no
#protection
undone jacinth
and you've refreshed your client?
olive notch
i think it's too low
literally 2 mythics, and they were both plaguefall
so maybe my io is too low to be registered
undone jacinth
its possible thats the case yeah
I dont think ive ever seen a score under 200 or so
olive notch
okay
undone jacinth
maybe under 100
undone jacinth
its ok
you get more for each level of key, so a 6 might get you 60, 7 will be 70 etc
but you get more for timing it than missing timer
olive notch
okay i see
undone jacinth
so 60 for timed, 40 or something for not timed
olive notch
so I got a double loot in m+4
but then i did a +6 and we failed
so how does that effect my io
will people see I failed
strong forum
it depends on how much you overtimed
undone jacinth
not timed keys are worth less but they can still be worth more than a lower key
because they are harder
strong forum
if you overtimed by only a few seconds itll be 46 or smth
cinder nova
Did wago move over their infrastructure for MDT over to Manbaby yet?
strong forum
if you overtimed by many minutes, itll be worth way less
olive notch
okay
strong forum
Did wago move over their infrastructure for MDT over to Manbaby yet?
nnoggie reverted his change
and removed the paywall
olive notch
and how can I get groups as dps with no score
do i have to run my own keys?
is that the only way
strong forum
ye
olive notch
:/
cinder nova
Ah, still disabled on wago. Any idea when that'll be back online?
olive notch
yeah the io score is too elitist
undone jacinth
you could find +2s and stuff where the people dont even look at rio, that's possible
olive notch
it's v hard to get into for a pvper
undone jacinth
but as you start to go higher they are more likely to check
you can probably find 5s-7s where they dont really check
cinder nova
I think io is kinda gatekeepy, but it does serve a purpose.
olive notch
if I go prot do you think people are more inclined to take me despite my v low io score?
cinder nova
You can't look at io and say it's elitist when in PVP CR and achieve experience is equally used.
olive notch
on my other char
undone jacinth
yeah tanks are harder to find
but still if you enjoy rogue definitely try to climb with your own keys
olive notch
I didn't say people aren't elitist in pvp @cinder nova
sick sentinel
the fact of the matter is that if you’re someone who is mad they don’t get into keys for low io it’s probably because you don’t deserve to be in them
people don’t want their time wasted and you can’t blame them for that
cinder nova
^
olive notch
I basically just leveled a warr, but just wondering if I'll have an easier time getting io score playing prot over arms
undone jacinth
you will
cinder nova
I got into a +10 that got depleted because I was the only one over 650
undone jacinth
because tanks find groups quicker
it wont be easier to time keys, but it will be easier to find groups
olive notch
@sick sentinel yes makes sense
cinder nova
Everyone else was missing kicks and shit
undone jacinth
so its faster but not easier
olive notch
but I mean are people more lenient if you are a tank
undone jacinth
to a certain extent
as you get in to higher keys they still need experience
but the point is u are competing against much less players
sick sentinel
generally yes because less tanks apply to every key so you have less competition. still need to be reasonable score for the key level tho
cinder nova
Yeah, but people are still shy about warriors because "mUh StReAmEr SaId WaRrIoR iS bAd."
I've been passed over for worse io tanks because of my class before.
olive notch
okay but for ex. if I play my rogue at 196 ilvl and try get a +6 key vs playing my prot at 185 and trying to get it
undone jacinth
prot will find more keys probably
olive notch
okay
and if i get more io score playing prot, can i use that on my rogue to get better groups?
undone jacinth
they will see its tank rating is one problem
cinder nova
Potentially, but also not really.
undone jacinth
but if u have higher score u can use that
cinder nova
Just because you can score as a tank doesn't mean you can as a DPS.
olive notch
so basically is it worth it to rank up my io score to play dps on my main in mythics eventually
undone jacinth
it will help u but it wont solve the issue fully
sick sentinel
honestly just play what you want to play and work on that
don’t make a tank just to eventually use it as leverage for an invite as a dps
clear ruin
^
sick sentinel
that’s definitely not worth it
olive notch
okay
undone jacinth
overall its going to be quicker for u just to find ur own keys
olive notch
that was the q
undone jacinth
on rogue
olive notch
okay i see
clear ruin
There are people out there that won't accept anything that isn't vegence dh
olive notch
so basically, no shortcuts just HAVE to push my own key on dps
clear ruin
so just play whatever you want
cinder nova
Using your own keys will definitely mean you get a lot more power over where you go and who you bring rather than being at that mercy to others.
sick sentinel
rogue is luckily a desirable class for keys so just push your own key and work your score up
undone jacinth
tanking is definitely quicker to find groups like I said but if ur goal is to play rogue at a higher level
olive notch
yeah the sad thing is I play sub
undone jacinth
definitely go rogue
sick sentinel
sub is fine
undone jacinth
they cant see ur spec
cinder nova
I know if I use my +11 right now I'm only taking people who know what they're about - minimum a fire mage and r sham for that thick DPS and windfury
undone jacinth
when they invite
olive notch
and its hard to get a leg for outlaw
when im trying to rank up sub leg
is it fine for me to get 2 leg?
