fucking 3 leggo andy here
#protection
strong forum
torn gulch
arms lego as well?
shrewd bronze
I just got my signet to 235
torn gulch
apart from wall and TD?
shrewd bronze
Crafting 190 TL for m+
amber herald
Is signet likely to be fixed for prot?
dense umbra
Sorry what level does PVP give from vault ?
So I need arena team to get high lvl loot
Do*?
shrewd bronze
Is signet likely to be fixed for prot?
No one knows, blizzard didn't say a thing
amber herald
🙁
sweet summit
amber herald
uneven mason
Y U do that
warm plinth
@strong forum you ok man?
night wadi
Oh shit we can do Ulduar
fallow mortar
for necrotic, is the plan to just go in, grab aggro, and then run/kite?
warm plinth
No. Facetank until you feel unsafe and then kite to reset
warm plinth
I don't kite for necrotic unless I'm actually losing health
spark mortar
Hey all - question, got an option for either the Normal Nathrian Shield Token or Macabre Sheet Music (would replace a blue trinket 170s). Anyone using the dance music?
warm plinth
How big of an ilevel upgrade is the shield, and are you likely to get a better one any time soon?
chilly brook
Y U do that
I hate the fact the chest did that to me
spark mortar
3 ilvl for the Shield, I have a 197.
chilly brook
I got a 220 scale last week smh
sweet summit
warm plinth
Idk I guess it depends on how froggy you're feeling about the trinket. I tend to steer clear of items that make me move for my shit, especially as a tank
spark mortar
Yeah, I'm not usually a big fan of having to move much as a tank either.
warm plinth
Can't go wrong with a shield upgrade, even a small one
sick sentinel
what do iget
night wadi
My god Ulduar has a lot of weapons and shields
warm plinth
Those are some yikes choices lol
sick sentinel
other choice is boots but thats my lego slot
warm plinth
I'd definitely take the quantum device out of those two though
hallow phoenix
quantum device ❤️
chilly brook
Definitely quantum
harsh garnet
Does anyone know if Misshapen mirror legendary reflects a spell on you and the other person it applies to or if its ONLY one reflect and the effect ends on first person to reflect ?
exotic pewter
Quatum its great for dmg
strong forum
Does anyone know if Misshapen mirror legendary reflects a spell on you and the o...
It's 2 seperate reflects
warm plinth
I would imagine it's two separate spell reflect buffs
harsh garnet
Nice so in dungeons it would actually reflect 2 dots n stuff
sick sentinel
1800 in pvp is 220 ilvl right?
hallow phoenix
si
sick sentinel
Ty
warm plinth
Nice so in dungeons it would actually reflect 2 dots n stuff
Yes
agile holly
hi everyone, arms war here that is switching to prot via guild request. Is necrolord the chosen prot covenant?
exotic pewter
necrolord sucks for warrior in general.... necrolord here tellying you from first hand lmao
not planing to change, tho, I love their ambience/lore/cosmetics so much
undone jacinth
I will go necrolord as soon as they reduce the cd to 2min
exotic pewter
If your not planning in going for hardcore/competitive raiding or +20 keys, I dont think that your covenant choice would really impact your gameplay too much, as knowing how to play your class does
dire vale
do i have to go TL for m+ or is signet fine? like dmg wise
exotic pewter
knowdlege > gear > covenant.... at least, thats my opinion, from my mediocre tanking pov
undone jacinth
do i have to go TL for m+ or is signet fine? like dmg wise
signets fine
uneven mason
hi everyone, arms war here that is switching to prot via guild request. Is necro...
Oh god why would anyone ever think Necrolord for anything for warrior ><
hallow phoenix
flavor
spark mortar
You want Kyrian my dude. Or Fae.
exotic pewter
Oh god why would anyone ever think Necrolord for anything for warrior ><
Those sweet sweet cosmetics
spark mortar
So for M+ - have folks noticed your key is usually the same as the highest you cleared? Did Blizz change something?
undone jacinth
you get a key 1 level below ur highest key cleared each week
exotic pewter
Skills, talents and conduits last a few patchs.... transmog and mounts last forever, my son.
valid zodiac
I'm Night Fae and I can say that they are also pretty damn good for prot.
spark mortar
You would think that Dolphin, but I have multiple folks in Guild that have same level keys. I was expecting one level down personally.
uneven mason
they give you same key
nimble drift
Alright so great vault priority
uneven mason
afaik now
nimble drift
What are we prioritizing. For me personally, I just go for whatever is the largest ilvl upgrade
undone jacinth
shield -> weapon -> trinket if its a scale -> ilvl imo
exotic pewter
if its lower than that I get picky, focusing haste/versa
yeah yeah, thats true, rings and necks are stats always
twin hazel
think it depends on the pieces available
like a chest vs belt
chest small ilvl upgrade will be better then a certain waist higher ilvl upgrade
night wadi
Anyone gonna be running ulduar this week?
uneven mason
I will, but at work
infact I'll probably lead one when I get home
if the ilvl is for sure fixed.
undone jacinth
its not the size of the upgrade really its more about the overall ilvl
if u have a 220 chest and get a 226 chest, but u have 184 boots and get 223 boots, its still better to take chest
because theres a lot of ways to upgrade those boots
whereas once u get 226, ur done
twin hazel
well its not like you have to choose your vault day one either
try and get those upgrades and come back later
I think thats whats great about vault. Since you have multiple choices you can choose the best time to pick one up
if you really wanted to min max it at the end of the week is the best
undone jacinth
ive never had enough good options to where thats a thing
I see 30 ilvl upgrade trinket, I click
twin hazel
yah if its a bunch of small upgrades its a hard choice that can wait
chilly brook
Eh
uneven mason
going to clear ulduar before I pick my chest
sick sentinel
Should the last trash two minibosses be fought at the same time
uneven mason
👏
sick sentinel
In spires of ascn
uneven mason
altho thats only 200ilvl righ?
