protection

[deft vessel]

and I've found myself enjoying the game more when the realm follows the RP rules, sharding, etc, seeing familiar names more, stuff like that, feels more like an MMO

[ionic fern]

Oh

I don't care about that at all. 😂

I just joined it cause of friends guild.

[deft vessel]

I mean, to each their own of course 😄

I mean, to be fair, my own move was prompted by friends guild lol

but I've found myself really liking AD, more than Kazzak at least

never been on Draenor, so don't have experience with that one

it's also a lot more fun to be on a server that doesn't have an overwhelming majority for one faction, the relative balance of AD is cool, for what that's worth

but anyway, totally off topic

(also we run the same talents )

[ionic fern]

Most people should run those.

So we gucci

[deft vessel]

👌

[jade axle]

Do I need to log pug mythics myself for them to show up on warcraft logs?

[ionic fern]

If you want the logs to show up yes.

It will still show up

If you do not log, just without the actual logs.

[surreal thunder]

thunderlords or wall for mythic +?

[jade axle]

Gotcha

[ionic fern]

Both work, pick your poison.

[jade axle]

Just thought it would update via leaderboard

[ionic fern]

They do.

[jade axle]

I've definitely done more than that

[surreal thunder]

do you still wana use bolster with the wall or heavy repercussions?

[sharp crescent]

Leaderboard only show 500 best run I believe

[dense umbra]

Yikes picked your worst one too

[sharp crescent]

Only mean you aren't in it, so you need to log for parse that aren't part of it for them to show up

[dense umbra]

I’ve got same for Lady Inerva , done two clean kills and one messy one (week1) - only logged the bad one

[sharp crescent]

You can use dbm or big wigs to log all mythic + and raid auto as soon as you enter in one

So you don't miss them

[fallow mortar]

how?

[sharp crescent]

In the settings you can enable it

[deft vessel]

huh, didn't realize it grabs via leaderboards, i haven't been logging much at all this expac for some reason

maybe I should start again now that I'm doing 10s regularly (and will be going beyond)

[sick sentinel]

to infinity

and beyond

[rough egret]

Piercing verdict can be obtained only from WB right?

at 200 i lvl

higher version is from where? I saw some warrior with 213 item lvl

[deft vessel]

ven'ari

at exalted

costs 1.9k stygia per gamble

[rough egret]

ah

alright ty

sad thing that if you swap cov, then the cov specific conduit will not trasnfer wih you 😄

had 200 venthyr one

[deft vessel]

I mean, yeah, though it makes sense, my situation is pretty meh on the conduits front, but it's not too big a deal

I've legit not had any piece of loot from any of the world bosses so far, no conduits, no gear lol

just anima and the legendary powers

(which are guaranteed lol)

[rough egret]

that was my only item

now i lost it either

😄

but i have "fresh" warrior

so even 171 spear from WQ is nice

[naive swan]

@deft vessel whered you get 200 mortal combo

[deft vessel]

honestly I'm not sure

must've been either m+ or normal raid, since my callings/venari ones are 184

[naive swan]

Cool thanks

[patent cairn]

Shield for prot is 1st to upgrade ?

[jagged pier]

yep

[naive swan]

Good luck on vault today fellas

Btw, I be spreadin the good word of prot warriors

Thanks all for this discord

[charred ivy]

was reading the guide, it said to use devistator for m+, and only cast revenge on proc. what do u do then when shield slam andthunderclap not up? im new to prot trying get the hang of this >.<

[naive swan]

Revenge if you're gonna cap rage

There might be a few dead globals here and there while we don't have a ton of haste from what I've read, I use them to reposition, stun, interrupt, group mobs

[charred ivy]

so its normal u have downtime in offensive stuff?

[naive swan]

Right, that will decrease significantly as we gear up i think

But there's plenty to do on a pull if you get bored 😁

[sour ravine]

little question here 🙂

[charred ivy]

i only have venthyr so i have condemn but i feel it spend alot of the rage in a way

[sour ravine]

or

[dusky mica]

spires M+

[ionic fern]

@charred ivy

[charred ivy]

yeah seen this, but i also dont feel like i have lots rage to soend to be fair

[ionic fern]

Don't use Condemn in AoE packs

Are you running Booming Voice/Ravager?

[charred ivy]

booming

[grizzled marten]

I've never really pushed into Mythic +, how hard is it for Prot warriors right now? I have 185 Ilevel and have done all the Mythic 0's, but guess I need to go higher now.

[blazing gale]

with 185 ilvl you should be able to do anyting up to 10 but maybe focus on getting some gear

[grizzled marten]

Ok, so when I do my Mythic 0 and get a +2 Key I should be able to do that one fairly easy as well?

[sweet summit]

yep

[grizzled marten]

Thanks guys/gals!

[blazing gale]

yea, but if you know nothiung about keys, read a guide on mythictrap or sth like that and download manbaby dungeon tool and get some routes going

as tank you need to know what and why you're doing

[grizzled marten]

manbaby dungeon tool?

I have been using Mythictrap for raid guides. I will study that too

[blazing gale]

just watchout they jhave lots of beta data

but there is nothing super crazy going on in dungeons

but probably best to learn some meta strategies

[grizzled marten]

Thank you, I will check it out. Was nervous to push because everything said Prot warriors were the worst tanks

[blazing gale]

dontl isten to pugtards

if you know your buttons you can do easy keys

just some have it easier

[grizzled marten]

am I disadvantaged being Night Fae? I know it isn't ideal, but if it's not some crazy disadvantage i'd rather not swap

[frail wyvern]

Night fae is fine, any covenant works. Only if you are top 1% would covenant make a difference tbh

I'm venthyr and doing fine, I believe night fae is 2nd best behind kyrian

[fierce tendon]

behind dmg its just base utility of having the stun or pull spear with kyrian/fae

[grizzled marten]

the system breaks my casual heart, I have to be DPS in raid and need to be Venthyr, but I like to tank and can only do that in M+ and need to be Kyrian/Fae

[fierce tendon]

nah its not as big as ur thinking

[jade axle]

Had someone early say i bricked my char as a Venthyr Zandalar Troll Prot Warr 😂

[grizzled marten]

Venthyr seems ideal for arms warrior dps, especially on certain raid fights. It sucks you can't have a covenant per spec

[jade axle]

"Should have gone Arms as Orc Warr and PvP then upgrade gear while making friends with better tank classes"

[frail wyvern]

Lol 😂

[dense pivot]

gl making friends in pugs as dps warr

[fierce tendon]

its definitely not as big a deal, you're missing out on aoe dmg as a tank but thats largely irrelevant when ur pushing high keys

and in the low keys it matters even less

[grizzled marten]

I like having the Night Fae interrupt and the additional movement stuff on my prot warrior. Feels useful

[fierce tendon]

mhm, switch if youre inclined to but every covenant is usable in pve

[blazing gale]

all but necro kek

maybe its not as bad on prot tho

[frail wyvern]

One day we shall unlock Draven as a soulbind 😂

[jade axle]

I just like Venthyr location / Style, condemn pretty cool

[jolly spindle]

isnt draven the worst one

[frail wyvern]

Depends if you want to be more defensive or offensive

[blazing gale]

draven could be fun if it had some cr mechanic and not giving timer

yolo in pack for big aoe damage and get cr once every few minutes for free

[frail wyvern]

Kinda similar to the fae one though. Maybe something like at 15% hp you turn to stone for 5s reducing dmg by 90%

[charred ivy]

the thunderlord legendary power reduce cd max up to 4.5s. is that total, or per time u clap?

