how is necrotic chill o.o
#protection
fallow mortar
chilly brook
Guy was a little lower io than me with a 14 with way less timed keys than me and he declined several times
fallow mortar
say no more
chilly brook
Necrotic isn't bad outside of certain portions of dungeons
cinder nova
io
ionic fern
You just have to be prepared to leap out.
chilly brook
Tbh it has rarely been an issue for me this week between leap and night fae blink
cinder nova
Having a giant WA tracker for necrotic is good
cinder nova
Do you have one Mwahi? I was thinking of making one that lights up around 15 stacks to alert me and give me a chance to jump out before it gets much higher
chilly brook
Sooner on gargons
ionic fern
I just got a bland tracker that shows how many stacks i'm at.
silk edge
I had several people legit surprise prot was this good in « high » keys
Like 13’s 14’s
ionic fern
Jep.
The community still shuns us.
jagged pier
Do you have one Mwahi? I was thinking of making one that lights up around 15 sta...
i have a tmw which flashes at 20
mighty valley
meta brain poison is real
silk edge
But tyranical is a real key breaker
ionic fern
I also get big eyes from people when i join a group.
"Oh, i don't see many warriors around" blablabla.
silk edge
Haha same
ionic fern
Just plan routes so you can get Prideful on bosses.
ionic fern
👍
silk edge
Im realm 2nd haha 🥵
ionic fern
Well jeah, some bosses are worse than others.
Really helps if you have someone who can dispell diseases like a paladin/priest
chilly brook
comin for that #1
fallow mortar
the number one and two are venthyr 👀
silk edge
Arms most likely
chilly brook
One is using Signet
So likely DPS main for raid
Top guy is running a 190 TL
So again likely DPS main for raid
woven kiln
anyone got a new plaguefall route?
ionic fern
Ours is full of Kyrian/NF.
silk edge
I use the one from dorki
chilly brook
Never really cared about pushing io until this season for some reason
silk edge
Pretty neat
chilly brook
But then again I think the dungeons are really fun so I guess it's no surprise
woven kiln
where does dorki post his routes?
chilly brook
hit the bookmark and link the URL 😛
silk edge
I am on phone at work haha sorry boys
woven kiln
no probs, thanks
chilly brook
MDT is back to normal yea?
woven kiln
yeah it's fine now
chilly brook
Good
I'm too lazy to manually install a fork
Also just a friendly tip, be careful in HoA this week
the drop down pull on the left after the stone guardian thing is really messy if you don't have Kyrian pot and are not a dwarf
BoP is your friend and so is a BoP cancel macro
Treants and Ele Shaman rock boi are great too
mighty valley
not been doing the drop down route this week tbh
cinder nova
i have a tmw which flashes at 20
TMW?
woven kiln
yeah the bleed and necro look like the wombo combo
chilly brook
I'd probably have made a different route
But no MDT
But we chested a 13 HoA twice in a row so it didn't really matter
cinder nova
si
chilly brook
It's budget WA
woven kiln
I miss TMW
woven kiln
- classtimers 😄
chilly brook
Be honest with me how bad is my UI
chilly brook
The one in the WA is just a part of the pack, CBA to remove it
I just really like Khakan's
I really need to get a WA for AA
I'm surprised no one has said anything about my details name
outer solstice
btw, is there any way to have too much haste atm?
I wonder, here's me:
also regarding weapon enchant
vigor for raid useful?
chilly brook
btw, is there any way to have too much haste atm?
No there's literally no such thing
chilly brook
166%
outer solstice
oof
chilly brook
You're not reaching it
outer solstice
yeah not gonna happen xD
chilly brook
Hence haste never stops being valuable
outer solstice
ty xD
chilly brook
As to your second question I'm not sure, I just run lightless force for the damage
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
outer solstice
yeah same
shrug
I mean, the increase on IP is probabyl not worht as fast as it caps
along the conduit that increases it
outer solstice
12% increased incoming heals for 10 seconds
outer solstice
was condering it for sludge though
chilly brook
Eh
outer solstice
xD
chilly brook
12% increased healing that you cant control
outer solstice
killed it with lightless force though
yeah but on permanent damage
it might be useful
so not good on most bosses
chilly brook
And those windows likely wont make a difference
Sludge is just a lot of damage everywhere
Both to the raid and the tanks
Healers just have to learn how to deal with it
outer solstice
btw, what trinket am I shooting for? the cheat death one from kael?
outer solstice
so yeah the PvP one seems fine I guess
chilly brook
Scale from Hakkar and Anima Emitter from Spires are super nice though
outer solstice
yeah but not really an M+ guy
chilly brook
Scale is great since it does a good amount of damage and good absorb
outer solstice
I need to be lucky on the chest
outer solstice
oh well, then let's hope for some luck
so scale + PvP one probabyl a good combo I guess
chilly brook
Its like a 27k absorb at 220
outer solstice
*gasp
chilly brook
And does a really good amount of damage
outer solstice
when I only do de other side, will all my M+ chests be from there?
chilly brook
Not afaik
chilly brook
If I could have given you my chest I would have
I've gotten it two weeks in a row
outer solstice
do I need to roll for dps or tank on that trinket?
chilly brook
Tank
outer solstice
hehe, well I got the chest out of the chest xD
chilly brook
You should stay as tank for loot spec until you have max ilvl shield and weapon
outer solstice
oh well I shoot for PvP shield and raid 1hand
dusky mica
it also does not work on sludgefist at all (bug)
dusky mica
it only procs from the environmental damage, not any of sludges attacks
so it's shit on that fight specifically
outer solstice
ty xD
sorry for all the questions xD got conscripted as tank last week as our main tank got booted xD
dusky mica
main tanking 100% of sludge might work correctly more often yeah
the bug seems to be that if you're not the direct target of an attack it doesnt proc (aside from environmental damage which procs it everywhere)
outer solstice
have they acknowledged the bug and gonan be fixing it?
or no word from big blue yet?
dusky mica
I reported it on beta and live but that doesnt mean much.
