Prot. Yeah..for shield/weapon/trinks. There's still PLENTY of prot trinkets you want
#protection
fringe marten
regal loom
is there a time for prot to cast WW over revenge, ever?
thorny wing
ye true
fringe marten
Or ..honestly ANY tier of Sire's tank trinket.
one of my vault choices this week was a 223 anima field emitter...was tempting but had to go with ring.
(which is another thing you can get as prot..and not dps? I think..from vault)
oops I'm wrong
you can get it..just looked at dungeon journal loot table
(as fury/arms)
gray furnace
can you reflect ALL of the hand of destruction damage on denathrius, like if you dont go through the mirror
undone jacinth
uhh no way I’d pass on that trinket lol
fringe marten
Dolphin I already have a 200 field emitter, and you can't just be blinded by "omg amazing trinket at high ilevel.." look at the actual benefit.
midnight burrow
223 meat hook in my vault today....
fringe marten
So I had a 200 ring, with mastery/versa.. vs the Heroic sire ring which is 220 has almost 150 haste and mastery, and it had speed on it.
lavish oracle
@regal loom There's no reason to ever cast ww over revenge
fringe marten
Vs.. 200 to 223 field emitter. which is 14 str, and 34 haste ON the proc only. so only when I can stand in it..and it's up
jovial sigil
Hey im pretty new to prot tanking what is the priority on multi target agro? I find myself losing at least 1 from 5-6 or just sacing survivability.
fringe marten
vs getting like 17? stam (meh) and shifting from a bunch of versa, to what equated to 4% permanent haste, and 4% movement speed.
as much as I wanted the trinket, or a couple of the 7 ilevel armor upgrades...that ring was too good to pass up
as far as actual stat growth/stat shift went.
undone jacinth
easier to get a better ring than a trinket u might never replace but whatevs
fringe marten
A lot of trinkets don't scale super great, once you have like a 200'ish of it, a way higher ilevel version isn't that big of an upgrade. the str gain is useful/nice..but often the trigger effects aren't huge.
You think I'm going to get a higher than 220 ring, with super heavily weighted haste, and speed? when is that going to happen?
the trinket upgrade was minor
literally 34 haste on the proc..that's it, and it's only up a portion of the time on any given fight/overall dungeon.
Now, if that would have been a 223 blood spattered scale..it would have been a no brainer.
the gain on the shield per ilevel on that thing is HUGE
But the anima field emitters proc growth wasn't that great, I was caching in my vault for 14 str..literally. and a 2% gain in haste when the proc is up.
Vs 20 ilevels on a ring, which equated to 4% haste, 4% movement speed. (and the stupid maw bonus crap, which is irrelevant)
and a gain in HP.
I learned in BFA not to just think 10/20 ilevel gains on trinkets was massive and worth being excited about. Some are, some aren't.
undone jacinth
I’m not in game but I’m sure there’s a lot of sources of better rings than ur old one
fringe marten
At least I had worthwhile choices to make; which is the entire design of the vault. Instead of opening a box and either being really happy..or disappointed most of the time.
You're right, and Sire denathrius is one of them..and it happened to have the most desirable tertiary stat (IMO)
undone jacinth
least desirable but sure
fringe marten
So it was a choice of "which one of these things is the better upgrade" To gamble "well I'll get a better 220 ring...at SOME point.." Is the same gamble as I'll get as good at trinket upgrade "at some point"
I would much rather speed over avoidance or leech.
I've had a lot of avoidance before, I know what it does..and doesn't do.
undone jacinth
well that’s ur choice but it’s obviously worse
fringe marten
I've had both solid amounts of leech on gear + talents (the leech build in BFA) and know how it functions.
And as a tank; we are permanently dodging mechanics, moving through M+ dungeons, posititioning mobs/bosses/etc. Every time I've had it I've come to value movement speed over the other 2 tertiary stats.
Who here didn't make use of longstrider in BFA once they had a decent helm with it?
Who isn't crawling out of bomb swirls in Plaguefall every time you run it? Yeah you can intervene out...is someone always there in range? or are you having to walk out of the damn swirl often?
undone jacinth
yes wasn’t like gemhide was the most desirable trait or anything lol
fringe marten
Gemhide had defensive value though.
undone jacinth
yes avoidance...
fringe marten
Or in some cases in competed with..? whatever that thing was that gave you a shield when you victory rushed.
and it was a nice little shield.
But the movement was just better, more convenient, more useful in more situations.
undone jacinth
again obviously not true but it’s ok
fringe marten
The other tertiaries have good value too, but I think they are overblown in their actual efficacy. Especially avoidance.
undone jacinth
they improve your survivability, speed does not, pretty simple
fringe marten
Speed absolutely does..you are constantly moving out of mechanics as a tank, you are often slowed..especially in M+, leap or intervene is not always available. you are ALWAYS moving around. If it's not helping you 'survive' it's helping you be a better tank by pulling faster, or getting in position faster.. it has a lot of value.
and I prize that value over a tiny bit of leech that will never help you survive anything meaningful, or kill anything meaningful, does it help? yeah, it adds a tiny bit of passive healing. tiny being the important phrase.
undone jacinth
it’s more than 0 is the thing
anyone doing top level content is gonna be enchanting their cloak with leech or avoidance but you do you
mobility has always been warriors issue
hallow phoenix
It's the bestest. I find I can almost always line it up with demo shout or avatar
You should use the last stand conduit with it and ravager going at the same time
fringe marten
You guys raid as well; or feel youd rather tune your character for M+ via the nightfae cov? Or are there other concerns..like pvp?
hallow phoenix
Night fae also pumper in raid
But I only build my character for m+; I'm not in such a competitive guild to require optimizing for raid
fringe marten
I'm not either; we're supposed to be casual..but covid is allowing people to want to play/raid way too much recently.
But man..the phial has become to useful to me in so many situations, and I was already a fire dwarf so I could cure some things already.
hallow phoenix
I've only encountered one bleed that I actually care about so far
fringe marten
I know the fae ability hit a much larger area, and did similar damage to spear, but it had a knock down component to it as well.
in M+ yeah, but in the raid the phial/racial covers a lot of stuff.
hallow phoenix
I thought phial was nerfed to not remove raid bleeds?
fringe marten
it still removes quite a few of them, it was the dwarven racial that got heavily tuned back
because they added the kyrian phial, and intended it to cure a lot of things. They didn't want the racial and phial being able to cover everything in the raid.
But the dwarf racial still removes a LOT of mechanics in raid, and then the phial does everything the racial will do plus more.