chilly brook
223 boots are far more valuable than a 6 ilvl upgrade on chest if you're running 184 boots
Tbh
agile holly
thanks guys so i’m venthyr don’t really want to change but I am in a mythic raiding guild so it’s not a gamechanger which covenant u r?
sick sentinel
So might as well kill them simultaneously
chilly brook
@hallow phoenix think lustinf the 3rd boss in Spires is the play this week?
undone jacinth
its just not realistic to kill them at the same time on a high key
agile holly
late responses here im at work sneaking this in
undone jacinth
they do too much
undone jacinth
ye
sick sentinel
Ah
chilly brook
So really not a good idea
Just pull one at a time and lust the last one on fortified weeks
sick sentinel
Btw I can't see those black bolts, they're really visible on YouTube guides
undone jacinth
think its particle density
sick sentinel
But they don't have the glow above them for me, how do I turn that on
Ah kk thanks
steady aspen
So nuke inspiring mob down asap or cc?
steady aspen
Yeah im EU so tomorrow...
undone jacinth
im eu also
i just bought death stranding
wont be playing m+ this week
actual tank hell
steady aspen
Im running so low Keys that aint problem 🤣
undone jacinth
at least DH have the mobility to be able to kite non-cc'd adds, finally a week where they get to shine
uneven mason
time to craft that strategem
steady aspen
Leaper time
sick sentinel
This is the first 'strand-type' week for m+
undone jacinth
if it was called quantum leaper I would have it already
sick sentinel
Very excited
undone jacinth
strand type?
uneven mason
Why do you think the origina lego was called "Timeless Stratagem" They were watching how much tanks were kiting in M+
sick sentinel
I bet druids can still facetank everything this week
undone jacinth
druid still needs healing unfortunately
and is more awkward to drop necrotic stacks
unless they didnt fix the thrash legendary yet
nimble drift
So apparently lots of arms trinkets from raid are super strong. Like the ones from the last 2 bosses. Same with trinkets from dungeons, like plaguefall. SHould I open my vault as arms to hopefully get one of these?
twin hazel
id say that depends how your other slots are doing
nimble drift
Almost all 200ilvl, sitting at like 22% haste 9% vers unbuffed.
Only my 2 rings and helm are under 200
and ima get one of those with conquest this week
undone jacinth
what trinkets do u have
twin hazel
well whats gonna hurt more seeing a bunch of 2h's in your vault or seeing an arms piece running those dungeons as Arms loot
undone jacinth
i still havent seen logs of spike but I'd assume you should just look to get any higher ilvl trinket
don't think any of the same ilvl are gonna be big for u
the trinkets from sire/generals arent anything special
twin hazel
id say if you dont need prot drops from those dungeons just run arms in them
nimble drift
thats what ive been doing
OOOOOOOO
I GOT A 216 ANIMA FIELD EMITTER
hmmm that'd replace my 197 anima field emitter, its also the highest ilvl thing in my vault
undone jacinth
well there you go
nimble drift
psure anima field emitter is pretty high up there
twin hazel
list or soething
undone jacinth
- scale 2. everything
twin hazel
I also have a spike like you
frigid roost
is it worth going Kleia tomorrow when you get the 3 conduit slot unlocked? or is pelagos just way better?
undone jacinth
like I said
twin hazel
and presence
valid zodiac
I don't know how was it in BFA, but from what I remember Necrotic wasn't an issue for me in Legion at all because Shield Block made me have so little stacks at prot warrior
twin hazel
you would still get stacks from blocking
nimble drift
Like I know the pulls and do my shit in time, but people either complain I'm too slow or I do a larger pull and theres not enough kicks/cc going out to make it bearable.
I feel like if I changed my playstyle or saw another warrior tank at my level I'd see my issue
undone jacinth
m+ does feel more rough this expac and has worse rewards up front
still the most fun content imo tho
sick sentinel
Death Stranding isn't a very fun game
nimble drift
Mythic+ is the only thing that feels good.
Idk how man. You don't pug at all right?
ionic fern
Most of my keys are pug.
nimble drift
Link raiderio plz
ionic fern
There is definitely a big difference between "good pugs" and "bad pugs".,
wintry jetty
one is rare, the other aplenty? :p
nimble drift
Idk like, what do you feel is the percentage of good to bad pugs
like every 5 runs you get a key in time?
twin hazel
i think its 50/50
nimble drift
ilvl?
ionic fern
Most of them should be in time.
ionic fern
204
nimble drift
Most of them should be in time.
what do your stats look like
ionic fern
Aight, lets make one thing clear.
Stats won't make or brake your keys.
undone jacinth
it's not his stats that time keys xd
ionic fern
We can go in a channel and i can stream a random pug if you want. 🤷
nimble drift
I'd love that lol
ionic fern
In like..2 Torghast levels.
nimble drift
I'm ilvl 204 as well and I feel like I struggle so much
undone jacinth
the highest prot in the world whos done 18s was 206 last I checked
uneven mason
M+ is a team effort
sick sentinel
Being in comms with pugs works well too
uneven mason
yup
twin hazel
do you comm with your pugs mwahi?
ionic fern
Yeah, you can easily deplete a +9 in a PuG while also easily time a +14
uneven mason
its almost required to do well
ionic fern
do you comm with your pugs mwahi?
