager and spear in pulls? I find that if I use all 3 in the first pull, the next pull I have threat generation issues. Would love to hear practical advice.
Similarly, I've been trying using defensive cooldowns to cover gaps in shield block: generally first pull I'll use demo shout after 3 shield blocks, second pull I'll use shield wall (using the wall leggo and stalwart conduit) , and third pull I'll use bolster last stand and I just continue cycling through based on what's available.
fossil vapor
guys have TL at rank 2, ring at rank 2, as main tank in plus, its worth make the wall or just update TL?
lavish oracle
You sure? @sweet summit either my nameplates are busted and I'd been timing my kicks very poorly or kicks count as a CC effect
Tides did the same thing
sweet summit
i am very sure you can still kick
mighty valley
they get the big fancy uninterruptible cast bars while the inspired guy is alive
lavish oracle
But I admit, I tried kicking mobs around the inspiring early in the week and then never again
sweet summit
memory seems to be wrong then, my bad
mighty valley
it does seem like there's some kind of grace period right at the start of combat? like, you can kick the far left robot guy to pull him out of the pool on that Spires pack at the top of the stairs
but then the second cast isn't kickable
lavish oracle
Some mobs take a second for inspiring to "pop" seems like
Like they don't start with the buff on them, they get it after a second when you're in range
Thought it was just a weird pop-in thing
mighty valley
maybe the range on inspired is just pretty small
lavish oracle
15 yards, so pretty small
untold oak
Any successful strats you all are using for pack in front of Hakkar wing in DoS? As I'm beginning to progress into 10+, this seems to always be a mess of a pull. Generally tough to maintain aggro since it's above target cap, and grouping the casters is never easy. Wondering if stairs offer an los possibility?
ionic fern
Ravager/Spear + DS + Avatar + AoE taunt if needed and you should not have aggro issues. Charge in,deal damage,use defensives,jump out.
untold oak
You just kite after aggro secured?
untold oak
Got it, thanks
sick sentinel
You dont need to kite it on tyranical week
You do not kite them in 10+ keys ?
limpid pawn
question about H denathrius:
if there are cabalists remaining (ranged ones) while he phases at 40%
are you punished for phasing to phase 3? or these guys do they just teleport to the middle?
mighty valley
if DPS isn't ultra high I do usually need to kite that pack on 10+
strong forum
idk
undone jacinth
why is menace good for quaking
steady spruce
FUCK SD AND SOA IN TYRANNICAL
amber herald
you can knock annoying mobs out of pools
steady spruce
tanking inquisitor and Ventunxx feels like shit
amber herald
tbh it would be last of the list for dealing with it for me
mighty valley
where do you see the affix schedule? people have told me wrong every week so far
mighty valley
can't wait for sanguine sanguine depths
gotta be better than necrotic necrotic wake
lavish oracle
did SoA last night, wasn't that bad
solemn current
how important is weapon damage for prot these days?
lavish oracle
2nd boss kinda fucked us but it's easy to reset
sick sentinel
spires is only bad if someone misses with the spear
undone jacinth
you can knock annoying mobs out of pools
thats sanguine not quaking
undone jacinth
problem with sanguine menace is that u are usually on the side of the mobs where sanguine is behind them
so u dont want to knock them back
undone jacinth
but its good for knocking casters out of it
lavish oracle
What reddit post?
undone jacinth
nah prot isnt bad
amber herald
any idea why they made it not knockback the enemy you have targetted?
what is the point of that? just to make it slightly worse than it could be
lavish oracle
I love reading people balance whine about warrior, what reddit post is this?
wild bane
people just shit all over warrior
I can't play a diff class for main
Orc warrior too iconic
lavish oracle
All the tanks are so close, tbh
solemn current
Honestly warrior could be bottom tier and yet being good at warrior would still put you above most tanks this xpac.
lavish oracle
you're gonna see way more returns from player skill and familiarity with their class than picking a FotM class
undone jacinth
apart from dh xd
lavish oracle
We are incredibly easy to heal in physical damage situations
that's by far the most frequent compliment I've gotten
wild bane
no I mean how do I be good above a normal prot warrior
lavish oracle
healers saying "wow, you're so easy to heal"
wild bane
what is the expert shit to be doing
I already know my spell reflect usage is dogshit
but I'm not sure what the best usage is right now in late game
lavish oracle
It's a lot of intuition stuff you get from just playing the class, mostly how to optimize mitigation uptime and damage
solemn current
Proper ability usage, proper rage management (not spending it all on revenge and execute), rotating out CDs and know how to properly use them for both defensive and offensive benefits.
lavish oracle
Well the other part of rage management, Dookie, is knowing when you're safe to use revenge
solemn current
Yea of course, but frankly if you want your healer to appreciate you then don't waste rage on revenge unless it would be wasted elsewhere. No point in spending the rage on it if you've got 30% IP left or it's about to expire or you have shield block sitting there ready to use
lavish oracle
Yes, if you need the extra mitigation
dark lark
Ravager/Spear + DS + Avatar + AoE taunt if needed and you should not have aggro ...