[sweet summit]

per clap

[charred ivy]

thats kinda sweet then xD

[frail wyvern]

It works out around 50% cd reduction

[charred ivy]

that will make some dif then thats nice 🙂

ty for info

[uneven mason]

You should've seen it before all the nerfs

3s per target, no cap

But you know, "Fun detected"

[charred ivy]

haha i can imagine xD

[naive swan]

@uneven mason it was so amazing in bfa haha

[uneven mason]

Legion~

in BFA we had Anger Management God Mode

which reduced the CD for DS per rage spent, and Deafening Crash which extended DS duration per time TC, and combined with UF (Avatar reduced TC CD and doubled damage) so you could have 70%ish uptime on DS.

[naive swan]

Hmm, I seem to remember using it in the T rex dungeon

[uneven mason]

We had other things that reduced DS CD and increased its uptime.

so effectively the same effect

[naive swan]

Oooh increased its uptime, thats what I remember

Infinite DS

Yep thats it, deafening crash

Legion was fun too

[hallow phoenix]

Now we get to sit afk for 33% of our rotation

[naive swan]

I'm enjoying the "block capped" style of prot right now, it reminds me of true block cap on pally in wrath

Yeah its def not as active

Which isn't as satisfying

[uneven mason]

Warriors could hit 100% "unhittable" in TBC and WOTLK, then in Cataclysm when they introduced "Critical block" which any block that rolled over the cap would increase crit block as well, they finaly "Fun detected" and now we have the 2 roll combat system

[naive swan]

Ah interesting, I didn't know that in wrath

Only xpac I switched off war for some reason

[uneven mason]

Yeah, it was so bad in TBC, I was literally removing gear so I Could get rage

[naive swan]

Oh interesting

[uneven mason]

I'd wear PVP gear instead of tanking gear until ZG

[naive swan]

So pally never needed to get hit i guess?

Bc mana

[hallow phoenix]

Correct

[naive swan]

I like that dmg intake is pretty smooth

[hallow phoenix]

In wrath it wasn't so bad because you could just put on more dps pieces with hit and expertise or ArP for more damage/threat

[uneven mason]

Well

[neat lagoon]

so i just got the Inscrutable Quantum Device from DOS but its only 194. Is it worth using? ATM I am using 213 Gluttonous Spike and 200 Pulsating Stoneheart

[hallow phoenix]

But I definitely recall taking pieces off for the occasional naxx reclear for people's alts

[uneven mason]

Paladins suffered from the fact that you;'d OOM occasionally

but blocking returned mana? I think in WOTLK

so stacking block was the go to.

[naive swan]

Yep I remember

[dense pivot]

there were dps plate tier sets in tbc, but raid damage is kinda high, not sure it was viable to swap to them

[hallow phoenix]

I'd use it over the heart

[uneven mason]

PVP reduced your chance to be crit without increasing avoidance, the issue was that warriors only got rage from being hit, or blocking

so until ZG came around, most of our "tank" sets had too much dodge/parry/defense

crippled our TPS

ZG gave us gear that stacked SBR and SBV

big shield slams and 60%~ block

[dense pivot]

and as classic showed wearing full prot sets is super bad, you need to get offpieces with dps stats and eventually t2.5

[quartz thicket]

ZA yeah?

[uneven mason]

erm yeah ZA

Zul'LukalikeanudatroldngeonAmon

[hallow phoenix]

Troll dungeons are the best

The creepiest shit goes down in them

[quartz thicket]

I like we get a troll dungeon every single expansion

https://tenor.com/view/life-jurassic-park-find-way-gif-5717042

[naive swan]

Say "beer can" in an English accent and you get "bacon" in a troll accent

[round vortex]

DECISIONS

HALP

[sweet summit]

haste

[stoic patio]

the lvl 200 one i'd say

[round vortex]

yeah i have the 200 on atm

seeking confirmation on my decision lol

[hallow phoenix]

207 ring has 11 more secondaries on it

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[round vortex]

yeah its the more stats vs better stats thing and no main stat to weight in

[strong forum]

the 200

the difference in haste is way too big, on rings there are no mainstats or armor so you can forego the "ilvl > stats" rule a bit

[round vortex]

yea defs

my other ring is this

[hallow phoenix]

In raid I would use whatever sims higher

[strong forum]

id use both haste rings

tbhlad

and the hyperlight for pvp or smth

[round vortex]

My sim.

[strong forum]

ye thats sim

[round vortex]

nah wait

[strong forum]

cuz mastery sims very high

[round vortex]

only 20 dps loss on sim to use double haste rings

[uneven mason]

Mastery stronk for DPS

[round vortex]

sorry I was posting both haha

[uneven mason]

but defensively, haste until 100% effective SB uptime.

[round vortex]

yeah ofc

[placid oar]

does that mean we need to reduce our SB cd to 12 secs?

[uneven mason]

😄

math

[strong forum]

12sec aint enough chief

[uneven mason]

Effective is an important word

[placid oar]

oh? care to shed more light sir?

[uneven mason]

charges refresh consecutively

[round vortex]

yeah 100% uptime for times when you need it to be up

[uneven mason]

not simultaneously

[round vortex]

is the goal

[placid oar]

i see

[uneven mason]

so 12seconds

would be 24second total recharge

[placid oar]

ah right

[uneven mason]

and 18seconds of uptime before you were waiting another 6

so 75% uptime

[strong forum]

if both charges would refresh simultaneously omg

warri would be so broken

[uneven mason]

then it would have a 36s cooldown Nom

you know it would

[placid oar]

i was always thinking it starts recharging the moment we use 1 charge

[strong forum]

yes, 1 of the charges

[placid oar]

i see

[strong forum]

if you have 0 SB charges ready

itll first get you 1

the 2nd one will only be started once the 1st one is banked up

[placid oar]

ahhhh

i understand now, thank you

[uneven mason]

I Feel that warriors have poor language skills

[placid oar]

GL with your caches later btw fellow tanks on the US and OCE servers

[uneven mason]

😢

[placid oar]

i never really read the tool tip >.<

[uneven mason]

I'm expecting more rings

😄

Its ok, it doesn't say anything on the tooltip

thats just literally how charges work in WoW 😄

[placid oar]

ah i see

thank you for sharing Ikarikaze and Nomeratur

[hallow phoenix]

Is reset in 6 mins or one hour for US?