Outside of the route, no.
uneven mason
using dungeon tools and such helps as well
undone jacinth
honestly if u just get ppl who do massive dps u can overcome most other issues urself
sick sentinel
It's needed for pugging 16/17s and up I guess
uneven mason
well 16/17 would be cutting edge
nimble drift
I just need to figure out why I'm struggling with +10s.
nimble drift
I look forward to seeing @ionic fern movement and how he plays with his CDs
ya always
ionic fern
Horribly.
ionic fern
1 more level.
uneven mason
I Literally didn't time a +7 last week
undone jacinth
u would be surprised how many ppl in here say that
uneven mason
because of sloppy DPS
undone jacinth
while saying they struggle with 7s-9s
ionic fern
What is your average group DPS like trho?
sick sentinel
It's hard to get into good groups as warrior tbh
nimble drift
Average group dps lol, idk how to really answer that
ionic fern
Do you have a DPS meter?
uneven mason
right
ionic fern
👀
uneven mason
so, thats the thing
nimble drift
lol i guess like 2.5k-3.5k usually?
uneven mason
the longer a pack is alive
nimble drift
on packs
undone jacinth
err
sick sentinel
3.5k is decent enough for sure
uneven mason
on packs
3.5k is like ST DPS For a lot of kaboomers
lower than ST
on packs you're looking for 6k+
UDK/MMHunter/Fire you want like 12+k
sick sentinel
Yeah nvm on packs
nimble drift
often times I'm doing top dps on many pulls with spear and ravager and by the end I'm like 200dps less than the bottom dps or slightly above them
ionic fern
@nimble drift https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeCzc4cLBfj_VxtgF31n-hA
Check him out as well.
Good old Sense.
uneven mason
Sense represents
nimble drift
Okay so like I watch his shit
sick sentinel
Do you not make your own groups?
nimble drift
HE GOES IN
uneven mason
I was mad at Sense
uneven mason
yes
nimble drift
I DO THAT AND THE PACK TAKES 2 MINUTES
uneven mason
because he has cannons strapped to his ass
ionic fern
So8unds like a DPS issue.
uneven mason
DPS is important
Prot warriors are brick walls,
we can frontload mitigation like no one else
but once that runs out
because of flipperhanded DPS
we start to get hurt
twin hazel
yah my best dungeons are when the healer is DPSing
uneven mason
Restocat
twin hazel
if the healer is dpsing it means things are dying fast enough he hardly has to heal
sick sentinel
And people avoid shit
uneven mason
if the healer is dpsing it means things are dying fast enough he hardly has to h...
It means you're still in your CD window and he knows what he's doing
groups that boom on DPS
undone jacinth
if u run ur own keys and invite people with decent rio scores then u will start to get an impression of what good looks like
uneven mason
and interrupt
undone jacinth
and ur own mistakes will become more obvious
uneven mason
there is a gap between 6-10 that is filled with dudebros
that are asshats but managed to get a few runs in
that will always shit your key
undone jacinth
that happens at most lvls tbh
wintry jetty
that's true at 12 too, so probably everywhere :p
uneven mason
eh
its less prevelent at 12
but TFW my Rshm at 180 was getting +9 groups meanwhile my 200war is getting declined for 6s 👏
twin hazel
Its like ELO hell 6-10
nimble drift
Do you guys shield block while using shield wall
or almost exclusively use as a filler for SB cd
on trash
gray spear
What are you guys favorite trinkets so far for mythic plus?
misty fossil
I fat finger ignore pain and shield block at the same time when the big attack is about to happen
sick sentinel
Scale
gray spear
You don't ip and sb at the same time? I thought the absorbed damage is after the mitigation
nimble drift
Boss tanking whenever big hit comes
twin hazel
its not as rage efficient
uneven mason
but that rage should be spent on Revenge
nimble drift
I always SB IP
nimble drift
yeah see idk for trash pack tanking in mythics
I feel like if I use 1 revenge
I'm asking to die
lol
ionic fern
Ok, i'm ready Prince. LEts go find a horrible pug and see if we can carry,.
nimble drift
I drop 2-3 at the start of the pack and then use mostly mitigation
gray spear
If i run with a high burst dps, if i don't revenge right away ill lose all the aggro lol
strong forum
If i run with a high burst dps, if i don't revenge right away ill lose all the a...
Cuz revenge is most of your dmg
You're supposed to use rage on revenge
nimble drift
strong forum
Although spear is the best aggro generator
agile holly
if we switch covenant do we keep our renown level for the old one?
uneven mason
if we switch covenant do we keep our renown level for the old one?
NOpe
agile holly
lame
twin hazel
i thought you kept it but the new covenant started at 0
agile holly
ah ok i feel better now ty @undone jacinth
undone jacinth
renown catch up is incredibly quick I wouldnt worry about renown
strong forum
You can grind the renown back up almost instantly
twin hazel
whats the source? Callings?
undone jacinth
everything
undone jacinth
do a dungeon, get renown etc
gray spear
Mythic plus drops renown level, is that only for alts?
twin hazel
is it per raid boss or finishing a raid?
undone jacinth
its quicker to catch up the next week than it is to do it the week its out
per everything
mellow patio
At some point you gotta do the campaign tho no?
undone jacinth
the stories are pretty good but its just weird because they lead you on to all the dungeons and content that you've already done
while acting like you haven't done them
it was clearly designed as levelling content
twin hazel
If they added it to Threads of fate and gave big xp rewards per every couple of renown it would be nice
anything to skip revendreth for me is a win
agile holly
i love revendreth
undone jacinth
navigating it is a pain
fluid beacon
Hey guys, has someone done a Spire with the new affix this week? Know if any of the first 2 packs have an Inspired add?
agile holly
goblin glider kit ftw
gloomy cradle
Hey guys, has someone done a Spire with the new affix this week? Know if any of ...