Right, but what you can't just use all of that on the first pull because they won't be available on the next pull. That's my point, so I was looking to see if staggering CDs from pull to pull is an option
lavish oracle
if you don't, you're generally safe to use that rage on revenge
solemn current
Shield Block when there is physical damage going out, Ignore Pain to further smooth damage and for magic damage
wild bane
I thought stacking them is like the best
because your Ignore pain is then jacked
on mitigation
everything we're doing is basically pushing everyone to the limit
of mana, damage etc.
sick sentinel
How do you mean that ?
wild bane
bah IDK
limpid pawn
just scrolled up to read, teekay you 100% are supposed to stack IP and shield block
IP also helps vs things that can't be blocked, like magic damage and bleeds
one of the single most important decisions and also the one that most people just starting out will fuck up is whether to use IP or revenge
actually IP vs revenge vs shield block - these three
and to give a TL/DR of it, it seems like from the pro players, they are just blasting damage on lower content
like using revenge/avatar/demoshout/ravager
pseudo depot
should i give on being a a prot paladin if i'm venthyr?
limpid pawn
and taking some unmitigated hits b/c the content is not threatening
pseudo depot
er warrior* lol
limpid pawn
but like on high fortified keys, that isn't an option we can do and thus we have to sacrifice non-free revenge casts for shield block and ignore pain
our damage suffers as a result but that literally is the only way to mitigate damage properly (and not die)
wild bane
the wall legendary is helping a lot
limpid pawn
best case scenarios, you can still get like 2.5k++ dps overall
I do believe that the wall legendary is hugely underrated
b/c if you can use anger management and get it down to 1 minute, and have acceptable mitigation uptime
you may be able to have more damage output via more avatars
maybe new OP build will emerge
undone jacinth
not sure u can call it underrated when everyone says its the best all around legendary
and almost everyone is using it lol
u also dont need AM
limpid pawn
yeah but i see thunderlords still being pushed for m+ content
like people saying thunder for m+, wall for raids
undone jacinth
maybe ppl at lower key levels
consensus is they are close but wall usually pulls ahead the higher u go
limpid pawn
making rank 4 wall as we speak
sick sentinel
How do I decide which item is an upgrade and which isn’t ? Played dps in bfa and just simed everything I got , but there isn’t a similar option for Tank and I’m a little bit lost because of that 😄
sick sentinel
It’s that easy ? 😄 well thank you very much
strong forum
yup it is
hollow vortex
should Prot craft Thunderlord or wait for The Wall?
strong forum
both are perfectly fine
wall is better in raid
TL is more popular in m+
but you can use both for both
hollow vortex
ty
silent torrent
Do you guys memorize your routes? Kinda annoying to pull up mdt mid run no? I'm doing 6/7/8s with some friends - all around 195-205 ilvl and I feel we could be doing higher if I was more confident pulling
Maybe take a screenshot and put on 2nd monitor?
strong forum
Memorize them yes
It's pretty easy to memorize once you've done the key atleast once imo
With 195-205 ilvl you can do 15s
silent torrent
I'm sure we could; tank (me!) lacks confidence haha and they rely on me for strat!
Need practice
west kayak
I have yet to do anything 10+ and no one wants to use a tank that hasn't it seems...
sick sentinel
I'm sure we could; tank (me!) lacks confidence haha and they rely on me for stra...
U will get better with time and practice ,but don be afraid to do higher keys even if u deplet the first few
lavish oracle
I have yet to do anything 10+ and no one wants to use a tank that hasn't it seem...
best advice I can give is to run your own keys
or find a group but that seems like the obvious solution
west kayak
Yea, problem is the group of friends I play with cannot put out dps and interrupt at the same time. 😛
limpid pawn
actually solid advice
spare cobalt
@strong forum tank a tyrannical key so I can watch pls
lavish oracle
I mean, you can pug your own keys too
spare cobalt
Some of these bosses own me
west kayak
Aye
sick sentinel
I have yet to do anything 10+ and no one wants to use a tank that hasn't it seem...
The „[L]earning by doing“ community is also a good place
spare cobalt
Just use your key and then friends list the good ones imo
sick sentinel
Don’t know if they are still active tho , played a lot of keys those people in bfa
silent torrent
213 blade dancers, 200 gluttonous spike and 184 blood spattered... I was running the 213/200 bc ilvl but apparently blood spattered is the bees knees no? So swap out my bladedancer so I don't have to manage two trinket cooldowns?
lavish oracle
blood spattered is huge
limpid pawn
200/184 in that
silent torrent
Thanks
lavish oracle
blade dancers is absolute trash garbage
definitely in the running for worst trinket in the game
sick sentinel
anyone know the command to cancel dbm break
high folio
can you skip ranks with legendary upgrades or do you have to go in order
mellow patio
high folio
is it more worth to skip or to go in order
high folio
gotcha, bc ill prob just farm for rank for if it doesnt really make a fuck, may save me gold in the long run
yeah exactly, cool ty
also should i always be doing the hardest floor in torghast or should i get all rewards from everyfloor
visual drift
Which trinket would you guys use for m+?
the heart is what i got from the weekly chest-.-
buoyant heath
Splintered Heart has saved my life so many times with pugs
high folio
glutonous is pretty good imo, does ab 10% of my healing in a given fight
does a little damage to
visual drift
but the heart deals dmg to my allies
high folio
always do the highest
ty sir
visual drift
btw what are pugs?
undone jacinth
group finder groups
high folio
pick up groups
visual drift
ah okay
open monolith
Splintered heart is awesome for pugs
And the radius of the explosion is absolutely tiny
visual drift
well my friends and i are running with retri pala and dk, mage and shami xD
modern gale
lavish oracle
Iron spikes on 3rd boss of depths is blockable, right?