I think it's fine to use it in M+ if you think +5% more healing received is good
In raids it's trash really
outer solstice
yeah and in M+ the AoE aggro and dmg is probabyl worth more
outer solstice
gl
patent cairn
184 and 190 shield isn't a big difference, right ?
patent cairn
I mean in block value
outer solstice
dis classic?
sorry 😦 bad reaction
I don't think block value is a thing anymore on retail
rapid trench
Ofc it is
patent cairn
ilvl. I have 184 shield, and also can afford boe shield with same stats but 190 ilvl. I guess its not worth it
rapid trench
Anount of block increases the amount of dmg you reduce when you block
Do you feel squishy if yes buy a shield
dusky mica
are you in game?
patent cairn
Nope
dusky mica
the armor diff from 184 to 190 is 16
patent cairn
I feel extra squishy tanking 7+. But I guess that shield will not change the situation
mental scarab
Shield is our most important upgrade 🤷🏼♂️
dusky mica
it is yeah, if you can get said upgrade
mental scarab
Y
outer solstice
yeah but buying BoE....
dusky mica
a +6 ilvl on shield isnt why you are squishy in a +7 though
mental scarab
Like i tanked all the M fine with Maybe 130 isch ivl at the start, think it was for i had my 190 shield
Nha thats bad play
Like 99% we are squishy 
patent cairn
I am 192 ilvl. Charged 4 mobs in Tirna (before 2 drusts at 1st boss) instadied WITH SB and SR.
mental scarab
Lul
outer solstice
that's a cast though
dusky mica
all their damage is magic tho
outer solstice
the soul cleave
patent cairn
9 key
mental scarab
Smacked in the back
outer solstice
go in there with spell reflect
patent cairn
I had it
outer solstice
then your DPS might have messed up
dusky mica
tbh probably slow healer
outer solstice
but yeah the first packs in mists are pretty tight
patent cairn
How ? Im done at 2-3 secs...
outer solstice
that's where nightfae comes in handy 😛
I can boost myself to 96k HP xD xD
and have the knockdown running on these damn casters
patent cairn
I love prot, but this situation left me speechless...
patent cairn
If I do Cc's only and kite - bb aggro i guess
patent cairn
Have it. And some packs are so unconfortable... There are 2 casters - i cant group them in 1 pack
woven kiln
for that pack, bolster for the free SB, demo shout, spam IPs until pack is dead. cc one of them maybe
woven kiln
yeah don't assume you can do all of the mob control, it's designed so you need to work as a group
dusky mica
give someone a marker and a job
woven kiln
IF you try to do everything, you'll just stretch yourself too thin and be a shit tank
sometimes you just can't create a deathball, it's not a huge deal
dusky mica
hunter kick first on skull for example
takes the pressure off while you run around gathering mobs
BFA was the same at high levels, you're limited by dps doing their jobs, tanking and healing kinda plateau'd
patent cairn
Oh, im stupid... I can kick one of them, and bring 2 melees and silenced one to 1 caster...
woven kiln
lol in BFA TD was all the group mates you needed 😄
dusky mica
in the final season yes
kindred warren
All my other gear is 190-225 and I got this one shit belt at 171 fuck you blizz really
honest plinth
How ? Im done at 2-3 secs...
@patent cairn stun them for soul shit sinc sr first outrangr 2nd sr 3rd if you need
outer solstice
@kindred warren you can upgrade honor gear to 184 or get a conquest belt at 200 unranked
I think the PvP gear is perfect to catch up on specific slots
obsidian gate
What race have most people here gone?
fiery vector
im nightborne
empty locust
Happy new year from Melbourne Australia!
outer solstice
happy new year to you down there
astral crystal
my very first character way back in vanilla was a balding male human
native coyote
human female for combat animations and +rep
obsidian gate
I have a troll
jade axle
Z-Troll
obsidian gate
Couldn't get past trying to like the bare feet
blissful pebble
Dark Iron Dwarf and it feels so good on necrotic week and in Castle Nathria
astral crystal
to this day the thing that triggers me the most about playing a tauren is boots
obsidian gate
So I've gone tauren. I mean I like how they aren't slouched. But I just can't get past their hooves . Lol
So I'm thinking orc
jade axle
I dont like how Ztroll runs, big regerts race changing from orc
obsidian gate
Even with dressing room on Wowhead I thought I would like tauren. At first I have but they just arent growing on me
jade axle
Maybe ill go normal troll like my classic char
thorny laurel
Do people play Into The Fray over Ravager in M+? When I looked at the top logs in raid its filled with ItF but was wondering if thats different in M+
steel mauve
most will use ravager in m+ but itf isnt a bad talent itself
thorny laurel
Alright cheers
obsidian gate
I mean they even allow you to choose 'upright' posture for orcs now but not trolls lol
blissful pebble
Is it possible to get a higher level piercing verdict than the 200 one dropped by the world boss? Does https://www.wowhead.com/item=184359/unbound-reality-fragment#comments work to upgrade this higher? Where can I see what a higher item level version will give me cant seem to find a source to show conduit effect by item level.
silver trout
What race have most people here gone?
Blood Elf here... I like the purge a lot
fierce tendon
Is it possible to get a higher level piercing verdict than the 200 one dropped b...
yeah I think, just work from 184-200 values and add on, won't be too far off
blissful pebble
Is it possible to get a higher level piercing verdict than the 200 one dropped b...
