i wouldn't say monk is paper lol
#protection
limpid pawn
open monolith
it gives useful insight
undone jacinth
do you play monk
open monolith
I learned a bit from it
limpid pawn
yes
undone jacinth
god bless
primal saddle
its not updated for warrior i belive
limpid pawn
I am the main tank, brewmaster of CE guild
undone jacinth
double god bless
primal saddle
so if you want it to tell you that you need better deep wounds than go ahead
limpid pawn
but i have 5 tanks, all but guardian atm
undone jacinth
well you would be having an easier time on a couple of the others put it that way
limpid pawn
i would say guardian seems very tanky from what i've seen
open monolith
i mean, wow analyzer shwed me that I definitely wasn't reacting to shield slam resets as much as I should
undone jacinth
brews 100% 'mitigation' isn't really how they are surviving
open monolith
the information it provides is still useful
undone jacinth
compared to shield block which is insane
nimble drift
What I actually learned from is watching Senses movement
He like never stands still
Always hopping around
limpid pawn
standing still is lazy play
you gotta be like a football player doing warmups
avoiding swirlies lmao
open monolith
unnecessary movement is cancer.
nimble drift
It was actually pretty interesting to see. I tried doing that more, just perma movement and kiting
limpid pawn
like what they do w/ the tires
limpid pawn
when I tank, i just hit Q and E alternating every 0.2 seconds
i generate heat from the vibrations
undone jacinth
oh no a q e strafer
smoky wave
unnecessary movement is cancer.
Nah, nothing more fun to hear the dps squeal when you move stuff out of their aoe
open monolith
lol.
I stand still as often as I can.
I only move when strictly necessary
which.. with current balance.. is a lot
undone jacinth
worst thing about standing still in SL is that a lot of mobs have these dumb hitboxes where they try and surround you if you're not moving
open monolith
bruh
it's not just SL
something CHANGED in SL
the mobs in timewalking were doing it, too
undone jacinth
for sure yeah
open monolith
I can't fucking stand the way mobs pace around you
nimble drift
Like I watched sense kite while he had last stand and shield wall up. It was just constant movement even with defensive up to reduce the damage even more
undone jacinth
it's so annoying
open monolith
it fucking triggers me but I feel like NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT
so I thought maybe I was drunk
undone jacinth
you can just notice it way more with bigger mobs
smoky wave
I stand still as often as I can.
I joke though, actually nice to hear its not just me that does that.
open monolith
every fucking venthyr
constantly moving back and forth
Tanks who move unnecessarily are cancer btw.
I want you all to know that.
Look inside, see if it is you.
and stop it.
that one boss in Halls of Lightning... the electric tornado dude, I was experimenting and literally stood stil without even changing the direction I was facing
in 15 seconds he danced to be BEHIND ME
I literally couldn't hit him anymore.
but I never saw any other tank talk about this, I literally thought I was delusional
undone jacinth
its for sure a thing
I notice it because I use backpedal to basically herd packs
and this expac I have to do it almost all of the time
so I had to change how I do it
because I can't just backpedal the entire time
open monolith
side note, wowanalyzer definitely sucks in some regards
it says my heroic hungering kill had 0% effective spell reflect used
bitch I cleared my own orb every single time
undone jacinth
I mean it's so hard to even put situational stuff in there
silver trout
mobs move A LOT more it feels like
undone jacinth
100%
I figured it was just my thick panda thighs
they all want a look from behind
sweet summit
Celestial
Lightless force for aoe dps
shrewd geode
do shields get enchant?
clear ruin
I thought we used sinful :X
hallow smelt
Anyone mess around as prot in rated BGs with leaper legendary for flag carry?
sweet summit
do shields get enchant?
No :(
undone jacinth
I thought we used sinful :X
sinful is st dps, lightless aoe dps, celestial does dps to everything and survive too
sweet summit
I thought we used sinful :X
You can sim with raidbots, i think i sim higher with celestial
On st
undone jacinth
that would be odd
sweet summit
🤷
undone jacinth
its close anyway and celestial is like 5k gold cheaper sooo
open monolith
I use celestial because my friend is an enchanter and sent it to me
so I was like, k
nimble drift
I prefer to move my orb very far and reflect the initial aoe dmg, unless the boss is aggro on me then I'll stay in place and clear the orb
open monolith
and sacrifice my sweet sweet uptime?!
spit
how can I spam revenge if I am far far away??
nimble drift
Lol I mean I pug so I'm doing what's best for the raid
nimble drift
That's how you wipe
nimble drift
open monolith
that is so dumb I am having trouble coming up with a response other than just telling you it's dumb
nimble drift
U didnt laugh?
nimble drift
nimble drift
are you okay?
sweet summit
Yes.
astral crystal
Yes.
honest plinth
dark fog
if i have 1 second cd left on shield slam or thunder clap, and I can use revenge, should I wait for the cooldowns or use revenge?
dark fog
but then im not using those two skills off cooldown, its delaying them
open monolith
are you talking about not clipping GCDs?
dark fog
im saying the gcd is 1.5 seconds, so if I use something with a cooldown left that less than that, then I will be wasting time where it could have been cast
open monolith
if you're not going to cap rage or anything, it's not going to cost you anything by waiting that extra second so as not to clip the CD of SS with the GCD
but, it could also mean that you miss out on an extra revenge.
I would say: don't overthink it. Press revenge.