undone jacinth
ye
lavish oracle
sick, just checking, making sure I wasn't just like wasting rage on block
strong forum
can also reflect the debuff from rite of supremacy
spare oracle
undone jacinth
what covenant are u
undone jacinth
ok then u dont need to kite everything
tired cove
SG or BV for conduit for theotar what do you guys think ?
hollow anvil
Hey, is HM Tauren racial broken (ie they forgot to update it with level / ilvl / stat squish) or was it always this bad? I'm looking to make a prot warrior alt since my old warrior is on an old server and I cba to pay for a transfer atm. And yes, this is indeed a class trial but still 3 damage reduction seems awfully low.
undone jacinth
lol yes it definitely does seem low
limpid pawn
yo, is it ok to p hase denathrius heroic to phase 3 with some adds up
or is this a wipe
astral crystal
You can have two max I think
Anything else probably too much shit to deal with
Naturally you should work to cleave them down while blasting denathrius
agile cedar
I mean it’s not ideal but it’s doable
And you should use denatrius frontal to hit them hard
umbral compass
I have rank 3 thunderlord boots but no wall yet crafted. Should I craft rank 4 boots you think or first at least a rank 3 wall shoulders? Have enough ash for 1 or the other right now
lavish oracle
did they even use ppm in wrath?
undone jacinth
I have rank 3 thunderlord boots but no wall yet crafted. Should I craft rank 4 b...
upgrading doesnt really give you much
your choice but having 2 legos is nicer imo
nimble drift
Tbh I still like the wall in m+ a lot
In m+ where I feel like I'm always getting hit harder, more shield walls are great
light thicket
guys i have a question, to block stavros in council of block do i have to turn around in the last possible second to have him lunge at me forward?
council of blood*
umbral compass
Thanks I think u guys are right 2 lego option does seem better
sinful pivot
The wall is big Meh for m+. You'll almost always be limited by dps before tankiness.
But upgrading ilvl is irrelevant next to how powerful the legendary effects are
signal plover
The rage gain from wall is nothing to scoff at in m+
undone jacinth
The wall is big Meh for m+. You'll almost always be limited by dps before tankin...
😆
pseudo depot
Should I stick to haste/vers for raid and haste/crit for dungeons for my legendary?
fallow mortar
it is a matter of preference on whether or not you want crit or vers
does not matter what content you do
pseudo depot
ty
fallow mortar
rough egret
😄 thx dad
patent cairn
Prideful "boss" when appears, already start with combat or you need to hit it first ?
mighty valley
uh... never tested it, never wanted to not get the buff immediately
rough egret
same, when you wipe it stays out of combat
but iirc, there was some big brain strat on MDI
that team was skiping pridefull
but im not sure if they used invis pots / meld or smthing
patent cairn
Just want to know, can you not pull him, when you clearing another pack
nova rover
Macabre Sheet Music worthwhile for prot?
nova rover
hah
jagged pier
Macabre Sheet Music worthwhile for prot?
its really shitty unless you stand in a corner, as you have to move a fair bit to pick them all up
high folio
do yall think theyre gonna buff venthyr for prot? god i wish they would
jagged pier
doubtful
high folio
honestly
theyd have to change how execute works entirely on prot for it to work
we already spend enough rage staying alive as it is
jagged pier
thing is it isnt that bad for us on ST, and aoe sure its dumbster but its better than necro for everything
high folio
is the adsorb thing it gives actually relatively substantial?
jagged pier
on ST yer
high folio
like if we had a way to cleave execute it may be half decent
still wont beat out the rage gen of AA or SoB
jagged pier
well no, but adding a cleave to it wont fix it as you can still only use it above 80 and below 20
you would need to add SD talent or somthing
high folio
well yeah
itd just make it slightly less terrible
biggest issue w it i think is it just taxes our already strained resource even further
wish it worked like fury execute and it was a generator instead of a spender
jagged pier
i said that in beta
jagged pier
but i also dont think we have taxed resources tbh
but im kryian so i have the extra rage gen
high folio
i can get p raged starved sometimes when my cds are down
my haste is also kinda dooky tho so
when i have all ItF stacks its not bad
high folio
im at 17 as well
i usually try and use IP as much as i can and just keep one charge of SB on cd at all times
i feel like i start taking too much damage if i let rage pool too long
jagged pier
you really dont need to spamm IP
high folio
i see
fallow mortar
just refresh
jagged pier
^^
high folio
i mean im not saying im just absolutely rock bottom out of rage all the time
jagged pier
your main mitigation is SB
fallow mortar
yes it is annoying, but not much else you can do
high folio
yeah ik, just rng and moar haste
nova rover
its really shitty unless you stand in a corner, as you have to move a fair bit t...
Yea I played with it and after the proc its dumb
fallow mortar
just make sure you always have enough for SB
high folio
i usually do
thunderlords helps a lot too bc its a fat rage button
made it first bc i do m+ more then i raid, once i get thunders to rank 4 ill make the wall
my main point was that i was saying prot really doesnt have all that much rage to spare on something like execute. mostly just use my excess rage on it when im not taking a lot of damag e
pliant rock
any news if Ulduar is worth doing?
jagged pier
not in my opinion, did it with my guild wasnt worth the time, plus the trinkets are kind of meh compared to hakkar and stuff
neat dirge
What are some changes that would make prot a little bit better in M+?
wicked ferry
Well, Ulduar drops 200ilvl. Just like CN. If you still farm CN then I would say its worth? Its way easier than CN also.
lavish oracle
Some of the trinkets seem okay, specifically the crit + STR on use but you're better off just using the PvP trinket if that's what you're fishing for
@neat dirge slightly better damage, 2 seconds off of shield block CD
2 seconds might even be overboard
In my ideal world we have some form of AM baseline but that's a distant dream, I think
Can't tell if just doubling thunderclap's base damage would be too much
reef patrol
@pliant rock i think its best gearing method pre m10s/normal raid
if you do HMs on the bosses they drop over 10pieces of loot
since they give you a second chest
warm thunder
Is there a way to keep Block time always up?