Answering one of my own questions: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=339259/piercing-verdict?rank=5 (213 for example) you can manually change the rank at the end of the hyperlink to see higher item level versions of conduits. Has anyone as yet acquired a higher than 200 piercing verdict?
blissful pebble
yeah I think, just work from 184-200 values and add on, won't be too far off
What addon are you referencing? I don't follow.
fierce tendon
What addon are you referencing? I don't follow.
subtract the value from the 200 ilvl conduit from the 184 conduit and add that value onto the 200 value to find the 213 value, the number you get will most likely be off by like 1%
idk if you can find the value on wowhead because it doesn't drop
blissful pebble
subtract the value from the 200 ilvl conduit from the 184 conduit and add that v...
Fair point on extrapolating but I have found out how to see it now on wowhead. Keen to know if anyone has acquired it yet. I have an unhealthy amount of Stygia and if it can upgrade PV I will do it.
fierce tendon
I think the only way to upgrade it is to get lucky via venari upgrade that u linked earlier
unless there's some other way to upgrade conduits that idk
sweet summit
yeah nah thats it
quartz patrol
Hey guys, is the sanguine vintage trinket good for raiding/mythic plus?
Is there a place that ranks trinkets for prot warriors based on survivability/dps?
sweet summit
its alright, less absorb and duration than scale but also on half the cd and could heal you
sick sentinel
i can see the effect for the +4 affix now but i still don't fully understand it, we kill them first i know for sure
attempted to do SD 5, but i forgot to move the boss (2nd boss) on 3rd add death, so i trapped us and we got covid ring spreading
wasn't a good time
blissful pebble
Is there a place that ranks trinkets for prot warriors based on survivability/dp...
Section in the guide on it https://www.wowhead.com/protection-warrior-gear-guide
blissful pebble
Hey guys, is the sanguine vintage trinket good for raiding/mythic plus?
If you want more survival and will active use the on use of the trinket it is really nice in M+ especially as an extra short CD defensive. I would add that if you play prot in open world the trinket is great to use to heal yourself quickly when taking light damage or between fights. Since any unused absorb heals you for double that amount.
steel mauve
they dont really rank them, they just give you descriptions of the trinkets and their thoughts on them, there isnt ever really a one size fits all bis trinket combo, but youll get a good run out of the hakkar trinket and most likely a dps one
undone jacinth
the Hakkar trinket is a dps trinket so I prefer to just have a stat stick on the other
steel mauve
hakkar trinket is a huge shield and our best defensive trinket
muted pendant
for me anima emitter and blood scale are def BIS
undone jacinth
hakkar trinket is a huge shield and our best defensive trinket
it’s also one of the best dps trinkets in the game
uncut jasper
Ol Hakkar, him a nasty one
blissful pebble
hakkar trinket is a huge shield and our best defensive trinket
It is defensive and good but with the lower CD I think Sanguine Vintage is superior as an on use defensive. As it can both be used more frequently and generates more absorb per minute.
undone jacinth
less on aoe
west prairie
is am good with the wall or bolster still
undone jacinth
bolster if ur having to tank stuff
honest plinth
is am good with the wall or bolster still
you mean am or bolster?
jagged pier
is am good with the wall or bolster still
AM is for damage bolster for defensive
honest plinth
idk bolster is mandatory atleast for me
tardy parcel
Ol Hakkar, him a nasty one
... Mr. Grinch
honest plinth
i dont think i can survive without it
blissful pebble
i dont think i can survive without it
Survive what?
honest plinth
fortify trash or tyranical bosses
also bolster is boosting your grp dps
if you dont need to kite
fierce tendon
Nitro boots belt enchant from wotlk hitting different this week
can actually kite some of the inspired mobs
open monolith
just trap the inspired mob and pull the rest ;O
blissful pebble
fortify trash or tyranical bosses
All depends on the key level and items being used I guess. Shield wall, The Wall, Stalwart Guardian and Anger Management have nice synergy and can also negate the need to kite.
dreamy willow
On which slot shoud i build my Thunderlord Hands or Feet ?
honest plinth
All depends on the key level and items being used I guess. Shield wall, The Wall...
im not using the wall
honest plinth
On which slot shoud i build my Thunderlord Hands or Feet ?
feet
open monolith
or hands
they are virtually indentical in stat weight. buy whichever one needs the ilvl upgrade and / or is cheaper
astral crystal
keeping in mind there's a good boe alternative for hands
honest plinth
everyone are using boots btw
open monolith
no, not everyone "are using boots" btw
and that's a stupid argument to begin with.
honest plinth
ok
blissful pebble
Good boots are harder to come by so better boots.
dreamy willow
i have both on i level 200 with same sup stats
open monolith
the difference in stats between gloves and boots amounts to about 1 secondary stat and 12 armor
and that's at like, mythic level ilvl
honest plinth
boots are better idk what are you talking about
blissful pebble
Can we trust a sock to be unbiased against boots though 😛
open monolith
I have mine on boots.
undone jacinth
I’m using gloves
dreamy willow
Krit / hast for m+ ?
honest plinth
haste vers
dreamy willow
but i need to stats for my legi ^^
undone jacinth
I use haste mastery
open monolith
haste / crit for a tiny amount of more damage, haste / vers for a tiny amount of more defense
honest plinth
tahts the reason why you have hands lol
open monolith
Coba only pays attention to guides / favorite streamers advice
incapable of independent thought
pay him no mind.