for each spec
sick sentinel
yeah
undone jacinth
yeah
undone jacinth
but u can just play sub as well
olive notch
okay that's good
sick sentinel
sub is still a top tier melee for dungeons
clear ruin
I only roll with 3 sv hunter dps
olive notch
I thought outlaw was compulsory for pve
clear ruin
<.< >.>
sick sentinel
no
undone jacinth
nothing is compulsory til the very very top levels
sick sentinel
^
olive notch
okay
undone jacinth
which are unreachable for almost everybody
sick sentinel
if you’re not doing 18-20 keys it doesn’t matter
clear ruin
^
sick sentinel
anyone who tells you it does is a fucking idiot lmao
sick sentinel
sub does good dps
olive notch
and go 2nd leg
sick sentinel
literally play what you enjoy and are comfortable on and get good at it
olive notch
cause I'm worried about leveling 2 leg's
sick sentinel
that’s literally all you have to do
every spec in the game does good damage if you’re good at it
olive notch
okay
clear ruin
There are survival hunters that play well enough to our dps marksman... just think about it... it's not always about what is meta
olive notch
so i can legit play sub for m+
sick sentinel
yes
undone jacinth
yeah for sure
just dont get disheartened while pugging, it can be rough for everyone
olive notch
and my crit legendary is fine for m+?
sick sentinel
yes
olive notch
okay cause I was worried I had to get 2 different leg's for pvp / pve
was worried people wouldnt accept 190 ilvl leg
sick sentinel
if anyone roasts you for a 190 ilvl leg they’re a retard
olive notch
okay but at some point people wont take sub over outlaw?
undone jacinth
they wont see ur items before u join the group
sick sentinel
i timed a 14 on my alt this week that doesn’t have a legendary
it literally does not matter
undone jacinth
and once uve joined u wont get kicked very often
olive notch
nice 😄
olive notch
and io !
undone jacinth
yup
olive notch
how long would it take me to get an acceptable io
undone jacinth
but some people in those lower keys wont even use io
earnest fox
190 thunderlord > 190 The Wall > 235 Thunderlord > 235 the wall
clear ruin
Hirschy play whats fun for you! 😄
undone jacinth
io is different for every level
earnest fox
Is priority
undone jacinth
so if u wanna do 7s then a few hundred io is gonna be fine
if u wanna do 10s, bit higher etc
undone jacinth
well
sick sentinel
bro just go do some dungeons man
earnest fox
5250 for rank 4 right?
sick sentinel
it’s not this complicated
undone jacinth
lol
sick sentinel
your score is based off your best run for each dungeon, so do a run of each dungeon
then try to do some at higher levels
silver trout
lol
olive notch
and it cant be reduced?
undone jacinth
once u feel comfortable doing ur own 5s or 7s or whatever, u will have enough score to get in to more
olive notch
okay
undone jacinth
just from having done enough
olive notch
so I just have to do my keys as a dps
sick sentinel
yep
olive notch
and gain io rating
clear ruin
yeah dude - I'm running sv hunter as my alt... I'm the most rejected class
olive notch
seems I can't be picky at ALL as dps xd
undone jacinth
if ur making ur own groups u get to be the picky one
clear ruin
^
sick sentinel
rejection is part of pugging m+
undone jacinth
and if u learn the dungeons urself, as a rogue u can carry ur group with all the kicks and stuff u can do
sick sentinel
it never stops
clear ruin
exactly - I just going to do my own keys and roll with my guildies
earnest fox
Boy soon as they let 2 legndarys, leaper and the wall for mythic +
Kite all day long
clear ruin
^ fo real
undone jacinth
been waiting to be able to kite more for so long!!
olive notch
okay I guess I have to stop trying to be efficient and accept I have to grind m+ just for io to get shit I do want EVENTUALLY lol
sick sentinel
no matter what your class or score is you will get rejected just by nature of the system. every key has like 10-50 people who apply to it and only 5 people get to do the dungeon. obviously rejection will happen
undone jacinth
the thing is its not just about grinding score
olive notch
rejection hurts 😦
olive notch
of course
undone jacinth
otherwise when u get higher u will fail
clear ruin
exactly - I've pugged with people expecting them to be good cause they rolling meta and they do trash dps
olive notch
but what I mean is I have to grind stuff I don't 'need'
undone jacinth
u gotta learn as with everything
like when u started pvp u had to grind 0-1400 rating right
for the first time
to learn how to kill ppl
olive notch
so you don't think I should use warr as pve'er and then use his io to get bis for rogue
clear ruin
^
undone jacinth
not unles u wanna play tank
clear ruin
people like sub rogues dude
olive notch
well that's what i was wondering too
clear ruin
don't stress
olive notch
maybe I like tanking
but always been a dps
so that's initially what I was asking
if prot pal pve is fun
sick sentinel
tanking is by far the most involved role in m+ so if you’re learning it for the first time i wouldn’t recommend tanking
but if you want to go for it, go for it
olive notch
i've obvs dungeoned / raided before and done m+ last xpac
just never as tank
so was jw if it is genuinly fun
clear ruin
hehehe - you will soon realize how important the tank roll is 😛
clear ruin
that's the right mindset
olive notch
there's a reason the majority role dps
but jw if I'll be happy as tank and then I can speedrun content haha
by getting groups
undone jacinth
I personally stopped finding dps fun
and now I can only dps a few keys before I get bored and wanna tank again
but a lot of people don't enjoy it so that's not normal
they just wanna be top of that meter
olive notch
the meter is what inspires me
sadly
gives me realtime feedback on my impact
either way, thanks v much for the help
really appreciate everyone ❤️
undone jacinth
nps
nice to have something to read while I'm wiping in my timewalking dungeon anyway xd
tuning on pit of saron is very spicy
violet flume
anyone else feel like theyre just sitting waiting for rage as prot?