Or is it just impossible
And you just need to time them
lavish oracle
Aside from just a million haste, no, there's no way to get permanent shield block uptime
flat nymph
Unfortunately
warm thunder
:'( sad
Do you always try to keep it up or is there specific timing you should keep a stack (and rage) up
lavish oracle
If we somehow managed like 50% haste this xpac, we could probably get pretty close?
Depends on context
warm thunder
Actually I just like spam refresh it (wait until block os fading at 0sec left) whenever I can (kinda)
lavish oracle
Ideally you don't want to overlap it with shield wall, and a lot of getting good at warrior is knowing when you can let shield block recharge
Whether that's during a long boss cast or intermission or while you're kiting trash
warm thunder
Why don't you want to overlap it with shield wall?
lavish oracle
Because shield wall is one of the tools we use to fill the gaps in our shield block
lavish oracle
Depends, are you using the Wall or Thunderlord's?
warm thunder
I plan to use Wall but I'm not that far yet
I just started Kyrian campaign
But I plan to take Wall
So
lavish oracle
Then you should try to use Shield Wall a lot, usually after you use your first 2 shield block charges in a pull
Sometimes, if it's a pull that hits very hard or does a large amount of magic damage, you can use it on pull
warm thunder
I see
lavish oracle
For example, in De Other Side, there are a couple pulls near the start that hit very hard and generally need to be listed, so I will usually charge in, pop shield wall, drop spear, and Ravager, cast a revenge or two, and leap out
warm thunder
When is thunderlord better? Bcs it seems that the Wall is the best defensive tool overall
lavish oracle
I personally always prefer the Wall, but some people like Thunderlord's for M+
lavish oracle
It does give us a slight DPS boost, yeah
warm thunder
Well I just want to be tanky before having dps tbh since I prefer Raiding
Kleia and Wall
jagged pier
I mean, in raiding you dont need to be tanky, you should be pushing dps as bosses wont kill you if you play correctly
warm thunder
Right
lavish oracle
Not necessarily true, but probably true enough for the level of content in question
warm thunder
Well, it doesn't stop me to play Wall and Kleia tho
But I think if you need more dps you must go for Palegos and Thunderlord's
warm thunder
More like for M+ only
jagged pier
well it only really benfits in aoe situations
and there are actually many of them in the raid
warm thunder
Really?
lavish oracle
In AoE it's a slight DPS increase because you benefit from booming voice twice as often
jagged pier
1.5sec of demo with each TC when its not prio on ST its usless
well not useless but youll get more rage out of the wall
lavish oracle
More damage too
lavish oracle
Not gonna lie, haven't done the more recent quests yet >.>
I'll probably end up doing them all next week for the second potency slot 😄
warm thunder
I just wonder when I'm gonna be ready to M+ or Raid
jagged pier
whenever you feel like the community may not agree though
warm thunder
@jagged pier Well, not right now since I don't have soulbind yet and I'm at 145 ilvl
I will get one shot lol
But if I could I wish
rose quartz
Any other Prot who picked Necro? If yes - How do you feel currently and what is your opinion on that we ll get double buff in next patch?
jagged pier
played it on beta its trash would need a complete rework to be close to consideration
rose quartz
I feel like it's the best for Def. +15% strength and crit which results in Parry
Other stuff gives just dps
ebon hound
Spear gives rage and makes the guy that hit you dead
jagged pier
I feel like it's the best for Def. +15% strength and crit which results in Parry
thats wrong
worn bear
3min cd doe
jagged pier
ill explain in a few mins after this dungeon
rose quartz
Combine it with hero and it's even a harder hit
worn bear
stationary ability in an environment like m+ where kiting is a necessity sounds rough
rose quartz
And two players have more crit. In 30 sec they do about 20abilites result in two more crits with double DMG. If we would add that to our DMG it's single target defenatly better then the others.
polar maple
I salute you for picking away from the meta
warm thunder
@polar maple Well meta means nothing tbh
polar maple
We got 95% picking kyrian for prot
rose quartz
Actually I played last Wednesday every dungeon on +10 without problems.