Pretty sure you can see the buff
candid meadow
@chilly brook On YouTube or Twitch?
muted pendant
I DO THAT AND THE PACK TAKES 2 MINUTES
Don’t forget that some packs they use BL or have pride. They are all fully stuffed with bufffood. They’re using pots for bigger groups as long as it will be off CD on boss or big trash pack. If the dps are just sitting there and not even using their health pot (if they even carry some!) when it would prevent their death I just call them onlookers on how mobs hit me in my ugly orc face
That’s the same thing as dps or the heal body pulling because they just stare at you with their mouths wide open
uneven mason
That’s the same thing as dps or the heal body pulling because they just stare at...
My favorite type of flipperhanded mouthbreather
Is the one that knockbacks mobs into other packs
because they started pulling before you engaged and got melee'd once
Then makes it your fault~
mellow patio
WHY IS THIS NOT JUST A WEBAPP YET
waxen cradle
Hey guys I am seeing some weird suggestions for best gear upgrades come up from Raidbots best gear pieces
gloomy cradle
Feelcraft is the wae
sweet summit
because mastery sims very good cos it increases attack power
mellow patio
Yuge dam
muted pendant
Sometimes I wish Arms would be in a better spot so I can relax just dps’ing in some keys and be an onlooker myself. But then they’re not fond of inviting arms into groups so I have to play with my friends who can’t tank (or don’t want to because...)
sleek radish
I got a question about huntsmen, on the secund hound. When he casts rip soul, does the adds hp depends on my health before the cast or after?
uneven mason
after
mellow patio
A f t e r
uneven mason
you wanna reduce that nuke as much as possible
so SR/DS/IP/SW (call for externals)
should only be seeing 2-3 though
mellow patio
Take it at 50% hp your healers will parse and everyone loves you
You will be a hero
uneven mason
luls
uneven mason
Take it at 50% hp your healers will parse and everyone loves you
Until the Prot paladin snipes with WOG/LoH
and gets his 100% healing parse
light thicket
Call for an antimagic zone of youhave any dks in your raid
waxen cradle
even though mastery does Sim well for damage wouldn't a ring from the vault that took you from a 184 item in that slot to a 220 still just flat be better due to the priority for gearing being Socket>Item Level>Haste being the priority, of course baring in mind things not being so cut and dry with rings and trinkets
uneven mason
What else is it up against? Rings are the weakest upgrades
you can gain 10ilvls on a helm and beat 20ilvls on a ring
waxen cradle
strong forum
rings, neck and trinket are of less importance to have high ilvl on
uneven mason
so
waxen cradle
up against those pieces, equipped chest is 200, equipped neck is 200, one ring equipped is 184 so those are the choices
uneven mason
chest
20 ilvls on chest is a no brainer
the only thing that would beat that would be a likewise amount on a shield
ring nets no armor
and very little stam
chilly brook
So just replaced my helmet with the one from the world boss feeling pretty pog
waxen cradle
yeah I was thinking that, and forgot how low in value rings were
strong forum
its just the Strength
uneven mason
ever since they removed main stats from them.
waxen cradle
Thanks guys appreciate the help there with the decision
strong forum
👀
waxen cradle
One thing I am also curious about comparing my trinkets, I have a 213 Gluttonus Spike, and a 200 Darkmoon haste trinket, I am thinking pair up the 2 haste trinkets together but how badly does the Glutt Spike sim damage wise compared to the Darkmoon card ?
strong forum
very bad
spare cobalt
😦
uneven mason
about as bad as it gets for pushing
spare cobalt
I just need sanguine for that stupid mount
mellow patio
It might be the worst week blizzard can draw up
spare cobalt
I hate that place
uneven mason
It might be the worst week blizzard can draw up
I just heard, off in the distance...."Hold my beer"
uneven mason
it is
spare cobalt
Yeah that might be a next week ordeal
uneven mason
not going to like
spare cobalt
I’ll give it the good old fashion try
mellow patio
Who would enter an SD today
spare cobalt
Yeah it’s my last 15 I need
spare cobalt
Like 6x last week it was just wipe on first boss
At least it was only 10 minutes of wasted time
uneven mason
Its tyrannical now
mellow patio
Hawgz will only be doing the player versus player this week
waxen cradle
Yeah this week for M+ feels like a get a 10 or higher done and say to hell with it, or struggle boss through as many as you can to get max M+ vault rewards
uneven mason
I think Hawgz has a good idea
mellow patio
I will be purchasing my boost to 2100 and pitching a tent
uneven mason
I'ma just take my 226 2h I know is waiting for me at home when I open my vault
and melt some face in PVP
sweet summit
shield shield shield shield
cinder nova
I KNOW BUT BIG PP DPS
ionic fern
cinder nova
I know what I SHOULD do
sweet summit
CONQUEST WEAPON
cinder nova
Shield
twin hazel
Someone mentioned rings in ulduar, none drop
spare cobalt
@strong forum do you stream keys at all
strong forum
i do but im kind of in hiatus rn
very angry at my guild currently so i just dont play
uneven mason
Someone mentioned rings in ulduar, none drop
Ok that makes sense why no datamining had found the 200ilvl ones
twin hazel
well the dungeon journal has none shown
uneven mason
Nom were you not crying about being unable to find a stable guild?