[sweet summit]

an hour

[spiral stag]

how do you guys handle the nar zudah miniboss in necrotic wake? It always feels like I'm taking way too much damage from him. should I leap away from the floaty green balls and charge back every time?

[hallow phoenix]

I skip it

[sweet abyss]

spear it

[hallow phoenix]

If I can't skip it I dedicate prideful, orb, and a hammer to it

[sweet abyss]

actually spear it

[spiral stag]

with some sort of invis?

[hallow phoenix]

Priest, rouge, etc

[uneven mason]

You should avoid those yes, really avoid the pack, unless you expect your party to wipe, in which case, it becomes a problem

[spiral stag]

hmm, gotcha, thanks guys. in summary, skip it or spear + nuke... failing that, keep running away from the balls

[uneven mason]

Yes, avoid the balls, its not him thats the issue, the 3 little casters hit you with healing absorbs

so unless your group can interrupt

The orb helps, but once the little guys are down, minibossbro isn't much issue, don't stand in stuff, you can also, once aggro is established just leap back around the previous corner (unless you skipped that pack too)

and he'll die following you

[spiral stag]

gotcha, thanks, I'll try that tomorrow

[uneven mason]

Tyrannical week, dudes will fold like wet cardboard compared to now.

[hallow phoenix]

I still like to skip it in tyrannical so I can save an orb for Amarth

Though I think they nerfed that boss?

[compact stump]

there's also an anima thing to aoe silence the whole pack

[naive swan]

Back to this, is there an approximate %haste for this, or is it too situational to judge effective uptime

[hallow phoenix]

That's the orb

[compact stump]

yea, i only read the question and skimmed the answers sry XD

[uneven mason]

Its extremely situational

[naive swan]

Yeah thats what I figured

[uneven mason]

but needless to say, in this tier we will not reach this number.

"Effective uptime" basically means you have it when you need it (are being melee'd/taking blockable damage)

[naive swan]

Should bolster be bumping us up there atm or still too little

[uneven mason]

and there can be gaps, when a mob is casting, if its just spell etc..

Bolster gets close

[naive swan]

Maybe I'm not doing challenging enough content

[uneven mason]

Probably not

folks are underestimating prot something fierce right now.

[naive swan]

Ok good thats what it feels like

[compact stump]

the 2nd most important thing to understanding your abilities, is understanding fight encounters... understanding the ebb and flow of damage in an encounter lets you cycle your abilities so much better

[uneven mason]

then again leaning on bolster for this means we're objectively using one of our major CDs to cover AM uptime

[compact stump]

small shit like that 6 second cast the boss is charging up? don't waste a SB charge

[uneven mason]

which in itself, because of the longer CD last stand has in SL, is bad.

[compact stump]

simple example, but an obvious one

[uneven mason]

yeah, its better to let SB lapse for 1 melee round before a mechanic cast, so you can have 2 charges on deck for when the boss engages again.

[compact stump]

it's all about understanding your toolkit and learning how to best apply it

[uneven mason]

I Mean, HR would have been good for SB uptime, but they nerfed that into the dirt

[compact stump]

applies to all classes, but Warriors take it and perfect it

[fierce tendon]

naw keep that shield block up on cd for that purple parse wid de shield slams

[hallow phoenix]

A nicer example perhaps is Millie Manastorm. If you don't refresh SB during her bomb spawn thing you'll have much more effective uptime during her horrifying buzzsaw ability

[compact stump]

haha

[uneven mason]

More, understanding how your toolkit applies to the situation you're about to face (Be proactive)

[compact stump]

same meaning, better wording

[hallow phoenix]

Small delay of like 1.5 seconds with very impactful result

[sweet abyss]

i'm really torn on starting with thunderlord's or wall for my fresh warrior, what do you guys prefer?

[hallow phoenix]

Never made the wall but I don't raid as prot

[compact stump]

i started TL because I like mashing buttons and I knew I'd be farming M+ like mad to gear my guild

mine as well have some fun in there

was my logic

[naive swan]

I like TL

[compact stump]

my V DH also rocks the "offensive" leg (similar to the TL vs. Wall conundrum warr faces)

and I tank CN perfectly fine

on both

undergeared and tanking heroic? wall would probably be best

short of that, it's ok either way

[sweet abyss]

i guess it almost depends on how high of keys i want to push, yeah it's undergeared compared to main

[naive swan]

How do you guys sim for survivability instead of dps? Is there any way to get even close? Or just go with the discussions on haste and whatnot

[uneven mason]

You can't

[compact stump]

to my knowledge, you can't. our way of simming survivability is reviewing logs

[sweet abyss]

generally on tanks if you want to increase it you just start running higher vers

but there is no way to sim survivability

[naive swan]

Thats something I haven't been doing

[compact stump]

it's a game changer

[naive swan]

Can you go through that

[uneven mason]

because survivability is so variable that by the time you're done writing the script to sim it, the next expansion would be out.

[hallow phoenix]

There used to be tools to emulate survivability (RAWR, etc) but the game was much simpler back then

[uneven mason]

No, stop

[jagged pier]

stop

[uneven mason]

vers has always been a meme

especially for prot warriors

it was an obscene stacking strat for like +30 keys at the end of BFA

[compact stump]

@naive swan upload your logs here -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ and then analyze them here -> <wowanalyzer.com>

[sweet abyss]

that's why i started with "GENERALLY ON TANKS"

[hallow phoenix]

Not in 8.3 :^)

[sweet abyss]

the tanks i played in BFA, that was true

[uneven mason]

But its not even GENERALLY ON TANKS

[urban bane]

In general, do caster adds in the "inside" part of DOS just truck on higher keys? Had a hard time not folding to them on 10+ last week.

[uneven mason]

It was only a thing because of obtuse levels that could be done with corruptions

[naive swan]

Do I track the logs with an addon

[hallow phoenix]

Yes those deathspeaker packs are the most dangerous in the dungeon

[compact stump]

you use the command in game /combatlog ... there's an app from warcraftlogs that will assist in uploading it

[naive swan]

Ah I see

[uneven mason]

Pop all CDs, establish aggro, leap up the stairs out of LOS and run

[night wadi]

Short work day today. Means I can attempt to pug nathria super early and maybe push some keys without healers hating me

[urban bane]

ty, great advice. i'll give that a shot.