jagged pier
right okay
rose quartz
This id I had no time so far
jagged pier
parry is nice, but in terms of defensive its the weakest way of reducing damage
so 15% strength for parry is just aweful
its not bad for dps though
polar maple
Kyrian is simply boring and the least fun to play. spear is boring AF, stupid bird with that potion is such boring gameplay
jagged pier
20% health is also just garbage it wont save you and its not worth it
polar maple
switched to NF and am having much more fun
jagged pier
its also requires you to stand still in the circle which in 99% of situations you dont really do
it also require the '2' dps to stand in the circle as well
so in terms of bosses in front of the boss
so they get parried
its also a 3 minute cd
compares to short of everything else
also NF anf Kryian both give you rage gen
which is more defensive than parry
and health combined
warm thunder
There is actually no other alternative to Kyrian for Prot
jagged pier
pick necro if you want it doesnt actually matter than much, but it is by far the worst cov and ability
jagged pier
good soulbinds
okay for ST
but even venthyr prots are doing less damage than kyrian in the raid acording to warcraftlogs
warm thunder
Oof
fallow mortar
highish mastery and the fact that it is low cd
jagged pier
but you have to remeber we can only condemn for 40% of the fight
compare to the dps who get talents and stuff letting them do it all the time
fallow mortar
I like to think 30% because of time warp
fallow mortar
well yes
jagged pier
is it better to spam condemn than execute during execute phase yes
but for the rest of the time its kind of usless
fallow mortar
just make it so prot can condemn all the time, ez
jagged pier
it would still be usless on aoe though
jagged pier
yer but the condemn meme is kinda dead now as it doesnt do much damage
rose quartz
The circle of the flag and the time standing in it is actually no problem as far as I experienced. It's actually good. Needs just some experience of how and when to place it. Circle is big enough. 95% of the time I place it I buff my mates the complete 30secs.
You put it under the boss and stand one side. Just needs some talk and preparation. And dds love more crit and mainstat
warm thunder
@fallow mortar Apparently Kleia is better than Palegos right now
So no more mastery
jagged pier
<@327981727257460747> Apparently Kleia is better than Palegos right now
8 second immune to necro
fallow mortar
what do you mean it doesn't do much damage O.o? I normally have condemn beating out SB
jagged pier
well of course it would out beat SB it does no damage
warm thunder
8 second immune to necro
Wait how?
fallow mortar
So no more mastery
mastery buffs spear dmg
warm thunder
mastery buffs spear dmg
Oh yea
warm thunder
I should check
rose quartz
The depoison is probably the most advantage of kyrian
jagged pier
and 2 endurance conduits
fallow mortar
The depoison is probably the most advantage of kyrian
correct
jagged pier
for raiding yes
warm thunder
Yes for raiding
jagged pier
cause u have 100% up time on the buff
rose quartz
Tether doesn't work all the time does it? I saw that on the actual important mobs it has no impact. So it's only a DMG bonus
(m+)
warm thunder
So it's a way better
jagged pier
it doesnt work on mobs that are inspired
like all other cc
so its only this week its effects
jagged pier
So it's a way better
not way better can still run rav if you want
warm thunder
Looking at Warcraft Log and there is Pal Prot and DH everywhere lol
fallow mortar
I will never understand how I can't see my logs for keys, but I can see my logs for raid
even fixed settings in dbm >.>
jagged pier
do you log your keys?
jagged pier
i dunno i use the app
fallow mortar
which app?
fallow mortar
it has an uploader?
rose quartz
I mean there is one thing we can probably agree on. The next balance patch we will be buffed. And knowing that we will get buffed is nicer than feeling a nerf Inc like a dh.
fallow mortar
i don't know how this shit works XD, ty
fallow mortar
I mean there is one thing we can probably agree on. The next balance patch we wi...
how do you figure we will get buffed?
fallow mortar
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start
❤️
open bluff
I mean there is one thing we can probably agree on. The next balance patch we wi...
more likely they buff blood to 8.1 prot levels and then leave warrior alone
polar maple
I want 3 charges of shield block
and triple thunderclap damage
and spell reflect to last double
onyx matrix
Lol
@polar maple would be better if shield block had a shorter cd like it did in tbc, (shield block)
5sec cooldown was nice af
wheat sleet
Would be kinda boring if it just had 100% uptime
polar maple
with a new ability
after X amount of damage blocked, unleash damage in a cone in front of you, equal to 50% of blocked damage
We can call it... RECKONING
xD
onyx matrix
How come lol @wheat sleet
latent steppe
should you go venthyr if ur dpsing in the raid
modern brook
Honestly if the only tank pass they need is something to tone down dh and prot pal uncapped aoe, and blood needs a little love
Prot warrior is the base line for a good spec rn and tanks should be brought inline with it
woven kiln
SD gauntlet on necrotic
not idea how we would have done it without phial and bop
spicy
modern brook
Treants, bop, stone ele, Phial, rop, shockwave leap. That hallways dumb
Kill things faster is on that list too but not always the easiest on higher keys
wheat sleet
How come lol <@133290628770562048>
just kinda takes away any thought behind using the skill; you'd just be clicking it every time the buff disappears
steady spruce
Some last raw talents feel like they could be baseline tbf
open monolith
Heavy repurcussions baseline would be neat
Change Menace to make intimidating shout no longer fear, it just interrupts and silences
novel temple
i dont remember being immortal back in wod
i remember magic damage bending me over like a little bitch back in mythic* BRF
but i do agree with heavy repercussions being baseline would be lit af
novel temple
actually i've said this before
AM should be baseline across all specs
and also restore it to its former glory
and also probably add enrage backn to arms/prot
like crit back in mop was great
well through riposte
add back in reforging too, but dont add back in avoidance stats or hit/expertise
increase gear drop rate, keep titanforging gone, somehow incorporate professions to add the tertiary stats to all slots of gear etc etc
but have it as a slow progression throughout the xpac, so we dont get to having maxed leech, avoidance, speed, etc etc
they're adding tier bonuses back for the next raid right? or was that gossip/rumored?
solar spear
how useful is the spear of bastion root in m+? With all the kiting going on atm I was thinking of switching covenant from night fae to kyrian, but I wasn't sure if many mobs are immune to the root or not?