I don't think anything we do is so strictly optimized so as to worry about a GCD clipping into a CD
that's.... way overthinking things, and likely detrimental
sweet summit
Gcd is 1.5 reduced by haste to a minimum at 0.75 at 100% haste
open monolith
right, don't take that 1.5 at face value.
change the numbers however you like and the question is still a valid one
I've had similar questions about the enhancement rotation
Storm Strike off CD in 0.7 seconds, have another button I could press, but that would "delay" the storm strike by whatever the extra time of the GCD is, what is most optimal?
tall mural
anima field emitter is actually up all the time
sweet summit
Lowkey miss abc
open monolith
anima field emitter is amazing
sweet summit
Anime owns
open monolith
been preaching that since I got it in a normal dungeon day 1 lol
dark fog
coming from ffxiv, if you delay a gcd there you get called bad, thats why im worried about it
open monolith
FFXIV is very different allison, but I understand the mentality
I played a lot of FFXIV as well
there is some truth to "always be casting"
but not really with prot (or arms)
tall mural
I got a m11 one last night and have been using it. it's basically always up for each pack. I did disrespect the gargons in HOA 13 and got smacked a bit lol.
open monolith
i am jealous.
Anime field and Hakkar are all I want in life
still rocking a 171 hakkar
but.. NGL, ilvl 200 splintered heart of alar has been clutch
more times than I can count now
strong forum
if you think
sweet summit
It does seem good
open monolith
it pumps more than 0
some is more than none
I am curious about denathrius trinket
strong forum
big 10k damage in aoe once every 2 minutes
open monolith
half the shield twice as often
open monolith
I mean, i'd use it if I got it
but if I ever get a hakkar trinket > 171, I'll never take it off
strong forum
denathrius is set amount of like what 15k on HC
my 200ilvl hakkar is like 40k in aoe, 19k in ST
but its the 2min vs 1min comfort for me
open monolith
sure, I'm not poo-pooing denathrius trinket
it'll never drop, so it's irrelevant
nothing ever drops
loot doesn't exist
sweet summit
Its such a great fight tho
open monolith
you can get it from weekly cache 😮
strong forum
not if you dont kill him
open monolith
oh really?
strong forum
no
strong forum
na, otherwise Mythic cache would be broken
open monolith
oh duh
strong forum
you kill 3 bosses and run into the chance of getting 233 weapon
they specifically made sure that doesnt happen
open monolith
how does the ilvl of the mythic cache work for raid
like... if I kill 4 heroic bosses and 1 mythic boss
strong forum
you can only get loot from bosses you killed on the raid vault
you dont get mythic loot from vault until you killed minimum 3 mythic bosses
strong forum
no 🧀
open monolith
just gotta do four +10s this week
strong forum
14s
open monolith
then I'll have two 220s and a 213 to pick from
yeah I'm being realistic with myself nome.
I'm not doing a 14 any time soon.
I pug
strong forum
do it 🔫
open monolith
i have yet to have a single pug capable of a 14
and I'm just not in the mood to stress about it
unless I magically get invited to a 14 mists (LOL) or get a 14 mists myself (LOLOLOLOL)
open monolith
silvester?
strong forum
open monolith
I have never heard it called that, likely because that is specific to a culture or country I am not familiar with 🙂
strong forum
apparently
open monolith
Anyway, the best thing to do is to drink yourself into depression knowing that 2021 likely won't be any better
strong forum
hah...
open monolith
and we are all slowly marching toward the inevitable heat death of the universe
making everything we do pointless.
🙂
strong forum
january will be the insanely busy for my work
im already dreading it
almost 2x the workload
open monolith
gross
turbid cargo
Yep i'm not looking forward to the first few weeks after year-end code freeze
open monolith
tonight is one of the worst nights of the year for us
but I'll be asleep because I don't work nights anymore
\o/
sick sentinel
if u try to raid tonight everyone will be drunk and high
so that will make things hard lol
chilly brook
signal plover
mists actually wasn't too bad just now
just need beeg dam
first and last bois r HP chonks
strong forum
mists is always easy
signal plover
kyrian dorf makes necro a non-affix it's ❤️
strong forum
stop
sick sentinel
do i have to take the boss to the correct marked add for mini game?
strong forum
im already salivating
sick sentinel
2nd boss mist
strong forum
na you just gotta kill the correct clone
signal plover
spear for kitey help too
strong forum
but ideally you wanna move the boss over aswell for more uptime
signal plover
taking boss to correct add is best way to make sure mongo dps kill the correct one tho
she immune shields tho so nbd
just dont fuckin miss a patty cake int
strong forum
logic
nimble drift
Too bad tyrannical sux
signal plover
just gotta do mechanix
modern brook
Doing mechanics smh
tall mural
mistcaller is like easiest boss in the expansion but my kryptonite cause i always tunnel on the guessing game trying to move her beside the right one and miss patty cake like a fucking noob honestly.
I'll like full dumbass charge the clone and then see patty cake being cast
smoky wave
Can you reflect patty cake? Guessing not
mighty cairn
unfortunately not
valid scaffold
hi guys hope you get a nice new year.
mighty cairn
although I think we've all tried it and gotten one shot before
valid scaffold
what is the best option in the row 25 talent? im using BV, its good "best serve cold"? i understand dragon roar is not that good tho
i have doubt too with ravager, is better unstoppable force?
tall mural
I run BV, ravager, bolster for M+ w/Thunderlord. Wall+ITF+AM for raid w/wall
strong forum
what is the best option in the row 25 talent? im using BV, its good "best serve ...