undone jacinth
indeed
astral crystal
damn you guys need to chill
honest plinth
lol
astral crystal
it's nye
open monolith
I'm super chill
honest plinth
fucking retards
astral crystal
have a drink
open monolith
NYE is such a waste of a day
I can't wait to be in bed by 830pm to work tomorrow morning
\o/
woven kiln
usually ilvl is king, more stats beats better stats
blissful pebble
Quite interested to hear the reasoning behind mastery insults aside
open monolith
Mastery tends to have a lower offensive and defensive value than the other stats
honest plinth
huge brain mastery player
undone jacinth
fucking retards
😂
open monolith
it is by no means a "bad stat"
but that also depends on your character's current stats
which is why stat weights and stat priorities are a trap
and you should sim yourself
undone jacinth
where are u getting mastery having the lowest offensive value from lol
open monolith
(except Haste is always king for us)
honest plinth
sim is for dps
woven kiln
all the stats are pretty OK at the moment. Who's swimming in enough gear to stack one stat over another right now??
undone jacinth
It has twice the sim value of any stat
undone jacinth
Yeah and u do dps mate
undone jacinth
good
honest plinth
you can play whatever you wan tidk
open monolith
there is nothing wrong with gearing for DPS, especially if you play in coordinated groups and you aren't dying
undone jacinth
mastery has fine defensive value and twice as much offensive value as anything else and is useful for off spec
but I’m sure u with ur haste vers wall legendary are tanking ur +2s amazingly
blissful pebble
DPS is important but our survival results in more dps from our groups.
undone jacinth
mastery gives u defensive value as well, it’s not far behind
astral crystal
lmao wtf the toxicity
honest plinth
but I’m sure u with ur haste vers wall legendary are tanking ur +2s amazingly
you are so toxic
undone jacinth
u just called us fucking retards literally 3min ago
steel mauve
You both are
honest plinth
are you n1 rio pwarr player?
woven kiln
I mean, under the assumption you'll run into a diversity of healer skill, keeping yourself alive is prio over dps, imo. If you've got the same pro pocket healer in every +20 sure stack full DPS, but if you're in that world, you're probably playing Veng anyway
honest plinth
u just called us fucking retards literally 3min ago
yes because you are
undone jacinth
okay
blissful pebble
Yep not sure where this came from what lofty heights are you swinging your dick from Dolphin?
undone jacinth
??
woven kiln
so I'm not really buying the op mastery argument
undone jacinth
I’m being sarcastic to him because his logic is narrow minded
idk who has what rating
idc*
honest plinth
mastery is overall worst stat for us but you still can collect items with it ofc
also show me at least 1 pwarr focusing on mastery
on 1st page
steel mauve
To be honest, the stats are so close together the only issue you would ever have is stacking any thing over haste
open monolith
^
steel mauve
So this entire arguement is dumb as fuck since the stats after haste doesnt matter
honest plinth
ofc ilvl is prio we are talking about same ilvls
astral crystal
wait is dolphin a top m+ tank? i missed that part
steel mauve
And you both are being toxic pieces of shit over the dumbest fucking thing
astral crystal
he said something about posting rank
blissful pebble
but I’m sure u with ur haste vers wall legendary are tanking ur +2s amazingly
Would love you to share what is possible give us a link 🙂
honest plinth
wait is dolphin a top m+ tank? i missed that part
seems like
astral crystal
genuinely asking
undone jacinth
I didn’t say anything about rank lol I was taking the piss out of the limited brain logic because in here people are always obsessed about mitigation and it’s usually in relation to +7s or whatever
astral crystal
no toxic
woven kiln
comparing IO is so insecure
blissful pebble
oh yeah u wanna compare progress mate
...
undone jacinth
yeah taking the piss
woven kiln
Why do groups choke on hakkar with pride and lust, only to kill it straight away after a wipe? I've depleted a 16 down to a 14 there today cause jitters...
toxic gyro
When u push high keys u don’t look for extra dps, u look how to survive better. Also what Hawgz said
undone jacinth
the guy comes telling people they are fucking retards for wearing mastery on their gloves and yall think I have issues for calling out that he’s likely a low skill player
mellow patio
both are dumb comments
steel mauve
No i think you both have issues and need to chill out
undone jacinth
okay
steel mauve
Both need to step away and calm down
mellow patio
if you don't have anything constructive to say take it to dms and flame each other there
undone jacinth
I explained my view
mellow patio
Why do groups choke on hakkar with pride and lust, only to kill it straight away...
because when the prideful turns on the brains turn off. it is known :^)
steel mauve
And this discord is used to help players become better with information, not putting each other down and being toxic, if you devolve to that either take it to dms or step away and forget about it entirely
astral crystal
hakkar tyrannical is kind of a bitch
woven kiln
I think it's the same syndrome that makes them choke on the last boss on ToP at 10% lol
mellow patio
hakkar tyrannical is kind of a bitch
strong forum
people tend to tunnel
steady spruce
who dares disturb the magic dolphin of wisdom?
mellow patio
forgetting those adds will wipe you on tyr
woven kiln
you'll see them play perfectly for 35 mins, when the pressure kicks in right when things overlap at the end and they eat one of the spirits 😄
undone jacinth
having the last boss be the wall is always the worst
30min of smoothness for one big moment
steady spruce
Did somebody say Plaguefall/ToP?
jolly thistle
only weak tanks have to jump up 
woven kiln
plaguefall was actually ok this week. With the new pathing, you get pride for start of last boss, and lust after 2nd transition
steady spruce
What"s the deal with the arcane debuff on Merchant fight btw? i really don't understand what we're supposed to do
astral crystal
your dps is supposed to bounce it around
most of the time they just dump it on you
undone jacinth
it jumps to the nearest target
undone jacinth
u can juggle it between 3 players so you just need a dps to take it to your ranged really
steady spruce
i don't thiink most players know about it a t all
undone jacinth
yeah it’s not obvious
strong forum
most players dont do keys where it matters to know about it
undone jacinth
think most don’t even know about the mill house stun
strong forum
yuh
steady spruce
i saw someone use lust with pride on milhouse and obliterated him.