I'm not sure if it's worth it with renown catch up etc at this point, while I'm actively raiding
solar spear
but u mainly use it for damage
not that often to help you kite? interesting
solar spear
No phial as NF D:
i will miss my quick boi in the maw though
undone jacinth
I mean if ur really kiting that often then u can hold it
but that isnt really how it goes
amber herald
Good for holding down those little mobs that jump around a lot
silk crane
hey friends, sorry if this is asked a lot. i started studying prot warrior today and did my first few M+ (im a pvp arms warrior at heart).
I wanted to ask- ive been trying to use my shield block as often as possibe, but im not sure how to use ignore pain vs casting revenge. When is the damage preferable to mitigation?
smoky wave
It's great for plague fall, stopping stuff in the bombs or snaring slimes at the first boss.
solar spear
that sounds good actually, will it be much of a problem catching up with covenant stuff when in prog raiding though?
solar spear
hey friends, sorry if this is asked a lot. i started studying prot warrior today...
usually at the start and for aggro, avoid casting revenge outside of that
sweet summit
keep SB up as long as youre taking blockable damage
use IP as a defensive rage spender
thats it
and revenge is your offensive rage spender
so you gotta find the balance that works
silk crane
but thats the thing erga, it seems like i can always spend my rage defensively. im not sure how to balance it
like, i can always choose to just take less damage. when is it better to focus on dealing damage?
plain glen
hey friends, sorry if this is asked a lot. i started studying prot warrior today...
It helps to get a WA or addon that tracks your IP "shield", if it's full (or mostly full) and there's no major damage incoming, you can spare some rage on revenge
silk crane
@plain glen so simply try to always keep it full?
plain glen
<@!599942152906211338> so simply try to always keep it full?
not full, but prefer it over spending rage on revenge
solar spear
often these weakauras show red if you will have any overcapping when casting, which is useful
steady spruce
Anyone has a SoA route with Prideful before 2nd boss?
sweet summit
if you need to keep aggro/need to do damage/not taking a lot of damage
spend on revenge
solar spear
and it's good to pool rage for IP if theres big damage incoming
silk crane
i was doing a plageufall 10 and it felt like i was only ever taking heavy damage
sweet summit
https://pastebin.com/v07T58mF @steady spruce
open monolith
Celly did you have a disease dispel in your group?
open monolith
some of those diseases in plageufall hurt rela bad
sweet summit
why cant i make pastebins
silk crane
right
open monolith
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sweet summit
ye ik
silk crane
i probably wasnt mitigating enough
plain glen
a lot of the mitigation in 10+ is running away kiting the mobs
amber sedge
Hey guys! I expect my guild will be killing Heroic Denathrius for the first time tonight. How good is prot trinket he drops (Sanguine Vintage). Trying to decide what loot spec I should set myself to, and if I'd rather have a shot at the Dreadfire Vessel for when I want more offensive firepower
sweet summit
its good
jagged pier
Hey guys! I expect my guild will be killing Heroic Denathrius for the first time...
its good
onyx inlet
does anyone know if you can spell reflect pattycake? wondering if in a bind and the tank messes up it could be done
open monolith
have to interrupt
knotty holly
Unfortunately I have had no success reflecting patty cake
sweet summit
no u cant :(
onyx inlet
darn
outer solstice
I wonder,.... what is proper armor rn around? I feel like I am missing something I'm just around 1650 armor, meanign 39.xx % physical reduction but I think I've been over 50% already, am I just missing some buff?
oh wait strength goes into armor 1:1 does it?
so flask/food will help
open monolith
armor isn't really something you pay attention to. Just equip higher ilvl gear as you get it
open monolith
no idea
outer solstice
but I like to know my numbers to see if I am missing any specific buff,.... but I think I've forgotten the strength = armor conversion
outer solstice
that's why it's just curiosity
I wonder if there is any useful shield with haste on it
Otherwise I'll just buy the PvP shield on wednesday
rough egret
yesterday I realized that you cant overlap bolster with SB, thats very nice change 😄
- im not playing warr from start of exp.
edgy venture
Should I be using Brutal Vitality or Stalwart Guardian in the endurance conduit slot if I'm using The Wall?
Brutal Vitality adding 5% of dmg done to the current Ignore Pain.
Stalwart Guardian shortens cooldown of Shield Wall
(just as a reminder if can't tell by name)
open monolith
BV sucks
probably use stalwart
but they all suck
so just plug the one in that you like the best
edgy venture
been using Stalwart so ill just keep using that then.