clear ruin
not often. If that happens it's usually cause wasn't managing things well
or something happens i didn't expect
modern brook
no i use shiled slam to generate rage :^)
clear ruin
thunderclap, demo shout, spear will generate rage
violet flume
I guess I feel like sometimes Im waiting for devastaor auto attacks and just not pressing anything?
clear ruin
if you plan your rage generators around where you feel yourself slowing down you will smooth out the play style
if you do demo shout, and spear together you will have a slow down later on
for example
wheat sleet
I guess I feel like sometimes Im waiting for devastaor auto attacks and just not...
yeah it'll be like that sometimes it's normal
as long as you're not dying or losing aggro it's all good
violet flume
I miss heroic strike 😦
tired cove
@shut summit when do you +10 or higher of TOP which way do you go first ? for prideful timings ?
tall mural
You can spawn mordretha prideful on tyrannical weeks. You pull the three at the start then skip the enraging dog until the end. This also lets you spawn prideful on the necromancer which is a hard boss for healers.
neat parcel
honestly, I switched from devastator to punish in the first tier of talent
wheat sleet
a is absorbed I think, judging from the context
wheat sleet
Armor, Block, U?, Mitigated?
U is most likely the total damage, before any mitigation
neat dirge
yeah i assummed that too
wheat sleet
as 48k is about 80% of 61k
sleek thorn
<@!105027920459776000> when do you +10 or higher of TOP which way do you go firs...
Dratnos says go straight to Zev
sweet abyss
!gear
undone jacinth
depends if u kill the pack at the start or not
but theres a natural lineup with pride on zev if u kill it
then natural lineup with kul at the end, which is what I prefer
and u can make it line up with chop with an invis pot and then circling back to kill the mobs
sweet abyss
which trinkets do you guys think are the best for us? m+/raid
undone jacinth
check pins, read guide
sweet abyss
i'm obviously asking after reading those
quiet stream
this any good?
tired cove
ahh okay @sleek thorn and @undone jacinth
chilly brook
undone jacinth
i'm obviously asking after reading those
? well it tells u in there so?
chilly brook
sweet abyss
and it literally technically tells you 8 different trinket options
chilly brook
this any good?
Looks bad to me
cinder nova
Jesus christ
Got out of a 10 where the fire mage was averaging 2.1K
How do you even fuck up so bad
undone jacinth
and it literally technically tells you 8 different trinket options
yeah it tells u 2 for dmg, 2 for survive from each of raid and m+, which is what u asked for
what more do u want
I've had mages like that in +5s/+7s etc but dunno how they make it to a 10
grand drum
wtf is killing me on lord chamberlain in HoA?
quiet stream
Looks bad to me
yeah i wasnt too concerned with the equip, more over the avoidance. its about 3%. just didnt know if it was any good
sweet abyss
@undone jacinth sorry, let me get hyper fucking specific for you
which two are the best
undone jacinth
wtf do u mean by best
chilly brook
3% avoidance is neglibible
undone jacinth
scale does damage and defense and is generally the best in m+ setting
apart from that
the options are right there
read what they do and decide which one u want
sweet abyss
and i'm asking if there is any one of them that will significantly outperform the others
undone jacinth
no
sweet abyss
thank you
grand drum
50% of my damage taken was stigma of pride
tooltip says it does 2000 damage every 2 seconds, feels like way more than that
grand drum
oh it increases damage every tick thats why
undone jacinth
yeah
its just a defense thing
just have to plan something for it
there's not much to deal with in the fight tbh
grand drum
never read the tooltip so i always used a defensive at the beginning of the cast lol
undone jacinth
haha yeah that's the way it goes til it starts to kill u
chilly brook
2 chesting a 12 Mists is only 125 points >.>
So I need to bump up my DOS and PF to 13s and then I'll hit 1k
harsh bough
for general gameplay like if i mix it up with m+ and raiding what is the best legendary
undone jacinth
the wall if u want something defensive
god knows what if u want something offensive
clear ruin
right
undone jacinth
arbiter maybe lol
clear ruin
that or tormented kings
undone jacinth
yeah probs
clear ruin
i've seen some high keys tanked with that
undone jacinth
2 chesting a 12 Mists is only 125 points >.>
mists should give pts 3 levels below its key level xd
harsh bough
#1 is running ravager lol
sweet surge
Does Signet leggo proc off of Protection Warr's Ravager?
sweet surge
That's... like...
chilly brook
stupid yes
candid meadow
A ilvl 200 Viscera of Coalesced Hatred would out weigh a ilvl 184 Decanter of Anima-Charged Winds correct? I like the frontal cone on the decanter, but I am thinking the 16 ilvl boost, 9 str, and the single-target dmg with heals is a done deal.
undone jacinth
u only get recklessness for like 5seconds but u can do ur bastion/execute/shield slam etc during that time
sweet surge
I mean, it not proccing off of Ravager is a humongous nerf
it makes it literally 2/3rds less valuable
undone jacinth
uh
sweet surge
45s cd on Rav, 1.5m on Avatar if you're running Bolster, which you are
undone jacinth
I see what u mean yeah
AM changes that
what is also weird is that if you avatar u get bladestorm
even if talented to ravager
but with arms u get ravager
sweet surge
kekw
undone jacinth
if ur talented in to it
and bladestorm if ur not
it'd be better if u get ravager as well due to the rage gen
it's kinda mental
undone jacinth
A ilvl 200 Viscera of Coalesced Hatred would out weigh a ilvl 184 Decanter of An...