But anyway, as for nightfae cov..are you finding a lot of utility from the soulbind ability, ie the ? furry blink thing
hallow phoenix
I sometimes wish I was a dwarf but then I recall how blizzard removed the dwarf joke trolls had and I just get all sorts of angery
sick sentinel
is our cov best choice always kyrian regardless of boss?
hallow phoenix
Yes it's my instant kiting mechanic, especially against mobs that can't be CCed
fringe marten
I do see the value in that; with kiting being a huge part of any challenging M+ content atm.
hallow phoenix
Also useful on something like Amarth to pick up aggro on all the adds
Other than that it's just meh
fringe marten
? ehh? Yeah but we have heroic throw, leap, charge...between that can collect them fairly easily. It's just getting the mage interrupted and then getting them all on top of the archer.
hallow phoenix
For instance I can leap backwards, then when mobs get close soulshape forward back towards my melee
And since it's a teleport the mobs won't melee me while I blink through them in a place such as SD where it's a tight hallway
novel temple
is the sire trinket that good?
hallow phoenix
There's two mages and I play with an spriest and boomkin who hit each add bigly
Heroic throw usually not the play in that scenario. Doesn't generate rage and I'd have to spam it to get threat
fringe marten
The only other covenant ability I liked during leveling was the nightfae one. I see value in it, i just don't know if it's more value than Kyrian if I raid and M+ and we'll be pushing deeper into mythic this week too, so it's not like I get to easily overgear the content and can just get away with whatever funsy crap, I can go almost all dps now through heroic but I'll have to get defensive again as we prog more mythic.
No it doesn't gen rage but it's about just getting a quick tap of aggro on something so it moves toward you, or it's not attacking someone else.
hallow phoenix
They're both good and serve different purposes
fringe marten
The sire trinket is very very good. My bear cotank got one last night, it's a 15k shield on a 60 second timer.
that's only 2k~ less than the shield the blood spattered scale gives (at 200 ilevel) but on HALF the timer.
fringe marten
what? the trinket or..? you mean covenant choice?
fringe marten
It's awesome for everything.
Defensively the denathrius trinket is WAY better than Bloodscale.
the only thing bloodscale has in utility over it, is the damage hit.
hallow phoenix
Just run both :^)
fringe marten
and that's exactly what I was about to say
torpid granite
if you think bloodsclae is OP wait till you get bloodshart
vocal bison
That bloodscale absorb increases with adds though too
torpid granite
that will literally ruin underwear
vocal bison
I have it at 216, and with 4-5 mobs it goes to a 45k absorb
fringe marten
Right; but that doesn't make up for the fact that the denathrius trinket is simply half the cool down.
undone jacinth
Yes it does lol
torpid granite
quik maffs
vocal bison
it is a good o shit button
undone jacinth
it’s over twice the absorb and does loads of dmg
vocal bison
great for big pulls where you run out of active mitigation or can use it as a sub
fringe marten
And the denathrius trinket has the ? minor utility of being able to heal you if you aren't tanking..IE kiting.
undone jacinth
non existent utility
hallow phoenix
Scale is also good snap threat
undone jacinth
only works if u wasted the trinket
vocal bison
it is a bit apple to orange, I would use both differently
fringe marten
Right; they're both good. But from a consistent defensive stand point the denathrius trinket is better.
undone jacinth
why do u talk in definitives like that
in dungeons ur just objectively wrong
and in many raid fights the same
fringe marten
Right, because in dungeons there's no bosses right? and you only tank them for 1 minute?
undone jacinth
plenty of bosses with adds and any pure ST you will make up for it over the dungeon
fringe marten
You aren't always fighting trash packs. And you will fight plenty of bosses, in dungeons..THIS week, for a lot longer than 1 minute. Meaning you get multiple uses from the sire trinket.
However; if I had to choose only 1, if one trinket had to disappear and you could only use the other. Then the blood spattered scale would be the trinket I'd keep.
it has more utility in more situations due to the damage and scaling.
hallow phoenix
Worth noting shield trinkets lose big value this week
fringe marten
But the sire trinket is still better from a purely defensive stand point. The blood scale is only better when it gets it's scaling from multiple targets.
hallow phoenix
Far less effective when you need them
fringe marten
(not if you can cure necrotic...twice..=)
undone jacinth
ye so the scale can be better making the sire not ‘defensively better’
fringe marten
Again; consider all the content you're going to be doing. The sire trinket is numerically superior, period, without multiple targets engaged.
So against a tyrannical dungeon boss...against a raid boss.
vocal bison
I really like bsc for those first two dos packs and the double hunter pack in hoa, I pop that in rotation with phial and I don’t need to kite if dps is taking longer than it should
fringe marten
You have to consider all the content you're doing; and what you value more. Which is why I said if I HAVE to pick, and can only use 1 trinket and cannot ever have access to the other. Then I'd have to take the bloodscale trinket because it's what you're using for M+ for the part of M+ that's generally most dangerous.
But if you're raiding, and have both..you're going to see way more value from the sire trinket, or if you're fighting bosses you're more worried about than the trash in a given dungeon.
vocal bison
I would agree if only choosing one or the other I’d generally go sire for raiding and scale for M+.
Sire is basically lps 2.0 it seems
fringe marten
Sire is the tank trinket from nyalotha again.
To dolphins point though, the blood scale is honestly too good for the content it comes from...vs it's counterparts from raid content.
vocal bison
I like to think of it as the one M+ tank trinket that’s not garbo and actually worth equipping.
fringe marten
Yeah it's on a longer cooldown so doesn't provide as much shielding 'over time' as the denathrius trinket. But it has the value of doing damage, on TOP of scaling both it's damage and defensive shield with amount of targets hit. Meaning it gains value doing dungeoneering with it, on TOP of what it simply does hitting 1 target.
undone jacinth
the damage is actually a joke
fringe marten
Vs other 'damage' trinkets yes. But it HAS damage.
fringe marten
again, because of the scaling.
vocal bison
In lower content I actually work it in as part of my burst rotation just to see how high I can get it and beat out dps, lol
undone jacinth
it does more dmg than I think any dps trinket I have and it’s 200 ilvl
20 ilvls lower
fringe marten
You're popping it on demand when it's optimal..and gaining both large damage and defense from it.
hallow phoenix
Is decanter good? I tried it as fury and it did poo damage
undone jacinth
it seems to be awful from my use of it
fringe marten
If you look at it from an 'overall dungeon' point of view it may; because you're popping it on demand where it's most optimal.
undone jacinth
does around 4% in dungeons 1% ST
fringe marten
Because again..it's AoE. So it's value is multiplied vs trash, in an overall parse.
fringe marten
^ kinda' what we've been saying the entire time.
hallow phoenix
You know which trinket I hate but still performs? Anima field emitter
Somehow has good uptime even though I move for no good reason all the time
fringe marten
the original discussion; the sire trinket is still better defensively for more situations. But the scale is just MORE desirable and useful overall for more than 1 purpose.
I like the field emitter, it's very solid. Honestly one of the few handful of 'passive' trinkets worth having atm.
The others are the damn world quest trinkets.
tall mural
writing the great American novel on these trinkets tbh...
fringe marten
The 158? Hymnal trinket I got from like the first week of the expac is STILL mad strong.
and then the plaguefall trinket.
fringe marten
It's just delaying my run to taco bell; because after that..it's Torghast time. and I'm not looking forward to it.
Grats zet. You'll dig it if you didn't already have one.
rough egret
my first only 210, but I jsut started to play warr 😄
fringe marten
If you don't already use weak auras, I highly recommend you start..if for no other reason than to have a weak aura to show you when your trinket/s are ready to use.
rough egret
ofc I do :), like im not new in warr, I jsut played bear this expac s ofar
tall mural
it’s one of the best trinkets in the game just scroll up if you want a dissertation
rough egret
im ok 😄
hallow phoenix
Where's intervene
solar crown
Naowh ? ;)
rough egret
yeah 🙂
jagged pier
is it known what item lvl drops in TW ?