BV 100% of the time
Ravager in m+
ITF in raid
unstoppable force is dead talent
tepid barn
unstoppable force is only when you have avatar active correct?
strong forum
yes
tepid barn
cool ty
chilly brook
UF is bad
clear ruin
I almost always use ravager for M+ and SunKing fights
chilly brook
Very bad
clear ruin
I usually run bolstering for raid and AM for m+
chilly brook
Swap that
clear ruin
oh?
chilly brook
AM for raid bolster for m+
clear ruin
oh snap - I'll try it
chilly brook
Bolster is far more useful the higher you go in keys
chilly brook
Not that AM is too bad
It's great in lower keys for damage
But ye bolster is just better for m+ and sludge bolster is also good
But generally AM is the play for raid
clear ruin
hell yeah. The spear is nice but I wish I could provide a little more dmg
chilly brook
Spear pumps too tho
clear ruin
And Nfae still has a knockback
tall mural
spear pumps
clear ruin
potion is nice for bleeds in HoA and huntsman though
chilly brook
The repeated knockdown on AA is super nice on caster packs
clear ruin
AA?
chilly brook
Ancient Aftershock
chilly brook
Positioning can get wonky because of mobs pathing randomly even though they're in melee range but its yet to be an issue
neat dirge
@strong forum I enjoy using bolster on almost every fight, would u say that's bad?
I just don't enjoy AM, dosnt feel impactful but having a long ass shieldblock to help regenerate shieldblock charges really helps patching up some holes
visual drift
I can't decide what i should use between those
since i began to play pvp as tank it seems they are good
clear ruin
higher ilvl and a socket
dense pivot
heat death is so far away might as well forget about it, from our typical lifetime universe is pretty much static
just like dude playing wow would be almost static on the typical quantum timescale, for an electron for example
visual drift
Great thank you
onyx matrix
Mmm prot in rbgs is so darn sexy
sick sentinel
catch me dead running bolster in my sludgefist kills
i have full shield block charges when he gets unstunned and can chain 3 together with haste
hes dead by that point
undone jacinth
yeah should always be able to get the 3 with haste
undone jacinth
bolster is a decent offensive cd tbh
not amazing but ok
btw is it normal for hungering to put the no heal debuff on the tank? I'm normally dpsing it...
nimble drift
No
frail wyvern
Only if most of the raid are dead, I had it put on me at the end of a wipe with maybe 5 left alive
nimble drift
Only happens if most of the dps die
nimble drift
2 2 6?
undone jacinth
ye
nimble drift
Well I could maybe see it happening on rare occasion 226
nimble drift
The less people that can get it the higher chance you get it. I run 239 in my raid and have never gotten it
Until at least 6 dps are dead
amber herald
strong forum
if you are gonna tank 100% of the time
its better to use both SB and LS on pull
to get the CD rolling on both
undone jacinth
I kinda like having the rage gen later
strong forum
understandable, but for max block uptime its better to get CDs rolling for higher uptime
i misuse LS still
am still using it like in BFA
paper coral
I can't decide what i should use between those
is prot PVP pretty good? anya dvice?
visual drift
is prot PVP pretty good? anya dvice?
it feels more like a support role. slow stun etc
dmg is only mediocre
lavish oracle
If you're using the Wall, wouldn't you want to work a Shield Wall cast in upfront too
sweet summit
Ideally you dont overlap, but depending on damage profile you might have to ue both
lavish oracle
Like SB -> SW -> LS -> remaining SB charges
Well not overlapping
Just if you want to maximize mitigation uptime
Otherwise you've got like a minute of the encounter where you could be reducing Shield Wall CD with shield slams but you're just not
tall mural
hey all, do cheat death effects remove necrotic or do they still remain?
sick sentinel
i have everything i would need if i wanted to try the wall AM now
got the conduit recently
paladin bop or the mbop talent both instantly remove stacks
or, it did in BFA
runic crown
Hi fellow Tanks im returning to tanking after a long brake (last tanked on legion) how are prots in this expantion espacilay high m+ 15 or hero raiding?
Are they viable or should I roll something else
mighty valley
A prot warrior tanked for the world first mythic denathrius
They're not very meta so some people will look down their nose at you but you can do anything
tall mural
Yeah, had some clutch bops last night. Just wondering specifically for the cheat deaths because I wanna know if heart of sun king does that.
sick sentinel
as long as a PW has shield block, shield wall, last stand and avatar they are unkillable
mostly SB IP and avatar
demo
chilly brook
Hi fellow Tanks im returning to tanking after a long brake (last tanked on legio...