Chances are you're right
strong forum
na that was karton
twin hazel
they probably removed them for that purpose
uneven mason
ah ok
spare cobalt
What did they do?
strong forum
im in the same guild for 3 years
spare cobalt
Make you go arms? 😦
uneven mason
remove primary stat rings/necks from Ulduar
strong forum
no theyre fucking dogshit at the game
mellow patio
God me too
strong forum
all of them
spare cobalt
F man
mellow patio
Did you ask them to improve
spare cobalt
It’s hard af to find a guild as tank too huh?
strong forum
im RL
mellow patio
This is what raiding does to a man
spare cobalt
For 3 years?
Bro
I raid led CE uldir and burnt out after 1 tier
I haven’t raided since
mellow patio
I prefer to raid because high keys stress me tf out but here I am still doing them
strong forum
ye high keys also stress me out
spare cobalt
Make someone else lead it’s more fun
uneven mason
Nom could probably find a guild pretty ez
strong forum
thats why i stopped pushing in S1 BFA
mellow patio
A man threw my 16 PF yesterday and I legit almost uninstalled wow
Good thing I get a week off
uneven mason
pugging
spare cobalt
What they do?
strong forum
we overtimed a DoS 15 because
uneven mason
PF at any level makes me want to uninstall wow
spare cobalt
Wtf
strong forum
because they fucking refused to understand the boss
for the 4th week in a row
AND THEN
THEY FUCKING
mellow patio
It’s awful. We got downstairs with 9 minutes left and we had two dps die two separate times to tentacle slaps
strong forum
PUG DOS 14
spare cobalt
If it makes you feel any better. It took me 4x to get a wake 15+ cause we wiped on the last boss...
3x
strong forum
and send a screeny of killing enchanter in 43seconds
after said mage literally caused 2 wipes
ionic fern
We were killing a pack in a +14 Mists for 2 minutes cause no one interrupted heals.
strong forum
on said boss
ionic fern
spare cobalt
NO
mellow patio
We were killing a pack in a +14 Mists for 2 minutes cause no one interrupted hea...
Love to see that
spare cobalt
Ok I have the best pug play for you
mellow patio
That’s good gameplay
hallow phoenix
Lmao
spare cobalt
I’ve never
hallow phoenix
Our shaman did that once
spare cobalt
In my life
ionic fern
😂
hallow phoenix
Was fucking hilarious
spare cobalt
Haha yeah we were the same
uneven mason
That one PF high key, where the dude flat out gets MC'd and hearths
void moat
Any of you out there have experience with the Anima Field Emitter trinket?
uneven mason
that vid cracked me up
void moat
how does it feel?
ionic fern
Gooood
uneven mason
👍
strong forum
anime is good
void moat
debating that over a pants upgrade
mellow patio
Where the fuck are my good trinkets
uneven mason
whats the ilvl difference
spare cobalt
I felt like I got it proc at bad time
strong forum
i pray i dont get a trinket from vault
spare cobalt
When I had it
mellow patio
I want a scale so bad
spare cobalt
And I would have to kite out
uneven mason
Hawgz, they're waiting for you at the end of a +16 Tyrannical INspiring Necrotic Sanguine Depths
dusty bridge
i got the damn cubve trinket..
strong forum
debating looting as fury, to get the chance on 1h and 2h weppy
dusty bridge
cube*
spare cobalt
But I also misplay a fuckton
void moat
I have a 194 Blood Spat sccale and a 200 Splintered heeart of Al'ar
strong forum
1h for pve 2h for pvp
open monolith
so how bad is necrotic + tyrannical in this expansion?
mellow patio
SD makes me want to kms on fort why in gods name would I go there this week
open monolith
SD fortified is easy af
spare cobalt
@open monolith most the bosses feel like they’d give you a free reset on stacks
open monolith
SD tyrannical is aids
uneven mason
Tyrannical And you can't heal!
mellow patio
At what a 12
open monolith
because someone might have fucking done a dungeon by now tusks?
how is that a hard question
servers have been up for several hours
strong forum
so how bad is necrotic + tyrannical in this expansion?
just think of Theatre of Pain first boss
🙂
uneven mason
Well
strong forum
i think youll know the answer
open monolith
oh boy oh boy
open monolith
trap the rogue
uneven mason
pfft
hallow phoenix
because someone might have fucking done a dungeon by now tusks?
Chill. You're asking how bad necrotic+tyrannical is for Shadowlands when people are still way undergeared and developing strategies for dungeons
mellow patio
What’s a strategy
hallow phoenix
15s aren't the peak of m+...
open monolith
for the vast majority of the playerbase, it is
mellow patio
Can you nerds quit fighting in chat it makes it incredibly hard to troll this chat when you guys are polluting
hallow phoenix
Sry hawgz
mellow patio
It’s ok babe
chilly brook
hey guys any1 tried out into the fray + anger management?
yes it's fine
sturdy trench
bolster still better?
chilly brook
Defensively yes
hallow phoenix
Bet
There's also a soul shape one that makes you practically invulnerable for it's duration.
vocal bison
Phial gets rid of necrotic and grievous right?