decanter is pretty trash in my experience, viscera not great either but better single target and more str, would just take it for now
candid meadow
thanks!
undone jacinth
did u check ur loot spec 😋
stoic igloo
yes 😦
I switched right before I opened the cache
and then I got drustlord's greataxe
alll I wanted was a shield! alas!
undone jacinth
loot is probably decided when the boss dies
stoic igloo
alas!
tired cove
when you're prot and you get rec to proc tormented kings has you on a serious high in aoe pulls lol
opal wagon
Aspiring prot warrior here, is the shield wall or thunder clap legendary prioritized?
ocean yoke
happy new years to the best warrior and tank spec
lavish oracle
@opal wagon The Wall is better in raid, they're both pretty even in M+ pick your favorite
sweet surge
prot is good
signal plover
Tbh all tanks are worth playing as long as u play em well
bleak wyvern
prot is the affliction of tanks
lyric nest
uh not really sure where to ask this but
i plan on playing mostly prot but a little bit of arms and or fury in there
i do m+ and pvp
is kyrian the way to go in that situation
mighty lark
yes
lyric nest
i was afraid of that, all my characters are gonna be kyrian haha, i just want the necrolord transmog, guess i'll level my dk for that
opal wagon
just starting out, I feel like I'm capping super hard on rage a lot, is it ok to just dump into revenge if I'm just hella overcapped?
mellow patio
Yes. You’ll eventually find a balance between IP and revenge that best suits your gameplay
But capping rage hard is not good you’ll want to avoid that
opal wagon
Yeah I figured
just wasn't sure how worth revenge was
compared to just like dumping into IP
I'm so prot ignorant it's insane
smoky wave
Decisions decisions, got thunder Lord rank 2 boots, is it worth saving a bit and crafting the wall2 or just boosting my boots to 3 for m+? 🤔
dawn imp
ive been switching more and more to the wall over thunder thighs the more i delve into higher keys
tall mural
Might've seen this or in another discord but on Amarth in NW, you can CC the mages and not have them explode to harvest? We've always just kicked and bursted them but it's been getting hairy at higher keys.
undone jacinth
yeh you can cc them
smoky wave
ive been switching more and more to the wall over thunder thighs the more i delv...
Been seeing this more and more, might give that a go then
undone jacinth
shackle undead, trap, paralysis
stuck oriole
im hitting a wall on pugging 11s i seem to take too much damage on necrotic
can someone look at my shit and see if im doing anything obviously wrong on the stats side
my trinkets are bad that might be holding me back
i only have really one good one
my lego is the demoralizing shout one think i may have to switch to wall
undone jacinth
only noticeable thing is u have a really bad shield
undone jacinth
it’s ur lowest item and it’s the most important
stuck oriole
ill farm out a shield and see if it helps
stuck oriole
night fae
vocal bison
stuck oriole
because im dwarf with racial it worksabout te same
i have like jenk phial with pots and dwarf
aight ill rock those
undone jacinth
yeah it’s ok but tbh overall this week is just very hard
stuck oriole
i find the 10s really easy
its strange
but 11s hit different
which it shouldnt its not that much of a bump
and i can auto pilot through a 9
undone jacinth
yeah I mean that’s how it goes, there’s always that first threshold where u start to run out of cds, stuff lives that 10seconds too long etc
outer solstice
btw do pets count for itf ?
undone jacinth
there’s probably things u could be doing better but can’t see ur play
outer solstice
we might be a tad short on melees on sludge for it to be maxed
stuck oriole
yeah 100% next time im streaming ill let you know just incase theres any thing you see like right away
undone jacinth
sure
these tyrannical weeks always feel like more of a group effort to me though
feel sorry for the healers
stuck oriole
its savage on them
undone jacinth
btw do pets count for itf ?
I think so yeah, it counts critters so probably should do!
not 100% though
sacred roost
I'm having a ruff, ruff time on 8's this week. Not sure if it's something I'm doing, or what.
undone jacinth
need a bit more info :p
sacred roost
that's gear, but it feels bad
err, that's my arms set 🙂
wait, no it's not, picture and equipt gear don't match
that's tank set
except I have pvp haste/versa boots now
undone jacinth
well u can change talents to devastator first row, ravager second last and bolster last... bolster will help you a decent bit, but some bosses at your ilvl are going to start getting tough
just have to try to portion out your defensives evenly on bosses
sacred roost
what do I do to get my ilvl up if I can't do higher keys?
stuck oriole
id personally find something to replace the stoneheart. it sounds good on paper but theres been too many times where i manually click it off because of the movespeed slow
undone jacinth
you can do them for sure, but it’s just a harder week than usual
sacred roost
I have Viscera of coalesced hatred.
undone jacinth
so u have to be more careful with ur necrotic stacks etc
outer solstice
you can do raid for pieces and PvP to fill in blank slots
outer solstice
the biggest up from the PvP gear is that you can choose the slot
sacred roost
can't find a pvp teammate, it's been sucking, I've been tryingreally hard to 😦
undone jacinth
so u can buy a 200 ilvl shield with just conquest alone, u don’t even need any rating
you can just queue skirmishes alone and you get conquest, only need like 400 or something of it
or even do bgs
outer solstice
you can also do daily bgs
undone jacinth
blizz definitely hired a guy who likes pvp
outer solstice
which dungeon?
oblique jolt
necrotic wake
outer solstice
68?
undone jacinth
68.3
oblique jolt
68%? thanks!