158 i think
rough egret
gratz
rough egret
I know the guide says to craft TL on boots, but there are nice boots from 1st boss, is it ok to craft on hands then? 🙂
vestal moat
It Gluttonous spike decent for M+? I have 213 spike, 220 stone legion healrdy, and 200 overwhelming power crystal. thinking of going with spike and heraldry. not using crystal.
spare cobalt
which one is that?
rough egret
stamina trinket
lavish oracle
Spike looks good on paper, worst case scenario you use it, it's bad, you swap it out
vestal moat
It's strrength trink with a damage / healing proc
waxen cradle
So yeah DiD, or Dwarf in general is pretty good this week as a Kyrian. Why you would be anything else no idea, a 2 min necro cleanse and a 3 min necro cleanse
vestal moat
does the kyrian potion remove necrotic
waxen cradle
not bad plus spear if you get in trouble and have no way out and need to run, on top of stuns if you have no way out
yes it does
vestal moat
OP
waxen cradle
Yeah Kyrian Phial and Fireblood/Stoneform
dense umbra
Has anyone done M+ for new affixes ? How is playing with necrotic ?
dense umbra
Also...can I look at MDT / similar map outside of game ? Would like to plan routes
vestal moat
20-25, is like, use a CD territory and think about kiting
dense umbra
Ah okay ty. Can kyrian pot cleanse it?
deft vessel
were gaming boys
Why do you have two damage done windows????
lapis bay
If I have hakkar’s trinket, do I still try to get Sire’s? I feel like having 2 use trinkets isn’t ideal
nova rover
Whats best celestial guidance or lightless force? I mostly do keys
jagged pier
whatever you like
waxen cradle
plus we have Spear to lock down adds if we do not have a cleanse up, plus we have Stormbolt and Shockwave if you run those talents so we definitely have the tools to make Necrotic a joke
nova rover
I feel lightless would help with the packs but any major difference?
deft vessel
one is more AoE, the other more single target, pick your poison
waxen cradle
I like Lightless Force but I always carry around Celestial Guidance of Ascended Vigor if I am feeling cheap for ST
or for raids
I need to get 2 good weapons so I can stop using chants
waxen cradle
if I can get 2/213 or higher weapons with Haste/Vers I am going to just swap weapons based on content
nova rover
I suffered rbgs for the weapon, had not gotten an upgrade from my 184
deft vessel
I haven't touched pvp much this expac so far, not that much time, but I might have to dedicate some time to it soon
😦
waxen cradle
I would never and will never use ST in M+ Lightless feels good in M+ also considered this week trying out the phantom fire pots with Shadowcore Oil for big pulls in M+ but strength pots may still be better
nova rover
I haven't touched pvp much this expac so far, not that much time, but I might ha...
Its rough, I did a few yolo groups
deft vessel
general community opinion has been pretty good from what I've been reading
waxen cradle
seeing as how valuable primary stats are, I doubt there will be a scenario where Phantom Fire/Shadowcore will be out the strength pots
deft vessel
and gearing for PvP is in a much better shape
nova rover
general community opinion has been pretty good from what I've been reading
Its good, but if you get the group that doesnt focus the healer life sucks LOL
waxen cradle
also I know yes its only item level 200 and it means putting up with supremely ignorant people but TWing Ulduar does drop 200 item level gear so it is amazing for gearing alts
something to at least consider
nova rover
huh 200? Might have to suffer that
deft vessel
I have like...5 184 pieces, so ya know, genuinely source of loot for me
BECAUSE FUCK MY LUCK I GUESS
😦
I haven't opened my vault yet this week
so maybe i can replace one of them
waxen cradle
Yes Ulduar TWing this week gives all item level 200 gear if your lucky and it will drop
deft vessel
did they fix the loot for timewalking?
nova rover
I have 2 184s now
waxen cradle
however its all luck as everything is RNG, AND I do not know if there 3 items per boss rule applies to Ulduar or not so there is always that
if any do Ulduar let people know if that rule applies to Ulduar TWing, as the loot is the same item level as normal CNathria I would hardly be surprised if it applied to TWing as well
deft vessel
I wonder how it's tuned difficulty wise compared to normal nathria, probably simpler in general
rough egret
thats good chance on some upgrades
deft vessel
but with how many scaling issues there have been....eeeh
chilly brook
For real though with being able to blow people up rn
I'm like a kid in a candy store
chilly brook
but with how many scaling issues there have been....eeeh
I did some timewalking dungeons they seemed pretty easy tbh
deft vessel
that's fair then, I haven't experienced them yet (reset happened 50 minutes ago here, EU)
dense umbra
What can you get with the TW badges earned ?
waxen cradle
with enough the near useless BoA gear upgrade tokens, I say useless but its still pretty good, novelty items such as pets, a mount, old gear pieces you might like the appearance of, that sort of thing
depends on how much time you want to spend TWing, but over the course of all the time it has been available and between content droughts I got most of the stuff I wanted from it
frigid roost
ilvl 207 chest Mastery-crit or ilvl 200 Haste - Vers?
jagged pier
207
solid gulch
184 to 207 weapon is way better than 184 to 213 gloves, right?
sour ravine
pls help me 😄 wich one should i choose ?
nimble drift
2
spice shadow
184 to 207 weapon is way better than 184 to 213 gloves, right?
Massively
You can sim your vault contents on raidbot but the weapon DPS is a huge upgrade
solid gulch
thanks :)
tired fern
Do u guys use any addon to know which mobs to pull?
I just got into prot because no1 takes arms warrior in 10+ keys and i have no idea what to pull most of the time
used to use mythic dungeon tools but it doesnt work anymore
heavy sail
I’m not sure of one, I don’t personally use any addon for that
Just comes with experience I guess
heavy sail
I probably wouldn’t be the one to talk to, I’m not a huge M+ player admittedly.
@strong forum has the goods but he’s offline
modern gale
Kite, that's the only thing you can do. Inspired makes it more difficult, make sure your group is killing the inspired mobs so you can cc and kite the others when your stacks of necrotic build up
muted pendant
I just watched Sense doing DoS +15 with these week’s affixes and they did that specific pack like it was trash in ardenwald. He didn’t really had to kite just leap away one time, Mindbomb, and the pack is dead.
I love good dps.
dense umbra
Not to discuss M+ tier lists but is there a healer class that 1) Want as highest priority 2) try to avoid having
dense umbra
Always find Shaman a pleasant experience and on flipside disc priests struggle
dense umbra
Hmm. Luck of the draw then
fringe marten
whe? Just got this Queensguard Vigil trinket, at 187? is it's ilevel variable? It looks not good, unless the trigger rate on the retaliation is very high?
frigid roost
is there a haste breakpoint for prot warr?
jagged pier
166%
brisk tide
Does kyrian potion drop necrotic stacks?
ionic fern
Yes
brisk tide
All of them?
frigid roost
ionic fern
Yes
brisk tide
That's pog, thanks
ionic fern
Yes
fathom sluice
Happy Vault Day!