[uneven mason]

yeah, really lean on IP for them shadowdamage boys

remember you can get Xternals as well

[compact stump]

don't forget about spell reflect. it's been gone too long, folks sleeping on it

[hallow phoenix]

Spell reflect has been gone?

[uneven mason]

sadly it poofs quick cause of the bolts

[grizzled skiff]

I definitely feel every % vers I get. I prio haste, ofc, but vers is sadly the only itemization option that helps us vs magic dmg.

[uneven mason]

it was kinda "Meh"

[hallow phoenix]

It was very prevalent in bfa

[uneven mason]

for BFA

compared to legion

long CD

iirc

[compact stump]

it's usefulness has been lacking in recent content

[uneven mason]

its pretty snazzy now

hitting traps in HC CN lastnight

[hallow phoenix]

Some bosses were only doable in high enough keys because of SR

[uneven mason]

people are like "O thats a thing"

[sweet summit]

spell reflect was super op in bfa wdym

[compact stump]

i'm not saying it was useless

[uneven mason]

maybie it was just the contrast compared to how OP it was in Legion

[hallow phoenix]

[compact stump]

i'm saying it wasn't as big

it was more niche

now it's more... baseline?

[uneven mason]

"Medivh - luls"

[hardy wasp]

Question, and this may be dumb, just getting my warrior online so I'm a bit late to the party. Is devastator really the go to for row 1? It feels weird not having a filler, and is it close to the others? Because I don't like it haha. (I really only care about M+ if that matters at all)

[naive swan]

What are some top boss mechanics you guys like to spell reflect, anything interesting/not obvious?

[wooden heath]

If I have on 194 pants (72 haste and 47 mastey) and in my vault I got 216 pants (55 haste / 79 mastery) but I also got a 213 weapon (26 crit / 40 mastery) my current weapon is 190 ilevel (19 haste / 37 vers) I should take the weapon right? or do I upgrade the pants?

[naive swan]

I didn't like it either, but yeah its go to

And im fine with it now, saves my thumb on my numpad mouse haha

[uneven mason]

devastate just feels bad 😛

I was sad in BFA when we had to pick between devastator or ITF

[naive swan]

Devastate or devastator? I'm ok not pressing it all the time

[burnt cove]

the point of devastator is that you still have a chance to reset shield slam even when you’re pressing buttons you need to like demo shout, clap, revenge, etc

[naive swan]

Yeah its nice

[hallow phoenix]

Plus it's the only way to get back to back shield slams and relive the Legion days

[burnt cove]

pressing devastate on gcd feels almost as bad as IP on gcd

ptsd worthy

[uneven mason]

IP on GCD bothered me less than having devastate as a button

[hallow phoenix]

I enjoyed the 120+ apm playstyle

[burnt cove]

IP on gcd was so bad i played something else lmao

[hollow blade]

200+ APM is a brewmaster thing

[hallow phoenix]

[hollow blade]

feels so awful playing compared to a prot war

[uneven mason]

Brewmaster has buttons?

I literally thought you just had to auto attack and go make a sammich

[hollow blade]

they have the ability to clench the whole time hoping the healer is awake

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[wooden heath]

If I have on 194 pants (72 haste and 47 mastey) and in my vault I got 216 pants (55 haste / 79 mastery) but I also got a 213 weapon (26 crit / 40 mastery) my current weapon is 190 ilevel (19 haste / 37 vers) I should take the weapon right? or do I upgrade the pants? how hard is it to get a pvp weapon and upgrade it. I saw somewhere that a prot warrior had a 233 weapon already

[hollow blade]

@wooden heath pvp weapon is very simple to get, just takes time to get cap

[wooden heath]

if ive never pvp'd how long will it take me to get it to a viable place to the 213 longer than this week right?

[hollow blade]

if you are completely green behind the ears to pvp, then 1800 might be a bit of a learning curve

[wooden heath]

what does 1800 give me?

[hollow blade]

you can't upgrade conquest gear unless you get rating

[fierce tendon]

1800 is 213 i think

[hollow blade]

i don't know what rating requirements are exactly but i think 1800 for heroic gear

[fierce tendon]

^^

[earnest frost]

blood spattered scale good or bad?

[naive swan]

Yeah 1400 is 207

1600 is 213

I believe

[split patrol]

if i have a 184 blood-splattered scale but my vault is giving me a 216 overwhealing power cyrstal and a 213 hook, which trinket should i use?

[fierce tendon]

I think its cute u can get to 1400 and get 207 when you can push a 14 and get the same shit. But difficulty is waaaay off lol

[naive swan]

Yep pvp is way to go

[fierce tendon]

also you get to choose which 207 piece u get

[wooden heath]

so 2 weeks to get the weapon and how much does it cost to upgrade?

[fierce tendon]

instead of not getting lucky at the 2% chance u have for the piece u want

[fierce tendon]

several thousand honor

[wooden heath]

but honor has no cap in a week right? so conquest is just for the initial buy?

[fierce tendon]

yep

[wooden heath]

oh then I will hold off on weapon and not take one from my vault

[naive swan]

Yep just hoard your honor and upgrade stuff

[still hatch]

Any1 know how good the Viscera of Coalesced Hatred is?

[sick sentinel]

people told me it was trash but i had no other options

so im holding a 220 in my bags

[round vortex]

ty vault lol

ill give up 226 legs for a weapon and being able to trade denathrius weapons lol

BIS named weapon hahaha

[night wadi]

If I plan to pug raid today, should I do timewalking and raid before vault?

Was debating getting conquest to replace this 174 shield, but would hate to immediately get an upgrade too

[uneven mason]

Conquest updates have no cap

so....

[night wadi]

Fair point

Need to actually learn arms so I can pvp i suppose

[digital nova]

oof sanguine for the key

[fierce tendon]

no haste but still pog

[onyx matrix]

Oof

[sick sentinel]

226 shield (i have 213) vs heroic 220 Stone legion heraldry trinket

with avoidance too the trinket

[sweet summit]

shield

yuge

[fierce tendon]

Sheudl

shields block value is worth literal gold

[sick sentinel]

i have really awful trinkets tho

213 and 302

203

and 203 is a dps one

[fierce tendon]

Ngl i have a 200 shield and I would delete my denath trink if it meant I got a 220+ shield

[sick sentinel]

i think imma wait to full clear heroic tonight

and pick after that

maybe i get the 220 shield from generals?

or do i yolo grab shield

[fierce tendon]

Up to u thats a decent line of thinking if ur clearing that boss

[sick sentinel]

yes we full clear

cus if i get the offhand from generals i wasted the 226 shield grab

imma just wait

[placid oar]

Hi guys, hope everyone got something nice from the cache... Pardon the screenshot, but I just opened my vault and hope if you guys can kindly advice on which rings to equip?

i was thinking of using the haste ones

[uneven mason]

uh

[placid oar]

but the new ilvl one seems too high to drop. Am i correct or wrong?