Guess what happened with Malificent
honest plinth
plaguefall was actually ok this week. With the new pathing, you get pride for s...
after 2nd transition. is is phase 3 right? because we are using hero on last phase all the time idk if that correct or not, bit this phase is pretty hard in terms of boss damage.
woven kiln
a hunter on manastorm: 'tank take beam ffs!'
open monolith
they need to fucking fix the manastorms fight
you are punished for having high dps on that fight
strong forum
you can get away with burning Milhouse on low keys, but on higher keys its pretty dumb
open monolith
yeah low keys who cares, do whatever
steady spruce
i feel like the chainsaw of the Milificent is still too much damage
undone jacinth
just tell ur guy to lust milli and it’s usually ok
open monolith
but when millhouse doesn't use the stun to stop Millie, that's just dumb
open monolith
this is the worst 1st season of m+ i've experienced.
like, it's all super doable
but it doesn't feel good
at all
strong forum
just like KR was never properly tuned
undone jacinth
they’ve actually been fixing m+ really quick this expac because they have so little systemic issues
woven kiln
after 2nd transition. is is phase 3 right? because we are using hero on last pha...
yeah, it's when she's going crazy with the rain, so you can outheal it. You could use a different strat if you have mass dispell maybe
undone jacinth
they fixed the millhouse reset bug the other day which actually depleted my key lol
jolly thistle
de other side is designed to f... p warriors
open monolith
millhouse reset bug?
honest plinth
imagine having DKs or Priests
well i have mw 😄
jolly thistle
e.g. shadow dmg on melee hits on the small skeletons
steady spruce
Do you guys bring the ooze in the Milhouse corridor to get more time on Pride?
undone jacinth
if u aggro millhouse and feign death reset the boss they both fight u together and don’t cast any spells
except they now don’t do that
cos it’s fixed
woven kiln
boo
mellow patio
they fix first boss spires?
open monolith
lole.
astral crystal
there's a similar bug in NW, if you fd pull the necromancers they dont cast any spells when you engage them
woven kiln
have they fixed the bug that keeps giving me PF and DoS keys?
undone jacinth
that still works yeah
open monolith
You know what would be cool?
If I got a mists or halls key
literally once
literally once
undone jacinth
lmao I get NW SD keys only it feels like
open monolith
yep. NW SD
woven kiln
not seen a single high MoTS one yet
open monolith
that's all I get
jolly thistle
we somehow managed to pull the manastorms at the second drill mob.
jolly thistle
fun times when the whole group gets snaped to the boss room
mellow patio
I started this week with a single 16 mists and I will end this week having done only that key
woven kiln
I think I need to pop more cooldowns before opening the vault next week for better luck on the key
undone jacinth
it’s real bad for my bear
open monolith
you can trap the inspiring mob and pull it separately. slows down progress but it is easy
undone jacinth
yeah speed is an issue though
honest plinth
you can trap the inspiring mob and pull it separately. slows down progress but i...
you still can dps whole pack with this mob at least in 15s
undone jacinth
I haven’t seen it myself but I was told inspiring mobs inspire other ones, which is insanely toxic
honest plinth
i mean you dont need to cc in 15s
open monolith
lol what do you mean dolphin, like double inspiring?
undone jacinth
well it’s an old strategy to cc all the inspires then pull them together after
woven kiln
inspiring is bad. I thought it was going to be as intimidating as tides, but it's not. It's kinda easy, but just slows things down and makes trash a little more boring. Tyr weeks should at least be fun times to smash all the packs with mass aoe
undone jacinth
it’s how infested was done
open monolith
right, I remember that
HOT TAKE I LIKED INFESTED
IT WAS A FUN AND INTERESTING MECHANIC
DON'T @ ME
undone jacinth
I did too tbh
apart from when the grubs went through the floor
or in atal when the role play mobs were infested and they would infest and aggro to you when u weren’t even in combat
mellow patio
That’s a lul hating reaping
mellow patio
It was uninteresting but at least you could pipe
woven kiln
that was what was FUN about it 😄
undone jacinth
yeah I get a lot of ppl liked it
I prefer stuff like this pride where it’s a challenge to kill it but also is rewarding
inland mesa
We somehow pulled the last boss of spires on the 3rd boss floor and she came down, couldn't be attacked and the model was probably 10x the size it should be
And half her body was in the floor
undone jacinth
lol
inland mesa
So that was exciting
woven kiln
pride is pretty cool. I think it's bad for the game because of how delicate it makes keys.
undone jacinth
Pride seems good for the game, for me it’s how dumb tyrannical is that makes keys delicate!
paper coral
im nightborne
Why Nightborne?
woven kiln
I just feel bad for new tanks right now
imagine having to do exact routing as you learn that
undone jacinth
yeah it’s a war zone for sure
routing is probably easier this expac though
don’t really rely on group utility
open monolith
I kinda agree that I hate prideful
woven kiln
ye no mandatory shrouds
open monolith
I think it would be better if the NPC that spawns prideful was available before the key depletes.
on some tyrannical weeks, killing certain bosses without prideful feels real bad
woven kiln
or if you can summon it after you clear 20% when you want
undone jacinth
there’s something interesting about designing ur count properly to me
mellow patio
Summoning it when you want makes it a non affix
undone jacinth
I think ur issue there is more with the boss tuning than anything
some bosses really aren’t right
lusty marsh
HoA 2nd boss on tyrannical makes me sad.
open monolith
I don't have much of an issue with Echelon
woven kiln
I've not ran into issues personally, but thoughts come up like: necrotic wake, newer tank, pulls 1 extra mob at start (very easy to do). in 25 minutes time the group will get pride during the gauntlet and wipe, probably disband. That just feels too harsh for new players
undone jacinth
hoa 2nd u can beat with strats but is a pug nightmare
stradama is just broken amounts of dmg
lusty marsh
Maybe I just don't understand his timers. Are some of his abilities hp based
shrewd geode
Do you guys use revenge often?
undone jacinth
he does have some weird spell queueing but u can do the whole fight with basic concepts
strong forum
Do you guys use revenge often?