Seems very good to me
runic crown
So no problems with survival? I remember damage was always good?
sick sentinel
no
warriors have a ton of tools to help keep themselves alive and we go kyrian anyway
sick sentinel
1 second
sick sentinel
So no problems with survival? I remember damage was always good?
this video is from a high io HEALER perspective
PW section at 3:30 in video
lavish oracle
I'm more than confident that with enough gear and skill, warrior is more than capable of pushing 20+ this season
chilly brook
It's probably capable of much higher keys than logged rn for prot tbh
lavish oracle
Yeah, just there's no point in trying to predict what level the highest keys will cap out at
I don't know enough about the game to accurately predict it
but for 20s we seem 👌 , especially once we have full mythic gear
Also, rdruid with convoke feels so good to play 😄
undone jacinth
a warrior with 206 ilvl missed a +19 PF by 1 second
so I think 20s seem like a pretty safe option
lavish oracle
ye
Lightee and limit raiders were 2 chesting 15s in carries and I don't think they were playing particularly clean
strong forum
hey all, do cheat death effects remove necrotic or do they still remain?
they remain
undone jacinth
purgatory on necrotic week 😆
strong forum
20s are going to be very doable once everybody has 220+
once everybody is kitted the fuck out and max renown and everything, 25s will probably be done
lavish oracle
I think the big hurdle is gonna be DPS survivability for AoE damage spikes
runic crown
And how goes kiting? I see that this expantion is not mele friendly
paper coral
Interesting video above.
lavish oracle
shit like castigate and beryllia's big group wide damage thing I forget the name of
paper coral
It'll be interesting to see how that changes as we all scale
lavish oracle
Rite of Supremacy
visual drift
how good are the ulduar trinkets so far? They give stamina but i'm not sure if the proc or use effect is pretty good
runic crown
Any good prot war guides?
solar crown
Wtf man, at 00:00 ? 🥳
grave vigil
glad scaffold
I have a question since Ive seen some contradictory info
In general should I try not to layer my defensives
Ie shield wall on top of shield block etc
The guides only seem to cover superficial info like the basic rotation and what the defensives actually do
strange lintel
i dont have a tanking legendary just the signet legendary. .. should i go ravager to double dip from it with avatar and ravager?
grand drum
ravager does not work with signet as prot
strange lintel
does me picking ravager overrides bladestorm procing off signet ?
sweet summit
No u still proc bladestorm even when ravager is talended
But you can still block/parry/dodge/use defensives
While bladestorming
strange lintel
why did they made that not work anyways. is there a reason?
too much aoe on a tank or something?
in arms if i swich to ravager i can have 2 ravagers running around
sweet summit
Because our ragaver doesnt directly replace bladestorm like for arms. At least thats my guess
plain hill
is it worth to craft 190 prot leg if you already have 235 ring?
strange lintel
ravager does replace bladestorm in arms
neat dirge
What legs?
pastel tapir
I still cannot decide my covenant. I will tank for dungeons, but in raids and arena i have to switch to dps
sweet summit
Ravager does replace bladestorm for arms
clear ruin
Venthyr would be good then snickarz
sweet summit
Kyrian easy
clear ruin
oh arenas
sweet summit
Bis for m+ tank and arms arena
strange lintel
kyrian is great for rated arenas
clear ruin
kyrian
clear ruin
venthyr is great raid dps though
strange lintel
i thought ventyr was good for raids
neat dirge
Playing with Condemned is harder then you think
strange lintel
er better i eman
neat dirge
Accually knowing how to use condemned isn't that easy
clear ruin
venthyr for pve dps
tanking and pvp arms kyrian
strange lintel
how is using condemn hard
strange lintel
" actually knowing how to use condemn. " it literally overrides your rotation while you can use it lol
neat dirge
Nah
strange lintel
beses the odd ms to keep the bleed
neat dirge
Changes your playstyle alot
strange lintel
arms dps still comes off its first 20 and last 35%
neat dirge
Well it's more then that
clear ruin
venthyr is fun but it gets a little boring when you are basically hitting like 4 buttons throughout a mythic key
strange lintel
it really isnt. maintaining rotation and not overflowing rage is like all you do past the condemn/execute phases
neat dirge
Look at how revves guild echo built their mythical sire fight so that revves could maximise damage
sweet summit
Uhhh
neat dirge
Their smart usage and placement of boss to get the most usage of condemned
strange lintel
what..
sweet summit
No?
neat dirge
Maximum talked about it on stream
neat dirge
Revves was 1st on dps
In echo
Untill littrarly last frame
Where he lost to the affli lock
Sire is a great fight for arms warrior
runic crown
Warrior isnt great atm
What do you mean not great
neat dirge
Imagine thinking warrior isn't good on sire when revves did highest dps
Lol
Even Maximum talked about that warriors best fight is sire
sweet summit
Arms/fury is kinda dogshit/middle dps
neat dirge
Depends on fight
strange lintel
imagine thinking warriors are in an okay place in dps cuz one streamer did more dps than his guild
sweet summit
And even on sire theyre mediocre xd
clear ruin
Sire fight there is a lot of opportunities for sweeping strike+condemn
strange lintel
" arms/fury dps is okay " https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/794351961331204116/unknown_2.png
sweet summit
Im too drunk to argue but yeah sure 
clear ruin
lol
strange lintel
91 percentile warrior doing the same dps as a 31 percentile shadowpriest is not " ok "
please go outside and think about what you just said
clear ruin
lol
jovial reef
"iT DoEn'T MaTtEr uNleSs yOu'Re gOiNg fOr tOp 100"
lavish oracle
To be fair, that fight is like literally the perfect fight for arms warrior
strong forum
Revves was 1st on dps
They heavily played around revvez and made sure he had 100% uptime on cleave condemn spam
strange lintel
you understand that youre comparing a dps meter with literally top percentile
neat dirge
That's what I've been saying
strong forum
Limit just bursted the mobs down instead
clear ruin
most guilds arn't going to do that lol
strong forum
Yes but that doesn't mean warri is great
neat dirge
Their entire fight was built around revves
clear ruin
if you are going into raid as arms, it is very unlikely your guild is going to organize everything around you
strange lintel
no THEY built the entire fight around him to make it look good
are you this dense
neat dirge
Maximizing warriors on that fight makes them great
lavish oracle
I mean, they weren't doing it to make arms look good
neat dirge
Warrior is great on that fight
sweet summit
Dont be rude :(
lavish oracle
they were doing it to get more boss damage
strange lintel
is this how people watch streams and go " wow nerf warriors " lol
solid granite
Most guilds raid twice a week & bring whatever is online / in the pool
clear ruin
so how about that protection class?