[uneven mason]

I see 2 of the same ring?

[placid oar]

ah damn

sry a moment pls

[midnight burrow]

226 meat hook or 220 weapon

seems easy to me

[placid oar]

this one sry

[uneven mason]

crit is stonk in M+

I'd keep the 226

[digital nova]

same, highest haste and highest ilvl possible

[fierce horizon]

Can someone please explain why some of the top prot warriors in m+ are running signet of tormented kings? i tried looking it up and everything i read says to either run the wall or thunderlords

[placid oar]

ah icic, okay thank you guys

really appreciate the guidiance

[sick sentinel]

@fierce horizon because they run prot m+ raid as arms

Most likely

[fierce horizon]

ahhhhhh ok that makes sense

[sick sentinel]

Thats why u see venthyr prot warrs

[fierce horizon]

tyvm

[sick sentinel]

Sadly this xpac forces u to fall behind on your main leggo if u wanna play OS soooo

[midnight burrow]

whats the latest thinking on the legendarys- I need to either rank 4 my thunderlords or make a rank 3 wall today. I'm mainly M+

[sick sentinel]

Just gotta do m+ with signet

If u mainly m+ r4 thunderlord

[midnight burrow]

ok

[uneven mason]

I prot with signet, AMA

[midnight burrow]

i did switch to ravager bolster though- feels WAYY better for me

[sick sentinel]

I always run that in keys

I just do AM in raid because i use the wall in raid

So low as hell SW cds

Saved me in H sire

[midnight burrow]

the ravager rage and LS tho

[sick sentinel]

With the wall and AM you get like 50 sec cds Shield Wall

For raid ill gladly take that

I still run ravager in raid

Just AM over Bolster

[midnight burrow]

gotcha

r4 for TL it is- I'll build the wall next week

[sick sentinel]

Im going for r4 wall today

Finally

I want to craft the arms gloves for pvp

[vague jetty]

Is the quantum device from de other side perform pretty bad for you guys, 226 in my vault but consideringn ot taking it

[dusty bridge]

^^ also got it in the vault -_-

[vague jetty]

Haven't had the chance to really test it, but just looking at the procs, seems pretty meh

[sick sentinel]

That trinket is a bait, it sims high but the randomness can destroy you. I have dps complaining about it in my guild right now, they use it and it gives healer mana instead of buffing them and shit

Seems like a lot of people got it in the vault this week

[vague jetty]

Yeah I concur with that thought

Other trinket is the sun king trinket in my vault

[sick sentinel]

Screenshot the vault

[vague jetty]

The helm is a pretty big bump but its hast/mast which isn't terrible

my second trinket is 184 so I am considering taking the sun king's for now just as an oh shit trinket. Thought obviously if you don't die it is a waste

[zealous wyvern]

is mastery an okay stat to take?

[sick sentinel]

Those legs are big chungus depending on your ilvl equipped currently

[vague jetty]

213

The helm is 184 haste/vers to 220 hast/mast

Which is pretty huge too

[sick sentinel]

If u have a 184 helm replacing it with a 220 is big

@zealous wyvern haste > vers > mast

[vague jetty]

Basically

[sick sentinel]

I think the IQD is a bait

And wouldnt grab it

[vague jetty]

I feel like I am baiting myself into taking the trinket for safety because i have a 184 IQD at the moment

Yeah not taking that

[sick sentinel]

You can farm 200 ilvl trinkets in m+

[vague jetty]

Considering the other trinket though

[sick sentinel]

That will give u an absorb

Or armor

[vague jetty]

Yeah hakkar trinket is great

[sick sentinel]

You raid today?

If u do, just clear heroic and then pick the item

[vague jetty]

True

[sick sentinel]

Thats what im doing

I really want that heraldry and shield

So if i get eitherr from generals

Im picking the other

[sweet summit]

take the shield

thats yuge

[sick sentinel]

I know the 226 shield seems like a no brainer but i have a 213 so idk. If i get 220 shield from generals i can yoink the heraldry trinket

[tardy sequoia]

guys what do you advise for a player who dies against 3-5 mobs? (2 packs?)

[zealous wyvern]

@sick sentinel got a Big crit/mast ring offered at 226, would replace a 200 vers/mast ring, other option is upgrading a 207 crit/vers belt to a 223 version of the same belt,

nothing has haste on offer

[sweet summit]

imean a 226 shield>a 220 shield

[sick sentinel]

But i have a 200 ilvl dps trinket in one of my slots

[uneven mason]

226 shield

[sick sentinel]

I have 200 dps trinket from key and mythic hunstman trinket on the other

[uneven mason]

13ilvl upgrade on a shield

is bigger than

upgrading the rest of your gear

its literally a no brainer

[sick sentinel]

Correct, but thats not the question

Im taking shield by default

If i dont get the one from generals that is 220 tonight

[uneven mason]

ah

[sick sentinel]

Thats why im waiting

Because if i do get it i can yoink the trinket

[uneven mason]

That is a highly variable question

[sick sentinel]

And have 220 shield, 220 trinket and 226 trinket

[tardy sequoia]

i use Sb when i am actively tanking mobs (almost always in m+)

[uneven mason]

I Mean

the difference between mobs

[tardy sequoia]

use IP in addiction, plus last stand when i'm low health and SW when i know a huge hit incoming

[uneven mason]

3-5 "of what- where"

[sick sentinel]

Caster mobs or melee mobs

[tardy sequoia]

like at the start of sanguine depths or de other side

+7/+8

both types

[sick sentinel]

Ok so the DoS big mobs enrage so u need to kite

[tardy sequoia]

iLvl 197

[sick sentinel]

Unless u got soothe

[uneven mason]

yeah they get scary

[sick sentinel]

Vs the caster packs in DoS you need to dump all your rage into IP

[uneven mason]

Or pop all CDs hit them hard for threat and hten leap out and run

[sick sentinel]

Yep

Just kite

At a 13+ im just kiting

Nonstop

[uneven mason]

Fortified

weeks are rough

[tardy sequoia]

my healer tell me i can't kite because sometimes he doesnt reach me with heals

[sick sentinel]

Even tyrannical weeks i kite

[uneven mason]

have DPS who can interrupt and CC

[tardy sequoia]

my caster guildies tell me to stop moving because they cant cast

[sick sentinel]

Dont kite to narnia, go in dps a bit get aggro, shockwave

[tardy sequoia]

so im always facetanking

[warm plinth]

They can't cast if they're dead either

[sick sentinel]

Slowly move back while staying out kf range

[uneven mason]

Sounds like your healer is a flipperhanded monkey

[sick sentinel]

Not backpeddaling

Healer should be moving with u

[warm plinth]

But yeah, make sure you don't run to Africa, especially on grievous week

[sick sentinel]

So thats on him

[uneven mason]

yeah you leap out to clear range and LOS

but your healer should be aware of where you plan on going to

[limpid pawn]

what do

[uneven mason]

communication is key to get better at M+

[tardy sequoia]

and how to resolve the matter when losing aggro when kiting?

