protection

[lavish oracle]

Our gear is scaling very quickly, yeah

[uneven mason]

brandmeta

[deft vessel]

DH is at the top because damage

¯_(ツ)_/¯

they're almost entirely uncapped

[uneven mason]

yarp

here we are with a 2.5target TC

😢

[fierce tendon]

still don't get selective capping

seems like an oversight

[lavish oracle]

I don't understand capping tank threat abilities

[fierce tendon]

especially when it hits melee harder than ranged and melee already does less dps due to mechanics

[lavish oracle]

Like rushing jade wind

[deft vessel]

I understand the capping in general very little

I mean

you could make some argument about it limiting half dungeon pulls (like in Legion) and/or designing dungeons differently

but then

why isn't everything capped? why is it applied so selectively?

[lavish oracle]

They just hate mass pulls in M+ for some reason

[uneven mason]

WHy cap half the tanks and not the other half

[fierce tendon]

exactly its specifically targeting abilities and classes

which makes no sense

[deft vessel]

what are the most popular specs? vengeance (ucnapepd) prot pally (uncapped) druid (biggest ability uncapped), fire mage (uncapped), balance druid (uncapped), unholy DK (sort of uncapped, not super relevant for them at all)

I WONDER WHY THEY ARE POPULAR IN THE AOE CONTENT

🤔

[chilly brook]

I mean we're not capped either

[fierce tendon]

blizz doesn't listen to beta testers

[heady plaza]

Technically mm hunters are one of the most popular

[uneven mason]

isn't barrage uncapped?

[lavish oracle]

We're soft capped, mostly

[heady plaza]

I dont see many mm running barrage

[uneven mason]

we're soft capped and our abilities deal feather duster damage to begin with besides SS

[chilly brook]

And our biggest AoE damage baseline isn't even soft capped

[deft vessel]

we are not "technically capped" but we are practically still capped, we have no skill that does full damage beyond 8 targets, the only one taht hits 8 targets for full damage is ravager, everytihng else deals reduced damage beyond 5

[uneven mason]

its just capped

[deft vessel]

including night fae and kyrian

[chilly brook]

uhh revenge?

[deft vessel]

why is dh kyrian sigil uncapped but spear capped?

etc

[fierce tendon]

isn't revenge capped?

[deft vessel]

revenge deals reduced damage beyond 5? what's your point?

[uneven mason]

Because the dude that devs for DH, also plays one

[chilly brook]

Hasn't stopped me from pumping

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fierce tendon]

when I read about how ppl who don't even play the spec writes it

[deft vessel]

how is that relevant to the conversation lol

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, we're basically universally soft capped to 5

[fierce tendon]

very sad

[uneven mason]

But is it, 72% uptime on DS pumping Griff?

[chilly brook]

😦

[uneven mason]

THOUGHT SO

[chilly brook]

I miss thatr

[uneven mason]

BE sad with us

[deft vessel]

lul

[chilly brook]

A lot

[deft vessel]

but hey, they gave the better anger management to pally

🙃

[chilly brook]

Eh

[fierce tendon]

we got bolster anyways

[chilly brook]

Their "AM" is literally just for damage tbh

[uneven mason]

I thought htats what ours was for

did I miss something

[chilly brook]

Like yes it works for their defensives

But the only time you take it is for more wings

[deft vessel]

I mean, yes, but point still stands

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's not even the best on that row

at least not the most commonly used, the way anger management was for us in bfa for example

[chilly brook]

tfw they nerf AM and make it our legendaries

[fierce tendon]

'I made this for you'

oh thanks

[deft vessel]

I think currently sanctified wrath is just the best in all scenarios cus more holy power == more deeps

[eternal pilot]

have you guys gone ahead with thunderlord for m+, seeing a lot of higher raider.io prot wars with the wall?

[deft vessel]

I use thunderlord personally

I'll level up both eventually once soul ash allows me, rank 3 thunderlord, rank 1 the wall right now

[fierce tendon]

Think most are going with wall since soul ash is hard to get rn, but yeah thunderlord is good for m+

[chilly brook]

likely because they tank raids as well

[silver trout]

glad to see im not alone with not liking AOE tanking rn

[chilly brook]

And The Wall is good even in M+

[deft vessel]

it is indeed

just use whatever you like better i suppose

[uneven mason]

TL will give you more overall damage

[chilly brook]

On the topic from earlier I do agree there shouldn't be caps it's dumb

[deft vessel]

I don't raid much (yet), but I do a fair chunk of M+

so i went thunderlord

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fierce tendon]

just not one of the dogshit leggos (almost all of them]

[fallow mortar]

we get 1250 a week now, how is it hard to get O.o

[chilly brook]

Uh it's 1140 a week

[fierce tendon]

well I'd take a 235 wall over a 190 thunderlord

[chilly brook]

570 both sides

[fierce tendon]

anyday

[deft vessel]

i kind of want to love the avatar/recklessness/bladestorm one

[fallow mortar]

I had 1250 in my head for some reason, ty

[chilly brook]

I would if it worked with ravager

[uneven mason]

I tank using it because I'm main spec arms, and I forget to swap it

[deft vessel]

definitely something I want to craft at some point soon lol

I wish it did, would've been fun lol

[uneven mason]

yeah but "Fun detected"

Prot and arms ravagers are 2 diff spells

[deft vessel]

but as someone else pointed out, ravager replaces bladestorm on arms, which is why it works for them

still, would've been cool

I'm still hoping 😄

[uneven mason]

It won't happen

[deft vessel]

let me dream okay ;-;

[uneven mason]

after the last half of BFA they're not going to buff prot in any meaningful way to make us fun

[grand drum]

Gathering storm worked for prot but not arms

[uneven mason]

strong yes, but not fun

Warriors are currently in the garbo dept for DPS specs because of how popular warriors get when we're good AND fun.

Fury is fun

but not good

Prot is good, but not fun (for most people)

arms is "meh" and "meh"

[fierce tendon]

Always noticed dps war gets way better later into expacs when u can really get stats

[uneven mason]

that isn't true

[deft vessel]

prot is fun for me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

because there isn't a mechanic that scales us anymore

and for me, Diruuo, but most people find it harder to play and boring, IDK.

"Warriors scale well" is a meme that has to stop being uttered, because I assure you, some dev at blizzard thinks its true.