Yes
lusty marsh
I feel like sometimes stone call goes off at the same time as the minion summon
undone jacinth
stack on tank when adds come, dispel the guy who gets circle and avoid blood
strong forum
It's your main damage button in aoe
undone jacinth
he can definitely queue it up weird but if u just make sure ur nuking the adds you should always be ok
woven kiln
quite a bit
open monolith
is that overall?
woven kiln
depends on how much you need to spam IP for survival, or what your aggro issues are like, or what the DPS is like, etc
open monolith
looks like you're maybe overusing Ignore Pain instead of revenge
woven kiln
ye overall
open monolith
and underusing spear
woven kiln
PF
open monolith
I don't think i've ever had melee be higher DPS than revenge or spear
open monolith
Nero you aren't using Spear on CD, there's no way
woven kiln
nah not this week
woven kiln
too important for mob control
ionic fern
Be a man.
open monolith
meh.
woven kiln
you're right, I'll take off my shield too
undone jacinth
lmao
open monolith
.....
woven kiln
grr
strong forum
I'm puuuumping
open monolith
we're giving you good advice, lol
there's no world in which Melee should be higher damage than Revenge or Spear.
Make stuff die faster.
woven kiln
lol man your poor healer 😄
ionic fern
Not really, no.-
open monolith
^
strong forum
Doesn't have to heal for shit
undone jacinth
ur healer is having to heal u for longer
honest plinth
quite a bit
what is ilvl of your hateful strike trinket?
woven kiln
226
honest plinth
oh i see coz mine is 207 and its doing like 2.5%
stable hare
Dumb questlon but, does melee means autoattacks in the pic?
ionic fern
Yes.
open monolith
yes
honest plinth
i asked because i have rhe same numbers on oil and weapon enchant
patent cairn
So if I my 1st overall damage is from melee's - Im doing smth wrong ?
ionic fern
More than likely yes.
patent cairn
Oooof
strong forum
Absolutely
woven kiln
aye
strong forum
You're not pressing your buttons
patent cairn
But rage for mitigations ?
ionic fern
Shield Slam - one of your hardest hitting abilities Generates rage, no real excuse not to use it.
👀
woven kiln
But rage for mitigations ?
that's a contentious issue 😄
ionic fern
You are just not clicking your buttons enough.
strong forum
Use more buttons
ionic fern
Probably wasting rage on IP or overcapping.
strong forum
Literally
undone jacinth
the mitigation obsession is back ^^
undone jacinth
clap and slam cost u no rage
ionic fern
Do you have any logs?
patent cairn
Not on a phone 😋
strong forum
Generally your dmg breakdown should look like mwahi's or mine
I'm a bit greedy with revenge so it's not gospel
woven kiln
the mitigation obsession is back ^^
it never left for me (apart from in SoO when you solotank blackfuse with vengeance, and do so much dos the boss forgets his name)
strong forum
But generally how it should look like
patent cairn
Noted 👍
honest plinth
Usually SB + IP
you can try to use Unnerving Focus for some rage if you want. huge % of pwarriors are using it
patent cairn
Usually if I dont have sb or ip - im dead...
strong forum
That's when you kite
mellow patio
^
strong forum
But in alot of dungeons, especially on lower keys, the packs die before you run out of everything
Depends alot on the dungeon
Key level, and group dps
feral heart
is that the case for raid as well?
strong forum
No
open monolith
what if I told you that Bolster with Unnerving Focus is actually a DPS cooldown?
Press Bolster, get more rage, spam the fuck out of revenge for 15 seconds
undone jacinth
but I’m taaaank not dpsss
open monolith
Then you turn to your friends in Discord and say
strong forum
This is raid
open monolith
"Look at me, I'm the DPS now"
lusty marsh
How do you guys make the call to use clap over revenge.
strong forum
Experience
feral heart
ok that looks more like my log :D
strong forum
I often forego TC when I have alot of rage, during ravager I never press TC
open monolith
The easy mode decision on Tclap vs revenge is: use Tclap over revenge if it won't cause you to overcap rage.
The hard mode is: do I need this rage more than I need the damage?
The 2nd one comes with experience
strong forum
And just spam revenge + ss
lusty marsh
I'm running wall so ds uptime isn't a consideration atm
open monolith
like, if you're in Mists
just press revenge
like don't even think about it
press revenge.
like all the time
the mobs do no damage there
tanking mists feels so good
I wish every dungeon was mists
lusty marsh
Same
lusty marsh
The only pack I feel gives me a little trouble is the 3rd to last pack before 1st boss in the shallow water.
But part of that is kicks
undone jacinth
uh
woven kiln
I really like SD. That last gauntlet forces you facetank. No slimy kiting meta for a change
lusty marsh
The last gauntlet forces you to watch dps fly to their deaths
grand drum
Necrotic gauntlet
patent cairn
Mists without kite ? How ? Im getting destroyed on last pack before 2 drusts near 1st boss... And one with treant in it
undone jacinth
when ur healer walks in to the gauntlet with no mana 😦
strong forum
Mists without kite ? How ? Im getting destroyed on last pack before 2 drusts nea...