[sick sentinel]

Ravager

Thats why u need to first grab a good chunk of aggro

Before u kite

I very rarely lose aggro when kiting

[warm plinth]

Hypothetically you don't have to kite the rest of the time you're fighting the pack, just until you feel safe going back in

[tardy sequoia]

i dont run ravager in my talent build, i use standard setup

unstoppable force + anger management

i'll try kiting back.. what about magic damage? like nazrudah in NW?

[sick sentinel]

Run ravager bolster in keys

Soooo much nicer

[tardy sequoia]

when little magic damage occurs, i usually spell reflect + interrupt other mob

[ebon hound]

I wouldn't call UF + AM standard at this point

[tardy sequoia]

but continuous casting its a bit of a problem

[tardy sequoia]

well Wowhead calls it standard...

[tardy sequoia]

how does rotation/priority/gameplay changes?

[sick sentinel]

Nothing much

Just use it on cd lol

And you will have last stand like every 3 or 4 packs

[bitter crest]

@limpid pawn Don't take the Trinket.

[ebon hound]

It's fine for lower levels, but you can stay in without kiting a lot longer with Bolster

[tardy sequoia]

ravager?

[sick sentinel]

Ravager use it like on every pack u can

Bunch of rage for IP

And SB

[mental scarab]

how much ivl can we drop on rings for more haste? like 200-207 ring <_< high one dont have haste at all

[tardy sequoia]

and when SB is down?

[sick sentinel]

Ignore pain

[tardy sequoia]

do you run ravager - bolster too?

[ebon hound]

Absolutely

[tardy sequoia]

thanks ill try this build then

[ebon hound]

Give it a try and see if it works better for you 👍

[tardy sequoia]

like SPAM ip?

[sick sentinel]

Dont even worry about revenge unless it procs

Never use IP over block vs melee mobs

But vs casters just spam it

[tardy sequoia]

i know that but it'll procs a bit much lol

[plush pagoda]

need some second opinions

[hallow phoenix]

Weapon

[warm plinth]

Literally no question. Besides shield, weapon will always be your biggest upgrade

[plush pagoda]

ty all

[zealous wyvern]

What's better?

[hallow phoenix]

Ring nets +44 secondaries, belt nets +9 secondaries, +8 str, +11 armor

I'd go ring

[simple mural]

What's going on with your set names?

[hallow phoenix]

Not sure if enchants are included in that calc

[uneven mason]

if it procs its free so no worries.

[zealous wyvern]

leave the set names out of this lol

[simple mural]

👍

[zealous wyvern]

@hallow phoenix Thanky

[mortal brook]

hi prot frends. does spell reflect work on Rip Soul on huntsman 2nd doggo?

[placid oar]

Guys, if I only have access to dungeons and heroic raids, with a want to prog into higher keys. What are the 2 best trinkets I should aim for?

[sweet summit]

hakkar tank trinket and probably like anima field emitter

[placid oar]

Thank you Erga, I’ll aim for those

[placid oar]

I don’t think you can, Steve. Perhaps you can check on the spell reflect Google doc found in the Pins?

[sweet summit]

it doesnt :(

[valid glacier]

Save spell reflect for the just in case sinseaker

You want to cancel that damage more

[mortal brook]

thanks ❤️

[vague jetty]

I mean spell reflect still makes you take less magic damage and the rip soul ability is magic damage, less damage taken makes it easier on the healers to heal the add

[dusty bridge]

how do these affixes look for pushing?

[last yacht]

Hey, does anyone know what happens when you socket a legendary and upgrade it later? Does the socket stay?

[uneven mason]

Let us know?

[lavish oracle]

Tyrannical/Necrotic is always going to be a very bad week for pushing

[mellow patio]

Tyr is buns, inspiring is buns, necrotic is buns

[exotic pewter]

buns? what does that mean?

[lavish oracle]

butts

[mellow patio]

Cheeks

Ass

Shit

[lavish oracle]

booty

[exotic pewter]

oh, bad

[mellow patio]

Rump

[exotic pewter]

so, a terrible week to push keys

[mellow patio]

No tyr week is a great week to push

If you are talking pushing real keys

[lavish oracle]

he is being sarcastic

[exotic pewter]

I wont even try Necrotic Wake this week... Amarath is a pain with tyranical

[mellow patio]

No I’m saying not a single tyr week is good to push lol

[lavish oracle]

I added a comma in my head

[crude heath]

Fortified was pretty gruelling for lower keys

[mellow patio]

Fort weeks are just better for it

[lavish oracle]

I read it as "no, tyr week is a great week to push keys"

[mellow patio]

Ah yes

Nah man you can barely get me to log on for tyr

I’ll do a few this week but I don’t wanna burn

[uneven mason]

Necrotic Tyrannical

At least most bosses this Xpac have a "Break time" in their mechanics

[sweet summit]

leveling alts this week

[uneven mason]

basically

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I'll probably finish my druid this week

still gotta do some keys this week to stay fresh, though

[woven radish]

Haha @sweet summit in the same boat. Hitting up a few keys for vault than gogo warlock all week

[uneven mason]

getting a hunter setup

incase I can't keep raiding as arms, due to 0 buffs, thx to a warrior DPSing on WF kill ><

[chilly brook]

I got my warlock at 59

[fierce tendon]

ele sham seems real fun but gearing mail doesn't seem viable lol

[chilly brook]

Wdym theres millions of hunters lmao

And plenty of resto shamans

[fierce tendon]

just seems harder to come by gear than it has as prot

much harder actually

[uneven mason]

Ele sham suffers from poor ST damage, although I think their BIS lego is available this week

so that might change

I've had a horrible time gearing

[chilly brook]

It's the same chance at gearing

[uneven mason]

no matter what character I'm on this Xpac.