[silver trout]

i've always like prot for tanking, over most other classes except brewmaster

its always had a good feel to it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

Yeah, very good feel of hitting things with car doors

❤️ some prot

Brewmaster is like the complete reverse "I press buttons and nothing happens"

[silver trout]

i haven't played it this exp... it was fun in legion and warlords

[uneven mason]

Course now its "they took away my buttons so now #itsahealerproblem"

[silver trout]

😐

bummer

[fierce tendon]

I just wanted to make sure but the last 3 final raids of bfa legion and wod had a dps war in top 3-4 spot by the end

which means something right

[uneven mason]

Yes, because they buffed us

or they put in borrowed power systems

I mean, BFA we were not bad for DPS, Legion we started out weak until they finally figured out what direction they wanted to take us

and set bonuses

and capped artifact traits

[fierce tendon]

I miss sets

tiers

[uneven mason]

(borrowed power)

[fierce tendon]

😩

having cool ass class sets instead of generalized gear

[deft vessel]

i mostly miss the tmogs lol

[silver trout]

valid

[deft vessel]

the actual mechanics of obtaining tier sets in a world with no master loot is a pain in the behind

unlucky? welp, no tier set bonuses for you for months

[fierce tendon]

I also miss master loot lmao

[deft vessel]

or even worse, wearing LFR gear as a heroic/mythic raider because it completes a tier set bonus (the situation for my shaman back in legion for a bit)

[fierce tendon]

feels like with the reduced loot you get crap slices sometimes

cloaks like uldir

[deft vessel]

I've genuinely been struggling with loot

I'm at something like 750 or so r.io and haven't even broken 200 ilvl in bags yet

[fierce tendon]

I'm 208 rn but doing pvp is so much more profitable for ilvl than doing m+

literally the difficulty of getting a 207 piece from being 1400 and doing 15s is absolutely retarded

[deft vessel]

yeah most of my gameplay is m+ so the reduced loot is boning me hard, there's no bad luck protection, no catch up, no nothin

[uneven mason]

My warrior (Fury) was wearing 915 LFR gloves while in mythic Antorus because it completed the set and the grubby Master looter kept awarding the gloves from our HC runs to alts, then had the gaul to hit me with "Well you're still in the top 3 for damage most of the time so you obviously don't need them"

[fierce tendon]

LOL^

[uneven mason]

😡

[fierce tendon]

get owned

[deft vessel]

waw, well sod that guy

that's not how you prioritize loot lol

[fierce tendon]

I wouldn't miss master loot if my guild did that

[uneven mason]

Took 2 titan forged relics in 1 run as well that greedy ass

but that was long ago

I should be less salty about it.

Because personal loot is doing the same thing to everyone now

"Oh you came here looking for a weapon? How about a nice vers mastery ring, we all like rings, you seem to be collecting them, I see 7 in your bags right now"

[chilly brook]

So watching one of the guys in my guild do an 11 Sanguine Depths

Lmao

Bruh

He can't face tank the ticks/big boi pack before the boss

Had to kite the whole thing

[uneven mason]

SOunds like fun and engaging content.

[chilly brook]

I facetanked it on a 13

[deft vessel]

on week 1 of mythic I got 3!!!!!!!! rings in ONE RUN of theater of pain

the only ring i did not get was the one with haste

[chilly brook]

I mean not disparaging the guy, it just really puts into perspective that DH isn't top because of their ability to actually tank

[uneven mason]

didn't he know not to stand still unless he has meta up

[deft vessel]

having heard a havoc DH dash past me just now I came to the realization how much I dislike the way they sound when dashing

haven't heard that in a bit

nothing like a mighty heroic leap

[tall mural]

you just need the realization that you shouldn't have one in your party next

[deft vessel]

I don't think I've ran with a demon hunter in....a bit?

definitely can't recall the last time

the one that I just heard simply dashed past me in oribos

unrelated - I am consistently bothered about my inability to properly sim my character seeing as I primarily do mythic+, yes, dungeons are too diverse so they don't lend themselves well to simulations, but still

simming patchwerk 5 min fights seems somehow wrong, if I'm primarily doing m+

though to be fair with the scarcity of gear simming is not super relevant for me anyway

[uneven mason]

do 5 target cleave

[deft vessel]

it's just...I wish I had a better way to sim for my mythic+ gear

[uneven mason]

🤷‍♂️

[gray spear]

is there a thread or pin somewhere that discuss the best prot trinkets for m+?

[fossil summit]

what shadowghast legendary piece do you guys use for prot? does it matter?

like shoulders/Chest or whatever

[deft vessel]

the wowhead and icy veins guides discuss a fair few of the trinkets, should give you a good idea

[deft vessel]

the commonly accepted slot for The Wall is Shoulders, the commonly accepted slot for Thunderlord is Boots, the commonly accepted slot for the recklessness/avatar/bladestorm power is Ring

[fossil summit]

what is the fastest way to grind Thunderlord from SoA? Can I get them from normal?

[deft vessel]

yes, spamming heroics is fastest probably

spam mythic+ if you can

drop rate goes higher with difficulty

[fossil summit]

its the third boss?

[deft vessel]

yes

[fossil summit]

I remember when I played hunter there were 5-hunter farming custom groups for Mists of Tirma Scithe that would spam the dungeon over and over in normal, are there such groups for Thunderlord?

[deft vessel]

Maybe? I dunno, I spammed heroic line a lunatic in second heroic week (once they uncapped heroic)

did my one mythic both weeks

didn't get it

[fossil summit]

Do you think a very well geared Prot Warrior could solo normal dungeons?

[deft vessel]

not worth the effort if you could

[chilly brook]

Why would you

[deft vessel]

just spam heroics, it's the fastest

[fossil summit]

yeah it would be hella long

[chilly brook]

Just do a m0 or do it in M+

It's practically almost a guarenteed drop in those tbh

[deft vessel]

yeah, definitely do mythic0 first, and mythic+ if you can

if you can't, then spam heroics, but spamming m+2 even is higher drop rate

[fossil summit]

can I do M0 multiple times?

[uneven mason]

no

+2 yo ucan though

do +2 and +3

ez pz

the difficult difference is unnoticeable

[uneven mason]

I wouldn't suggest bothering, just queuing up and chaining it would be fine.

BUt some dungeons yeah probably

[sick sentinel]

i've found SD and spires to be push over dungeons

have alot of trouble with trash in PF, NW is sometimes risky

mixed feeling on other side, seems like it could be complicated in high keys 15 20+s

[fossil summit]

how does prot warrior do in Torghast? I've only done layer one as of now and the final boss wasn't even able to scrape my HP bar

[sweet summit]

youre immortal

[craggy harness]

Except for a few days ... two weeks ago, yes.

[night wadi]

I did layer 3 last night and it was easy, but slow and boring lol

[fossil summit]

and uh, is it just me or I often outdmg DPS warriors especially in multi-target situations

[craggy harness]

if you think its easy, just speed through it until you die once

[night wadi]

Am I better off trying to push my keystone, or torghast for the week? I only have like 3 or 4 hours to play tonight. 190 ilvl, highest key this week is +4, and I only have about 500 soul ash

[craggy harness]

to be honest.

don't full clear the easy levels lol

[jagged pier]

i mean soul ash you cant catch up on

[night wadi]

Thats true. I havent looked into the mechanic much so I wasnt sure if you could just grind

[uneven mason]

layer 8 tickles a bit until you get 2 or 3 powers in, by floor 4 you're pulling entire sections at once while staying 100% HP

[uneven mason]

If its fury, yeah probably

They're about as bad as you can be as a DPS

[night wadi]

It makes me sad inviting 185+ fury warriors and not seeing them break 2k

[uneven mason]

Well I know they're in a bad spot

but thats just bad players

[night wadi]

Oh I know

[verbal rapids]

Anyone got any good tips/advice for Lady Darkvein as prot warrior?

[uneven mason]

spell reflect

[proper haven]

Does sword and board effect devastator hits?

[uneven mason]

?

[verbal rapids]

spell reflect only does so much

[storm nexus]

is there any downside to taking a pvp set in to tank m+ as prot?