Just kill the stuff
silver trout
oh no
strong forum
Just 1 day ago I didn't even know that soulsplit was an ability
woven kiln
NW gauntlet is either hell, or cheesed
lusty marsh
Get your team to single target each down if you are having trouble
Thrash activates at 50% hp
woven kiln
depends if you've fucked up a pride, or lost a spear, or w/e
woven kiln
Mists without kite ? How ? Im getting destroyed on last pack before 2 drusts nea...
you or your group? basic IP saves you there unless it's a mad +18 or something. If everyone's dying, your healer isn't saving anything, or you pulled with him/her oom
undone jacinth
he means the 2 soul guys and the 2 caster pack before
woven kiln
oh that one
undone jacinth
there’s two nasty tank casts and 2 casters spamming
woven kiln
cc one of em and nuke
tbh I normally just aggro them and run for my buff while the dps down them
patent cairn
On 10 key without SW ive got destroyed (192 ilvl)
woven kiln
leave them a ravager as a parting gift
undone jacinth
depends how many casts are getting through and stuff
patent cairn
Charge, TC, Booming, SB - dead
undone jacinth
nah
strong forum
On 10 key without SW ive got destroyed (192 ilvl)
At 192 you really shouldn't
M+ is more than just ilvl = key
chilly brook
@outer solstice block value is extremely important btw, it's only on one item we cannot get anymore of it outside of that item and it directly effects our main mitigation. It's why the shield is our most important piece by far.
strong forum
It's group coordination first and foremost
undone jacinth
probably wanna be blocking at the start tho
chilly brook
Good morning bois
strong forum
But like I said, I didn't even know those packs hurt and I've done it like 5 times on 14/15
patent cairn
Lucky you then 😅
strong forum
Just kill it 4head
lusty marsh
I need to figure out how to get more arena rating so I can make my shield amazing.
undone jacinth
I fuggin hate pvp but pvp gearing is so broken
strong forum
I love pvp
lusty marsh
I need to get a better 2hander
undone jacinth
use sulfuras
knotty geyser
Is there a way to get a stat weight string from raidbots for prot?
open monolith
MISTS PRO TIP: the stat mushrooms full heal you instantly
and since nobody uses the toughshrooms
have a NF open the door while you tank that pack
and abuse the shrooms for health
strong forum
chilly brook
Honestly pvp this xpac is sick
undone jacinth
that is a pro tip
strong forum
Is there a way to get a stat weight string from raidbots for prot?
no, just sim every piece
knotty geyser
I really enjoy pvp this xpack
chilly brook
Like I hated it in BFA
Wasn't a huge fan in Legion
Loved it in WoD
But its dope af rn
knotty geyser
no, just sim every piece
So wait I shouldn't find a stat weight?
chilly brook
No
knotty geyser
Honestly PvP in this reminds be a lot of Wrath and Cata
undone jacinth
sim doesn’t mean anything for survival either tho
chilly brook
So largely useless unless doing trivial content where you're not in danger and can just pump
knotty geyser
So should I just generally go by the stat prio
knotty geyser
I get that
undone jacinth
he was told above to sim every piece instead of stat weight
knotty geyser
I just want to make sure im using the best gear is all
ok so i am right then
i should get the stat weights
undone jacinth
lol
chilly brook
No
strong forum
look lmao i just want the string for pawn
delete pawn
open monolith
don't use pawn 🤢
knotty geyser
really
strong forum
yes
open monolith
bro you wanna make it easy?
undone jacinth
stat weights relate to what’s gonna bump up ur sim, which then will tell u what does ur highest dps in a simulation
chilly brook
You equip highest ilvl and the general stat priority for real content
patent cairn
Is threat meter a good thing ?
undone jacinth
none of it means anything for ur survival
chilly brook
You sim for straight dps
undone jacinth
for survival u can just look at what the stats actually do and decide which of those things u want to do
chilly brook
Is threat meter a good thing ?
It's not a bad thing to have, cant hurt
undone jacinth
like vers is gonna be better vs high magic for example
chilly brook
It's not something you need to pay attention to either though
undone jacinth
While mastery is better if u wanna get more dmg and survive at the same time
rough egret
we stack haste for SB uptime right?
shrewd geode
Are there any like mandatory tank trinkets?
chilly brook
we stack haste for SB uptime right?
For a lot of reasons
undone jacinth
nothing is mandatory but scale is some juice in most content
chilly brook
Reduces CD of SB, more melees, which means more shield slam resets, more rage, more globals which is more rage etc.
patent cairn
Cause when I pull, if I dont TC and Revenge at least once (doing it even instead sb or ip) - I loose aggro
chilly brook
Shouldn't be that way
I played with some pumpers last night and didnt have much issue
shrewd geode
Whats the best single target talent build for like raids?
chilly brook
Like PUMPERS
knotty geyser
I've never really had issues with aggro
rough egret
im at 25% haste now, still not every piece with haste
chilly brook
Whats the best single target talent build for like raids?
Could be different for you but dev, dragon roar, itf, AM
Probably sim to see if its different for you
patent cairn
Eh, why me... When I do Charge - DS - SB - Slam on pack, that means I loose aggro 100%
patent cairn
Im using it ONLY if pack is in 1 place
chilly brook
Eh, why me... When I do Charge - DS - SB - Slam on pack, that means I loose aggr...