neat dirge
@strong forum I never said they are great, I said they are good on specific fights
sweet summit
Prot is alright yeah
lavish oracle
Nah
sturdy trench
yeah BDK is worst
strange lintel
im legit scared to tank anything past +10 but then i saw some guy prot tank a 12 and i was like. can i be like you lol
signal plover
Wot
undone jacinth
just takes practice thats all
tepid barn
hey guys which do you think is better? same ilvl
signal plover
Just play the class well
sweet summit
Haste mate
sweet summit
Pogpogpog
chilly brook
But I'm bad at commentary
sturdy trench
i mean its fine once u paly the other tanks
chilly brook
lavish oracle
Yeah, the place you should be feeling the gap between classes is not in 11s and 12s right now
sturdy trench
until*
tepid barn
@sweet summit replying to me?
sweet summit
Yes
lavish oracle
tank balance isn't going to matter unless you're at the very highest end of content
tepid barn
cool ty, go with the epaulletes then
signal plover
It's ok to miss bfa playstyle, but current playstyle is also pretty fun to me
strange lintel
i feel like necrotic really fucks with my idea way to tank.
does blocking neutralizes the necrotic stack
signal plover
#shrug
signal plover
K
neat dirge
@strange lintel no only parry neutralizes a stack of necrotic
undone sun
dodge
strange lintel
ravage parry got removed right
signal plover
If not dorf/Kyrian just kite since you gotta kite in the 14+ range anywya
neat dirge
Having a comp to help u kite is nice
strange lintel
or dps that looks at threat meters heh
clear ruin
lol
runic crown
And what are the wors dungeons for prot war?
clear ruin
omg hahaha
steel mauve
Ravager no longer increases parry correct
signal plover
Correct
steel mauve
I worded that poorly but i was answeri g his question lol
strange lintel
guess just save shockwave and leap out
signal plover
Ah
neat harbor
are there any prot CHADS in here?
undone sun
none
neat harbor
Im kind of still upset about how everyone said prot was dog-ass, then limit kills WF with a prot warrior for every fucking boss
like how did so many people miss the fucking memo
neat harbor
and ironically brewmaster turned out to be literally the WORST raid spot, when everyone said it would be BiS
neat harbor
They were just utterly wrong
clear ruin
tanking raids as warrior has been amazing for me
neat harbor
and parroting misleading info, thats my bigger peave.
like if you test something andt hink its true, thats one thing
but when you start repeating false shit just because its the opinion of the hour we wind up in these situations
runic crown
As for the last row what are the best talents
sweet summit
AM for dps Bolster defensively
ocean yoke
look man the youtuber who never hit shield block told me prot is garbage, it must be that way
neat harbor
so I was listening to Max from limit talk about theres a 'few' other reasons beyond rally that you bring prot warriors, whats the deal here, Im imagining one of those is the damage output in the execute phase is high now since we have exe back baseline?
ocean yoke
could see spell reflect still working on darkvein at the time as one
neat harbor
like he didnt go into specifics j ust made that blanket statement
strong leggo/conduit maybe? 🤔
Ill admit Ive yet to get really deep into prot thus far in the expac but I feel like its quite fun playstyle wise
doesnt feel much different from bfa at all
having execute feels very nice somehow
clear ruin
i mean.,.... even echo switch to prot warrior for sludgefist
yeah on lady darkvein you can spell reflect shared suffering and warped desires
technically you can do it on let loose too
spare cobalt
@neat harbor I get discriminated against for being a warrior 😦
ocean yoke
not being able to deflect the dot sucks now, but we can still deflect in on the trash before her lmao
clear ruin
find a guild?
spare cobalt
Nah I just play solo I’m too toxic
clear ruin
oh we cant deflect warped desires? O-o
spare cobalt
Not flaming toxic
clear ruin
wait they changed that?!
ocean yoke
yeah
ocean yoke
i cry every time i fight her now
ocean yoke
it slap
clear ruin
I was posting last night about it though cause someone was asking. I was tankier than my pally cotank
which was surprising to me
I needed less healing from healers and did more self healing via ignore main - I didn't see that coming
ocean yoke
it wasnt too bad until my cotank wasnt paying enough attention and i had 4 stacks of the debuff
clear ruin
XD
ocean yoke
woo that was a wild 20 seconds
clear ruin
A wide eyed 20 seconds im sure lol
civic rover
I was posting last night about it though cause someone was asking. I was tankier...
thats how warrior works
neat harbor
@clear ruin I swear warrs are tanky AF. Yet another point where we were mislead
also inspiring presence conduit just seems incredibly good
neat harbor
Rally duration and healing increases by 30% with 213 inspiring presence... thats fucking incredible dude
thats literally a raid saver
it was before just even beefier now
pally and brew do feel squishy compared to warrior, straight up
Im a disc main so I have healed plenty
DKs are the most nerve racking
You actually have to alter your raidframes on high keys to heal DK tanks.