[uneven mason]

of the PVP talent

no Wottle

stats are stats

[storm nexus]

aite cool

ty

[uneven mason]

I mean, it was a very vague question, Meaty, what exactly are you having problems with?

[verbal rapids]

the amount of magic damage i am taking seems insane

[uneven mason]

has log?

[verbal rapids]

ya

one sec

[storm nexus]

pumping ignore pain on cooldown? spell reflect has long cd but it also reduces damage taken by 20% if you dont reflect anythign

sometimes stack them both and reduces big magic hits

[uneven mason]

SR will stop her debuff from stacking (The tank swap mechanic)

[sweet summit]

you cant spell reflect inerva anymore

[uneven mason]

waat

[sweet summit]

but it still works as a dr

[uneven mason]

RIP

[tall mural]

Yeah, hotfixed

[uneven mason]

Fun detected

[verbal rapids]

ya the stacks you get no matter what

[fossil summit]

so do you guys run punish or Devastator

[sweet summit]

devastator

[verbal rapids]

dev

[fossil summit]

ok thats what Im running

[storm nexus]

would punish be better ontyrannical weeks and specifically raid bosses?

or is dev better all the time

[sweet summit]

not really

devastator is just better overall

punish might be better in very specific scenarios

[opaque marlin]

Does anyone else get their ass beat by trash in low level keys? I'll even use last stand with bolster talented at the start of a melee heavy pull and I'm still going down to like 40% health super fast.

[hard timber]

I am not 150 or good and i can at least consistently break that in AOE

single-target I'm like 1.5k typically

[untold raptor]

what stats are prio for m+ haste>vers>crit or haste>crit>vers

[mighty valley]

what's your ilvl? what level of keys?

[untold raptor]

Ty

[jagged pier]

its not crit vers for m+

theres to much magic damage

vers is more valuble

[steel mauve]

Ilvl >>> haste >> vers>=crit > mastery

[ionic fern]

Either work.

Crit is more RNG but still valuable.
Vers is stable.

[deft vessel]

I'm honestly curious why mastery sims so high

[night wadi]

Sorry I meant for single target

[ionic fern]

People forget that in BfA we had a TON of mastery via BoM so it lost some value in sims.

[deft vessel]

well no, I haven't forgotten that

it just still strikes me as odd

[verbal rapids]

@uneven mason here is the wow analyzer of one of the better pulls: https://www.wowanalyzer.com/report/L83M4RqtgVAnbHDP/15-Heroic+Lady+Inerva+Darkvein+-+Wipe+12+(4:25)/Meatybarrel/standard

[ionic fern]

Why tho @deft vessel ?

[hard timber]

Mwahi when are you gonna pull the BFA patch updates out of the prot war guide

[ionic fern]

?

[opaque marlin]

@mighty valley - I'm 190. +2s are ok, but 4+ are a huge problem.

[finite prairie]

Anyone else finding the layer 8 Mort Regar wing waaaay harder than the rest? I've breezed through the other 3 layer 8's browsing reddit with one hand but I'm getting stomped in this one

[deft vessel]

it's more that I feel the "perpetually" effective stats are just generally better, and In my mind the mastery firstly contributes to block

[mighty valley]

hmmmmm you really should be ok at that gear level for those keys. what are you pressing on pull?

[deft vessel]

of course it also contributes to attack power

so it's mostly my head that's wrong

[opaque marlin]

@mighty valley - yeah, normally as I'm charging in. I feel very smooshy, but always last stand, demo shout, shield block, spell reflect, and ignore pain as often as possible....

[jagged pier]

you shouldnt be doing them as aften as possible

like if you have bolster and LS up you dont need to press SB

[hard timber]

I know you're actually updating it but seeing BFA stuff heading sections kinda gives the impression it's stale

[jagged pier]

and I always just refresh SB when i run out instead of stack it

[hard timber]

So i was wondering if you were waiting for something in particular to replace/remove that bit or what

[finite prairie]

You need to charge the correct mob. Preferably a caster and interrupt. You need a group that is interrupting. And it needs to be the correct thing being interrupted. Spell damage is most of the chunk huts you take.

[jagged pier]

should be using SW and LS to cover SB downtime

[mighty valley]

if you've got SB up, the biggest culprits could either be accidentally not facing all the mobs, or casters are getting big spells off

or you're taking a normal amount of damage and your healer isn't keeping up, heh

very hard to tell without seeing logs or whatever

[opaque marlin]

I'm not overlapping them, I'm just saying I'm not sitting there with no def on then like "why am I taking so much damage?"

I even use the stupid hakkar trinket

Yeah getting logs setup today

[hard timber]

warriors is voodoo anyway

[opaque marlin]

Someone ran one for me the other day and I was mitigating about 65%

But I don't know what normal is

[hard timber]

You have to take the orientation and phase of various planets into account when driving

[night wadi]

What is the best way to run these logs? Also I noticed in Mists that if we use the night fae shortcut, the first group after the little mobs absolutely slaps my ass

[sweet summit]

ya thats a lust pack tbh

[ionic fern]

That's not supposed to be there, i had removed that ages ago. o.o Will look into it.

[finite prairie]

anyone having a disproportionately hard time with the mort regar wing of torghast?

[night wadi]

Oh MDT shows not to skip

[sick sentinel]

Does Sweeping Strikes cleave autos?

[night wadi]

I normally do an extra pack of worms after last boss

[sweet summit]

#arms but no it does not

[finite prairie]

Slapping layer layer 8's no problem no deaths but can't get past floor 2 in this one

[sick sentinel]

oops sorry I thought I clicked arms lol

[fossil summit]

do LF Draenei Prot Warriors typically use their Light's Judgement (Orbital Strike)?

I usually do because it does bonkers AoE dmg but I'm still curious

[night wadi]

MDT won't load mists, but I assume you know what I mean

This one

[tepid nest]

where can I get piercing verdict from?

still got an ilvl 145 one

[sweet summit]

world boss

[night wadi]

First pack you pull after using the night fae skip. It absolutely slaps my ass. Even when I was like 175ish in a +2 I basically got 1 shot. Do I just need to pop SW as I go in?

[tepid nest]

how significant are the upgrades?

[sweet summit]

or calling

[uneven mason]

Don't they spawn with enrages?

[night wadi]

Uhh not sure honestly

Id have to check mythic trap for their independence side

Indepth

[shut summit]

soucleaver does soul split cast, hits for ~20k on +15, also does stacking debuff that increases dmg taken by 20%

stun them like 2-3sec into the pull, syncs up their cast, use reflect when stun ending

then 11-12 sec later they cast it again, have LS or SW up for it

[uneven mason]

and have a healer who is quick on dispelling

[night wadi]

Ah okay, I will be sure to do that. One of our guildies runs as a mistweaver, so I usually try to bring him so I know my healer

[deft vessel]

lfg is so aggravating nowadays meh

[hard timber]

Just be thankful there isn't room to list your required talent build and soulbinds

[jagged pier]

always has been like that XD

[hard timber]

This is Balanced™️

but tbh if something sims 1% better then there is no room for variation, people are going to ask for it explicitly in the majority of groups

[ionic fern]

Unfortunately.
"Need a DH tank for this +5 cause i saw that a DH timed a +20".