Feel like I remember it wiping grievous last week, haven’t gotten a chance to run today yet.
sweet summit
necrotic yes, grevious it resets it but you insta get it back unless youre above 90% hp
vocal bison
gotchya
amber herald
what's the best tactic for prot next week in m+?
sweet summit
dont 
strong forum
silver trout
😬
simple mural
Oh jeez need help on this one. 20 ilvl jump with my pants, or 23 ilvl jump for my weapon. Leaning towards weapon.
simple mural
Mmm that's true
simple mural
fair enough, what if we go back to tanking without pants!
dusky sentinel
Hey guys. I kinda want a good answer from anyone who`s played around with the tanks in this expansion. Everyone is saying Prot aint good because there is so much magic dmg. But from previous expansions ive learned that those people just play whatevers "best". So how are they really?
@simple mural I mean.. You got a shield so 🤷♂️
simple mural
Behold, my shield pants!
steel mauve
Prot is in a good place, and literally every rank spec has difficulty with magic damage, we have a 25 second cd that lets us immune/ignore a ton of shit, so we actually handle a lot of magic better than most
dusky sentinel
Are u talking about shield block and last stand? Did I miss anything or does it now decrease magic dmg?
steel mauve
Spell reflect, it reflects certain spells (more this expac than in previous ones) and if it doesnt deflect it reduces magic damage for the duration, along with ip just absorbing damage
nimble drift
Is the prot trinket off sire denathrius better than the arms one?
How good is the survivability of it
undone jacinth
it's decent
there aren't really any other survive options
it's worse than scale
the arms one is fine but it's just a ST nuke so like... should be obvious where it's useful and where it isn't
I'd personally rather have a haste/stat trinket than either
dusky sentinel
So. help a noob out here. IF you could compare the selfhealing/m.dmg reduction of a .. druid. How far beind would SR and IP be compared? Im just trying to compare the differences between the tanks
undone jacinth
it's a pretty horrible question
dusky sentinel
Hence the noob comment
undone jacinth
both can deal with it in their own way, druids overall DR is better but it has weaknesses as well
spell reflect has times where it's just broken
applying blanket statements just isn't really useful, you're gonna be fine with both tanks you just need to learn how to play them
steel mauve
With this expansion as with every other expansion playing what you are comfortable with or find more enjoyable will result in a far better performance, tanks are incredibly close in terms of balance
dusky sentinel
But thats the thing. We`re not going on pure "this is how the class works". Thats why im asking about people playing different stuff.
jagged granite
howcome there's only DHs in the top m+ tho?
midnight stone
Its far easier to snap aggro as a DH and kite than it is for a War/Druid
Thats pretty much it
steel mauve
Each spec has strengths and weaknesses and each spec can perform at each level of play
undone jacinth
well
jagged granite
I mean I've had Rdruids leave party like 3 times today alone
undone jacinth
to a certain level
undone jacinth
yeah that's called being a moron
jagged granite
Oh I know
undone jacinth
you probably don't wanna play with them either
jagged granite
100%
nimble drift
Would you ever use the sire denathrius prot trinket over scale?
jagged granite
Its just the general consensus right
undone jacinth
no prince
nimble drift
for bosses and pvp
dusky sentinel
Yeah. one of the reasons im asking is that I main resto shaman. And Ive only encountered ONE warrior :S But he did very well!
undone jacinth
sure
nimble drift
i enjoy trinkets
undone jacinth
me2
I thought skulkers was better though
could be wrong
haven't checked numbers lately
undone jacinth
Its just the general consensus right
among ppl who don't know what they are talking about
dusky sentinel
And I hate DH`s. Cause their kinda the new DK back in the days. Every "I chose the best class"-Players choose it and sucked.
undone jacinth
the world first raid kill featured a prot warrior, a prot warrior with 208 ilvl has timed an 18 when the highest prot warrior ilvl in the game is 223... ppl just haven't got a clue what they're on about
midnight stone
I will say, healing a bunch of tanks, I think the variance between good/bad warriors is much greater than the other tanks
undone jacinth
try healing a bad dk
midnight stone
In general, a good warrior is perfectly fine. The class just demands more from the player right now, I think.
Oh, its miserable
steel mauve
Community perception doesnt help much either, they still think these tier lists are the word of god by dps mains who dont tank
midnight stone
It doesn't help that the GM of Limit said on stream that prot wars were trash
jagged granite
10ish keys
dusky sentinel
Its always been like that Jay. And thats hence my question. Are the ones saying they do bad because of magic dmg just bad?
midnight stone
Most likely. I don't generally have issues outside of groups that fail interrupting/stunning
steel mauve
We often get people here complaining about their own performance of a prot war saying they are trash, when infact its 99% their own ability
undone jacinth
means little
twin hazel
its a lazy perception. He was most likely talking about tanks in Raid vs Mythic+ too
jagged granite
I mean I struggle more with healers sleeping than my own survivability
twin hazel
and people take it as everything
steel mauve
Pretty sure limit said it ironically
midnight stone
Right, I'm not saying it was also accurate
It just doesn't help when someone like that says it, because people will run with it in whatever way they want
undone jacinth
I think they've said multiple times prot warr is decent
steel mauve
As in mocking every one who says they are
undone jacinth
darkee said it was the top tier of tanks so idk
dusky sentinel
Thanks for the feedback tho. Just wanted to check in and spark the arguement 😄
twin hazel
Yah all it takes is one time for them to say it even ironically for everyone to believe it
undone jacinth
think the point is it doesn't really matter what ppl believe
because the average level people are at is very low
the average key completed is probably a 3 or something
jagged granite
Yeah
I havent raided
but my own consensus
Is that warriors are more than fine
undone jacinth
pushing keys, raiding etc is always reliant on finding a group of ppl no matter waht u play
jagged granite
Ravager Is heaps of fun to play with aswell
undone jacinth
yeah warr is super fun to me atm
dusky sentinel
Tanka. What keys do u generally do?
jagged granite
8+
started yesterday tho
had a big break
Basically geared myself to around 190 and have tanked and dpsed 10s today
Not S tier
but defo worth bringing
Prot/Arms
undone jacinth
I was looking at their dmg breakdown like just trying to figure it out
I'm sure it can't be possible if ur just pressing a button on gcd
jagged granite
Yeah thats unreal man
dusky sentinel
Ive seen those who spam that arcane aoe outside of groups so..
last mason
how much ash is it frrom 225 to 235
torpid granite
Ive seen those who spam that arcane aoe outside of groups so..