you need to be able to see their Runic power
if its low, you need to bomb the fuck out of them
cause they cant heal with death strike and their health spikes like a yoyo at all times
or you can also just focus frame them to see the RP
clear ruin
sounds stressful 😄
neat harbor
it is, quite obnoxious.
neat harbor
almost as obnoxious as people trash talking prot in the meta without knowing anything about the game
dude brew is squishy AF Im telling u.
vs magic
physical seems less worrying
they just get wrecked by magic dmg
sweet summit
Brew is good until they run out of purifies
clear ruin
Thats how I feel about survival hunter. Seems to be doing pretty decent imo for players that understand it
sweet summit
👀
clear ruin
I love the underdog classes
neat harbor
Honestly in this case the underdog (prot) feels like its actually Rocky Balboa
and noone showed respect
til that boi got world FIRST
fuckin fotm rerollers
undone jacinth
someone joked to our main tank dk about replacing with prot and he said 'at least replace me with something good'
facepalm
torn garden
Why is prot good tho
neat harbor
its just easy to heal honestly'
but as for the specifics, I would like to know more from one of those world first numbers guys.
myself
I suspect the rally conduit is a big part of it for raiding at least
torn garden
So said another way, “prot warrior takes steady consistent physical damage compared to other tank specs”?
strong forum
only if you maange your block uptime properly
neat harbor
Its a universal absorb which mitigates magic as well
strong forum
if you dont have block you get knocked out real quick
pastel tapir
man i can tell you a story about a bdk which i healed as restro druide in bfa. His life went from 100 to 10 in moments. Always bump him and as i thought he could sustain himself. he dropt dead
neat harbor
the concept of pooling rage and 'bombing' ignore pains is also a thing for heavy magic DMG phase.
modern brook
what is this 2016?
clear ruin
sounds like he wasn't using marrowrend snickarz lol
torn garden
I haven’t played prot in a while. Do the baseline shield block charges (2) cover you for full uptime without bolster?
Assuming you manage it right
strong forum
no
torn garden
So you will take spikey damage ?
strong forum
yes
neat harbor
I mean you will fill the gaps with IP and it generally feels pretty good.
strong forum
you need to manage it properly and play well
otherwise youre gonna get smacked hard
torn garden
Yeah, idk the downtime seems pretty rough
sturdy trench
with into the fray u can have 3 shield blocks
modern brook
sounds like you're not managing it well tbh
modern brook
also @strong forum i think its ur new years happy new years
modern brook
I added 5 :^)
torn garden
What’s up Matt Richards
modern brook
Haha matt dicks
modern brook
candid igloo
So, as ive been learning Prot, ive been having a really hard time holding aggro in mythic+. Specifically in aoe trash packs. What is the ideal way to establish and hold aoe threat? Or is just revenge and switching targets more often?
onyx matrix
So revenge is clearly the threat prior one during packs now?
pastel tapir
sounds like he wasn't using marrowrend snickarz lol
could be. I cant remember, but i finished the key since it was a weekly key. Althought we finish the key, i drop my druide like this DK drop his life
paper coral
could be. I cant remember, but i finished the key since it was a weekly key. Alt...
Or he was using DS too much.
clear ruin
Ravager helps with threat too
paper coral
Some people spam it instead of being reactive about it.
candid igloo
Im coming from Brewmaster where all of our threat generation is in our aoe abilities. So we didnt have this issue at all. But it almost seems like the aoe cap on revenge hit Prot pretty hard.
paper coral
GoldnPants, warrior is a class you have to be aggressive with, and positioning is important since revenge is a cone, as is Shockwave
You don'
t have aSCK or Kegsmash where it's aoe in a circle
it's more like breath of fire.
candid igloo
That makes sense. I guess ill just have to pay more attention to my direction when im establishing threat. Increase awareness in general really.
paper coral
Also, your damage is based on your rage, which is a byproduct of the damage you take and your abilities. You have to be a little more aggressive with warrior than you might as BRM. Ravager is also a huge thing because it's a lot of rage. I recommend changing your ravager button to a mouseover
Well, yeah. spear is nutty
wicked lantern
Do Prides do enough melee damage to use shield block on them? I was testing out only using ignore pain on them this morning cause of the pulsing damage and it seems fine? It was only an +11.
candid igloo
Yeah but i cant do that in every pack. Is it better to use a CD or 2 per pack or should i wait for packs that i know are troublesome and pop all of them?
jolly thistle
keep rage from the previous pack if possible. thunderclap is useless, you need revenge for aggro
undone jacinth
u can ravager every pack
onyx matrix
So TC is useless now? 😂😂😂
paper coral
Yeah. Goldnpants, think of warrior more as an angry spiked pinball.
sweet summit
No its free rage
paper coral
You build momentum as a warrior. BRM doesn't really have that same kind of feel because it's energy based
candid igloo
Lul. Angry pinball. Got it 😂😂
paper coral
incoming damage = rage gen
Rage gen = dps
Rage gen = defensive abilities
candid igloo
So then pulls can be larger because the damage you take gives you the ability to mitigate?
paper coral
I find it to be that way, yeah. I'll let the other warriors here have their own input.
but if you pull enough that you have constant rage gen, you have enough rage gen to use Ignore pain regularly, which means you're mitigating more
candid igloo
That would make sense though. Because ive had issues with rage gen as well but im pulling as small as i possibly can.
paper coral
Thats a conversation between you and your healer
I always watch healer mana and pull based on what they can handle are are comfy with
paper coral
each melee attack has it's own cap, or total rage? If you have 10 mobs on you, only 3 of them counts?
sweet summit
Its like 3 per sec
paper coral
Hrm. is any other part of what I said above wrong?
wicked lantern
Do Prides do enough melee damage to use shield block on them? I was testing out only using ignore pain on them this morning cause of the pulsing damage and it seems fine? It was only an +11.
sweet summit
Use SB
sweet summit
but if you pull enough that you have constant rage gen, you have enough rage gen...