[night wadi]

Yeah basically lol

[hard timber]

This is the evolution of "Need [higher ilvl than drops in instance], link achieve"

If it ain't broke, then fix it pls omg I can't do this unless I am game-breakingly OP

[bold comet]

So I'm not a "high" key pusher but in around 10-12 max range. Anyone have any gameplay from high keys for me to watch? I'm starting to feel like to push as prot warrior you simply MUST have a badass healer.

[deft vessel]

LUL

he blocked me

[eternal musk]

how fast is that soulcleaver cast its really fast huh so time reflect as soon as shockwave wears off @shut summit

[chilly brook]

Not to be that guy

But do your own keys

[deft vessel]

he has a r.io of 549, his highest mists was a 7 (not on time), he's ilvl 201 (in bags) and he was asking (in description) for ilvl 205+ for a mists 11

[chilly brook]

Boost your io

At some point people stop ignoring you

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I still have keys that haven't even been a 10

[eternal musk]

@bold comet u can watch some of @shut summit on youtube

hes been pushing high keys

in that range

i know man

its hard 11-12 is rough

[chilly brook]

Been doing that range and I feel fine

[eternal musk]

right now for me heh

[split wyvern]

Any tips on gearing fast? M0s and PvP?

[chilly brook]

I'm intending to start recording some runs either today or tomorrow and doing some breakdowns both for my benefit and those in this discord

[bold comet]

Ty I'll check it out! I really just feel like sheild wall needs to be on a 3 minute cd WITHOUT conduit help

[chilly brook]

A lot of your success is going to be down to your group tbh

A 14 can be as easy as a 7 if you have the right players

[eternal musk]

true

[chilly brook]

If not you're gonna get slammed by mechanics that they're failing

I.e. not kicking tank busters

[night wadi]

@split wyvern find a "chill" group. I got into an M0 Halls at 151 and got a few pieces from there. Skipped heroics entirely

[eternal musk]

i.e. deathspeaker pack

rip prot warrior

[chilly brook]

RIP anyone

[eternal musk]

hahaha

true

[chilly brook]

If you dont get kicks there you're dead

[bold comet]

Also the spear of bastion conduit upgrade "sorry I don't know name off top of my head" the only way to get that drop is from the world boss?

[split wyvern]

I did that on my bear and DK straight fresh 60

[hard timber]

I am p much gonna live in chill groups and LFR for a while tbh

[chilly brook]

Death speaker pack is you either have CDs or you skip it and come back

[fossil summit]

can a prot warrior solo mythic antorus?

[split wyvern]

I feel a little squishy though BDK felt terrible and that’s with many years of experienced play

[chilly brook]

Yea blood is squish

Very squish

And punishing

I tried rolling blood for my guild it lasted 2 weeks

[hard timber]

Everyone in my guild that went DK is rerolling or changing to DPS

[eternal musk]

lmao

[night wadi]

My gm loves bdk

[split wyvern]

I’ve played BDK it since beta wrath and was my main im just not into the class anymore. Tried it

[chilly brook]

It doesnt work with how content is designed anymore imo

[eternal musk]

i have a prot warrior and brewmaster let me tell u prot warriors r fun as hell compared to that boring shit

[hard timber]

DK has changed a lot since Wrath

[split wyvern]

I know it has

[chilly brook]

And DH is a far better tank if you just want something that heals

Because its healing is technically better

[split wyvern]

I have played BDK up until now not a fan

[chilly brook]

And far less punishing

Blood got over nerfed in BFA tbh

[split wyvern]

I like the aggressive play style of Prot and bear is a chill second

[chilly brook]

I'm an aggro tank so prot just feels good

[hard timber]

i liek push buttonz too

[chilly brook]

If I can I might snag a key when I get back home before raid so I can work on that tonight

[hard timber]

Back in TBC i had all my skills and weird flasks and pots and stuff shoved onto every action slow i could get in the vanilla UI

was hypercow

I tried to swim to Northrend when that was coming out

didn't know any better yet

[sick sentinel]

did a +5 SD today, i did alot of screw ups and lots of group deaths, but healer was on point

[hard timber]

oof I wish all these geared turbonerd DH tanks would get out of normal queues

I already feel awful in advance

@ionic fern The torghast link on the prot war guide is a duplicate raid link

[chilly brook]

watching some of these dh tanks I'm not jealous 😛

[sick sentinel]

In bfa i could play protec warrior good but now i‘m nearly dying everytime what am i doing wrong

[chilly brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba0aivwSsUY

dude getting slammed through his mitigation

on just a 13

[hard timber]

One of my friends suggested this is a hyper-anti-melee xpac so far

[chilly brook]

hard to know without your logs or VODs

[chilly brook]

I don't really agree with that at all tbh

[hard timber]

idk, I'm seeing a lot more mats being rolled out on the ground for naptime

[sick sentinel]

In bfa i didn‘t even need war shout, everytime i was >70% but now when i even cast every cd i‘m dying on trash mobs

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

In m+

[chilly brook]

Top groups are either double ranged with 1 melee or double melee with 1 ranged

[hard timber]

entire packs jumping everywhere, lots more cc

[chilly brook]

Still doesn't tell me anything that I can use to tell you what's going on

[hard timber]

all the colors of the rainbow on the ground

[sick sentinel]

What should i tell you i was 189 gs in m+ 5 dungeon

My shields were up

My talents are normal

Not only once

[hard timber]

Prolly should give them your logs or VODs

[chilly brook]

If you're getting clapped in 5s at 189 you're either fucking up or the group is

Define normal talents

[sick sentinel]

I‘m arms warrior so logs are trash for protec

[steel mauve]

ya, i feel fine in +6's (the highest ive had time to do) just fine at like 184 (im 188 now)

[chilly brook]

What talents are you using

[sick sentinel]

Man what am i doing wrong xD

[steel mauve]

i also still have a 155 shield atm

[sick sentinel]

First i thought maybe the healer is trash but in the 4th try it was always the same

[chilly brook]

What

Talents

Are

You

Using

[muted pendant]

Just went into a +10 DoS with two BM huntards, UH DK and Resto Dudu - I knew I would get slapped by the second pack in front of ZG because of the shitty kicks but that we wipe at Hakkar I didn’t anticipate 🤷🏻‍♂️ heal didn’t really had everyone up above 90% so sometimes dps just died due to grievous

[sick sentinel]

Should i Send pic?

[chilly brook]

sure

[sick sentinel]

Ok wait

[chilly brook]

Better yet

Does it look like this?

[sick sentinel]

No

[chilly brook]

Ok

1. go Stormbolt
2. Bounding Stride in all honesty is more useful in current M+ tuning
3. Impending Victory is trash, go Indom

[steel mauve]

those arent normal talents for m+

[solar condor]

indomitable is king

[sick sentinel]

Without i cant heal myself

[sweet summit]

Take bolster of you want a more defensive setup

[chilly brook]

4. Bolster is far better if you're having issues with survival

[sweet summit]

Ypure a warrior, not a dk

[steel mauve]

IV is trash honestly

[sweet summit]

You barely self heal

[chilly brook]

Not to mention

[steel mauve]

you're not supposed to heal yourself

[chilly brook]

You have Victory Rush baseline anyways

[sweet summit]

Indomitable is more healing overall

[steel mauve]

if you think like a dk then you're gonna have a bad time playing warrior

[narrow sparrow]

Indomitable heals you but you shouldn’t be worrying about healing yourself

[sick sentinel]

Ok thanks guys i‘m looking for these talents

[steel mauve]

this is from the m+ section of icyveins

bounding stride will most likely end up better the higher you go

easier to kite with which is a better game play higher up when you cant face tank any more

[chilly brook]

I'm going to take a wild stab but based on what you picked talent wise and the statement of thinking you need to heal yourself, you likely are making a lot of rotational and defensive mistakes as well. I would suggest reading through the IV guide thoroughly and if you can log some M+ runs.