Those are bots
olive gulch
210 shield vs 216 belt upgrade, both coming from 184, neither has haste.
Having a hard time finding the value of armour (other than less than other stats), but I'm assuming the shield is the better pick
sleek thorn
That's tough. Which has more raw stats?
late cloak
Shield for sure
olive gulch
Oh right, forgot that was a thing
mighty valley
i sorta go with "which of these will i keep the longest"
civic rover
shield ilvl is dummy thicc
onyx geyser
hey guys, whats the best weapon enchant?
astral crystal
mighty valley
lightless force good for m+
topaz zenith
ocean bloom
hey how should i choose between bolster and anger management?
sweet summit
their reset is 16 hours after eu no?
ocean bloom
looking at logs seems like its a pretty even spread of both across most fights
potent anvil
KR WoW doesn't reset on Wednesday? Thought they do.
ocean bloom
it just seems like they both provide a defense boost with shield wall vs block
where AM gives big dam on top lol
versed bough
Should I go for Spear conduit if Im a kyrian tank?
undone jacinth
it just seems like they both provide a defense boost with shield wall vs block
you'll get to a point where you need bolster to live, AM isn't giving you that much
undone jacinth
Should I go for Spear conduit if Im a kyrian tank?
yeah
tardy parcel
Any thoughts on Crackling Thunder vs. Bounding Stride for higher keys?
tardy parcel
Yeah, that's what I've always run with for that exact reason - was wondering if there's any benefit to the leap bonus to run for kiting
I'll prob just stick with crackling unless someone tells me something super compelling otherwise lol
undone jacinth
well u already know the logic urself so can just see what happens and change accordingly
anybody maintaining more than 1 character at the same level?
undone jacinth
yeah wanting to switch my warr to main but its a struggle to keep it at the same pace
mellow patio
I will wait until raid is on farm then leech off my guild
undone jacinth
I joined a new guild and im worried thats gonna take longer than I want 😛
novel temple
ok so i just got up to 5320 soul ash, if i want rank 4 for my pauldrons ill have to get the rank 4 base armor piece for crafting, right?
undone jacinth
yup
novel temple
and im a blacksmith so im gonna have to craft a shit ton if i want to get up to rank 4
undone jacinth
isnt that like a million gold or somethin
versed bough
IQD good for tenk?
strong forum
no
mellow patio
What server you on? Jfc
open monolith
Thrall
well the rank 4 boots were 40k. haven't looked at shoulders in a while
might be wrong
stiff wraith
Is there a soft cap for haste before we start getting other secondary stats? Like 20% or something
undone sun
no
stiff wraith
So just fat haste and verse
novel temple
the 235 is like 45k on illidan
tall mural
Is the pvp conquest trinket any good? The Str + 10k health boost. Doesn't seem like a big oh shit moment. I have slimy at 184 and viscera at 184.
fossil summit
ok, question, I started playing tank, Prot Warrior, I used to play BM Hunter,
So a friend of mine started playing, we're now a group of 4, I'm the tank right?
So this new player's playing BM Hunter, and her pets just WONT STOP dying, which never happened to me, turns out her main pet keeps stealing aggro from me, but we checked, I used to play BM Hunter,
Its Growl (taunt) is off, its not on Auto-Mode, or even in her action bar, but it just keeps on stealing aggro, just this one pet that doesnt do any dmg almost, and another friend even switched to BM and her pets dont have this issue either
so I keep fighting to try and take aggro back from single mobs, and even sometimes I'll TAUNT and her pet instantly takes aggro back
her main pet is Karoma, and its taunt is off as I said before but yeah
and one might think, oh well its a damage thing, but no, I'm usually top DPS, by FAR, and I tried Details! Tiny Threat but its not being very helpful,
So is there any tool for tanks to see not just what's taking aggro but also HOW and WHY they do it?
sick sentinel
Maybe they are using a macro to MD their pets?
fossil summit
oh no they dont have any macros, they dont even know what that is I bet
golden quartz
I think Conqueror's Banner is okay honestly
raid / M+ wise
doesn't provide much utility like Kyrians but
Shield + Crit build up is kinda op?
fierce roost
Is it still thunderclap legendary for m+ and the wall for raiding?
vernal scaffold
Do you guys know any streamer that play prot warrior and does high keys?
sonic crown
yeah fuse
tahts right
and no one palys war prot for mythic + 😦
also does anyone know the sweet spot for haste % for prot war?
open monolith
does intervene absorb spells, or just white attacks
the sweet spot for haste
is 160%
so stack as much as you can
fallow mortar
Do you guys know any streamer that play prot warrior and does high keys?
snse on twitch
vernal scaffold
snse on twitch
Thanks 🙏
cinder nova
does intervene absorb spells, or just white attacks
Any melee.
cinder nova
It's why we could intervene Sha'dar Crush.
It's a melee attack, even though it has a cast bar.
Melee and ranged, actually.