Rage from damage taken is the same bo matter how big you pull
ionic fern
wicked lantern
Awesome, thanks.
jolly thistle
Yeah. Use sb. and spell reflect at high stacks
Anyone got some tips for sanguine depths trash before last boss?
compact lichen
is that the gauntlet before Kaal?
gotta keep pushing and make sure to use the crystal if so
jolly thistle
Yeah. Necrotic was kinda spicy. Even on a 13
paper coral
I feel like "cry" makes that less of a guide and more of a "bend over and get fucked"
compact lichen
block run cry
vocal bison
There is a nice tip I learned for the pack after 3rd boss before the gauntlet:
split wyvern
What it is to be a tank now to to scream hit me get the monsters attention and run away like the knights in Montey Python and the Holy Grail
vocal bison
Tag just the overseer and the overseer/mistdancer will engage without the gargoyle
chilly brook
EXPORTING
undone sun
vocal bison
For that 3 pack that is straight up cancer, makes it ez mode
compact lichen
....what... that works?
vocal bison
Yup
chilly brook
inb4 I get roasted for my play 😛
jolly thistle
we did that one with prideful. Wasn’t really a problem
The gauntlet afterwards sucked hard
vocal bison
Gauntlet really helps if you have a venthyr to do a mass pull of non-elites and get the lamp buff
paper coral
I can't imagine any class enjoying that gauntlet
jolly thistle
I’m dwarf/kyrian and it was pretty close. I have no idea how I should live that on a higher key
can’t really get the lamp buff, when you perma kite
neat harbor
Lads how does blocking work exac tly vs ret paladins, their attacks are spell dmg yet still considered melee attacks yes?
so subject to mitigation?
agile holly
The Wall: Shoulders or Back?
compact lichen
shoulders gets more stat budget i think
agile holly
ty
forest fern
can anyone confirm how sludgefist's damage is applied to the tanks, does it transfer to the offtank after main tank has mitigated his attack(so the offtank could double dip), or does it act like both are the main tanks and just hits each at the same time?
forest fern
so who's in what role doesn't matter then?
nimble drift
it doesn't
forest fern
you can still block in both positions etc, same damage to both
nimble drift
mhm
forest fern
sweet, thanks for the confirm
empty nexus
is venthyr any good for tanking?
strange lintel
dont think so
glass mural
Happy new year
sweet summit
empty nexus
cuz wanted to try venthyr for arms but i tank more than dps so idk T_T
acoustic stratus
nightfae is a nice middleground
empty nexus
kyrian holds me atm cuz spear is so good for tank but if it was bad i would be switchin right away or if i wasnt tanking lol
acoustic stratus
im tempted to go nightfae
vocal bison
If I ever started trending to more dps I’d switch to venthyr in a heartbeat, seems so awesome, but I’m just addicted to the control of spear for tanking and it being a 1 min CD#
empty nexus
and my arms warrior lacking ST so thats why i was thinking venthyr
tired cove
@vocal bison only if you have a ret pally or boomkin
pastel tapir
for me venthyr looks boring. just a improved version of a already exist ability
tired cove
because thats what it is
vocal bison
<@!620764626984108083> only if you have a ret pally or boomkin
Do you mean arenas? An arms warrior with Kyrian/spear is super viable in 2s with a healer as well if you look at leaderboards.
tired cove
arms ret pally will delete anything
arms + boomie will spear healer silence healer and then kill them
vocal bison
I get it’s a 4 sec cast, but convoke just needs to go away in pvp, there, I said it...lol
chilly brook
Alright here it is, for those of you having issues with keys I hope this can help you out
And for the bois who just wanna meme on me
😛
clear ruin
@empty nexus I was venthyr first because I was originally a dps main before I filled the tank spot. Venthyr is definitely lots of fun for arms. It worked as a tank top as keys got higher. Low keys things die way too fast, but at higher keys you can plan for the condemn and get theist hit and get a 20% heal from victory rush. It’s an added mini game that is fun.
When I timed my first +10 key I was venthyr.
I switched to kyrian for the spear and extra health potion though because it’s a bit more congruent with tanking
But you could tank just fine as venthyr if you wanted
If you search wow logs, sub creation, raider io.... you will find lots of venthyr tanks that are killing it
@chilly brook thx for this video dude!
Just a few mins in and I’m really enjoying your tips
tired cove
tanking as venthyr is easy just don't be a mongloid with condenm
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> thx for this video dude!
👍
I've got a 13 HoA that I would like to do the same with
empty nexus
hmm interesting ima try it i guess for a week or 2
clear ruin
It’s not as fun for prot, but if you dps a lot too I think venthyr is good
I rarely used it at the start of fights in m+ just to get the kill shot for the victory rush
But I can do that with execute
tribal whale
hi, there is a cap for mastery for war prot?
sweet summit
No reachable caps on any stat
undone jacinth
must be able to reach some of the DRs though?
chilly brook
hi, there is a cap for mastery for war prot?