[sick sentinel]

I know i sounded really like a noob but i played like this in bfa and it all went good

[steel mauve]

the biggest thing that needs to be learnt is that a prot warrior is not a reactive hps tank, your entire job is to prevent damage intake, not recover from it

[sick sentinel]

Thanks guys

[steel mauve]

do every thing you can to prevent damage being taken

[chilly brook]

Logging runs will give us a jumping off point where we can actually see what's going on and offer tailored advice to you.

[sick sentinel]

I‘m looking for it, thank you really much

[steel mauve]

and to be honest, thats not how you played a prot war in bfa either, but gear can over come a lot of negatives when playing incorrectly, weve never been a recovery tank

[languid heath]

Sup guys, on which bosses do you call lust in Necrotic Wake? In videos I see 2nd and 3rd a lot, but the last one seems almost tougher than the 3rd

[void moat]

I do first and 3rd in my runs. But this week i do it on trash

Trash is ROUGH in there

[chilly brook]

3rd boss for sure

last is free

and yea trash before 3rd is viable too

[languid heath]

Sweet, thanks a lot!

[void moat]

Ive had groups and seen groups lust just before the bridge

On that 4 caster pack

[chilly brook]

skip that pack tbh

[void moat]

Because the pride spawns there in some routes

Some people skip it all together yeah

I kinda like that about NW

A lot of different ways to take it

[languid heath]

I hate that pack 😄

[silver trout]

its awful

[void moat]

Its high risk but its worth A TON of percentage

If u can knock it over u xan skip almost the entire 3rd wing

[lofty widget]

kinda nice to play with prideful and anima orb

[languid heath]

The discarded anima helps though

[void moat]

It does

I think its fun trying to route NW. So many different ways to work on it

[languid heath]

Yeah I agree!

[void moat]

I think the strong point of the exoansion has been that there are ways to impliment the strengths of any comp really

And NW it shows

[languid heath]

Just learned today that the pack behind the 1st boss gives a nice bit of percentage, too

Tbh I hated tanking M+ in bfa because I only started in 8.3 so I was wayyyy behind in knowledge and got yelled at a lot. But now it’s a lot of fun because I know stuff

[solar condor]

Hi guys ! How is stat priority for prot ? ilvl > haste > mastery=vers=crit ? ive seen some stuff on guides, but on streams i see the contrarty lol

[cedar rose]

For raid tanking, are you guys going with highest ilvl or stacking haste/vers?

[steel mauve]

always highest ilvl

ilvl >>>haste >> vers>=crit > mastery

[cedar rose]

Okay thanks

[stoic patio]

thats for m+, right?

[solar condor]

isnt mastery a desired stat for blocking ?

[sand nimbus]

should i create the wall in shoulders or back?

[stoic patio]

what about raids?

[solar condor]

@sand nimbus shoulders ❤️

[sand nimbus]

ty

[steel mauve]

its pretty much the same, our stats are so close together that it almost doesnt matter, hence highest ilvl

[solar condor]

so stack ilvl and haste and rest whatever

[steel mauve]

vers/crit is just barely ahead of mastery if you want to get technical, but nit picking it you probably wont ever notice a difference

[stoic patio]

sitting at almost 30% haste food buffed, feels so good to play

[solar condor]

im rerolling from monk just to prove a point to a few friends : fuck tier lists

lmao

[stoic patio]

well, i just got declined on 5 keys

if you have a group, thats okay

[night wadi]

I've usually tried to lust at 50% on 3rd boss so you have enough for last boss before ice storm

Probably won't work for higher keys

[thorny stone]

necklace ilvl 200, with 123 haste,49 mastery, and prismatic socket or 213 with 47 crit and 147 mastery

[torn gulch]

i would take the first one any day of the week

[lavish oracle]

I can't say I've ever been like straight up declined from a 5

Put on the waitlist, mostly

[thorny stone]

im always confused with the ilvl > haste, i know haste is our best stat

[steel mauve]

more stats is better than any 1 stat

[thorny stone]

but in this case its just 6 secondary stats

[torn gulch]

the ilvl is more flexible on necks and rings

[steel mauve]

we are a quantity over quality spec, that and str/arm/stam is a lot as well

[torn gulch]

where there is no strenght

[steel mauve]

necks and rings you can have some lee way in

[torn gulch]

there is no big stam difference between 200 and 213

i would take the first one and put a haste socket in

and call it a day

[thorny stone]

the diff its 11 stam

[torn gulch]

what is that in actual health?

[steel mauve]

honest answer, you most likely wouldnt notice a difference in survival between the 2

[sweet summit]

take the neck with more haste

[torn gulch]

500hp

i have the same situation

i have a 197 neck on me and a 213 in bags

the 213 gives me 500hp more

but i lose 4% haste

and i value haste a lot more

[thorny stone]

went from 17% haste to 21% and reduced the shield block cd to 13secs

[muted pendant]

Any more tips for the ZG pack than just using all my CDs, kicking as much as possible (scribe and shadowcore) and run + pray?

[sweet summit]

its most likely bonestrike that nukes you (an insta cast shadowdamage nuke from the shadowguards or whatever)

best thing to do would be to run in with cds and grab aggro then kite xd

[muted pendant]

Too bad u can’t really slow them that much.

And when taking bounding stride the range of TC is not good for a slow anyways

[torn gulch]

i love that instead of being a proper tank i have to kite this xpac

really fullfills my fantasy as a tank

/s

[warm plinth]

😂

Stupid no global emojis 😦

[torn gulch]

i mean i understand kiting

needs to be there

but when you have to kite continuously like what we have to do now

and in some situations the trash can't be kited as well

it's very fullfiling gameplay

[muted pendant]

The DoS pack is also not really great for us to kite since it’s a lot of casters

[torn gulch]

yea like i said in some situations you can't even kite properly

[muted pendant]

Maybe they’ll do some tuning to that pack

Or make it a two pull

[warm plinth]

I honestly don't think kiting needs to be there.

[plain hill]

what about maintaining threat for the kiting situations? i have a DH friend who generates some srs threat

[warm plinth]

Not unless you're doing cutting edge keys should you be required to kite.

That's not how it is, obviously. But it's how it should be.

[muted pendant]

DH can generate threat without being in melee really

[sleek thorn]

Coordinated stuns and interrupts will help you live as much or better than kiting

[plain hill]

well, what about just maintaining AoE threat in general? my havoc friend pulls a lot of snap aggro even when i go in an rampage/tc/dragon roar

[fringe marten]

It's that pack in DoS and a few others are why you see some high level key runners using that heart of alar. You jump in with the intention to die, nuke the crap outta' the pack and run.