[fierce tendon]

well I usually group with a lot more plate

[chilly brook]

The only difference would be the potential availability of gear trading

[fierce tendon]

trading stuff is easier

[chilly brook]

But again

Hunters and resto shamans are all over the place

[uneven mason]

Yeah I'd say half my gear has been through gear funneling

was running mythics with an all plate group the first 2 weeks

[digital nova]

hunters really are a dime a dozen this tier

[undone jacinth]

could somebody paste me the weekly vault script

[fierce tendon]

yeh I think just opposed to having 2 wars, plate tanks, pally heals dks and rets mail is harder to find but thats just my group, I think we have 1 shaman 1 hunter lol

[exotic pewter]

my raid group its 6 warlocks out of 20 ppl

lmao

and like 1 hunter and 1 sham

[fierce tendon]

locks pump tho and rdps still godly

[uneven mason]

only 2 classes wear mail, neither can be a tank

so

thats why it seems harder

[fierce tendon]

I still wish that dh was mail

[uneven mason]

wouldn't fit the fantasy

[tall mural]

mail tank shaman spec who says no

[uneven mason]

Yeah, bring back Enhancement tank

[fierce tendon]

they need to make some mail tank lol

[uneven mason]

which was a half ass experiment to begin with.

we literally don't need more tanks/melee specs

Like, how many ranged specs have they added to the game

......yeah 0

how many tanks

Every added class has been a tank.

or melee

then they removed a ranged spec

and added a melee

(survival hunter)

[tall mural]

Yeah, they want people to tank though that's why they keep adding them

[digital nova]

^

[uneven mason]

"Maybe people don't play melee more because of variety"

[fierce tendon]

I just think they should've done mail dh to even out class comps and then leave it

4 leather 2 mail now

leather is basically gods gift to being able to trade loot

[uneven mason]

Its like after 15 years they don't understand that people don't play melee more because its harder to get into content as melee

due to - punishing melee mechanics

[tall mural]

You know what will help? Storming

[uneven mason]

"Spiteful, that'll show them casters - oh but lets have them target melee 90% of the time"

[fierce tendon]

Lol last 2 effects have been horrible for melee

[mellow patio]

Speaking of spiteful

[uneven mason]

I love getting trucked for half my health by a random add

[mellow patio]

Anyone else pull all the slimes in PF

[tall mural]

I run with a rogue and honestly there was a dungeon where the spitefuls targeted him at like 80%.

[mellow patio]

That is an absolute prison break

[uneven mason]

lol

[tall mural]

Nah, too much of a bitch. I did half pulls lol.

[fierce tendon]

Mmhm, I was sure they didn't spawn them and took all of them

Easy to aoe down as a group but if u have melee they just sit to the side lmao

[tall mural]

You think that is intentional? I mean they bolstered too. Just feels kind of weird that it exists on that pack.

[fierce tendon]

Theres not a ton of trash in plaguefall so it probably is

Just annoying trash

[night wadi]

Okay, gonna be that guy asking about vault as well

[fervent axle]

The vault only holds pain

[night wadi]

184 -> 207 bracers, 184 -> 200 chest (losing haste), 174 -> 200 shield (instead of grinding conquest)

I was thinking about the bracers since I can also upgrade the pvp shield if I want. Doesn't seem worth losing that much haste for the chest

[uneven mason]

shield

[warm blaze]

is choosing a weapon upgrade from vault over another piece gonna be most beneficial in most cases? 200 -> 216 ilvl but haste vers -> crit mast

[uneven mason]

16ilvls would be worth

quite a bit

ok so the "Haste > Vers=>Crit > mastery" thing

doesn't mean, sacrifice a ton of ilvl to keep haste

[torn gulch]

is at the same ilvl or close ilvl in case of necks rings

[uneven mason]

on armor pieces (anything with armor and str) you're going to want to go with item level

its like 3-5ilvl on rings and neck

and equal ilvl prioritize haste

otherwise ilvl > all

[torn gulch]

i play with a 200 ilvl neck instead of a 213 neck

[night wadi]

So you say raid shield instead of conquest shield?

[torn gulch]

because the 200 neck has 4% haste

[warm blaze]

okay that makes sense, so if i have 196 shoulders and can grab 216 shoulders, would that be worth it over grabbing the +16ilvl wep?

[uneven mason]

Actually if you're close to getting the conquest for the PVP shield

you can skip it

[strong forum]

on ring and neck, there are exceptions to the ilvl rule because of the lack of Mainstat and Armor

[uneven mason]

since conquest shield is 200

[torn gulch]

and 500 more hp helps me less than 4% haste

[night wadi]

Yeah I only have 165 conquest, but shield is only 450

[torn gulch]

in my opinion

[night wadi]

So I figure that wouldn't be terrible to grind

[uneven mason]

🤷‍♂️ get to it 😛

that said, probably the chest

since chest has a ton more stats than bracers

[night wadi]

Yeah that is what I wasn't sure on. It was just the concern of haste loss

[strong forum]

ilvl > stats

[torn gulch]

yes these are big ilvl differences

always ilvl in this case

[strong forum]

it really depends on what kind of content you can do

tbh

[night wadi]

That is my struggle lol. I am planning on doing both raiding and M+. Last week was my first time going raid as tank and we went 10/10. But our off-tank is back this week, so I am pugging

[warm blaze]

whats the prio when it comes to weapon/armor piece? can get 16ilvl upgrade for wep, or 20 ilvl from shoulder, im assuming wep gonna be the way to go?

[strong forum]

depends on availability Marky

can you get an weapon of said ilvl easily or not

can you get a shoulder on said ilvl easy or not

what ilvl are we talking here

[warm blaze]

216

[strong forum]

weapon

[warm blaze]

both wep and shoulder would be 216

[torn gulch]

yea it's kinda hard to get a weapon at that ilvl

now

[strong forum]

you cant get higher than 210 weapon from anywhere but weekly, pvp and mythic raid

or well, last 2 bosses HC raid

[uneven mason]

TFW the warrior stuff

[strong forum]

if you cant do those, pick weapon

[torn gulch]

you need either 1800 rating, heroic last 2 bosses or vault luck

or mythic raid

[open monolith]

got 220 Haste/Crit chest piece, upgrade from 184

feelsgood

[warm blaze]

alright definitely going with weapon, thanks for the help guys

[hallow phoenix]

What ilvl is 1800 rating

[torn gulch]

220

[strong forum]

220

[hallow phoenix]

226?

Oof

[torn gulch]

2100 ius 226

[strong forum]

easy enough if you ask me

[hallow phoenix]

And like 2400 for 233?

[strong forum]

2400 for 233 weapon

[torn gulch]

for a chance at 233

[strong forum]

2100 for 226 across the board

[hallow phoenix]

That's bananas

[torn gulch]

is it 100% at 2400?

[hallow phoenix]

I should pvp

[strong forum]

well, droprate isnt

but if you are to get a weapon from weekly vault

it will be 233

if youre 2400

[torn gulch]

yea pvp is actually a decent source of gear

this time around

[strong forum]

pvp is top tier

[sweet summit]

thought i saw someone upgrade a weapon to 233

[hallow phoenix]

Is prot pvp a thing again?