You shouldn't be actively stacking mastery anyways
chilly brook
must be able to reach some of the DRs though?
You can reach the DRs but you still don't stop pursuing haste
📈
undone jacinth
would be interested to see how that numbers out
undone jacinth
I assume that's because haste is pretty low % per point
so its less relevant for haste
but mastery looks like it would get blasted
chilly brook
Possibly
I just know that haste never truly becomes less valuable than other stats defensively
tribal whale
You shouldn't be actively stacking mastery anyways
?
wheat sleet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nPShmyequ4
oh neat, will check it out
chilly brook
?
What I mean by that is that you should be actively stacking haste at same ilvl not mastery. ilvl>>Haste>Vers>Crit>Mastery
undone jacinth
for defensive
olive notch
i know this chat may be bias and this question is subjective but if you can answer, how boring is tank war to play?
contemplating just becoming a tank for pve for faster queues and acceptance in general xd
would appreciate any advice / feedback for someone who mains dps & pvp
undone jacinth
imo warr is the most fun to play tank apart from paladin
but some people find doing the msot damage fun, which means you will want dh or pala
olive notch
so they are 2 / 5?
undone jacinth
my fun is different to yours, but I would put them at 2 yeah
they have lots of buttons u can press, lots of situational stuff and it all feels smooth to me, plus good mobility
olive notch
i just logged my monk today from mop and tanked a dungeon and literally had 3 buttons to spam
was worried warrs are similar
undone jacinth
all tanks have a relatively simple rotation and defensive set up, but its the utility and mobility that separates them
grave anvil
We can all agree that DH is just somewhere else at the moment
undone jacinth
like monk you have ring of peace, leg sweep, paralysis, but warrior you have a couple of stuns, reflect, shouts etc etc
grave anvil
But Prot Warr just feels nicer than anyone expected tbh
olive notch
yeah but monk afaik is just keg smash, breath, and kick
generally
obviously some other stuff
vocal bison
I’m fairly certain in terms of engagement, prot warrior has the highest cpm out of all the tanks
undone jacinth
pretty much
but on warr u are mostly clap, revenge, shield slam, plus block and ignore pain as defensive
but u have CDs u can use
olive notch
i just dont wanna feel bored to death tanking
olive notch
okay
so basically all tanks are quite basic
i just have 0 io score
so was hoping i could make up for it by being a tank
undone jacinth
the skill in tanking is generally knowing when to use ur stuff not really the complexity of using it
olive notch
does that even work lol
grave anvil
Yeah and they balanced them very well too, u can legit play every tank in a competetive setting
undone jacinth
tanks are always needed
all my characters have off spec tank because its so much easier to gear them when everyone needs a tank in groups
olive notch
yeah that's what i'm thiking
i pref dps, but I play sub rogue in pvp
and for pve with 0 io score
was hoping if I play tank war in pve I at least get into groups
just dont want to be bored out of my mind
olive notch
well i enjoy damage
but i haven't legitimately tanked for so long
so was wondering if it's engaging
undone jacinth
I find it way more engaging because you are the central point of ur team
olive notch
thing is with dps i am engaged with the dps meter
undone jacinth
and control all the pulls etc
olive notch
with tanks not so much
yeah i see what you mean
but how do you value your role other than that
like with dps you can literally see your rank
but with tank how do you know you're good
undone jacinth
io score is for everyone, so generally you use ur io score and how much of the raid uve cleared
because tanking is more about experience than it is raw skill
olive notch
i've done 0 pve so far
but say if i had a good io score on my rogue
would i get accepted on my war for groups?
undone jacinth
so they can see your mains score if you link your characters together, but ppl still might be nervous if u have 0
olive notch
okay
undone jacinth
I've definitely used my mains score to get in to groups though, I do it all the time
undone jacinth
so you apply to a group in the custom dungeon groups bit
and they can see everyone applying
they hover over ur name and see ur score and ur mains score if uve linked them
and I often whisper the leader and tell them my mains score
and thats usually enough
plus the fact they don't get many tanks queueing, while they get 200 dps for every key
olive notch
okay so they see both scores
undone jacinth
yeah
olive notch
your main doesnt 'hide' your alt
undone jacinth
nope
undone jacinth
you get score per dungeon
so if you do a +2 necrotic wake, you get some score for that
clear ruin
it makes me giggle thinking that you are worried tanking will be boring :P
maybe raid tanking can get boring but M+ is always entertaining
olive notch
okay
I've done m+ plaguefall +6 today twice
how does that work for rating?
do I get score for the best rating
undone jacinth
if you've done a +12 necrotic wake u will have less score than if u did a +10 necrotic wake AND a +10 de other side
olive notch
okay I see
undone jacinth
if u go to there
you can type in ur characters name
and u can see the score u have
undone jacinth
u said u did a +6 right?
olive notch
yes
undone jacinth
so that will be on there when it updates
undone jacinth
a +60 will get you like 60 score
on that website you can download the raider io addon client
and it will install the addon for u
olive notch
I installed it today
undone jacinth
then when you're in game if you just hover over anybodies name you will see their score, in groups, in search, everywhere
olive notch
yeah i saw that
undone jacinth
if they have one