outer solstice
I like unnverving focus + stalwart
royal marten
Noticably worse, at least. The lack of owl girl bath water is rough
smoky sparrow
just wondering because even as kyrian warrior tanking is kinda meh, so deciding whether to just full on commit to raiding as venthyr warrior with maybe occasional m+ tanking
jagged pier
I mean kyrian is still better for raiding
smoky sparrow
i dont tank for my raids
jagged pier
if your not a main tank then, i doubt youll push keys as a tank so then your covenant wont matter
sick sentinel
group malding out today because we didn't time a key that healer died to 2nd boss mechanics and we wiped when i said we had to clear another pack for 4% to time
outer solstice
night fae is quite close in performance on raids as DPS
so you migth want to go that route, it also helps with kiting, which is quite common in M+ as well as cater shit
that's my way, Raid DPS and M+ tank
smoky sparrow
im in a spot where i raid dps but like to do my own keys too, just that it sucks when you're not a venthyr warrior and cant spam condemn
sick sentinel
angry DH and dps warrior in the group, ugh lol
outer solstice
but kyrian should work quite good as well for both
void moat
I mean to be fair the second best tank in world is venthir
Bc he mains arms
In io i mean
So just do what u like
Imo
outer solstice
@smoky sparrow kyrian and NF are not that far off
void moat
Point is u can make venthir work just as well as the others. U just have to know what u can do
smoky sparrow
what i mean is condemn is a significant boost in dmg, so thast why im considering swithcing mainly to dps
yeah fair point
smoky sparrow
like the spear is really good not gonna lie in M+, but i feel ike warriors just kinda die
outer solstice
NF and kyrian are a lot closer
void moat
Warriors can be quite sturdy
But all tanks have to kite
Thats not a warrior exclusive thing
smoky sparrow
and imo the phial really only stands out this week specifically with necrotic, other than that its not gamebreaking
outer solstice
even then, you can't really facetank them anyway
smoky sparrow
yeah the root doesnt help with spellcasters unfortuantely lol
which is most of what we die to in M+
i mean i coudl be wrong and just bad lol
outer solstice
that's where NF comes in with an effective 12 sec anti-caster field
void moat
It does stand out but we have leap and mostly proactive cooldowns (u reduce damage outright so u can stsy heslthy before stacks get too high)
outer solstice
(unless it's this week)
smoky sparrow
yeah tbh the phial cd is quite long too
smoky sparrow
thanks bruh
smoky sparrow
yeah the thing is tanking hasnt been that fun this expansion so far anyways
in m+
its nice to get fast groups
void moat
Really?
Man i love it
Ive had to get creative a lot
And thats what i like most
Domt fear failure
Dont fear breaking keys
FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU
smoky sparrow
haha yeah im kinda leaning towards dps recently
void moat
Then go for it and cleave like a machine
smoky sparrow
think the general consensus is that warriors kinda fall behind every class in every spec
but im not a top tier raider either so gues it doesnt matter
void moat
U really gotta get ur head out of that
Ur looking st global stats of the highest end possible
I had a m+ where an atms kept up with a mythic raider MM
Bc he KNEW his class super well
outer solstice
warrior is fine in M+
void moat
He knew where to use his cds
outer solstice
it's ST performance where warriors fall behind, arms not that much luckily, but still noticeable
smoky sparrow
yeah M+ dps isnt bad
outer solstice
as arms you can alternate your CDs and mid keys you'll top meters quite easily on trash
in mid keys...
void moat
Thats not true. In high keys they are wonderful to have
outer solstice
I mean,... in mid keys you can alternate
outer solstice
lik 10-15 I'd say
void moat
He means like 7-9 i think
torn garden
69-420
void moat
LMAO
outer solstice
in high keys you have to be much more aware and maybe zerg a not so dangerous pack to have your CDs ready on dangerous ones
smoky sparrow
yeah thats a given
tbh i dont really have problems with a guild group
its just that its so noticeable with a pug
outer solstice
that's all I was referring to, in terms of alternating CDs
smoky sparrow
u have these guys in alternating blues trying to do 10s
outer solstice
not much thinking
smoky sparrow
then blame u
oblique quarry
is it better for me to put thunderlord on my back or my shoulders
outer solstice
thunderlord doesn't go on either I think
mine is on boots
wall is on shoulders/back
sand ridge
Looks like both guides are putting haste vers as stat prio, is there a reason almost every mythic progressed warrior is mastery stacking?
void moat
Mine is on boots
outer solstice
@sand ridge gear luck?
sand ridge
Was guessing that, just looked up the top4 and thought this seems odd
outer solstice
also are they mastery stacking or haste stacking?
sand ridge
Mastery is almost double haste for all, sometimes like 34% to 10%
outer solstice
I mean I have 41% haste with itf and not a single mytic raid item,... might be that once I get some pieces I drop massively as well
void moat
So its deceptive
outer solstice
yeah look at the rating ^^
not the %
btw gys, how do you deal with prideful this week, do you facetank it?
dense umbra
Only issue is the tyrannical bosses tbh
Struggled to time Mists +13 just from sheer length of boss fights
muted pendant
thats a dps issue then
steel mauve
Looks like both guides are putting haste vers as stat prio, is there a reason al...
remember, the guides state haste as a stat is higher priority, but they also state ilvl > haste, ilvl is king for us outside of certain circumstances with jewelry, and with how loot is in shadowlands, its harder to farm specific pieces for certain stats
undone jacinth
mastery also does significantly more damage
and isnt really much behind defensively
amber herald
btw gys, how do you deal with prideful this week, do you facetank it?
Use your SB/IP as usual and try to chain spell reflect and demoralising shout one after the other as the stacks on the prideful get higher
it does pulsing aoe that gets harder hitting the higher it's stacks go
So if you demo shout then spell reflect beginning at 10 stacks that can mitigate a lot of the prideful mob's damage
And yeah just facetank it, prideful doesn't stack necrotic so it's whatever
novel willow
how long should I keep chasing haste? broke 20% yesterday and wondering if I just keep looking for more
steel mauve
you never stop
novel willow
even with the dr on secondaries?
steel mauve
ya, its always good, there arent any caps you can reach that devalue it past other secondaries, again, ilvl > haste but you always want more haste
cerulean goblet
I cry
outer solstice
the softcap for SB would be around 160% or not?
steel mauve
thats what people have mathed out
outer solstice
oh well high keys,... how many ppl actually do 15+ ?
what bothers me about these pics is that ppl assume warriors are not viable in low keys....
damn retards
novel willow
if you're a tank you'll get in lower keys just cuz people are desp for tanks
royal marten
if yer not first yer last
novel willow
I get in groups with higher io than mine lots when tanking, can be the shittiest tank class in the history of the game but if someones been waiting for a tank for their +11 for an hour you'll get in lol
strong forum
doing keys, if anyone cares btw
jagged pier
same 
stable knoll
Hey folks, can somone tell me abaout what i need for Thunderlord?