[plain hill]

other than running w/ a misdirect lul

[fringe marten]

Even though heart is on an 8 min cd, that pack is really the only one that's an issue like that; you're going to pop shield wall/everything on pull 1. and that pack is pull 2 =\ but you use your heart detonate to 'live' it..and then the rest of the dungeon is breezy.

I know the question about that was a while ago but, lol just saw it.

[sleek thorn]

If you long press on someone's comment you can reply directly to the question, keeps things from getting too confusing

[muted pendant]

that exactly is bad dungeon design right there where we as prot warrior have a huge disadvantage

I don’t wanna go in there knowing I’ll die, but that’s just how I have to do it on fortified 🤡

[novel field]

am i made out of tissues? i get destroyed by everything

[opaque marlin]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, kiting constantly on a tank with a shield isn't very fulfilling. If I liked that gameplay I would have picked a demon hunter monk or something. I hope they have some changes planned.

[amber herald]

hope they buff menace for kiting

[lavish oracle]

Which pack?

[fringe marten]

I mean...We use all the tools at our disposal, it is a useful tool

The large shadowpriest pack in front of the right boss door, it's the second pull if you go right after the first pull

I'm not saying you 'have' to do it, I'm saying it's a tool you can use on that pack if you choose to.

and it's quite useful because it's a lot of damage.

[lavish oracle]

Ah, k, was gonna say I did that pull twice yesterday in 11s and didn't die either time

[fringe marten]

I did too

then I did a 13 last night and thought 'ahh...AH HA...I see a use for that heart now"

[lavish oracle]

Haha

It's wild to me that people are timing 20s already

I feel like people were barely timing 22s by end of S1 BFA

I guess less surprising that it's Naowh and co.

[novel field]

i just did a 10 mists at 203 and i was getting spanked by every mob with shield block and ignore pain spam

halp

[lavish oracle]

Even the maze mobs?

[novel field]

yea

[lavish oracle]

Uhhhh

[novel field]

my vers isnt that high but im going for ilvl

[lavish oracle]

Doesn't have to be

Bramblethorn coat is kinda spooky damage wise if it goes off

But otherwise those packs should not be hitting hard

You can use stuns and such on the mobs that do the knockback to cancel the channel early too

(After the first tick so it doesn't recast)

[novel field]

for those id rather let it cast so im not getting hit tbh

[lavish oracle]

The mobs up to the first boss have a nasty debuff that needs to be dispelled or reflected

Really?

Without any other info, sounds like a healer issue

I have so much extra rage for revenge on those packs

[barren socket]

maze mobs feels like the only ones tanks can facetank higher keys

[novel field]

i guess 20% uptime on rejuv isnt the best

[muted pendant]

But then your group kicked the right casts and did enough damage 😎

[chilly brook]

Did a 12 or something and I could face tank almost the whole time in there

Likely things are going off that shouldn't be

[lavish oracle]

Only spooky mobs in there are the first few packs

Right as the debuffs go out

[chilly brook]

Was an ez 2 chest iirc

It might've been an 11

[open monolith]

how is decanter of anima charged winds?

just got it from SD

[chilly brook]

Supposed to be good damage

[muted pendant]

Is there any video of a prot warrior doing a timed +15 in DoS?

[chilly brook]

Naowh from beta

[tardy parcel]

Mists maze mobs are pretty easy to handle with a combo of shockwave and spear on higher keys, especially if the bucking starts going off.

[chilly brook]

not sure if there are any videos from live

you can always intimidating shout the bucking

[chilly brook]

Here's a 14 from Sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMqYwMVcUqQ

But that's pre launch

[crude heath]

fortified with the 30% increased damage hurts so bad this week

[worthy ingot]

commanded to blue parse hps tonight, will my torment never end. I just wanna pump

[fallow mortar]

I don't even know what a good parse number is XD

[crude heath]

not just me having to leap backwards all the time on M+ then 😄

[muted pendant]

Ty

[steel mauve]

parsing hps as a prot war?

[muted pendant]

That’s fortified AND bolster - my fuk. What ilvl did he have? I see 60k HP

[chilly brook]

They probably put ilvl scaling back in for that

[worthy ingot]

it's so hard to look at what a good prot hps parse is cause a lot of the high ones have people dying left and right so they are taking more damage le sigh

[chilly brook]

So no idea tbh

But with priest buff I'm at like 55k

[uneven mason]

add the shm heal buff

[chilly brook]

And that's at 202 equipped with a 184 chest and helmet

[steel mauve]

prot hps parses are pretty worthless metric to determine ability or correct play

[burnt cove]

i don’t think it’s worthless, since that implies IP isn’t necessarily correct play

[steel mauve]

external rhps would be a far better metric to compare, if i wanted better hps parses i would use less shield block and dump rage into IP more, that would boost my hps but actually make me take more damage and would be counter intuitive to actually playing a prot war

[burnt cove]

ya EHPS is best

EHPS req

[steel mauve]

we arent a healing tank, our entire main purpose is reducing damage intake, in which indirectly correlates to lowering our external rhps which both shield block and ip both assist in, trying to gauge a prot wars play or ability with looking at our hps is ignorant, it can be a decent metric to look at to see if there could be improvement in ip play, but looking at the parses for it is far less useful and most likely laziness at not wanting to actually analyze logs

[woven trellis]

hi everyone, im considering buying the wall for m+ and i still have my 5 Bfa cloak, is it a bad idea to craft it on back?

[torn gulch]

always shoulders for the wall

[woven trellis]

why

[torn gulch]

afaik

more stats?

always craft your leggo on the item which gives you more stats

[woven trellis]

not for me rn sinc ei have bfa cloak but good shoulders

[torn gulch]

when you craft a lego that you are gonna use a lot

you're not thinking of rank 1

you're thinking of rank 4

[woven trellis]

btw looks like m+ warrior are using loads of diff legendary

signet, the wall, thunderclap leggo

hard to make a decision

[torn gulch]

i have a rank 4 thunderlord

[steel mauve]

eventually youll get a cloak, but the cloak is the worst slot to put a lego on

[torn gulch]

and this wednesday i'll have a rank 1 wall

[steel mauve]

it has the lowest stat budget which means it has the lowest stats, and legos are a higher ilvl so they have more stats on them

[woven trellis]

what are u implying

[steel mauve]

always try to make them on either the highest stat budget slot, or a slot that wont have your bis piece if the stat budget is equal

[torn gulch]

that i will craft 2 legos

i'm not implying anything

[woven trellis]

ye but both are for M+ tanking

[torn gulch]

i am playing prot warrior with 2 legos

[steel mauve]

thunderlord or the wall are our 2 legos we should make

signet is crafted by dps warrior mains who are tanking m+

they are dps mains for raid, which is why they have signet, its not good for prot

[steady spruce]

I don't feel like starting with ardenweald zone is good for DoS, Sense route is kinda weird with prideful

But as it has been say the alternative feels kinda meh

What i do is first big pack, then skip zg pack and do the masket guy, come back to zg pack cause now everyone has've its CD, hard cc one caster, then go to mechagon entrance, kill the raptor pack to proc pride, then do zg wing with prideful before hakkar

But those zig zag feel weird

[lavish oracle]

I think Ardenweald first might actually be the best option but I'd need to try it

[trim bay]

if we are struggling for a trinket to drop are the PVP haste proc/on use any good?