outer solstice
ty dolphin
undone jacinth
np, I always end up with 68.8 tho!
outer solstice
just on point
undone jacinth
Then deplete the key on Amarth anyways
outer solstice
amarth is a crazy DPS check I feel like, but if you bring 2 spears it shoudl be not too hard
undone jacinth
It’s just the coordination needed, then u cc and someone breaks it so u all die
oblique jolt
spear on first then two on second for tyrannical?
undone jacinth
Ur choice, I double spear, orb and hammer Amarth because I have ptsd
outer solstice
you can even trippe spear on 2ndd xD
oblique jolt
yea my main is an aff lock and 2nd boss is kinda difficult
outer solstice
let's say you can cheese around the coordination on the 2n dboss if you have enough DPS
spare cobalt
Uhh
On the 16 we did this week we speared 1st, spear and double orb second, spear 3rd
Did 1 orb first add phase 1 orb second
static laurel
saw a cat earlier on raider.io tanking high mythics with signet ring
How's that working with prot? good? bad?
coral marsh
its really bad
it doesnt work with ravager on prot
so you only proc it on avatar
and it will always give you bladestorm or recklessness, never ravager
the dude just offspecced arms
jagged pier
How's that working with prot? good? bad?
its not really bad its not going to stop you pushing its just not the best, thing is alot of high prots atm are dps mains so they have that leggo
dark lark
You must be thinking of Shuib, who's currently streaming
chilly brook
I think I'm pretty pleased with how that commentary turned out even if I'm kinda rubbish at it
edgy venture
Am I griefing if I go prot in rated bgs.
dark lark
Probably
dark lark
Sure but youre better off with bear for node camping / flag running
Warrior is too much of a wheel chair
edgy venture
just considering doing the pvp vault stuff.
dark lark
And if you're playing prot war, chances are you're playing kyrian and kyrian arms is braindead strong in pvp
edgy venture
gotta look for a 2hander 🤔
dark lark
I'm using a 184 from m0 and my war is 1800 in 2s
edgy venture
No arena for me.
chilly brook
Or get the 180 weapon from the world quest
summer finch
progressing on H denath - seems like Punish is kinda required cause of how much damage you take
dark lark
The 2s comment was more of an indictment at how strong arms is in pvp
edgy venture
Or get the 180 weapon from the world quest
? where
summer finch
is devestator usable at all?
chilly brook
chilly brook
is devestator usable at all?
Punish likely won't be the difference between you living and dying on Denathrius
jagged pier
progressing on H denath - seems like Punish is kinda required cause of how much ...
i run dev on sire
in fact i ran dps talents there on wednesday was fine
edgy venture
also griff I dont see the world quest required for Sorrowbane being up on my world quest list.
but ill consider getting that.
chilly brook
So completely off topic but anyone play Immortals Fenyx Rising?
tired cove
Any warrior in here use thunderlords ?
tired cove
So completely off topic but anyone play Immortals Fenyx Rising?
Yes, great platform puzzler
chilly brook
Yes, great platform puzzler
It's like $30 for the switch so might pick it up
humble hull
im thinking about starting to go prot for dungeons but im venthyr. Is it worth it to change covenant?
jagged pier
youll be fine
humble hull
thanks
plush relic
I think the Drought has affected the gear aswell, cant get haste for the life of me. Running on 5% haste at 200ilvl
kindred warren
More
outer solstice
om nom nom need moar
kindred warren
45% or delete
outer solstice
o7
shield has no haste... and I still have 1 socket ready... but not gonna waste that on 200s
sweet summit
what the shit are u hacking
outer solstice
not even any weird buffs, just PvP gear and general haste gear + itf xD
maybe I should equip the cube and use it *think
outer solstice
got the insane haste ring from lady in my bucket this week, nothign else good came up ...
outer solstice
yeah I'm at 28% without itf ^^ it does a lot,... and still not sure if I watn to use it over ravager
neat dirge
it depends on fight
plush relic
had to replace 184 Halkias neck for which gave me almost half of my haste..
honest plinth
Why you replace it
plush relic
got a 200ilvl neck
honest plinth
You still can use 184 with huge haste
outer solstice
conquest neck is pretty nice as well
plush relic
ah
outer solstice
versa/haste
neat dirge
had a vers Crit neck (184) then i got a upgrade, 200 ilvl Crit verse and then another, verse crit 207
kindred warren
Got 213 shriek cape from that first weekly quest
honest plinth
Got boots, and i have tl one haha
kindred warren
Just wondering, from those quests is it loot from bosses you killed or any?
outer solstice
quest or big chest?
outer solstice
it says heroic so I guess any boss
you get the same quest if you haven#t killed any I think
kindred warren
I got normal this week
outer solstice
yeah tw is normal
outer solstice
should be PvP next week?
honest plinth
Use blade storm pray rngesus for for 4 mortals your target is dead
honest plinth
But you need pvp leggo for good results
kindred warren
Hopefully all the other nerds that need the quest like me will que up
Somewhat level playing field
honest plinth
Pvp leggo are gloves bladestorm+random Mortal strikes
kindred warren
If only we could refund for soul ash
Already have 225 wall and 210 death maker
What a waste
In hindsight would’ve never used fury but too late now
void cradle
Hello guys I am still learning something - as protect, what benefit gives us parry?
sweet summit
strength and crit increases our parry
sweet summit
you avoid all damage and debuffs from an attack if you parried it
proper pecan
Anyone else having problems with ReflectGuide url?
versed bough
Do I need to go Anger Management if I have thunderlord?
ionic fern
Anyone else having problems with ReflectGuide url?