Any thoughts on 220 Slimy Consumptive Organ? Already rolling with a 200 Overwhelming power crystal and 216 Blood Spattered Scale..
tribal whale
Hi all, i have a lot of problem with Mueh'zala(M8+) in middle of the fight became really hard stay alive, i dont know why
graceful yew
Hey guys don’t suppose anyone has a wa for spell reflecting and which casts I can etc!?
tribal whale
Hi all, i have a lot of problem with Mueh'zala(M8+) in middle of the fight becam...
last boss The Other Side
graceful yew
You getting hit by the pools people drop!?
jagged pier
its tyranical, and he has a tank buster, soul somthing i think just save a cd for it
tribal whale
You getting hit by the pools people drop!?
no
tribal whale
Soul shatter, it can only be deflected by spell reflect
i try use spelle reflect
graceful yew
Ah is soul shatter then as they said forgot it’s tyran now
valid zodiac
Thing is that you can use spell reflect, however it won't be up for the next incoming one
But the thing is that sometimes that Soul Shatter wouldn't leave a dot right after the one I reflected
So I don't know if it is a bug or something else is at hand
last yacht
What do you guys think i should pick? I've got a 223 weapon so it would only be a 3 ilvl upgrade. The bracers are 10 ilvl upgrade. The quantum device is good for dps i guess
fathom sluice
I fell like 3 ilvl upgrade for weapon with best stats sounds pretty awesome
sweet summit
yeah id take that weapon there
last yacht
Thanks. Was hoping for a shield but there is always next week
opal escarp
Has there been any discussion about Menace during necrotic or is it still too niche/dead
?
still rock
is prot still bottom of the pile guys? I was tanking some +7s the week of M+ release and it was rough as anything
light quartz
Are the sims on raidbots correct? I says I should be doing almost 3.2k dps on single target, 3 minute fight. It feels impossible with my 203 gear....
remote tusk
@still rock Lower keys are just hell in general compared to higher keys where people know what they are doing. Just my 2 cents. I'm stuck in the same place.
still rock
I mostly pvp and gearing system is great atm i am really reluctant to get into M+ if we aren't relevant
deft vessel
sure, thanks timewalking, i don't need an upgrade for my 5 184 slots
😦
anyway, what would you take, both are okay i guess option 1:
option 2
pants i guess
cus my wall is shoulder slot, so whenever I use that...
naive swan
Hey are you bastion folks taking kleia over pelagos for the third conduit slot just for this week?
deft vessel
I'm not
fringe marten
Was looking at that myself TJ, but you have to realize what you give up by dropping Pelagos..that sick mastery buff + orb extension to it.
sleek radish
What to take?!
fringe marten
But yeah; if it weren't for that..Kleia has some cool stuff going on with her buffs (the shield after being out of combat for a few seconds/etc..plus the extra conduit this week)
spice shadow
What is a good ilvl to comfortably complete an 8? I'm 199 and we did NW yesterday (EU) and got battered so many times on the trash going up to the second boss
fringe marten
But next week, we get to install that..? the conduit that increases Tclap damage after revenge...gun B nice~
naive swan
Was looking at that myself TJ, but you have to realize what you give up by dropp...
Yep cant wait
fringe marten
just finished my 2 torghast runs, plus the story quest with thrall.. was an hour and a half of awfulness. But now I have my rank 1 thunderstompers and will have rank 2's next week. (immediately rushed rank 4 wall..still very happy with that choice.)
late spruce
Would you craft the wall or the thunderlord for prot offspec?
versed bough
m+ or raiding?
versed bough
Thunderlawd they say
late spruce
Kk
spice shadow
I really should read tooltips better, I didn't realise thunderlord reduced the CD for every TC. I thought it was just for one TC for some reason!!!
remote tusk
@sleek radish Definitely the 207 bead if you need it.
cloud wind
saw someone saying theres a website version of mdt, what is that site? would much prefer it to having the ingame map
thick helm
what do people think of General Draven's max renown bonus (10% extra stamina after 4 seconds of standing still)?
will that be good for tanking or is there no situation where you can afford to stand still for 4 seconds outside of combat?
ionic fern
It's lackluster.
The only time extra stamina comes in handy is when you need to avoid one shots in general. 👀
fossil vapor
what to chose guys? weapon are crit mastery, are the trinket wort for plus?
sweet summit
220 weap mate
coral marsh
@fossil vapor how much do you play per day? ^^
jagged pier
220 weap mate
yer i havea 220 1 hander
need that juicy 2h so i can get to 1800 then get like 4 pieces of 220 loot XD
steady spruce
fossil vapor
<@225936259804168203> how much do you play per day? ^^
not much
and guys the best enchant for plus high keys are always the aoe enhant^? or the defensive for more healing work well on 14-15 keys?
dry cairn
not much
at least 2-3 hours per day with long sessions on weekends? If not, how do you organize your time in-game?
fossil vapor
yes this weekend i played soom uch
iron marlin
Hello im Steve im New hear. I have a little problem and can't find an answer.
Legy the Wall all have Sholder but why rar have the legy the wall Cape
rough egret
good choice
iron marlin
ok i go and build my Sholders thanks Zet 🙂 bow
woven kiln
Crit + vers + leech VS crit + haste.
Same ilvl
thoughts?
kindred warren
Haste haste haste
spring wren
Hey guys - hope someone can answer this! Why are high RIO prot warriors using the Signet of Tormented Kings leggo? Is it really better than Thunderlord for m+?
kindred warren
More deeps
woven kiln
haste is great but more stats is usually better than better stats
ionic fern
Hey guys - hope someone can answer this! Why are high RIO prot warriors using th...
Most of high r.io warriors are dps players in raids that tank m+
So they prioritize getting dps legendaries first.
spring wren
Ahh ok - thanks!
woven kiln
anyone know how often this procs?
astral crystal
when it says very high chance, it means it
woven kiln
100% 😄
astral crystal
i have a very high chance trink, probably goes off like 5 times a minute
that's anime field emitter though
not sure how often viscera might proc
woven kiln
I'm gonna go smack a dummy for a few mins
it's about 6 hits per minute
so 3000 HP minute
which is 5.3% of my health, every minute
meh
quaint slate
is threat plates addon useful?
woven kiln
scales up in aoe but seems to have diminishing returns. about twice the procs with 4+ targets
woven kiln
is threat plates addon useful?