I have the item from the instance Thunderlord
i need 2 stats?
spiral cobalt
Guys, into the fray good for m+ or stick to ravager?
spiral cobalt
Hey folks, can somone tell me abaout what i need for Thunderlord?
I have the ite...
You need to buy 2 of <missive of xxx> from AH
xxx being hate, vers, crit, mastery
and you need to buy shadowghast pauldrons, there is 190, 210, 225 and 235, + soul ash
stable knoll
yo ty all
jagged pier
Guys, into the fray good for m+ or stick to ravager?
you can go ither its preference
sick sentinel
i will continue to play p war regardless i think
spiral cobalt
you can go ither its preference
what exactly is the benefit of haste? i still dont understand
sick sentinel
shorter cooldowns
pseudo raptor
Fast make brain go brrr.
sweet summit
higher rage generation, shorter cooldowns
jagged pier
what exactly is the benefit of haste? i still dont understand
higher rage gen shorter cds
dense spade
Anybody go from kyrian to night fae or vice versa? I know both covenants are decent for prot but feel like I'd miss the tether on spear of bastion if I were to go night fae. Definitely prefer to feel of night fae though. Cant stand the blue nerds
sick sentinel
need to run torghast and some kind of raid today/tomorrow
regal saddle
I miss the bleed removal more then the tether 😦
regal saddle
I did a big dumb, so I’m like 3-4 weeks of going back
regal saddle
Yea, on my Paladin I have like 3 ways to drop bleed 4 if I went dwarf , then I go to my warrior and I have none expect for my stubby legs
sick sentinel
undead one is pretty good too
bitter crest
@strong forum On twitch? Can't find your name.
zenith monolith
do you guys try to bug out oryphrion on spires?
how ?
lofty nexus
can you run past 2nd boss in SD (Tarvold) without pulling him?
spiral cobalt
i just ragequit
my plaguefall 7 group just refused to pick up adds on 3rd boss for 9 consecutive wipes
im done
i can get 2, but i just needed people to get me the other 2
but no
they dont want to
bitter crest
@strong forum Nevermind. Found you, sorry.
spiral cobalt
and i get blamed
bitter crest
@spiral cobalt I don't expect anything in a pug. So i collect them myself.
spiral cobalt
mate how
they are on 2 ends of the room sometimes
so you HL to one cluster, then what do you do for the others
lofty nexus
i save ravager for one of them. not sure if optimal but does the trick
bitter crest
Jump + range on TC. Don't find it that hard. You can see there they are.
I ravager then they are with the boss.
+use
bitter crest
Into the fray is for raid.
toxic gyro
I mean if u told your group to get them then it’s their fault
bitter crest
If you are willling to learn, you can't be the baddy. :)
spiral cobalt
Into the fray is for raid.
jakey told me its for m+ too
/wrists
guess i picked the wrong m+
anyways thanks guys
ravager for next time
i knew this grp was f**ked when they ignored the adds on the first boss
bitter crest
In the end it's personal preference. Your run won't be 5 min faster because of this.
spiral cobalt
that talent choice cost me 9 wipes
bitter crest
No.
spiral cobalt
without ravager no way im getting all adds myself
bitter crest
Ravager won't save anything, when your grp is bad.
spiral cobalt
without compromising my surv
bitter crest
Sure you can. I try to jump between too that mostly are close together, then the other two.
modern brook
Rav>Itf doesnt make your team not while to a boss
Itf has a place in the keys cause tyr bosses are actually nuts rn
spiral cobalt
Sure you can. I try to jump between too that mostly are close together, then the...
you must have a crazy healer because I was getting r*ped by these adds while running around the room
with shield wall on
lofty nexus
getting stabbed in the back?
modern brook
Sounds it
fallow mortar
that adds spawn in the middle of the webs, you just need to heroic leap into the middle of one web, revenge a few more while you have the speed buff from the heroic leap talent, and finally TC when your speed buff is gone.
modern brook
😬
fallow mortar
you think I am bullshitting, but you have to do that sometimes
fallow mortar
you don't last long on puzzles, do you?
modern brook
Idk I think uninstalling to a +7 pugs is a bit extreme
You just re-q after a snack my guy
signal plover
@spiral cobalt was your group dispelling the tank debuff that increases the nature dmg taken? Makes a massive difference
strong forum
with heroic leap + bounding strike you have it ready for every add phase
and you can get all adds that way if youre quick
however the adds are busted AF and necrotic fucks you over REAL quick
modern brook
P h i a l b o y s
gray spear
Hi guys, any recommendation on name plates addon for tanking?
strong forum
plater
modern brook
Elvui default Is servicable
blazing condor
im sure there are better options today but ive always used threatplates
but i think they all do the same stuff tbh
modern brook
Yeah we dont exactly need to track dw uptime. Just need to know if we have aggro at a glance
strong forum
yes
gray spear
thanks ill check it out
blazing condor
do you boys use devastator or something else?
strong forum
deva 100%
blazing condor
its weird returning to the changes after bfa
sweet summit
devastator