Nopw,what kind of issues?
ionic fern
Do I need to go Anger Management if I have thunderlord?
No,but you can if the content you are doing does not warrant Bolster.
versed bough
Im just doing m+
proper pecan
Nopw,what kind of issues?
I can't even access to https://tinyurl.com/ lol. ether my provider or mr.putin dont want me to.
ionic fern
Idk, opens fine for me.
proper pecan
Can someone please DM a full url
worn python
which legendary is better for mythic +? the wall or thunderlord?
ionic fern
Im just doing m+
If the keystone level you are doing does not warrant using extra Block from Bolster you can run AM/UF. Otherwise you should use Bolster/Ravager, even with Thunderlords.
ionic fern
which legendary is better for mythic +? the wall or thunderlord?
Both work fine. Some people prefer The Wall for the extra +5 Rage and lower CD on SW while others like Thunderlord more. Neither will stop you from doing keys.
hardy cloud
what slot is better for thunderlord?
tight tree
boots i think
proper orchid
Hm... I was thinking... could Kleia be worth it this week as a soulbind since that would mean that the phials of serenity give 8 sec immunity to necrotic?
autumn narwhal
Never Surrender vs Indomitable for high keys and why?
cinder nova
NS is shit because it requires you to be almost dead to get any throughput
jagged pier
never, never surrender its trash
autumn narwhal
A lot of people say Indomitable but i have done some testing and I dont agree
cinder nova
Why it even exists as a talent after nobody using it for what? Three? Four expansions?
proper orchid
i am doing +8 and +9 at the moment.... still practicing, so i will give kleia a try 🙂
cinder nova
It's beyond me.
NS isn't going to save you if you're anywhere near where it'll actually get value.
jagged pier
A lot of people say Indomitable but i have done some testing and I dont agree
to get the full benfit of NS you have to already be dead pretty much
cinder nova
And that ^
You have to be below 0 HP for it to have it's capped effect.
Which is just...
Okay blizz
autumn narwhal
nah - I did 2x M+11 - one with never surrender and one with indom
the healing was almost exactly the same
jagged pier
@ionic fern need the maths on this ^^
proper orchid
since kleia has a finesse conduit... which one would be nice there?
cinder nova
Rally
jagged pier
rally
cinder nova
It benefits the entire group by a noticeable chunk
proper orchid
Inspiring presence then? thanks for the answers 🙂
cinder nova
The problem with that logic, Trampy, is that some of that healing is actual "keep your HP from reaching zero" healing and the other side is an absorb.
One that's not even a 100% absorb
proper orchid
doing my second +10 tomorrow
cinder nova
You get value regardless of what you use with Indom
You only get value with NS if you IP
And you're almost dead
autumn narwhal
Indom gives you 10% more stamina, but never surrender gives you more uptime on ignore pain which reduces damage by 50%
cinder nova
It doesn't improve uptime.
slim garden
ah a never surrender discussion again 😂 its funny how they pop up once every 4 months or so.
jagged pier
its doesnt work like that
autumn narwhal
It does because you have more to absorb
cinder nova
It increases the value per cast, and not by a meaningful sum
Trampy if you came here for everyone to agree with you, you came to the wrong place. It sounds like your mind is made.
So if you're not struggling with NS
w/e
jagged pier
youy only get more absorb if your below a certain amount of HP
cinder nova
But we're all going to tell you the same thing: it's suboptimal.
autumn narwhal
its 40% more at 100% hp
jagged pier
it isnt
' based on missing health' you have to be below a certain amount to get any benfit
jagged pier
okay im wrong about the 100% health thing, but im still wrong about the talent
it really isnt good at all
cinder nova
You're giving up our only sustain for it.
It's also already been tested since Legion
It's literally an old ability slapped onto Indom and it was part of our BIS survival kit
And still is.
autumn narwhal
im not aruging for or against - im just not seeing the evidence of the against arguments in game
cinder nova
We're already telling you.
jagged pier
well let me pose you a question, if NS is so good why do no top warriors run it?
cinder nova
If you're low on HP no amount of IP will matter
That's what Indom does - it gives you actual health.
autumn narwhal
We're already telling you.
what you have told me is i was wrong about the 100% health is not 40% - but it is...
cinder nova
5:15 AM] S.: You get value regardless of what you use with Indom
[5:15 AM] S.: You only get value with NS if you IP
[5:15 AM] S.: And you're almost dead
M] S.: The problem with that logic, Trampy, is that some of that healing is actual "keep your HP from reaching zero" healing and the other side is an absorb.
We've told you.
ionic fern
Suup.
cinder nova
NS vs Indom again.
ionic fern
?
cinder nova
Scroll up.
ionic fern
Cba
Being with my family.
This is indom. vs IP.
Now you can do the math
Hopw low on HP you'd have to be for it to beat out indom
cinder nova
The amount of IP you'd get wouldn't supplant the extra HP Trampy
ionic fern
- the 10% HP from Indom
cinder nova
That too.
autumn narwhal
but there is way more uptime for the 50% damage reduction
cinder nova
That literally doesn't matter.
ionic fern
your main mitigation comes from SB.
cinder nova
It wont save you from dying.
Your job is to not die.
Indom keeps you from dying
IP does not.
Even if it's twice as big.
It's still only 50%
jagged pier
and before
cinder nova
Which is always.
jagged pier
as you get 10% hp
cinder nova
Trampy, we're going in circles. You obviously think NS is better so keep playing NS until you hit a brick wall with it.