You want some addon that colours enemy plates based on aggro, and tells you about what buffs/debuffs they have, what they're casting etc. I personally use "Plater"
pastel sleet
aight some thoughts. with Kleia having 6 rows unlocked (this week) and it being necrotic week. thoughts on this setup?
slate shell
hey boys, does anyone have the charge/intervene macro to kinda make it like it was in bfa?
sweet summit
#showtooltip
/cast [@sinful boltover] Intervene
/cast Charge
slate shell
thnx
indigo flame
how many of you tank m+ but dps as arms in raid?
spice shadow
I do
indigo flame
are you venthyr?
spice shadow
I am, for my sins.
spice shadow
No. I just crafted the Thunderlord.
sick sentinel
You can run signet in m+ just fine @indigo flame ideally tho, yes thunderlords just dont put your main spec leggo behind id say
indigo flame
atm my signet is 225
just thinking if going for 235 is worth or na
or craft thunderlords
sick sentinel
Up to you, do u have another ring to sub in the signet?
indigo flame
Nah not atm
sick sentinel
Then id just upgrade signet tbh
indigo flame
Ok
nocturne marlin
the pros all play the finger legy 😉
indigo flame
^^
sick sentinel
I run the wall in m+ because i just ranked it up first for progression sake
Plus i have really nutty mythic nathria boots
So rip my thunderlords
indigo flame
:d
buoyant pasture
As a warrior alt I just got the 200 ilvl shoulders and blue boots but LFR gave me the wall memory. Rip
buoyant pasture
Do you think it's worth it to grab 190 thunder lords first regardless for mythics?
I should have the ash this week for one legendary
sick sentinel
Id grab TL but end of the day it comes down to preference. In my case i have rank 4 wall cus raid > m+ for me
So my TL are also 190 ilvl
So i just run the wall in keys
But if u value keys over raid id just pump TL
woven kiln
It depends on your goals
sick sentinel
Def better performance in keys
buoyant pasture
Realistically in higher keys I could see valuing sw uptime
woven kiln
are you a raid tank m+ exclusive, or both?
sick sentinel
Dont forget that TL is not bad at all in raid
nocturne marlin
ist 235 the highest tier atm?
sick sentinel
Yes
buoyant pasture
I'm still gearing up so I'm basically on bench for our B team’s raids
As a result I'm just working on mythics
buoyant pasture
I’d like to be able to focus on raiding
sick sentinel
Ok then take the wall to rank 4
buoyant pasture
Oh yeah for sure
sick sentinel
Now dont forget that the common build in m+ is ravager + bolster, but since u are running the wall make sure to swap the bolster to Anger Management
woven kiln
they're both great. there's no bad choice between them. It's hard to determine which is 'best' for m+ imo. everything up to a 13 or so, thunderlord is just better; more DPS, crazy uptime on demo shout. in 15s/16s, I'm glad I have the wall, because the tank busters scare me. For raiding, the wall is probably best
sick sentinel
For even shorter shield wall cd
woven kiln
I run the wall with bolster
the synergy with AM isn't that great
and bolster is a life saver
literally
woven kiln
I can get away without bolster up to a 14, everything higher, I need the SB uptime
sick sentinel
Since i started running wall in keys in 14s+ AM has felt great
Also a lot depends on your healer
flat nymph
How do you guys approach necrotic affix? I feel like I'm getting destroyed even in 12's
woven kiln
by logging in only for raids 😄
sick sentinel
By not running keys
flat nymph
hahahah
spice shadow
So is TL still decent without Unstoppable force and Anger Management?
sick sentinel
Yes
flat nymph
yeah thats what I thought too, i was thinking I was missing something :p
sick sentinel
@spice shadow when i was running TL in keys i still ran ravager bolster
Not UF or AM
spice shadow
I've been running UF and AM (without TL as only just got it) but I felt like i was getting pasted even in a 7 NW. Does Rav help with the IP and SB uptime?
I offspec prot btw as main arms in raids
sick sentinel
Rav helps a lot with rage generation
woven kiln
yeah the UF + AM choice with TL is a bit of a trap. Looks great, then you realise TL cd reduction is called to 4.5 secs, and you're already casting thunderclap 3-4 times in it's window without AM and UF.
sick sentinel
UF is kinda dead
woven kiln
I don't think there's any situation to run UF right now
spice shadow
It is the way.
sick sentinel
I run AM cus i like my 40 sec cd shield wall
spice shadow
Ok, I prefer the look of Ravager anyway. I haven't tanked nearly enough keys this season so only went with what i saw on wowhead and the rationale seemed reasonable but extra rage from ravager makes way more sense.
undone jacinth
does wowhead say UF is better
spice shadow
It has an offensive build and a defensive build. Offensive is UF (i assume due to avatar and TC damag)
wheat sleet
is anima field emitter any good?
astral crystal
yes
jagged pier
It has an offensive build and a defensive build. Offensive is UF (i assume due t...
its listed as offensive but does less damage
lofty nexus
last night we were progressing on H Council. S>N>F. Stav was dead, and I was actively tanking Nik. Add spawned and I taunted him and he instantly hit me for 59k. SB wasn't up, I thought i had time. Question is - is there a debuff combo that one-shot me, or did the add simply hit that hard and needs SB up?
jagged pier
did he ripotse you?
lofty nexus
he did
jagged pier
cause u need SB up for thoughs
well it deals a tone of damage if u dont block it
or defensive it
lofty nexus
it wasn't Nik that killed me. it was the add's 59k oneshot
appeared to be simple melee from logs
undone jacinth
log?
cyan shore
Guys if you could craft 1 tanking legendary only, would you craft the thunder clap or the shield slam one?
jagged pier
I dunno i kill them differently never seen the add, but an add hiting for that much could have hit you in the back
jagged pier
Guys if you could craft 1 tanking legendary only, would you craft the thunder cl...
I would craft the wall, but its a preference choice
cyan shore
I doubt I'd ever end up tanking the raid though
cyan shore
How's your damage output in keys?
jagged pier
3k+
cyan shore
I see most of the topwarriors on the leaderboards are using either thunderclap or signet
jagged pier
well signet are dps's tanking
ionic fern
Use which ever one you want.
Neither of them will stop you from pushing keys.
Some people like The Wall more, i prefer Thunderlords.
cyan shore
Well I'll never push keys as a tank, I'll just offtank most likely, never too high
I already have 2 legendaries to upgrade, my signet and unhinged
I wanna craft a 190 one for tanking
spice shadow
I already have 2 legendaries to upgrade, my signet and unhinged
Slightly off topic as this is more arms related but will you be upgrading it to 235 with how much it costs currently?
cyan shore
Slightly off topic as this is more arms related but will you be upgrading it to ...
Most probably not, the DPS increase isn't worth it
spice shadow
Yeah I looked and it was a 45 or something DPS gain. Didn't seem worth it to me when I could probably just get better at the game.
cyan shore
The DPS difference between the 190 and the 235 is 80ish
astral orbit
Using the Anima Field emitter atm as a prot tank with ilvl 184
Is [Sinful Gladiator's Insignia of Alacrity] better to use? 213 Ilvl with haste as its stat and a chance to get your primary stat when using abilites
Anima field emitter is from Spires of Acsension
Both are trinkets
undone jacinth
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BgkXCDLd8yPY2jnQ/#fight=last&type=deaths
The mob has massive variance on its melee swing (I’m talking like 30k to 130k variance) and you mitigated a particularly low amount of it... you also kept the add alive for literally 2 minutes which is totally ludicrous
woven kiln
BIS
strong forum
for arms maybe
astral orbit
Anyone?
woven kiln
I think I stole your luck
astral orbit
For my question?
woven kiln
210 ilvl gang 😄
astral orbit
Only because of the ilvl?
strong forum
well theyre both good trinkets
i was comparing my 184 vs 184
and not sure
but 184 vs 210
is pretty deadset
wait
the 210 is crit right
astral orbit
No 213 is haste
astral orbit
Alright then, thanks
lofty nexus
The mob has massive variance on its melee swing (I’m talking like 30k to 130k va...
thx
undone jacinth
your co tank actually got hit for like 70k once lol
light quartz
What would you guys choose? Keep in mind that the boots are the same that I have equipped, the ring and the chest are missing haste. My trinket combo atm is Darkmoon indomitable + Blood-Spattered and my my shield is a 203 Haste/Crit.
tardy parcel
what rings are you using now?
sweet summit
id take the chest, and replace indom trinket asap
light quartz
My rings are: 200 Ardent Sunstar Signed (low crit/high versa) and 200 Ritualist's Treasured Ring (low crit/high haste)
crisp dragon
Isnt Kleia a better soulbind this week?
sweet summit
defensively yeah since 2 endurance
crisp dragon
I mean, in every way, no?