[lavish oracle]

Gives you a lot of control of where prideful happens

Yeah, the PvP trinkets are pretty good

[candid igloo]

I just started getting good at tanking as a BrM and GM wants me to move to prot warrior due to Limit using one in raid. I know the tanking style is going to be quite different, any suggestions for the transition?

[daring salmon]

can anyone give me a DM or quick run down list of ui/addons to have as a prot warrior?

[tall mural]

I use weakauras + elvui

[golden pollen]

dbm

[tall mural]

details to look at my dps and see they aren't itnerrupting

[golden pollen]

ui is a personal thing, im content with bartender, some prefer elvui

u just need a addon that tells u do taunt swap/do gtfo shit like dbm/wa/bigwig

if u have issue keeping track of ur buff/debuff, u can use WA

most stuff are optional and personal pref

[open monolith]

has anyone used Decanter trinket from SD?

seems pretty bad on a dummy

[lavish oracle]

I used the 171 version for a while, was like 2% of my damage so not great

Higher ilvl might be worth using

Depends on how it scales, I guess

[burnt kelp]

should my mitigated % be around the 50-60% range? or am I doing something wrong

[wild bane]

What do you guys think the best cov for Prot warrior is

[undone jacinth]

kyrian

[wild bane]

ya that's also solid for DPS, guess I'm gonna switch lol

[undone jacinth]

I got a 220~ of it and it's awful

sims ok but barely ever does more than 1% of my dam

[tardy parcel]

Wondering if it's possibly bugged

[cinder pasture]

I've got a 200 and it did 2.85% of my damage on a single target raid fight earlier.

[sick sentinel]

is there aweakaura that lets u know when a DPS uses taunt

or addon

[open monolith]

no dps is using taunt, I promise

[lavish oracle]

I have a friend that occasionally will taunt and DBtS a stack of tenderize in necrotic wake

But like, they call it out

[sweet summit]

i wish i had a friend Sadge

[lavish oracle]

F

[sick sentinel]

then how is the bottom fragging ret taking aggro

[sweet summit]

oh ret

they just do

of damage

during wings

[sick sentinel]

they didnt wing

[sweet summit]

uhh

what dungeon?

[sick sentinel]

mists 4 lol

[sweet summit]

yeah ok i think he taunted

[lavish oracle]

If you have logs you can literally see if they taunted

[dawn imp]

is the wall any good for m+ or should i stick with thunder thighs?

[sweet summit]

both are solid, kinda just preference at this point

[dawn imp]

good to know, rather not make my healers job harder than it already is ^_^;;

[chilly brook]

@sweet summit kill me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gjd4kwQNX1rJyWZK/#fight=22&start=7454906&end=7491511&type=summary&source=2&view=events

For reference at the start of that timeline I was ~50% hp

[sweet summit]

what am i looking at

[chilly brook]

the amount of non healing coming in versus the damage intake

[river pasture]

The first two packs in de other side in a +11 is absolute cancer

Shadow damage

Endless amounts of shadow damage

[lavish oracle]

Kinda just gotta kite for your life

[barren socket]

anyone had problem with the amount of tank dmg hc council of blood do?

I feel stressed tanking them

[wicked lantern]

sooooooo, downloading the new dungeon tools off of github, anyone can help me out?

i downloaded the file and extracted it, copied/pasted into WoW addons folder buttt nothing

[wintry jetty]

have you deleted/moved the other mbt?

and remove "-main" from the folder name?

[wicked lantern]

lemme try, thanks

[wintry jetty]

what I haven't figured out though, is how to save the routes 🤔

[wicked lantern]

should it showup in the addon menu on the character screen?

[wintry jetty]

yes

only after you remove "-main"

[wicked lantern]

got it! thank you thank you

so you cant save routes with this tho, whatcha mean but cant save routes

[wintry jetty]

well I import routes

next day it's not there

probably getting saved in the wrong place

[wicked lantern]

ahh i see

[hollow blade]

as much as people say prot war sucks, it feels smooth AF compared to other tanks

I love it compared to my guardian or BM

[wintry jetty]

try it? maybe it'll be different for you and it can help me figure it out :P

[worthy ingot]

get told to parse on hps and stop focusing on dps, so I parse a 91 dps and 89 hps, hopefully they can stop obsessing over warrior hps now lol

[undone sun]

no one in their right mind would say to parse for hps

[worthy ingot]

I learned today that one of them thought SB had 100% uptime and that IP was a full absorb 🤦‍♂️

if only I could have that godly of a class

[undone jacinth]

top warr has done an 18 with 206 ilvl and darkee has 223 ilvl rn 😳

would be interesting to see him push

[hard timber]

There, now you've seen it.

[chilly brook]

👀

@hallow phoenix

[fallow mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-13048146

[fringe marten]

Nightfae are..pretty good for M+ too.

Why does manbaby tools not show the enemy abilities?

is there a per map update I need to drop on it?

[hallow phoenix]

[fringe marten]

I see some updates for 'locales' how are those installed?

[chilly brook]

It has been done

[fringe marten]

Did you go Nightfae ?

[chilly brook]

I did

[fringe marten]

O spicy. You really want to commit to M+ that much?

[open monolith]

not bad overall in a +11 for a pug

I am happy.

[fringe marten]

Not even that I blame you...we got our AOTC tonight and some of the nightfae guys got to be able to change into a dragon in their stupid nightfae blink. ?! Plus they can die and auto revive in the pod n' shit... like?! Why doesn't my Kyrian phial turn into a dragon?!

Any why does spear of bastion hit a little area, and the nightfae knockdown hits a 700 yard radius? (slight exaggeration)

[open monolith]

spear is bae

phial is bae

[fringe marten]

i agree..but that fae knockdown is spicy

[chilly brook]

AA is also more damage

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Honestly I've been underwhelmed with Phial

I've also been enjoying keys more than raid

[undone jacinth]

hey sock nerfs group was compkaining in a 19 spires yesterday about the chain casting Goliath xd

[civic torrent]

!stats

[open monolith]

nerfs group?

what's a nerfs

[warm plinth]

Nerfclap I imagine

[rough egret]

thunderlord on hands?

because good feets from early boss?

i must say that i enjoy warr tanking more than bear 🙂

[cinder nova]

Bear is so boring.

A coma patient could do it.

[rough egret]

and for the legendary? hands and boots are same armor and stats so it doesnt matter right? 🙂

[chilly brook]

Either is fine most people go for boots for TL though because itemization

[woven trellis]

what do u think of heavy repercussions

[muted pendant]

TL or Wall?

[jagged pier]

its okay not as good as AM or bolster, but if you get very lucky SS procs could be really good

[open monolith]

TL

[rough egret]

ty 🙂

[muted pendant]

I notice a big difference in damage when I play TL over Wall

[warm blaze]

what kinda diff

[jagged pier]

not big

depends on dungeon

for instance i run the wall

i did 3.4k in mists 10 yesterday

and 3.2k in halls 11 this morning

[hard timber]

isn't the pod more of a problem than not for us?

[jagged pier]

the what?

[chilly brook]

NF pod

This

And basically yes it's not great for a tank

[ionic fern]

Not great is a understatement in terms of m+. It's horrible.