We're telling you that you can do the math yourself to parse NS vs Indom.
autumn narwhal
S. you are not listening to me
cinder nova
And you're sticking to your guns regardless.
autumn narwhal
obviously this is not the chat to discuss this
ionic fern
It's not like you're not pressing IP without NS.
autumn narwhal
You are going to have IP up regardless.
not in high mythic plus it often gets soaked quickly
ionic fern
What is HIGH mythic plus for you?
cinder nova
???? I was jut doing a +12 and my IP was lasting for upwards of 10s on Mordretha
You can make it last for every big punch you need if you pool rage and use it economically.
autumn narwhal
high keys atm are anything 12+
ionic fern
The screenshot i posted was from a +14.
cinder nova
autumn narwhal
The bosses are not the issue its the trash
ionic fern
I fail to see your argument.
So you are arguing that "I need to press IP less since it can take 2-3 more hits when i'm low on hp and about to die"?
autumn narwhal
No - it falls off less
ionic fern
Do you have any logs?
I'll be back in like 2h or so.
And explain if it's still going on
Or just DM me so i won't forget.
eternal glen
Im serching internet for an hour now and i havent find any answer , can somebody tell me this: is it possible to parry an attack while you have shield block active? Or it always block it?
ionic fern
Im serching internet for an hour now and i havent find any answer , can somebody...
It'a possible.
Just check any log ,melee damage taken with sb up.
eternal glen
Thanks a lot
cinder nova
Pretty sure the game checks block last.
That's how CTC capping worked.
It's 5% miss > dodge > parry > block > hit isn't it?
Do bosses even have 5% miss anymore? 🤔
wheat sleet
speaking of block, can you only block and parry when hit from the front like in classic? I'm guessing it's still the case but the wow wiki doesn't mention it
cinder nova
Yes.
wheat sleet
cool, thanks
cinder nova
You can test that against any world mob by just slamming and then using SB and turning away
grizzled parcel
Hence the importance of backpedaling/strafing
Never turn your back if you can help it
proper orchid
since i take kleia now after asking previously... who already has 2 endurance slots.. do i see that right? for m+ its the last stand conduit and not the shield wall conduit?
signal plover
Oh wow another NS vs indom discussion
neat dirge
the thing is
u only wanna use ignore pain
if you have to
indomtable always values
even when ur fucking going full bangarang revenge spam
ind just such good talent
its always good, it always does its job
sure, u can prob get amazing scenarios using Never surrender, but it will never be as consistant as Indomitable
and ind is alot easier to use
effectivly
you could argue and say "well ind dosnt value when ur at full health"
correct but neither does NS
sick sentinel
if your main function in a group is to take all of the damage why would you ever give something up that gives you 10% more hp at all times
neat dirge
omg
strong forum
Can blizzard delete NS already.
sick sentinel
that's how i look at NS vs ind
strong forum
It's such an annoying discussion to have
cinder nova
It's been a dumpster of a talent for 3-4 xpacks now.
You'd think Blizzard would get the hint.
neat dirge
if NS was in the talent row with Stormbolt
sick sentinel
the amount of healers i encounter who complain about "not using IP" has been astronomical
neat dirge
Maybe it wouldve been picked
woven kiln
NS needs to improve IP in a different way than scaling with low health. You shouldn't plan to be at low health
neat dirge
^
sick sentinel
they think that i press IP and all my troubles go away and i am saf
cinder nova
I mean you should be using IP.
cinder nova
It's padding.
neat dirge
fuck ignore pain fuck shieldblock
use all ur rage on revenge
GET GOOD PARSING
kekw
cinder nova
You're going to take damage regardless. Your job as a tank is to make the damage you take as smooth and predictable as possible, which also makes it easier to heal.
Spikes are the biggest killer.
woven kiln
side note but IP is fucking extremely strong. Mini shield wall. High rage cost SW, but still
cinder nova
If you could literally take all the damage you take in an encounter and make it perfectly equal intake across the entire duration you'd basically never die if your healer wasn't braindead
neat dirge
40 rage cost is alot imo
cinder nova
Or if they are braindead and a shaman.
neat dirge
i only use IP if theres something big comming in
sick sentinel
tank taking a large spike of damage is typically result of failure on tanks part to use a CD for something, not los or just plain get smacked with magic ability, so its on him
cinder nova
Right, but that means if you're taking heavy spikes you're not doing your job.
You're there to hold aggro and smooth your intake.
If you aren't smoothing your intake, you're basically handing the healer all the workload.
sick sentinel
so, tank should be always alive, and doing damage, because shouldnt be in fire, and thus should be doing dps
cinder nova
I mean sure if you wanna get gibbed constantly.
sick sentinel
if you kill it before it can be too many attacks, survival won't be an issue.
neat dirge
woven kiln
revenge vs ip isn't black and white, in either direction:
Rev is more dps, things die faster, you take less damage.
IP is more mitigation, you survive better, fewer extranals wasted on you, less group deaths, more DPS.