Well, it has 1 endurance, 1 potency and 1 finesse whereas pelagos has 1 endurance and 1 potency
Not to talk about the passive conduits being much better
light quartz
Thanks guys, went with the what @sweet summit said. 🙂
fickle prawn
I'm seeing on raider.io that pretty much every single prot warrior is running Signet of Tormented kings for keys. Is it really better than using The Wall?
crisp dragon
High level or low level keys?
fickle prawn
High
sweet summit
probably cos they main arms for raid so thats the lego they have
fickle prawn
Well that was my guess but it's like 20/20 characters that I've checked
crisp dragon
Interesting, I thought Thunderlord would have a lot more usage, I do think its nice DPS boost, but definitely not something they owuld use for tanking high keys
sweet summit
@crisp dragon id imagine so yeah
fickle prawn
so it's hard for me to imagine that ALL of them are that situation
crisp dragon
Honestly, running 1 or 2 Warriors might be worth it in BGs with the Conduit and PVP talent for Rallying cry, I go from 33k hp to 48k in Arms
I think it might be really good for rage, I think if u spec into ravager it casts ravager instead of Bladestorm, Im unsure though
fickle prawn
It does
crisp dragon
Then every Avatar instead of 30 rage, it becomes like 70+
fickle prawn
Which I guess is still rage
crisp dragon
Which is quite convenient
Especially for dungeons where 1 sec of shield block downtime means you'll be dead
I might get that myself for dungeons since I might want to play some arms as well
undone jacinth
it’s good because u can go in to a pack and do a ridiculous amount of dmg then kite
plus having more rage for defensives
spice shadow
Do many of you use Punish for M+
undone jacinth
pretty straight forward
sturdy sable
Do many of you use Punish for M+
Devastator for more shield slams
undone jacinth
punish is good on tyrannical
spice shadow
Ok, gotta get used to that playstyle. I hate not having something to press for a couple of GCDs
but i just used ravager and it seems a lot more active
so could be fine using devestator now
coral kestrel
is there any kind of macro/addon that will properly use hstone/phail/health pot depending on cd? I know there is one that will do a sequence but it resets on combat, trying to find a way to do it depending on sequence and cd
strong forum
so it's hard for me to imagine that ALL of them are that situation
most gear warriors in the game currently are all mythic raiders
and most of them are arms
signet doesnt work properly for prot
theyre just dps mains or incredibly badly informed
same as alot of them are venthyr aswell
which is a dead giveaway that theyre arms mains
there is 0 defensive benefit and very little offensive benefit of playing signet
coral kestrel
the randomness of it is especially damaging defensively
strong forum
well it also only works with Avatar.
so you get bladestorm/recklesness for 3seconds once every 1.5min
BIG WHOOP
its just bad
coral kestrel
yeah and you are left fairly defenseless when you are bladestorming
strong forum
well you can block and parry during it
coral kestrel
and cast defensives
strong forum
but you just dont generate rage for 4 seconds
coral kestrel
yeah
I use signet when I am doing m0 just for fun, but I don't like it, even when playing arms. I am kyrian
paper coral
The wow subreddit just looks at prot like a mentally challenged relative. Holy shit
wheat sleet
taking reddit seriously
paper coral
taking reddit seriously
.. do you play VR chat?
strong forum
Reddit is just infested with Meta chasing brainlets
wheat sleet
no
strong forum
its just as bad as listening to public wow forum for opinions
paper coral
Oh. cause there's a Mute with the same name that I see on streams sometimes. I think she plays wow with the guys.
strong forum
theyre not based on facts but emotional opinions
paper coral
Nomeratur, i'm more annoyed with the kite-heavy aspect of tanking keys, tbh. If there was a tank that could reliably NOT kite, i would be all over it.
Otherwise I would just play my metacuck VDH and be happy.
coral kestrel
the kiting is way worse this week too
birds in DOS are basically impossible this week i swear
paper coral
Shyeah.
tender phoenix
is it better to use Pelagos or Kleia in raids?
sonic tangle
The birds suck in general. If I didn't need the trinkets from there so bad I'd never step foot in DOS
undone jacinth
but you just dont generate rage for 4 seconds
you get ravager so you generate a lot of rage
coral kestrel
its ok as long as the group focuses the matriarch
fierce tendon
is it better to use Pelagos or Kleia in raids?
unlocked the third conduit for Kleia if ur caught up
coral kestrel
cause the rest can be kited
paper coral
Is it worth timing ravager and spear to keep them in the ravager for max rage?
undone jacinth
its pretty easy to keep mobs in ravager
but you use them both on open for dmg anyway
strong forum
you get ravager so you generate a lot of rage
pretty sure you dont get ravager
that being said, i dont have it
undone jacinth
u do
strong forum
and never will until its fixed
paper coral
You don't run ravager? tf?
obsidian aurora
For the thunderlord legendary, is boots better than the gloves ? Reason I'm asking is i just got 216 boots from the vault and my gloves are only 184, should I just slot my legendary in my lowest ilvl?
strong forum
im not running Signet.
undone jacinth
well ppl are using it pretty successfully to a high level so its clearly not useless
sweet summit
you dont get ravager with signet no
strong forum
well ppl are using it pretty successfully to a high level so its clearly not use...
....
Signet of Tormented Kings
The reason as to why you see so many "top warriors" on raider.io is they're with a 90% chance an mythic geared arms warrior thats just doing their weekly keys as prot. There is little competition for Protection Warrior on high keys so they show up the most as everybody is busy gearing and raiding.
They're also highly likely to play Venthyr instead of Kyrian/Nightfae.
It does not work with Prot Ravager as proc as it is a different Spell ID as it doesn't replace Bladestorm for us (most likely an design oversight).