[strong forum]

for gearing

[torn gulch]

you get 1600 and you have heroic gear

[strong forum]

i think you can also just upgrade

to 233

[sweet summit]

yeh

[strong forum]

tbh

anywho

its free loot

way better than fucking m+ or heroic raid

[mellow patio]

But then I have to expose myself as bad at pvp

[strong forum]

for WAY less effort

better than mythic raid even

since its guaranteed

[sweet summit]

just buy a boost 5head

[torn gulch]

i think pvp in SL if it stays like this will be a very worthwhile activity to do

[strong forum]

its the single best source of loot in the game right now

[torn gulch]

i am kinda shit in arenas but i know some things about rbg's so i hope to get decent rating there

to get decent pvp gear

[open monolith]

20 stam 30 avoidance, or 30 stam for cloak?

[hallow phoenix]

Oooh I didn't even consider rbgs

[uneven mason]

They realized (Like in TBC) Gear is a great motivator

[torn gulch]

yep

i rarely play rated pvp but i started to take it more seriously in SL

[hallow phoenix]

I only ever pvped in wrath

Good ol african turtle cleave

[uneven mason]

They probably saw what was happening on WoW Classic and were like "WOW Like everyone PVPS here, whats going on!!!!!"

[torn gulch]

oh the sweet days of block value prot warrior in pvp

[uneven mason]

and then they realized

[torn gulch]

with one shot shield slams

[open monolith]

best cloak enchant?

[uneven mason]

Oh because there is ACTUAL MEASURABLE REWARDS FOR DOING IT

[strong forum]

avoidance

[hallow phoenix]

Speed*

Vroom

[strong forum]

its free 2.3% aoe dmg reduction

[uneven mason]

unlike, say, every PVP season since Cataclysm prepatch

[hallow phoenix]

vroom

[wintry jetty]

soooo, how horible are the affixes this week? :p

[uneven mason]

🤮

[strong forum]

amazingly terrible

[torn gulch]

inspiring necrotic tyr?

well

[strong forum]

worst week so far

[uneven mason]

like going down a balsawood slide with no pants on.

[strong forum]

think of Theatre of Pain

[torn gulch]

for tanks probably yes

[strong forum]

first boss

🙂

[hallow phoenix]

Don't need aoe damage reduction when you're kiting every single mob

[strong forum]

its also cancer for groups Ivan

[hallow phoenix]

Better to go fast

[strong forum]

you cant interrupt groups

that have inspiring

🙂

[lavish oracle]

I mean, gotta burn down melee mob for sure

[strong forum]

have fun dying because its immune to interrupt

[trim imp]

what are stat prios for prot warrior

[torn gulch]

well it's time to bring the season 3 strats

from bfa

[wintry jetty]

I'm already depressed about next week I think 😦

[uneven mason]

gotta have a big brain DPS kite the inspiring dude away

[open monolith]

you can just frost trap the inspiring mob

[wintry jetty]

might give up 😛

[trim imp]

haste, vers?

[open monolith]

can't you?

[torn gulch]

in separating emisary from packs

[lavish oracle]

You can hard CC inspiring mobs

[strong forum]

season3 strat was knocking the CC immunity mob away Ivan 🙂

[hallow phoenix]

Yes you can cc inspiring

[strong forum]

for 20sec

[open monolith]

inspiring is free if it is on a mob that can be trapped

no?

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

Time sink but free

[strong forum]

pretty sure the mob itself is also CC immune no?

[open monolith]

no

[amber herald]

time for menace to shine? (lol)

[hallow phoenix]

It's nit

[torn gulch]

nope

[dense umbra]

Can I PVP as prot or am I wasting everyone’s time

[open monolith]

you can trap / sap / paralyze

[strong forum]

waste of time

[open monolith]

as long as the mob is, itself, not immune

[torn gulch]

otherwise the affix would've beencompletely garbage

[strong forum]

tanks dont belong in pvp

[dense umbra]

Yep ok

[strong forum]

it is already completely garbage

[open monolith]

so inspiring isn't a problem, but im not happy about necrotic

[lavish oracle]

PvP as arms for gear

[open monolith]

D:

[torn gulch]

i pvp'd as prot in 3vs 3

being a bodyguard bot

[strong forum]

watch the Inspiring add not be CCable because the mob its on is not CCable by default

🙂

[lavish oracle]

That'd blow

[strong forum]

but hey, im sure Necrotic Tyrannical Bosses have been THOROUGHLY tested on Beta

right?

[torn gulch]

we're gonna have to experience firsthand

RIGHT?

[strong forum]

literally a weekly no leaver week

[torn gulch]

kekw

[lavish oracle]

Good thing like every tank is Kyrian, at least

[strong forum]

do 1 14/15 and piss off

[torn gulch]

like every week except first was a weekly no leaver

=))))

[amber herald]

kyrian dwarf week

[strong forum]

na

spiteful week was a good week

[open monolith]

yeah spiteful was easy

[strong forum]

the other tyra week was kind of fine

[open monolith]

anyone that disagree is stupid

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, spiteful was fine

[torn gulch]

yea with like triple ranged or 2 ranged one melee

[strong forum]

spiteful is shit

[lavish oracle]

Sucks for melee

[strong forum]

but the week itself was fine

to push

nobody brings melee anyway

cuz theyre dogshit

not a solution

just a fact

[lavish oracle]

Lots of people bring rogue

[torn gulch]

yea imagine wanting to play melee and blizzard telling me to unninstal the game

[limpid pawn]

lol, but if you call melee dogshit

[torn gulch]

thank you blizzard

[limpid pawn]

you realize they are claling prot wars the same right

[strong forum]

yes

all tanks are shit

big news

[shrewd bronze]

Guys, do you think the wall legendary is a must for raids or is thunderlord good enough? Cuz I need to choose which to craft now

[torn gulch]

and imagine i want to tank and i have to play this amazing kiting game

[strong forum]

youre not a tank

youre a kiter

every tank is

how is that not dogshit

[torn gulch]

i want to puke

[strong forum]

TL is good enough

[torn gulch]

tank fantasy

[strong forum]

both legendaries are perfectly fine to play in m+ and raid, the wall is just slightly better for raid

[shrewd bronze]

ty, which is the recommended slot people are going for and what stats please if you don't mind?

[strong forum]

whatever tbh

both slots offer same stats

most people craft boots

[shrewd bronze]

haste vers?

[torn gulch]

legs offer more armor actually

[strong forum]

ye

[torn gulch]

for TD

[strong forum]

there are no legs

for TL

[torn gulch]

feet

[strong forum]

only gloves and boots

[torn gulch]

sorry

i tend to confuse them

[shrewd bronze]

Right, thanks folks

Crafting mine now

[strong forum]

boots are like 6 more armor total at 235

and 1 secondary stat

aka literally irrelevant

[torn gulch]

yea i have rank 4 TD boots

[strong forum]

apparently

[torn gulch]

and tommorow will have rank 1 wall

[strong forum]

ill have wall r3 next week!

i think

ye

[shrewd bronze]

I have very good gloves (226) so I'll go with boots anyway