It might also soak spells, but that's conjecture. It'll soak ranged physical attacks probably.
open monolith
95% heroic hungering parse 😄
chilly brook
Intervene is so sick in raid
On SLG
@hallow phoenix Ancient Aftershock is fucking nuts
12k crits on initial hit
chilly brook
doesn't provide much utility like Kyrians but
No it's just strictly worse than everything
undone jacinth
cool concept, awful ability
golden quartz
The spear is just too OP in arena
undone jacinth
also better in everything else too :p
spare oracle
ive never thought about that, intervene on slg
hollow zephyr
How does sludgefist tanking work? if main tank uses mitigation will that also reduce the dmg of the off tank?
Should we swap when we run out of CDs to rotate our defensives?
undone jacinth
no
u just get pumped the entire time for full dmg
if one of u has insane CDs you could move away and let them take the double hit a few times
but its likely to kill them
just use the charge time to get ur blocks back
signal plover
lotsa downtime on sludge tbh
dont rly even need bolster
just external during enrage
(on heroic)
novel temple
oh and is the queensguard vigil trinekt any good?
undone jacinth
dont think u can get a high ilvl version of it
quaint fjord
hello, is there a good website / add-on to get right routes plz?
split wyvern
If you look up dorkibears twitch channel he posts his routes. He was the number 1 bear tank in M+ during BFA
vernal scaffold
hello, is there a good website / add-on to get right routes plz?
There’s a weekly route article on raider.io https://raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route
Although those routes are for m+10
quaint fjord
ok, thanks a lot @vernal scaffold @split wyvern
split wyvern
I would recommend downloading the Mythic dungeon tools and playing around with it to make your own routes over time. It’s good practice too to run m0 and test your routes or blast through low keys
vernal scaffold
I think that MDT had been updated being a paywall now.
undone sun
quaint fjord
thanks a lot guys ! :d
sleek thorn
Oh nice. I wondered why my routes disappeared
Kleia phial is removing necrotic? Or is that wishful thinking
undone jacinth
Kyrian not kleia but yeah it does
wintry jetty
I think he meant the immunity for 8sec :p
warm plinth
Both. It removes it, and with the Kleia soulbind trait, you're immune for 8 seconds. Necrotic is considered a bleed.
regal loom
I'm trying to pickup tanking this expansion m+ not raiding. I did read the guide and things go overall okay. I think sometimes I panic and overlap ignore pain and shield block, is that general bad, should I ever be layering defensives like that? I think in general I have a hard time choosing which button to press when many are available, and I assume that will come with more knowledge of instances and understanding the type of incoming damage.
Is it generally okay to think about shield block as just mitigation for overall incoming melee auto attacks, or should I treat it more like an 'oh shit' button when DBM tells me to 'use defensive' (right now I push things like IP when I know big hits are coming)
lavish oracle
You want to be overlapping IP and other defensives, it's your goto rage dump for survivability, what you don't want to do, as a general rule is overlap other defensive CDs like shield wall and shield block
regal loom
Yeah coming from more arms play it's weird to not have IP with a CD, I call it a CD but I guess it's not really 😉
fringe marten
Does dwarven racial still remove necrotic like it did in bfa?
lavish oracle
You should have shield block up as much as possible, it might be okay to save a charge for big tank mechanics like brutal combo if you really need to
undone jacinth
ye
fringe marten
(haven't done a key yet, just did raids)
Ok so necrotic already didn't matter later in bfa...now it really doesn't? (as dwarf/kyrian)
lavish oracle
We don't really have oh shit buttons, our goal is to not fall behind
undone jacinth
it’s manageable but I doubt there’s ever a world where it doesn’t matter
lavish oracle
If we fall behind we have to rely on external healing sources to get us back up
regal loom
okay so really it's like try to maintain uptime of SB like I've been doing, but perhaps I push revenge too much and should be pushing IP a bit more if I need to feel tankier. I don't push IP often enough perhaps
fringe marten
Also we were able to get AOTC monday night..and good thing, because it allowed me to get Sir Vampire Chad's ring @mossy sparrow, with speed on it from my vault (was overall best option imo for me this week)
lavish oracle
Revenge is hood if you don't think you're going to die from your current damage intake
Good*
regal loom
We don't really have oh shit buttons, our goal is to not fall behind
Yeah this makes sense. I guess even 50% mitigation isn't great if you have 1khp ;)Better mindset then I've had
fringe marten
Is being the on-tank for sludge easier than being the off tank? when we do sludge the on tank is our bear, and I'm the OT..should we swap it up? He's kinda' angry..especially in last phase. I actually have to change off of AM and go to bolster. (only sludge, and Sire denny do I bother with bolster in heroic now)
fringe marten
hm. ok then...bleh.
fringe marten
On sludge I think yes; giant fists is blockable..and it's a lot of incoming damage. Having longer block windows, and much higher uptime on block via bolster does help a lot.
On Denathrius..honestly? I can probably go back to AM
undone jacinth
sludge has so much down time I assume u can manage with enough haste
fringe marten
If the raid is stable, and healers aren't running around too much in P3...(which is where all the damage happens) then honestly it's not that nasty a tank fight.
undone jacinth
but I haven’t tried much because I prefer bolster anyways
thorny wing
Guys, question about Great Vault. Should i spec into arms for chance to get trinkets (Phial and Dreadfire)? Or go Protection spec for a chance to get a weapon
undone jacinth
Prot
fringe marten
I was so pissed, almost got mythic shriekwing trinket counciled to me, but there was still 1 dps that wanted it. Our ret paladin got his second one so he gave it up for trade.
undone jacinth
Shield