It only works with Avatar, which you only get once every 1.5min since you don't play Anger Management in high keys. So it provides very little offensive and defensive benefit.
strong forum
ye hes just badly informed
you go ahead and use Signet, i aint stopping you
but its just stupid to do so 🙂
undone jacinth
doesnt matter if ur badly informed, if ur running keys as high as anyone else then right now its clearly fine
but nice one optimising ur 15s
strong forum
so
whats the point of optimising ever
you can get r1 without any covenant and legendary currently
cuz it wont make or break anything
but its still not recommended to do so
undone jacinth
point is there is nobody above him, so saying that ur well informed and he isn't is dumb af
torn gulch
is someone actually saying that signet is a good lego for prot?
undone jacinth
because there is literally no way of informing urself of anything above that level
torn gulch
holy moly
undone jacinth
until someone is out there doing it
undone jacinth
u can say things seem better/worse
strong forum
LMAO
mellow patio
Tons
undone jacinth
I'm not making an argument its better, I'm saying making blanket statements about something being bad with no exp at that level is not smart
obsidian aurora
Signet is so bad lol
strong forum
are you seriously saying that because hes doing 18s, hes clearly in the right about playing a terrible legendary?
mellow patio
This is truly a brain dead argument
undone jacinth
okay
well maybe lets get some more data when ppl that have real awesome legos
start pushing
strong forum
you dont need any data
undone jacinth
and we see if the damage is more valuable than the survive
torn gulch
how much extra rage you get?
undone jacinth
okay?
strong forum
it offers like 0.3% damage increase for prot
like almost NOTHING
how do you not understand that
undone jacinth
for every 2 ravagers u get 3
torn gulch
3s of extra rage every 1.5 min
compact stump
yall wild
burnt cove
2 people walk into a bar, and intentionally ignore each other’s points in order to keep arguing
strong forum
it doesnt proc off of using ravager Dolphin
obsidian gate
is anger management viable for mythics with wall?
strong forum
for lower keys yes
undone jacinth
i didnt say it procs off using ravager
strong forum
in higher keys its fine if you have really good dps
like until 15s its fine to play if your group plays well
after that might get a little dicey
obsidian aurora
Should you slot a legendary into a lower ilvl piece of gear?
compact stump
If you want to copy the guy on the leaderboards, do it. Ultimately, and this is a prime example of it, you can almost do whatever the fuck you want and still be viable.
obsidian aurora
If I have 216 boots and 184 gloves for example
obsidian aurora
Boots and gloves pretty much have no difference in stats right?
Okay great! Thanks!
jaunty tiger
Guys what do you think about vent for protection?
strong forum
pretty bad in m+
mellow patio
Warrior legendaries are very underwhelming tbh
strong forum
good in raid
jaunty tiger
We were OP in bfa so this is our fate
torn gulch
yep
torn gulch
it';s time for another tank to grace the top spot
mellow patio
Strong in raid for one whole tier
strong forum
we were still considered weak for raiding 🙃
strong forum
even in the raid where we were the strongest
obsidian aurora
I still don't think warriors are bad this expac, but I didn't really play the last one either so who knows
jade axle
strong forum
remember legion?
jaunty tiger
LOL
sterile moss
So... how are we dropping necrotic stacks off tyrannical bosses?
fierce tendon
Kyrian flask 
mellow patio
Most bosses have enough downtime to drop
sterile moss
Night Fae here 😛
mellow patio
If you can’t drop stacks there is a low chance you will have enough stacks to be super relevant
torn gulch
there are some bosses where dropping stacks is a challenge
sterile moss
You think? What about Amarth and other bosses with adds?
torn gulch
gorechop is one
mellow patio
I dropped stacks just fine with gorechop
fierce tendon
gorechop you can drop by kiting after he does big aoe no?
just gotta position well
sterile moss
on gorechop you cant tank adds
i.e. just don't take aggro?
strong forum
ye
wintry jetty
y
sterile moss
that's a good idea
muted pendant
any recommendation for a WA for spell reflect (what spell)?
fierce tendon
think there's one in there for prot
I've just grown accustomed to use it on any non-volley interruptible cast
inner harbor
Was prot war m+ representation as low in BFA s1 as it is now? 5% at 10+ and 2.7% in 15+
strong forum
it was worse
inner harbor
Nice, so just keep chugging away til scaling catches up I guess
strong forum
pretty much
S1 values of BFA are inflated because 8.1 was within season 1
but early S1 BFA
there were barely any pwars aswell
inner harbor
It feels like shit playing some of these dungeons atm
strong forum
when i quit pushing i was rank 16 with 1.7k aka pushing 17s in s1
and bdks were 2.1k
inner harbor
57% VDH at 15+ lmaooo
inner harbor
Fiery brand smh
strong forum
everybody is omega gearing rn
nobody is pushing
im currently writing pins on a notepad explaining a few things
rough egret
with TL, is it better to do m+ with UF+AM than Rav+Bolster for more claps ?
strong forum
no
inner harbor
Nice, will look for those pins. Love the class, hate getting deleted by spells
strong forum
Unstoppable Force
This Talent, despite having obvious synergy with Thunderlord and Anger Management, is not a good pick anywhere.
It loses in rage generation and damage compared to Ravager in M+.
Since you don't play Anger Management in high keys since its a huge survivability loss, you automatically lose any synergy to play Unstoppable Force as it relies on high Avatar uptime.
It can be played if you so desire paired with Anger Management, but it is weaker than Into the Fray in raid and Ravager in m+.
paper coral
Nom, are these from that notes you're talking about or somewhere else?
strong forum
ye its still in the works
paper coral
Well get it out faster god dammit. 😛
rough egret
so I will stick with rav... as I did before I craft lego 🙂
paper coral
Wall is the lego we shoiuld be using, yeah?
paper coral
Nom, honest question, do you expect the perception of warrior to change positively as we gear up and scale?
strong forum
yes
paper coral
The important parts are haste for block uptime and what else?
strong forum
rage gen = dmg
rage gen = defensive gain
and SB CD is too high to say haste loses value
amber herald
Now I don't mean to gloat or anything
mellow patio
Red team rules
paper coral
So there's a point you can see in the forseeable future (I.E. obtainable by casual shlubs eventually) in which warrior stops gettnig shit on by idiots?
paper coral
Yeah, I was playing a druid fpr awhile because they (and i've heard elsewhere) that eventaully VDH will hit a wall that druid will be able to climb, but i'm just not sure about the playstyle. I was doing M0s on him and he was tanky enough but there was no.. I dunno... flash.
mellow patio
There is not going to be a wall that 99.99% of the player base will hit
paper coral
This is also true.
amber herald
yeah guardians pretty boring rotation wise, nice utility though
mellow patio
Like sure in WF keys you might see a wall
amber herald
I have venthyr on my druid and it's a little more fun just because you get to top the metre every 3minutes
mellow patio
Bro the Chad venthyr bear
amber herald
not playing it this week tho
mellow patio
I love to see that
amber herald
Yeah I have two tanks with kyrian and I just couldn't be bothered with a third
mellow patio
Bearserk + UFR is immortality
paper coral
I'm liking convoke, but either i'm bad (possible) or I'm bad at bear (also possible) or bear just isn't for me, but I was doing Torghast on him at like 175-180ilvl and just hitting a wall at layer 5 unles i practically used convoke on every pull.
which is not something I ran into with other tanks.
paper coral
I noticed that. its aimed at being able to switch to owlkin and dropping bombs.
and that just.. doesn't work.
bearvoke is decent, but not best.
mellow patio
Exactly owl weave in raid and lay 
amber herald
venthyr guardian is fun, but there's still no real flash
you just macro it with berserk/incarn
paper coral
I like warrior's flash. I like DH's flash.