Both happen, both positions are valid. it's a hard call.
neat dirge
im meming
cinder nova
DPS is recreational.
neat dirge
ofc i use Ignore pain
cinder nova
It's your desert.
cinder nova
You get to goof around and push numbers when you're not threatened with dying in a given moment.
neat dirge
everyone needs to do good dps
woven kiln
a lot of prot warrs literally just spam revenge and SB
sick sentinel
i've started pre-walling a ton of m+ bosses and hard trash packs before even pulling tbh
cinder nova
Right - when you aren't under direct threat of death and you have enough rage prepared for whatever's about to come your way - DPS as hard as you can.
neat dirge
if theres a boss ability coming in, depending on how hard it initially hit (not bleeds etc) i will use IP
sick sentinel
just smooth things out so i don't get 1 shot when i pull
cinder nova
Bruh Fortified Deathscore on the Death Speakers in DoS on +10 or above keys
SPlat
Reflecting it feels cash tho
cinder nova
Spam your coolies
neat dirge
first pull we BL and Intervene + Shieldwall
woven kiln
fyi this week on ToP, kill melee guy first ion first boss. didn't consider nectoric and wiped. Threw a 16 😦
sick sentinel
what about tornado boss
neat dirge
i did a 12 ToP, i thought it was kinda faceroll
sick sentinel
the trash tonadoe boss lol
cinder nova
Oh
sick sentinel
on platform, haha
woven kiln
when 1st add of 1st boss is dead it's eze, even on 15/16
cinder nova
lol
woven kiln
ysed it on trash
cinder nova
It's good especially if you respec on Kleia
neat dirge
is Kleia worth doe?
proper orchid
kleia makes 8 sec immune to necrotic ^^
cinder nova
You have enough bind slots to swap back for raid tbh
woven kiln
well it's nice. Especially in NW. Busted? Makes up for fomr prot weaknesses imo
cinder nova
Even then you should probably be Kleia anyway if you're hard progging raid for the double endurance slot
But that's just my thought
I'm swapping back to Pelagos when his second potency pops
proper orchid
second endurance slot for m+ is last stand instead of shield wall conduit, right?
cinder nova
I use Unnerving Focus instead of the wall one.
Usually line up LS and Rav
Lots of rage
cinder nova
Ye
proper orchid
yeah, because the vial makes immune to necrotic then
neat dirge
damn, sucks loosing a potancy
but i can see why u would og that way
thanks for the tip!
proper orchid
next week its pelagos again, i would only use kleia at the moment because of the affixc
survivability over all xD
woven kiln
the vial removes stacks, no immunity. Necrotic isn't that bad this week, just wish it wasn't paired with inspiring 🤷♂️
proper orchid
kleia gives 8 seconds immunity to everything the vial removes ^^
woven kiln
o.O
proper orchid
second row, right side
cinder nova
Yep.
proper orchid
didnt test it with necrotic, but should work
neat dirge
can i say something offtopic?
cinder nova
It works.
neat dirge
but still related
woven kiln
it works on toxic rain on PF right?
cinder nova
Not sure.
woven kiln
disease, poison and bleed
proper orchid
didnt play a PF since week 1, we didnt get one
woven kiln
the vial removes her stacks, so should work in theory
neat dirge
check timestamp
cinder nova
You mean heroic leap?
neat dirge
Heroic leap STRIKE
cinder nova
You can already do that
neat dirge
heroic leap is taken from Barbarian in diablo
cinder nova
I do it all the time
neat dirge
that shit is on another level dope
woven kiln
that looks like a charge colossal smash after jumping off a cliff
proper orchid
dito, if charge is on CD, I jump in... then thunder clap
cinder nova
I dome things with SS all the time mid-arc.
woven kiln
you jump to a targeted mob and smash them
tepid barn
having trouble finding an M+ plaugefall guide, with the route, percentages needed, etc. any suggestions?
cinder nova
I have one
woven kiln
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cinder nova
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Fair warning - I'm only like 750 and I made the route myself.
It's done the trick so far.
Your 1st, 3rd, and 5th Prideful will be right before the boss.
woven kiln
any specific reason for left on start? Not seen that yet
cinder nova
The 2nd is mid-trash pack
The 4th is just before Domina
I don't fuck around with mushroom guys
And it's easier to just chunk the hives and stomp the grubs
You can also slide between the groups on either side of the boss' first encounter room
So you only need the one rock, two hives, and the giant.
The rest of the trash near the first boss is enough to get you to exactly 20%
If you give a shit you could probably move the last tentacle you kill before domina back some before the 2nd boss
That way the final pack you do before her yields the Prideful
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Up to you
visual drift
is it worth to go for haste and ignore the 7 ilv?
proper orchid
i normally go for itemlevel over all, due to stamina and str
muted pendant
go for the 200ilvl back
signal plover
that's an even clearer choice in the favor of the 207 piece
visual drift
really?
visual drift
okay, thank you
signal plover
honestly even if it didn't have haste i'd go with the 207
ebon hound
torn garden
People always sleeping on primary stat
woven kiln
ha. PF 15. DH 'helping' by pulling things off route because he saw it done a certain way on stream
had mdt open for rest of run
tanking blind 😎
halcyon jetty
woven kiln
it was my key tho lol
no idea how, but we timed it. there was another ninjapull from someone else and it meant we were only doen 0.2% before last boss, and the route was 0.7 over. Only had a scuff pride for spider boss
arguibly thunderlord yes
TL and the Wall are both extremely good in m+
wall better in raids
cinder nova
Tbh I've kicked people on my key before.
People just fucking the run, pulling for me, etc.
I don't give a damn.
I have so little tolerance for that kind of stupid bullshit. If someone pulls it better be me or because I asked them to snag a patrol for me while I was otherwise preoccupied.
I think the only time I might not fuss much if it was done unprompted is if the healer deliberately is trying to speed things up.
In which case, if we wipe - so be it.