[undone sun]

👏 https://i.imgur.com/eUUiLOc.png

[chilly brook]

This is pog tho

[undone sun]

niya pumps

smh no :niya: here

[chilly brook]

facts

[chilly brook]

Looking forward to using ancient aftershock in keys

[ionic fern]

👍

[hallow phoenix]

Ancient aftershock plus the last stand conduit oh baby

[hard timber]

Niya is voiced by Cherami Leigh so she's also the Weeb's Choice Award winner

[dense umbra]

Morning - for necrotic wake - Any tips for taking down the mini caster boss that’s shortly after first boss? Even with prideful and SW / CDs tend to die / wipe

[hard timber]

I am still struggling with which way I'm going there tbh, leveling and dungeoning as Fury both "good" warrior covs felt very clunky compared to rev with an ability that literally drops into my rotation in-place and a movement skill that is underwhelming but ignorable as a warrior

[ionic fern]

Before the bridge?

Skip him

[dense umbra]

Ah okay. Does that require CC or you can just run past?

[hallow phoenix]

You either skip or use prideful+orb+hammer and maybe a spear

[chilly brook]

@hallow phoenix so Nightfae armor, theres that white and purple coloration that looks sick AF any idea what achievement its from?

[ionic fern]

Shroud/Invis pot/Soothe (i'm not 100% sure about Soothe) on the right one

Left*

No

Right

lol

[dense umbra]

Thank you! Will try the +11 with that tactic

[hallow phoenix]

Uhhh I forget where the winter set is from

[chilly brook]

Its sick af

[hallow phoenix]

Thought it was from court of night rep

The weapons are from mushroom man

[hard timber]

Yes

[chilly brook]

RIP

[hard timber]

You mean this one right?

[chilly brook]

Windfury is like 200 extra dps and I dont get it

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah it's court rep

[chilly brook]

Well

I guess I'm crafting the anima conductor tomorrow

[hallow phoenix]

You can mind soothe the miniboss only (in the left) and walk around him

[chilly brook]

Alternatively you could have your hunter pull and interrupt the guy and skip that way

[hallow phoenix]

Don't bother with Queens conservatory until you can get it to rank 3. It does nothing until then

[chilly brook]

Is that the anima conductor?

[hallow phoenix]

No

[chilly brook]

Or is that the weekly thing

[hallow phoenix]

The weekly thing

[chilly brook]

Ah gotcha

Good to know

[hallow phoenix]

Focus on upgrading conductor and mushroom man

[chilly brook]

Wasn't in too much of a hurry to start gardening anyways

[hallow phoenix]

I would do mushroom man first before conductor since his rep takes longer

[chilly brook]

Gotta get covid tested tomorrow

In all honesty the weapons aren't my concern just want the armor but I'd also assume mushroom boi gives you the transport stuff yea?

[hallow phoenix]

Transport, a matching mount for the winter set, and a few other neat things

Plus he's a giant mushroom

[silk edge]

The court rep is easy to get fast, but it does cost 25k anima tho

For the armor set i mean

[chilly brook]

I guess I'll have something to grind anima for now

Honestly anima really isn't that bad to get

[hallow phoenix]

Plus soul shapes can cost anima

[chilly brook]

I want that dragon one

Cuz why not

Fuck me man

I never thought I'd be a winter queen simp when they announced this bs

Also ngl so happy I don't have to mouse over my spear cast anymore

[silk edge]

AA feels so good to use

And soul shape blinks get quickly addictive imo

👌🏻

[chilly brook]

Hmmm niya really seems nice

Double endurance for burrs

Which works better than double potency tbh

Imho anyways

[silk edge]

I wanna try out the last dude

But its not for soon

[chilly brook]

Like having 30 seconds off Shield Wall plus the rage gen conduit sounds pog while also getting nice damage from burrs

[hallow phoenix]

Make sure to talk to the soulshape person to train for the mage blink talent, if you want

Makes you port in the direction you're traveling instead of facing

Also for companions I find Niya, Tezan, Kota, Dreamweaver, and Meatball to be the strongest

[chilly escarp]

Tried nf much in high keys? The longer cd over spear turns me off but I hate kyrisn

[chilly brook]

The longer CD is less of an issue as the keys go higher anyways because packs last longer

And iirc Tusks does some decently high keys

[hallow phoenix]

I do 14s and 15s as NF

Would go higher but group is stuck at low ilvl

And yeah AA is up every other pack basically

[stray sierra]

what add on has replaced mdt?

[hallow phoenix]

Manbaby Dungeon Tools or any nonupdated version of mdt

[stray sierra]

is it actually called

manbaby dungeon tools

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[stray sierra]

LOL

[undone sun]

https://github.com/Tomslack/ManbabyDungeonTools

[chilly escarp]

Honestly the biggest barrier to pushi higher keys for my grp is we always have double melle and no broken as boomkins ect

[mighty valley]

When the torghast powers come together

[sharp crescent]

Oof

[deft vessel]

hm, weird, did something change with rankings on r.io?

I went on the site today, went from ~840ish region rank to 755 region rank

haven't updated or done anything since last night

[mighty valley]

other people did stuff and overtook you?

[deft vessel]

that's the thing

I went up in rank

[mighty valley]

oh i cannot read

[deft vessel]

so I'm a tad perplexed

not that it matters much but yeah

[mighty valley]

are you sure it was up to date last time you checked it? takes a while to recognize your last runs

[deft vessel]

yeah, pretty sure, last scan is from 12 hours ago (when I last did it myself last night before i went to bed)

maybe I'm misremembering, no clue

[ionic fern]

It doesn't always update the score with the scans.

[deft vessel]

I more meant specifically the rankings

this section

the region warrior tanks i was 848 I think it was, just saw it again before the refresh (from the saved page from last night)

[dense umbra]

My realm so dead I’m rank 10 😒

[deft vessel]

either way, really doesn't matter lol, I'm in no rank that's meaningful lol

I guess I'm one of the more pushy warriors on argent dawn

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ionic fern]

Oh, you're on AD also?:D

[deft vessel]

😄

[ionic fern]

I'm not sure what rank i was. 😦

[deft vessel]

here's like, top 15

[ionic fern]

Oh.

[dense umbra]

How do I find groups for keys 10 onwards ? PUGs do not want a warrior tank (my RIO is above max for 9+x9 (720) is there a discord , site , Reddit for forming groups ?

I can run my own keys sure...but NW 12 is repug

[deft vessel]

You make your own or you persist in LFG, I'm 768 and struggle in the same way lol

[ionic fern]

Pug's are definitely bad..but there are a few good people out there.

[dense umbra]

PUGS want VDH only , humph

[ionic fern]

Just add the solid ones

To your friendslist.

[deft vessel]

aye

[dense umbra]

I’ll persist. Yeah need to try to make friends and use comms

[ionic fern]

I've mostly pugged as well.

[deft vessel]

yeah, same

it definitely slows down beyond 10 though

[ionic fern]

Oh

YOu gonna overtake me soon Diruuop?

[deft vessel]

maybe? dunno lol

playing today some more

so we shall see

[ionic fern]

You only need 1005 score.

[deft vessel]

😛

soon™

argent dawn is best tho, such a chill fun server, I used to be on Kazzak in Legion

bleh

lol