Paladins have a shitload of flash but their rotation is kind of set in stone. I feel like i'm at work.
sick sentinel
what is flash
paper coral
Kind of hard to describe. its the feel you get when playing it.
sick sentinel
oh okay gotcha
amber herald
interesting
sick sentinel
tanking seems no flash
paper coral
Like shockwaving a group. is BOOM, and then dropping a ravager and a spear on it.
Or for paladin, kyrian toll+avenger wings is BOOM
amber herald
tanking is probably the least flashy out of all the role yeah
paper coral
Ye
sick sentinel
VDH kyrian is cool cause u can beat DPS on charts for some packs
paper coral
I like my VDH. he's fun. But i hate being a meta cuck.
kindred warren
Lol
quick pecan
What? Tanking is what makes you an Alpha swimming in a sea of Betas.
paper coral
and i don't like the Hokey Pokey playstyle
mellow patio
People are way over blowing how good vdh is tbh
kindred warren
Meta since legion
amber herald
you can beat dps with warrior too, we're actually decent at aoe trash dps
I know because I always talk shit to the dps when I beat them
quick pecan
You leap into a pack that 1 shots any other character in your group (mythic+). You destroy everyone and dash into the next group without thinking because you know you’re the MVP
warm plinth
Oh boy, @mellow patio being elitist in here again smfh 😉
tired cove
any of you nerds use gluttionus spike for tanking m+ ?
silent fog
Hello, i'm mostly tanking m+ and i've been reading the resources-faq channel and wowhead/icyveins guide about legendaries so i crafted the boots with thunderlords.
But i was looking at some of the top war prot and some of them are using the ring with signed of tormented kings
jagged pier
signet is okay for us, but alot of thoghs top warrior are dps mains i believe
lavish oracle
I would probably use gluttonous spike if I could get it to drop
at least to see if it's good
silent fog
yeah that's what i was reading a bit further from nomeratur
tired cove
I would probably use gluttonous spike if I could get it to drop
i used it once but i forgot to check details after the dungeon
lucid geyser
I'm an EU-boy opening his vault just now, is Decanter of Anima Charged Winds any good?
strong forum
its very good dps in m+
plucky wave
I gotta say after doin warrior tanking for a bit and trying out bear
strong forum
but you should focus on getting mainstat pieces first
dark fog
how does execute spend rage, does it always use the most it can up to 40? or is there a situation where it uses less
dark fog
ok thx
lucid geyser
but you should focus on getting mainstat pieces first
should I swap it our for a 171 field emitter? 213 Spike seems too good to drop.
lavish oracle
I mean, even just leveling a bear, atm, I get up to 8 stacks of ironfur pretty easy
during convoke and incarn, anyways
strong forum
should I swap it our for a 171 field emitter? 213 Spike seems too good to drop.
idk bout spike, emitter is good defensively
i would prolly run emitter + decanter
since spike isnt alot of dmg is it
lavish oracle
seems like it could be a lot of damage
dark fog
my prot warrior is my first char, im leveling through shadowlands and I'm not finding this class very good. its feels very all over the place,
lucid geyser
1,5 to 2% for a whole m+, I think
plucky wave
raid bear also just doesn't take damage if you have convoke
convoke is legitimately underrated for survivability
it's nuts
safe kelp
hey what is the stat priority? versatility or crit?
lavish oracle
I wanted to offspec balance and resto so I figured convoke'd be sick
and it is
ilvl >> haste > all other stats, more or less
It's probably vers >= crit > mastery for purely survivability
modern brook
my prot warrior is my first char, im leveling through shadowlands and I'm not fi...
Use the shield more
modern brook
hey what is the stat priority? versatility or crit?
Ilvl
dark fog
i guess my question is are people enjoying prot warrior or is it just me
lavish oracle
I'm enjoying it
if you're trying to play it like BFA prot warrior, though, you're going to have a bad time
dark fog
na i just started playing a week ago
modern brook
This channel is probably going to be pretty biased
But prot warrior is one of the only tanks that will actively punish you for playing incorrectly
And more than likely that's what you're experiencing
lavish oracle
It's simultaneously like one of the most intuitive tanks and one of the least forgiving, in my experience
Bears have a similar playstyle but have more ways to manage their own health bar
amber herald
could be your haste too honestly, I levelled a hunter thinking this was the worst class in the entire game, and then I checked my stats and I had 1% haste...
lavish oracle
yeah, leveling characters always feels a bit weird, they're not always designed feeling like complete classes while leveling
though, they've gotten a lot better than they used to be
tired cove
so has bear you just spam 1 button ?
never played a druid in my life never will just wondering
amber herald
for mitigation? pretty much
tired cove
ahh
lavish oracle
Eeeeh, not really
but it's a little more straightforward in it's decision making than warrior
tired cove
gonna try glutt+canter for keys right now should be poggies or i might cry for my mommy
vestal moat
Just timed a 12 SD a spike was 5% damage.
lavish oracle
Oh, damn, nice
vestal moat
Healing was non existent though.
lavish oracle
that's a decent chunk
I mean at 5% damage, any amount of healing just seems like a cherry on top
dark fog
my problem is that im always conflicted between using a shield slam proc, or using revenge. Like I will get procs so often that if I just use them, I get max rage which feels terrible, and if I don't use them then I lose out on a lot of rage. Like it happens often where I have max rage and a shield slam proc, what am I supposed to do?
woven torrent
is there a big big difference between running m+ with venthyr instead of kyrian/fae?
i wanna play fury and prot warrior
but i like venthyr way more on fury
lavish oracle
um, it just feels worse
ionic fern
Is there a big difference? Yes.
Will it hinder you? No, not at current levels.
lavish oracle
@dark fog Dump rage somehow, with either revenge, Shield Block, or IP, use the shield slam proc after
woven torrent
so i will probably be able to run +10s at one point just as good?
ionic fern
Yep.
woven torrent
alright
lavish oracle
Yeah, you'll be fine for 10s
Spear feeling real nice during necrotic week, though
and Phial
my lord, Phial is good this week
woven torrent
i like spear bind thing a lot
amber herald
I've simmed them and it's like a 30dps difference, which one for mythic+?
woven torrent
but it just doesn't feel fluid on dps
amber herald
aight
lavish oracle
though I'll note
Anima field requires you to stand in a ground effect
to get the same dps
steady aspen
Made grouop for weekly NW myth 0 an took 3 mages for pewpew. Avg ilvl 184. They did overall dps 0.9, 1,1 and 1,5k and no clue about bosses. Took forever...
lavish oracle
yikes
dark fog
on single target should I use thunderclap for the 5 rage?
sweet summit
yes ofc
spare oracle
so tired of people saying "oh gearing prot? bad idea" -.- prot cant be that bad if i am succesfully tanking heroic nath right? lol
spare oracle
so i have a question on my wall
i was going of a guide somewhere when i was starting out and i have haste and crit on it, should i remake them with haste vers?
ionic fern
Haste/Crit can still be played in m+.
It's roughly Haste>Vers>=Crit>Mastery
Vers is more consistent DR while Crit is more RNG.
And Vers obviously works against magic damage etc as well while Crit doesn't.
spare oracle
m+ i should prob make thunder though right?