Try throwing ravager at the pack before charging in?
outer solstice
im at 25% haste now, still not every piece with haste
28% here and yeah nto every piece has haste yet
chilly brook
No reason not to
outer solstice
you guys use a targeted ravager or @heavy mirage ?
rough egret
@stoic erminesor
rough egret
spear, rav, leap are on cursor 😄
chilly brook
That being said I also dont use ravager outside of m+
outer solstice
well yeah for leap that's for sure
shrewd geode
So dragon roar is better than booming voice bc it does damage?
undone jacinth
are u playing venthyr zanik
knotty geyser
Night Fae is amazing
outer solstice
I like ravager for raid though, even with 28% haste I don't have enough rage xD
undone jacinth
dragon roar isn’t necessarily better
chilly brook
So dragon roar is better than booming voice bc it does damage?
For pure single target it sims higher for most people
outer solstice
yeah night Fae is fun
shrewd geode
Oh i just meant single target raid build to survive lol
chilly brook
Outside of single target BV is better for sure for damage
Even in raid I wouldn't say you're better off using BV for survival
knotty geyser
tanking i feel is really conduit dependant
chilly brook
You're still gonna DS on CD
And neither is BV outside of the 40 rage @undone jacinth
undone jacinth
ye and what does 40 rage give u
outer solstice
on surviving if you messe up
undone jacinth
no but it’s better
outer solstice
yet it is a tad more
chilly brook
You're still using DS on CD
undone jacinth
obviously
outer solstice
also 1 less GCD to hit
chilly brook
Which is what's gonna make a difference realistically over 20 more rage
chilly brook
It's a better talent that anything else on that row
outer solstice
sorry I prefer punish atm
chilly brook
@shrewd geode yea that's fine
shrewd geode
Ok sorry for such nooby questions lol
chilly brook
You'd go bolster if you wanna turbonerd survival in raid but you shouldn't need it since theres a ton of downtime for swaps
outer solstice
if we're talking pure single target survival punish/BV is better
undone jacinth
??
shrewd geode
Is my build ok for M+ as well?
undone jacinth
do u know what punish does lol
shrewd geode
Or do i need to swap something for M+
chilly brook
do u know what punish does lol
I do
undone jacinth
so how can u possibly say it isn’t better for pure survival
sick sentinel
i got the 184 conduit to reduce SW cooldown
outer solstice
you can buy the 213 for 200 conquest ^^
sick sentinel
i haven't touched pvp
lusty marsh
Conquest conduits feel like a trap
outer solstice
yeah but getting 200 conquest can be done unranked with a few quests or random BGs
yeah they are @lusty marsh
but not for people that don't do PvP really
it's a good option for them I think
lusty marsh
I'm just glad I'll have enough ash this week to make the mortalstrike blamestorm leggo this week after pumping wall
chilly brook
so how can u possibly say it isn’t better for pure survival
Because its less rage generation if we wanna play the absolute most defensive how much is that 3% for 9 seconds actually going to remove from the equation against more IP casts
And yes I'm aware it can stack
outer solstice
yeah usually it's like 6%
undone jacinth
ur nuts if u think it’s close
chilly brook
6% is still abysmally low compared to more IP casts
shrewd geode
I have 20% crit/haste and 28% mast but my vers is only 4% is that ok?
strong forum
I have 20% crit/haste and 28% mast but my vers is only 4% is that ok?
only thing that matters is equipping highest ilvl and then focusing on haste
shrewd geode
Oh ok so prio ilvl haste
undone jacinth
we aren’t talking about need, we’re talking about what offers the most survival
it’s not close between them
shrewd geode
Is there a cap?
outer solstice
166% xD
strong forum
its hard to tell what absolutely wins, especially since punish doesnt translate into aoe
outer solstice
would be a softcap
strong forum
Is there a cap?
no there are no caps
shrewd geode
Oh nice!
shrewd geode
ty bro 😄
outer solstice
yeah we were talking ST survival @strong forum
undone jacinth
??
strong forum
on 5min you get 12-15 more SS out of playing Deva
chilly brook
It's just not worth talenting into Punish tbh rn
undone jacinth
yeah that is not even remotely close to the amount of dmg absorbed by punish
chilly brook
Unless you're maybe having issues on sludge
outer solstice
well I forgot to factor in the wall
chilly brook
But even then 6% off his melees probably wont save you
strong forum
thats not the discussion
outer solstice
that makes devastatator a lot closer
strong forum
but unless theres math to say whats better defensively
i cant honestly answer
and its quite hard to model
undone jacinth
ofc there is
sturdy sable
Id say more rage is def more useful then 3% dr stacking on a single target
undone jacinth
that’s 5.2 IPs
undone jacinth
right so ur extra rage is wasted on dmg
sturdy sable
Especially if your running wall it gives you even more rage
chilly brook
So it's not full value of punish
chilly brook
Uhhh
Again
You're not even getting full value out of punish
Which doesn't just make it better
undone jacinth
ur not getting value out of devastate either
open monolith
real men trust their healers completely and don't even use ignore pain in raid 😄
shrewd geode
What conduits should i be running? O.o
open monolith
brb padding my logs
strong forum
What conduits should i be running? O.o
Unnerving Focus + Spear
undone jacinth
just feels like u wanna say the blue pen is red
outer solstice
so for padding, what talents would we be using?
open monolith
all of our conduits are dogshit Storybrook (other than piercing verdict)
outer solstice
Unnerving Focus + Spear
no stalwart?
strong forum
or if you wanna be more defensive, Stalwart Guardian + Unnerving
outer solstice
^^
chilly brook
I mean we could just find the first log of a guy running punish and compare
strong forum
Unnerving is just too good to pass up tbh
lusty marsh
I like devastator, especially since I don't have enough free globals for clap let alone a st filler.
strong forum
it does nothing on tyra unless there are adds around
undone jacinth
and for raid